Why do some think Vincent Tabak innocent?

[Myster]

Greg told them that the bottom lock was locked. That he had to open it to get into the flat with joannas keys inside.

This led them to suspect the landlord, because he was the only other one with a key. It's as simple as that why they arrested Chris jeffries for murder. They were sure they had it pinned down to one suspect from the start.

How do you know that GR said the lower lock (if it is indeed a lock and not just a spring-loaded mortise latch) actually secured the door?   His phone call merely described the flat as being locked.  Can you post a scan of his wit stat mentioning which lock or locks?

[Venturi Swirl]

How do you know that GR said the lower lock (if it is indeed a lock and not just a spring-loaded mortise latch) actually secured the door?   His phone call merely described the flat as being locked.  Can you post a scan of his wit stat mentioning which lock or locks?

I’ve already asked for this but nothing was forthcoming apart from the bizarre reasoning that “it’s obvious GR said that mortise was locked because the police arrested CJ as he was the only other person with a key” 

[Myster]

I’ve already asked for this but nothing was forthcoming apart from the bizarre reasoning that “it’s obvious GR said that mortise was locked because the police arrested CJ as he was the only other person with a key” 

We know almost certainly the upper one was a YALE surface-mounted night-latch or one of similar make, lockable from outside without using any key, but it would be helpful to clarify exactly what that lower mechanism was.  Unfortunately, no sharp close-up photos to be had online afaik, only the grainy ones below...

[Venturi Swirl]

We know almost certainly the upper one was a YALE surface-mounted night-latch or one of similar make, lockable from outside without using any key, but it would be helpful to clarify exactly what that lower mechanism was.  Unfortunately, no sharp close-up photos to be had online afaik, only the grainy ones below...

What difference does it make to Whiterose's argument?

[Myster]

What difference does it make to Whiterose's argument?

Which is what, that someone other than Tabak murdered JY?  None that I can see, his confession and DNA evidence trumped all, but just out of interest whether the lower device was a lockable or not.

[Venturi Swirl]

Which is what, that someone other than Tabak murdered JY?  None that I can see, his confession and DNA evidence trumped all, but just out of interest whether the lower device was a lockable or not.

Have you not been following this discussion for the last page or so?  Whiterose's powers of deduction are really rather unimpressive particularly as they rely heavily on his/her claim that GR stated in his statement that the door was locked at the bottom, despite being able to provide any evidence of this whatsoever, apart from "it's obvious!"  Well no, it's not obvious at all, in fact it's utterly idiotic not to mention an insult to everyone's intelligence and to GR himself, who is the bereaved boyfriend of the victim. 

[John]

Advocating on behalf of Vincent Tabak is futile in my view, he admitted his guilt and is serving his time.

Was he ever removed to Holland?

[Venturi Swirl]

Advocating on behalf of Vincent Tabak is futile in my view, he admitted his guilt and is serving his time.

Was he ever removed to Holland?

Apparently not https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10752399/Joanna-Yeates-killer-Vincent-Tabak-moved-lower-risk-prison-failed-transfer-Dutch-jail.html

[Whiterose]

What you are saying doesn't make sense. That they arrested the landlord for murder for absolutely no reason at all. That is completely illogical and very unlikely. The police were sure they had the right man because of the evidence they had. Greg reardon said the door was locked with a key. He even mentioned the door being locked in his 999 call which further proves my point. Claiming that he is referring to the yale lock is just giving him the benefit of the doubt whereas the fact that they arrested the landlord for murder shows that the door was locked at the bottom. They had evidence against the landlord which is why they arrested him.

Vincent tabak didn't get his transfer approved to Holland because the Dutch know he is innocent and will likely release him early. This is why they are keeping him in the country to prevent him from getting out of jail early.

[Venturi Swirl]

What you are saying doesn't make sense. That they arrested the landlord for murder for absolutely no reason at all. That is completely illogical and very unlikely. The police were sure they had the right man because of the evidence they had. Greg reardon said the door was locked with a key. He even mentioned the door being locked in his 999 call which further proves my point. Claiming that he is referring to the yale lock is just giving him the benefit of the doubt whereas the fact that they arrested the landlord for murder shows that the door was locked at the bottom. They had evidence against the landlord which is why they arrested him.

Vincent tabak didn't get his transfer approved to Holland because the Dutch know he is innocent and will likely release him early. This is why they are keeping him in the country to prevent him from getting out of jail early.

[Venturi Swirl]

I’ve used my brain.  Are you seriously suggesring that if Greg had told them that the door was locked, but only by the Yale lock and not the mortise lock that suspicion would never have fallen onto Chris Jeffries who had a key for both locks?  If not explain why not.

Answer this one Whiterose.

[Whiterose]

They would never have arrested Chris jeffries if the bottom lock was not deemed by the police to be locked. This is why they went after Chris jeffries.

What about that is so difficult for you to understand.

If it was just locked by the yale lock shutting they would never have arrested the landlord and would have went after other suspects.

[John]

Only Greg and the investigating officers know if the mortice lock was locked. Anything else is pure speculation.

A keyholder committing murder is hardly going to incriminate him or herself by locking a door after committing the crime knowing that the police would immediately suspect them. It's too preposterous for words imo.

Anyway, why are we still discussing this case? Tabak pled guilty so that's the end of it.

[Venturi Swirl]

They would never have arrested Chris jeffries if the bottom lock was not deemed by the police to be locked. This is why they went after Chris jeffries.

What about that is so difficult for you to understand.

If it was just locked by the yale lock shutting they would never have arrested the landlord and would have went after other suspects.

Explain why the police would not have arrested CJ who had a key to the apartment and  could have gained access whether or not the mortise was locked. You simply cannot can you? 

[Venturi Swirl]

Only Greg and the investigating officers know if the mortice lock was locked. Anything else is pure speculation.

A keyholder committing murder is hardly going to incriminate him or herself by locking a door after committing the crime knowing that the police would immediately suspect them. It's too preposterous for words imo.

Whiterose’s theory is completely without logic or evidence to support it.