KM's Paperback (PB)

[Mr Gray]

It begs the question if it isn't true why the McCanns didn't sing it from the roof tops?   It caused the GNR officers to go down the woke and wandered route since they were led to believe 5A was secured from within and it showed no signs of forced entry.

The mccanns reported an open window and an open patio door.  It would be normal to consider woke and wandered as a possibility .

[Mr Gray]

I agree to the extent that I personally don't go with 'the parents dun it' theory but they were involved in as much as they were responsible for the child and failed her.

That's a valid criticism...

[Holly Goodhead]

Just as he was in error when he claimed where he met Jez.  Simple basic errors which poses the question as to what other details were recalled incorrectly and more importantly, why?

I know exactly why he claimed to have used the locked front door but when it was established that the key to the door had been left in the apartment then a change of strategy was required.

And claiming when he carried out his circa 9 pm check that the children's bedroom door was open further than he left it which at the time he said he put down to MM getting up and returning to her bed.  Yet KM claims on the basis that MM had asked morning of 3rd May where were they were the previous evening when she and Sean were crying that they had decided as a couple they needed to be "absolutely prompt" with their checks.  When GM returned to the table having thought MM might have been up and about why didn't he mention to KM?  And if he did mention why wouldn't KM or GM check at circa 9.30 pm instead of allowing MO to check who had no idea about the 'normal' position of the bedroom door.  None of it makes sense imo.   

[G-Unit]

I know enough to know there is no such thing as a "spiritual insurance policy" as you have posted.

You, I would suggest know only how you view your faith. I know there's no such thing as a spiritual insurance policy, but another person's post and Kate McCann's behaviour suggest that some less committed Catholics turn to God in times of trouble. It's something that isn't restricted to Catholics either.

[Holly Goodhead]

The mccanns reported an open window and an open patio door.  It would be normal to consider woke and wandered as a possibility .

GM initially reported an open window only.  He was first to meet the GNR officers along with OC employee Silvia Batista who acted as a translator. 

[Mr Gray]

GM initially reported an open window only.  He was first to meet the GNR officers along with OC employee Silvia Batista who acted as a translator.

So the open window suggested third party involvement and woke, and wandered

[Erngath]

You, I would suggest know only how you view your faith. I know there's no such thing as a spiritual insurance policy, but another person's post and Kate McCann's behaviour suggest that some less committed Catholics turn to God in times of trouble. It's something that isn't restricted to Catholics either.

I do hope this " another person's post " is not a reference to my post.
If it is, then you have misunderstood my commitment to my Faith.

[ShiningInLuz]

You can speculate as much as you like... It simply cannot be shown wIth any degree of certainty that it was not a translation error

It can be shown to be accurate and is.

The speculation on this point is not Holly's.

[G-Unit]

The translator may be putting the blame on Gerry to avoid criticism of himself... Without transcript s in English we simply cannot be sure

Whatever excuses are offered the fact remains that;


"With all formal witness statements, the interview is read over and its contents explained. After having shown their agreement with their statements, the interviewee confirms and signs as accurate the content of the document that follows, conjointly with the "sworn" interpreter, where one is used. This is normal procedure in all formal interviews. In co-signing, the interpreter commits themself legally concerning the accuracy of their translation."

If the McCanns were not happy why didn't they complain instead of signing? Complaining four years after the event is too little too late imo.

[Mr Gray]

It can be shown to be accurate and is.

The speculation on this point is not Holly's.

that's your opinion and imo you are totally wrong

... Without the original to compare... Without asking Gerry it cannot be shown with certainty

[Mr Gray]

Whatever excuses are offered the fact remains that;


"With all formal witness statements, the interview is read over and its contents explained. After having shown their agreement with their statements, the interviewee confirms and signs as accurate the content of the document that follows, conjointly with the "sworn" interpreter, where one is used. This is normal procedure in all formal interviews. In co-signing, the interpreter commits themself legally concerning the accuracy of their translation."

If the McCanns were not happy why didn't they complain instead of signing? Complaining four years after the event is too little too late imo.

I'm not offering excuses.. Please, refrain from insults
I'm offering alternative valid reasons..
Kate corrected the translator at the time and was metbwith anger... The statements to CR were not given 4 years, after so your post makes no sense

[Holly Goodhead]

So the open window suggested third party involvement and woke, and wandered

No the window didn't suggest third party involvement since it showed no signs of being forced. 

[Mr Gray]

No the window didn't suggest third party involvement since it showed no signs of being forced.

I think that's rubbish... The window it seems could be opened without force

[ShiningInLuz]

Whatever excuses are offered the fact remains that;


"With all formal witness statements, the interview is read over and its contents explained. After having shown their agreement with their statements, the interviewee confirms and signs as accurate the content of the document that follows, conjointly with the "sworn" interpreter, where one is used. This is normal procedure in all formal interviews. In co-signing, the interpreter commits themself legally concerning the accuracy of their translation."

If the McCanns were not happy why didn't they complain instead of signing? Complaining four years after the event is too little too late imo.

As a matter of interest, have the alleged CRG statements ever surfaced?

Gerry made no mention of them in  his 10 May statement.

[Holly Goodhead]

I think that's rubbish... The window it seems could be opened without force

The fact you think something is rubbish doesn't make it factually rubbish.

We've been over this numerous times and the experts all agree the shutter and window could not be opened from outside without leaving some trace.