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Offline Mr Gray

Re: So what exactly is Wolters sure about?
« Reply #210 on: June 21, 2021, 09:49:02 AM »
The first investigation came to the conclusion the McCann's were guilty based on the dog evidence.   Amaral was sure the dogs alerted to cadaver,  he was also convinced that the DNA evidence was Madeleine's.

Operation Grange did a review of the case and found numerous leads,  that hadn't been pursued due to the fact Amaral was sure the McCann's were guilty.

As for not questioning the McCann's all that was done by the Portuguese Police.

I had to double check I hadnt written this post. What you have posted is so blatantly true and obvious Im shocked some posters cant or more likely wont see it

Offline Brietta

Re: So what exactly is Wolters sure about?
« Reply #211 on: June 21, 2021, 09:54:28 AM »
Or, in the case of Operation Grange, they have simply followed their remit without bothering to question it.

On the presumption that Colin Sutton is your source for the above post - please allow me to direct you to an article on a blog which has a negative and critical opinion of Kate and Gerry and their determined efforts to find out the facts regarding Madeleine's disappearance ~

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We recommend that our readers do what we did and Google Collin Sutton for the period between April 20 2017 to April 30 2017.

The period before the Daily Mail article above was published. The reader will be surprised.

Let’s start with him pointing a finger at an Ocean Club employee.

This was done in the article by Brianne Tojl for Daily Australia on April 23 2017, “Is there a secret witness to the disappearance of Madeleine McCann? Investigators believe employee at the Portugal resort may have evidence that could solve the case”:

“Scotland Yard police officer Colin Sutton revealed to Sunday Night evidence suggests a worker at the Ocean Club Resort could solve the case.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4437410/Madeleine-McCann-Portuguese-resort-employee-disappearance.html

There is an employee, somebody who worked within the Ocean Villa complex who has some information or some knowledge that may be of assistance,' he said.”  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4435038/amp/Did-Madeleine-McCann-wander-accident.html

Based on what is such a statement made?

Note he uses the word “evidence”.

How did he know of it and who told him?

If he got this from Operation Grange, is it a standard procedure for the Met to leak to its retired officers information of ongoing investigations?

Especially in an ongoing one that only has 4 officers dedicated to it and is highly sensitive politically to the point of reporting directly to Whitehall?

Hardly likely. And if that is not the case as all indicates it isn’t, who is he running errands for?

Please note (those who Googled like we did will have seen that) at this time he defended that the most likely scenario was the human trafficking gang.

He did this in the MailOnline article on Apr 22 2017 by Katie French “Did Madeleine McCann wander off and have an accident? Was she stolen to order? Or was it a burglary gone wrong? Detective lays out theories about her disappearance”:

“Colin Sutton said 'most likely' scenario was she was taken by human traffickers”

But behold, in that same article he also says this:

“He said those closest to Maddie, including her parents, would have been the first line of inquiry for police.

But he added he believed Portuguese police appeared make this their only line of investigation early on in the probe.

He said: 'By concentrating just on that scenario they may have missed tips or other lines that meant going down a completely different investigation route.'”

Yes, please read it again.

He is criticising the PJ for doing what he would a few days later criticise Operation Grange for not having done: focusing on the McCanns.

If one thinks the Mail misrepresented Sutton on this, this same thing was said in the original article from the Mirror and the mirrored one in the Sun.

In the Mirror:   
“I can understand why the Portuguese police asked questions about the McCanns and the Tapas Seven.

As uncomfortable as it is, the first place I would have started looking is their group.

Without any other information to go on, the most likely scenario when a three-year-old girl disappears into thin air is that someone close to her knows what happened.

However, the police do appear to have decided quite quickly that was the only line of investigation they were going to take.

By concentrating just on that scenario they may have missed tips or other lines that meant going down a completely different investigation route.”

And in the Sun:

“Sutton said those close to Maddie - her parents and their friends - would be his first port of call as a detective.

But he said Portuguese cops appeared make this their only line of investigation early on in the probe.

He said: "By concentrating just on that scenario they may have missed tips or other lines that meant going down a completely different investigation route."”

Note, this is a man, who we would learn a few days after, that before he was the beholder of the information given to him years before, that Operation Grange was supposedly biased against the McCanns and instead of praising the PJ for focusing on the couple, he criticises it.

Criticises the PJ for having done just what he would propose instead of going off on wild goose chases which anyone who has just glanced at the PJ Files knows that all pointed to the couple.

But let’s continue.

This same man, who is then supposedly the “exclusive” beholder of the information of this bias of looking away from the couple, which is something that to him rots away the honesty and objectivity of Operation Grange has this to say in the Daily Star article by Michael Havis on Apr 24 2017, ““MADELEINE McCann may have been kidnapped-to-order for a wealthy buyer, an ex-Scotland Yard detective claims.”:

“Colin Sutton, formerly of the Met Police, told the Mirror: "The Mauritania line is certainly a possibility and needs to be looked at.

"If someone wanted to get a three-year-old child into Africa it’s the obvious route. The infrastructure and contacts for people smuggling are clearly there."”

The man who would muster up the courage to denounce Operation Grange’s bias is helping it by promoting a theory that everyone knows to be ridiculous.

And, be prepared to be baffled, the man who, sorry to repeat ourselves, says Operation Grange is biased in favour of the McCanns, has this to say about what he thinks of the guilt the McCanns may have in the Daily Star article by Douglas Patient article of April 23 2017, “Madeleine McCann: Top detective reveals what he believes REALLY happened”:

“The ex-Metropolitan Police officer said there is no evidence the couple or their friends had anything to do with Madeleine’s disappearance.”

No evidence?

So, one has to conclude, he has read the files! Otherwise, how could he make such a statement?

And what does he believe “REALLY happened”, as stated in the headline? This:

“And nearly 10 years on, he fears the case will never be solved and the only hope may be a death-bed confession.

(…)

"But unless someone comes forward and tells us what really happened, then I’m afraid I don’t think we’ll ever know," he continued.

"It remains and may always remain the greatest mystery of our generation."”  Textusa

Note, all of the above refers to the period we mentioned, the last 10 days of last April. Just before he came in, opened the saloon doors to be the new hero in town.


"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: So what exactly is Wolters sure about?
« Reply #212 on: June 21, 2021, 09:55:21 AM »

How many children have been abducted by paedophiles in the UK or Portugal since 2007?

There's April Jones I can think of, I'll give you that for starters.

Anyone know of any more?
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Offline Lace

Re: So what exactly is Wolters sure about?
« Reply #213 on: June 21, 2021, 10:11:31 AM »
How many children have been abducted by paedophiles in the UK or Portugal since 2007?

There's April Jones I can think of, I'll give you that for starters.

Anyone know of any more?


https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11827479/child-snatch-gangs-kidnapping-kids-sell-sex-slaves-paedophiles/

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: So what exactly is Wolters sure about?
« Reply #214 on: June 21, 2021, 10:15:51 AM »

According to Missing Children Europe, 250,000 children vanish every year in the EU alone. That's a staggering one child disappearing every two minutes.

Of this criminal abductions make up just 0.4% of that number - equating to 1,000 children a year.

.............

Vanishingly small.

Hardly worth worrying about.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: So what exactly is Wolters sure about?
« Reply #215 on: June 21, 2021, 10:20:48 AM »

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On the presumption that Colin Sutton is your source for the above post - please allow me to direct you to an article on a blog which has a negative and critical opinion of Kate and Gerry and their determined efforts to find out the facts regarding Madeleine's disappearance ~


Colin Sutton merely confirmed my opinion about Operation Grange's remit, which I held long before he spoke out.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6036.msg230197;topicseen#msg230197
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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: So what exactly is Wolters sure about?
« Reply #216 on: June 21, 2021, 10:23:37 AM »
More children are killed or seriously injured every year in road traffic accidents than are abducted by paedophiles.

Statistically then, John's theory that a motorist ran over Maddie is more likely to have happened than abduction by a paedophile.
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Offline Lace

Re: So what exactly is Wolters sure about?
« Reply #217 on: June 21, 2021, 10:25:07 AM »
More children are killed or seriously injured every year in road traffic accidents than are abducted by paedophiles.

Statistically then, John's theory that a motorist ran over Maddie is more likely to have happened than abduction by a paedophile.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-488654/Why-Portugal-haven-paedophiles--disturbing-backcloth-Madeleine-case.html

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: So what exactly is Wolters sure about?
« Reply #218 on: June 21, 2021, 10:50:49 AM »

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-488654/Why-Portugal-haven-paedophiles--disturbing-backcloth-Madeleine-case.html

What on earth has child abuse in an orphanage got to do with Madeleine's disappearance?

Were workers at the orphanage known to break into holiday apartments & abduct kids?
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Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: So what exactly is Wolters sure about?
« Reply #219 on: June 21, 2021, 10:55:35 AM »
More children are killed or seriously injured every year in road traffic accidents than are abducted by paedophiles.

Statistically then, John's theory that a motorist ran over Maddie is more likely to have happened than abduction by a paedophile.
By your logic no child would ever be abducted by a paedophile then.
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: So what exactly is Wolters sure about?
« Reply #220 on: June 21, 2021, 11:03:44 AM »
No, because being a paedophile & looking at kid porn doesn't automatically make one a child abductor.

Most paedophiles abuse family, friends children or just drop their pants in the playground.

They don't all go around abducting children.

How many children did Jimmy & Gary Glitter abduct?
Imagine you're a paedophile without easy access to vulnerable children who has a deep seated desire to rape and torture a small child.  How are you going to do that without abducting one?  As far as I know JS used his fame and position to molest children that parents and authorities entrusted him with, and GG took advantage of child prostitutes.  Neither applies in the case of CB because as far as I know he was neither a trusted, well known member of the PdL community, nor to the best of my knowledge was there a ready supply of small children being pimped out by their parents in the area.
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: So what exactly is Wolters sure about?
« Reply #221 on: June 21, 2021, 11:08:59 AM »
Imagine you're a paedophile without easy access to vulnerable children who has a deep seated desire to rape and torture a small child.  How are you going to do that without abducting one?  As far as I know JS used his fame and position to molest children that parents and authorities entrusted him with, and GG took advantage of child prostitutes.  Neither applies in the case of CB because as far as I know he was neither a trusted, well known member of the PdL community, nor to the best of my knowledge was there a ready supply of small children being pimped out by their parents in the area.

Didn't he nonce his girlfriends kid? I thought I read that somewhere.

That's how, you get 'in' with a single mother, she leaves you to babysit while she nips out to score sniff & bobs your uncle.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: So what exactly is Wolters sure about?
« Reply #222 on: June 21, 2021, 11:14:00 AM »
Colin Sutton merely confirmed my opinion about Operation Grange's remit, which I held long before he spoke out.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6036.msg230197;topicseen#msg230197

As Wolters, SY and P D Carmo confirmed mine... And they are the ones with access to the investigation evidence

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: So what exactly is Wolters sure about?
« Reply #223 on: June 21, 2021, 11:54:48 AM »
Didn't he nonce his girlfriends kid? I thought I read that somewhere.

That's how, you get 'in' with a single mother, she leaves you to babysit while she nips out to score sniff & bobs your uncle.
less easy to get away with torturing and raping them to death though isn't it?
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: So what exactly is Wolters sure about?
« Reply #224 on: June 21, 2021, 12:31:31 PM »
less easy to get away with torturing and raping them to death though isn't it?

Crikey. Who said anything about raping anyone to death?

I was only musing over simple molestation & you've made the mental leap to death by sex.

Well, that's enough internet for me today.
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