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Offline faithlilly

Re: Luke's DNA
« Reply #30 on: February 11, 2022, 08:48:44 AM »
Decided to put the post into several smaller bullet points:

If there had been none and no further DNA of Mitchells present then there would have been no agreement, that is simple logic.

The agreement did take place, SL knows it took place, she gives reference to it from "source's"  It highlights one thing yet again, that of not attending Mitchells trial, or least no admittance/denial of this. There can be no denying that it pays to play dumb around vital evidence/information. When bias is the motive.

Logic and sense please. Really is one of those "No Shit Sherlock" moments. The agreement was NOT around forensics/DNA in general. It was specific to the presence of Mitchells DNA. As above, none and no more then simply no agreement, and that agreement took place.
  Is the exact same as, there was no incriminating DNA, upon Mitchell, his home or upon the victims clothing/body. Not that there was none present, simply that there was NO incriminating DNA. Nothing that could not be explained by way of innocent transfer, from their relationship, their time spent together that same day at school. From any previous encounter. = Circumstantial case.

These 'source's' that SL mentions - DF and the Crown? Who got to hear this agreement first hand? LM that is who. And there is, no, he simply did not hear, he may have picked it up wrong. Those daily briefs, the days proceedings explained in full, and no doubt endless questions from Mitchell himself.

SL states that she does NOT know the details of this agreement, yet applies that it was simply made around forensics/DNA in general? That information relating to it is missing from the defence papers? It is areas such as this that never fail to amaze me. In that people do not pick up what is blatantly obvious, there should be no ? placed upon the agreement with that pretence of not knowing why it was made? - You are being spun a yarn, are you not? For;

In this chain of events, between three people, there is dishonesty, hiding the truth. There is no way around this. We know from the way in which things are written, that discussion took place between Mitchell, his mother and SL, discussion of this agreement. She tells us this. She states that a 'source' informed them. If she is being honest, that she does not know the details of the agreement, then LM and his mother have not been honest with her, they have been hiding vital information. And if they have been hiding information, it is simply because they have something to hide. What exactly did they say to her? 'We know, a source told us, but we are keeping the reason for the agreement to ourselves?' - are people really that naive? Flip that over, if they were honest and told her the reason for the agreement, the details, then it is SL who is not being forthright, and showing how easily one can simply manipulate around the truth?

It however does bulk up the pages of the book, does it not, this waffle around irrelevant matters. It does not take pages to explain that the case was circumstantial. If one needs to go to extraordinary lengths to show people, rather than a simple definition, then does this tell us what type of mindset one is aiming at to convince - to pull the wool over? with blatant supposition?

And of course, last but by no means least. Why? What possible reason could there be for playing dumb around why the agreement was made? We know the presence of Mitchells DNA is irrelevant, the very reason why the evidence was circumstantial.  Two clear donors, only one to explain in full why the presence of his DNA was there, SK of course. And yawn and yes, it is still a long post. There was no stranger DNA, nothing left from some 'other' murderer.

There is no, LM managed to clean the scene completely of his whilst leaving DNA of others there - Going to stop there, the realms entered into with someone hiding the actual truth, really does work. This soaking it up, churning it round and spitting it back out with additives.  With this 'we will never know'

SL was unhappy with the report back from the SCCRC, asked of the testing carried out by them? That they did not carry out as much testing as hoped for? Well, one is not going to be re testing for the DNA of LM nor SK, are they? They did carry out further tests and there was still nothing pointing this murder elsewhere. Why would there be, the murderer is in jail.

But as always and by invitation, we are all free to 'make of it what we will' - No stranger DNA, no 'we will never know' - but above all, and it is highly relevant, is that massive conflict of interest. Three people together for at least 8 months prior to Mitchells arrest. If one has not been honest around multiple areas since his trial, does one really believe there was honesty before it, before his arrest? Just short of that time he was out celebrating the 'end of a difficult time'

LM was proven to be intelligent and a compulsive liar - There is no doubt in this. And yes we can apply many reasons. Just a lad, they all lie. Worried about being incriminated in some way. Fair enough, but this does not mean he was simply honest at any other time, does it. And as above. - this is not based upon honesty, it is based upon hiding the truth?

I have missed you Parky. Hope you’re feeling better.

Common sense approach…if the prosecution had had DNA that could have helped convict Mitchell they would not for one moment have entered into an agreement with the defence to exclude it.

The end.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Parky41

Re: Luke's DNA
« Reply #31 on: February 11, 2022, 11:47:20 AM »
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Common sense approach…if the prosecution had had DNA that could have helped convict Mitchell they would not for one moment have entered into an agreement with the defence to exclude it.

Just a little bit of 'dumb and dumber' going on once more, perfect deflection tactic however, and very much in line with ? The only real relevance, as is highlighted in the post, is it does not take pages of a book to explain the case was circumstantial. My post was not about having evidence that could have convicted LM, you are living in the pages of waffle of thee book.

The point and the real relevance is the deception going on between these three 'craws?'  That of why the agreement was made, does not quite have the same ring to it however, does it? Of an agreement was made to not include, non incriminating DNA of Mitchells, pointless time consuming exercise. When it is obvious that the reason for the agreement is being side lined to hide the fact, that there was not a scrap of forensic evidence pointing this murder to A another. Two donors, trace transferal, LM and SK. The discussion around SK's highlighting just how easily DNA can be present, from a bodily fluid substance that was not the murderer. And again, the presence of SK's DNA, which was shown without doubt, not to have been left at the time of the murder, from someone who was not the victims boyfriend. All just a tad contradictory would it not have been? To then attempt to show that the presence of LM's DNA, who was in an intimate relationship with the victim was left there from the murder? - Therefore, the ONLY DNA that needed explaining was from SK. That LM's was of absolutely no value to the Crowns case, thus circumstantial evidence only. No blood, no bumps, no scrapes found upon LM, his home and so forth. 

Yet, and not surprisingly of course, those claims without the slightest proof, that LM had been wearing the same clothes from school that day, taken from him in the early hours of July the 1st. His mother stating every detail of those clothes. The DNA of Mitchells present, and naturally so upon the victims clothing. Yet nothing of Jodi, on those clothes? That top she just loved so much, her favourite LM claimed. The impression given that it was manky and unwashed, falling off his back type thing? - Yet nothing, even after their intimate time together at school. Or perhaps we just simply do not get to know of those test results, perhaps there is a lot more to that agreement, of 'innocent DNA' -

So yes, the point is the deception, the point is punting out this 'nothing, nada' as fact, applying it to stranger DNA, just a little ironic to say the least. But above all you are being spun a yarn and you are spinning more of it. But some realism, applying that which is realistic would serve better, would it not? For this complete OTT nonsense, that 'half a Mars bar' situ, that typical liar syndrome of 'black is white' which serves to produce comments of late, such as "If the police had did their Job properly, then DF would not have been able to ask people if they had murdered Jodi!" - This is the main support, the blind. Who churn this nonsense up, spit it back out with all sorts of nonsense. Or "The Jury should be ashamed of themselves finding someone guilty with no evidence" - And you, yourself are prime in this, with this "wafer thin case"

Where they are actually answering their own query, highlighting just how much of a yarn they are being spun. That any defence asking someone if they had been the culprit is NOT because they believe they are, but more so, that it is because of the honesty, and the thoroughness of the investigation side (SL blinded to, to a degree), that one was able to put that question to anyone. Full disclosure, transparency, investigating these individuals to the max - to close those doors from the defence, leaving them with every single thing found, to do with SK, JF,  and GD. The police did not leave unanswered questions, and the Crown made sure there were none.

And enough with the contradictions? This 'no forensic tests were carried out unless to do with Mitchell' - What about that whopping big knife, boots and jacket, those gloves, condoms in caves and the list really is endless. This utter nonsense of 'no reportable results'  Well we have seen the honesty laid bare with the denial of reason for that agreement. We know without a shadow of a doubt, that the actual truth is being hidden in this ultimate bias. Each point contradicting the other. Cherry picking areas of those results to push out, to manipulate them into something completely false. As with everything of course, only sounds the part for those who typically fall under "none so blind as those who will not see" Who pick up the inference rather than the wording.

So yes, this, whopping great big knife with no results, well it was blood, that is a result. But it really does not matter does it, the size of this knife, the jacket and boots, for what it was not, was the victims blood, and no it was not inconclusive, it was the only thing they were testing for. Which animal?, goodness knows, and who cares, it was not the blood of Jodi Jones. From this 'person of interest'. It's dramatic, one will give you that, really grabs the attention of those, who soak this up, churn it round and spit it back out with additives. The author may bank upon the wider public who know little of this case, also knows of course that people are not mute, are they? This 'person of interest' with that whopping big knife, does have a tongue!

Offline Mr Apples

Re: Luke's DNA
« Reply #32 on: February 14, 2022, 09:26:21 PM »
Simple question: were JOF & GD tested for having incriminating DNA on them (Jodi’s blood, for example) and incriminating dna of theirs on Jodi?

Offline Nicholas

Re: Luke's DNA
« Reply #33 on: March 08, 2022, 11:42:50 PM »
Decided to put the post into several smaller bullet points:

If there had been none and no further DNA of Mitchells present then there would have been no agreement, that is simple logic.

The agreement did take place, SL knows it took place, she gives reference to it from "source's"  It highlights one thing yet again, that of not attending Mitchells trial,

Of course she didn’t attend his murder trial
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline Mr Apples

Re: Luke's DNA
« Reply #34 on: March 21, 2022, 12:11:17 PM »
Was it the case that forensics were able to ascertain that DNA traces (semen, I think it was) from Luke were found over Jodi’s arms, face and body? Weren’t they able to be more specific about these ‘traces’? Markers from the samples matched the markers in Luke’s profile? Weren’t they able to analyse the loci and alleles from these traces to ascertain who the probable contributor was? Or was it the case that, even if they were able to tell who the probable contributor was, it wasn’t incriminating enough since Luke was in an intimate relationship with the deceased? It would be interesting to see these results in full. Maybe the traces in the samples matched other persons of interest, too, or were unidentified or inconclusive? Sometimes the problem with forensics is that it throws up more questions than answers. Good job, then, that the Prosecution built a robust and compelling case against the accused.

Also, as I recall, SL mentions in IB that the lack of pooled blood under Jodi’s body and lack of blood smears adjacent her neck and chest area was very surprising. I wonder why this was? Any ideas?

Offline Chris_Halkides

Re: Luke's DNA
« Reply #35 on: April 29, 2022, 10:18:13 PM »
I am sorry that I have not been able to give this thread as much attention as it deserves.  Let me make a general comment for now and try to come back to it again later.  DNA evidence from which a fluid or tissue source has not been determined is has less probative value than DNA from which the source has been determined.  If a test for a body fluid was never run, the source should not be inferred.  Peter Gill's book is the best place to go for more information on that subject.  However, a forensic test for DNA is separate from a forensic test for blood, semen, or saliva.  Therefore, there is no automatic link between the source and the DNA, and there have been cases in which the source of the DNA was misidentified, for example the Adam Scott case.  As Peter Gill wrote, the connection between the DNA and the body fluid is not implicit.  To make this assumption is to fall into the "association fallacy."
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Offline Mr Apples

Re: Luke's DNA
« Reply #36 on: June 26, 2022, 11:25:58 PM »
I am sorry that I have not been able to give this thread as much attention as it deserves.  Let me make a general comment for now and try to come back to it again later.  DNA evidence from which a fluid or tissue source has not been determined is has less probative value than DNA from which the source has been determined.  If a test for a body fluid was never run, the source should not be inferred.  Peter Gill's book is the best place to go for more information on that subject.  However, a forensic test for DNA is separate from a forensic test for blood, semen, or saliva.  Therefore, there is no automatic link between the source and the DNA, and there have been cases in which the source of the DNA was misidentified, for example the Adam Scott case.  As Peter Gill wrote, the connection between the DNA and the body fluid is not implicit.  To make this assumption is to fall into the "association fallacy."

What was the source of the DNA from Luke Mitchell found on Jodi and at the crime scene? There were, allegedly, multiple partial profiles -- the markers of which matched some of the markers in LM's genetic profile -- found over Jodi's body. I've always presumed it was semen . . . was it?

Offline Chris_Halkides

Re: Luke's DNA
« Reply #37 on: July 01, 2022, 04:17:38 PM »
Let us assume that a sample had DNA from three individuals and the sample was not complete (some loci were missing).  Given the state of the art circa 2004, it is quite unlikely that a mixture with three partial profiles could be teased apart.  I put some comments into the early portion of this thread to make this point.  It is tempting to imagine lining up Mr. Mitchell's reference profile to the mixture to see if there were coinciding peaks.  Tempting, but this sort of "suspect centered" analysis is strongly discouraged in DNA profiling.*  I have seen no evidence that Mr. Mitchell's DNA was identified. 

"Ms Ure said a stain on a bra Jodi had been wearing showed DNA traces from more than two individuals - some of which matched parts of Luke Mitchell's genetic profile.  She said: 'We could tell there was some male DNA present but we couldn't tell whether one or both of the second individuals were males.'" What Susan Ure said about the DNA is essentially meaningless, as I have discussed upthread.  More than two means at least three.

There are presumptive and confirmatory tests for semen.  Only if these were both positive can one say that semen was present.  If multiple profiles were found in a semen sample, it would be easy to fall into the association fallacy regarding these profiles.  This is exactly what happened in the Adam Scott case.

https://www.deadlinenews.co.uk/2010/06/20/mitchells-mum-points-finger-at-another-man-for-jodi-killing/

I read a 2010 news article written by Cara Sulieman which said in part "She [Corrine Mitchell] wrote [on a discussion board]: “X’s semen and blood were on Jodi’s T-shirt…his description and clothing matched a witness statement of a male ‘following Jodi’…he was known to the police."  I cannot vouch for the accuracy of her statement, but to answer questions like these is why I have suggested that an independent review of the DNA evidence is sorely needed.
*an anonymous blogger analyzed the DNA in the Knox/Sollecito case in essentially this way.  "Maundy Gregory" found portions of Amanda Knox's profile in one sample, but he also found indications that Casey Anthony's DNA were there.  It was ultimately a good exercise in helping one to understand why suspect centered analysis is faulty.
EDT
IIRC a profile from Jodie Jones was found on a pair of Mr. Mitchell's trousers, but it was not the pair that he wore that day.  I doubt that there is much probative evidence in that profile.
« Last Edit: July 01, 2022, 04:46:39 PM by Chris_Halkides »

Offline Chris_Halkides

Re: Luke's DNA
« Reply #38 on: July 01, 2022, 04:50:07 PM »
One other thing.  One has to be careful regarding the use of terms such as "sperm fraction" with respect to DNA profiling.  There is a differential extraction technique, which attempts to separate DNA into two pools, sperm and non-sperm.  However, some DNA from sperm can end up in the non-sperm fraction and vice versa, depending on the age of the sample for one thing.  Therefore, differential extraction is not itself a test for sperm, nor should it be used to infer the source of the DNA.

Offline Parky41

Re: Luke's DNA
« Reply #39 on: July 11, 2022, 09:22:49 AM »
One other thing.  One has to be careful regarding the use of terms such as "sperm fraction" with respect to DNA profiling.  There is a differential extraction technique, which attempts to separate DNA into two pools, sperm and non-sperm.  However, some DNA from sperm can end up in the non-sperm fraction and vice versa, depending on the age of the sample for one thing.  Therefore, differential extraction is not itself a test for sperm, nor should it be used to infer the source of the DNA.

My only reason for mentioning DNA of LM's before was around the lies, nothing to do with reason as to why LM was convicted. So Chris, my question to you, the only actual relevant one in all of this deflection is;

What silver bullet is it you feel could be found by re-testing that will erase the evidence that convicted LM? This question has absolutely nothing to do with belief in what anyone may say. Just those simple facts which were:

The case against LM was circumstantial, at no point did the Crown attempt to place LM at the scene by the presence of his DNA, nor did the defence attempt to not place him at the scene by way of the non presence of his DNA. It was exactly "There was no forensic evidence linking LM directly to the murder" Nothing found upon him nor his home, no murder weapon or clothing worn retrieved.

We ignore here the playing dumb around the agreement, the reason for that agreement. We do not ignore the absolute fact that nothing was hidden from the defence, as in they did not try to bury any forensic reports. SK is testament to this along with so much more. We ignore what has been put forward by SL also. We only include that actual truth of what is known without a doubt.

The original testing carried out and reports around these. Access to these by the defence who deal with such matters day in and out. The application into the SCCRC and further expert reviewing and advising on re-testing which was carried out. Not interested in a series of IF's here, the only relevant If is, IF the person touting out this nonsense is being honest. That long line of blind faith, absolutely nothing showing bar ones bias in their non expert opinions.

So to the evidence, the case, that had absolutely nothing to do with forensic evidence where LM was concerned. What 'silver bullet' could lie within re-testing that will erase every bit of evidence that convicted LM?

I will put across my very non expert opinion first: We have to first and foremost apply the setting. It is a woodland, it is used by people inclusive of whom without any doubt have carried out intimate get togethers in it. (we are talking this long narrow strip of woodland, not the expanse of the whole Abbey woods (irrelevant to where the murder took place). We also have to include anyone known to Jodi that she/clothing would/could have come into contact with. We also have to include anyone she may have brushed past at any point whilst wearing some of that clothing. We also have to apply wild life here which could carry DNA from other areas and on the list goes.

Let us go with that giant knife and bloodied clothing here, for me it is the SCCRC we look to here, did not carry out any re-testing from this, and we use logic and apply the why? For they would of course have the truth before them, that the blood was not the victims, no monies wasted at the time or by the SCCRC to find out the type of animal or otherwise. Then we can go to some knife found in a dry stone dyke years after the murder and we again have to be sensible here on two accounts. That it may have been tested and SL has absolutely no right in the slightest to be told this, she is no one. Or that the actual killer would leave their murder weapon rusting away under some loose stones in a dyke. It would have been long gone.

So it really does leave us with the originals here - and that magic silver bullet that could erase in an instant the evidence that convicted LM?
« Last Edit: July 11, 2022, 09:26:43 AM by Parky41 »

Offline Chris_Halkides

Re: Luke's DNA
« Reply #40 on: July 19, 2022, 01:48:07 AM »
I think that the evidence that was used to convict Mr. Mitchell may well have failed to clear the bar of preponderance of the evidence (50.1%) and was not even within sight of BARD.  The reasons for this lie outside the subject of this thread.

Without seeing the agreement between the prosecution and defense concerning the DNA, I cannot say whether the agreement benefitted the prosecution or the defense more.  It would not surprise me if the prosecution got the better deal: not everyone has a high opinion of Donald Findlay.

I have read that Jodi fought hard for her life (and I don't have any evidence to the contrary).  What actual evidence is there for this, and what evidence might there be?  Some things to look for include (but are not limited to) blood from the killer and clumps of hair in the hand of the victim.  If one does not test each and every bloodstain for DNA, it would be very difficult to tell whether it came from the victim or the killer.

Consider for example, a case with very different forensic issues and techniques from the present one: the case of Patricia Stallings.  The toxicology reports indicated that her infant son had died by ethylene glycol poisoning.  It was only when competent analytical biochemists examined the work at the post-conviction stage that it became obvious how massively biased and incorrect it was and that Ryan died because of a rare genetic disorder.  There are many other examples of poor forensic work within and outside of DNA profiling that were uncovered only by careful sleuthing.  Perhaps nothing would be found in a review of the evidence in this case, but there is only one way to find out.
EDT
The independent review of the DNA evidence in the Knox/Sollecito case caused many people to reconsider what happened.
« Last Edit: July 19, 2022, 02:36:12 PM by Chris_Halkides »

Offline Parky41

Re: Luke's DNA
« Reply #41 on: July 21, 2022, 11:21:34 AM »
You misunderstand me Chris, not sure I have ever applied this pedestal to DF. My point was around Joe Blogs claiming to have still not matched samples to the correct reports. Absolutely nothing wrong with the order of the reports when every other person, with a much firmer grasp on such matters had them. Up until after the SCCRC? Where even after having their report back still made the same claim. That applying this along with blanking the actual one and only reason for that agreement = Massive room for manipulation, that was my point.

One is correct, they should be able to see the report before passing Judgement but does so anyway? With this 'in favour of the Crown. So It is not myself placing DF upon a pedestal it is yourself placing him as completely incompetent? It is 2022, some 18 yrs since DF took this somewhat troublesome case on and LM has still never had another QC attempting anything with his case, even after the hype of last year. Perhaps, just perhaps, it is because it was a difficult case to prove to be false, perhaps no one else is touching it for the front and deception being pushed out is just that. - Gaining support by way of deceit.

One can erase the case as there being no case, thus no silver bullet needed, but here we are anyway, it is exactly what is being aimed for. So let us apply exactly what this "fought for ones life" actually entailed, using the forensic evidence. But first we really need to wipe away that image of fight = putting up a good physical attack of defence, thus surely one must have something of their attacker upon them, that has been missed by "shoddy" testing in the first instance. Lazy testing to only fit the police narrative.

We can use one simple example here (not saying this is exact in any way). A person curls into a ball to ward off a ferocious attack, they sustain many injuries said to be of defence, of warding off the attack in the only way they could realistically do, they are in effect defence injuries from shielding themselves. Fighting for their lives by any means viable.

The evidence, and this is important on so many levels. There was absolutely no evidence of any attack, being accosted, any form of altercation, anywhere other than within a contained area in the bottom of that woodland strip. Off the beaten track, into no-mans land so to speak. Not a frequented area for people using to access anywhere else. NW and W of that V break. It started where a small amount of blood was found upon a branch, the forensic evidence increasing after the finding of another branch.

That nutter taking their victim by surprise, forcefully dealt a full on facial blow thus the blood on a branch. The fight for the victims life was to try and escape, no doubt crying out for help and that nutter stopped his victim with a fatal blow from behind. (Not instant but certainly fatal). And from this point the forensic evidence intensified. So tell me Chris, how does someone, without any doubt, weak and disorientated put up that massive fight? And as above, weakly and feebly trying, if able to protect themselves NOT physically, have any capability of fighting back.

This is where actual evidence is important but it is ignored on repeat. There was absolutely no evidence of the following:

i) Nothing of evidence of anyone being accosted on that path and forced over any wall, of any altercation directly on the other side of that wall. Everything contained NW to W of that V break. Ending some 43ft down from it.

ii) Nothing of evidence of anyone being accosted in any other area of that woodland strip and being forced down into that area off the beaten track. It started and stopped in the specific area.

iii) No evidence along with absolutely no viable reason as to why that girl would have, not only wandered into there (strip of woodland), but then into that area off the beaten track that led nowhere.

iv) The ludicrous notion therefore, that any opportunist would be lying in wait in an area, that held zero reality of any random young girl just wandering in to it.

v) We know this girl tried to run from that nutter, this would have happened at any point, on path, in that lane, in the top end E of that break, that is after placing one massive IF around why she would be there in the first instance.

vi) Senses and awareness. We know this girl had no phone, no security or back up. We can then apply her senses being on full alert, IF in isolated areas. So we can attempt to apply a blow happening out  of that area with no proof, no forensic evidence of then being dragged into that area off the beaten track. Nothing, it begun and ended where the masses of forensic evidence tell us it did.

Bleaching the scene? N, E and S, utter nonsense. That high tech equipment picking up the forensic evidence along with dogs following the evidence/scent of what was picked up. Picked up more in the woodlands on the other side of Newbattle Road. That nutter did not escape, N, S or E. Everything was contained to that area and W.

You are further correct Chris around the difficulties of finding DNA of an attacker with copious amounts of the victims. Very much the reason why LM's was of no value. There was none of his nor anyone else from testing of nails. (Not interested in the claims that wrong testing MAY have been carried out). Neither was there any blood found from an attacker anywhere else in that area, such as catching themselves and scratching themselves upon branches.

So nothing of LM from the victim attacking back and managing to scratch or grasp hair as you state. But we still do not ignore the presence of his DNA along with the further findings by the SCCRC. All blanked and washed over.


Offline Nicholas

Re: Luke's DNA
« Reply #42 on: July 21, 2022, 01:59:55 PM »

……., perhaps no one else is touching it for the front and deception being pushed out is just that. - Gaining support by way of deceit.

Sandra ‘diabolical’ Lean and her projections

 👇

Sandra Lean https://www.facebook.com/1011563515/posts/10224551052176405/
I was thinking about journalism today and, in particular, the role journalists play in wrongful convictions. I’ve met some fine journalists, who adhere faithfully to the National Union of Journalists’ Code of Conduct, who go above and beyond to expose injustice and wrongdoing in organisations and authorities.

But I also know of some not-so-fine, some not-fine-at-all and some downright diabolical journalists. (And yes, I chose the word diabolical quite deliberately.) Here are some of the codes of conduct required to be a journalist – and some examples of how the diabolicals openly flout (or, indeed, outright ignore) them.

In the interests of fairness, I am not naming these diabolicals – I am not even using initials and I would ask, for the moment, that anyone who thinks they recognise any individuals fitting this definition of diabolical, also does not use names or initials.

According to the NuJ Code of conduct, a journalist:

(a)  At all times upholds and defends the principle of media freedom, the right of freedom of expression and the right of the public to be informed.

Diabolicals twist this code to defend their own agenda – they uphold and defend freedom of expression when it supports them, but go out of their way to silence critics or even those who simply disagree with them – that includes mainstream journalists trawling social media for opportunities to silence detractors. They make their own decisions about what the public should be informed about ... and what they should not - especially if the latter would undermine the diabolical's narrative.

(b)  Strives to ensure that information disseminated is honestly conveyed, accurate and fair.

Diabolicals quite deliberately report inaccurate, misleading, unfair and outright dishonest information and tout it as “truth.”

(c)  Does her/his utmost to correct harmful inaccuracies.
 
Diabolicals defend their lies, half truths and inaccuracies, no matter how harmful, even when presented with factual evidence that their information is inaccurate (or worse).

(d) Differentiates between fact and opinion.

Diabolicals appear to be incapable of separating fact from opinion and often offer personal opinions as fact.

(e) Does nothing to intrude into anybody’s private life, grief or distress unless justified by overriding consideration of the public interest.

Diabolicals don’t care about grief, distress or privacy. They will use the grief and distress of devastated families, very often on both sides of the justice debate, simply to further their own aims.
 
(f) Produces no material likely to lead to hatred or discrimination on the grounds of a person’s age, gender, race, colour, creed, legal status, disability, marital status, or sexual orientation.

Diabolicals thrive on stirring up hatred and discrimination against their chosen subjects. They will quite deliberately connect pieces of unrelated information to smear chosen individuals.
 
(g) A journalist shall normally seek the consent of an appropriate adult when interviewing or photographing a child for a story about her/his welfare.

Diabolicals will exploit and manipulate photographs or interviews of minors, demonising and dehumanising children, simply to meet the diabolical’s own narrative. Concern for the wellbeing/welfare of children is entirely dependent on their own definition of "deserving" and "undeserving" child.

Next time you're reading (or watching) a media article, ask yourself - is this a journalist - or a diabolical?
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline Nicholas

Re: Luke's DNA
« Reply #43 on: July 21, 2022, 02:24:10 PM »
Sandra Lean https://www.facebook.com/1011563515/posts/10224551052176405/


Diabolicals thrive on stirring up hatred and discrimination against their chosen subjects. They will quite deliberately connect pieces of unrelated information to smear chosen individuals.
 

Like her (Sandra Lean’s) ‘pored/poured’ nonsense referred to here ➡️ http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=12082.msg652849#msg652849

She was wrong. The print copy had the correct spelling. - Ms Lean went on to say "glad to see that Jane Hamilton has corrected the spelling" - implying after she had pointed it out to her.

Whilst it may sound trivial picking Ms Lean up on this - but not as trivial and wrong of Ms Lean in the first instance to use it to mock Jane Hamilton. - And the relevant point of course being - that Ms Lean will not admit to wrong.
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline Nicholas

Re: Luke's DNA
« Reply #44 on: July 21, 2022, 02:34:28 PM »
perhaps no one else is touching it for the front and deception being pushed out is just that. - Gaining support by way of deceit.

Fraud = intentional deceit

I remain of the firm view charlatan and fraudster Sandra Lean deliberately attempts to conceal, mislead and misinterpret the details in this, and other cases
« Last Edit: July 21, 2022, 03:06:54 PM by Nicholas »
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation