Poll

Peer Reviewed Research suggests that Scent Dogs of all types have a maximunm combined accuracy of about 90%

I Understand and Accept this
3 (50%)
I believe Scent Dogs are more accurate than this
1 (16.7%)
I am not sure
1 (16.7%)
I don't believe Scent Dogs generally are that accurate
1 (16.7%)

Total Members Voted: 6

Voting closed: July 24, 2018, 11:14:43 AM

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Offline mercury

Re: Poll - Scent Dogs Accuracy
« Reply #315 on: August 01, 2015, 11:07:32 PM »
No I dont do cites any more cos my eyes will not allow the in depth reading needed.


But there have been mentions of it on here.  I fancy that Martin Grime stated that eddie was a search dog before.

Perhaps some one can remember?

Ok thanks, no worries, I too cant read the back of food packages with instructions, they are written for ants, even my magnifyng glass doesnt help, maybe someone else then

Offline Anna

Re: Poll - Scent Dogs Accuracy
« Reply #316 on: August 01, 2015, 11:26:32 PM »
I know about bad eyesight Awaiting an optician visit. I hope he is a magician.


Victim recovery dog.
Any good?

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/47march11/SKY_24_03_2011.htm
« Last Edit: August 01, 2015, 11:53:10 PM by Anna »
“You should not honour men more than truth.”
― Plato

Offline sadie

Re: Poll - Scent Dogs Accuracy
« Reply #317 on: August 02, 2015, 12:22:02 AM »
I know about bad eyesight Awaiting an optician visit. I hope he is a magician.


Victim recovery dog.
Any good?

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/47march11/SKY_24_03_2011.htm
Thank you Anna; dont know how you find things so quickly.   Hope your eyesight gets back to normal soon.
 
Although it doesn't absolutely cover what I said it does cast a worrying account of Eddies capabilities.  I though that they were better, within the limitations I outlined above.

I think this report will do very well.

With thanks to Gerry Mccanns blogs at Pamalam


Sniffer Dogs 'Can Hinder Police Work'
HOMEPAGE NEWS REPORTS INDEX NEWS MARCH 2011
 
 Original Source: SKY: 24 MARCH 2011
8:57am UK, Thursday March 24, 2011
Gerard Tubb, Sky News correspondent
 
 
 Police sniffer dogs used to find missing people and dead bodies "urgently" need better training and monitoring, according to an official report. 



Sniffer dog Eddie was relieved of his police duties

 The Government's National Policing Improvement Agency (NPIA) said specialist victim recovery dogs are not trained to approved standards, with no way of gauging their competence.

The NPIA reviewed the use of the specialist sniffer dogs two years ago, but its report has only now surfaced following a request by Sky News.

"There is no consistency in what the dogs can do and how it is done," the report states.

"Furthermore, there is no national standard for accrediting dogs and handlers or record keeping of the success rate they achieve."

The report added the dogs, which are trained to detect the smell of dead bodies, have "the potential to cause complications in an inquiry".

"There is an urgent need to have national policy on their training, accreditation and deployment," it concluded.


 

The review uses a kidnap investigation to highlight how dogs have tied up valuable police time.

The animals detected human remains in old furniture that had been bought from houses where the owner had died.

The use of victim recovery, or cadaver dogs, has proved to be controversial in a number of high-profile cases in recent years.

A South Yorkshire Police spaniel called Eddie was said to have sniffed out the "scent of death" at the Haut de la Garenne children's home in Jersey and the apartment from which Madeleine McCann disappeared in Portugal.

But in both cases nothing more was found and South Yorkshire Police say Eddie is no longer working with them.


Sniffer dogs hindered the police probe into Shannon Matthew's disappearance
 

Victim recovery dogs from four different police forces were used during searches for kidnapped schoolgirl Shannon Matthews in Dewsbury in West Yorkshire in 2008.

The dogs found evidence of dead bodies, but officers later discovered the corpses were nothing to do with her disappearance.

"The properties searched contained a high level of second-hand furniture bought from dwellings where someone had died," according to the NPIA report.

"This resulted in numerous indications that required further investigation to confirm whether they were connected to the investigation, or to previous owners of the furniture."

The Association of Chief Police Officers told Sky News it was consulting individual police forces and hoped to have national training standards for the dogs later this year.
 
 

Offline Anna

Re: Poll - Scent Dogs Accuracy
« Reply #318 on: August 02, 2015, 01:01:42 AM »
Thank you Anna; dont know how you find things so quickly.   Hope your eyesight gets back to normal soon.
 
Although it doesn't absolutely cover what I said it does cast a worrying account of Eddies capabilities.  I though that they were better, within the limitations I outlined above.

I think this report will do very well.

With thanks to Gerry Mccanns blogs at Pamalam


Sniffer Dogs 'Can Hinder Police Work'
HOMEPAGE NEWS REPORTS INDEX NEWS MARCH 2011
 
 Original Source: SKY: 24 MARCH 2011
8:57am UK, Thursday March 24, 2011
Gerard Tubb, Sky News correspondent
 
 
 Police sniffer dogs used to find missing people and dead bodies "urgently" need better training and monitoring, according to an official report. 



Sniffer dog Eddie was relieved of his police duties

 The Government's National Policing Improvement Agency (NPIA) said specialist victim recovery dogs are not trained to approved standards, with no way of gauging their competence.

The NPIA reviewed the use of the specialist sniffer dogs two years ago, but its report has only now surfaced following a request by Sky News.

"There is no consistency in what the dogs can do and how it is done," the report states.

"Furthermore, there is no national standard for accrediting dogs and handlers or record keeping of the success rate they achieve."

The report added the dogs, which are trained to detect the smell of dead bodies, have "the potential to cause complications in an inquiry".

"There is an urgent need to have national policy on their training, accreditation and deployment," it concluded.


 

The review uses a kidnap investigation to highlight how dogs have tied up valuable police time.

The animals detected human remains in old furniture that had been bought from houses where the owner had died.

The use of victim recovery, or cadaver dogs, has proved to be controversial in a number of high-profile cases in recent years.

A South Yorkshire Police spaniel called Eddie was said to have sniffed out the "scent of death" at the Haut de la Garenne children's home in Jersey and the apartment from which Madeleine McCann disappeared in Portugal.

But in both cases nothing more was found and South Yorkshire Police say Eddie is no longer working with them.


Sniffer dogs hindered the police probe into Shannon Matthew's disappearance
 

Victim recovery dogs from four different police forces were used during searches for kidnapped schoolgirl Shannon Matthews in Dewsbury in West Yorkshire in 2008.

The dogs found evidence of dead bodies, but officers later discovered the corpses were nothing to do with her disappearance.

"The properties searched contained a high level of second-hand furniture bought from dwellings where someone had died," according to the NPIA report.

"This resulted in numerous indications that required further investigation to confirm whether they were connected to the investigation, or to previous owners of the furniture."

The Association of Chief Police Officers told Sky News it was consulting individual police forces and hoped to have national training standards for the dogs later this year.

Sorry about that, Sadie.
 
He was a victim recovery dog who search for victims alive or dead, but he was Enhanced which was the “E” in EVRD, I believe that was because he had trained to detect cadavers and cadaver scent as well as blood.
 Hope that is understandable. If anyone knows this to be wrong please correct it.

Here he is described as a blood dog
………………………………...........
BLOOD DOG EDDIE DIED PEACEFULLY APPROX APRIL 2012 FROM THROAT CANCER

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/DEATHS.htm
“You should not honour men more than truth.”
― Plato

Offline sadie

Re: Poll - Scent Dogs Accuracy
« Reply #319 on: August 02, 2015, 01:14:17 AM »
Sorry about that, Sadie.
 
He was a victim recovery dog who search for victims alive or dead, but he was Enhanced which was the “E” in EVRD, I believe that was because he had trained to detect cadavers and cadaver scent as well as blood.
 Hope that is understandable. If anyone knows this to be wrong please correct it.

Here he is described as a blood dog
………………………………...........
BLOOD DOG EDDIE DIED PEACEFULLY APPROX APRIL 2012 FROM THROAT CANCER

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/DEATHS.htm

Thanks Anna, the "findit whizz kid".

Yep, those confirm that Eddie was double trained. 


And that means that he is likely to alert to living things as well as dead things

Offline mercury

Re: Poll - Scent Dogs Accuracy
« Reply #320 on: August 03, 2015, 11:58:21 PM »
I know about bad eyesight Awaiting an optician visit. I hope he is a magician.


Victim recovery dog.
Any good?

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/47march11/SKY_24_03_2011.htm

Thanks Anna. Sorry, I tend to forget about sticky threads. That "article"  detailing how a cadaver dog correctly alerted to cadaver odour but which confused police as it had nothng to do with the missing child doesnt really help vis a vis some stating that Eddie was a live person recovery dog or "wasnt a real cadaver dog". I would need something a little more specific to him than generic talk about sniffer dogs.

Offline Brietta

Re: Poll - Scent Dogs Accuracy
« Reply #321 on: August 04, 2015, 12:16:33 PM »
Thanks Anna. Sorry, I tend to forget about sticky threads. That "article"  detailing how a cadaver dog correctly alerted to cadaver odour but which confused police as it had nothng to do with the missing child doesnt really help vis a vis some stating that Eddie was a live person recovery dog or "wasnt a real cadaver dog". I would need something a little more specific to him than generic talk about sniffer dogs.


Eddie the sniffer dog - the animal that had supposedly found the 'scent of death' in the Portuguese flat where Madeleine McCann disappeared - no longer had a licence for UK police forensic work when Harper started using him in Jersey. Eddie, whose owner, Martin Grime, was paid £93,600 for less than five months' work, triggered the first excavations by barking at a spot where Harper's team then unearthed what was claimed to be part of a child's skull. In fact, as a Kew Gardens expert has now confirmed, it was a piece of coconut shell.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1217863/Bungled-Jersey-child-abuse-probe-branded-20million-shambles.html#ixzz3hqO80eyw
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Carew

Re: Poll - Scent Dogs Accuracy
« Reply #322 on: August 04, 2015, 04:46:38 PM »
How was it ascertained that it was actually a piece of coconut shell which prompted the alert or is this just implied and trotted out by those motivated to discredit the dog/handler ?

I mean.......he couldn`t see it!

Did the dog confirm the alert to it in isolation after it was unearthed?


Offline Anna

Re: Poll - Scent Dogs Accuracy
« Reply #323 on: August 04, 2015, 05:12:22 PM »
How was it ascertained that it was actually a piece of coconut shell which prompted the alert or is this just implied and trotted out by those motivated to discredit the dog/handler ?

I mean.......he couldn`t see it!

Did the dog confirm the alert to it in isolation after it was unearthed?

This thread might help, Carew.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3504.msg135034#msg135034
“You should not honour men more than truth.”
― Plato

Offline mercury

Re: Poll - Scent Dogs Accuracy
« Reply #324 on: August 04, 2015, 08:02:12 PM »

Eddie the sniffer dog - the animal that had supposedly found the 'scent of death' in the Portuguese flat where Madeleine McCann disappeared - no longer had a licence for UK police forensic work when Harper started using him in Jersey. Eddie, whose owner, Martin Grime, was paid £93,600 for less than five months' work, triggered the first excavations by barking at a spot where Harper's team then unearthed what was claimed to be part of a child's skull. In fact, as a Kew Gardens expert has now confirmed, it was a piece of coconut shell.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1217863/Bungled-Jersey-child-abuse-probe-branded-20million-shambles.html#ixzz3hqO80eyw

That "article" doesn't help either

As for the "coconut story", it certainly is not as simple as that! Have you not watched the video of Eddie at Jersey? And all the surrounding interviews?

Offline Brietta

Re: Poll - Scent Dogs Accuracy
« Reply #325 on: August 04, 2015, 08:34:20 PM »
That "article" doesn't help either

As for the "coconut story", it certainly is not as simple as that! Have you not watched the video of Eddie at Jersey? And all the surrounding interviews?

I have watched the video of Eddie in Jersey.
I have also read the following ...


Operation HAVEN

An independent disciplinary investigation by Wiltshire Police following the suspension of Chief Officer Graham POWER
of the States of Jersey Police on 12 November 2008
http://www.gov.je/SiteCollectionDocuments/Government%20and%20administration/R%20WiltshireOperationHavenRedacted%2020081112%20JN.pdf


I recommend it to you.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Carew

Re: Poll - Scent Dogs Accuracy
« Reply #326 on: August 04, 2015, 08:41:20 PM »
This thread might help, Carew.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3504.msg135034#msg135034

The thread doesn`t answer the question. The quote I responded to seemed to link the coconut with the alert when there is no proof that it was so.
« Last Edit: August 04, 2015, 08:43:56 PM by Carew »

Offline mercury

Re: Poll - Scent Dogs Accuracy
« Reply #327 on: August 04, 2015, 09:14:05 PM »
I have watched the video of Eddie in Jersey.
I have also read the following ...


Operation HAVEN

An independent disciplinary investigation by Wiltshire Police following the suspension of Chief Officer Graham POWER
of the States of Jersey Police on 12 November 2008
http://www.gov.je/SiteCollectionDocuments/Government%20and%20administration/R%20WiltshireOperationHavenRedacted%2020081112%20JN.pdf


I recommend it to you.

My mistake. I meant have you  watched Lenny Harper ex Jersey police chief! on video smashng the myths? It's a good listen, especially regarding the "coconut shell" from around 6 minutes onwards. Let me have your views on what he says. He was, after all, there himself, which IMO must trump any rag's "story". The devil is in the detail.

 8((()*/


I may get round to your link but I am not expecting anythng unexpected there.


« Last Edit: August 04, 2015, 09:17:06 PM by mercury »

Offline Anna

Re: Poll - Scent Dogs Accuracy
« Reply #328 on: August 04, 2015, 09:24:33 PM »
The thread doesn`t answer the question. The quote I responded to seemed to link the coconut with the alert when there is no proof that it was so.

Sorry, Carew,
I appear to have sent the wrong link to a topic that might be of interest to you.
Try this one....
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3566.msg135424#msg135424
“You should not honour men more than truth.”
― Plato

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