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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: What's Significant About LM Finding J J?
« Reply #15 on: April 14, 2021, 02:07:06 PM »
And it's a sheer coincidence that the dug walkers that discovered Jodi was the search party that was actively looking for her?

No coincidence.  The search party took the logical steps of looking for J J on the footpath they knew she had taken and find her located nearby.
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Paranoid Android

Re: What's Significant About LM Finding J J?
« Reply #16 on: April 14, 2021, 02:20:18 PM »
No coincidence.  The search party took the logical steps of looking for J J on the footpath they knew she had taken and find her located nearby.

So it's not entirely surprising or significant in this case that Jodi was found by dog walkers.

The dog-walking thing, in this case, is a bit of a misnomer, imo.

Significant, though, that LM was there at the head of the pack, and apparently threw himself on the body - so the question would be whether LM was in that position by accident or design?
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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: What's Significant About LM Finding J J?
« Reply #17 on: April 14, 2021, 03:56:58 PM »
So it's not entirely surprising or significant in this case that Jodi was found by dog walkers.

The dog-walking thing, in this case, is a bit of a misnomer, imo.

Significant, though, that LM was there at the head of the pack, and apparently threw himself on the body - so the question would be whether LM was in that position by accident or design?

Do you have a cite for LM throwing himself on the body?  If he did I'm surprised he wasn't covered in J J's blood?
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Bullseye

Re: What's Significant About LM Finding J J?
« Reply #18 on: April 14, 2021, 04:01:32 PM »
So it's not entirely surprising or significant in this case that Jodi was found by dog walkers.

The dog-walking thing, in this case, is a bit of a misnomer, imo.

Significant, though, that LM was there at the head of the pack, and apparently threw himself on the body - so the question would be whether LM was in that position by accident or design?

Was it not the granny that held Jodi, donít think Luke went that close

Offline Parky41

Re: What's Significant About LM Finding J J?
« Reply #19 on: April 14, 2021, 04:03:50 PM »
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The questioning of these witnesses by DF also included questioning over the changes in their statements. The newspaper reports verify this, if verification was needed.

Think perhaps clarity is needed is it not - It was LM who found? Jodi, not the dog. That is fact. The dog was not in the woodland.
This was not 'dog walkers' were dogs are roaming free or in the actual same terrain.
These four people were on a path, they were not in the woodland.
The woodland is cut off from the path by a dry stone dyke. Which is some 8-10ft in height for the most part?
LM, and only LM took the notion of looking into the woodland (twice), the first time at a spot where there was some stones missing on top?
The 'Gino' spot, so called due to graffiti? on the wall. Where there is a break, yet Ms Lean claims

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The wall is stone built, around 12‟‟ thick, and has no other breaks
'No Smoke'

This is in reference, granted to the search party not seeing through any other breaks, to see what LM was doing. Yet there is no mention of this first account of LM taking the notion to look into this woodland.

The search party had been on this path less than 10mins.
When they reached a part in the wall that had a V in it, LM sought to look, yet again into the woodland.
The contrast in statements was to where LM claimed he was - "not even 20yards past the V"
SK "The dogs head was level with this V"
Once LM had entered the woodland he turned immediately to his left. Witnessed by AW and JaJ.
AW remained at the V with the dog. She did not walk back to it?
SK and JaJ continued to walk - they had barely walked around '10ft' when LM shouted he had found something. "shouted back" They backtracked to the V. (ran) Yet LM was on the other side of this V?

"Careful examination of these statements, however, reveals that crucial aspects of them cannot possibly be true."

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Luke‟s version of events is that the search party had passed the V in the wall when his dog began pawing at the wall and sniffing the air. He went back to the V, because it was slightly easier to get over the wall at that point, then made his way to where the dog had reacted on the other side of the wall (i.e. he turned left.) Both Janine and Stephen said that they were "shouted back" by Luke. But back from where, exactly? By their own contention, Luke had gone straight to the V. This being "shouted back" suggests that, after Luke had gone over the wall, they had carried on down the path. If that is the case, then they were not at the V to see what Luke did when he got to the other side of the wall. Or, Luke was telling the truth


Of course it is simple and plain to see is it not? That all three (LM,SK and JaJ) continued to walk down this path at the same time once LM was in the woodland. That upon him commencing this walk to the left, they all, except AW continued down, SK and JaJ on the path, LM in the woods. That they had barely walked around 10ft when LM shouted he had found something. Upon them being "shouted back" LM was at the other side of the V yet again. He may have ran back too of course?

Therefore - what is clear from above and in those first witness statements is that "Luke's version of events" and "Luke telling the truth" were and had always been in contradiction to that of the other members of this search party. That none of them had gone passed this V break until 'after' LM entered the woodland
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Offline Nicholas

Re: What's Significant About LM Finding J J?
« Reply #20 on: April 14, 2021, 04:22:31 PM »
I find it much more significant that the witness statements changed.

Why??

Maybe after some time to reflect on the actual facts of what happened the 3 of them realised theyíd been manipulated and duped by sociopathic Luke Mitchell?
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Re: What's Significant About LM Finding J J?
« Reply #21 on: April 14, 2021, 05:33:03 PM »
Maybe after some time to reflect on the actual facts of what happened the 3 of them realised theyíd been manipulated and duped by sociopathic Luke Mitchell?

A 14 year old boy duping three adults? 

There were 17 months between the murder of Jodi and Luke's trial.  Memories become dim and play tricks--------or worse. Who knows?

I certainly don't believe Luke was able to manipulate three adult members of Jodi's family.

What evidence is there that Luke was a sociopath?

Online John

Re: What's Significant About LM Finding J J?
« Reply #22 on: April 14, 2021, 05:36:41 PM »
A 14 year old boy duping three adults? 

There were 17 months between the murder of Jodi and Luke's trial.  Memories become dim and play tricks--------or worse. Who knows?

I certainly don't believe Luke was able to manipulate three adult members of Jodi's family.

What evidence is there that Luke was a sociopath?

A small point but Luke was 15 when Jodi died.
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposť of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
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Re: What's Significant About LM Finding J J?
« Reply #23 on: April 14, 2021, 05:46:55 PM »
A small point but Luke was 15 when Jodi died.

Fair enough!!!

Doesn't make a lot of difference though-----IMO.

Offline faithlilly

Re: What's Significant About LM Finding J J?
« Reply #24 on: April 14, 2021, 07:38:41 PM »
A small point but Luke was 15 when Jodi died.

I believe Luke was born on the 24th of July 1988 therefore would have been 14 at the time of Jodiís murder.
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Offline Nicholas

Re: What's Significant About LM Finding J J?
« Reply #25 on: April 14, 2021, 08:22:35 PM »
A 14 year old boy duping three adults? 


What evidence is there Luke Mitchell grew out of his manipulative childhood behaviour?
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Offline Nicholas

Re: What's Significant About LM Finding J J?
« Reply #26 on: April 14, 2021, 08:33:02 PM »


I certainly don't believe Luke was able to manipulate three adult members of Jodi's family.


Why not?

I see no evidence of Mitchell being a placid individual but a wealth of evidence pointing to controlling behaviour
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Offline Nicholas

Re: What's Significant About LM Finding J J?
« Reply #27 on: April 14, 2021, 08:33:47 PM »

What evidence is there that Luke was a sociopath?

What evidence is there he wasnít/isnít?
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Offline faithlilly

Re: What's Significant About LM Finding J J?
« Reply #28 on: April 14, 2021, 08:38:23 PM »
What evidence is there he wasnít/isnít?

Are you a psychologist or psychiatrist?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 ďBut whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.Ē

Letís count the months, shall we?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: What's Significant About LM Finding J J?
« Reply #29 on: April 14, 2021, 09:09:41 PM »
What evidence is there he wasnít/isnít?

From a CoA doc:

The defence submitted a report by a consultant forensic clinical psychiatrist who concluded that the appellant was not suffering from mental disorder within the meaning of the Mental Health (Scotland) Act 1984. There was no evidence of severe emotional maladjustment or childhood abuse or of significant abnormality of mind at the time of the murder.
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?