Author Topic: Why do some think Vincent Tabak innocent?  (Read 27121 times)

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Offline Whiterose

Re: Why do some think Vincent Tabak innocent?
« Reply #165 on: March 17, 2023, 09:05:07 PM »
That man's got the 'means'.! He seems a bit 'odd'. Quick he's got a car and a funny hair cut, arrest him for murder! Is that what you genuinely think was going on with the police when they arrested Chris jeffries on suspicion of murder? And you have the audacity to call me irrational. Get real bro. Peace.

Offline Whiterose

Re: Why do some think Vincent Tabak innocent?
« Reply #166 on: March 17, 2023, 09:26:07 PM »
Or did they do what makes more sense, they arrested BECAUSE HE HAD A KEY.

And why did they arrest him because he had a key?

Because greg reardon told them THE BoTTOM LOCK WAS LOCKED.

It's a very simple explanation as to how they whittled it down to one suspect. An argument even a small school child could understand but you seem to have difficulty with it, proffering to believe they arrested the landlord because he had the 'means' ie a car and was a bit 'odd' .

Offline John

Re: Why do some think Vincent Tabak innocent?
« Reply #167 on: March 18, 2023, 07:05:25 PM »
This all sounds like the product of a fertile imagination.  Excuse me if I don't believe a word of it.  There isn't a scrap of evidence that anything you have written is true, meanwhile you're intent on pointing the finger at an innocent man based on nothing at all.  The forensic and circumstantial evidence against Tabak was overwhelming.  He confessed to the crime.  The end.

I have to admit it does appear an open and shut case. Tabak wouldn't have tried to get a manslaughter deal if he wasn't guilty. In my opinion he strangled Joanna in cold blood so he's in the right place now.
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposť of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline John

Re: Why do some think Vincent Tabak innocent?
« Reply #168 on: March 18, 2023, 07:12:19 PM »
That man's got the 'means'.! He seems a bit 'odd'. Quick he's got a car and a funny hair cut, arrest him for murder! Is that what you genuinely think was going on with the police when they arrested Chris jeffries on suspicion of murder? And you have the audacity to call me irrational. Get real bro. Peace.

Chris Jefferies was the perfect fall guy but the police soon realised however that Chris was an innocent bystander and had no involvement in Joanna's murder or the attempt to dispose of her remains.

Tabak admitted to the killing so that's the end of it.
« Last Edit: March 18, 2023, 07:17:13 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposť of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Why do some think Vincent Tabak innocent?
« Reply #169 on: March 18, 2023, 08:48:10 PM »
Chris Jefferies was the perfect fall guy but the police soon realised however that Chris was an innocent bystander and had no involvement in Joanna's murder or the attempt to dispose of her remains.

Tabak admitted to the killing so that's the end of it.
Chris Jeffries came under suspicion because he was perceived to be an oddball, similar to the reasons Murat or Whatsisface in the Rachel Nickell case became police suspects.  The police thought there was something odd about them and that made them suspicious despite there being no other evidence, which is not a good basis upon which to ruin peoplesí lives but thatís how it goes sometimes.
If a fox said it was a chicken, would you put it in a hen house?

Offline Whiterose

Re: Why do some think Vincent Tabak innocent?
« Reply #170 on: March 19, 2023, 05:02:17 AM »
Murat came under suspicion because he offered his services as a translator and was overly interested in helping out with the case. It was not because he was odd but overly interested. He drew suspicion because of that. Chris jeffries was not overly interested in the case or looking to get himself into the investigation in any way so the two aren't comparable.

It's laughable that you are buying into the false narrative that Chris jeffries came under suspicion because he was odd. So you mean to say the police discarded looking up the databases of violent offenders in favor of an old man who reads books because he was odd? That's total nonsense and I don't believe a word of it. Fantasy land with no police procedure. That's the line they're selling in the documentaries because the truth that the flat was locked with a key throws their whole fit up of tabak into disarray.

The police went after Chris jeffries because they ascertained from greg reardon the bottom part of the door was locked meaning the killer had a key to the apartment. So they went straight to the landlord and NOBODY ELSE.

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Why do some think Vincent Tabak innocent?
« Reply #171 on: March 19, 2023, 11:20:49 AM »
Colin Stagg, thatís the name I was looking for.  Suspected in the murder of Rachel Nickell because he was a bit of an oddball and even ended up being charged if I recall correctly.  Life ruined by police with no evidence against him.  And then there is the case of Barry George, and that Stephen Kiszko, arreseted, charged and found guilty of murder and spent years in prison for a crime he didnít commit mainly because he was a bit odd.
If a fox said it was a chicken, would you put it in a hen house?

Offline Whiterose

Re: Why do some think Vincent Tabak innocent?
« Reply #172 on: March 19, 2023, 02:59:40 PM »
With Colin stagg the police received a tip off through crimestoppers. That information led them to go after him.
Barry George had a history of crime including a history of impersonating a police officer. Stefano kiszko was mentally young in the head and confessed to the crime in the police station because he was told if he did so he could go home.

So in all those cases you mention there were other reasons why they became suspects not just because they were odd and they don't bare resemblance to christopher jeffries who didn't have a history of crime, nobody tipped of crimestoppers about him, and he wasn't mentally young in the head to admit to something he hadn't done.

They went after him cos the door was locked and he had a key


Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Why do some think Vincent Tabak innocent?
« Reply #173 on: March 19, 2023, 03:14:45 PM »
Chris Jefferies was the perfect fall guy but the police soon realised however that Chris was an innocent bystander and had no involvement in Joanna's murder or the attempt to dispose of her remains.

Tabak admitted to the killing so that's the end of it.
Of course there are literally thousands of examples of the police arresting individuals on the basis of little more than the fact that they were known to be in close proximity to the victim at the time, who are then subsequently released without charge when it's apparent there is no evidence against them.  In this case CJ's suffering was made immeasurably worse by the fact that on his arrest the media instantly published his name and details  and started digging for dirt on him and constructed this narrative of him being a bit peculiar.  It's similar to what happened to Murat - close proximity to the victim at the time of her disappearance and the belief by a journalist covering the case that he was a bit suss, fuelled by media stories portraying him as an oddball and putting 2 and 2 together to arrive at 5. 
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Offline Whiterose

Re: Why do some think Vincent Tabak innocent?
« Reply #174 on: March 19, 2023, 04:08:44 PM »
Mr murat was a arrested because they believed him to be trying to infiltrate the investigation when he offered his services as a translator. It was not mere proximity but he offered his services to the investigation as a translator.

Chris jeffries did no such thing to put himself square in the middle of the investigation.

He became square centre of the investigation because he had a key and greg reardon told the police the door was locked with a key.

That's why they went after the landlord. Simple process of elimination for the police.

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Why do some think Vincent Tabak innocent?
« Reply #175 on: March 19, 2023, 06:28:20 PM »
Mr murat was a arrested because they believed him to be trying to infiltrate the investigation when he offered his services as a translator. It was not mere proximity but he offered his services to the investigation as a translator.

Chris jeffries did no such thing to put himself square in the middle of the investigation.

He became square centre of the investigation because he had a key and greg reardon told the police the door was locked with a key.

That's why they went after the landlord. Simple process of elimination for the police.
since when has that been a crime?  He was not arrested, he was constituted an arguido or made an official suspect because one journalist thought he was a bit odd inserting himself into the process.  Thatís all.  It was his allegedly ODD BEHAVIOUR not any actual evidence that drew suspicion.  Yes CJ had keys and could have let himself into the apartment IRRESPECTIVE OF THE MORTISE BEING LOCKED.  Funny CJ never once in any interview mentioned the locked mortise as the reason he was arrested.  Funny this crucial plot twist was left out of the Tv dramatisation.  Thatís because you have invented it.  God knows why, itís quite bizarre.
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Offline Whiterose

Re: Why do some think Vincent Tabak innocent?
« Reply #176 on: March 19, 2023, 10:53:02 PM »
He was arrested because if something he did. He offered his services as a translator and it was thought because of this reason among him asking so many questions about the case that he was trying to get inside info for a nefarious purpose.

Chris jeffries never offered himself up to assistbinvestigators beyond what was necessary. He didn't step up for any role within the police like murat did.

You are saying Chris jeffries could have got into the flat irrespective if the bottom lock was locked but you are missing the point. The bottom lock being locked withbjoannas keys inside it meant that the perpetrator of the crime had to have had a key. This is what it showed to the police.

Of course it wasn't in any of the documentaries. They were made long after tabak had been fitted up for the crime and they are not going to release any information that points to his innocence.

Check greg resrsons 999 call. He clearly states the flat was locked. Their only suspect ended up being the only man with a key. How then did they whittle it down to one suspect? What piece of information are they leaving out? Use your brain.

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Why do some think Vincent Tabak innocent?
« Reply #177 on: March 19, 2023, 11:33:27 PM »
He was arrested because if something he did. He offered his services as a translator and it was thought because of this reason among him asking so many questions about the case that he was trying to get inside info for a nefarious purpose.

Chris jeffries never offered himself up to assistbinvestigators beyond what was necessary. He didn't step up for any role within the police like murat did.

You are saying Chris jeffries could have got into the flat irrespective if the bottom lock was locked but you are missing the point. The bottom lock being locked withbjoannas keys inside it meant that the perpetrator of the crime had to have had a key. This is what it showed to the police.

Of course it wasn't in any of the documentaries. They were made long after tabak had been fitted up for the crime and they are not going to release any information that points to his innocence.

Check greg resrsons 999 call. He clearly states the flat was locked. Their only suspect ended up being the only man with a key. How then did they whittle it down to one suspect? What piece of information are they leaving out? Use your brain.
Iíve used my brain.  Are you seriously suggesring that if Greg had told them that the door was locked, but only by the Yale lock and not the mortise lock that suspicion would never have fallen onto Chris Jeffries who had a key for both locks?  If not explain why not.
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Offline Whiterose

Re: Why do some think Vincent Tabak innocent?
« Reply #178 on: March 20, 2023, 12:38:08 AM »
Greg told them that the bottom lock was locked. That he had to open it to get into the flat with joannas keys inside.

This led them to suspect the landlord, because he was the only other one with a key. It's as simple as that why they arrested Chris jeffries for murder. They were sure they had it pinned down to one suspect from the start.

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Why do some think Vincent Tabak innocent?
« Reply #179 on: March 20, 2023, 07:23:36 AM »
You have no evidence whatsoever that Greg told them the bottom lock was locked, only that the door was locked, which it was - via the Yale.  You have not given any explanation for why the police would not have suspected CJ had the door only been locked by the Yale and not the mortise, so hopefully your next post on this thread will explain that.
« Last Edit: March 20, 2023, 05:01:36 PM by John »
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