Author Topic: Consider this scenario - Would a guilty person keep their case alive for many years?  (Read 59102 times)

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Alfie

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I would feel fairly confident if I knew there was no evidence the child had been harmed. If there was any it would have appeared by now.
is that before or after a fully open transparent and comprehensive review by the best police department in your own country?

Alfie

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I'm not watching a video, just kindly answer my question please.

Offline pathfinder73

I'm not watching a video, just kindly answer my question please.

You're not seeing truth so it's no wonder you can never find it.
« Last Edit: June 19, 2016, 02:00:46 AM by pathfinder73 »
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Alfie

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You're not seeing truth so it's no wonder you can never find it.
dInstead of being rude why don't you simply answer my question?  It only requires one word - yes or no.  Did this murderer petition the PM and / or the police to conduct a fully comprehensive review of all the evidence against him after the case against him had been shelved or not?

Offline Miss Taken Identity

Scenario:

Your child dies whilst you're on holiday and (for reasons best known to yourself) you claim he or she must have been abducted.

As a result, the case attracts the attention of the world's media but more importantly the police forces of both the country in which you were holidaying and from your own country. 

The police are suspicious, the media which was supportive in the early days has turned on you, printing all sorts of uncomfortable headlines heavily hinting that you have done something untoward with your child. 

Eventually you are made chief suspect in your child's disappearance and every aspect of your holiday, your relationship with your child and family and friends, your comings and goings etc is put under the microscope.  The police bust their guts trying to find some evidence that you hid your child's body.

Meanwhile most people in your home country and in the country in which you holidayed are convinced you're guilty of something.

Eventually, after months of investigation and trying to build a case against you, the police concede they lack any evidence against you, and you are no longer suspects.  The case is shelved indefinitely.  You sue the media for libel and settle out of court - a nice big juicy payment for your bank account.

Now, at this point you'd be forgiven for going to ground, issuing one final statement to the media along the lines of "we have come to terms with the fact that our daughter is gone, and just want to be left alone to grieve", then slink away into obscurity to spend all that lovely lolly you screwed out of the public and the papers. 

But no.  This is not what you do.

Instead you spend a small fortune on various private investigators, you write a book which gets serialised in the country's biggest circulation newspaper, you appear on TV chat shows, all allegedly to keep your child's profile high in the public consciousness even though you know what happened.

Then to cap it all, three whole years after the case was shelved you go to the highest man in your land,  the prime minister, by sending him a letter demanding:

"a joint INDEPENDENT, TRANSPARENT and COMPREHENSIVE review of ALL information held in relation to our child's disappearance".

You are granted your wish and the country's most esteemed police force is drafted in to sift through all the evidence all over again, at great cost to the public purse. 

You make yourself available for more TV appearances, BBC Crimewatch even, appealing for people to come forward who may have actually seen something.

The question I have to ask you is:

ARE YOU F@@KING MAD????

If not, what is your motivation for doing all of this?

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Your child dies whilst you're on holiday and (for reasons best known to yourself) you claim he or she must have been abducted.....let's look at reasons since this is only a scenario:

1. you lose your temper- smack the child harder than you thought and he/she falls/ dies-  you are worried that a post motrem reveals the child has been abused in some  other way (more bruising etc)you are in a foreign country and are afraid you will be arrested and thrown in jail.

2. you leave instructions to your child that if they wake up to come and get you a door will be left unlocked- you are worried that he/she did that and had an accident causing his/ her death- you are in a foreign country and are afraid you will be arrested and thrown in jail.

3  the child wakes up and goes to mums room find sweets ( adult medicine/or calpol) and dies. -
you are in a foreign country and are afraid you will be arrested and thrown in jail.

You stage an abduction to deflect attention and use child friendly terms to re assure everyone that it was not your fault by saying, some thing similar to: it was like sitting in the garden- it's a cultural thing every one in the UK does it- we could see the apartment from where we were sitting- we were constantly checking the children (not mentioning just listening at the door), ( also, not mentioning that this was your preferred choice of child care you chose before you even left the UK) claiming that it felt safe. You call the media to get your story in first and like most professionals who are accused of anything, they stay very quiet about the details of what happened
( because they can catch you out) and only answer questions with deflection- or when suspected don't answer at all. When this ploy works you roll with it.  You know the two police forces have no evidence, you know they will never find a body- job done. keep up the pretense until you are found out, you know you never will be found out so you are home laughing. Play the victim, bad mouth your accusers and those who suspect you.

"ARE YOU F@@KING MAD????

NO JUSTF@@@@KING CLEVER. THREW THEM OFF THE SCENT AND GOT FREEDOM AND A REALLY NICE LIFE THANKS

If not, what is your motivation for doing all of this?

Like seriously?  our reputation,our freedom,  loosing our other children, careers, house, EVERYTHING! did I miss anything re the motivation?



oh yes regarding wanting ALL the information on them regarding this matter- they didn't get it it all- did they? and why did they need it?  to check if they missed anything perhaps.
« Last Edit: June 19, 2016, 01:49:19 PM by John »
'Never underestimate the power of stupid people'... George Carlin

Offline Mr Gray



Your child dies whilst you're on holiday and (for reasons best known to yourself) you claim he or she must have been abducted.....let's look at reasons since this is only a scenario:

1. you lose your temper- smack the child harder than you thought and he/she falls/ dies-  you are worried that a post motrem reveals the child has been abused in some  other way (more bruising etc)you are in a foreign country and are afraid you will be arrested and thrown in jail.

2. you leave instructions to your child that if they wake up to come and get you a door will be left unlocked- you are worried that he/she did that and had an accident causing his/ her death- you are in a foreign country and are afraid you will be arrested and thrown in jail.

3  the child wakes up and goes to mums room find sweets ( adult medicine/or calpol) and dies. -
you are in a foreign country and are afraid you will be arrested and thrown in jail.

You stage an abduction to deflect attention and use child friendly terms to re assure everyone that it was not your fault by saying, some thing similar to: it was like sitting in the garden- it's a cultural thing every one in the UK does it- we could see the apartment from where we were sitting- we were constantly checking the children (not mentioning just listening at the door), ( also, not mentioning that this was your preferred choice of child care you chose before you even left the UK) claiming that it felt safe. You call the media to get your story in first and like most professionals who are accused of anything, they stay very quiet about the details of what happened
( because they can catch you out) and only answer questions with deflection- or when suspected don't answer at all. When this ploy works you roll with it.  You know the two police forces have no evidence, you know they will never find a body- job done. keep up the pretense until you are found out, you know you never will be found out so you are home laughing. Play the victim, bad mouth your accusers and those who suspect you.

"ARE YOU F@@KING MAD????

NO JUSTF@@@@KING CLEVER. THREW THEM OFF THE SCENT AND GOT FREEDOM AND A REALLY NICE LIFE THANKS

If not, what is your motivation for doing all of this?

Like seriously?  our reputation,our freedom,  loosing our twins, careers, house, EVERYTHING! did I miss anything re the motivation?



oh yes regarding wanting ALL the information on them regarding this matter- they didn't get it it all- did they? and why did they need it?  to check if they missed anything perhaps.

#and why ...when you have got away with it do you petition for the case to be re opened

Alfie

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*You* had already gotten away with the crime.  The case had been shelved for years, and yet *you* continue to draw attention to it and even go so far as demanding a joint review of all the evidence by the best police forces in Britain and Portugal. 

Explain.
« Last Edit: June 21, 2016, 03:25:28 PM by John »

Offline John

*You* had already gotten away with the crime.  The case had been shelved for years, and yet *you* continue to draw attention to it and even go so far as demanding a joint review of all the evidence by the best police forces in Britain and Portugal. 

Explain.

The thing is though Alf, getting away with it, whatever that might be, and having ones name cleared are two entirely different things.
« Last Edit: June 21, 2016, 03:25:45 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Alfie

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The thing is though Alf, getting away with it, whatever that might be, and having ones name cleared are two entirely different things.
This discussion is becoming circular.

When the case was shelved the papers in *your* country routinely described *you* and the other suspect who was being investigated as having been "cleared".  Of course a few sceptics would dispute the use of this term to describe *your* status, but certanly in the eyes of the average Joe on the streets cleared is what *you* have been.

To ths end, and knowing that *you* are guilty and that there cannot possibly be any evidence that points to anyone else as *you* dunnit, then how does pushing for a review of *your* crimes mean that *you* are ever likely to be even more cleared than *you* alrady have been?

It makes absolutely no sense.
« Last Edit: June 19, 2016, 03:38:39 PM by Alfie »

Offline pathfinder73

This discussion is becoming circular.

When the case was shelved the papers in *your* country routinely described *you* and the other suspect who was being investigated as having been "cleared".  Of course a few sceptics would dispute the use of this term to describe *your* status, but certanly in the eyes of the average Joe on the streets cleared is what *you* have been.

To ths end, and knowing that *you* are guilty and that there cannot possibly be any evidence that points to anyone else as *you* dunnit, then how does pushing for a review of *your* crimes mean that *you* are ever likely to be even more cleared than *you* alrady have been?

It makes absolutely no sense.

How can you be cleared when the truth is unknown? I've given you an example of it happening which you wouldn't watch. You need to open your mind. The bigger the lie the more it's believed.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Alfie

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How can you be cleared when the truth is unknown? I've given you an example of it happening which you wouldn't watch. You need to open your mind. The bigger the lie the more it's believed.
How can *you* hope to be cleared by a complete review of all the evidence when there is no evidence that anyone else is involved?  How does calling for a review clear you, exactly?  That is what is being suggested as the motive for calling for a review, but how in reality would this achieve *your* aim?

Offline Miss Taken Identity

*You* had already gotten away with the crime.  The case had been shelved for years, and yet *you* continue to draw attention to it and even go so far as demanding a joint review of all the evidence by the best police forces in Britain and Portugal. 

Explain.

Explaining: Suppose the  'parent's having got  away with- it found out that a person close to the case investigation wrote a book to offer a different story given by those parents- raising suspicion again, to enable them to get that person out of the way they try and destroy them- going to court perhaps?. The parents having invented themselves as victims...
« Last Edit: June 21, 2016, 03:28:34 PM by John »
'Never underestimate the power of stupid people'... George Carlin

Alfie

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There are two ways of being "properly" cleared.

1) *You* are charged based on the existing evidence, go to court and are found not guilty.
2) Evidence is found to charge someone else, they go to court and are found guilty of crimes *you* committed.

Is one of the above the reason why *you* (the person in my scenario) asked for a full and independent police review of all the evidence? 

Seriously?? 

In the first scenario *you* are risking everything, and putting *yourself* through the possible hell of incarceration pending trial, the suspicion of guilt and everything else on the gamble that the court will find *you* not guilty??

In the second scenario, unless *you* are able to plant convincing false evidence on someone else, there is very little likelihood of *your* crimes being successfully attributed to someone else and them taking the rap for *your* crimes.

So  I'm still looking for a convincing motive for why *you*, as the guilty party are insisting on a full and independent review of *your own* crimes.

Anyone?

Offline Miss Taken Identity

 £4%4%

Motivation: 

....  our reputation,our freedom,  loosing our children, careers, house, EVERYTHING! did I miss anything re the motivation?              Think I covered that one Alfie

KNowing that there will be no evidence to be charged or the child being found dead or alive, you sit back and sigh and create a new life.... BUT the suspicion is brought up... you need to keep playing that game of... go on prove it was us..to show how 'innnocent' you are you also blame others for your child going missing- and point fingers at a great many people to deflect suspicion. Keep up the pretence and play victim card all the time until it goes away...

YEAHHHHHHHHHHHH I answered it...
« Last Edit: June 19, 2016, 05:53:43 PM by Brietta »
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Offline sadie

Alfie is right.

Why would parents who were guilty of anything , keep drawing the attention of the Police to them?