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Offline Fact Checker

Re: The murder of Samuel Alexander - Serious Case Review.
« Reply #120 on: January 16, 2019, 02:46:46 PM »
A handful of dirt works well.

Aren't you just attributing criminal knowledge and behaviour to someone who had no previous criminal experience? Do you really think a motorist would get away with this in the heart of the City? And risk getting stopped and questionned by the Met? That's a big risk to take for someone who's trying to avoid attracting attention. Where does all this supposition come from John? Hard facts please, and let's try to cut through our preconceived notions that Mark is 'the guy', because it's clouding your judgement.
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Re: The murder of Samuel Alexander - Serious Case Review.
« Reply #121 on: January 16, 2019, 03:02:38 PM »
The intention would be to not ping the cell towers between London and Drayton Parslow.  This was achieved by simply leaving the phone behind in London. Another mobile could be used thereafter.

Okay, I see where you're going with that thought, but it doesn't fit the evidence infront of us I'm afraid. We're not being difficult here, we will stress-test everything, but in this case the assumption falls flat. The times that the cellsite place Mark in London are corroborated by other independent sources that put him in London:

The purpose of the evidence gathering exercise was to demonstrate that one doesn't need to rely upon one source alone. All of the independent sources corroborate each other.
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Re: The murder of Samuel Alexander - Serious Case Review.
« Reply #122 on: January 16, 2019, 03:08:08 PM »
I totally disagree, concrete can set in minutes if a fast setting agent is used.  In any event, I suggest several visits were made to the grave to add mortar, not just one.

Well you are disagreeing with a team of expert witnesses I'm afraid. They factored in the possibility of a fast-setting agent being used, but at the volumes we are talking about 3 hours was the shortest amount of time it would have taken to set sufficiently hard enough for another layer to be placed on top and form a distinct strata rather than simply merging into the one below it.

You are quite right however, the same effect could have been achieved by returning on several visits.
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Offline Angelo222

Re: The murder of Samuel Alexander - Serious Case Review.
« Reply #123 on: January 16, 2019, 04:58:17 PM »
Well you are disagreeing with a team of expert witnesses I'm afraid. They factored in the possibility of a fast-setting agent being used, but at the volumes we are talking about 3 hours was the shortest amount of time it would have taken to set sufficiently hard enough for another layer to be placed on top and form a distinct strata rather than simply merging into the one below it.

You are quite right however, the same effect could have been achieved by returning on several visits.

I can dig a hole for a post, insert the post, pour dry postcrete in, add water and it's hard in 5 minutes.  In fact it goes off so quickly in warm weather that you need to be quick.  You can add a cement accelerator or admixture to any sand and cement mix to speed up concrete setting.
« Last Edit: January 16, 2019, 05:13:15 PM by Angelo222 »
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

Je ne regrette rien!!

Offline Myster

Re: The murder of Samuel Alexander - Serious Case Review.
« Reply #124 on: January 17, 2019, 07:30:38 AM »

When was this photo taken?   Before the police excavated the burial site, or after when they'd backfilled it with soil?


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Re: The murder of Samuel Alexander - Serious Case Review.
« Reply #125 on: January 17, 2019, 03:06:46 PM »
Not necessarily as the site was partially obscured from view.

This is a fair point John, but we assume the work involved would have generated a lot of noise, and it would have been necessary to transport all the materials and tools to the site. A strange vehicle would have been noticed during the day, and if it was parked a way off then the occupants would have had to lug all the contents back and forth up and down Prospect Close. All very risky. The only other access would seem to be from the farmer's field itself. Alternatively, turning up under the cover of darkness may have shielded their activities.
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Offline John

Re: The murder of Samuel Alexander - Serious Case Review.
« Reply #126 on: January 17, 2019, 05:53:54 PM »
When was this photo taken?   Before the police excavated the burial site, or after when they'd backfilled it with soil?



The latter.
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposť of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Myster

Re: The murder of Samuel Alexander - Serious Case Review.
« Reply #127 on: January 17, 2019, 05:54:58 PM »

We're not sure when the photo was taken Myster, potentially on either occasion.
I've got a feeling that it was taken before police attempted to expose the concrete, because this other photo shows the Forensic Investigation Unit van (recently) parked on Prospect Close road with soil near the garage undisturbed.  Why would police take cs photos after investigation anyway, the usual procedure being to gather visual evidence before disturbing the scene.  So do you believe that Mark backfilled and cleaned up the area sometime after laying the concrete?

Offline Myster

Re: The murder of Samuel Alexander - Serious Case Review.
« Reply #128 on: January 17, 2019, 05:55:28 PM »

Offline John

Re: The murder of Samuel Alexander - Serious Case Review.
« Reply #129 on: January 17, 2019, 05:56:18 PM »
This is a fair point John, but we assume the work involved would have generated a lot of noise, and it would have been necessary to transport all the materials and tools to the site. A strange vehicle would have been noticed during the day, and if it was parked a way off then the occupants would have had to lug all the contents back and forth up and down Prospect Close. All very risky. The only other access would seem to be from the farmer's field itself. Alternatively, turning up under the cover of darkness may have shielded their activities.

We're not sure when the photo was taken Myster, potentially on either occasion.

Maybe in a normal situation but not here. All one would need was a spade.  Add some concrete, sand and water and Bobs your uncle.
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposť of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline John

Re: The murder of Samuel Alexander - Serious Case Review.
« Reply #130 on: January 17, 2019, 06:00:21 PM »
I've got a feeling that it was taken before police attempted to expose the concrete, because this other photo shows the Forensic Investigation Unit van (recently) parked on Prospect Close road with soil near the garage undisturbed.  Why would police take cs photos after investigation anyway, the usual procedure being to gather visual evidence before disturbing the scene.  So do you believe that Mark backfilled and cleaned up the area sometime after laying the concrete?


IMO the forensics caravan would not have been brought to the site without a discovery. The site would have had grass and weeds on it had it been undisturbed and yes, the killer placed the excavated soil back over the grave.

« Last Edit: January 17, 2019, 06:28:07 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposť of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Myster

Re: The murder of Samuel Alexander - Serious Case Review.
« Reply #131 on: January 17, 2019, 06:11:46 PM »
The forensics caravan would not have been brought to the site without a discovery. The site would have had grass and weeds on it had it been undisturbed.
From mid October to January, autumn / winter time when grass and weeds are dormant and the area wasn't seeded?

Offline John

Re: The murder of Samuel Alexander - Serious Case Review.
« Reply #132 on: January 17, 2019, 06:17:40 PM »
Well worth a watch from about 5.20

A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposť of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline John

Re: The murder of Samuel Alexander - Serious Case Review.
« Reply #133 on: January 17, 2019, 06:18:46 PM »
From mid October to January, autumn / winter time when grass and weeds are dormant and the area wasn't seeded?

You still get green from moss, moulds etc.. whereas that ground looks to have been freshly raked.
« Last Edit: January 17, 2019, 06:29:33 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposť of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline John

Re: The murder of Samuel Alexander - Serious Case Review.
« Reply #134 on: January 17, 2019, 06:24:05 PM »
Some interesting points, watch from about 3.50

« Last Edit: January 17, 2019, 06:26:14 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposť of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.