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Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: Robittybob1 on July 08, 2019, 11:17:05 PM
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Billy Whizz Fan Club AKA Billy wrote "Does KM say specifically which parts of her May and September statements have been wrongly translated - or could it be supposed that this assertion is a get out of jail response applied to any awkward questions about what she has said?
Also why did she sign it if it was wrong, in your opinion?"
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Billy wrote "Does KM say specifically which parts of her May and September statements have been wrongly translated - or could it be supposed that this assertion is a get out of jail response applied to any awkward questions about what she has said?
Also why did she sign it if it was wrong, in your opinion?"
Probably after however many hours giving statements they just wanted to get out of there and back to PdL and did ‘t want to make a fuss about changing bath to shower. They probably thought what hell difference would it make to finding Madeleine and let it go. Maybe they skim read it, I know I do when prsented with something to sign and the person standing over me with a pen.
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Or maybe Kate said bath to deflect from the fact that she had had a shower, then forgot about her cunning ruse and said shower the second time thus letting the cat out of the bag big time.
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Kate McCann 4th May 2007
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"Tomou banho" translates as "took a shower".
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Kate McCann 4th May 2007
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"Tomou banho" translates as "took a shower".
What is wrong with taking a shower after a run, then later having a bath?
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What is wrong with taking a shower after a run, then later having a bath?
Kate didn't say that. The translation of Kate's 4th May statement is incorrect.
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It wasn't whether it was a shower or a bath. The time was different in both statements.
Thursday May 3rd 2007
Yesterday, after the daily routine, Madeleine and the twins went to bed at around 7.30. They were in their respective beds. The interviewee and her husband stayed in their apartment to relax until 8.30pm. She took a bath, did her make-up and drank a glass of New Zealand wine with her husband.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/KATE-MCCANN.htm
While the children were eating and looking at some books, Kate had a shower which lasted around 5 minutes. After showering, at around 6:30/6:40PM and while she was getting dry, she heard somebody knocking at the veranda door. She wrapped herself in a towel and went to see who it was.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/KATE-MCCANN_ARGUIDO.htm
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Kate didn't say that. The translation of Kate's 4th May statement is incorrect.
You didn't say that above.
"Yesterday, after the daily routine, Madeleine and the twins went to bed at around 7.30. They were in their respective beds. The interviewee and her husband stayed in their apartment to relax until 8.30pm. She took a bath, did her make-up and drank a glass of New Zealand wine with her husband."
You said ""Tomou banho" translates as "took a shower"". So what does "She took a bath" read in Portuguese?
Google Translate says "She took a bath" as "ela tomou banho", but also gives the same result for "she took a shower".
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It wasn't whether it was a shower or a bath. The time was different in both statements.
Thursday May 3rd 2007
Yesterday, after the daily routine, Madeleine and the twins went to bed at around 7.30. They were in their respective beds. The interviewee and her husband stayed in their apartment to relax until 8.30pm. She took a bath, did her make-up and drank a glass of New Zealand wine with her husband.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/KATE-MCCANN.htm
While the children were eating and looking at some books, Kate had a shower which lasted around 5 minutes. After showering, at around 6:30/6:40PM and while she was getting dry, she heard somebody knocking at the veranda door. She wrapped herself in a towel and went to see who it was.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/KATE-MCCANN_ARGUIDO.htm
So I ask: "What is wrong with taking a shower after a run, then later having a bath?".
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It wasn't whether it was a shower or a bath. The time was different in both statements.
Thursday May 3rd 2007
Yesterday, after the daily routine, Madeleine and the twins went to bed at around 7.30. They were in their respective beds. The interviewee and her husband stayed in their apartment to relax until 8.30pm. She took a bath, did her make-up and drank a glass of New Zealand wine with her husband.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/KATE-MCCANN.htm
While the children were eating and looking at some books, Kate had a shower which lasted around 5 minutes. After showering, at around 6:30/6:40PM and while she was getting dry, she heard somebody knocking at the veranda door. She wrapped herself in a towel and went to see who it was.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/KATE-MCCANN_ARGUIDO.htm
The first statement was both ambiguous & paraphrased in relation to the temporal sequence of events imo.
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So I ask: "What is wrong with taking a shower after a run, then later having a bath?".
A shower after a run is what you would think would have happened but Kate didn't say that. 4 May 2007 - a shower after the kids were put to bed. 6 Sep 2007 - a shower before the kids were put to bed.
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A shower after a run is what you would think would have happened but Kate didn't say that. 4 May 2007 - a shower after the kids were put to bed. 6 Sep 2007 - a shower before the kids were put to bed.
"ela tomou banho" translates to bath or shower so the 4th could translate to "a bath after the kids were put to bed"
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Kate McCann 4th May 2007
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"Tomou banho" translates as "took a shower".
I'll accept it's a good translation.
Where's GM at this point?
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"ela tomou banho" translates to bath or shower so the 4th could translate to "a bath after the kids were put to bed"
If you want to say "she took a bath" you need to insert "um" between tomou & banho. (Ela tomou um banho)
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I'll accept it's a good translation.
Where's GM at this point?
On the tennis court, witnessed by other holidaymakers.
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So I ask: "What is wrong with taking a shower after a run, then later having a bath?".
Nothing. I'll accept the translation is fine. Where was GM at the point she had a bath or shower?. What part of the statement does KM say was inaccurate?
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If you want to say "she took a bath" you need to insert "um" between tomou & banho. (Ela tomou um banho)
I'll take your word for that as I don't know TBH.
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The first statement was both ambiguous & paraphrased in relation to the temporal sequence of events imo.
I agree that's a good explanation. The second statement is more accurate IMO - but it blows a hole in Mitchell's claims about the missing six hours also IMO.
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Nothing. I'll accept the translation is fine. Where was GM at the point she had a bath or shower?. What part of the statement does KM say was inaccurate?
Well we don't know do we, but when I looked at it a couple of sentences hit me as being a bit suspect.
1. "Her husband said that the children were doing well and that he had bumped into the person with whom he had played tennis, a person who has two children." Why did she care to mention that Jez has two children?
2. "At the same time, one of the group of friends, Russell, went to see his children, without checking on the interviewee's children."
Is Kate being confused here and should have said Matt rather than Russell?
3. "Around 9.30pm was the time the interviewee should have gone to see her children, but her friend Matt (a member of the group) had just done a check in his apartment then gone to the interviewee's. He had entered the apartment by a glass sliding side door, that was always unlocked and once inside had not gone into the children's bedroom. He only looked through the door, and did not hear any noise. He went back to the restaurant and said that everything was fine."
To me that reads as if Matt entered the McCann's apartment without asking before hand.
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Gerry McCann 10th May 2007
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como ainda era cedo, o depoente tomou banho, pensa que a Kate ja o tinha feito, conversam um bocada e beberam vinho ou cerveja
translates to
as it was still early, the deponent took a shower, thinks that Kate had already done it, talked a little and drank wine or beer
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Gerry McCann 10th May 2007
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(1930hrs children in bed)
como ainda era cedo, o depoente tomou banho, pensa que a Kate ja o tinha feito, conversam um bocada e beberam vinho ou cerveja
translates to
as it was still early, the deponent took a shower, thinks that Kate had already done it, talked a little and drank wine or beer
Getting harder to explain now.
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Getting harder to explain now.
Gerry didn't state that he recalled Kate taking a bath or shower between 7.30 & 8.30pm. I don't find that hard to understand at all.
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Well we don't know do we,
Someone here yesterday reported it as a fact.
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Gerry didn't state that he recalled Kate taking a bath or shower between 7.30 & 8.30pm. I don't find that hard to understand at all.
It makes sense that Kate had an earlier shower and Gerry the later one.
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Someone here yesterday reported it as a fact.
That was just a fraction of my post. So what are you referring to? Was it something I said? If I'm right more than half the time I'm happy.
Looking at what I wrote the reply goes
Billy: " What part of the statement does KM say was inaccurate?"
Rob: "Well we don't know do we, ..."
As in what part did she think was inaccurate? Do you know more than I do?
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On the tennis court, witnessed by other holidaymakers.
Which other holidaymakers?
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I agree that's a good explanation. The second statement is more accurate IMO - but it blows a hole in Mitchell's claims about the missing six hours also IMO.
What missing six hours are you referring to?
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What missing six hours are you referring to?
Google the missing six hours.
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It makes sense that Kate had an earlier shower and Gerry the later one.
But the McCanns don't make sense and that's why they are questioned. She left the children alone and had a shower. Why didn't she have it straight after her run and before Gerry left? That makes sense! It will be interesting to see what they conclude happened at 18:30 in apartment 5A in the final case.
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What missing six hours are you referring to?
Mitchell was referring to 14:39 - 20:39 as far as I remember. Though why he had forgotten the crèche Records is anyone’s guess