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Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: Robittybob1 on July 09, 2019, 09:28:24 AM

Title: Armchair detectives are harmless or do they need to be locked up?
Post by: Robittybob1 on July 09, 2019, 09:28:24 AM
Holly suggested " Do any of the mods have the capability of splitting a thread?  Maybe something like the 'Role Of Armchair Detectives? " 
Some do but I prefer to start a new thread.

Who are these armchair detectives?
Title: Re: Armchair detectives are harmless or do they need to be locked up?
Post by: Eleanor on July 09, 2019, 09:30:39 AM

Only John and Admin can split Threads.
Title: Re: Armchair detectives are harmless or do they need to be locked up?
Post by: jassi on July 09, 2019, 09:33:37 AM
Holly suggested " Do any of the mods have the capability of splitting a thread?  Maybe something like the 'Role Of Armchair Detectives? " 
Some do but I prefer to start a new thread.

Who are these armchair detectives?

Anyone who contacts the police with their ideas - IMO
There may be other types who restrict their opinions to blogs etc.
Title: Re: Armchair detectives are harmless or do they need to be locked up?
Post by: Robittybob1 on July 09, 2019, 09:37:02 AM
Only John and Admin can split Threads.
So John and Admin are different people?  Is Admin like the Stig on Top Gear?
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Title: Re: Armchair detectives are harmless or do they need to be locked up?
Post by: Robittybob1 on July 09, 2019, 09:39:22 AM
Anyone who contacts the police with their ideas - IMO
There may be other types who restrict their opinions to blogs etc.
Well have armchair detectives ever solved or helped to solve a crime.  I'm certain they have, especially mothers of deceased children.
Title: Re: Armchair detectives are harmless or do they need to be locked up?
Post by: jassi on July 09, 2019, 09:41:36 AM
Well have armchair detectives ever solved or helped to solve a crime.  I'm certain they have, especially mothers of deceased children.

Perhaps you can provide examples ?
Title: Re: Armchair detectives are harmless or do they need to be locked up?
Post by: Robittybob1 on July 09, 2019, 10:20:52 AM
Perhaps you can provide examples ?
I can't remember the actual cases sorry, but when I was listening to hundreds of YouTubes about murder investigations there were some memorable cases where the mother of the deceased got involved and solved the case  IIRC.
You could imagine parents having the biggest role in helping solve these cases.  Vested interest so to speak.
Title: Re: Armchair detectives are harmless or do they need to be locked up?
Post by: jassi on July 09, 2019, 10:44:39 AM
I can't remember the actual cases sorry, but when I was listening to hundreds of YouTubes about murder investigations there were some memorable cases where the mother of the deceased got involved and solved the case IIRC.
You could imagine parents having the biggest role in helping solve these cases.  Vested interest so to speak.


In this case, it only seems to be total strangers, rather than close relatives.

Title: Re: Armchair detectives are harmless or do they need to be locked up?
Post by: Robittybob1 on July 09, 2019, 11:03:46 AM

In this case, it only seems to be total strangers, rather than close relatives.
Kate has vowed to go on forever too. 
Title: Re: Armchair detectives are harmless or do they need to be locked up?
Post by: faithlilly on July 09, 2019, 11:06:06 AM
Holly suggested " Do any of the mods have the capability of splitting a thread?  Maybe something like the 'Role Of Armchair Detectives? " 
Some do but I prefer to start a new thread.

Who are these armchair detectives?

Do they need to be locked up ? Where ? For what ?
Title: Re: Armchair detectives are harmless or do they need to be locked up?
Post by: jassi on July 09, 2019, 11:08:41 AM
Kate has vowed to go on forever too.

Doing what?  Is there any evidence of her doing anything?
The Madeleine website,  hardly seems to be proactive in the quest.
Title: Re: Armchair detectives are harmless or do they need to be locked up?
Post by: The General on July 09, 2019, 11:10:32 AM
Do they need to be locked up ? Where ? For what ?
I thought it was an odd choice of words. The Tower maybe? Gitmo? A stationery cupboard?
Title: Re: Armchair detectives are harmless or do they need to be locked up?
Post by: Robittybob1 on July 09, 2019, 11:16:15 AM
Do they need to be locked up ? Where ? For what ?
For being a nutcase?  Look I was just trying to do a subject line, and I know certain members here think any idea we can solve this case is just nuts.

I'm here with the intention of solving this case, but it might beat me.  How many years will it take?  I worked on a previous case for 10 years.  This one now for 3 years.
Title: Re: Armchair detectives are harmless or do they need to be locked up?
Post by: The General on July 09, 2019, 11:17:03 AM
For being a nutcase?  Look I was just trying to do a subject line, and I know certain members here think any idea we can solve this case is just nuts.

I'm here with the intention of solving this case, but it might beat me.  How many years will it take?  I worked on a previous case for 10 years.  This one now for 3 years.
Did you solve the previous case?
Title: Re: Armchair detectives are harmless or do they need to be locked up?
Post by: faithlilly on July 09, 2019, 11:22:22 AM
For being a nutcase?  Look I was just trying to do a subject line, and I know certain members here think any idea we can solve this case is just nuts.

I'm here with the intention of solving this case, but it might beat me.  How many years will it take?  I worked on a previous case for 10 years.  This one now for 3 years.

For being a nutcase ? Is that possible? How come Trump is still free then ?
Title: Re: Armchair detectives are harmless or do they need to be locked up?
Post by: Robittybob1 on July 09, 2019, 11:25:22 AM
Did you solve the previous case?
In my way of thinking I did, but you know, the System always wants more. 
The next thing I'd have to do would be something like "find the bodies". So in the back of my mind I'm still thinking of doing a physical search for the remains.  In fact a cadaver dog would be the best thing out, now that I know how capable they can be, but I don't know if there is any in NZ.
Title: Re: Armchair detectives are harmless or do they need to be locked up?
Post by: The General on July 09, 2019, 11:28:57 AM
In my way of thinking I did, but you know, the System always wants more. 
The next thing I'd have to do would be something like "find the bodies". So in the back of my mind I'm still thinking of doing a physical search for the remains.  In fact a cadaver dog would be the best thing out, now that I know how capable they can be, but I don't know if there is any in NZ.
If it's woodland or scrubland or some such, then you could hire a guy with GPR. After all, it's a detection tool that may or may not find 'evidence' of disturbed ground / voids.
Title: Re: Armchair detectives are harmless or do they need to be locked up?
Post by: Robittybob1 on July 09, 2019, 11:31:04 AM
In my way of thinking I did, but you know, the System always wants more. 
The next thing I'd have to do would be something like "find the bodies". So in the back of my mind I'm still thinking of doing a physical search for the remains.  In fact a cadaver dog would be the best thing out, now that I know how capable they can be, but I don't know if there is any in NZ.
Maybe I'll have to invite Grime over to enjoy a holiday in the Marlborough Sounds.  It would be difficult to bring a dog into NZ.  Quarantine requirements etc.
Title: Re: Armchair detectives are harmless or do they need to be locked up?
Post by: The General on July 09, 2019, 11:39:10 AM
Maybe I'll have to invite Grime over to enjoy a holiday in the Marlborough Sounds.  It would be difficult to bring a dog into NZ.  Quarantine requirements etc.
$450 a day plus expenses - a snip for such a prestigious, experienced, successful and much-vaunted duo.
Imagine the kudos 'Local Amateur Sleuth Cracks Murder Case'. Retired vet, Rob Ittybob from Watayagadadoo has been praised by police today, for leading them to the remains of etc....etc.....
Title: Re: Armchair detectives are harmless or do they need to be locked up?
Post by: Robittybob1 on July 09, 2019, 11:43:46 AM
$450 a day plus expenses - a snip for such a prestigious, experienced, successful and much-vaunted duo.
Imagine the kudos 'Local Amateur Sleuth Cracks Murder Case'. Retired vet, Rob Ittybob from Watayagadadoo has been praised by police today, for leading them to the remains of etc....etc.....
The flights  for Grime and the dogs and accommodation  all up it would be $50,000.  My kids will not be speaking to me.
It gets to the point of being out of the question.

Title: Re: Armchair detectives are harmless or do they need to be locked up?
Post by: ShiningInLuz on July 09, 2019, 01:40:43 PM
New Zealand has deployed cadaver dogs in at least two cases.

I don't know if NZ currently has a cadaver dog unit, but I cannot see a reason why they would cease training such teams.

 *%87
Title: Re: Armchair detectives are harmless or do they need to be locked up?
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 09, 2019, 06:39:22 PM
In answer to the thread title I would say potentially they are a force for good.

Look no further than Joe Karam and Judges For Justice. 

Title: Re: Armchair detectives are harmless or do they need to be locked up?
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 10, 2019, 07:46:23 AM
This shows how a police officer of long experience made a simple error by overlooking important info that took him way off track.

In Ian Horrocks first report he states:

Why else would the child be wearing pyjamas? If the person was taking a child back to their home or apartment, then she would not have been in pyjamas.

https://themaddiecasefiles.com/former-top-detective-madeleine-is-alive-sky-03-07--t18256.html#p239403

He's obviously oblivious to the OC run night creche whereby children are put to bed and then collected by the parents. 

IH placed a lot of emphasis on the Tannerman sighting which in all probability was Dr Totman with his child.
Title: Re: Armchair detectives are harmless or do they need to be locked up?
Post by: Robittybob1 on July 10, 2019, 08:59:06 AM
In answer to the thread title I would say potentially they are a force for good.

Look no further than Joe Karam and Judges For Justice.
Being from NZ I've heard of Joe Karam, but not Judges for Justice. 

[I still think David Bain was guilty so Joe Karam actually got a guilty person out of prison IMO.]  Do you have some NZ connection too? 
Title: Re: Armchair detectives are harmless or do they need to be locked up?
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 10, 2019, 11:23:18 AM
Being from NZ I've heard of Joe Karam, but not Judges for Justice. 

[I still think David Bain was guilty so Joe Karam actually got a guilty person out of prison IMO.]  Do you have some NZ connection too?

Well I'm inclined to see DB as innocent.  In any event JK was a business person and sports person ie no forensic/legal experience/qualifications and he got DB freed.  NZ don't free the convicted unless they have good reason to do so.  Lundy is still behind bars. 

Judges for Justice are a US team led by Judge Heavy.  I met a team member on another forum.  Quite an impressive bunch of people who played a pivotal role in the AK case. 

Point is ordinary people can assist in these cases whether they be unsolved crimes or miscarriages of justice. 
Title: Re: Armchair detectives are harmless or do they need to be locked up?
Post by: Robittybob1 on July 10, 2019, 01:05:34 PM
Well I'm inclined to see DB as innocent.  In any event JK was a business person and sports person ie no forensic/legal experience/qualifications and he got DB freed.  NZ don't free the convicted unless they have good reason to do so.  Lundy is still behind bars. 

Judges for Justice are a US team led by Judge Heavy.  I met a team member on another forum.  Quite an impressive bunch of people who played a pivotal role in the AK case. 

Point is ordinary people can assist in these cases whether they be unsolved crimes or miscarriages of justice.
AK stands for?
Title: Re: Armchair detectives are harmless or do they need to be locked up?
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 10, 2019, 01:50:45 PM
AK stands for?

Amanda Knox.
Title: Re: Armchair detectives are harmless or do they need to be locked up?
Post by: Robittybob1 on July 10, 2019, 02:00:39 PM
Amanda Knox.
That is ongoing saga.  I have heard about it, but no particular views on the matter.