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Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: G-Unit on January 31, 2020, 01:58:59 PM
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In 'madeleine' Kate McCann says;
In a meeting seven weeks after Madeleine was taken, Guilhermino Encarnação had tried to reassure us
that the PJ were not trying to portray us in a negative light. ‘If we really wanted to do that,’ he said, ‘we’d release the comment Madeleine made to you on the day she disappeared.’
So what made the McCanns think the PJ were trying to potray them in a negative light? June 22nd is seven weeks after Madeleine disappeared.
I have trawled through media stories from 4th May 2007 to 22nd June 2007 and have found much less criticism directed at the McCanns than at the PJ.
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In 'madeleine' Kate McCann says;
In a meeting seven weeks after Madeleine was taken, Guilhermino Encarnação had tried to reassure us
that the PJ were not trying to portray us in a negative light. ‘If we really wanted to do that,’ he said, ‘we’d release the comment Madeleine made to you on the day she disappeared.’
So what made the McCanns think the PJ were trying to potray them in a negative light? June 22nd is seven weeks after Madeleine disappeared.
I have trawled through media stories from 4th May 2007 to 22nd June 2007 and have found much less criticism directed at the McCanns than at the PJ.
We all know what Kate McCann thought of the Portuguese police, fcuking tossers, Tweedledee and Tweedledum to boot.
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We all know what Kate McCann thought of the Portuguese police, fcuking tossers, Tweedledee and Tweedledum to boot.
As I said, criticism of the Portuguese police began immediately Madeleine disappeared, led by the McCanns and their family and friends.
The first significant article attacking the McCanns and their friends seems to have appeared in Sol on 30th June 2007; the 'Pact of Silence' story. That story does indeed contain facts that should have been known only to the police. So was that what Kate and Gerry complained to Encarnacao about?
https://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2008/03/madeleine-case-pact-of-silence.html
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As I said, criticism of the Portuguese police began immediately Madeleine disappeared, led by the McCanns and their family and friends.
The first significant article attacking the McCanns and their friends seems to have appeared in Sol on 30th June 2007; the 'Pact of Silence' story. That story does indeed contain facts that should have been known only to the police. So was that what Kate and Gerry complained to Encarnacao about?
https://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2008/03/madeleine-case-pact-of-silence.html
Is that an acknowledgement from you that the PJ were leaking?
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However, UK press attention began to shift in June with the emergence of a news media and internet backlash against the McCanns. International media coverage, vital to the McCann’s Find Madeleine campaign but beyond the reach of their media team, became more sceptical. This scepticism was first apparent when sections of the Portuguese press reported police leaks insinuating that there were contradictions in the parents’ version of events (Machado and Santos 2009). Then, at a Berlin press conference on 6 June, a journalist publicly challenged Kate and Gerry McCann: ‘How do you feel with the fact that more and more people seem to be pointing the finger at you? They’re saying the way you behave isn’t how people would normally behave when their child is abducted. They seem to imply that you might have something to do with it’ (Sky News, 6 June 2007). Although the question was condemned as an outrageous ‘slur’ across UK newspapers, it was reported in all of them, and the ‘unnaturally cool’ demeanour of Kate McCann was now highlighted as worthy of public deliberation. On 19 June 2007, the McCanns sent an open letter to the UK media. They thanked journalists and editors for their support, but asked for a reorientation of news attention away from what they saw as an undue focus on themselves, and back onto the search for their ‘abducted child’.
https://openaccess.city.ac.uk/id/eprint/1988/1/2012%20-%20TC%20-%20Madeleine%20McCann.pdf
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We all know what Kate McCann thought of the Portuguese police, fcuking tossers, Tweedledee and Tweedledum to boot.
Yea
Good gutzy words those. A lot of us think the same about certain of them.
Others are to be commended for their hard work. Well done to these later ones: it can't have been easy with the sort of 'leadership' they got.
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Ahahahahahahaaaaaaaaa..........let's see if that rubs both ways.
Up to yet it hasn't... There have been lots of libellous posts Re the mccanns but any criticism of Grime has seen posts removed. As I understand legally you can say what you like about organisations such as the PJ but not individual officers... Unless it's true of course... Amaral being a proven liar. The problem is some mods don't understand libel law... Plus to establish libel it has to cause significant damage.. I doubt anything said here would amount to that
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Is that an acknowledgement from you that the PJ were leaking?
I said the facts should have been known only to the police, but they weren't, were they? The McCanns and their friends admitted that they gave statements to Control Risks Group just a week after Madeleine's disappearance. This clearly contravened Article 86 of the Portuguese CPC, which states;
all parties to the investigation are bound by a duty of secrecy. This duty of secrecy applies to all those connected to the investigation and to all those who have obtained knowledge of the investigation from the commencement of the investigation to the moment that the proceedings become public.
https://www.portugalresident.com/the-rule-of-secrecy-of-justice-explained/
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I said the facts should have been known only to the police, but they weren't, were they? The McCanns and their friends admitted that they gave statements to Control Risks Group just a week after Madeleine's disappearance. This clearly contravened Article 86 of the Portuguese CPC, which states;
all parties to the investigation are bound by a duty of secrecy. This duty of secrecy applies to all those connected to the investigation and to all those who have obtained knowledge of the investigation from the commencement of the investigation to the moment that the proceedings become public.
https://www.portugalresident.com/the-rule-of-secrecy-of-justice-explained/
once again...did you actually read the article you linked to. it doesnt explain clearly what the Duty of Secrecy entails so we dont know if the McCannns broke it by speaking to CR. If you had read it you would see taht it does say the following...
More recently, this rule has been defended on the basis of the rights to privacy, to a good name and reputation of victims, defendants or other parties involved in criminal proceedings, and also on the basis of the presumption of innocence. For these reasons, the Portuguese Constitution includes under the chapter of Basic Rights the “Right to the Secrecy of Justice”.
That is far more relevant and interesting and makes the portuguse leaks something of an absolute insult to justice...it will be interesting to see what teh ECHR make of this
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once again...did you actually read the article you linked to. it doesnt explain clearly what the Duty of Secrecy entails so we dont know if the McCannns broke it by speaking to CR. If you had read it you would see taht it does say the following...
More recently, this rule has been defended on the basis of the rights to privacy, to a good name and reputation of victims, defendants or other parties involved in criminal proceedings, and also on the basis of the presumption of innocence. For these reasons, the Portuguese Constitution includes under the chapter of Basic Rights the “Right to the Secrecy of Justice”.
That is far more relevant and interesting and makes the portuguse leaks something of an absolute insult to justice...it will be interesting to see what teh ECHR make of this
The McCanns repeatedly relied on the Secrecy of Justice to explain why they couldn't answer questions posed by the media. Were they lying?
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No they weren't lying and if we understood exactly what the term meant you might understand why.
A govt cannot legislate against private conversations... As the statements to CR were.
Statements to the media are public statements and that's what I think judicial secrecy covers ...I'm sure having thought about it you will see I'm right
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No they weren't lying and if we understood exactly what the term meant you might understand why.
A govt cannot legislate against private conversations... As the statements to CR were.
Statements to the media are public statements and that's what I think judicial secrecy covers ...I'm sure having thought about it you will see I'm right
So if a PJ Inspector spoke in private to his/her husband/wife, sister or brother and they spoke to the media there was no breach of the secrecy law?
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So if a PJ Inspector spoke in private to his/her husband/wife, sister or brother and they spoke to the media there was no breach of the secrecy law?
That would be a disciplinary offence in the UK... I still say... We don't understand exactly what the secrecy law stipulates... I don't see how it could cover private conversations but police officers have an obligation to confidentiality in almost all countries I would think
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I said the facts should have been known only to the police, but they weren't, were they? The McCanns and their friends admitted that they gave statements to Control Risks Group just a week after Madeleine's disappearance. This clearly contravened Article 86 of the Portuguese CPC, which states;
all parties to the investigation are bound by a duty of secrecy. This duty of secrecy applies to all those connected to the investigation and to all those who have obtained knowledge of the investigation from the commencement of the investigation to the moment that the proceedings become public.
https://www.portugalresident.com/the-rule-of-secrecy-of-justice-explained/
Once again you seem to be suggesting that the McCanns were leaking harmful stories about themselves and their friends to the the media. What a very strange thing to think.
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Once again you seem to be suggesting that the McCanns were leaking harmful stories about themselves and their friends to the the media. What a very strange thing to think.
Do you think Jeremy Wilkins gave any information to Sol journalist Felicia Cabrita?
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The McCanns repeatedly relied on the Secrecy of Justice to explain why they couldn't answer questions posed by the media. Were they lying?
if you are going to continually accuse others of breaking the Judicial secrecy laws could you point out with a cite exactly what they are ...without that you are just guessing
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if you are going to continually accuse others of breaking the Judicial secrecy laws could you point out with a cite exactly what they are ...without that you are just guessing
I'm accusing no-one, just examining the evidence of who knew what. I think the Resident article was perfectly clear.
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Do you think Jeremy Wilkins gave any information to Sol journalist Felicia Cabrita?
No idea, how does that answer my post?
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I'm accusing no-one, just examining the evidence of who knew what. I think the Resident article was perfectly clear.
So you think a newspaper article... Which isn't clear... Is, a, reliable source of Portuguese law. I don't think you understand the, law, at, all. It's the investigation that is, subject to secrecy... The mccanns sure are, at liberty to discuss their own actions privately with whoever they chose... Which they did
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So you think a newspaper article... Which isn't clear... Is, a, reliable source of Portuguese law. I don't think you understand the, law, at, all. It's the investigation that is, subject to secrecy... The mccanns sure are, at liberty to discuss their own actions privately with whoever they chose... Which they did
We'll have to differ then. The fact remains that the PJ weren't the only people in possession of the details of the investigation.
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We'll have to differ then. The fact remains that the PJ weren't the only people in possession of the details of the investigation.
Indeed G they went straight onto the attack via their family friends to tell the world via TV- poor them left to search for their daughter alone as there was no police searching.. tsk tsk tsk.
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We'll have to differ then. The fact remains that the PJ weren't the only people in possession of the details of the investigation.
The PJ were the only ones to gain from smearing the McCanns, the McCanns gained nothing from smearing themselves and anyone who believe otherwise must surely be extremely deluded.
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The PJ were the only ones to gain from smearing the McCanns, the McCanns gained nothing from smearing themselves and anyone who believe otherwise must surely be extremely deluded.
All part of the pity party they celebrated daily.
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The PJ were the only ones to gain from smearing the McCanns, the McCanns gained nothing from smearing themselves and anyone who believe otherwise must surely be extremely deluded.
There is nothing to be gained from smearing oneself. If you can make it look like someone else is smearing you that can work to your advantage though.
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There is nothing to be gained from smearing oneself. If you can make it look like someone else is smearing you that can work to your advantage though.
So the leaks that even the head of the PJ admitted happened you’re now blaming on the victims of the leaks themselves. Well that’s par for the course I suppose.