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Alleged Miscarriages of Justice => Jeremy Bamber and the callous murder of his father, mother, sister and twin nephews. Case effectively CLOSED by CCRC on basis of NO APPEAL REFERRAL. => Topic started by: Holly Goodhead on February 24, 2020, 02:01:32 PM
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Did the Bamber's attempt to control and manipulate their adopted children by making them financially dependent and controlling the purse strings?
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Did the Bamber's attempt to control and manipulate their adopted children by making them financially dependent and controlling the purse strings?
No more than any other parents! Bamber didn't have to work on the farm!
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No more than any other parents! Bamber didn't have to work on the farm!
Based on 1985 data the Bamber's were in the top few % wealth wise. They also owned businesses capable of employing their adopted children so this set the Bamber's apart from most parents.
Whether or not JB enjoyed farming and/or running the caravan park only he knows.
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Based on 1985 data the Bamber's were in the top few % wealth wise. They also owned businesses capable of employing their adopted children so this set the Bamber's apart from most parents.
Whether or not JB enjoyed farming and/or running the caravan park only he knows.
Not sure what point your you're trying to make in respect to their wealth? If they gave them money, it's keeping them tied (economic abuse), if they don't, then they should because they can afford to?
Well, not really as he told various people he didn't like farming. I suspect he meant he didn't like the hard work that went with it.
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Not sure what point your you're trying to make in respect to their wealth? If they gave them money, it's keeping them tied (economic abuse), if they don't, then they should because they can afford to?
Well, not really as he told various people he didn't like farming. I suspect he meat he didn't like the hard work that went with it.
Those of my acquaintance, who knew him, attest to such. They are, however, of the generation who were prepared to role up their sleeves and get stuck in. Greshams, whilst being a good starting point for those who would go on to successful careers, didn't cater for those who left without qualifications, Jeremy being one of that number. Given that he was to take over from his father, it's surprising that he didn't go on to Ag. college. Could it be that he sat, and failed, the rather stiff entrance exams, or was it that he simply wasn't interested? Such should have rung warning bells that farming wasn't his raison d'etre. T%he trouble was, without any qualifications, Jeremy wasn't likely to have gained meaningful employment anywhere. Whatever he did would have meant starting at the bottom and working his way up. Starting at the bottom doesn't pay well. It was lucky for him that his father could provide him with those things necessary for him to look the part. No other unskilled labour would have afforded him that.
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Nature or Nurture. Eh what?
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I went to teacher training college in 1972. In those days, we didn't pay uni fees, but we got a grant. If our parents were "too well off", they had to contribute, which mine did. When my parents found out that I was "experimenting" with------guess what----smoking cigarettes, they threatened to cut off my money, and if they had done so,I would have had to leave college.
Needless to say, I carried on smoking, and just hid it from them (as I suppose, hundreds of other students did).
I call that economic abuse!
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I went to teacher training college in 1972. In those days, we didn't pay uni fees, but we got a grant. If our parents were "too well off", they had to contribute, which mine did. When my parents found out that I was "experimenting" with------guess what----smoking cigarettes, they threatened to cut off my money, and if they had done so,I would have had to leave college.
Needless to say, I carried on smoking, and just hid it from them (as I suppose, hundreds of other students did).
I call that economic abuse!
Really? They weren't just concerned for your health then? The threat certainly didn't deter you. @)(++(*
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I think people are deliberately bending the definition to try and make it fit this case.
https://www.womensaid.org.uk/information-support/what-is-domestic-abuse/financial-abuse/
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Really? They weren't just concerned for your health then? The threat certainly didn't deter you. @)(++(*
They were more concerned that I was using "their" money, since I was told that, when I earned my own money, I could smoke all I liked! The threat was their way of keeping control over me.
I'm sure they were concerned about my health, but it was not about that!
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They were more concerned that I was using "their" money, since I was told that, when I earned my own money, I could smoke all I liked! The threat was their way of keeping control over me.
I'm sure they were concerned about my health, but it was not about that!
I don't agree that it was economical abuse and like I said previously the actual definition is being bent.
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I went to teacher training college in 1972. In those days, we didn't pay uni fees, but we got a grant. If our parents were "too well off", they had to contribute, which mine did. When my parents found out that I was "experimenting" with------guess what----smoking cigarettes, they threatened to cut off my money, and if they had done so,I would have had to leave college.
Needless to say, I carried on smoking, and just hid it from them (as I suppose, hundreds of other students did).
I call that economic abuse!
A married lady I knew got a place at University and she was over the moon. She didn't get a full grant because of her husband's earnings. He pressurised her until she left Uni and abandoned her dreams.
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Did the Bamber's attempt to control and manipulate their adopted children by making them financially dependent and controlling the purse strings?
The Bambers’ provided for their children, very generously too — and responsibly
Paid for private education, for their children’s good. They didn’t send Jeremy to private school to learn how to ride a tractor! They were giving him the chance to LEARN, go to university, and make a career for himself..but he was LAZY and couldn’t be bothered to study
Despite that they still bought BOTH Jeremy and Sheila their own properties, cars etc...
If they wanted to control them they’d have tried to have kept them living on the farm!
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The Bambers’ provided for their children, very generously too — and responsibly
Paid for private education, for their children’s good. They didn’t send Jeremy to private school to learn how to ride a tractor! They were giving him the chance to LEARN, go to university, and make a career for himself..but he was LAZY and couldn’t be bothered to study
Despite that they still bought BOTH Jeremy and Sheila their own properties, cars etc...
If they wanted to control them they’d have tried to have kept them living on the farm!
Generously? How condescending!! Are you suggesting that adopted children deserve less? The Bambers did no more than other parents of their social level and wealth.
I think they did their best -via different carrots- to keep them near by and close, just as the Boutflower children were, but they couldn't force them into a certain mind set. Unfortunately, how ever high up the social scale they were, the Bamber children, because they were untrained and unqualified for anything, ranked as unskilled labour. Where, had the Bambers not provided them with homes, where would they have lived? How would they have afforded to live?
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I believe the offer of buying SC a home in London was contingent on her marrying CC with June pointing out she was doing it for the benefit of the twins.
Another example is June wanting to arrange a break for Sheila with a Christian community in Bournemouth. Why not say to SC 'Maybe a break away would do you good. Do you want to find something and I' ll treat you'.
JB and AE had the same role and responsibilities at OCP but according to JB he received less by way of remuneration. He raised this with June and was told he could have the same 'When you learn to live properly'. JB claims this was partly the reason he stole the money from OCP which I'm not condoning but can understand how he might well feel aggrieved without access to a HR dept and June effectivelly controlling the purse strings.
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I believe the offer of buying SC a home in London was contingent on her marrying CC with June pointing out she was doing it for the benefit of the twins.
Another example is June wanting to arrange a break for Sheila with a Christian community in Bournemouth. Why not say to SC 'Maybe a break away would do you good. Do you want to find something and I' ll treat you'.
JB and AE had the same role and responsibilities at OCP but according to JB he received less by way of remuneration. He raised this with June and was told he could have the same 'When you learn to live properly'. JB claims this was partly the reason he stole the money from OCP which I'm not condoning but can understand how he might well feel aggrieved without access to a HR dept and June effectivelly controlling the purse strings.
Now you're getting it.
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The Bambers’ provided for their children, very generously too — and responsibly
Paid for private education, for their children’s good. They didn’t send Jeremy to private school to learn how to ride a tractor! They were giving him the chance to LEARN, go to university, and make a career for himself..but he was LAZY and couldn’t be bothered to study
Despite that they still bought BOTH Jeremy and Sheila their own properties, cars etc...
If they wanted to control them they’d have tried to have kept them living on the farm!
JB obtained 7 O levels at Greshams. How many O levels did SC obtain? JB did flunk his A levels in biology and maths but these subjects would have been useful for a career in farming which isn't just about humping bales of hay and straw around. There is actually a significant amount of science underpinning it all from weather patterns to the soil.
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JB obtained 7 O levels at Greshams. How many O levels did SC obtain? JB did flunk his A levels in biology and maths but these subjects would have been useful for a career in farming which isn't just about humping bales of hay and straw around. There is actually a significant amount of science underpinning it all from weather patterns to the soil.
That would be something you learned hands on.
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That would be something you learned hands on.
Where did NB and RB meet and learn their trade? Agricultural college I believe?
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Where did NB and RB meet and learn their trade? Agricultural college I believe?
Bamber had no intention of going to agricultural collage @)(++(*
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Bamber had no intention of going to agricultural collage @)(++(*
I never said he did. He grew up on a farm and part completed A levels in Biology and Maths which would have given him a basic understanding of relevant info.
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I never said he did. He grew up on a farm and part completed A levels in Biology and Maths which would have given him a basic understanding of relevant info.
With no interest.
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With no interest.
I think he had a genuine interest in growing things evidenced by his cannabis plants! And thinking money grew on trees as far as his parents were concerned!
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I think he had a genuine interest in growing things evidenced by his cannabis plants! And thinking money grew on trees as far as his parents were concerned!
Are you serious Holly? @)(++(* The interest was in selling the drug at the end of it!
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Are you serious Holly? @)(++(* The interest was in selling the drug at the end of it!
No I was jesting but I do think JB had a genuine interest in growing plants and such like evidenced by CC's book where he tells us he and JB shared an interest in growing cacti and visited Kew gardens together.