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Title: What are your political values?
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on May 19, 2020, 11:31:12 PM
Although this is an American test, I still found it worth doing.  I matched with social liberalism, what about you?

https://www.idrlabs.com/8-values-political/test.php
Title: Re: What are your political values?
Post by: mrswah on May 20, 2020, 12:51:14 AM
Although this is an American test, I still found it worth doing.  I matched with social liberalism, what about you?

https://www.idrlabs.com/8-values-political/test.php


Theocratic Socialism.  Yes, interesting test.
Title: Re: What are your political values?
Post by: Carana on May 20, 2020, 08:52:28 AM
It reminds my of multiple-choice tests at school (and later my gripe with polls and social research). :) I guess my thought processes tend to favour "It depends", which is rarely a possible answer and doesn't equate to  "no opinion".

I'd correspond to a Social Democrat (US definition, i.e. Obama).
Title: Re: What are your political values?
Post by: faithlilly on May 20, 2020, 08:59:02 AM
It reminds my of multiple-choice tests at school (and later my gripe with polls and social research). :) I guess my thought processes tend to favour "It depends", which is rarely a possible answer and doesn't equate to  "no opinion".

I'd correspond to a Social Democrat (US definition, i.e. Obama).

From the last 40 years who would be your preferred PM, whether they achieved that role or not ?
Title: Re: What are your political values?
Post by: Carana on May 20, 2020, 09:21:01 AM
From the last 40 years who would be your preferred PM, whether they achieved that role or not ?

I'd have to have a think about that...

No one on the far left or the far right, which narrows things down a little.
Title: Re: What are your political values?
Post by: faithlilly on May 20, 2020, 09:29:19 AM
I'd have to have a think about that...

No one on the far left or the far right, which narrows things down a little.

It does. That’s why I’d be interested in your answer.
Title: Re: What are your political values?
Post by: Carana on May 20, 2020, 09:54:22 AM
I'm not sure how the weighting works on that test, though.

On the four axes in the "result":

Economic: centrist
Diplomatic : Peaceful
Civil: Liberal

But then...
Societal: Progressive
I have a problem with that one as my views are far more towards the middle than my score shows. The scale is Tradition versus Progress.
Yes, I'm in favour of automation (but only to a certain extent), science and technology... but not at any price.

For example, even though I sometimes waver depending on the situation and the urgency, on the whole I support small handicraft businesses over mass-produced items. Rustic furniture over Ikea. Corner shops in villages over hypermarkets. IMO, if you kill the corner shop, you kill part of the social fabric that binds communities.


Title: Re: What are your political values?
Post by: G-Unit on May 20, 2020, 10:23:32 AM
I'm not sure how the weighting works on that test, though.

On the four axes in the "result":

Economic: centrist
Diplomatic : Peaceful
Civil: Liberal

But then...
Societal: Progressive
I have a problem with that one as my views are far more towards the middle than my score shows. The scale is Tradition versus Progress.
Yes, I'm in favour of automation (but only to a certain extent), science and technology... but not at any price.

For example, even though I sometimes waver depending on the situation and the urgency, on the whole I support small handicraft businesses over mass-produced items. Rustic furniture over Ikea. Corner shops in villages over hypermarkets. IMO, if you kill the corner shop, you kill part of the social fabric that binds communities.

Either/or questions are a blunt instrument. I once wrote a survey with yes or no answers. The general public answered quite happily. Students from a local university pointed out that yes and no answers aren't enough.
Title: Re: What are your political values?
Post by: Carana on May 20, 2020, 10:38:21 AM
Either/or questions are a blunt instrument. I once wrote a survey with yes or no answers. The general public answered quite happily. Students from a local university pointed out that yes and no answers aren't enough.

Agree. I was once involved in a research project in which explanations of views were taken into account. The explanations turned out to be the most revealing of all.
Title: Re: What are your political values?
Post by: Carana on May 20, 2020, 10:46:47 AM
Which somehow brings us back to yes/no referendums and... hmmm, Brexit.

I would have accepted the result if people had had factual information on which to base their views as opposed to what seems to have been a psyops operation.
Title: Re: What are your political values?
Post by: Mr Gray on May 20, 2020, 12:00:45 PM
Which somehow brings us back to yes/no referendums and... hmmm, Brexit.

I would have accepted the result if people had had factual information on which to base their views as opposed to what seems to have been a psyops operation.

Every election is based on roughly the same principles.
How can you guarantee that the electorate have read and understood the information provided to them.
Title: Re: What are your political values?
Post by: Carana on May 20, 2020, 04:24:09 PM
Every election is based on roughly the same principles.
How can you guarantee that the electorate have read and understood the information provided to them.

There is no guarantee, but what's the point of a democracy if people are misled into believing lies?
Title: Re: What are your political values?
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on May 20, 2020, 04:32:57 PM
There is no guarantee, but what's the point of a democracy if people are misled into believing lies?
As long as all sides can and do lie it’s democracy 😜
Title: Re: What are your political values?
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on May 20, 2020, 04:35:23 PM
Either/or questions are a blunt instrument. I once wrote a survey with yes or no answers. The general public answered quite happily. Students from a local university pointed out that yes and no answers aren't enough.
the survey doesn’t require yes /no responses- did you give it a go?
Title: Re: What are your political values?
Post by: Mr Gray on May 20, 2020, 07:37:22 PM
There is no guarantee, but what's the point of a democracy if people are misled into believing lies?
Every point.... It's the best there is. Don't you think every party tells lies.
What's the alternative...
Title: Re: What are your political values?
Post by: Mr Gray on May 20, 2020, 07:38:24 PM
the survey doesn’t require yes /no responses- did you give it a go?

I'm a social democrat
Title: Re: What are your political values?
Post by: Carana on May 21, 2020, 09:21:54 AM
I'm a social democrat
Snap.
Title: Re: What are your political values?
Post by: Carana on May 22, 2020, 06:31:42 PM
As long as all sides can and do lie it’s democracy 😜

Now, who's depressing? ;)
Title: Re: What are your political values?
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on May 22, 2020, 06:56:46 PM
I'm a social democrat
Isn’t that what Jeremy Corbyn is supposed to be?
Title: Re: What are your political values?
Post by: Carana on May 22, 2020, 09:31:30 PM
Isn’t that what Jeremy Corbyn is supposed to be?

Is he?

I get confused with these labels.

The conclusion of my test was "Social Democrat". As it was a US test, I took it to mean someone with similar views to Obama.

For me, Corbyn would equate more to Bernie Sanders.
Title: Re: What are your political values?
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on May 22, 2020, 09:38:59 PM
Is he?

I get confused with these labels.

The conclusion of my test was "Social Democrat". As it was a US test, I took it to mean someone with similar views to Obama.

For me, Corbyn would equate more to Bernie Sanders.
I think that’s the label his supporters gave him to make him seem more electable.
Title: Re: What are your political values?
Post by: Carana on May 22, 2020, 09:56:56 PM
I think that’s the label his supporters gave him to make him seem more electable.

Do you mean Corbyn?

The term seems to be somewhat elastic.

As does "conservative", for that matter. In the US, the term means way off to the right.
Title: Re: What are your political values?
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on May 22, 2020, 09:58:15 PM
Do you mean Corbyn?

The term seems to be somewhat elastic.

As does "conservative", for that matter. In the US, the term means way off to the right.
Yes, Corbyn the “social democrat”. 
Title: Re: What are your political values?
Post by: Aunt Agatha on May 23, 2020, 02:21:15 AM


I'm spending the third anniversary of the Manchester "bombing" watching "Manchester - The Night Of The Bang", by Richard D Hall. True to form, Richard scrutinises every little detail that was reported in the press and shows it up to be another absolute shitshow of a psyop.

Brilliant stuff, Richard, as always... 😊

https://youtu.be/0jlZAZ8eWIw
Title: Re: What are your political values?
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on May 23, 2020, 08:59:17 AM

I'm spending the third anniversary of the Manchester "bombing" watching "Manchester - The Night Of The Bang", by Richard D Hall. True to form, Richard scrutinises every little detail that was reported in the press and shows it up to be another absolute shitshow of a psyop.

Brilliant stuff, Richard, as always... 😊

https://youtu.be/0jlZAZ8eWIw
Fascinating I'm sure but this is not a thread for discussing loopy conspiracy theories so kindly start a new thread if you wish to discuss this nonsense further.
Title: Re: What are your political values?
Post by: Aunt Agatha on May 23, 2020, 09:38:41 AM
Fascinating I'm sure but this is not a thread for discussing loopy conspiracy theories so kindly start a new thread if you wish to discuss this nonsense further.



It’s a great indication towards ,my political views’
Title: Re: What are your political values?
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on May 23, 2020, 10:38:40 AM


It’s a great indication towards ,my political views’
Is it?  Not to me it isn't.  Conspiracy theorists come from both the left and the right of the political spectrum, though I'm inclined to thing Richard Hall probably appeals more to the right wing.
Title: Re: What are your political values?
Post by: Mr Gray on May 23, 2020, 11:14:00 AM
Is it?  Not to me it isn't.  Conspiracy theorists come from both the left and the right of the political spectrum, though I'm inclined to thing Richard Hall probably appeals more to the right wing.

Are the Monster Raving Looney Party right wing
Title: Re: What are your political values?
Post by: Mr Gray on May 23, 2020, 11:14:54 AM


It’s a great indication towards ,my political views’

Monster Raving Looney Party?
Title: Re: What are your political values?
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on May 23, 2020, 11:28:49 AM
Are the Monster Raving Looney Party right wing
No, they're Wrong Wing.