For those who firmly believe JB guilty as charged why bother?
Some appear to get defensive and say words to the effect 'it's up to me how I spend my time'. Or bizzarely they will say something like 'I'm just correcting what supporters spout'.
It takes all sorts I guess. All the cases I've posted on here I either consider to be MOJ's: JB and Rettendon murders or the cases are unsolved: MM, murder of Jill Dando.
I couldn't be bothered to post on the Vincent Tabak thread as I believe him to be guilty as charged.
So can I ask what motivates those who firmly believe JB guilty as charged to continue posting.
For those who firmly believe JB guilty as charged why bother?
Some appear to get defensive and say words to the effect 'it's up to me how I spend my time'. Or bizzarely they will say something like 'I'm just correcting what supporters spout'.
It takes all sorts I guess. All the cases I've posted on here I either consider to be MOJ's: JB and Rettendon murders or the cases are unsolved: MM, murder of Jill Dando.
I couldn't be bothered to post on the Vincent Tabak thread as I believe him to be guilty as charged.
So can I ask what motivates those who firmly believe JB guilty as charged to continue posting.
My thoughts exactly I was just thinking the same when I saw ISWMBE post-JB will be in prison till he dies.
So why spend endless days/hours on here - what is their point when as far as they are concerned he got what he deserved.
There must be more to it IMO
I suspect some have doubts in a dark recess somewhere. Others might be playing Devil's advocate or even carrying out research for a book.
My thoughts exactly I was just thinking the same when I saw ISWMBE post-JB will be in prison till he dies.
So why spend endless days/hours on here - what is their point when as far as they are concerned he got what he deserved.
There must be more to it IMO
While there are still things to debate - why not? Why does there have to be 'more to it'? Sorry, hang on, I've got a Zoo session about to start with Essex Police and the relatives ------ Opps @)(++(* @)(++(*
Well oviously you know what you mean - doesnt make sence to me. *%^^&
Or are you calling Essex police animals @)(++(*
All the while there are people on the internet promulgating daft conspiracy theories there will people keen to point out how daft they are, whether it’s Jeremy Bamber is Innocent, Maddie’s Parents Dumped Her Body In A Bin, The Earth Is Only 6000 Years Old, The Jews Invented The Holocaust, The Moon Landings Were Faked, etc.
That's my reason. The question has been asked so many times and it's almost like they are pleading for us to go away. While there is an opposite view, the is always the opportunity for debate and I think the innocent side should embrace it, instead of agreeing with each other and frankly getting nowhere.
That's my reason. The question has been asked so many times and it's almost like they are pleading for us to go away. While there is an opposite view, the is always the opportunity for debate and I think the innocent side should embrace it, instead of agreeing with each other and frankly getting nowhere.
Do you think supporters don't generally like debating on forums? Just asking as a matter of interest.
I can understand people debating on forums even if they agree with the jury's verdict.If I was to start a thread to defend Myra Hindley as a misunderstood victim of Ian Brady’s who was coerced against her will to take part in the most heinous crimes against children and then proceeded to spend months and years on this forum posting my theories and defence of her, would you silently respect my views and allow me to continue unchallenged? Or would you find such behaviour quite morally reprehensible and feel obliged to speak up to say so?
I have no doubt that Myra Hindley was guilty, but , as a case study, she fascinates me, particularly her relationship with Ian Brady. I was never on a forum talking about her (don't even know if there were any), but I certainly read all manner of articles about her, and have also read quite a lot from her prison files at the National Archives.
It’s quite clear to me that the MAIN reason JB supporters and McCann sceptics post on here is to engage in debate with the opposite side. The opposition provides the traction against which they can hone and sharpen their arguments, and of course indulge in the their absolute favourite pastime - victim blaming.
I'm inclined to think, in the main, supporters prefer the company of each other and perhaps gravitate towards detractor-free spaces, which saves the need to explain themselves.................i was going to say that I don't think they're as solidly together as detractors. But I had second thoughts......... 8)--))
Do you think supporters don't generally like debating on forums? Just asking as a matter of interest.
If I was to start a thread to defend Myra Hindley as a misunderstood victim of Ian Brady’s who was coerced against her will to take part in the most heinous crimes against children and then proceeded to spend months and years on this forum posting my theories and defence of her, would you silently respect my views and allow me to continue unchallenged? Or would you find such behaviour quite morally reprehensible and feel obliged to speak up to say so?
For those who firmly believe JB guilty as charged why bother?
Some appear to get defensive and say words to the effect 'it's up to me how I spend my time'. Or bizzarely they will say something like 'I'm just correcting what supporters spout'.
It takes all sorts I guess. All the cases I've posted on here I either consider to be MOJ's: JB and Rettendon murders or the cases are unsolved: MM, murder of Jill Dando.
I couldn't be bothered to post on the Vincent Tabak thread as I believe him to be guilty as charged.
So can I ask what motivates those who firmly believe JB guilty as charged to continue posting.
The reason is very simple. Forums like the Jeremy Bamber forum promote lies and invent falsehoods constantly in order to influence public opinion in his favour. I for one will counter this propaganda wherever I can because apologists for these killers must not go unchallenged.
In the main no, otherwise why ask that question?
If I was to start a thread to defend Myra Hindley as a misunderstood victim of Ian Brady’s who was coerced against her will to take part in the most heinous crimes against children and then proceeded to spend months and years on this forum posting my theories and defence of her, would you silently respect my views and allow me to continue unchallenged? Or would you find such behaviour quite morally reprehensible and feel obliged to speak up to say so?
I would allow you free speech, and I think I 'd even have some respect for someone who dared defend Myra Hindley in any way, so long as I thought their motives for doing so were genuine.I really don’t know how you could respect anyone prepared to defend the indefensible, that does not compute to me.
And of course, I would challenge you!
I really don’t know how you could respect anyone prepared to defend the indefensible, that does not compute to me.
I would allow you free speech, and I think I 'd even have some respect for someone who dared defend Myra Hindley in any way, so long as I thought their motives for doing so were genuine.
And of course, I would challenge you!
I don't think anyone doubted Hindley's involvement. The likes of Lord Longford campaigned on the basis she was remorseful and reformed and deserved the opportunity for parole.
Has anyone read CAL's book re the Hindley?
I don't think anyone doubted Hindley's involvement. The likes of Lord Longford campaigned on the basis she was remorseful and reformed and deserved the opportunity for parole.Hi, could you help me by defining who CAL is please?
Has anyone read CAL's book re the Hindley?
Hi, could you help me by defining who CAL is please?
I have, and it is very good. "One of Your Own".
She also wrote a book about David Smith (Hindley's brother in law, who went to the police and spilled the beans). That is very good too. I think it's called "Evil Relations".
IMO, nobody doubts Hindley's involvement because the evidence against her was so sound.
Thanks. I've read a fair bit online about Hindley as I was curious as to what sort of background could give rise to such depravity. There's no doubt she was involved. Her voice was heard on the Lesley Ann Downey tape.
If you refer to my post on the subject I suggested that she could be defended on the basis that she herself was a victim of Brady’s who forced her to take part in the depravity. I’m sure someone sick enough could build such a case and defend it, after all there is an enormous mountain if evidence that the Nazis murdered 6 million Jews but still there are people who dispute this.
Indeed. That's what I meant by sound evidence.
Better than all that "circumstantial" stuff !
I have, and it is very good. "One of Your Own".
She also wrote a book about David Smith (Hindley's brother in law, who went to the police and spilled the beans). That is very good too. I think it's called "Evil Relations".
IMO, nobody doubts Hindley's involvement because the evidence against her was so sound.
THat wasn't the premise of the question.
Sorry, don't understand. What question?
I was replying to Holly, who asked me if I'd read CAL's book on Hindley.
If I was to start a thread to defend Myra Hindley as a misunderstood victim of Ian Brady’s who was coerced against her will to take part in the most heinous crimes against children and then proceeded to spend months and years on this forum posting my theories and defence of her, would you silently respect my views and allow me to continue unchallenged? Or would you find such behaviour quite morally reprehensible and feel obliged to speak up to say so?
This was the original question
Then everyone started going on about how no one thinks MH is innocent, but that wasn't the premise of the question. The subject matter could be anyone but if it was someone who you felt strongly was a murdering toe rag "would you silently respect my views and allow me to continue unchallenged? Or would you find such behaviour quite morally reprehensible and feel obliged to speak up to say so?"