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UK and North American politics. => A look at British politics in the light of the decision to leave the EU. => Topic started by: faithlilly on June 16, 2020, 11:17:53 AM

Title: Should the Conservatives Change it’s Mind on Free School Meal Vouchers ?
Post by: faithlilly on June 16, 2020, 11:17:53 AM
While both Scotland and Wales will be providing free meals for children over the summer holidays the Conservative government in England refuses to change it’s position. Is that position now untenable ?
Title: Re: Should the Conservatives Change it’s Mind on Free School Meal Vouchers ?
Post by: faithlilly on June 16, 2020, 03:10:21 PM
I think this has to be the shortest thread ever on the MoJ forum as it would appear that Johnson as changed his mind and children in need will now get free meal vouchers. Well done Marcus Rashford.
Title: Re: Should the Conservatives Change it’s Mind on Free School Meal Vouchers ?
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 16, 2020, 05:26:00 PM
How are free school meals going to be delivered to children who aren’t in school?
Title: Re: Should the Conservatives Change it’s Mind on Free School Meal Vouchers ?
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on June 16, 2020, 09:49:15 PM
How are free school meals going to be delivered to children who aren’t in school?

Some of Those children who qualify for free meals,are some of the most vulnerable children who's parents are under social care- the extra money always goes on drink drugs cigarettes etc..

It is truely heart breaking.
Title: Re: Should the Conservatives Change it’s Mind on Free School Meal Vouchers ?
Post by: faithlilly on June 16, 2020, 09:51:56 PM
Some of Those children who qualify for free meals,are some of the most vulnerable children who's parents are under social care- the extra money always goes on drink drugs cigarettes etc..

It is truely heart breaking.

And most aren’t....your point ?
Title: Re: Should the Conservatives Change it’s Mind on Free School Meal Vouchers ?
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on June 16, 2020, 10:00:15 PM
And most aren’t....your point ?

My POINT- not that I need to explain to you is- will the MOST VULNERABLE children who desperately need the meals actually get it. VS made the point about how would they get this food.  I Added my concern.

But as usual to make a  shoddy political point, you are trying to make it look as if we don't want the English children to have the same treatment- or supported the government in with holding the funds.

No pleasant at all.
  So I suggest you are very happy for the parents of very vulnerable children to be given their children's food money... Hmm
Title: Re: Should the Conservatives Change it’s Mind on Free School Meal Vouchers ?
Post by: faithlilly on June 16, 2020, 10:05:32 PM
My POINT- not that I need to explain to you is- will the MOST VULNERABLE children who desperately need the meals actually get it. VS made the point about how would they get this food.  I Added my concern.

But as usual to make a  shoddy political point, you are trying to make it look as if we don't want the English children to have the same treatment- or supported the government in with holding the funds.

No pleasant at all.
  So I suggest you are very happy for the parents of very vulnerable children to be given their children's food money... Hmm

As far as I’m aware parents will get a voucher lasting 6 weeks which they can spend in supermarkets.

And while I’m very unhappy with any child being the victim of their parent’s addictions that is no reason to punish other vulnerable families by denying them support.
Title: Re: Should the Conservatives Change it’s Mind on Free School Meal Vouchers ?
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 16, 2020, 10:09:40 PM
The voucher should only be valid to spend on vegetables (fresh, frozen and timned) , fruit, nuts, unprocessed meat and fish, brown bread, pulses and limited dairy produce.  IMO.
Title: Re: Should the Conservatives Change it’s Mind on Free School Meal Vouchers ?
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on June 16, 2020, 10:32:25 PM
As far as I’m aware parents will get a voucher lasting 6 weeks which they can spend in supermarkets.

And while I’m very unhappy with any child being the victim of their parent’s addictions that is no reason to punish other vulnerable families by denying them support.

I never asked the others to be punished and denied support. Those being fed are not my concern- I already said what my concern was. As a humanitarian I am correct to be concerned.
Title: Re: Should the Conservatives Change it’s Mind on Free School Meal Vouchers ?
Post by: faithlilly on June 16, 2020, 10:38:35 PM
I never asked the others to be punished and denied support. Those being fed are not my concern- I already said what my concern was. As a humanitarian I am correct to be concerned.

Then I’m confused...what is your concern ?
Title: Re: Should the Conservatives Change it’s Mind on Free School Meal Vouchers ?
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on June 16, 2020, 11:14:58 PM
Then I’m confused...what is your concern ?

From VS "How are free school meals going to be delivered to children who aren’t in school"

This is my concern!!! will the very vulnerable actually get the food.    I just can't believe you don't get that.
Title: Re: Should the Conservatives Change it’s Mind on Free School Meal Vouchers ?
Post by: faithlilly on June 16, 2020, 11:22:03 PM
From VS "How are free school meals going to be delivered to children who aren’t in school"

This is my concern!!! will the very vulnerable actually get the food.    I just can't believe you don't get that.

So now I’ve told you so you can rest easy.
Title: Re: Should the Conservatives Change it’s Mind on Free School Meal Vouchers ?
Post by: faithlilly on June 28, 2020, 09:34:04 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jun/28/pandemic-britain-hunger-boris-johnson
Title: Re: Should the Conservatives Change it’s Mind on Free School Meal Vouchers ?
Post by: faithlilly on July 12, 2020, 06:57:32 PM
Sometimes I am truly ashamed to be British.....and so glad to be a socialist.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/jul/12/cases-of-child-malnutrition-double-in-last-six-months
Title: Re: Should the Conservatives Change it’s Mind on Free School Meal Vouchers ?
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 12, 2020, 07:40:10 PM

If you can't feed them, don't breed them.

Or is that too simplistic?
Title: Re: Should the Conservatives Change it’s Mind on Free School Meal Vouchers ?
Post by: faithlilly on July 12, 2020, 07:44:35 PM
If you can't feed them, don't breed them.

Or is that too simplistic?

Yep too simplistic.....but then you really don’t believe it, do you ? It’s all about the reaction.
Title: Re: Should the Conservatives Change it’s Mind on Free School Meal Vouchers ?
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 12, 2020, 07:51:37 PM
Yep too simplistic.....but then you really don’t believe it, do you ? It’s all about the reaction.

No I kind of do believe it.

Kids are expensive. I don't think poor people should be allowed to have them.
Title: Re: Should the Conservatives Change it’s Mind on Free School Meal Vouchers ?
Post by: faithlilly on July 12, 2020, 08:11:21 PM
No I kind of do believe it.

Kids are expensive. I don't think poor people should be allowed to have them.

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Title: Re: Should the Conservatives Change it’s Mind on Free School Meal Vouchers ?
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on July 12, 2020, 09:57:55 PM
Very simplistic. there is not data to explain this 'food insecurity' situation. There has been an increase of child anxiety/depression. which has increased children presenting with eating disorders, which should not be included in figures- if they are any figures. If we know who and where these children are we can do something about it!

But all the left wing  socialist can do is talk about it and do nothing. Just point the finger and tut tut. The good news is more children are coming in to the country to add to the problem- take the food from the needy to give to the greedy. Refugee cake anyone?
Title: Re: Should the Conservatives Change it’s Mind on Free School Meal Vouchers ?
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on July 12, 2020, 10:14:44 PM
And how much of it is down to ignorance and bad eating habits?  Increasingly I’m hearing about children who have never been offered a fresh fruit or vegetable in their lives but these things are not expensive!  It would certainly be interesting to know more about all tbe reasons why there are malnourished children in this country.  I suspect poor parenting and neglect and a lack of proper education about a healthy diet will be a part of the problem.
Title: Re: Should the Conservatives Change it’s Mind on Free School Meal Vouchers ?
Post by: faithlilly on July 13, 2020, 12:26:27 AM
Very simplistic. there is not data to explain this 'food insecurity' situation. There has been an increase of child anxiety/depression. which has increased children presenting with eating disorders, which should not be included in figures- if they are any figures. If we know who and where these children are we can do something about it!

But all the left wing  socialist can do is talk about it and do nothing. Just point the finger and tut tut. The good news is more children are coming in to the country to add to the problem- take the food from the needy to give to the greedy. Refugee cake anyone?

If there are any figures ? Tin foil anyone ?
Title: Re: Should the Conservatives Change it’s Mind on Free School Meal Vouchers ?
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on July 13, 2020, 11:30:27 AM
If there are any figures ? Tin foil anyone ?

Stats from Foundations =noses in troughs=seeing public money=self serving lobbyists for more money.


The NHS send stats about all childrens welfare to government departments. There is no breakdown of the statistics- where did they come from?

The claim about it being due to families having no money to buy food is abhorant and incorrect.
Eggs, potatoes, flour,bread and fruit and  vegetables are all cheap and easy  to access. AND we have food banks for these so called 'starving'underfed children.

cheap shots. Perhaps those wonderful foundation 'workers' with a CEO, can work for free and give the money collected to these starving children they identify.  problem solved!  Next...
Title: Re: Should the Conservatives Change it’s Mind on Free School Meal Vouchers ?
Post by: faithlilly on July 13, 2020, 12:27:30 PM
Stats from Foundations =noses in troughs=seeing public money=self serving lobbyists for more money.


The NHS send stats about all childrens welfare to government departments. There is no breakdown of the statistics- where did they come from?

The claim about it being due to families having no money to buy food is abhorant and incorrect.
Eggs, potatoes, flour,bread and fruit and  vegetables are all cheap and easy  to access. AND we have food banks for these so called 'starving'underfed children.

cheap shots. Perhaps those wonderful foundation 'workers' with a CEO, can work for free and give the money collected to these starving children they identify.  problem solved!  Next...

A fact free post as ever. You are nothing if not consistent.

Enjoy your lunch.
Title: Re: Should the Conservatives Change it’s Mind on Free School Meal Vouchers ?
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on July 13, 2020, 12:47:37 PM
A fact free post as ever. You are nothing if not consistent.

Enjoy your lunch.

Fact free, so not foundations pushing their agenda,gathering the stats  to lobby for more money? OH OK if you say so  BUT,

https://foodfoundation.org.uk/about/

the stat people- plenty of them - hope they enjoy their lunch!

 A freedom of information would have given better results!
Title: Re: Should the Conservatives Change it’s Mind on Free School Meal Vouchers ?
Post by: faithlilly on July 13, 2020, 12:54:32 PM
Fact free, so not foundations pushing their agenda,gathering the stats  to lobby for more money? OH OK if you say so  BUT,

https://foodfoundation.org.uk/about/

the stat people- plenty of them - hope they enjoy their lunch!

 A freedom of information would have given better results!

Not sure of the point you are trying to make....but hey what’s new !
Title: Re: Should the Conservatives Change it’s Mind on Free School Meal Vouchers ?
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on July 13, 2020, 02:27:25 PM
Not sure of the point you are trying to make....but hey what’s new !

Of course you do. You just do not have a come back to challenge my posts. And that is OK.

You make sweeping statements to decry a Government whom you hate -fair enough- but in doing that you are giving a limited snapshot without any depth to be discussed.

The government is NOT responsible for  malnourished children. Parents are, and also illness can play a part(Anorexia nervosa). You have no argument on this one either, what's new?

If you want to and can be bothered, back up your argument -go seek FOI from the hospitals and ask for a breakdown of the stats!  I bet the social work are involved with the issues of these children. School nurses are monitoring neglect and or abuse in schools!
Title: Re: Should the Conservatives Change it’s Mind on Free School Meal Vouchers ?
Post by: faithlilly on July 13, 2020, 05:31:03 PM
Of course you do. You just do not have a come back to challenge my posts. And that is OK.

You make sweeping statements to decry a Government whom you hate -fair enough- but in doing that you are giving a limited snapshot without any depth to be discussed.

The government is NOT responsible for  malnourished children. Parents are, and also illness can play a part(Anorexia nervosa). You have no argument on this one either, what's new?

If you want to and can be bothered, back up your argument -go seek FOI from the hospitals and ask for a breakdown of the stats!  I bet the social work are involved with the issues of these children. School nurses are monitoring neglect and or abuse in schools!

Food poverty plays a major part in malnutrition. This is not about neglect and abuse.

https://www.endhungeruk.org/2019/02/07/uk-food-poverty-now-public-health-emergency/

https://www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/lords-select/food-pov-health-enviro-comm/news-parliament-2019/report-publication/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6079189/

Now



Title: Re: Should the Conservatives Change it’s Mind on Free School Meal Vouchers ?
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on July 13, 2020, 06:09:03 PM
Of course not the government is feeding poor kids throughout the Summer it will have to do so through every subsequent school holiday ad infinitum or risk being further maligned as wicked cruel child abusers.
Title: Re: Should the Conservatives Change it’s Mind on Free School Meal Vouchers ?
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on July 15, 2020, 10:17:19 PM
Food poverty plays a major part in malnutrition. This is not about neglect and abuse.

https://www.endhungeruk.org/2019/02/07/uk-food-poverty-now-public-health-emergency/

https://www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/lords-select/food-pov-health-enviro-comm/news-parliament-2019/report-publication/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6079189/

Now

" Food poverty plays a major part in malnutrition. This is not about neglect and abuse."


Really?
 let us put that to the test.

Myself ,husband and three children had this for food last Saturday.

Breakfast:  cereal-milk (£ 3.50) ,dollop of greek yogurt with strawberrys (tin)2.00                   cost £5.50
Lunch: home made carrot and coriander soup-home made bread with cheese  all ingredients   cost £2.60
Evening dinner, roast chicken,(4.50) cauliflower (95p) cheese sauce (home made)(cheese 1.50) lemon & parsley potatoes (75p loose)with peas (frozen bag for 1.20)

Total £17.00 

 The next day was left over day.
Breakfast used  from same cereal box,bought more milk 4 pt, used rest of yogurt with tin of pineapples

Lunch- used bones from chicken to make chicken sweetcorn soup with bread made on Sat.
Home made pancakes with home made jam

Supper Macaroni cheese(home made with same cheese block from sat) with onion topped with tomato and sweet potato (£1.00) chips (in oven)

Home made carrot cake using carrots from Saturday bag. lemon topping using greek yogurt.


No one was hungry. this is a family of 4. eating very well for two days! (My husband and I hate food wastage!)

Now if you spend your money on:

Packet of cigarettes? bingo? bookies?booze you will struggle to feed your family.

Home cooking- It is also a lot cheaper,and tastier than a gregs sausage roll and can of fizzy pop.


Your argument does not hold up. Malnutrition is all down to parental control of finances!