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Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: Robittybob1 on November 13, 2020, 02:17:22 PM

Title: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 13, 2020, 02:17:22 PM
Is it OK if we discuss Michael Tatschl?


"A man claiming to be the former best friend of Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner has told reporters: ‘I know he did it’. Michael Tatschl, speaking from his home in Austria, told several newspapers that the German paedophile accused of murdering Madeleine in Praia de Luz, Portugal, was ‘sick’ and ‘perverted’ and ‘more than capable of snatching a child’.


Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2020/06/22/christian-brueckners-former-best-friend-says-know-did-12884298/?ito=cbshare

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Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Anthro on November 13, 2020, 09:01:10 PM
Hi Rob, I find Michael Tatschl interesting. In my opinion, he could well be a legitimate character witness who may provide much insight into Christian Brückner’s life.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 13, 2020, 09:52:20 PM
I was thinking about the responses to your post that had CB and the two photos of young girls in it.
Does it matter how old someone is?  Is it OK to post details of Michael Tatschl on the forum?
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Eleanor on November 13, 2020, 10:16:16 PM
I was thinking about the responses to your post that had CB and the two photos of young girls in it.
Does it matter how old someone is?  Is it OK to post details of Michael Tatschl on the forum?

No reason to think not, Rob.  But probably better to avoid any Libel.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Brietta on November 14, 2020, 01:26:27 AM
I was thinking about the responses to your post that had CB and the two photos of young girls in it.
Does it matter how old someone is?  Is it OK to post details of Michael Tatschl on the forum?

As a friend he could give a fascinating insight into Brueckner's life if he can provide proof of what he says.  But to be a witness of any kind I think he is going to have to stop talking to the media and confine himself to speaking  exclusively to investigators about anything he thinks he can bring to the investigation.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 14, 2020, 05:45:43 AM
As a friend he could give a fascinating insight into Brueckner's life if he can provide proof of what he says.  But to be a witness of any kind I think he is going to have to stop talking to the media and confine himself to speaking  exclusively to investigators about anything he thinks he can bring to the investigation.
I have come across a Facebook friend of Michael Tatschl and it might be worth discussing what he has to say.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Brietta on November 14, 2020, 09:54:51 AM
I have come across a Facebook friend of Michael Tatschl and it might be worth discussing what he has to say.

I'm not up to speed with social media Rob.  So don't really have an opinion.  If we kept within certain parameters for example as Eleanor says, no libel of any kind, I don't see why not if it is already in the public domain.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 14, 2020, 10:25:24 AM
I'm not up to speed with social media Rob.  So don't really have an opinion.  If we kept within certain parameters for example as Eleanor says, no libel of any kind, I don't see why not if it is already in the public domain.
Neither am I.  There are so many other sites we could be on.   I was on Facebook and then started a Facebook group.   But it has gone really quiet and I wonder where everyone is.   Maybe Tik Tok and Instagram are the places to be. 

But I see anyone can search Facebook for Michael Tatschl and it takes you here https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100005817287211

Most posts seem to have something to do with dope.   Is it legalised in Spain?
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 14, 2020, 10:35:28 AM
Now this member of the group wrote 2 comments which I have no way of verifying as to their truthfulness.  But here's what he wrote  (some bits are edited out)

"I live in very in the same Spanish town, Orgiva, Granada, near Portugal, where the prime suspects' friend and partner in crime lives too. Here's his private Facebook page. It appears we are 'mutual friends. I sent him a request for an interview several months ago, but have not received any response."

"Scary! I've tried endlessly to attract attention but almost everyone here, in Orgiva, where this guy lives, seems to be a criminal, on the run. I'm enemy number one and in real, increasing danger of actual harm. I've been 'home invaded' and assaulted twice, in my home, in just three years.
Not to mention, I was strangled in the street with 30 witnesses! And the local judiciary laugh. Literally. The mayor too. They have withheld the verdict for over 18 months!
-They are perverted s..m, actually perverting the course of justice - deliberately putting me in real harm's way."

It sounds like the Wild West living in that town.  Could Spain have such areas?   I'm sure there are places like that even in NZ.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: barrier on November 14, 2020, 10:50:23 AM
Now this member of the group wrote 2 comments which I have no way of verifying as to their truthfulness.  But here's what he wrote  (some bits are edited out)

"I live in very in the same Spanish town, Orgiva, Granada, near Portugal, where the prime suspects' friend and partner in crime lives too. Here's his private Facebook page. It appears we are 'mutual friends. I sent him a request for an interview several months ago, but have not received any response."

"Scary! I've tried endlessly to attract attention but almost everyone here, in Orgiva, where this guy lives, seems to be a criminal, on the run. I'm enemy number one and in real, increasing danger of actual harm. I've been 'home invaded' and assaulted twice, in my home, in just three years.
Not to mention, I was strangled in the street with 30 witnesses! And the local judiciary laugh. Literally. The mayor too. They have withheld the verdict for over 18 months!
-They are perverted s..m, actually perverting the course of justice - deliberately putting me in real harm's way."

It sounds like the Wild West living in that town.  Could Spain have such areas?   I'm sure there are places like that even in NZ.
The reasons for believing this without some kind of corroboration, is?
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: jassi on November 14, 2020, 11:09:47 AM
The reasons for believing this without some kind of corroboration, is?

Couldn't this be applied to a lot of stuff on Facebook?
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Mr Gray on November 14, 2020, 11:25:22 AM
Looks odd. When he was announced as the prime  suspect he was in prison so how could he be living in this town
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: sadie on November 14, 2020, 11:46:59 AM
The reasons for believing this without some kind of corroboration, is?

If you are a sleuth, which I believe Rob is, you don't have to necessarily believe it. 

But you do need to have a look at it and put it 'on the back burner' in case anything else interesting about Orgiva, or anyone living there, comes up later in your research. 

That may be a way forward. 

Well done Rob.   You are making the effort which so many sceptics refuse to do.  Take no notice of them.


Think out of "The box".   So much research has been done by various Police Forces within "The box" that it is less likely that anything new can be found using traditional methods.   Spread your investigation; think laterally.  You could well find some things that are important, as Anthro and I did.

Just my suggestion, but it worked for me and Anthro.   Maybe for others as well.

Good luck with anything you find.

sadie x
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: G-Unit on November 14, 2020, 01:10:34 PM
Now this member of the group wrote 2 comments which I have no way of verifying as to their truthfulness.  But here's what he wrote  (some bits are edited out)

"I live in very in the same Spanish town, Orgiva, Granada, near Portugal, where the prime suspects' friend and partner in crime lives too. Here's his private Facebook page. It appears we are 'mutual friends. I sent him a request for an interview several months ago, but have not received any response."

"Scary! I've tried endlessly to attract attention but almost everyone here, in Orgiva, where this guy lives, seems to be a criminal, on the run. I'm enemy number one and in real, increasing danger of actual harm. I've been 'home invaded' and assaulted twice, in my home, in just three years.
Not to mention, I was strangled in the street with 30 witnesses! And the local judiciary laugh. Literally. The mayor too. They have withheld the verdict for over 18 months!
-They are perverted s..m, actually perverting the course of justice - deliberately putting me in real harm's way."

It sounds like the Wild West living in that town.  Could Spain have such areas?   I'm sure there are places like that even in NZ.

There seems to be some kind of hippy community around there, according to the Olive Press;

https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2017/10/14/long-read-hanging-with-andalucias-most-notorious-hippie-commune-to-see-if-they-spread-more-than-peace-and-love/

According to Tatschl, CB visited him there during one of these festivals;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skpHfc5t8lE

Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Eleanor on November 14, 2020, 01:32:16 PM
There seems to be some kind of hippy community around there, according to the Olive Press;

https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2017/10/14/long-read-hanging-with-andalucias-most-notorious-hippie-commune-to-see-if-they-spread-more-than-peace-and-love/

According to Tatschl, CB visited him there during one of these festivals;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skpHfc5t8lE

More Unproven Rumours, no doubt.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 14, 2020, 04:06:45 PM
The reasons for believing this without some kind of corroboration, is?
It starts with the disclaimer "Now this member of the group wrote 2 comments which I have no way of verifying as to their truthfulness."

I'm hoping someone on the forum knows more than I do.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 14, 2020, 04:09:42 PM
Looks odd. When he was announced as the prime  suspect he was in prison so how could he be living in this town
It is this guy talking about Michael Tatschl.   Christian B hasn't come into the story as yet. 
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Anthro on November 14, 2020, 08:49:21 PM
Within weeks of three-year-old Madeleine’s abduction Christian B followed him to Orgiva, Andalucia.

Tatschl said: “In late May or early June he arrived in Spain with his big American camper van. He knew I had connections to the marijuana world and could help him make money.

“We just thought he was a pervert but didn’t think he liked young children.”
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11919717/best-pal-madeleine-mccann-christian-b-guilty/
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Mr Gray on November 14, 2020, 08:57:24 PM
Within weeks of three-year-old Madeleine’s abduction Christian B followed him to Orgiva, Andalucia.

Tatschl said: “In late May or early June he arrived in Spain with his big American camper van. He knew I had connections to the marijuana world and could help him make money.

“We just thought he was a pervert but didn’t think he liked young children.”
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11919717/best-pal-madeleine-mccann-christian-b-guilty/
so he arrived in Spain..late May, early june. Who saw him and what was he doing between may 3 and his arrival in Spain. Did any of his friends see him?
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Anthro on November 14, 2020, 09:07:29 PM
so he arrived in Spain..late May, early june. Who saw him and what was he doing between may 3 and his arrival in Spain. Did any of his friends see him?
Hi Davel, I also want to know. Apparently a Winnebago is fairly expensive and his friends commented on that. As far as I know, he went back to Germany during late May 2007. I need to confirm this with a citation, which I will do tomorrow.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Eleanor on November 14, 2020, 09:19:44 PM
Hi Davel, I also want to know. Apparently a Winnebago is fairly expensive and his friends commented on that. As far as I know, he went back to Germany during late May 2007. I need to confirm this with a citation, which I will do tomorrow.

I think that I read that as well, but I can't remember where.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: G-Unit on November 14, 2020, 09:30:39 PM
Within weeks of three-year-old Madeleine’s abduction Christian B followed him to Orgiva, Andalucia.

Tatschl said: “In late May or early June he arrived in Spain with his big American camper van. He knew I had connections to the marijuana world and could help him make money.

“We just thought he was a pervert but didn’t think he liked young children.”
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11919717/best-pal-madeleine-mccann-christian-b-guilty/

Was that the same big American camper van he was allegedly driving in Foral?

"in the early part of 2007 when Brueckner arrived in a large cream-coloured Winnebago campervan with Hanover licence plates."
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8418063/Prime-suspect-Madeleine-McCann-abduction-boasted-transport-children-campervan.html

Wasn't it about then he was allegedly driving (and living in) a yellow and white camper van? How many vehicles did he have, and why didn't the police include the Winnebego in their appeal?
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Anthro on November 14, 2020, 09:43:49 PM
Was that the same big American camper van he was allegedly driving in Foral?

"in the early part of 2007 when Brueckner arrived in a large cream-coloured Winnebago campervan with Hanover licence plates."
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8418063/Prime-suspect-Madeleine-McCann-abduction-boasted-transport-children-campervan.html

Wasn't it about then he was allegedly driving (and living in) a yellow and white camper van? How many vehicles did he have, and why didn't the police include the Winnebego in their appeal?
I think so, since Nicole Fehlinger’s father, Dieter said Brückner told him he could hide drugs and small children in his vehicle. He had access to many vehicles and his friend from Foral who owned a scrapyard at the time, Bernard Piro, borrowed him the white with yellow campervan. The Winnebago was found in Germany, Neuwegersleben where Brückner  used to live when German police were investigating Inga Gehricke’s murder case.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: G-Unit on November 14, 2020, 09:59:44 PM
I think so, since Nicole Fehlinger’s father, Dieter said Brückner told him he could hide drugs and small children in his vehicle. He had access to many vehicles and his friend from Foral who owned a scrapyard at the time, Bernard Piro, borrowed him the white with yellow campervan. The Winnebago was found in Germany, Neuwegersleben where Brückner  used to live when German police were investigating Inga Gehricke’s murder case.

So while people were wondering if they saw a yellow and white camper van he could have been driving a Winnebago? Seems like the German police overlooked that possibility in their appeal.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Brietta on November 15, 2020, 12:28:35 AM


"When I saw the (NETFLIX) documentary, a few days before the police questioned me, I immediately knew that he was guilty," he reiterated. "When a female tourist talked about a man appearing at her door while her son was playing on the floor in front of the door - the description being that of a scary man with acne and blond hair - I knew it was Christian."
Michael Tatschl, now the father of a child, explained that the last time he was in Portugal was in February 2007, just a few months before Madeleine's disappearance. “I returned to Praia da Luz in February 2007 and found Christian camped near the city. He was loving it and I think he sold drugs. I stayed with him for a while and then I returned to Spain ”.

https://magg.sapo.pt/atualidade/artigos/sei-que-foi-ele-amigo-do-suspeito-de-raptar-maddie-nao-tem-duvidas-sobre-o-seu-envolvimento
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: faithlilly on November 15, 2020, 01:11:21 AM

"When I saw the (NETFLIX) documentary, a few days before the police questioned me, I immediately knew that he was guilty," he reiterated. "When a female tourist talked about a man appearing at her door while her son was playing on the floor in front of the door - the description being that of a scary man with acne and blond hair - I knew it was Christian."
Michael Tatschl, now the father of a child, explained that the last time he was in Portugal was in February 2007, just a few months before Madeleine's disappearance. “I returned to Praia da Luz in February 2007 and found Christian camped near the city. He was loving it and I think he sold drugs. I stayed with him for a while and then I returned to Spain ”.

https://magg.sapo.pt/atualidade/artigos/sei-que-foi-ele-amigo-do-suspeito-de-raptar-maddie-nao-tem-duvidas-sobre-o-seu-envolvimento

I can’t find any mention of this incident. Do you have a cite ?
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 15, 2020, 01:25:11 AM
I can’t find any mention of this incident. Do you have a cite ?
From what I read so far is I think Michael Tatschl suffers from bad memory.   There was the incident with the English lady who was approached by a man who was pretending to be an orphanage collector.  I was thinking of Gail Cooper, but there appears to have been another as per this article.  https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/510625/Police-told-conman-tried-to-take-girl-weeks-before-Maddie

Gail Cooper doesn't describe CB.  http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GAIL_COOPER.htm

Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 15, 2020, 01:38:14 AM
Was that the same big American camper van he was allegedly driving in Foral?

"in the early part of 2007 when Brueckner arrived in a large cream-coloured Winnebago campervan with Hanover licence plates."
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8418063/Prime-suspect-Madeleine-McCann-abduction-boasted-transport-children-campervan.html

Wasn't it about then he was allegedly driving (and living in) a yellow and white camper van? How many vehicles did he have, and why didn't the police include the Winnebego in their appeal?

It sounds like CB had the Winnebago in late 2006 yet Michael mentions it in May 2007.  "Brueckner was always on the dark web and he’d talk about selling kids. In late May 2007 he turned up in an expensive van. I wondered at the time where he had got the money..."
https://www.magzter.com/article/Newspaper/Daily-Mirror/I-think-he-sold-Maddie

The recollections don't seem to match.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 15, 2020, 09:55:00 AM
"Van used by suspect in Madeleine McCann case ‘sold for scrap’"  https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/18530238.van-used-suspect-madeleine-mccann-case-sold-scrap/

There was a Bedford van as well as the VW one.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: faithlilly on November 15, 2020, 10:26:16 AM
From what I read so far is I think Michael Tatschl suffers from bad memory.   There was the incident with the English lady who was approached by a man who was pretending to be an orphanage collector.  I was thinking of Gail Cooper, but there appears to have been another as per this article.  https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/510625/Police-told-conman-tried-to-take-girl-weeks-before-Maddie

Gail Cooper doesn't describe CB.  http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GAIL_COOPER.htm

Thank you Rob, that’s the only two I could find and neither describe a blond man with a pockmarked face. Perhaps Brietta could clarify ?
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Anthro on November 15, 2020, 12:58:07 PM
From what I read so far is I think Michael Tatschl suffers from bad memory.   There was the incident with the English lady who was approached by a man who was pretending to be an orphanage collector.  I was thinking of Gail Cooper, but there appears to have been another as per this article.  https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/510625/Police-told-conman-tried-to-take-girl-weeks-before-Maddie

Gail Cooper doesn't describe CB.  http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GAIL_COOPER.htm

Unless, Brückner used a wig and props discovered at his residence.

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Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: G-Unit on November 15, 2020, 12:59:27 PM
Thank you Rob, that’s the only two I could find and neither describe a blond man with a pockmarked face. Perhaps Brietta could clarify ?

It seems the makers of the Netflix series found someone who told the tale to them. Perhaps it was Summers and Swan, who saw it as "the single most important new piece of information in our book.” Although they never spoke to the woman, just to a friend of hers.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/510625/Police-told-conman-tried-to-take-girl-weeks-before-Maddie
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: faithlilly on November 15, 2020, 01:11:56 PM
Unless, Brückner used a wig and props discovered at his residence.

What point are your photos trying to make ?
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Anthro on November 15, 2020, 01:19:29 PM
What point are your photos trying to make ?
Don’t you think there is a resemblance between Brückner and the Cooper e-fit?
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Brietta on November 15, 2020, 01:39:26 PM
Unless, Brückner used a wig and props discovered at his residence.

The teeth certainly appeared to make an impression on the witness.  I believe that Brueckner had some orthodontic work carried out at a later date so it is possible that in the intervening period he had some corrective device fitted which drew attention to his teeth.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: faithlilly on November 15, 2020, 01:57:07 PM
Don’t you think there is a resemblance between Brückner and the Cooper e-fit?

Not in the slightest. Further there is no connection between the Cooper efit and Madeleine’s disappearance.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: faithlilly on November 15, 2020, 01:58:03 PM
The teeth certainly appeared to make an impression on the witness.  I believe that Brueckner had some orthodontic work carried out at a later date so it is possible that in the intervening period he had some corrective device fitted which drew attention to his teeth.

Ah good you’re here Brietta...perhaps you can provide that cite I asked for ?

Perhaps instead of issuing me with a warning Brietta you’d kindly provide a cite as per forum rules ?
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: G-Unit on November 15, 2020, 02:03:03 PM
Don’t you think there is a resemblance between Brückner and the Cooper e-fit?

They both seem to be males and that's the only resemblance imo.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Anthro on November 15, 2020, 02:27:24 PM
Not in the slightest. Further there is no connection between the Cooper efit and Madeleine’s disappearance.
The nose, the nasolabial lines, the mouth and the teeth all seem to be very similar. My opinion.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: faithlilly on November 15, 2020, 02:30:08 PM
The nose, the nasolabial lines, the mouth and the teeth all seem to be very similar. My opinion.

But not mine.

Could you explain the connection between a man that was seen two weeks before the McCanns arrived in Portugal and Madeleine’s disappearance because I’m at a loss in how to connect the two ?
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Anthro on November 15, 2020, 02:30:12 PM
They both seem to be males and that's the only resemblance imo.
Add to that the fact that Brückner’s girlfriend at the time Nicole F, was running an orphanage for troubled German children at Foral. Cooperman said he was collecting for an orphanage in Espiche.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Anthro on November 15, 2020, 02:33:48 PM
But not mine.

Could you explain the connection between a man that was seen two weeks before the McCanns arrived in Portugal and Madeleine’s disappearance because I’m at a loss in how to connect the two ?
Fair enough. Not everyone has facial recognition skills. The two men may be the same person or not. Like you, I don’t know.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: faithlilly on November 15, 2020, 02:34:58 PM
Add to that the fact that Brückner’s girlfriend at the time Nicole F, was running an orphanage for troubled German children at Foral. Cooperman said he was collecting for an orphanage in Espiche.

I thought the orphanage story was a cover and there was no orphanage in Espiche ?
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Brietta on November 15, 2020, 02:38:11 PM
Don’t you think there is a resemblance between Brückner and the Cooper e-fit?
(https://i0.wp.com/i2-prod.dailyrecord.co.uk/incoming/article22241959.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/0_Christian-Brueckner-picture.jpg?w=696&ssl=1)
A young Christian Brueckner image from the 1990s    (Image: The Daily Express)

I think either Brueckner has a very full bottom lip in this image or he has very prominent teeth mirroring the efit.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Anthro on November 15, 2020, 02:45:10 PM
I thought the orphanage story was a cover and there was no orphanage in Espiche ?
Yes, but also consider that Brückner’s farmhouse is only about 1.5 km from Espiche.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: faithlilly on November 15, 2020, 02:47:07 PM
Fair enough. Not everyone has facial recognition skills. The two men may be the same person or not. Like you, I don’t know.

You don’t need to have good facial recognition skills to see there is no similarity between Bruckner and the artist’s impression of the man Copper saw...a man for which there is not a scintilla of evidence connecting him to Madeleine’s disappearance.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: faithlilly on November 15, 2020, 02:48:33 PM
Yes, but also consider that Brückner’s farmhouse is only about 1.5 km from Espiche.

Did Brueckner’s girlfriend run the orphanage from his house ?
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Eleanor on November 15, 2020, 02:50:45 PM
Did Brueckner’s girlfriend run the orphanage from his house ?

Gosh.  Did she?
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: faithlilly on November 15, 2020, 02:53:11 PM
Gosh.  Did she?

I don’t know...that’s why I’m asking.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Anthro on November 15, 2020, 04:13:34 PM
I don’t know...that’s why I’m asking.
She ran it from Foral where Brückner stayed on the property in his Winnebago.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: faithlilly on November 15, 2020, 04:27:13 PM
She ran it from Foral where Brückner stayed on the property in his Winnebago.

So not from his farmhouse?
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on November 15, 2020, 05:16:19 PM
She ran it from Foral where Brückner stayed on the property in his Winnebago.
I wonder if it was the same orphanage that the so-called charity collector was referencing when he was out collecting cash from Ocean Club holiday makers...
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: sadie on November 15, 2020, 06:15:40 PM
Gosh.  Did she?

Soz, but no, that was about 40 miles away in Foral IIRC
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 15, 2020, 07:43:19 PM
Did Brueckner’s girlfriend run the orphanage from his house ?
Did Brueckner’s girlfriend run the orphanage?   I just can't quite get my mind around this one yet.  This guy who is possibly a pedophile has a girlfriend who runs an orphanage.  Is that true?  How come Michael Tatschl never mentioned that?
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: sadie on November 15, 2020, 07:45:55 PM
Unless, Brückner used a wig and props discovered at his residence.

For some reason Anthro, your comparison photos haven't carried over, but they were shown in your post  Today at 12:58:07 PM

Let's not forget that these are sketches compared to photos, and we cant expect sketches of a person not actually viewed by the artist to be perfect

The eyebrows are altogether different, But comparing the top left hand photo of Bruckner to the bottom right hand sketch of Cooperman:

1)  Both have long slim faces
2)  Both have fairly long slim noses
3)  Their lips are dead ringers, width, length and shape wise.
4)  There is a likeness between their teeth


I suggest, on the back boiler with it, Anthro, you never know with the photo being compared to only a quick rough sketch drawn by someone ( good artist) who drew it from description only.  8((()*/
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: sadie on November 15, 2020, 08:00:52 PM
Did Brueckner’s girlfriend run the orphanage?   I just can't quite get my mind around this one yet.  This guy who is possibly a pedophile has a girlfriend who runs an orphanage.  Is that true?  How come Michael Tatschl never mentioned that?

Yep.

Foral and that orphanage are another story IMO.

Interesting thoughts here. 

1)  Barbed wire surrounding the place
2)  Video directions on how to reach there, which don't make sense to me., when it is only about a hundred yards from the restaurant where Bruckner worked (from memory and on the same main road).   
The video appears to me to be disinformation, taking the eye right off where that orphanage is … and it took me several days to find the wretched place.   I think I looked at every villa in a 4 or five mile circle before I found it


Oh and a couple or so more things that have made me look more closely, but I haven't the time now and whilst the above thoughts plus others are quite pertinent they don't necessarily make the place what I am wondering if it is.

Just my wonderings, may or may not be right.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 15, 2020, 08:05:10 PM
Did Brueckner’s girlfriend run the orphanage?   I just can't quite get my mind around this one yet.  This guy who is possibly a pedophile has a girlfriend who runs an orphanage.  Is that true?  How come Michael Tatschl never mentioned that?
There might be some truth to that "Fehlinger, who was looking after troubled children as part of a German fostering programme, added: ‘He came into the house sometimes – for something to eat and to watch over the children."
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8536519/Pictured-Girlfriend-accomplice-McCann-suspect-seen-time-unmasked.html

"Nicole Fehlinger, 43, was last night revealed as the German drifter’s accomplice"
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Anthro on November 15, 2020, 08:10:12 PM
Did Brueckner’s girlfriend run the orphanage?   I just can't quite get my mind around this one yet.  This guy who is possibly a pedophile has a girlfriend who runs an orphanage.  Is that true?  How come Michael Tatschl never mentioned that?
Yes, Rob. Subsidised German youths were sent to her at Foral. A girl with the name of Lina once escaped and Brückner was sent to find her, which he eventually did, with her in the presence of Ukrainians/Russians.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: jassi on November 15, 2020, 08:11:40 PM
Yes, Rob. Subsidised German youths were sent to her at Foral. A girl with the name of Lina once escaped and Brückner was sent to find her, which he eventually did, with her in the presence of Ukrainians/Russians.

That sounds interesting. What is the source ?
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: faithlilly on November 15, 2020, 08:13:26 PM
Yes, Rob. Subsidised German youths were sent to her at Foral. A girl with the name of Lina once escaped and Brückner was sent to find her, which he eventually did, with her in the presence of Ukrainians/Russians.

So the orphanage was nowhere near Brueckner’s farmhouse or indeed Espiche ?
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Anthro on November 15, 2020, 08:15:26 PM
That sounds interesting. What is the source ?
Sandra Felgueiras from RTP, Portugal uncovered this.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on November 15, 2020, 08:17:58 PM
Less than an hour from PdL
https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2020/06/08/exclusivve-footage-of-property-where-paedophile-and-suspect-christian-breuckner-lived-in-the-months-after-madeleine-mccann-disappeared-from-portugal/
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: faithlilly on November 15, 2020, 08:22:36 PM
Sandra Felgueiras from RTP, Portugal uncovered this.

Was it not public knowledge?
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 15, 2020, 09:13:11 PM
So the orphanage was nowhere near Brueckner’s farmhouse or indeed Espiche ?
It was something akin to an orphanage.   "Nicole Fehlinger, 43," where did she work?
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: faithlilly on November 15, 2020, 09:15:44 PM
It was something akin to an orphanage.   "Nicole Fehlinger, 43," where did she work?

It was but it was nowhere near Brueckner’s farmhouse.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 15, 2020, 10:19:50 PM
It was but it was nowhere near Brueckner’s farmhouse.
If he had a Jaguar car distance isn't a problem.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: sadie on November 15, 2020, 10:20:44 PM
Less than an hour from PdL
https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2020/06/08/exclusivve-footage-of-property-where-paedophile-and-suspect-christian-breuckner-lived-in-the-months-after-madeleine-mccann-disappeared-from-portugal/

Part of the video "showing" the route to Bruckners home in Foral is shown on this video.   However the most important part showing the actual approach to the villa and the villa itself have been deleted/removed.

Once again important details that help identify Villa Bianca have been deleted.   I wonder why?

This case could be solved, IMO, by just checking out all the things that have been deleted or altered on the internet


Does anyone have the video originally released showing the complete route, please ?
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: sadie on November 15, 2020, 10:23:42 PM
It was something akin to an orphanage.   "Nicole Fehlinger, 43," where did she work?

I think that she worked at the German Childrens Home Villa in Foral, where she lived, but that needs confirming.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Myster on November 16, 2020, 04:06:15 AM
Part of the video "showing" the route to Bruckners home in Foral is shown on this video.   However the most important part showing the actual approach to the villa and the villa itself have been deleted/removed.

Once again important details that help identify Villa Bianca have been deleted.   I wonder why?

This case could be solved, IMO, by just checking out all the things that have been deleted or altered on the internet


Does anyone have the video originally released showing the complete route, please ?
ORLY (not the airport)... Your paranoia is playing up again!   Nothing has been deleted from the video because it never existed in the first place.  You could easily find it on Google Earth if you so wished, I'm sure.

The only other detailed video of the Villa Bianca, owned by Lia Silva, and interviews with her former tenants is this one, 10:45 minutes in...

https://www.rtp.pt/play/p6596/e481786/sexta-as-9 (https://www.rtp.pt/play/p6596/e481786/sexta-as-9)
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Myster on November 16, 2020, 05:10:41 AM
Here it is, the Villa Bianca (former "children's home"), Foral, Portugal...

https://www.google.com/maps/@37.1931569,-8.2565046,180a,35y,140.46h/data=!3m1!1e3 (https://www.google.com/maps/@37.1931569,-8.2565046,180a,35y,140.46h/data=!3m1!1e3)

https://www.google.com/maps/@37.1935073,-8.2564567,3a,60y,156.25h,88.42t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1swLZ0hiocWrCw9JefoqtzmA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@37.1935073,-8.2564567,3a,60y,156.25h,88.42t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1swLZ0hiocWrCw9JefoqtzmA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: barrier on November 16, 2020, 06:29:16 AM
If he had a Jaguar car distance isn't a problem.
What's so special about a Jag and distances?
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 16, 2020, 07:17:40 AM
What's so special about a Jag and distances?
Nothing, but it is still a solution.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Mr Gray on November 16, 2020, 07:44:26 AM
Nothing, but it is still a solution.

Great cars..the old XJ
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 16, 2020, 07:53:28 AM
Great cars..the old XJ
Even better if you can get free petrol.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: barrier on November 16, 2020, 10:54:15 AM
It was but it was nowhere near Brueckner’s farmhouse.

If he had a Jaguar car distance isn't a problem.

What's so special about a Jag and distances?

Nothing, but it is still a solution.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 16, 2020, 10:58:17 AM
Hey Barrier, what I do have a problem with is how come Michael Tatschl, even though he says he is Christian B's best friend, has yet to mention "Nicole Fehlinger, 43,"!

Has anyone noticed that discrepancy?   Or am I wrong?
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Mr Gray on November 16, 2020, 12:50:35 PM
Posts disappearing...strange
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 16, 2020, 04:58:56 PM
Posts disappearing...strange
At least the thread hasn't disappeared yet.   We'll recover.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Mr Gray on November 16, 2020, 05:52:49 PM
At least the thread hasn't disappeared yet.   We'll recover.

I think someone didn't like me mentioning I had an XJ6 and a Daimler Sovereign.. both a couple of years old when I bought them. They lose a fortune in value in the first couple of years so a two year old one is fantastic value...but now a bygone age.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: faithlilly on November 16, 2020, 06:10:19 PM
I think someone didn't like me mentioning I had an XJ6 and a Daimler Sovereign.. both a couple of years old when I bought them. They lose a fortune in value in the first couple of years so a two year old one is fantastic value...but now a bygone age.

Is that an accusation you can substantiate ? If not it should be removed.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Mr Gray on November 16, 2020, 06:15:27 PM
Is that an accusation you can substantiate ? If not it should be removed.
Thanks for making me laugh..a certain senior mod was online when it was removed..one of your posts quoting it removed too

Might have a photo of my wife standing next to car...would that do
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 16, 2020, 07:18:33 PM
Thanks for making me laugh..a certain senior mod was online when it was removed..one of your posts quoting it removed too

Might have a photo of my wife standing next to car...would that do
Did you ever meet up with Christain B or Michael Tatschl at a classic car rally?  What about a swap meet?

swap meet
nounNORTH AMERICAN
1.
a gathering at which enthusiasts or collectors trade or exchange items of common interest.
"a computer swap meet"
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on November 16, 2020, 07:48:39 PM
Did Brueckner’s girlfriend run the orphanage?   I just can't quite get my mind around this one yet.  This guy who is possibly a pedophile has a girlfriend who runs an orphanage.  Is that true?  How come Michael Tatschl never mentioned that?

Michael 'best friend'  could probably share his interest in abducting and raping children? otherwise why not go to the police that day.  His motives to Me are very suspect. 

Have the children at the orphanage bEen delicately questioned about CB?
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Mr Gray on November 16, 2020, 07:54:40 PM
Michael 'best friend'  could probably share his interest in abducting and raping children? otherwise why not go to the police that day.  His motives to Me are very suspect. 

Have the children at the orphanage bEen delicately questioned about CB?

Michael dosent say CB admitted to any abduction or rape of children
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on November 16, 2020, 08:26:21 PM
Michael dosent say CB admitted to any abduction or rape of children


I never said he did.  He is claiming CB is involved in some way is he not?
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Mr Gray on November 16, 2020, 08:29:16 PM

I never said he did.  He is claiming CB is involved in some way is he not?

I think thats what you thought judging by what you said your husband said....and judging by the fact you sugggested he might too be involved in child abuse.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on November 16, 2020, 08:41:31 PM
I think thats what you thought judging by what you said your husband said....and judging by the fact you sugggested he might too be involved in child abuse.

Yes, I see what you mean.  My husband was talking generally, if that subject came up as 'banter' or inappropriate chat- he would dissociate  with that person/s.

  Which we have done with one person who attached themselves to or social group.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: faithlilly on November 16, 2020, 09:03:49 PM
Thanks for making me laugh..a certain senior mod was online when it was removed..one of your posts quoting it removed too

Might have a photo of my wife standing next to car...would that do

Have you been at the tippex again ? Either prove that a certain mod removed your post or withdraw the accusation.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Mr Gray on November 16, 2020, 09:06:27 PM
Have you been at the tippex again ? Either prove that a certain mod removed your post or withdraw the accusation.

I can prove it on the balance of probabilities...which as this is not a criminal case should suffice
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Angelo222 on November 16, 2020, 09:10:03 PM
I like your avatar barrier 👍
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: faithlilly on November 16, 2020, 09:10:31 PM
I can prove it on the balance of probabilities...which as this is not a criminal case should suffice

Off you go then...oh but before you do can I remind you that Brietta hides her on line status.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Mr Gray on November 16, 2020, 09:15:10 PM
Off you go then...oh but before you do can I remind you that Brietta hides her on line status.

you need to read my post again...it reads I can ...not I will. I'm sure brietta doesnt have  a problem with my daimler

Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: faithlilly on November 16, 2020, 09:43:48 PM
you need to read my post again...it reads I can ...not I will. I'm sure brietta doesnt have  a problem with my daimler

Prove your accusation or withdraw it.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Mr Gray on November 16, 2020, 09:49:16 PM
Prove your accusation or withdraw it.

You need to understand..you don't make the rules...so I will do neither
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 16, 2020, 09:54:28 PM

I never said he did.  He is claiming CB is involved in some way is he not?
I think this question is more on topic than a lot of the other comments.  What does Michael Tatschl actually say against Christian B?
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Mr Gray on November 16, 2020, 09:57:12 PM
I think this question is more on topic than a lot of the other comments.  What does Michael Tatschl actually say against Christian B?
I think most of us who have followed the case understand what he said...he certainly doesn't say CB admitted it to him
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: faithlilly on November 16, 2020, 10:03:56 PM
You need to understand..you don't make the rules...so I will do neither

A ‘certain’ mod and Brietta in her bunker...you can’t prove it. Fair enough.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Mr Gray on November 16, 2020, 10:06:39 PM
A ‘certain’ mod and Brietta in her bunker...you can’t prove it. Fair enough.
If it was important I would...but you are not..fair enough
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Eleanor on November 16, 2020, 10:07:14 PM
"Reply To Deleted Comment."

Not a lot to be done about those.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: faithlilly on November 16, 2020, 10:49:18 PM
If it was important I would...but you are not..fair enough

Your MO is transparent..make a claim, be unable to substantiate it, call the poster who questions you illogical, unimportant (........) insert insult here. It’s becoming tiresome.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: faithlilly on November 16, 2020, 10:50:46 PM
"Reply To Deleted Comment."

Not a lot to be done about those.

I’ve been really surprised at the lack of loyalty amongst mods in the last few months.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Eleanor on November 16, 2020, 10:57:53 PM
I’ve been really surprised at the lack of loyalty amongst mods in the last few months.

My comment was entirely in support of Mods.  We all have to cope with Replies to Deleted Comments.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: faithlilly on November 16, 2020, 11:06:18 PM
My comment was entirely in support of Mods.  We all have to cope with Replies to Deleted Comments.

This still stands

‘Thanks for making me laugh..a certain senior mod was online when it was removed..one of your posts quoting it removed too’

Now I don’t know who it relates to ( although not Brietta as she does not display her online status ) but I would have thought that in fairness to all mods it should have been removed.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on November 16, 2020, 11:08:54 PM
^^^yawn^^^ Does anyone understand this particular tantrum?  It’s not like Davel was accusing anyone of wanting Madeleine to have suffered at the hands if a vicious paedophile or anything.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 16, 2020, 11:13:55 PM
I’ve been really surprised at the lack of loyalty amongst mods in the last few months.
Moderators should really work independently without bias IMO.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: faithlilly on November 16, 2020, 11:20:11 PM
Moderators should really work independently without bias IMO.

In my opinion too Rob.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 16, 2020, 11:21:30 PM
I'd like to see what does Michael Tatschl actually says against Christian B?

Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: faithlilly on November 16, 2020, 11:26:25 PM
I'd like to see what does Michael Tatschl actually says against Christian B?

Especially the comments he hasn’t been remunerated for.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: G-Unit on November 16, 2020, 11:31:13 PM
I think someone didn't like me mentioning I had an XJ6 and a Daimler Sovereign.. both a couple of years old when I bought them. They lose a fortune in value in the first couple of years so a two year old one is fantastic value...but now a bygone age.

My brother-in-law still has his gold Daimler Sovereign. It attracts attention that's for sure.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 17, 2020, 01:15:11 AM
I think someone didn't like me mentioning I had an XJ6 and a Daimler Sovereign.. both a couple of years old when I bought them. They lose a fortune in value in the first couple of years so a two year old one is fantastic value...but now a bygone age.
Do you still have them?
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: barrier on November 17, 2020, 06:23:22 AM
I'd like to see what does Michael Tatschl actually says against Christian B?
They'll only carry any weight in a court under oath.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Myster on November 17, 2020, 06:41:34 AM
Do you still have them?
Going for a song these days... https://www.carandclassic.co.uk/cat/3/5/sovereign/ (https://www.carandclassic.co.uk/cat/3/5/sovereign/)
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 17, 2020, 06:57:17 AM
They'll only carry any weight in a court under oath.
That may be so but do any of them have any value as they stand?

"The former best friend of the man suspected of abducting Madeleine McCann says he is sure that the German paedophile took the young girl."

OK how come he is so sure?

"Michael Tatschl, an Austrian drifter who lived with Christian Brückner in Portugal said he has sat down with police and told them all about his “sick” and “perverted” friend, who used to brag about his criminal exploits.

Now, he has urged Brückner to “admit it to the police and close it for good”." 

Yes that's likely to happen isn't it!


""I know he did it,” he claims.

“I was living with him at the time. He was my best friend and he was definitely a pervert and more than capable of snatching a child, for sexual kicks or money.

"I was sure it was him the minute the police came to find me in Austria.

"They were very clear with me from the first minute. They said 'we are investigating Maddie McCann and Christian Brückner’ and I told them I knew it already. I was convinced it was him.”"

And when was it the police first came looking for him?  Was that in 2007?

"Things changed when he watched an eight-part series on the McCann case in March last year.

"When I saw the Netflix documentary I knew immediately that he was guilty." 

He only knew in 2019!  That doesn't sound right IMO.

https://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/world/interview-christian-br%C3%BCckner-was-my-best-friend-im-sure-he-took-madeleine-mccann/ar-BB15OfVc?li=BBr5KbJ







Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Mr Gray on November 17, 2020, 08:31:06 AM
That may be so but do any of them have any value as they stand?

"The former best friend of the man suspected of abducting Madeleine McCann says he is sure that the German paedophile took the young girl."

OK how come he is so sure?

"Michael Tatschl, an Austrian drifter who lived with Christian Brückner in Portugal said he has sat down with police and told them all about his “sick” and “perverted” friend, who used to brag about his criminal exploits.

Now, he has urged Brückner to “admit it to the police and close it for good”." 

Yes that's likely to happen isn't it!


""I know he did it,” he claims.

“I was living with him at the time. He was my best friend and he was definitely a pervert and more than capable of snatching a child, for sexual kicks or money.

"I was sure it was him the minute the police came to find me in Austria.

"They were very clear with me from the first minute. They said 'we are investigating Maddie McCann and Christian Brückner’ and I told them I knew it already. I was convinced it was him.”"

And when was it the police first came looking for him?  Was that in 2007?

"Things changed when he watched an eight-part series on the McCann case in March last year.

"When I saw the Netflix documentary I knew immediately that he was guilty." 

He only knew in 2019!  That doesn't sound right IMO.

https://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/world/interview-christian-br%C3%BCckner-was-my-best-friend-im-sure-he-took-madeleine-mccann/ar-BB15OfVc?li=BBr5KbJ

In the article he says the visit in Austria was in April last year...that's just after the Netflix programme
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 17, 2020, 09:41:09 AM
In the article he says the visit in Austria was in April last year...that's just after the Netflix programme
I would think if he was sure he would have known about it from the time it happened not 12 years after the event.
Can anyone recall what was in the Netflix documentary that would make Michael feel the finger was being pointed at Christian B?
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Mr Gray on November 17, 2020, 09:53:25 AM
I would think if he was sure he would have known about it from the time it happened not 12 years after the event.
Can anyone recall what was in the Netflix documentary that would make Michael feel the finger was being pointed at Christian B?

That's just your opinion.. I think it's something that has to be considered. In the article it says he didn't realise he was into children
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 17, 2020, 09:58:11 AM
That's just your opinion.. I think it's something that has to be considered. In the article it says he didn't realise he was into children
Then why does he point the finger at Christian B?  It doesn't seem logical.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Eleanor on November 17, 2020, 10:04:12 AM

What is the definition of a Pervert?
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Mr Gray on November 17, 2020, 10:24:36 AM
Then why does he point the finger at Christian B?  It doesn't seem logical.

Seems perfectly logical to me
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 17, 2020, 10:29:54 AM
Seems perfectly logical to me
Can you explain it then stepwise please?

Did Netflix say the police were looking at a German suspect?   If they did Christian B would be one of several hundred Germans in the Algarve area.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Mr Gray on November 17, 2020, 11:16:57 AM
Can you explain it then stepwise please?

Did Netflix say the police were looking at a German suspect?   If they did Christian B would be one of several hundred Germans in the Algarve area.
Sorry Rob lifes too short....the police interviewed him for two days...we only have a short newspaper article. Need to wait and see what happens

AFAIAC....His views on the CB's guilt is of minor importannce to te police. Whats important is if he can help establish where CB was around the time of the abduction....and if he knows of others who can help establish his whereabouts
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Brietta on November 17, 2020, 11:58:30 AM
Then why does he point the finger at Christian B?  It doesn't seem logical.
I don't think Brueckner would have been advertising the fact that he is a paedophile to most of his friends.  It is possible that after watching the documentary things just dropped into place as far as Tatschi is concerned and the visit from the police asking about Madeleine rather than bemusing him confirmed what he had begun to suspect.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 17, 2020, 05:23:37 PM
Sorry Rob lifes too short....the police interviewed him for two days...we only have a short newspaper article. Need to wait and see what happens

AFAIAC....His views on the CB's guilt is of minor importannce to te police. Whats important is if he can help establish where CB was around the time of the abduction....and if he knows of others who can help establish his whereabouts
If the police interviewed him for 2 days, you'd think the pressure was on him, they might have approached it along the line "we know it was you, own up and get it off your chest".
So I think the forum needs to know when did this interview take place?  Was it before or after the Netflix documentary?

I'll change the words you've used "What's important is if he can establish where he (Michael Tatschl) was around the time of the abduction....and if he knows of others who can help establish his whereabouts".
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Mr Gray on November 17, 2020, 05:43:06 PM
If the police interviewed him for 2 days, you'd think the pressure was on him, they might have approached it along the line "we know it was you, own up and get it off your chest".
So I think the forum needs to know when did this interview take place?  Was it before or after the Netflix documentary?

I'll change the words you've used "What's important is if he can establish where he (Michael Tatschl) was around the time of the abduction....and if he knows of others who can help establish his whereabouts".

All your opinion...you should make that clear
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 17, 2020, 05:50:21 PM
All your opinion...you should make that clear
Well I did.  I used the phrases "you'd think" and "I think" more than once.  Clearly an opinion piece.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 17, 2020, 06:03:00 PM
I don't think Brueckner would have been advertising the fact that he is a paedophile to most of his friends.  It is possible that after watching the documentary things just dropped into place as far as Tatschi is concerned and the visit from the police asking about Madeleine rather than bemusing him confirmed what he had begun to suspect.
So I think the forum needs to know when did this interview take place?  Was it before or after the Netflix documentary?
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Mr Gray on November 17, 2020, 06:17:49 PM
So I think the forum needs to know when did this interview take place?  Was it before or after the Netflix documentary?

from the article it was in april 19...after
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 17, 2020, 06:49:43 PM
from the artocle it was in april 19...after
Do you mean April 2019?

"In an extraordinary interview with the Telegraph, Michael Tatschl, an Austrian drifter who lived with Christian Brückner in Portugal said he has sat down with police and told them all about his “sick” and “perverted” friend, who used to brag about his criminal exploits."

"I was sure it was him the minute the police came to find me in Austria."

"The property in question is a farmhouse just outside Praia da Luz which Brückner rented from a British man. Neighbours said he used to race down the dusty gravel track in his Jaguar and have heated shouting matches with a string of girlfriends. Tatschl said Brückner was in a relationship with a German woman 20 years his senior at the time.

Is that a reference to "Nicole Fehlinger, 43?  [Tatschl said Brückner was in a relationship with a German woman 20 years his senior at the time.]


""Things changed when he watched an eight-part series on the McCann case in March last year.

"When I saw the Netflix documentary I knew immediately that he was guilty."

So did I get that right?

1. Netflix documentary March 2019

2. Police interview "It was the first week of April last year and they had me in the police station from 10am to 6pm on the first day and then from 10 am until 4pm the next day."

3. Talking to the press  Date of article "Jamie Johnson, Jon Clarke  22/06/2020"

Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Mr Gray on November 17, 2020, 06:51:48 PM
Do you mean April 2019?

"In an extraordinary interview with the Telegraph, Michael Tatschl, an Austrian drifter who lived with Christian Brückner in Portugal said he has sat down with police and told them all about his “sick” and “perverted” friend, who used to brag about his criminal exploits."

"I was sure it was him the minute the police came to find me in Austria."

"The property in question is a farmhouse just outside Praia da Luz which Brückner rented from a British man. Neighbours said he used to race down the dusty gravel track in his Jaguar and have heated shouting matches with a string of girlfriends. Tatschl said Brückner was in a relationship with a German woman 20 years his senior at the time.

Is that a reference to "Nicole Fehlinger, 43?  [Tatschl said Brückner was in a relationship with a German woman 20 years his senior at the time.]


""Things changed when he watched an eight-part series on the McCann case in March last year.

"When I saw the Netflix documentary I knew immediately that he was guilty."

So did I get that right?

1. Netflix documentary March 2019

2. Police interview "It was the first week of April last year and they had me in the police station from 10am to 6pm on the first day and then from 10 am until 4pm the next day."

3. Talking to the press  Date of article "Jamie Johnson, Jon Clarke  22/06/2020"

yes april 19
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 17, 2020, 08:01:19 PM
yes april 19
So did the police track him down in Austria or was it Tatschl who rang the police with information?   Seems very coincidental that they speak to him just a month after Tatschl coming to the idea that it could be Christian B involved after watching the Netflix documentary the month before.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Mr Gray on November 17, 2020, 08:03:26 PM
So did the police track him down in Austria or was it Tatschl who rang the police with information?   Seems very coincidental that they speak to him just a month after Tatschl coming to the idea that it could be Christian B involved after watching the Netflix documentary the month before.

it doent matter...its the information he agve that matters.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 17, 2020, 08:07:17 PM
it doent matter...its the information he agve that matters.
If he knew anything of importance you'd think the police would have asked him to not say anything to the media.

"Nicole Fehlinger, 43   
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: sadie on November 17, 2020, 10:59:08 PM
ORLY (not the airport)... Your paranoia is playing up again!  Nothing has been deleted from the video because it never existed in the first place. You could easily find it on Google Earth if you so wished, I'm sure.

The only other detailed video of the Villa Bianca, owned by Lia Silva, and interviews with her former tenants is this one, 10:45 minutes in...

https://www.rtp.pt/play/p6596/e481786/sexta-as-9 (https://www.rtp.pt/play/p6596/e481786/sexta-as-9)

I can assure you that the original video supposedly showing the route by road to Villa Blanca took you further than the present day video and you could see the villa comlete with a Lombardy Poplar tree and surroundings before the video stopped running.  The version showed recently on here stops before Vila Blanca comes into sight. 
As it is not clear where the car trip in the video starts it was virtually impossible to locate the villa from it.  The natural thing to expect was that the video started somewhere in the centre of the village, which appeared to be near the O Farel restaurant.

From there the video took a somewhat winding path along country lanes, for at least a mile and possibly 2 miles in my estimation, until it reached the Villa.  It doesn't actually reach either the villa nor explain where the starting point was.   So unless very familiar with every twist and turn of the lanes (of which there are an abundance), it is impossible to find.



Having spent many hours searching for it, mainly in a circular band about 1 - 2 miles outside the centre of Foral,
I happened upon the villa by accident when I was having a good look at the restaurant where Bruckner worked as a waiter.  The Villa is positioned 230 yards to th eeast of the restaurant and on the opposite side of the road.
If you want to see the agressive security tops to the railings and gates, I suggest that you start on G Earth street scene  about 260 metres past the restaurant in an easterly direction.

Then come back steadily until you can just see the high Fence, gates + entrance.    Why would they need sure agressive barriers on a childrens home?
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: sadie on November 17, 2020, 11:05:18 PM
ORLY (not the airport)... Your paranoia is playing up again!   Nothing has been deleted from the video because it never existed in the first place.  You could easily find it on Google Earth if you so wished, I'm sure.

The only other detailed video of the Villa Bianca, owned by Lia Silva, and interviews with her former tenants is this one, 10:45 minutes in...

https://www.rtp.pt/play/p6596/e481786/sexta-as-9 (https://www.rtp.pt/play/p6596/e481786/sexta-as-9)

Excellent video, but what a pity that it is not in English throughout.  Thanks Myster.

Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: G-Unit on November 17, 2020, 11:15:54 PM
Excellent video, but what a pity that it is not in English throughout.  Thanks Myster.

Yes, a video made in Portugal by a Portuguese TV company for a Portuguese audience and they spoke Portuguese, not English. How selfish of them.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: sadie on November 17, 2020, 11:21:48 PM
Posts disappearing...strange

I am noticing that too.   I wonder why they are going?
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Eleanor on November 18, 2020, 01:54:02 AM
I am noticing that too.   I wonder why they are going?

Largely due to Replies to Deleted Comments.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Eleanor on November 18, 2020, 01:59:30 AM
Yes, a video made in Portugal by a Portuguese TV company for a Portuguese audience and they spoke Portuguese, not English. How selfish of them.

So not to be trusted.  Especially when it concerns a German suspect that The PJ couldn't even be bothered to investigate.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: G-Unit on November 18, 2020, 08:15:26 AM
So not to be trusted.  Especially when it concerns a German suspect that The PJ couldn't even be bothered to investigate.

I thought Sandra was now a trusted source. "Couldn't be bothered"? Allegedly, unless there's a cite, of course.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Eleanor on November 18, 2020, 08:38:28 AM

It'll be another one of those unproven rumours I expect.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Brietta on November 18, 2020, 10:05:24 AM
It'll be another one of those unproven rumours I expect.

Sooooo many of them.  Back in the day I believe it was "from a source close to the PJ" which seems to have transmogrified to "from a retired PJ inspector".
Mind you Sandra Felgueiras is no longer using such sources any longer as she was lied to by one of them in the past..
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 18, 2020, 10:14:13 AM
Sooooo many of them.  Back in the day I believe it was "from a source close to the PJ" which seems to have transmogrified to "from a retired PJ inspector".
Mind you Sandra Felgueiras is no longer using such sources any longer as she was lied to by one of them in the past..
  transmogrified - transformed in a surprising or magical manner.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Brietta on November 18, 2020, 10:35:45 AM
  transmogrified - transformed in a surprising or magical manner.

Don't you find it 'surprising and magical' that the Portuguese media haven't proscribed publicising misinformation from proven liars after all these years?

Don't you recall the short haired Brueckner's transmogrification to a dreadlocked hippie http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11585.msg603839#msg603839   by one such.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: faithlilly on November 18, 2020, 03:24:52 PM
Sooooo many of them.  Back in the day I believe it was "from a source close to the PJ" which seems to have transmogrified to "from a retired PJ inspector".
Mind you Sandra Felgueiras is no longer using such sources any longer as she was lied to by one of them in the past..

No she seems to have hitched her career to another dead donkey.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on November 18, 2020, 03:46:46 PM
Haha, such bitterness towards the very attractive and highly intelligent Sandra F is always a joy to behold.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 18, 2020, 05:46:47 PM
Don't you find it 'surprising and magical' that the Portuguese media haven't proscribed publicising misinformation from proven liars after all these years?

Don't you recall the short haired Brueckner's transmogrification to a dreadlocked hippie http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11585.msg603839#msg603839   by one such.
Someone must have their dates wrong.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 18, 2020, 06:15:40 PM
I wonder if the informant isn't Tatschl again.  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8962299/Madeleine-McCann-police-search-new-property-Hanover-sniffer-dogs.html

CB is said to be 43 years old so 13 years ago he would have been 30.   CB was going out with someone who was said to be 20 years his senior.   So is Nichole 63 years old now? 

The person described by Tatschl can't have been Nichole Fehlinger if the details in this article are correct:
"But pictured today outside her home in Bavaria, Germany, the 43-year-old refused to deny any involvement in Madeleine’s disappearance or to clarify her relationship with Brueckner - after her claims she hardly knew him were exposed as being untrue."
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8536519/Pictured-Girlfriend-accomplice-McCann-suspect-seen-time-unmasked.html
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/07/18/16/30913706-8536519-Nicole_Fehlinger_43_pictured_outside_her_home_in_Bavaria_Germany-a-2_1595087604767.jpg)

 
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: barrier on November 18, 2020, 06:31:09 PM
I wonder if the informant isn't Tatschl again.  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8962299/Madeleine-McCann-police-search-new-property-Hanover-sniffer-dogs.html

CB is said to be 43 years old so 13 years ago he would have been 30.   CB was going out with someone who was said to be 20 years his senior.   So is Nichole 63 years old now? 

The person described by Tatschl can't have been Nichole Fehlinger if the details in this article are correct:
"But pictured today outside her home in Bavaria, Germany, the 43-year-old refused to deny any involvement in Madeleine’s disappearance or to clarify her relationship with Brueckner - after her claims she hardly knew him were exposed as being untrue."
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8536519/Pictured-Girlfriend-accomplice-McCann-suspect-seen-time-unmasked.html
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/07/18/16/30913706-8536519-Nicole_Fehlinger_43_pictured_outside_her_home_in_Bavaria_Germany-a-2_1595087604767.jpg)

Bolded bit, if it is, he's leeding them on a wild goose chase it seems.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 18, 2020, 06:36:19 PM
Bolded bit, if it is, he's leeding them on a wild goose chase it seems.
That is what I was thinking too.   Bruckner and Tatschl were partners in crime and were in prison together for stealing petrol etc.  Why would Tatschl snitch on Bruckner?
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Anthro on November 18, 2020, 06:55:21 PM
That is what I was thinking too.   Bruckner and Tatschl were partners in crime and were in prison together for stealing petrol etc.  Why would Tatschl snitch on Bruckner?
Hi Rob, I think Tatschl has explained that he is also a parent now and engaged to the child’s mother. I wonder if the section in the Netflix documentary where three witnesses describe a blond man/men surveilling the McCann apartment, was the trigger for Tatschl to come forward?
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Mr Gray on November 18, 2020, 06:58:29 PM
Hi Rob, I think Tatschl has explained that he is also a parent now and engaged to the child’s mother. I wonder if the section in the Netflix documentary where three witnesses describe a blond man/men surveilling the McCann apartment, was the trigger for Tatschl to come forward?

I think he said a smuch in the article rob linked to
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 18, 2020, 07:02:28 PM
Hi Rob, I think Tatschl has explained that he is also a parent now and engaged to the child’s mother. I wonder if the section in the Netflix documentary where three witnesses describe a blond man/men surveilling the McCann apartment, was the trigger for Tatschl to come forward?
Are you a Netflix subscriber?  I did for a while but have stopped now so I can't recheck what was said. 

I think he said as much in the article rob linked to
But what has he said that convinces you he is being truthful?  In most cases, I'd say the best for Tatschl would be to stay quiet and say nothing at all.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Anthro on November 18, 2020, 07:26:49 PM
Are you a Netflix subscriber?  I did for a while but have stopped now so I can't recheck what was said. 
But what has he said that convinces you he is being truthful?  In most cases, I'd say the best for Tatschl would be to stay quiet and say nothing at all.
I am a subscriber and the documentary is still available. Tell me what to check and I’ll let you know.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Mr Gray on November 18, 2020, 07:27:36 PM
Are you a Netflix subscriber?  I did for a while but have stopped now so I can't recheck what was said. 
But what has he said that convinces you he is being truthful?  In most cases, I'd say the best for Tatschl would be to stay quiet and say nothing at all.

why should he lie about susch a small detail. Theres lots that suggests hes truthfull...you and others will not agree..no problem.

Ive said for years stranger abduction was the most probable and I think it will be proven
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: faithlilly on November 18, 2020, 08:44:09 PM
why should he lie about susch a small detail. Theres lots that suggests hes truthfull...you and others will not agree..no problem.

Ive said for years stranger abduction was the most probable and I think it will be proven

Maybe it was a quid pro quo? Perhaps he had been picked up for some illicit behaviour, he is a criminal after all, and made a deal with the police ? After all they would know he was friends with Brueckner and, if it is true that they’ve had Brueckner in their sights since 2017, this might have been the perfect opportunity to nail him.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 18, 2020, 09:09:29 PM
I am a subscriber and the documentary is still available. Tell me what to check and I’ll let you know.
I was just thinking what it would be in the Netflix documentary that made Tatschl think it was Christian B who was around the Tapas Restaurant and apartments beyond it being anyone else? 

Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 18, 2020, 09:13:28 PM
why should he lie about susch a small detail. Theres lots that suggests hes truthfull...you and others will not agree..no problem.

Ive said for years stranger abduction was the most probable and I think it will be proven
You'd really need to be a bit more specific than just saying "There are lots that suggest he's truthful".   I'm looking for facts.

Why should he lie?   That depends on how involved he was with CB.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 18, 2020, 09:16:13 PM
Quid pro quo ("something for something" in Latin) is a Latin phrase used in English to mean an exchange of goods or services, in which one transfer is contingent upon the other; "a favor for a favor".
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: faithlilly on November 18, 2020, 09:24:50 PM
Quid pro quo ("something for something" in Latin) is a Latin phrase used in English to mean an exchange of goods or services, in which one transfer is contingent upon the other; "a favor for a favor".

Exactly. Tatschi gives the police ‘information’ and in return they make evidence of wrongdoing disappear.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 18, 2020, 09:45:45 PM
Exactly. Tatschi gives the police ‘information’ and in return they make evidence of wrongdoing disappear.
Theoretically, this is possible.   If you recall right from the beginning I enquired if it was possible to discuss "Michael Tatschl"  and we were warned not to venture into libel.

We mustn't say this is a fact.   We can't even have an opinion that " Tatschl gives the police ‘information’ and in return they make evidence of wrongdoing disappear."  Both would be libelous unless the idea was discussed as a theoretical possibility.

I'm afraid all the work I've done to present this thread will be lost if we develop this theory any further. 

Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: faithlilly on November 18, 2020, 10:01:34 PM
Theoretically, this is possible.   If you recall right from the beginning I enquired if it was possible to discuss "Michael Tatschl"  and we were warned not to venture into libel.

We mustn't say this is a fact.   We can't even have an opinion that " Tatschl gives the police ‘information’ and in return they make evidence of wrongdoing disappear."  Both would be libelous unless the idea was discussed as a theoretical possibility.

I'm afraid all the work I've done to present this thread will be lost if we develop this theory any further.

Imo it is a theoretical possibility...

Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 18, 2020, 10:05:37 PM
Imo it is a theoretical possibility...

There is a level above the moderators.   
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: faithlilly on November 18, 2020, 11:11:12 PM
There is a level above the moderators.

Does the level above have any training in libel law ?

Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on November 18, 2020, 11:32:14 PM
Erm, why would the Germans want to frame CB for the abduction and murder of a British child who went missing in Portugal?
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: barrier on November 19, 2020, 06:03:33 AM
Erm, why would the Germans want to frame CB for the abduction and murder of a British child who went missing in Portugal?
Why use the term frame, if latest press reports are a bellwether imo the BKA have been sold a pup, one report suggest they acted upon less than solid Intel to under go a search of property,whether this Intel came from the guy in relation to the thread title is another matter.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on November 19, 2020, 07:13:50 AM
Why use the term frame, if latest press reports are a bellwether imo the BKA have been sold a pup, one report suggest they acted upon less than solid Intel to under go a search of property,whether this Intel came from the guy in relation to the thread title is another matter.
Have you not been following the discussion on this thread, immediately prior to my comment?  Apparently The Germans incentivised A witness to lie by offering to turn a blind eye to his own crimes.  Sounds like they are determined to pin it on CB no matter what.  The question I posed is why?
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Mr Gray on November 19, 2020, 08:02:36 AM
Have you not been following the discussion on this thread, immediately prior to my comment?  Apparently The Germans incentivised A witness to lie by offering to turn a blind eye to his own crimes.  Sounds like they are determined to pin it on CB no matter what.  The question I posed is why?

All he has said publicly is he thinks CB is guilty. If he was dishonest he could claim CB had confessed to him
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Eleanor on November 19, 2020, 09:00:24 AM
Theoretically, this is possible.   If you recall right from the beginning I enquired if it was possible to discuss "Michael Tatschl"  and we were warned not to venture into libel.

We mustn't say this is a fact.   We can't even have an opinion that " Tatschl gives the police ‘information’ and in return they make evidence of wrongdoing disappear."  Both would be libelous unless the idea was discussed as a theoretical possibility.

I'm afraid all the work I've done to present this thread will be lost if we develop this theory any further.

The use of some question marks might help?
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 19, 2020, 10:14:17 AM
All he has said publicly is he thinks CB is guilty. If he was dishonest he could claim CB had confessed to him
And say nothing for 13 years?
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Mr Gray on November 19, 2020, 10:40:12 AM
And say nothing for 13 years?

He's explained why...he wasn't aware of CBs interest in children until later and it was the Netflix doc that made him think CB was involved. I think you are barking....up the wrong tree
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 19, 2020, 10:48:42 AM
He's explained why...he wasn't aware of CBs interest in children until later and it was the Netflix doc that made him think CB was involved. I think you are barking....up the wrong tree

You say "he wasn't aware of CBs interest in children until later", so help me understand when that knowledge came to Michael Tatschl?

I could imagine they might have shared the photos that CB is said to have had.  That is an interesting theoretical possibility.  Does Tatschl admit to seeing CB's photo collection?
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Mr Gray on November 19, 2020, 10:53:25 AM
You say "he wasn't aware of CBs interest in children until later", so help me understand when that knowledge came to Michael Tatschl?

I could imagine they might have shared the photos that CB is said to have had.  That is an interesting theoretical possibility.  Does Tatschl admit to seeing CB's photo collection?
Your whole theory is based on speculation and nothing more..I'm not interested in exploring any of it
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Brietta on November 19, 2020, 11:05:45 AM
He's explained why...he wasn't aware of CBs interest in children until later and it was the Netflix doc that made him think CB was involved. I think you are barking....up the wrong tree
I think you are spot on in that post, Davel.

I doubt very much that Brueckner's friends and acquaintances had the slightest inkling of just how perverse his interests actually were ~ even those who were criminals themselves.
I think anyone who had close contact with Brueckner would be anxious to put a lot of distance between themselves and him as the implications of knowing him sank in when he was publicly unmasked.

I would be very surprised if Tatschl hasn't already been checked out by the police ~ that is their job after all ~ and I don't think it is for us to second guess them.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: faithlilly on November 19, 2020, 11:22:02 AM
And say nothing for 13 years?

Indeed.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on November 19, 2020, 01:37:38 PM
And say nothing for 13 years?
CB need not have confessed 13 years ago, he could have confessed to him 13 months ago and it would still have made a compelling story .
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Brietta on November 19, 2020, 01:43:44 PM
CB need not have confessed 13 years ago, he could have confessed to him 13 months ago and it would still have made a compelling story .

I believe it was Brueckner's reaction to the McCann tenth anniversary German TV broadcast which caused some people to flag him up to the German police in the first instance.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on November 19, 2020, 02:11:29 PM
I believe it was Brueckner's reaction to the McCann tenth anniversary German TV broadcast which caused some people to flag him up to the German police in the first instance.
Davel was suggesting that if Michael Tatschi was making it all up in order to have his own crimes overlooked that he could have gone the whole hog and told the police that CB confessed to him but he didn't.  All he has done is offer a view of the man, and for this he is being smeared as a liar on this thread.  Par for the course, as his negative views are not about the McCanns.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: misty on November 19, 2020, 02:21:54 PM
One has to wonder why Tatschl paid such close attention to the Netflix documentary in the first place. He had reportedly already left Portugal by the time Madeleine disappeared & was not spoken to by police until after the documentary aired in 2019. Rather like Brueckner, he appears to have had an exceptional interest in what happened to a little English girl IMO.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/06/21/interviewchristian-bruckner-best-friend-sure-took-madeleine/
*snipped*
"The part where the female tourist talked about the man turning up at her door while her child played by the front door, the creepy guy with acne and blonde hair. I just knew it was Christian for sure.”

Days later, police arrived at Tatschl’s front door.

“I had two Austrian police and two German Police turn up at my house. I was then taken to the police station where I told them my story over 14 hours.

"It was the first week of April last year and they had me in the police station from 10am to 6pm on the first day and then from 10 am until 4pm the next day.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 19, 2020, 04:11:55 PM
Your whole theory is based on speculation and nothing more..I'm not interested in exploring any of it
It was you who wrote "he wasn't aware of CB's interest in children until later", not me.  I don't have a theory about Michael Tatschl as yet, as I'm still trying to work him out.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: faithlilly on November 19, 2020, 04:18:09 PM
I think you are spot on in that post, Davel.

I doubt very much that Brueckner's friends and acquaintances had the slightest inkling of just how perverse his interests actually were ~ even those who were criminals themselves.
I think anyone who had close contact with Brueckner would be anxious to put a lot of distance between themselves and him as the implications of knowing him sank in when he was publicly unmasked.

I would be very surprised if Tatschl hasn't already been checked out by the police ~ that is their job after all ~ and I don't think it is for us to second guess them.

I’m sure it wasn’t hard for Taschi to be checked out by the police. He was a career criminal after all.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 19, 2020, 04:25:00 PM
CB need not have confessed 13 years ago, he could have confessed to him 13 months ago and it would still have made a compelling story .
OK but what does Tatschl say?  When did they last meet?
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 19, 2020, 04:32:22 PM
I believe it was Brueckner's reaction to the McCann tenth anniversary German TV broadcast which caused some people to flag him up to the German police in the first instance.
Was that just instinct or do you have some insight to "Brueckner's reaction to the McCann tenth anniversary German TV broadcast"?
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 19, 2020, 04:36:43 PM
Davel was suggesting that if Michael Tatschi was making it all up in order to have his own crimes overlooked that he could have gone the whole hog and told the police that CB confessed to him but he didn't.  All he has done is offer a view of the man, and for this he is being smeared as a liar on this thread.  Par for the course, as his negative views are not about the McCanns.
All I'm trying to work out is how did Tatschl come by such a negative view of his once best friend?
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Mr Gray on November 19, 2020, 04:39:15 PM
All I'm trying to work out is how did Tatschl come by such a negative view of his once best friend?

When he found out about the rape perhaps
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Eleanor on November 19, 2020, 04:40:47 PM
All I'm trying to work out is how did Tatschl come by such a negative view of his once best friend?

Michael Tatschi stated that he knew that Brueckner was a pervert, so what sort of pervert did he think Brueckner was?

What is a Pervert?
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 19, 2020, 04:44:12 PM
One has to wonder why Tatschl paid such close attention to the Netflix documentary in the first place. He had reportedly already left Portugal by the time Madeleine disappeared & was not spoken to by police until after the documentary aired in 2019. Rather like Brueckner, he appears to have had an exceptional interest in what happened to a little English girl IMO.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/06/21/interviewchristian-bruckner-best-friend-sure-took-madeleine/
*snipped*
"The part where the female tourist talked about the man turning up at her door while her child played by the front door, the creepy guy with acne and blonde hair. I just knew it was Christian for sure.”

Days later, police arrived at Tatschl’s front door.

“I had two Austrian police and two German Police turn up at my house. I was then taken to the police station where I told them my story over 14 hours.

"It was the first week of April last year and they had me in the police station from 10am to 6pm on the first day and then from 10 am until 4pm the next day.

Well, who do you think that person was Misty?  "the female tourist talked about the man turning up at her door while her child played by the front door,"  Who was that female tourist and how did Netflix get to know about her?   Was she one mentioned in the PJ files?
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 19, 2020, 04:48:09 PM
I’m sure it wasn’t hard for Taschi to be checked out by the police. He was a career criminal after all.
He is coming across as now reformed but when you read his Facebook page there is a strong indication that dope is still a major part of his life.   Some places have decriminalised marijuana so without a bit of research I could easily get the wrong impression.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 19, 2020, 04:55:29 PM
When he found out about the rape perhaps
I'll have to check if there was only one rape and when did they happen?  It is tempting to think Tatschl came across that video of the rape.   How do you video a rape in any case?   If the camera is handheld that leaves only one free hand.
Has that ever happened before or since?
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Mr Gray on November 19, 2020, 04:57:03 PM
I'll have to check if there was only one rape and when did they happen?  It is tempting to think Tatschl came across that video of the rape.   How do you video a rape in any case?   If the camera is handheld that leaves only one free hand.
Has that ever happened before or since?

The camera isn't hand held
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 19, 2020, 05:00:34 PM
Michael Tatschi stated that he knew that Brueckner was a pervert, so what sort of pervert did he think Brueckner was?

What is a Pervert?
Google is your best friend.   What does it say?  Used as a noun:
"noun
/ˈpəːvəːt/
a person whose sexual behaviour is regarded as abnormal and unacceptable."

There was that report of CB masturbating in front of kids.  That is definitely "abnormal and unacceptable".
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Eleanor on November 19, 2020, 05:01:14 PM
Can someone help me out here?

What sort of pervert did Tatschi think Brueckner was, do you think?
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Eleanor on November 19, 2020, 05:03:03 PM
Google is your best friend.   What does it say?  Used as a noun:
"noun
/ˈpəːvəːt/
a person whose sexual behaviour is regarded as abnormal and unacceptable."

There was that report of CB masturbating in front of kids.  That is definitely "abnormal and unacceptable".

So Tatschi already knew about this then?

What he said doesn't make sense.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 19, 2020, 05:10:01 PM
So Tatschi already knew about this then?

What he said doesn't make sense.
Well, that is true and if he knew about that incident, he would have known CB was into kids.  Maybe the expression "into kids" needs to be defined.

What keeps on in my mind is how Tatschl reports that CB wanted to make "1 million" Euros.  So he was more likely looking out for ways to sell kids for a good price more so than killing them.  Business-wise it makes more sense IMO.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: faithlilly on November 19, 2020, 05:10:30 PM
Pick the bones out of that.

https://www.globalnetpictures.co.uk/michael-tatschi-best-pal-of-madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-brueckner-tells-the-sun-i-know-he-did-it/
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 19, 2020, 05:14:16 PM
The camera isn't hand held
Some video cameras were operable with one hand.  But they take a bit of expertise to make sure they are not pointing in the wrong direction. 

Have you heard as to what sort of camera was used in the filming of the rape?
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on November 19, 2020, 05:19:14 PM
I’m not sure what the big mystery is re Taschi, will someone please explain?
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 19, 2020, 05:25:52 PM
Pick the bones out of that.

https://www.globalnetpictures.co.uk/michael-tatschi-best-pal-of-madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-brueckner-tells-the-sun-i-know-he-did-it/
Like I said the business side is important.   "Tatschi shared a remand cell with Brueckner and is sure he is guilty of snatching her and thinks he may have sold her to a “sex ring” in Morocco"

I'd imagine you can't sell a young girl after you've molested her.   He'd be wanting the best price, wouldn't he?

"”When we were jailed, he ordered a German friend to get rid of any evidence.” He told The Sun the German friend and another man uncovered a video camera there with footage which showed Brueckner raping three women, one aged 70."   

Well that makes it clear at least 3 rapes were before the McCann incident.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Eleanor on November 19, 2020, 05:26:50 PM
I’m not sure what the big mystery is re Taschi, will someone please explain?

It seems to me that Tatschi knew more about Brueckner than he was letting on.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 19, 2020, 05:28:35 PM
I’m not sure what the big mystery is re Taschi, will someone please explain?
Well, how much contact did Tatschl and Brueckner have after the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Mr Gray on November 19, 2020, 05:33:22 PM
Some video cameras were operable with one hand.  But they take a bit of expertise to make sure they are not pointing in the wrong direction. 

Have you heard as to what sort of camera was used in the filming of the rape?

The Irish victim said her attacker set up a video camera
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on November 19, 2020, 05:41:23 PM
It seems to me that Tatschi knew more about Brueckner than he was letting on.
why do you come to that conclusion?
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on November 19, 2020, 05:42:01 PM
Well, how much contact did Tatschl and Brueckner have after the Madeleine McCann disappearance?
a fair bit by his own account, why?
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: faithlilly on November 19, 2020, 05:47:07 PM
It seems to me that Tatschi knew more about Brueckner than he was letting on.

He certainly didn’t know anything about the tape...3 70 year olds.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Eleanor on November 19, 2020, 05:49:26 PM
why do you come to that conclusion?

Tatschi said he knew that Brueckner was a pervert before any of this.  So what did Tatschi think a pervert was?
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Eleanor on November 19, 2020, 05:50:45 PM
He certainly didn’t know anything about the tape...3 70 year olds.

So what sort of pervert did Tatschi think Brueckner was?
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on November 19, 2020, 06:09:01 PM
Tatschi said he knew that Brueckner was a pervert before any of this.  So what did Tatschi think a pervert was?
He said he knew he was a pervert but said he didn’t think he was interested in children.  Pervert is a catch-all term for a wide range of perversions, some of which Brückner may have discussed with Taschi while they were in prison together.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Eleanor on November 19, 2020, 06:17:48 PM
He said he knew he was a pervert but said he didn’t think he was interested in children.  Pervert is a catch-all term for a wide range of perversions, some of which Brückner may have discussed with Taschi while they were in prison together.

So just a Rapist then?
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Brietta on November 19, 2020, 06:18:03 PM
Was that just instinct or do you have some insight to "Brueckner's reaction to the McCann tenth anniversary German TV broadcast"?

No instinct Rob.  Just keeping pace with the story as reported in the media.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Brietta on November 19, 2020, 06:30:00 PM
Can someone help me out here?

What sort of pervert did Tatschi think Brueckner was, do you think?

I think he may have been making reference to Brueghner's penchant for young girlfriends?
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on November 19, 2020, 06:32:30 PM
So just a Rapist then?
Not necessarily, it could have been other perversions. It’s quite a subjective term anyway.  Some people think men who wear ladies underwear are perverts for example.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Eleanor on November 19, 2020, 06:56:30 PM
Not necessarily, it could have been other perversions. It’s quite a subjective term anyway.  Some people think men who wear ladies underwear are perverts for example.

You mean they aren't?  Not that I have ever come across this.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: faithlilly on November 19, 2020, 07:23:12 PM
You mean they aren't?  Not that I have ever come across this.

Then you haven’t lived Eleanor, you haven’t lived !!!
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Eleanor on November 19, 2020, 07:44:27 PM
Then you haven’t lived Eleanor, you haven’t lived !!!

You mean that you have?  Oh My.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: faithlilly on November 19, 2020, 09:01:59 PM
You mean that you have?  Oh My.

Now wouldn’t that be telling ;0)
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Eleanor on November 19, 2020, 09:05:55 PM
Now wouldn’t that be telling ;0)

Oh, do go on.  I obviously need to be educated.  But I promise not to tell anyone.  And Rob won't either.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on November 19, 2020, 10:14:15 PM
Don’t tell me Faith wears women’s underwear, what a perv.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Eleanor on November 19, 2020, 10:20:10 PM
Don’t tell me Faith wears women’s underwear, what a perv.

You wear Boxers then, do you?
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on November 19, 2020, 10:25:58 PM
You wear Boxers then, do you?
what’s wrong with that?
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Eleanor on November 19, 2020, 10:48:54 PM
what’s wrong with that?

Nothing at all, at all.

When I joined The Wrens they issued us with navy blue, long legged, woollen knickers, so we cut the gussets out and wore them as jumpers.  Very handy in Scotland in Winter.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: faithlilly on November 19, 2020, 11:13:31 PM
Oh, do go on.  I obviously need to be educated.  But I promise not to tell anyone.  And Rob won't either.

Perhaps one day Eleanor when we’re too doolally to remember what the other has said.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Eleanor on November 19, 2020, 11:19:27 PM
Perhaps one day Eleanor when we’re too doolally to remember what the other has said.

I don't know about you but I'm nearly there.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 20, 2020, 02:05:21 AM
what’s wrong with that?
Yes what's wrong with boxers?
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 20, 2020, 02:09:29 AM
why do you come to that conclusion?
He talks a lot about what happened before Madeleine was taken but not much about that night and the time afterward.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 20, 2020, 02:16:33 AM
a fair bit by his own account, why?
Well, that is what I think we should analyse and see if it is logical. for Tatschl to now pointing the finger at Brueckner.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 20, 2020, 02:20:07 AM
No instinct Rob.  Just keeping pace with the story as reported in the media.
I'm a bit busy around the farmlet catching up on chores that didn't get done while recovering from Covid.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 20, 2020, 02:22:02 AM
I think he may have been making reference to Brueghner's penchant for young girlfriends?
Yet he made mention of Nichole being 20 years his senior. 
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Myster on November 20, 2020, 04:53:49 AM
Yet he made mention of Nichole being 20 years his senior.
Sugar mama who informs him of a potential 100 grand suitcase heist to splash out on a Winnegogo.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 20, 2020, 08:49:05 AM
Sugar mama who informs him of a potential 100 grand suitcase heist to splash out on a Winnegogo.
This is a possibility.   Who paid the price?
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Mr Gray on November 20, 2020, 08:49:50 AM
He talks a lot about what happened before Madeleine was taken but not much about that night and the time afterward.
To me that's the most important point. Did CB have contact with anyone around this time...that is what Wolters is interested in
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 20, 2020, 09:22:32 AM
To me that's the most important point. Did CB have contact with anyone around this time...that is what Wolters is interested in
Tatschl interviews seem to suggest that CB is capable of snatching a child and setting out to deliver that child for the purpose of selling that child.

I'm at a loss as to how these deals would be initiated, coordinated etc.   I think you'd need to have the client arranged before one took possession of the child.

I don't see Tatschl suggesting that CB would end up killing the child when he is hoping to sell the child.
Is this supporting the McCann's hope that Madeleine is alive? 
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Mr Gray on November 20, 2020, 09:27:14 AM
Tatschl interviews seem to suggest that CB is capable of snatching a child and setting out to deliver that child for the purpose of selling that child.

I'm at a loss as to how these deals would be initiated, coordinated etc.

I don't see Tatschl suggesting that CB would end up killing the child when he is hoping to sell the child.
Is this supporting the McCann's hope that Madeleine is alive?
It isn't. I'm sure the McCannd sccept that Maddie is probably dead but won't accept it without proof
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 20, 2020, 09:30:56 AM
It isn't. I'm sure the McCanns accept that Maddie is probably dead but won't accept it without proof
But am I right in saying that Tatschl suggests CB took her to sell her rather than to just abuse her and kill her?
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Brietta on November 20, 2020, 10:29:46 AM
But am I right in saying that Tatschl suggests CB took her to sell her rather than to just abuse her and kill her?

I don't know what passes for logic in the topsy-turvy world of recreational and hard drug use/abuse and supply and could only second guess it.  But what I do know is that these guys and gals would sell their nearest and dearest not even in the price was right ~ just if there there is a price at all.

It is a dark underbelly which the police have to contend with day and daily.  Whoever took Madeleine might very well have done so against such a background and has had thirteen+ years to cover his/her tracks.  Ably aided and abetted by a botched police investigation which determinedly concentrated on pointing in the opposite direction
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Mr Gray on November 20, 2020, 10:37:06 AM
But am I right in saying that Tatschl suggests CB took her to sell her rather than to just abuse her and kill her?
I don't see it that way
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 20, 2020, 11:00:37 AM
I don't see it that way
The way I see it is you are fixated on what The German investigator (HCW) is saying i.e. that they have evidence CB murdered her or something along that line.

With that you must be reluctant to accept Madeleine could be still alive.   Can there be a theory where you have both dead and alive girls that could be confused in some way?     I used to think so, but it gets even more difficult to understand how this worked if CB is involved with both the living and the deceased child.

I would like to see what the evidence is that HCW says he has.  Could the deceased child be the one that looks like Madeleine so Madeline can remain alive taking the other's place in a family.   That gets very difficult to take. 

Something as complicated as that may explain why CB never informed Tatschl as to what he had been up to.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: The General on November 20, 2020, 11:01:54 AM
I don't see it that way
1. Opportunist paedo happens upon the boozing antics of negligent parents, snatches child, commits various nefarious acts, disposes of dead child.
2. Common or garden burglar / paedo stumbles upon the holy grail of apartments (see negligent actions of parents above), containing 3 unaccompanied children under the age of 4, steals child and nothing else, commits various nefarious acts, disposes of dead child.
3. Seasoned burglar / grifter / paedo receives tip off from criminal acquaintance regarding holy grail of apartments (see negligent actions of parents above), containing 3 unaccompanied children under the age of 4, plans meticulously on his own phone (for over 30 minutes) to steal child and nothing else, commits various nefarious acts, disposes of dead child.
4. Seasoned burglar / grifter / paedo / rapist receives tip off from criminal acquaintance regarding holy grail of apartments (see negligent actions of parents above), containing 3 unaccompanied children under the age of 4, plans meticulously on his own phone (for over 30 minutes) to steal child and nothing else, commits various nefarious acts, takes pictures  / videos of, then disposes of dead child.

One of these ways?
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: The General on November 20, 2020, 11:06:28 AM
The way I see it is you are fixated on what The German investigator (HCW) is saying i.e. that they have evidence CB murdered her or something along that line.

With that you must be reluctant to accept Madeleine could be still alive.   Can there be a theory where you have both dead and alive girls that could be confused in some way?     I used to think so, but it gets even more difficult to understand how this worked if CB is involved with both the living and the deceased child.

I would like to see what the evidence is that HCW says he has.  Could the deceased child be the one that looks like Madeleine so Madeline can remain alive taking the other's place in a family.   That gets very difficult to take.
You seem to be re-postulating the previously asserted 'Schrodinger's Maddie' theory.
I think the consensus among 'septic sceptics' and so called 'McCannerettes'  is that she is, alas, dead. We should always start there and any fanciful theories contrary to that should be dismissed.

...and I wouldn't trust Taschi to sell pencils from a cup in the car park. The man is clearly on the ching ching train.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 20, 2020, 11:08:33 AM
1. Opportunist paedo happens upon the boozing antics of negligent parents, snatches child, commits various nefarious acts, disposes of dead child.
2. Common or garden burglar / paedo stumbles upon the holy grail of apartments (see negligent actions of parents above), containing 3 unaccompanied children under the age of 4, steals child and nothing else, commits various nefarious acts, disposes of dead child.
3. Seasoned burglar / grifter / paedo receives tip off from criminal acquaintance regarding holy grail of apartments (see negligent actions of parents above), containing 3 unaccompanied children under the age of 4, plans meticulously on his own phone (for over 30 minutes) to steal child and nothing else, commits various nefarious acts, disposes of dead child.
4. Seasoned burglar / grifter / paedo / rapist receives tip off from criminal acquaintance regarding holy grail of apartments (see negligent actions of parents above), containing 3 unaccompanied children under the age of 4, plans meticulously on his own phone (for over 30 minutes) to steal child and nothing else, commits various nefarious acts, takes pictures  / videos of, then disposes of dead child.

One of these ways?
According to Tatschl Christian B wanted to get rich.  I can't see how any of those 4 scenarios make him any richer.

How does CB end up with the Winnebago?
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: The General on November 20, 2020, 11:15:37 AM
According to Tatschl Christian B wanted to get rich.  I can't see how any of those 4 scenarios make him any richer.
See my later post re: Taschi.
How in the name of Clarence the Cross-Eyed Lion would stealing a child make anyone rich?
It would make you either dead or in prison. We are not dealing with a time-served child trafficker here,  with an elaborate and sophisticated network of accomplices and unlimited resources; this is a man who fiddles with himself in kids' playgrounds and boosts diesel from farms - he's a two-bit nonce / thief.
Taschi is cut from the same cloth, but probably exponentially more addled by booze and drugs, given his prolonged access to his liberty.

Winnebago? Has it been established he owned one, if so show me? Owning one and driving one are two distinct concepts. If he did, well there's many ways such an elaborate and conspicuous purchase could be funded, given his apparent low level connections.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Mr Gray on November 20, 2020, 11:17:17 AM
The way I see it is you are fixated on what The German investigator (HCW) is saying i.e. that they have evidence CB murdered her or something along that line.

With that you must be reluctant to accept Madeleine could be still alive.   Can there be a theory where you have both dead and alive girls that could be confused in some way?     I used to think so, but it gets even more difficult to understand how this worked if CB is involved with both the living and the deceased child.

I would like to see what the evidence is that HCW says he has.  Could the deceased child be the one that looks like Madeleine so Madeline can remain alive taking the other's place in a family.   That gets very difficult to take. 

Something as complicated as that may explain why CB never informed Tatschl as to what he had been up to.

Fixated...ridiculous comment. We don't need HCW to show that maddie is almost certainly dead... I think almost everyone would agree.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: The General on November 20, 2020, 11:18:14 AM
Fixated...ridiculous comment. We don't need HCW to show that maddie is almost certainly dead... I think almost everyone would agree.
I agree. Now pick an option.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Mr Gray on November 20, 2020, 11:23:41 AM
I agree. Now pick an option.

I go with the evidence and say what I did before HCW was on the scene...stranger abduction way ahead as most probable
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Lace on November 20, 2020, 11:24:20 AM
1. Opportunist paedo happens upon the boozing antics of negligent parents, snatches child, commits various nefarious acts, disposes of dead child.
2. Common or garden burglar / paedo stumbles upon the holy grail of apartments (see negligent actions of parents above), containing 3 unaccompanied children under the age of 4, steals child and nothing else, commits various nefarious acts, disposes of dead child.
3. Seasoned burglar / grifter / paedo receives tip off from criminal acquaintance regarding holy grail of apartments (see negligent actions of parents above), containing 3 unaccompanied children under the age of 4, plans meticulously on his own phone (for over 30 minutes) to steal child and nothing else, commits various nefarious acts, disposes of dead child.
4. Seasoned burglar / grifter / paedo / rapist receives tip off from criminal acquaintance regarding holy grail of apartments (see negligent actions of parents above), containing 3 unaccompanied children under the age of 4, plans meticulously on his own phone (for over 30 minutes) to steal child and nothing else, commits various nefarious acts, takes pictures  / videos of, then disposes of dead child.

One of these ways?

CB is known to have communicated on the 'Dark Web'  he could have come across someone who knew all about trafficking of children IMO
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Eleanor on November 20, 2020, 11:28:36 AM
I suspect that Tatschi's evidence is not to be trusted, although not necessarily untrue.  And I doubt very much that it would stand up in Court.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: The General on November 20, 2020, 11:33:13 AM
CB is known to have communicated on the 'Dark Web'  he could have come across someone who knew all about trafficking of children IMO
'The Dark Web'. This term is often bandied about.
A secret chat-room for paedos is not 'the dark web', it's the internet.
If he 'came across someone who knew all about trafficking of children' in any way, why didn't this criminal genius ask CB to nip down to Lagos and snatch a street urchin who wouldn't be missed for many days - if at all? Are we going down the 'Chosen Child of Judea' bloodline rabbit-hole?
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: The General on November 20, 2020, 11:40:24 AM
I suspect that Tatschi's evidence is not to be trusted, although not necessarily untrue.  And I doubt very much that it would stand up in Court.
Agreed on both counts.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Eleanor on November 20, 2020, 11:47:22 AM
Agreed on both counts.

Thank You.

But where to go from there?
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Mr Gray on November 20, 2020, 11:48:18 AM
Agreed on both counts.

we dont know what evidence hes given....certainly.."I think he did it" wouldnt stand up but if he said he...nor no one else had seen CB from 3rd to 10th of may...that would stand up
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: The General on November 20, 2020, 11:54:46 AM
we dont know what evidence hes given....certainly.."I think he did it" wouldnt stand up but if he said he...nor no one else had seen CB from 3rd to 10th of may...that would stand up
It's his credibility as a witness. He'd be torn to small bits.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Eleanor on November 20, 2020, 11:58:57 AM
It's his credibility as a witness. He'd be torn to small bits.

From the look of his photo someone already has.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on November 20, 2020, 11:59:49 AM
'The Dark Web'. This term is often bandied about.
A secret chat-room for paedos is not 'the dark web', it's the internet.
If he 'came across someone who knew all about trafficking of children' in any way, why didn't this criminal genius ask CB to nip down to Lagos and snatch a street urchin who wouldn't be missed for many days - if at all? Are we going down the 'Chosen Child of Judea' bloodline rabbit-hole?
What is the Dark Web then, educate us some more.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: The General on November 20, 2020, 12:03:26 PM
From the look of his photo someone already has.
He looks like he's seen and done things no man should. And the bag of sheckles he received for his tale probably came just at the right time.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Lace on November 20, 2020, 12:09:04 PM
'The Dark Web'. This term is often bandied about.
A secret chat-room for paedos is not 'the dark web', it's the internet.
If he 'came across someone who knew all about trafficking of children' in any way, why didn't this criminal genius ask CB to nip down to Lagos and snatch a street urchin who wouldn't be missed for many days - if at all? Are we going down the 'Chosen Child of Judea' bloodline rabbit-hole?

IMO I believe they didn't want a street urchin.   There was surveillance carried out.   IMO CB was watching 5a.

The dark web is a bit more than a chat room for paedo's.   They show each other video's etc.   The Police have a difficult job assessing these sites and closing them down.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Lace on November 20, 2020, 12:11:37 PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8969439/Kidnapped-boy-seven-hugged-father-following-rescue-52-days-abduction-paedophile.html
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Eleanor on November 20, 2020, 12:11:50 PM
He looks like he's seen and done things no man should. And the bag of sheckles he received for his tale probably came just at the right time.

We don't know that he did receive anything, so let's please avoid the Libel.

Not that I care all that much beyond Innocent Until Proven Otherwise.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: The General on November 20, 2020, 12:13:05 PM
IMO I believe they didn't want a street urchin.   There was surveillance carried out.   IMO CB was watching 5a.

The dark web is a bit more than a chat room for paedo's.   They show each other video's etc.   The Police have a difficult job assessing these sites and closing them down.
I think you're crediting CB with a level of criminal sophistication that he could only aspire to.
This is a man who smeared himself with yoghurt as a protest literally this week; he's an imbecile.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Eleanor on November 20, 2020, 12:24:04 PM
I think you're crediting CB with a level of criminal sophistication that he could only aspire to.
This is a man who smeared himself with yoghurt as a protest literally this week; he's an imbecile.

If asked he could have broken into 5A and stolen Madeleine.

He is not an imbecile? but he is a very sick individual.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on November 20, 2020, 12:27:30 PM
I think you're crediting CB with a level of criminal sophistication that he could only aspire to.
This is a man who smeared himself with yoghurt as a protest literally this week; he's an imbecile.
If he'd smeared himself in shit would that have been a sign of higher intelligence in your opinion?
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: faithlilly on November 20, 2020, 12:35:15 PM
CB is known to have communicated on the 'Dark Web'  he could have come across someone who knew all about trafficking of children IMO

No he is not. It’s an allegation made against him by, I presume, a friend. It has not been proven.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: faithlilly on November 20, 2020, 12:44:52 PM
If asked he could have broken into 5A and stolen Madeleine.

He is not an imbecile? but he is a very sick individual.

You can be a sick individual and an imbecile....Russell Bishop springs to mind.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Brietta on November 20, 2020, 12:53:36 PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8969439/Kidnapped-boy-seven-hugged-father-following-rescue-52-days-abduction-paedophile.html

Thanks Lace.
I believe these sites are like the Hydra.

Snip
They had been tipped off by Interpol that a sinister dark net site revealed the boy was with his abductor some 14 miles from his home in Gorki village, Vladimir region, where he had gone missing in late September.
The source of the tip is believed to be an unnamed foreign intelligence agency scouring hidden areas of the internet used by criminals.
_______________________________________________________________________

Unbelievably ~ plus ca change plus c'est la meme chose!
___________________________________________________________

Cruel local gossips had accused the family of harming the boy but in footage after he went missing, his mother, 42, said she believed he was still alive and would be found.

He was kidnapped after getting off his school.

'My son said the man pushed him into his car,' said the father.

'We do not know where he kept our son.'

Regional children's ombudsman Gennady Prokhorichev said: 'This is a miracle. Thank God it is a story with a happy ending.'

He admonished the parents for not escorting the boy to and from the school bus, adding: 'This is a lesson for us all.'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8969439/Kidnapped-boy-seven-hugged-father-following-rescue-52-days-abduction-paedophile.html
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Eleanor on November 20, 2020, 01:05:55 PM
You can be a sick individual and an imbecile....Russell Bishop springs to mind.

I don't think Brueckner is an imbecile.  And it would be very silly to think so.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Mr Gray on November 20, 2020, 02:59:03 PM
It's his credibility as a witness. He'd be torn to small bits.
I don't see him being a  witness...his opinion is of no importance.  He may have supplied some useful information
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Brietta on November 20, 2020, 04:03:57 PM
I don't see him being a  witness...his opinion is of no importance.  He may have supplied some useful information
The police spent some time questioning him (two days?) and I am sure his information will have some intelligence value as he was a friend at a very pertinent time, will almost certainly know of other contacts and perhaps even movements prior to and after Madeleine's disappearance.

I think he is the sort of resident criminal on whom the police should have been concentrating their efforts initially instead of orchestrating propaganda against Madeleine's parents and friends.

The opinion piece he has given to the press is just that and it really doesn't tell us anything we didn't really know already nor do I think it says anything which would compromise anything of value which he may have shared with the police and which could end up as evidence.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: barrier on November 20, 2020, 04:13:31 PM
I think you're crediting CB with a level of criminal sophistication that he could only aspire to.
This is a man who smeared himself with yoghurt as a protest literally this week; he's an imbecile.

Doesn't make sense, if you're applying for parole and a hearing is granted surely he'd have to have been a model prisoner,why cock it up at the stage of the hearing.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Eleanor on November 20, 2020, 04:29:58 PM
Doesn't make sense, if you're applying for parole and a hearing is granted surely he'd have to have been a model prisoner,why cock it up at the stage of the hearing.

Now there's a point.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 20, 2020, 06:14:58 PM
I notice we are tending to discuss Brueckner rather than Tatschl. 
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: jassi on November 20, 2020, 06:16:33 PM
I notice we are tending to discuss Brueckner rather than Tatschl.

Makes a change from you know who.  8(0(*
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 20, 2020, 06:20:44 PM
Makes a change from you know who.  8(0(*
Do you mean evil old Goncalo Amaral?   Who were you talking about?
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: The General on November 21, 2020, 09:14:00 AM
What is the Dark Web then, educate us some more.
What dya need?
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on November 21, 2020, 09:32:48 AM
What dya need?
Everything you got.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 21, 2020, 10:15:19 AM
Everything you got.
Let's all go onto the Dark Web!
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 21, 2020, 10:24:24 AM
https://torontosun.com/news/world/pal-on-german-pedophile-and-maddie-mccann-i-know-he-did-it

"Michael Tatschi — who once lived with the suspect in Portugal — has told the Daily Mail he has no doubts about his former friend.

“He was a pervert and more than capable of snatching a child for sexual kicks or money,” Tatschi told the paper.

The Austrian man was interrogated by cops last year about Madeleine’s disappearance and allegedly told detectives that Brueckner bragged about his involvement and how he ripped off wealthy tourists.

Tatschi told the tabloid Brueckner boasted about “selling kids” and hinted Madeleine had been sold to a sex ring.

“He was always bragging about money and making money. He even talked about selling kids, maybe to Morocco,” Tatschi said. “I think he probably sold Maddie to someone. Maybe a sex ring. I was living with him at the time. He was my best friend. I know he did it.”

He added: “He was definitely a pervert. All his friends thought that about him. He had some sexual issues. I really hope they can finally close this case for the family and find Christian guilty for what he has done. He needs to admit it to the police.”"
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: barrier on November 21, 2020, 10:32:51 AM
https://torontosun.com/news/world/pal-on-german-pedophile-and-maddie-mccann-i-know-he-did-it

"Michael Tatschi — who once lived with the suspect in Portugal — has told the Daily Mail he has no doubts about his former friend.

“He was a pervert and more than capable of snatching a child for sexual kicks or money,” Tatschi told the paper.

The Austrian man was interrogated by cops last year about Madeleine’s disappearance and allegedly told detectives that Brueckner bragged about his involvement and how he ripped off wealthy tourists.

Tatschi told the tabloid Brueckner boasted about “selling kids” and hinted Madeleine had been sold to a sex ring.

“He was always bragging about money and making money. He even talked about selling kids, maybe to Morocco,” Tatschi said. “I think he probably sold Maddie to someone. Maybe a sex ring. I was living with him at the time. He was my best friend. I know he did it.”

He added: “He was definitely a pervert. All his friends thought that about him. He had some sexual issues. I really hope they can finally close this case for the family and find Christian guilty for what he has done. He needs to admit it to the police.”"


Bolded bit, could fit one way with what Wolters is saying, in that his suspect was was "involved in" on the other hand he claims his suspect killed Madeleine, which kinda goes against what this Tatschi claims.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 21, 2020, 10:43:08 AM
Did Tatschl see the rape video?

If Tatschl is the same person as Manfred it sounds like he did.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-brueckner-broke-22566429

"But after Brueckner was jailed for diesel theft, Manfred stole a video camera from his home, on which he saw footage of a US pensioner being raped in the resort."

"He alerted police and Brueckner was convicted."

"Tonight it was revealed he stored 391 child abuse pictures and 68 sick videos on a second device, a Casio Exilim digital camera.

It was the camera he used to take images of himself abusing an ex’s five-year-old daughter.

Police also found a Reck P6E blank pistol with ammunition in the pervert’s flat."


How many "best friends does Brueckner have?
"Madeleine McCann prime suspect Christian Brueckner broke into hotel rooms and holiday flats on the Algarve, his best friend has confirmed."



Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: barrier on November 21, 2020, 10:45:00 AM
Did Tatschl see the rape video?

If Tatschl is the same person as Manfred it sounds like he did.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-brueckner-broke-22566429

"But after Brueckner was jailed for diesel theft, Manfred stole a video camera from his home, on which he saw footage of a US pensioner being raped in the resort."

"He alerted police and Brueckner was convicted."

"Tonight it was revealed he stored 391 child abuse pictures and 68 sick videos on a second device, a Casio Exilim digital camera.

It was the camera he used to take images of himself abusing an ex’s five-year-old daughter.

Police also found a Reck P6E blank pistol with ammunition in the pervert’s flat."


How many "best friends does Brueckner have?
"Madeleine McCann prime suspect Christian Brueckner broke into hotel rooms and holiday flats on the Algarve, his best friend has confirmed."


None if they are splitting on him.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Brietta on November 21, 2020, 11:01:15 AM
Did Tatschl see the rape video?

If Tatschl is the same person as Manfred it sounds like he did.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-brueckner-broke-22566429

"But after Brueckner was jailed for diesel theft, Manfred stole a video camera from his home, on which he saw footage of a US pensioner being raped in the resort."

"He alerted police and Brueckner was convicted."

"Tonight it was revealed he stored 391 child abuse pictures and 68 sick videos on a second device, a Casio Exilim digital camera.

It was the camera he used to take images of himself abusing an ex’s five-year-old daughter.

Police also found a Reck P6E blank pistol with ammunition in the pervert’s flat."


How many "best friends does Brueckner have?
"Madeleine McCann prime suspect Christian Brueckner broke into hotel rooms and holiday flats on the Algarve, his best friend has confirmed."

From memory, Rob.
I think Brueckner and his accomplice were already under arrest so that takes Tatschl out of the frame.  Apparently he arranged for friends to take his loot from burglaries etc from the premises by faking a break-in.  He didn't give police or the courts that address saying he was living in his camper so remained under lock and key(18 months?) as a flight risk rather than give a fixed abode ???
Decidedly odd.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 21, 2020, 11:04:18 AM
Google search result:
"EXCLUSIVE: New child sex probe launched against Maddie ...www.theolivepress.es › Costa Blanca › crime
Sep 23, 2020 — ... another German, Manfred Seyferth, who had cleared out Brueckner's ... Michael Tatschl around a month after Maddie went missing in 2007."

Manfred and Michael Tatschl seem to be different people.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on November 21, 2020, 01:32:51 PM
Let's all go onto the Dark Web!
You first, and don't forget your torch and hand sanitiser.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 21, 2020, 05:16:35 PM
You first, and don't forget your torch and hand sanitiser.
I was more worried about my old computer catching a virus.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: faithlilly on November 21, 2020, 07:47:17 PM
Google search result:
"EXCLUSIVE: New child sex probe launched against Maddie ...www.theolivepress.es › Costa Blanca › crime
Sep 23, 2020 — ... another German, Manfred Seyferth, who had cleared out Brueckner's ... Michael Tatschl around a month after Maddie went missing in 2007."

Manfred and Michael Tatschl seem to be different people.

They are. Seyferth is a convicted people trafficker whereas as Tatschi seems to be More of your common garden variety of career criminal.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: The General on November 21, 2020, 08:31:59 PM
I was more worried about my old computer catching a virus.
There's a chance I could procure you some original sized Cadbury's Creme Eggs and potentially a cache of circa 1984 used Razzle magazines.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 21, 2020, 09:10:30 PM
There's a chance I could procure you some original sized Cadbury's Creme Eggs and potentially a cache of circa 1984 used Razzle magazines.
The Cadbury Cremes sound nice.  They'll do.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on November 21, 2020, 10:38:44 PM
Well it looks like the General is baulking in his duty to educate us dullards on what exactly is this Dark Web of which we speak and know nothing.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on November 21, 2020, 10:42:55 PM
From today’s Times (probably all made up and planted by the German police via the Russians to lend credence to their investigation)

Dark web chat leads to missing boy
Police have rescued a seven-year-old boy after a tip-off from Interpol about messages on the dark web led them to the home of a kidnapper at a remote Russian homestead.

Savely Rogovtsev was reported missing in September when he failed to return home from school in Gorkia, a village in the Vladimir region, near Moscow.

Searches involving hundreds of police officers, soldiers and volunteers, as well as dogs, helicopters and drones, yielded no results and a murder investigation was opened. Last month the police offered a one million rouble (£10,000) reward for information about Savely, to no avail.

However, Interpol officers heard chatter on remote sections of the internet about “a man keeping a young boy at home” and contacted the Russian police. Officers raided a house in a hamlet about 12 miles from where the boy was taken and arrested a 26-year-old man, whose motives were not made clear. They found Savely, said to be unharmed, playing on a computer.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 22, 2020, 01:11:16 AM
I'm sure my kids could tell me what the Dark Web is used for.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Eleanor on November 22, 2020, 10:04:17 AM

I've got loads of dark webs in my house.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Myster on November 22, 2020, 10:09:45 AM
The result of spending too much time on here, no doubt.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Eleanor on November 22, 2020, 10:12:19 AM
The result of spending too much time on here, no doubt.

I have to do something to take my mind off the army of Spiders lurking.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on November 22, 2020, 09:53:29 PM
I'm sure my kids could tell me what the Dark Web is used for.

originally the now known 'dark web' is usd mainly used for dodgy dealings- using illegal Torrens for downloading pirate stuff.

However there is the deep dark web, by invitation only apparently, this is where he real ......... are, Drug trafficking child trafficking, sex abuse, live snuff movies, explosives, hit men for hire,  cannibals seeking 'lunch'... every nasty you can think of...
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Robittybob1 on November 23, 2020, 12:43:18 AM
originally the now known 'dark web' is usd mainly used for dodgy dealings- using illegal Torrens for downloading pirate stuff.

However there is the deep dark web, by invitation only apparently, this is where he real ......... are, Drug trafficking child trafficking, sex abuse, live snuff movies, explosives, hit men for hire,  cannibals seeking 'lunch'... every nasty you can think of...
That sounds worse than great big hairy spiders.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Anthro on December 30, 2020, 08:20:49 PM
I can assure you that the original video supposedly showing the route by road to Villa Blanca took you further than the present day video and you could see the villa comlete with a Lombardy Poplar tree and surroundings before the video stopped running.  The version showed recently on here stops before Vila Blanca comes into sight. 
As it is not clear where the car trip in the video starts it was virtually impossible to locate the villa from it.  The natural thing to expect was that the video started somewhere in the centre of the village, which appeared to be near the O Farel restaurant.

From there the video took a somewhat winding path along country lanes, for at least a mile and possibly 2 miles in my estimation, until it reached the Villa.  It doesn't actually reach either the villa nor explain where the starting point was.   So unless very familiar with every twist and turn of the lanes (of which there are an abundance), it is impossible to find.



Having spent many hours searching for it, mainly in a circular band about 1 - 2 miles outside the centre of Foral,
I happened upon the villa by accident when I was having a good look at the restaurant where Bruckner worked as a waiter.  The Villa is positioned 230 yards to th eeast of the restaurant and on the opposite side of the road.
If you want to see the agressive security tops to the railings and gates, I suggest that you start on G Earth street scene  about 260 metres past the restaurant in an easterly direction.

Then come back steadily until you can just see the high Fence, gates + entrance.    Why would they need sure agressive barriers on a childrens home?
Is it this one, Sadie?

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Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: sadie on December 31, 2020, 05:19:38 AM
Is it this one, Sadie?

Yep, that was the final frame of the original road route video, but it is now missing.    Without that NO-BODY could ever have found the German boys home.   Fortunately after watching the original video many times and testing it to no avail, I remembered that image and stumbled across it accidentally, so was able to pinpoint the home for you all.
It was the poplar tree that did it.   That Poplar tree is actually in the front garden of the Villa Bianco

Thanks Anthro; you're a star.


Hope that you are enjoying your holiday.  I am envious, snow here
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Myster on December 31, 2020, 09:01:24 AM
Yep, that was the final frame of the original road route video, but it is now missing.    Without that NO-BODY could ever have found the German boys home.   Fortunately after watching the original video many times and testing it to no avail, I remembered that image and stumbled across it accidentally, so was able to pinpoint the home for you all.
It was the poplar tree that did it.   That Poplar tree is actually in the front garden of the Villa Bianco

Thanks Anthro; you're a star.


Hope that you are enjoying your holiday.  I am envious, snow here
Too true!...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9098095/Forecasters-issue-weather-warnings-UK-London-hit-wintry-showers-tonight.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9098095/Forecasters-issue-weather-warnings-UK-London-hit-wintry-showers-tonight.html)

Being summer-born, I hate this freezing British climate.  I wonder if Anthro would be interested in doing a house swap?...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/1007311 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/1007311)
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Anthro on December 31, 2020, 01:44:18 PM
Yep, that was the final frame of the original road route video, but it is now missing.    Without that NO-BODY could ever have found the German boys home.   Fortunately after watching the original video many times and testing it to no avail, I remembered that image and stumbled across it accidentally, so was able to pinpoint the home for you all.
It was the poplar tree that did it.   That Poplar tree is actually in the front garden of the Villa Bianco

Thanks Anthro; you're a star.


Hope that you are enjoying your holiday.  I am envious, snow here
Thank you, Sadie x. Our days are beautiful. We are truly grateful for the break.🐬Wishing everyone a happy and healthy 2021.💫

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Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: sadie on December 31, 2020, 05:33:09 PM
Thank you, Sadie x. Our days are beautiful. We are truly grateful for the break.🐬Wishing everyone a happy and healthy 2021.💫

Ooooo err, those photos look nice.  You own swimming pool, I think?   
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Robittybob1 on December 31, 2020, 06:10:26 PM
Ooooo err, those photos look nice.  You own swimming pool, I think?
Private pool - no sharks.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Anthro on December 31, 2020, 06:28:14 PM
Ooooo err, those photos look nice.  You own swimming pool, I think?
Yes, Sadie. Splash pool at our ‘home from home’ on the Garden Route.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Anthro on December 31, 2020, 07:02:04 PM
Too true!...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9098095/Forecasters-issue-weather-warnings-UK-London-hit-wintry-showers-tonight.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9098095/Forecasters-issue-weather-warnings-UK-London-hit-wintry-showers-tonight.html)

Being summer-born, I hate this freezing British climate.  I wonder if Anthro would be interested in doing a house swap?...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/1007311 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/1007311)
I’m sure we can work something out, Myster.😊
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: sadie on December 31, 2020, 11:16:57 PM
Yes, Sadie. Splash pool at our ‘home from home’ on the Garden Route.

We were set to do the Garden Route about 10-15 years ago, but we never achieved it.  Lucky you.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Erngath on December 31, 2020, 11:49:31 PM
Happy Hogmanay  everyone  and every hope and good wish for 2021.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: sadie on January 01, 2021, 12:07:05 AM
Happy New Year

All good wishes to every one for 2021

May this be the year that the case is solved and that Madeleine returns home.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on January 14, 2021, 09:19:56 PM

"When I saw the (NETFLIX) documentary, a few days before the police questioned me, I immediately knew that he was guilty," he reiterated. "When a female tourist talked about a man appearing at her door while her son was playing on the floor in front of the door - the description being that of a scary man with acne and blond hair - I knew it was Christian."
Michael Tatschl, now the father of a child, explained that the last time he was in Portugal was in February 2007, just a few months before Madeleine's disappearance. “I returned to Praia da Luz in February 2007 and found Christian camped near the city. He was loving it and I think he sold drugs. I stayed with him for a while and then I returned to Spain ”.

https://magg.sapo.pt/atualidade/artigos/sei-que-foi-ele-amigo-do-suspeito-de-raptar-maddie-nao-tem-duvidas-sobre-o-seu-envolvimento

Interesting. So, where was the CB's camping place near the "city" of PdL? If he was in the coverage zone of one of the two  Vodafone antennas serving PdL, he must registered more than one call for sure ... The two antennas appear in the PJ files.

Even he could be in his van when he received the 19:32 call on May 3, 2007 ...

I wonder now if the evidence HCW has is only a criminal profile report ... No, he has to have better evidence.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on January 14, 2021, 09:27:30 PM
Google search result:
"EXCLUSIVE: New child sex probe launched against Maddie ...www.theolivepress.es › Costa Blanca › crime
Sep 23, 2020 — ... another German, Manfred Seyferth, who had cleared out Brueckner's ... Michael Tatschl around a month after Maddie went missing in 2007."

Manfred and Michael Tatschl seem to be different people.

I understand CB was in prison with Michael Tatschl while Manfred Seyferth and Helge Busching went to "burglar" the farm house near and to the East of 5A.

 
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: jassi on January 15, 2021, 09:15:18 AM
Interesting. So, where was the CB's camping place near the "city" of PdL? If he was in the coverage zone of one of the two  Vodafone antennas serving PdL, he must registered more than one call for sure ... The two antennas appear in the PJ files.

Even he could be in his van when he received the 19:32 call on May 3, 2007 ...

I wonder now if the evidence HCW has is only a criminal profile report ... No, he has to have better evidence.

If he was within both zones at the same time, that would narrow it down somewhat.
I believe there is an overlap zone somewhere to the south west of the Tapas area and down towards the beach.

Perhaps there are other calls that are less 'helpful' to the police narrative, so are not of interest to them.

Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on January 15, 2021, 09:54:58 AM
I believe there is an overlap zone somewhere to the south west of the Tapas area and down towards the beach.
Why do you believe this?
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: jassi on January 15, 2021, 10:00:18 AM
Why do you believe this?

There's a map on this forum, somewhere, possibly posted by Misty or Myster.
Someone good at searching might even be able to find it.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: misty on January 15, 2021, 01:54:08 PM
Here's a SS of the phone triangulation which I think was shown on the 60mins Australian documentary (taken by someone on twitter). Heri may be able to identify the 3rd mast (Bensafrim?) apparently used for triangulation.

I wonder where Tatschl's proceeds of crime were being stored while he was in prison with CB?
Also worth mentioning that Christian P had also been asked to clear out the farmhouse by CB - wonder why one set of pilferers left certain goods for the others to take? (see http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11585.msg626421#msg626421)
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: barrier on January 15, 2021, 02:01:19 PM
Here's a SS of the phone triangulation which I think was shown on the 60mins Australian documentary (taken by someone on twitter). Heri may be able to identify the 3rd mast (Bensafrim?) apparently used for triangulation.

I wonder where Tatschl's proceeds of crime were being stored while he was in prison with CB?
Also worth mentioning that Christian P had also been asked to clear out the farmhouse by CB - wonder why one set of pilferers left certain goods for the others to take? (see http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11585.msg626421#msg626421)

When did this third mast appear ? in another thread Heri only suggests two at the time of the disappearance.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: misty on January 15, 2021, 02:08:16 PM
When did this third mast appear ? in another thread Heri only suggests two at the time of the disappearance.

I've only repeated what was shown on the documentary. Presumably someone within the investigation provided the show's producers with the data.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: The General on January 15, 2021, 02:20:09 PM
Here's a SS of the phone triangulation which I think was shown on the 60mins Australian documentary (taken by someone on twitter). Heri may be able to identify the 3rd mast (Bensafrim?) apparently used for triangulation.

I wonder where Tatschl's proceeds of crime were being stored while he was in prison with CB?
Also worth mentioning that Christian P had also been asked to clear out the farmhouse by CB - wonder why one set of pilferers left certain goods for the others to take? (see http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11585.msg626421#msg626421)
That picture's useless - without radii at least.
Hope we can get them.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: jassi on January 15, 2021, 02:24:04 PM
The map I saw did show those. The northern mast had a radius of 5Km, while the western one was  less, maybe 1 Km.
All from memory, I'm afraid. No cite, so believe it or not
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: The General on January 15, 2021, 02:29:44 PM
The map I saw did show those. The northern mast had a radius of 5Km, while the western one was  less, maybe 1 Km.
All from memory, I'm afraid. No cite, so believe it or not
If you're in a place, just in range of one cell tower, that could be 5 clicks?
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: jassi on January 15, 2021, 02:42:02 PM
If you're in a place, just in range of one cell tower, that could be 5 clicks?

In any direction.  Which might include some of Edgar's 'lawless villages'
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Myster on January 15, 2021, 02:50:38 PM
Here's a SS of the phone triangulation which I think was shown on the 60mins Australian documentary (taken by someone on twitter). Heri may be able to identify the 3rd mast (Bensafrim?) apparently used for triangulation.

I wonder where Tatschl's proceeds of crime were being stored while he was in prison with CB?
Also worth mentioning that Christian P had also been asked to clear out the farmhouse by CB - wonder why one set of pilferers left certain goods for the others to take? (see http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11585.msg626421#msg626421 (http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11585.msg626421#msg626421))
I think that's just a 60 Minutes OZ graphic designer's interpretation of where they assume the masts are or were located.  Having examined the two southerly cross-hairs and compared them to their relative positions on the actual Google overhead map of PdL, the masts they represent don't exist afaics.  As I mentioned in an earlier post, a new northern mast (palm tree) is located on a roundabout, but the cross-hair on the OZ interpretation is centred on a stretch of scrubland above a group of terraced dwellings/flats to the west where there now isn't any mast at all (unless it existed in 2007)...

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Praia+da+Luz,+Portugal/@37.0900993,-8.7346962,346a,35y,353.99h,39.61t/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0xd1b313e06bb3e13:0xef7864d9c488d609!8m2!3d37.090906!4d-8.7591311 (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Praia+da+Luz,+Portugal/@37.0900993,-8.7346962,346a,35y,353.99h,39.61t/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0xd1b313e06bb3e13:0xef7864d9c488d609!8m2!3d37.090906!4d-8.7591311)

Compare with OZ crosshair here...
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Myster on January 15, 2021, 02:55:43 PM
A better view...
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: jassi on January 15, 2021, 03:23:23 PM
Found Misty's post - http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11622.msg600874#msg600874
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Mr Gray on January 15, 2021, 03:32:57 PM
Why do you believe this?
Hi Heri... Were their two masts and did the phone ping to both. Do we know the range and position of each mast
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on January 15, 2021, 03:38:25 PM
Hi Heri... Were their two masts and did the phone ping to both. Do we know the range and position of each mast
There were two masts, but so far as I know only a call that activated only one of the masts.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: G-Unit on January 15, 2021, 03:39:29 PM
Found Misty's post - http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11622.msg600874#msg600874

Showing Optimus, not Vodaphone masts.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on January 15, 2021, 03:40:18 PM
Here's a SS of the phone triangulation which I think was shown on the 60mins Australian documentary (taken by someone on twitter). Heri may be able to identify the 3rd mast (Bensafrim?) apparently used for triangulation.

I wonder where Tatschl's proceeds of crime were being stored while he was in prison with CB?
Also worth mentioning that Christian P had also been asked to clear out the farmhouse by CB - wonder why one set of pilferers left certain goods for the others to take? (see http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11585.msg626421#msg626421)
Nice Australian picture. I like it. But it is wrong ...
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: jassi on January 15, 2021, 03:42:17 PM
Showing Optimus, not Vodaphone masts.

Were there 2 sets of mast there in 2007 carrying different signals ?
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on January 15, 2021, 03:51:38 PM
Were there 2 sets of mast there in 2007 carrying different signals ?
I am only talking about the two Vodafone masts. There were other masts belonging to TMN and Olimpus.
See this page: http://www.sharetechnote.com/html/Mobile/m_Cellular_Handover.html (http://www.sharetechnote.com/html/Mobile/m_Cellular_Handover.html)
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Mr Gray on January 15, 2021, 04:22:30 PM
There were two masts, but so far as I know only a call that activated only one of the masts.

do you know which mast it activated and the range. why would it only activate one mast...would that indicate it was out of range of the other
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on January 15, 2021, 04:29:00 PM
do you know which mast it activated and the range. why would it only activate one mast...would that indicate it was out of range of the other
It is no so easy. You activate the mast with the better output signal you receive ... But if this mast is busy, you activate the second mast with the better output signal ...
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: jassi on January 15, 2021, 04:46:43 PM
I am only talking about the two Vodafone masts. There were other masts belonging to TMN and Olimpus.
See this page: http://www.sharetechnote.com/html/Mobile/m_Cellular_Handover.html (http://www.sharetechnote.com/html/Mobile/m_Cellular_Handover.html)

I'm getting a bit confused now ( nothing unusual with that), but if there are other mast and signals, why are police concentrating on Vodafone. Or is that not the case ?
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Mr Gray on January 15, 2021, 04:52:06 PM
It is no so easy. You activate the mast with the better output signal you receive ... But if this mast is busy, you activate the second mast with the better output signal ...

I would think they have the data to see how busy the mast was...thanks for your help
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: misty on January 15, 2021, 07:38:26 PM
I'm getting a bit confused now ( nothing unusual with that), but if there are other mast and signals, why are police concentrating on Vodafone. Or is that not the case ?

The SIM card was Vodafone.
A question:-
In 2007 if you'd "acquired" a phone + SIM issued by a service provider other than Vodafone & had the phone opened up to use a Vodafone SIM, which mast or masts would the actual handset, not the number, have pinged?
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on January 15, 2021, 08:23:03 PM
When I get confused ... I return to the original source ... See attachment.

And of course, HCW talking, and properly translated.



 
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: Angelo222 on January 15, 2021, 08:36:20 PM
When I get confused ... I return to the original source ... See attachment.

And of course, HCW talking, and properly translated.

For someone who claims to have concrete evidence he appears to be all at sea. Will Wolters be pursuing everyone whose phone pinged a mast in PdL on the 3rd May 2007 or is it only CB who is being pursued?
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: jassi on January 15, 2021, 08:41:10 PM
For someone who claims to have concrete evidence he appears to be all at sea. Will Wolters be pursuing everyone whose phone pinged a mast in PdL on the 3rd May 2007 or is it only CB who is being pursued?

Perhaps it's a substandard concrete, like some motorway bridges were made of and will crumble if put to the test
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: G-Unit on January 15, 2021, 08:48:29 PM
I'm getting a bit confused now ( nothing unusual with that), but if there are other mast and signals, why are police concentrating on Vodafone. Or is that not the case ?

All three of the companies provided information and the phone number connected with Brueckner appeared in the info provided by Vodaphone.
Title: Re: Michael Tatschl
Post by: sadie on May 06, 2022, 11:03:22 PM
Unless, Brückner used a wig and props discovered at his residence.

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