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Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: Robittybob1 on January 22, 2021, 08:48:56 PM
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I'm getting reports that a Madeleine look-alike is alive. A person on my FB group is saying some interesting stuff that makes it sound like he has identified a girl in his area whom I think he's saying she is Madeleine McCann.
I'm getting scared, as what will happen now? How should I handle this situation?
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I'm getting reports that Madeleine is alive. A person on my FB group is saying some interesting stuff that makes it sound like he has identified a girl in his area whom I think he's saying she is Madeleine McCann.
I'm getting scared, as what will happen now? How should I handle this situation?
Is his name Stan
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Is his name Stan
were You thinking of William Logan? No it is not Stan. I'm am trying to handle this the best I can. I'm saving the comments (in case they are deleted) and getting the profile of the person writing the information.
Just noticed he is from Germany.
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were You thinking of William Logan? No it is not Stan. I'm am trying to handle this the best I can. I'm saving the comments (in case they are deleted) and getting the profile of the person writing the information.
Just noticed he is from Germany.
I was joking...you are being wound up again... Why do you believe this rubbish
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I was joking...you are being wound up again... Why do you believe this rubbish
I can't share the actual posts just yet but there is no indication that he is joking at this stage. If I get his permission I will PM them to you or post them on the forum.
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Just waiting and seeing what happens next.
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I admire your persistence, Rob, but haven't we done this all before?
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I think this thread is a big mistake.
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I admire your persistence, Rob, but haven't we done this all before?
Have we? I can't remember any previous occasions. In the end, we have to look into every occurrence till we strike it lucky. I just recall that Myasia Gibbs event and how I didn't handle it correctly to start with, that is why I'm asking for advice.
I think this thread is a big mistake.
What is your reasoning? If I get the advice I need, and handle it correctly, what could be wrong with it?
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Have we? I can't remember any previous occasions. In the end, we have to look into every occurrence till we strike it lucky. I just recall that Myasia Gibbs event and how I didn't handle it correctly to start with, that is why I'm asking for advice.
What is your reasoning? If I get the advice I need, and handle it correctly, what could be wrong with it?
You should know better than to make such sensationalist announcements that could be read by anyone and raise hope and expectations. It is almost certainly going to turn out to be a scam or false, so why not establish the veracity of the claim privately before starting such a thread?
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If you seriously think there is anything to this rumour the thing to do is contact Operation Grange, not start discussing it on a forum. IMO.
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If you seriously think there is anything to this rumour the thing to do is contact Operation Grange, not start discussing it on a forum. IMO.
We are discussing how to handle it. That's all. OK, if I contact OG I don't get any reply ( from experience). So it essential to have other things correct too.
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You should know better than to make such sensationalist announcements that could be read by anyone and raise hope and expectations. It is almost certainly going to turn out to be a scam or false, so why not establish the veracity of the claim privately before starting such a thread?
There have been plenty of sightings of Madeleine McCann over the years so that is nothing new, but what is new is that the sighting has been reported to me.
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How many reports of Madeleine being alive have you received?
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How many reports of Madeleine being alive have you received?
At this stage it is two posts from the same person, but with significantly different information. (not like the same post, posted twice.)
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Rob, you are doing the right thing taking notice of this.
It is probably a scam, but we don't know. Keep all the copies of the posts and personally I would be inclined to say no more about it publicly on forum, just in case
Davel is rightI suggest that you send everything to OG.
Better to be wrong, than miss a possible opportunity to find Madeleine.
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Rob, you are doing the right thing taking notice of this.
It is probably a scam, but we don't know. Keep all the copies of the posts and personally I would be inclined to say no more about it publicly on forum, just in case
Davel is right, send everything to OG.
Better to be wrong, than miss a possible opportunity to find Madeleine.
I thought OG had finished. I'll have get an email address for NSY.
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I thought OG had finished. I'll have get an email address for NSY.
I didn't know that. When did OG finish ?
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I have seen the photo of the girl he was thinking it might be Madeleine but I doubt it as the eye color was out.
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I didn't know that. When did OG finish ?
It hasn't. Skeletons are still on the staff until BoJo and Richy spare them another dollop from their bottomless Covid relief pit. You should quit Farcebook, Rob... It's addling your thinking.
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I have seen the photo of the girl he was thinking it might be Madeleine but I doubt it as the eye color was out.
Nothing like her... too pretty. Mind you, panstick can cover a multitude of sins.
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It hasn't. Skeletons are still on the staff until BoJo and Richy spare them another dollop from their bottomless Covid relief pit. You should quit Farcebook, Rob... It's addling your thinking.
Well some years back I thought they had disbanded OG and just included it into the normal SY budget.
But the website gives specific contact details.
"Contact details for Operation Grange
Ways to contact us:
By phone: 0207 321 9251
By email: Operation.grange@met.police.uk"
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Well some years back I thought they had disbanded OG and just included it into the normal SY budget.
But the website gives specific contact details.
"Contact details for Operation Grange
Ways to contact us:
By phone: 0207 321 9251
By email: Operation.grange@met.police.uk"
Only four left on the staff, or so I read.
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Only four left on the staff, or so I read.
I had the wrong impression about OG. Forgive me.
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Rob, you are doing the right thing taking notice of this.
It is probably a scam, but we don't know. Keep all the copies of the posts and personally I would be inclined to say no more about it publicly on forum, just in case
Davel is right, send everything to OG.
Better to be wrong, than miss a possible opportunity to find Madeleine.
Best forward it to Wolters he's the one saying he has evidence she is dead.
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Best forward it to Wolters he's the one saying he has evidence she is dead.
I'd do that if I had an email address.
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I have seen the photo of the girl he was thinking it might be Madeleine but I doubt it as the eye color was out.
Who is Bernhart Fischer
Has he suggested you need to send him money for more information
Where does he suggest you go from here.
That looks like a professional photo.. Where did he get it
I will try a reverse image search on my pc
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Who is Bernhart Fischer
Has he suggested you need to send him money for more information
It seems he is on a ‘Madeleine’ facebook page. Along with William Logan/Tell. My opinion.
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This one probably...
https://www.facebook.com/103632280247586/posts/romance-scammer-heinz-bernhart-fischer-60-yo-from-lagos-nigeria/388872721723539/]] (https://www.facebook.com/103632280247586/posts/romance-scammer-heinz-bernhart-fischer-60-yo-from-lagos-nigeria/388872721723539/)
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This one probably...
https://www.facebook.com/103632280247586/posts/romance-scammer-heinz-bernhart-fischer-60-yo-from-lagos-nigeria/388872721723539/]] (https://www.facebook.com/103632280247586/posts/romance-scammer-heinz-bernhart-fischer-60-yo-from-lagos-nigeria/388872721723539/)
I doubt anyone from Nigeria would have a lot of knowledge of the McCann case. Definitely not a Nigerian scammer but a really good find. I just hope there is no scammer that has adopted my internet name.
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It sounds to me to be a group of people doing the same thing that we are doing. Nothing wrong with that and someone might come up with something useful. But I doubt it is The Holy Grail and nor do I see any harm in sharing it.
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Bernhard Fischer I found your posts and comments to be like riddles and at times, illiterate. You make no sense what so ever and don't back up your claims with genuine facts. You are becoming a laughing stock amongst members of genuine groups. You could start up your own group, showing evidence and back up to all your theories. I wait in anticipation! 🙄😁
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It seems he is on a ‘Madeleine’ facebook page. Along with William Logan/Tell. My opinion.
There seemed an important line there "if you think she is still alive who removed her from 5A". Someone is asking BF who took MM out of 5A.
Bernhard Fischer I found your posts and comments to be like riddles and at times, illiterate. You make no sense what so ever and don't back up your claims with genuine facts. You are becoming a laughing stock amongst members of genuine groups. You could start up your own group, showing evidence and back up to all your theories. I wait in anticipation! 🙄😁
Was that you asking BF that?
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There seemed an important line there "if you think she is still alive who removed her from 5A". Someone is asking BF who took MM out of 5A.
Was that you asking BF that?
That is a comment to him from another member of a MM FB, group
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Who is Bernhart Fischer
Has he suggested you need to send him money for more information
Where does he suggest you go from here.
That looks like a professional photo.. Where did he get it
I will try a reverse image search on my pc
What is a "reverse image search"?
Do you get a different result from just a normal image search?
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Rob.. If he thinks she's still alive and knows where what does he intend to do... He sounds like a crank
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I have seen the photo of the girl he was thinking it might be Madeleine but I doubt it as the eye color was out.
From a Google image search "
Image size:
150 × 156
No other sizes of this image found.
Possible related search: Wrinkle"
Google thought it was like photos about wrinkle treatments etc. Can you see any wrinkles?
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Davel - Sadie didn't think OG was closed. http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11876.msg636832#msg636832
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She's nothing like MM would now appear... ask Sadie, our resident portraitist. Her eyes are closer together, her nares, alae and tip are a different shape and the distance between the base of her nose and upper lip is less than MM's would be.
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Here’s “Maddie” given a full makeover on this website
https://esteticaanayrizabal.com/curso-aprende-a-maquillarte
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She crops up here on an Israeli website
https://eventa.co.il/?p=1931
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Here she is in Poland
http://www.sanyo.com.pl/
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http://www.rooitamatie.co.za/
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Maddie appears to have become a model whose stock photo has been used numerous times by websites around the world. What a turn up for the books! Amazing its taken all this time to find her really...
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She crops up here on an Israeli website
https://eventa.co.il/?p=1931
That is 100% the same girl same photo robs been scammed again
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Here’s “Maddie” given a full makeover on this website
https://esteticaanayrizabal.com/curso-aprende-a-maquillarte
That does look very similar.
(https://esteticaanayrizabal.com/images/tratamientos/faciales/img/curso-aprende-a-maquillarte_HJS72jsa.jpg)
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Here she is in Poland
http://www.sanyo.com.pl/ (http://www.sanyo.com.pl/)
LOL!
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http://www.rooitamatie.co.za/
What a laugh! (http://www.rooitamatie.co.za/wp/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/1.jpg)
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That does look very similar.
(https://esteticaanayrizabal.com/images/tratamientos/faciales/img/curso-aprende-a-maquillarte_HJS72jsa.jpg)
Rob, it is the same photo photoshopped.
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That is 100% the same girl same photo robs been scammed again
I never thought it was Madeleine.
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She crops up here on an Israeli website
https://eventa.co.il/?p=1931
Goodness me, that was interesting.
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Rob, it is the same photo photoshopped.
How did you do your search to get so many results?
(https://cabelo.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/adult-art-artistic-235462-e1536940308300.jpg)
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Goodness me, that was interesting.
Below her photo it says "
Efrat Hadar is an event designer by profession. She has been involved in productions and events during her studies at Shenkar College in the Faculty of Design. Efrat breathes and lives the world of events, and the blog was written to provide tips and ideas to the general public for producing various events."
Remember in the PJ file the daughter of Jez Wilkins had a Hebrew name.
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Below her photo it says "
Efrat Hadar is an event designer by profession. She has been involved in productions and events during her studies at Shenkar College in the Faculty of Design. Efrat breathes and lives the world of events, and the blog was written to provide tips and ideas to the general public for producing various events."
Remember in the PJ file the daughter of Jez Wilkins had a Hebrew name.
Did the templars nab the wrong one !
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How did you do your search to get so many results?
(https://cabelo.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/adult-art-artistic-235462-e1536940308300.jpg)
The Israeli one is the exact same photo
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Did the templars nab the wrong one !
She looks alright to me!
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Below her photo it says "
Efrat Hadar is an event designer by profession. She has been involved in productions and events during her studies at Shenkar College in the Faculty of Design. Efrat breathes and lives the world of events, and the blog was written to provide tips and ideas to the general public for producing various events."
Remember in the PJ file the daughter of Jez Wilkins had a Hebrew name.
LOL.. Keep digging a bigger hole.
You want to dismiss Wolters yet are prepared to accept any rubbish on FB
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LOL.. Keep digging a bigger hole.
You want to dismiss Wolters yet are prepared to accept any rubbish on FB
This isn't on FB it is several sites from many countries across the world. Maybe there is a business that sells images to be used in adverts.
The photo is of a real girl living somewhere in the world. Who is she?
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Did the templars nab the wrong one !
Naughty, but it was funny.
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Naughty, but it was funny.
8((()*/
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Below her photo it says "
Efrat Hadar is an event designer by profession. She has been involved in productions and events during her studies at Shenkar College in the Faculty of Design. Efrat breathes and lives the world of events, and the blog was written to provide tips and ideas to the general public for producing various events."
Remember in the PJ file the daughter of Jez Wilkins had a Hebrew name.
Jez Wilkins daughter's name began with an 'O', not an 'E'.
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How did you do your search to get so many results?
(https://cabelo.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/adult-art-artistic-235462-e1536940308300.jpg)
Magic 8(>((
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I found this picture when I was trawling the internet earlier and thought it might be Madeleine. What do others think?
https://images.app.goo.gl/Qgpp7rKCo3mc8D9LA
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This isn't on FB it is several sites from many countries across the world. Maybe there is a business that sells images to be used in adverts.
The photo is of a real girl living somewhere in the world. Who is she?
There are several sites that sell stock images for web sites
Dreamstime.. Shutterstock.
You dismiss Woltetd but are prepared to believe an anonymous poster of FB who has, sent you a fake image. He foes not know this girl... He's never met her... He sounds like a complete liar... Have you contacted Grange yet.. Please dont
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Magic 8(>((
Magic alright.
There are several sites that sell stock images for web sites
Dreamstime.. Shutterstock.
You dismiss Woltetd but are prepared to believe an anonymous poster of FB who has, sent you a fake image. He foes not know this girl... He's never met her... He sounds like a complete liar... Have you contacted Grange yet.. Please dont
I haven't questioned BF yet about this person, but it seems someone sent the image to him.
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Magic alright.
I haven't questioned BF yet about this person, but it seems someone sent the image to him.
Why did you start a thread and not question him...
I think it's clear the case is solved without any input from crackpots off FB
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Why did you start a thread and not question him...
I think it's clear the case is solved without any input from crackpots off FB
I wanted help like you all have done very well actually. We have found it is an image of a girl that is used in ads all over the world. Still doesn't mean it couldn't be Madeleine but the eye colour is wrong, and the coloboma defect is not showing up. (In fact I haven't actually checked as yet).
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Jez Wilkins daughter's name began with an 'O', not an 'E'.
Orli
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Orli
ORLY?
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ORLY?
I do so love this expression. Especially when verbalised. It was Bonny Braes who first thought of this one.
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I wanted help like you all have done very well actually. We have found it is an image of a girl that is used in ads all over the world. Still doesn't mean it couldn't be Madeleine but the eye colour is wrong, and the coloboma defect is not showing up. (In fact I haven't actually checked as yet).
Why do you think this girl could be Madeleine
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Why do you think this girl could be Madeleine
We don't really know what Madeleine looks like today. I tend to think she would have more lines and dimples than this model does but who's to say?
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We don't really know what Madeleine looks like today. I tend to think she would have more lines and dimples than this model does but who's to say?
Why do you think this girl could be Madeleine... Why this one as opposed to any other photo
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Why do you think this girl could be Madeleine... Why this one as opposed to any other photo
I thought I had answered this question. I'll turn it around and ask you: "Why do you think this girl could NOT be Madeleine?"
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I thought I had answered this question. I'll turn it around and ask you: "Why do you think this girl could NOT be Madeleine?"
Oh Rob. Don't turn into Tesko.
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I thought I had answered this question. I'll turn it around and ask you: "Why do you think this girl could NOT be Madeleine?"
That's basically a stupid question and you should realise that....but you obviously don't.
It'd absolutely stupid to pit up a thoto and say this could be Madeleine without any reasons to support the claim. I think you are making yourself look ridiculous
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Rob, you are doing the right thing taking notice of this.
It is probably a scam, but we don't know. Keep all the copies of the posts and personally I would be inclined to say no more about it publicly on forum, just in case
Davel is right, send everything to OG.
Better to be wrong, than miss a possible opportunity to find Madeleine.
Do you really believe that is a possibility? Didn't you believe she was abducted by a paedophile? Apologies in advance if I'm misrepresenting your opinion.
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Could we purlease keep this polite? As you are all capable of doing. It is at six pages now so not entirely a waste of anyone's time.
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Do you really believe that is a possibility? Didn't you believe she was abducted by a paedophile? Apologies in advance if I'm misrepresenting your opinion.
You are somewhat misrepresenting Sadie's Opinion.
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Could we purlease keep this polite? As you are all capable of doing. It is at six pages now so not entirely a waste of anyone's time.
Depends what the purpose of the thread was really - if it was to give us all a laugh maybe not a complete waste of time no.
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I doubt anyone from Nigeria would have a lot of knowledge of the McCann case. Definitely not a Nigerian scammer but a really good find. I just hope there is no scammer that has adopted my internet name.
Someone pinched mine in the early days, but as far as I am aware they were not very active. I had to change my name temporarily.
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Depends what the purpose of the thread was really - if it was to give us all a laugh maybe not a complete waste of time no.
What else is there to talk about?
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What else is there to talk about?
Exactly, it keeps the forum from going stale.
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I have seen the photo of the girl he was thinking it might be Madeleine but I doubt it as the eye color was out.
Very pretty girl.
Eye colour can be changed by the addition of special lenses which are also intended to hide colobomas, which as we all know Madeleine had in the one eye. I have gone through this twice before on the forum.
However, I don't think that this girl is Madeleine. Gerry has a long distance from his lip to the underside of his nose (top of cupids bow to underside of nose), Madeleine has this too. The young lady in the photo does not have this and proportions like that cannot be changed
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Very pretty girl.
Eye colour can be changed by the addition of special lenses which are also intended to hide colobomas, which as we all know Madeleine had in the one eye. I have gone through this twice before on the forum.
However, I don't think that this girl is Madeleine. Gerry has a long distance from his lip to the underside of his nose (top of cupids bow to underside of nose), Madeleine has this too. The young lady in the photo does not have this and proportions like that cannot be changed
That is unless plastic surgery is used and I am not sure that this would be used; it seems a bit extreme
Any scars would be in the nostril fold, I think. Can anyone see any?
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Very pretty girl.
Eye colour can be changed by the addition of special lenses which are also intended to hide colobomas, which as we all know Madeleine had in the one eye. I have gone through this twice before on the forum.
However, I don't think that this girl is Madeleine. Gerry has a long distance from his lip to the underside of his nose (top of cupids bow to underside of nose), Madeleine has this too. The young lady in the photo does not have this and proportions like that cannot be changed
It's not Madeleine full stop. Why did anyone think it was.
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It's not Madeleine full stop. Why did anyone think it was.
For a laugh and for something to talk about it would seem.
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Next we’ll have a thread to discuss whether Madeleine is one of the children involved in the QAnon conspiracy.
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Next we’ll have a thread to discuss whether Madeleine is one of the children involved in the QAnon conspiracy.
Unlikely as there was no Pizza Hut in PdL at the time.
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She's nothing like MM would now appear... ask Sadie, our resident portraitist. Her eyes are closer together, her nares, alae and tip are a different shape and the distance between the base of her nose and upper lip is less than MM's would be.
I agree, myster. The nose to upper lip measurement was the defining feature for me, but as you say there are other anomalies between the two faces..
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I agree, myster. The nose to upper lip measurement was the defining feature for me, but as you say there are other anomalies between the two faces..
Its paid for image from an online library. So who claimed to Rob it was a MM and on what basis. Its totally absurd imo
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Below her photo it says "
Efrat Hadar is an event designer by profession. She has been involved in productions and events during her studies at Shenkar College in the Faculty of Design. Efrat breathes and lives the world of events, and the blog was written to provide tips and ideas to the general public for producing various events."
Remember in the PJ file the daughter of Jez Wilkins had a Hebrew name.
There is a high proportion of Jewish/Hebrew names amongst children that have been abducted/vanished. Had quite a long list of them at one time.
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I agree, myster. The nose to upper lip measurement was the defining feature for me, but as you say there are other anomalies between the two faces..
Its paid for image from an online library. So who claimed to Rob it was a MM and on what basis. Its totally absurd imo
Reminds me of a stock image used by a Nigerian imposter on Match.com, who almost scammed me out of £600 several years ago. After chatting to this 'female' textile buyer for two weeks, said 'she' was stranded at an Egyptian airport and couldn't use 'her' bank card for a return flight ticket for some inexplicable reason. To add insult to injury, 'she' added that 'her' 10 year old son had been seriously injured in an RTA, so had to return to England asap and would I pick 'her' up at Manchester airport. The penny then dropped, so I sent my final email and told 'her' to FO.
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Reminds me of a stock image used by a Nigerian imposter on Match.com, who almost scammed me out of £600 several years ago. After chatting to this 'female' textile buyer for two weeks, said 'she' was stranded at an Egyptian airport and couldn't use 'her' bank card for a return flight ticket for some inexplicable reason. To add insult to injury, 'she' added that 'her' 10 year old son had been seriously injured in an RTA, so had to return to England asap and would I pick 'her' up at Manchester airport. The penny then dropped, so I sent my final email and told 'her' to FO.
Jeez, you never really got nearly Tooken, did you? Mind you, we are a bit more wise these days.
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Do you really believe that is a possibility? Didn't you believe she was abducted by a paedophile? Apologies in advance if I'm misrepresenting your opinion.
I believe that she was probably abducted by a massive global people trafficking group, which trafficks children for paedophilic reasons but also abducts children occasionally to order for other reasons.
I believe that Madeleine was abducted to order; that it was completely planned and Madeleine was specifically abducted for a reason.
The reason for Madeleines specific abduction has yet to be determined.
I have put forward ideas that have been ridiculed, but might be right, bizarre though they seem. They also might be completely wrong because I have only based my ideas on historical happenings and things that I have noticed and linked. There must be other reasons why a little girl would be abducted (stolen) and I must go back there one day and re-explore ideas. If I have the energy and time. Sadly, however, I doubt that I will ever manage it.
Tbh, I quite like my bizarre ideas for the reasons for her abduction. One option of that is that potentially it could produce mighty power and unbelievable mega bucks to the perps.
I am not going thru it again. If you are bent on a good ridiculing go at me, then you will have to look it up yourselves. Maybe there is some quiet thoughtful soul on here that can see the possibility of what I have been saying.
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Jeez, you never really got nearly Tooken, did you? Mind you, we are a bit more wise these days.
'Tis a true story, but he never received any ill-gotten gains... although 'she' was very pretty. 8(8-))
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'Tis a true story, but he never received any ill-gotten gains... although 'she' was very pretty. 8(8-))
I actually want to laugh about this, except that I got tooken in real life by someone close to me and for a bit more than 600 Quid. So now I just laugh at my own stupidity. But it wasn't very funny at the time.
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'Tis a true story, but he never received any ill-gotten gains... although 'she' was very pretty. 8(8-))
One of my FB friends (actually quite a well known musician and songwriter) received an email message from a beautiful Russian woman (obviously a scamster on the make) who he strung along for weeks, publishing their correspondence on his page, together with the increasingly saucy photos “she” was sending him. It was quit hilarious, “she” obviously had no idea she was being played like a fiddle for all our amusement.
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I actually want to laugh about this, except that I got tooken in real life by someone close to me and for a bit more than 600 Quid. So now I just laugh at my own stupidity. But it wasn't very funny at the time.
Unfortunately you have to ‘live’ to ‘learn’. If only we could do it the other way round.
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Unfortunately you have to ‘live’ to ‘learn’. If only we could do it the other way round.
Well, you wouldn't actually learn anything then, would you? Although what I was supposed to learn still defeats me.
But then, I wasn't the real loser. That much I do know.
So don't give up Trust, Rob. Just don't put any money on it.
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I've got a lovely story but I daren't share ....
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Its paid for image from an online library. So who claimed to Rob it was a MM and on what basis. Its totally absurd imo
Is the photo of an actual person?
Do you know who that person is?
Do you know where the actual person lives?
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I've got a lovely story but I daren't share ....
Oh, do come on. We must all have been a bit daft at some point. It's how you deal with it that matters. And at least Rob comes bouncing back.
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I've got a lovely story but I daren't share ....
Come on Davel be part of the team.
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Is the photo of an actual person?
Do you know who that person is?
Do you know where the actual person lives?
Thats a photo of an actual person taken from an online library
Does your informant know her name or where she lives.....Im sure the answer is no
What grounds do you have to suspect its maddie...again im sure its none
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Oh, do come on. We must all have been a bit daft at some point. It's how you deal with it that matters. And at least Rob comes bouncing back.
It seemed daft to some but it was successful. Not everyone online is a scammer. The important thing to do is seperate the wheat from the chaff
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Come on Davel be part of the team.
its a shame I cant but there isnt really a team here. you arent aware of the abuse i received about 4 yeras ago when stephen found my true identity and googled my private life. He and other posters here even insulted my wife...so i dont really see a team
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Oh, do come on. We must all have been a bit daft at some point. It's how you deal with it that matters. And at least Rob comes bouncing back.
I was being set up for a scam last night. This person was writing to me on Messenger pretending to be Paula Woodward. They must have accessed her account somehow to know she was a friend of mine.
But because they didn't know how I was introduced to her they stopped writing to me once I asked for personal identification. I have now reported that conversation to Facebook.
Here is part of the conversation.
Scammer:
"Really thanks much
Glad to hear from you
I hope all is well with you and your family over there?
Robittybob1:
Have you ever considered that the accident started With Melinda Ramsey hiding JonBenet in the wine cellar?
I know it isn't a particularly popular theory, but it is one that fits every bit of evidence.
Scammer:
Yes I have and did you see the message I sent to you last week about the new year personal grant program?
No, I might have missed it. " the new year personal grant program?" Any chance of sending it again, please.
This new program was established by the Federal Government with the conjunction of World Bank to helps people in the society to meet up their needs which i also benefit from,i can give you the info so you also look into it as well.i got $100,000 delivered to me when i apply for the grant and I don’t have to pay it back have you heard of attorney Rebecca Taylor before?
Robittybob1:
attorney Rebecca Taylor - No new to me. You know that I live in New Zealand. $100,000 certainly wouldn't go amiss.
Scammer:
It does not mean because this is a new program
Attorney Rebecca Taylor is the one that help me get my grant she is good and honest woman
I will give you her private Facebook link now so that you can also look into it
Robittybob1:
Do you have more than one Facebook account? For I thought we had talked a couple of years ago but this conversation only started last week.
Scammer:
Yes I just bought a new phone
http://m.me//Rebeccataylor.1262
Rebecca Taylor
Click on this link to send her message she is online now
Just send her message that you you are ready to claim the grant do it now and keep me updated
Robittybob1:
Paula how can I be sure I'm talking to Paula Woodward?
Scammer:
Why are you asking me this is real and legit
Am just telling you to apply for it
Robittybob1:
It seems to be to good to be true. Who is the person that introduced me to you?
Her name start with J
Who was Melinda's boyfriend?
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Is the photo of an actual person?
Do you know who that person is?
Do you know where the actual person lives?
I think it probably came from here. Its a resource used when making a webdsite...ther eare probably a million pictures
https://www.shutterstock.com/search/beautiful+girls+face
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I got suspicious when the scammer said they agreed with my theory. Would Paula Woodward, who is a friend of John Ramsey, consider that his only daughter killed the younger daughter. I had my doubts about that.
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I think it probably came from here. Its a resource used when making a webdsite...ther eare probably a million pictures
https://www.shutterstock.com/search/beautiful+girls+face
I need the original name of the actual person.
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its a shame I cant but there isnt really a team here. you arent aware of the abuse i received about 4 yeras ago when stephen found my true identity and googled my private life. He and other posters here even insulted my wife...so i dont really see a team
Times change Davel.
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It seemed daft to some but it was successful. Not everyone online is a scammer. The important thing to do is seperate the wheat from the chaff
Well how did you manage that?
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Times change Davel.
But people dont rob...a leopard never changes it spots
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Times change Davel.
And sometimes hurt dies hard.
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Well how did you manage that?
If we were really a team i would say . I have a lot of respect for some posters...unfortunately not all
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Thats a photo of an actual person taken from an online library
Does your informant know her name or where she lives.....Im sure the answer is no
What grounds do you have to suspect its maddie...again im sure its none
An actual person has an actual name and lives at an actual address.
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And sometimes hurt dies hard.
I think I told you that at the time my wife was receiving abuse from some posters here...she was sufferring from breast cancer...so not nice
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An actual person has an actual name and lives at an actual address.
So do we know taht persons name and address...seriously...what suggested she was maddie
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I think it probably came from here. Its a resource used when making a webdsite...ther eare probably a million pictures
https://www.shutterstock.com/search/beautiful+girls+face
Are you a member?
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I think I told you that at the time my wife was receiving abuse from some posters here...she was sufferring from breast cancer...so not nice
Yes, you did. And it wasn't nice? But Stephen didn't come out very well in the end. Sad to say.
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Are you a member?
Ive bought som eimages from there so i have an account. there isnt raelly a precise search facility apart from ..beautiful girls face..
Thats a very professional photo and apppears on several different websites so I would think its from there
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Yes, you did. And it wasn't nice? But Stephen didn't come out very well in the end. Sad to say.
Believe it or not I do have a lot of sympathy for him
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Believe it or not I do have a lot of sympathy for him
I am quite certain that you do.
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Ive bought some images from there so i have an account. there isnt really a precise search facility apart from ..beautiful girls face..
That's a very professional photo and appears on several different websites so I would think its from there
What I was wondering was if there was a way to link the photo we are considering to a video in the video section. We'd be more likely to recognise Madeleine from a video as opposed to just a still photograph.
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What I was wondering was if there was a way to link the photo we are considering to a video in the video section. We'd be more likely to recognise Madeleine from a video as opposed to just a still photograph.
it definitely isnt Maddie...so I dont really know what youa re trying to do
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it definitely isnt Maddie...so I dont really know what youa re trying to do
I want proof it isn't Madeleine grown up.
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I want proof it isn't Madeleine grown up.
You can't prove a negative, Rob.
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I want proof it isn't Madeleine grown up.
What makes you think it is? You’ve already acknowledged this was a scam have you not?
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I want proof it isn't Madeleine grown up.
Ive asked you several times...what makes you think it could be Maddie....you havent been able to give one reason
Im afraid I think you are a very poor detective
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You can't prove a negative, Rob.
Is that right?
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If Impost a random picture of a woman I think looks a bit like Madeleine will you want proof it’s not her also?
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If Impost a random picture of a woman I think looks a bit like Madeleine will you want proof it’s not her also?
Probably not as I'm good at recognising faces. You try me out. You find a face you think could be Madeleine and see if I need proof.
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Probably not as I'm good at recognising faces. You try me out. You find a face you think could be Madeleine and see if I need proof.
I already did this morning
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I already did this morning
That to me was obviously not an English face. There was no question and we all thought the same.
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Jesus wept.
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Jesus wept.
Would you give him a handkerchief please?
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That to me was obviously not an English face. There was no question and we all thought the same.
Who is we?
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Who is we?
The team. Did anyone agree with you?
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The team. Did anyone agree with you?
I'm with Vs... Not sure anyone thinks this is not another scam
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The team. Did anyone agree with you?
I didn’t see anyone comment on it, please provide cites.
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Ive asked you several times...what makes you think it could be Maddie....you havent been able to give one reason
Im afraid I think you are a very poor detective
Totally unfair Dave. Sorry to have to say that.
I personally am very impressed by the way that Rob looks at every small detail and tries to thoroughly analyse everything after receiving input from other posters. That's the way to go about it, IMO, especially now that it is so late in the day. More observers and minds bring more memories flooding back.
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Can we stop the petty squabbling please?
Thanks ever so in anticipation.
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Totally unfair Dave. Sorry to have to say that.
I personally am very impressed by the way that Rob looks at every small detail and tries to thoroughly analyse everything after receiving input from other posters. That's the way to go about it, IMO, especially now that it is so late in the day. More observers and minds bring more memories flooding back.
I'm very unimpressed with the way Rob is acting. This photo is not Maddie... What made Rob even think it was. What info does he have..for all his claims Rob hasn't come up with one piece of useful information and he seems very easily fooled by random strangers
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I didn’t see anyone comment on it, please provide cites.
Exactly!
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I'm very unimpressed with the way Rob is acting. This photo is not Maddie... What made Rob even think it was. What info does he have..for all his claims Rob hasn't come up with one piece of useful information and he seems very easily fooled by random strangers
What rules it out being Madeleine?
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What rules it out being Madeleine?
The same thing that rules me out...and yourself.
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The same thing that rules me out...and yourself.
Too old??? How can we tell how old she is?
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I'm with Vs... Not sure anyone thinks this is not another scam
Do you even know what you are talking about?
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Too old??? How can we tell how old she is?
No not too old....too not-Madeleine.
I really don’t think you’re as daft as you are making out Rob...but apologies if I’m wrong.
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No not too old....too not-Madeleine.
I really don’t think you’re as daft as you are making out Rob...but apologies if I’m wrong.
I've already stated I don't think it was Madeleine McCann. But that was just on eye colour and unclear coloboma defect. But I did wonder if that was enough to rule her out altogether?
Now that we have found 5 or so other images of the same girl it should become clear whether there was a coloboma defect visible and what her eye colour was.
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I've already stated I don't think it was Madeleine McCann. But that was just on eye colour and unclear coloboma defect. But I did wonder if that was enough to rule her out altogether?
Now that we have found 5 or so other images of the same girl it should become clear whether there was a coloboma defect visible and what her eye colour was.
When does the image date from?
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When does the image date from?
Good question. I'd say that would be a trade secret.
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Good question. I'd say that would be a trade secret.
I’d say that that fact was absolutely crucial. This photo could be 20 years old.
You’re no Hercule Poirot, are you Rob?
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I’d say that that fact was absolutely crucial. This photo could be 20 years old.
You’re no Hercule Poirot, are you Rob?
Rob's working things out much better than you are.
Rob's doing alright. Leave him alone.
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I’d say that that fact was absolutely crucial. This photo could be 20 years old.
You’re no Hercule Poirot, are you Rob?
More a Clouseaux TBH.
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Rob's working things out much better than you are.
Rob's doing alright. Leave him alone.
it's a bit of team work.
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I’d say that that fact was absolutely crucial. This photo could be 20 years old.
You’re no Hercule Poirot, are you Rob?
If it was 20 years old it would have faded somewhat by now.
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"Nastassja Kinski photographed by Angelo Frontoni, c.1980"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nastassja_Kinski
We have not got a name for the BF photo, but the uploads were from sept 2018. and later.
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http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11876.msg636989#msg636989
"Is the photo of an actual person?
Do you know who that person is?
Do you know where the actual person lives?"
This was the point of the reports I read that someone knew where this girl lived, or at least within a 5 mile radius.
I will try and get more data soon.
[I had originally put "5 km" but BF in his post had written "5 miles", even though he is German.]
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Exactly!
Rob, what are you on about?
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http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11876.msg636989#msg636989
"Is the photo of an actual person?
Do you know who that person is?
Do you know where the actual person lives?"
This was the point of the reports I read that someone knew where this girl lived, or at least within a 5km radius.
I will try and get more data soon.
Have you been back to the person who claimed this girl was Madeleine McCann and asked him or her for more info about this picture? Like - who took it, when and where, snd how come it’s been plastered all over the internet for years already?
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There is absolutely nothing to suggest this is Maddie.
Both Rob and Sadie are both looking quite foolish imo
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Keep it polite, please.
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There is absolutely nothing to suggest this is Maddie.
Both Rob and Sadie are both looking quite foolish imo
Well I think it's Maddie.
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What we can say as a fact is that no one has produced any evidence that this is Maddie. None whatsoever.
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More a Clouseaux TBH.
He got there more by accident than design.
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More a Clouseaux TBH.
It's Not My Dog.
Sorry, couldn't resist.
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Have you been back to the person who claimed this girl was Madeleine McCann and asked him or her for more info about this picture? Like - who took it, when and where, snd how come it’s been plastered all over the internet for years already?
Facebook doesn't work like that. I'll try and get it but we all have to be a little patient. This whole exploration could be all news to him as well. We've done a bit of homework and we can confidently say her picture has "been plastered all over the internet for years already". But what does that mean with respect to the actual person? She still exists.
I didn't know it was going to end up being a case like this when I started the thread. I'm surprised and I'm sure he will be too.
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There is absolutely nothing to suggest this is Maddie.
Both Rob and Sadie are both looking quite foolish imo
How can it be proved otherwise?
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What we can say as a fact is that no one has produced any evidence that this is Maddie. None whatsoever.
Well, what sort of proof do you want?
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He got there more by accident than design.
Exactly how I feel ATM.
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How can it be proved otherwise?
That's, called a celestial teapot argument and is a, sign that someone has, no evidence to support their case. It's regarded as, an argument used by someone who has, lost the, argument.
I can say it can't be Maddie because Maddie, is, dead... Can you prove otherwise
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Well, what sort of proof do you want?
Read the post again I said evidence... What evidence do you have to suggest this is Maddie. It looks like the answer is none.
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The pic above was the one I first saw and it seems to be the original of https://cabelo.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/adult-art-artistic-235462-e1536940308300.jpg before it was enhanced in some way.
If this was taken before or on 09/2018 Madeleine McCann would have been 15 years and 4 months The photo could be of a 15 year old, I can't really be sure.
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Read the post again I said evidence... What evidence do you have to suggest this is Maddie. It looks like the answer is none.
Blond, English looking, of about the right age group with similar facial features.
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That's, called a celestial teapot argument and is a, sign that someone has, no evidence to support their case. It's regarded as, an argument used by someone who has, lost the, argument.
I can say it can't be Maddie because Maddie, is, dead... Can you prove otherwise
Well let's agree she is either dead or alive. One or the other.
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Blond, English looking, of about the right age group with similar facial features.
What a detective you are... Thst description could fit millions. That's all you have and it's basically pathetic
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What a detective you are... Thst description could fit millions. That's all you have and it's basically pathetic
Not bad for a couple of days work.
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Read the post again I said evidence... What evidence do you have to suggest this is Maddie. It looks like the answer is none.
This is "put it on the back burner" stuff imo. But like you, Dave, and despite the many similarities, I am almost sure that this is not Madeleine. The height of the upper lip (cupids bow to underside of nostrils) confirms this. Also Madeleines eyes are more widely spaced. I can understand many people thinking that it is Madeleine though Rob.
I am inclined to think that Madeleines beauty will have a characterful look about it. She has had a very lively personality with varied facial expressions.
I cannot agree with you that Madeleine is dead. No proof of that whatsoever.
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This is "put it on the back burner" stuff imo. But like you, Dave, and despite the many similarities, I am almost sure that this is not Madeleine. The height of the upper lip (cupids bow to underside of nostrils) confirms this. Also Madeleines eyes are more widely spaced. I can understand many people thinking that it is Madeleine though Rob.
I am inclined to think that Madeleines beauty will have a characterful look about it. She has had a very lively personality with varied facial expressions.
I cannot agree with you that Madeleine is dead. No proof of that whatsoever.
There's evidence Maddie is dead... No one mentioned proof.
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This is "put it on the back burner" stuff imo. But like you, Dave, and despite the many similarities, I am almost sure that this is not Madeleine. The height of the upper lip (cupids bow to underside of nostrils) confirms this. Also Madeleines eyes are more widely spaced. I can understand many people thinking that it is Madeleine though Rob.
I am inclined to think that Madeleines beauty will have a characterful look about it. She has had a very lively personality with varied facial expressions.
I cannot agree with you that Madeleine is dead. No proof of that whatsoever.
I think this is put in the burner stuff. Rob is no detective because he does not investigate he simply believes what pleases him.
He should have done some research into his informant and he would have found out he is a complete crackpot.
Fischer believes the abduction was staged to cover up an investigation into the abduction of a vip uk diplomat. He believes the blood in the apartment vame from a fight between Gerry and the abductor. He believes the Russians killed Lady Di and it's all connected. He can't reveal anymore as it could start WW3.
If that's the sort of crackpot Rob believes you are welcome to support him
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I think this is put in the burner stuff. Rob is no detective because he does not investigate he simply believes what pleades him.
He should have done some research into his informant and he would have found out he is a complete crackpot.
Fischer believes the abduction was staged to covrt up an investigation into a vip uk diplomat. He believes the blood in the apartment vame from a fight between Gerry and the abfuctor. He believes the Ruddians killed Lady Di and it's all connected. He can't reveal anymore as it could start WW3.
If that's the sort of crackpot Rob believes you are welcome to support him
I support you both, Davel, we are on the same side. But I flinch from you aggressive attitude towards Rob and also, at times, towards me.
It isn't necessary and it shouldn't happen IMO.
I truly worry about you and the accusations you make against Brueckner. You can't KNOW if HCW is correct about CB killing Madeleine. Furthermore you must be upsetting The Mccanns who are holding onto the faith that Madeleine is still alive. Maybe they have seen my video?
Tbqh, your faith in HCW reminds me of the blind faith that the so called Skeptics have towards Amaral
We can still argue about points, but we are on the same side, Rob too. Let's work together, shall we?
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I support you both, Davel, we are on the same side. But I flinch from you aggressive attitude towards Rob and also, at times, towards me.
It isn't necessary and it shouldn't happen IMO.
I truly worry about you and the accusations you make against Brueckner. You can't KNOW if HCW is correct about CB killing Madeleine. Furthermore you must be upsetting The Mccanns who are holding onto the faith that Madeleine is still alive. Maybe they have seen my video?
Tbqh, your faith in HCW reminds me of the blind faith that the so called Skeptics have towards Amaral
We can still argue about points, but we are on the same side, Rob too. Let's work together, shall we?
Yes Davel...group hug (((()))))
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There's evidence Maddie is dead... No one mentioned proof.
Have you seen that evidence?
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Yes Davel...group hug (((()))))
She sneered, sneerily.
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I support you both, Davel, we are on the same side. But I flinch from you aggressive attitude towards Rob and also, at times, towards me.
It isn't necessary and it shouldn't happen IMO.
I truly worry about you and the accusations you make against Brueckner. You can't KNOW if HCW is correct about CB killing Madeleine. Furthermore you must be upsetting The Mccanns who are holding onto the faith that Madeleine is still alive. Maybe they have seen my video?
Tbqh, your faith in HCW reminds me of the blind faith that the so called Skeptics have towards Amaral
We can still argue about points, but we are on the same side, Rob too. Let's work together, shall we?
I find your post misguided and offensive. You have several times referred to my supposed blind faith in Wolters. You could not be further from the truth and the fact you cannot see that is bizarre to me.
I've outliined several times why I think Wolters does have this evidence and it's got nothing to do with blind faith. I also think you are wrong about the McCanns who I'm sure, realise Maddie is probably dead... Its the only sensible option... Not definite but by far the most likely.
As regards blind faith I see that in rob and yourself who are prepared to take seriously the rubbish rob is posting. I think it's ridiculous you have more faith in robs latest thread yet dismiss Wolters.
I'm not working with anyone to solve the case... We simply dont have enough information.
Rather than criticise me you might want to look at how insulting rob has been to me over the past two years... Then you accuse me of being suckered for some reasons.
You and rob have blind faith in sceptics yet there is no record of them solving... Or helping to solve any case ever
I'm going to stick with the evidence and at the moment that points to murder...
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Have you seen that evidence?
I don't need to see it... It comes from a reliable source unlike the sort of stuff you post
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I support you both, Davel, we are on the same side. But I flinch from you aggressive attitude towards Rob and also, at times, towards me.
It isn't necessary and it shouldn't happen IMO.
I truly worry about you and the accusations you make against Brueckner. You can't KNOW if HCW is correct about CB killing Madeleine. Furthermore you must be upsetting The Mccanns who are holding onto the faith that Madeleine is still alive. Maybe they have seen my video?
Tbqh, your faith in HCW reminds me of the blind faith that the so called Skeptics have towards Amaral
We can still argue about points, but we are on the same side, Rob too. Let's work together, shall we?
Best post I've ever read from Sadie. So matter-of-fact.
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Best post I've ever read from Sadie. So matter-of-fact.
Thanks Angelo... Hopefully Sadie will now realise how divisive she is being
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This is "put it on the back burner" stuff imo. But like you, Dave, and despite the many similarities, I am almost sure that this is not Madeleine. The height of the upper lip (cupids bow to underside of nostrils) confirms this. Also Madeleines eyes are more widely spaced. I can understand many people thinking that it is Madeleine though Rob.
I am inclined to think that Madeleines beauty will have a characterful look about it. She has had a very lively personality with varied facial expressions.
I cannot agree with you that Madeleine is dead. No proof of that whatsoever.
I'm not saying Madeleine is dead... I'm saying she is most probably dead
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I'm not saying Madeleine is dead... I'm saying she is most probably dead
The chances of wining Lotto are virtually zero too, but someone wins now and then. If a winner turns up they aren't just dismissed by someone saying "you most probably didn't win".
OK in this thread the most unlikely girl has been nominated as possibly being Madeleine. About as unlikely as winning the Lotto even in my books.
But since she is nameless, of no known abode, the right age, size and colour we can't quite say "no" as it is possible to change eye colour and hide a coloboma defect behind contact lenses.
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The chances of wing Lotto are virtually zero too, but someone wins now and then. If a winner turns up they aren't just dismissed by someone saying "you most probably didn't win".
OK in this thread the most unlikely girl has been nominated as possibly being Madeleine. About as unlikely as winning the Lotto even in my books.
But since she is nameless, of no known abode, the right age, size and colour we can't quite say "no" as it is possible to change eye colour and hide a coloboma defect behind contact lenses.
Unless there is some other reason for thinking this is Madeleine its not worthy of discussion is it, or should we look at every anonymous picture of a teenage white girl on the internet and compare her features to Madeleine?
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Unless there is some other reason for thinking this is Madeleine its not worthy of discussion is it, or should we look at every anonymous picture of a teenage white girl on the internet and compare her features to Madeleine?
When did you stop looking for Madeleine McCann?
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The chances of wing Lotto are virtually zero too, but someone wins now and then. If a winner turns up they aren't just dismissed by someone saying "you most probably didn't win".
OK in this thread the most unlikely girl has been nominated as possibly being Madeleine. About as unlikely as winning the Lotto even in my books.
But since she is nameless, of no known abode, the right age, size and colour we can't quite say "no" as it is possible to change eye colour and hide a coloboma defect behind contact lenses.
so where do you go from here ...youve identified a girl who is most unlikely to be MM....do you send the details to SY now
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When did you stop looking for Madeleine McCann?
Most of us never started...we had more sense
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When did you stop looking for Madeleine McCann?
Long before you even started.
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so where do you go from here ...youve identified a girl who is most unlikely to be MM....do you send the details to SY now
That is a possibility as it would only be a 5-minute job for SY to work out who she is.
Long before you even started.
We get News in NZ. I've been interested in the McCann case from the beginning.
Most of us never started...we had more sense
Do you even bother to check your Lotto tickets?
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so where do you go from here ...youve identified a girl who is most unlikely to be MM....do you send the details to SY now
I'm certainly going to communicate with BF and see if he can become more certain of his facts. I think even he has doubts about the information he received.
I'll PM him and tell him to read this thread.
Done.
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I'm certainly going to communicate with BF and see if he can become more certain of his facts. I think even he has doubts about the information he received.
have you read his FB posts...have you read his theories...hes a total fantasist yet you have faith in him
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have you read his FB posts...have you read his theories...hes a total fantasist yet you have faith in him
It is only you who claims I have faith in him.
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It is only you who claims I have faith in him.
Then why are you even considering this photo
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I find your post misguided and offensive. You have several times referred to my supposed blind faith in Wolters. You could not be further from the truth and the fact you cannot see that is bizarre to me.
I've outliined several times why I think Wolters does have this evidence and it's got nothing to do with blind faith.
I also think you are wrong about the McCanns who I'm sure, realise Maddie is probably dead... Its the only sensible option... Not definite but by far the most likely.
Dear Davel.
Please calm down. I am sorry that you find anything I have said offensive and if it indeed was, then I apologise.
I have heard you say your bit, the same stuff repeatedly, probably well over a hundred times. As I think HCW has got it wrong, surely I am allowed to express my thoughts very very occasionally. I have been very restrained in holding back, as I have, out of respect for you.
I am basing my thoughts on the fact that I believe that I have seen a living Madeleine, aged about 8(ish) on video. And I think that OG have taken up much of my hypotheses. I also notice that SY will NOT talk about Madeleine being dead; they refer to her as a missing child IIRC . Additionally Kate and Gerry do not appear to believe that Madeleine is likely dead. Maybe they have seen the video and like me think it is Madeleine? Surely I am allowed to say these things.
As regards blind faith I see that in rob and yourself who are prepared to take seriously the rubbish rob is posting. I think it's ridiculous you have more faith in robs latest thread yet dismiss Wolters.
Many of the threads that Rob has initiated have been very enlightening and the one especially has produced very strong pointers, some of which I have informed SY of. I think that he has got it wrong about the latest young lady being Madeleine, in fact since she has been identified, we know he has. But Rob is trying really hard to crack this case and IMO it is wrong to discourage him. There are a number of things that he has highlighted thanks to the groups (both sides) willingness to join in contributing. He is to be congratulated; research is really hard and often tedious work.
You too, Dave, are to be congratulated about all your hard word and impressive information that you have added to the forum. I just wish that the two of you could stop (sometimes deliberately) aggravating each other. It is such a turn off to the rest of us … and you are equally to blame IMO
I'm not working with anyone to solve the case... We simply dont have enough information.
Rather than criticise me you might want to look at how insulting rob has been to me over the past two years... Then you accuse me of being suckered for some reasons.
You and rob have blind faith in sceptics yet there is no record of them solving... Or helping to solve any case ever
First of all, let's make it clear … I DO NOT Have faith in any sceptics, although I read what they have to say. Way back at the beginning of June, right at the beginning, I publicly stated that I thought that CB was being made a scapegoat, but not by the Mccanns..
- They, the sceptics, said by The Mccanns (such nonsense !)
- I said by the masterminds of Madeleines (and other childrens) abduction. I said that IMO, they were scapegoating CB in order that the world would think her dead.
- With her supposedly dead, and legally pronounced as such, the searching for her would cease.
- They, the masterminds of this massive organisation could then relax safe in the knowledge that NO Police Forces would be looking for (a very much alive) Madeleine
- They would be safe and holding Madeleine without fear, from then onwards.
I repeat that I DO NOT have any faith in what sceptics have to say about the case. But I do think for myself, in great depth, to form opinions based upon my considerable research. These do not always follow the current swell of opinion of our Supporter side
I'm going to stick with the evidence and at the moment that points to murder...
So be it, but please take care.
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Then why are you even considering this photo
Because I can't rule it out.
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Have deleted this post because the post it refers to has been deleted.
This post no longer makes sense as it was based upon the deleted post.
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Dear Davel.
Please calm down. I am sorry that you find anything I have said offensive and if it indeed was, then I apologise.
I have heard you say your bit, the same stuff repeatedly, probably well over a hundred times. As I think HCW has got it wrong, surely I am allowed to express my thoughts very very occasionally. I have been very restrained in holding back, as I have, out of respect for you.
I am basing my thoughts on the fact that I believe that I have seen a living Madeleine, aged about 8(ish) on video. And I think that OG have taken up much of my hypotheses. I also notice that SY will NOT talk about Madeleine being dead; they refer to her as a missing child IIRC . Additionally Kate and Gerry do not appear to believe that Madeleine is likely dead. Maybe they have seen the video and like me think it is Madeleine? Surely I am allowed to say these things.
Many of the threads that Rob has initiated have been very enlightening and the one especially has produced very strong pointers, some of which I have informed SY of. I think that he has got it wrong about the latest young lady being Madeleine, in fact since she has been identified, we know he has. But Rob is trying really hard to crack this case and IMO it is wrong to discourage him. There are a number of things that he has highlighted thanks to the groups (both sides) willingness to join in contributing. He is to be congratulated; research is really hard and often tedious work.
You too, Dave, are to be congratulated about all your hard word and impressive information that you have added to the forum. I just wish that the two of you could stop (sometimes deliberately) aggravating each other. It is such a turn off to the rest of us … and you are equally to blame IMO
First of all, let's make it clear … I DO NOT Have faith in any sceptics, although I read what they have to say. Way back at the beginning of June, right at the beginning, I publicly stated that I thought that CB was being made a scapegoat, but not by the Mccanns..
- They, the sceptics, said by The Mccanns (such nonsense !)
- I said by the masterminds of Madeleines (and other childrens) abduction. I said that IMO, they were scapegoating CB in order that the world would think her dead.
- With her supposedly dead, and legally pronounced as such, the searching for her would cease.
- They, the masterminds of this massive organisation could then relax safe in the knowledge that NO Police Forces would be looking for (a very much alive) Madeleine
- They would be safe and holding Madeleine without fear, from then onwards.
I repeat that I DO NOT have any faith in what sceptics have to say about the case. But I do think for myself, in great depth, to form opinions based upon my considerable research. These do not always follow the current swell of opinion of our Supporter side
So be it, but please take care.
You are welcome to express your thought but when those thoughts accuse me of blindly believing HCW i find that offensive. Comparing me to thos ewho blindly beleive amaral is also offensive. What I see is rob blindly believing anyone contacting his FB page and you blindly supporting him. ive never heard so much rubbish as has been posted on Robs last 3 or 4 threads.
Have you listened to what Simon Foy of SY has said about Wolters claims. have you listened to any of Wolters live broadcasts.
Ive listened to your theories for years and said nothing even though I find the idea of maddie being kidnapped to breed totally ridiculous.
As ive said...beleive what you wish ...but dont accuse me of blindly beleiving anything...and please dont accuse me of being closed minded. Both those terms are offensive and imo plain daft.
Like Simon Foy of SY ...and for similar reasons to Simon Foy...I think Wolters has something of significance.
At least Angelo was very impressed with your critcism of me...Faith basically sniggering.
Having said all that I shall continue to follow the real evidence which is that Maddie is almost certainly dead
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This is totally unfair, Davel. Made up in your mind. I don't even know who the bloke, * Bernhard Fischer *, is.
Please amend your comment
Bernard Fischer is the person who sent rob the photo...the one you suggested rob should send to SY. You actually said that it was my idea to send it to SY...which of course it wasnt
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Because I can't rule it out.
thats because you are a poor detective...there are millions and millions of photos of girls on the net that cant be ruled out....its being ruled in thats important
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Many of the threads that Rob has initiated have been very enlightening and the one especially has produced very strong pointers, some of which I have informed SY of. I think that he has got it wrong about the latest young lady being Madeleine, in fact since she has been identified, we know he has. But Rob is trying really hard to crack this case and IMO it is wrong to discourage him. There are a number of things that he has highlighted thanks to the groups (both sides) willingness to join in contributing. He is to be congratulated; research is really hard and often tedious work.
I dont think rob has produced anything of interest in his recent threads and I think you are wasting SYs time
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Bernard Fischer is the person who sent rob the photo...the one you suggested rob should send to SY. You actually said that it was my idea to send it to SY...which of course it wasnt
Bernard Fischer is the person who posted the girl's photo on a FB group discussing Madeleine McCann. Let's not debate who had the idea of sending it to SY or OG, as it was called.
I dont think rob has produced anything of interest in his recent threads and I think you are wasting SYs time
This was a very interesting thread. We actually learnt something from it.
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Bernard Fischer is the person who posted the girl's photo on a FB group discussing Madeleine McCann. Let's not debate who had the idea of sending it to SY or OG, as it was called.
This was a very interesting thread. We actually learnt something from it.
theres no debate...sadie posted that I suggested it...I didnt.
you may have learnt something.. like Wolters has named CB.....I havent
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that may be her name
https://br.pinterest.com/hale8926/
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theres no debate...sadie posted that I suggested it...I didnt.
you may have learned something.. like Wolters has named CB.....I havent
What about how those endorsements are faked, using photos procured from photo sharing agencies?
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What about how those endorsements are faked, using photos procured from photo sharing agencies?
I already knew that
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I already knew that
But did you have actual evidence of it?
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But did you have actual evidence of it?
evidence of what...poeple using stock images in adverts...it happens all the time
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I'm getting reports that a Madeleine look-alike is alive. A person on my FB group is saying some interesting stuff that makes it sound like he has identified a girl in his area whom I think he's saying she is Madeleine McCann.
I'm getting scared, as what will happen now? How should I handle this situation?
Just ignore it Rob. We've had many such claims here over the years and all false.
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Just ignore it Rob. We've had many such claims here over the years and all false.
I think one day we will strike the jackpot.
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A public apology to Davel:
Rob, you are doing the right thing taking notice of this.
It is probably a scam, but we don't know. Keep all the copies of the posts and personally I would be inclined to say no more about it publicly on forum, just in case
Davel is right, send everything to OG.
Better to be wrong, than miss a possible opportunity to find Madeleine.
This was a very early response, before I had analysed the photo of the beautiful young lady and Davel had said in an earlier post (now wiped, it seems, but was there 20 minutes ago) something like "Rob, have you sent this to SY ? If you haven't, don't"
One of the main reasons why I tend to post during the night is that I have high demands on me when I am on the computer in the day - lot's of interruptions. I was probably interrupted at the time I was reading that and misread it.
My apologies. I will change my post as above, to put it right.
Perhaps you would amend your posts where you have called me a liar (at least twice) Thank you.
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A public apology to Davel:
This was a very early response, before I had analysed the photo of the beautiful young lady and Davel had said in an earlier post (now wiped, it seems, but was there 20 minutes ago) something like "Rob, have you sent this to SY ? If you haven't, don't"
One of the main reasons why I tend to post during the night is that I have high demands on me when I am on the computer in the day - lot's of interruptions. I was probably interrupted at the time I was reading that and misread it.
My apologies. I will change my post as above, to put it right.
Perhaps you would amend your posts where you have called me a liar (at least twice) Thank you.
I have not sent any part of this research to SY as yet. When I review the thread I will delete those posts if Davel doesn't.
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theres no debate...sadie posted that I suggested it...I didnt.
you may have learnt something.. like Wolters has named CB.....I havent
That too. So he is human after all.
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Dear Davel.
Please calm down. I am sorry that you find anything I have said offensive and if it indeed was, then I apologise.
I have heard you say your bit, the same stuff repeatedly, probably well over a hundred times. As I think HCW has got it wrong, surely I am allowed to express my thoughts very very occasionally. I have been very restrained in holding back, as I have, out of respect for you.
I am basing my thoughts on the fact that I believe that I have seen a living Madeleine, aged about 8(ish) on video. And I think that OG have taken up much of my hypotheses. I also notice that SY will NOT talk about Madeleine being dead; they refer to her as a missing child IIRC . Additionally Kate and Gerry do not appear to believe that Madeleine is likely dead. Maybe they have seen the video and like me think it is Madeleine? Surely I am allowed to say these things.
Many of the threads that Rob has initiated have been very enlightening and the one especially has produced very strong pointers, some of which I have informed SY of. I think that he has got it wrong about the latest young lady being Madeleine, in fact since she has been identified, we know he has. But Rob is trying really hard to crack this case and IMO it is wrong to discourage him. There are a number of things that he has highlighted thanks to the groups (both sides) willingness to join in contributing. He is to be congratulated; research is really hard and often tedious work.
You too, Dave, are to be congratulated about all your hard word and impressive information that you have added to the forum. I just wish that the two of you could stop (sometimes deliberately) aggravating each other. It is such a turn off to the rest of us … and you are equally to blame IMO
First of all, let's make it clear … I DO NOT Have faith in any sceptics, although I read what they have to say. Way back at the beginning of June, right at the beginning, I publicly stated that I thought that CB was being made a scapegoat, but not by the Mccanns..
- They, the sceptics, said by The Mccanns (such nonsense !)
- I said by the masterminds of Madeleines (and other childrens) abduction. I said that IMO, they were scapegoating CB in order that the world would think her dead.
- With her supposedly dead, and legally pronounced as such, the searching for her would cease.
- They, the masterminds of this massive organisation could then relax safe in the knowledge that NO Police Forces would be looking for (a very much alive) Madeleine
- They would be safe and holding Madeleine without fear, from then onwards.
I repeat that I DO NOT have any faith in what sceptics have to say about the case. But I do think for myself, in great depth, to form opinions based upon my considerable research. These do not always follow the current swell of opinion of our Supporter side
So be it, but please take care.
You were replying to a post by Davel in which he uses the word "skeptic" when in fact I think he meant to use the word "Psychic". Am I right Davel?
Davel posted "You and rob have blind faith in sceptics yet there is no record of them solving... Or helping to solve any case ever"
Davel uses the word "sceptic" when in fact I think he meant to use the word "Psychic"
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That's, called a celestial teapot argument and is a, sign that someone has, no evidence to support their case. It's regarded as, an argument used by someone who has, lost the, argument.
I can say it can't be Maddie because Maddie, is, dead... Can you prove otherwise
Aren't you invoking the celestial teapot argument? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsC5QfKuDGs
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How can it be proved otherwise?
I think proving something otherwise could be as easy as getting someone to identify who that girl really is.
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Do you even know what you are talking about?
Davel - You never answered that question?
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No not too old....too not-Madeleine.
I really don’t think you’re as daft as you are making out Rob...but apologies if I’m wrong.
I'll keep you guessing!
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Do you even know what you are talking about?
Of course I do but judging by the comments on this and your previous thread... Everyone apart from Sadie thinks that you dont
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A public apology to Davel:
This was a very early response, before I had analysed the photo of the beautiful young lady and Davel had said in an earlier post (now wiped, it seems, but was there 20 minutes ago) something like "Rob, have you sent this to SY ? If you haven't, don't"
One of the main reasons why I tend to post during the night is that I have high demands on me when I am on the computer in the day - lot's of interruptions. I was probably interrupted at the time I was reading that and misread it.
My apologies. I will change my post as above, to put it right.
Perhaps you would amend your posts where you have called me a liar (at least twice) Thank you.
I haven't called you a liar at all... But you have referred to me as closed minded and having blind faith in Wolters... Both of which are untrue
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Rob.. One of the most important points about assessing evidence is looking at the reliability of its source. Its something you repeatedly fail to do.
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Of course I do but judging by the comments on this and your previous thread... Everyone apart from Sadie thinks that you dont
That's not true.
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Rob.. One of the most important points about assessing evidence is looking at the reliability of its source. Its something you repeatedly fail to do.
You ought to tell HCW that too. Where is he getting his evidence from?
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Lucy Hale ????? Only about 100 of them.
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You ought to tell HCW that too. Where is he getting his evidence from?
I don't have to tell HCw anything... He would already understand
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What has this got to do with the case
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What has this got to do with the case
It has a tangential link. Let's go with it, see what falls out of the sausage machine.
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What has this got to do with the case
I would say it has about as much as your post about Lucy Hale.
https://www.facebook.com/olivia.telford.336 I think the photo originates here Olivia Telford. So it definitely isn't Madeleine if that is the case.
But I could still be wrong.
[The 4 stock photos appear to have been download in 2017 so Madeleine would have only been 14 then. Could that just be a 14 year old? I'm not a good judge of that. "Olivia Telford added 11 new photos.
15 the Feb 2017"
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I would say it has about as much as your post about Lucy Hale.
https://www.facebook.com/olivia.telford.336 I think the photo originates here Olivia Telford. But I could be wrong. So it definitely isn't Madeleine if that is the case.
Lucy hale was posted on the useless thread you started..
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I would say it has about as much as your post about Lucy Hale.
https://www.facebook.com/olivia.telford.336 I think the photo originates here Olivia Telford. So it definitely isn't Madeleine if that is the case.
But I could still be wrong.
For such a beautiful and talented young woman she sure doesn't have many friends or much interest in any of her posts - I smell a rat.
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For such a beautiful and talented young woman she sure doesn't have many friends or much interest in any of her posts - I smell a rat.
Rob's like North Sea cod - phished out of existence.
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Rob... How much more are you going to perpetuate this nonsense? IT'S A STOCK PHOTO... and nothing to do with Madeleine McCann!!!
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Of course I do but judging by the comments on this and your previous thread... Everyone apart from Sadie thinks that you dont
You are misrepresenting me again, Dave. In my later posts, (the majority), after more analysis , I repeatedly say that I am sure that the very pretty woman is not Madeleine, although I can understand why people might think she is.
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How nice it would have been had you graciously accepted by apology, graciously given, but no, you still want to have a dig at me. I have been one of your staunchest supporters and still will be, because you are a fighter and so much that you say is sterling. But I do find it worrying about your utter and complete faith in a man who you don't know. Furthermore, you don't know the people that have fed him the info. What if they have fed him sloppily researched / inaccurate or false info? We just don't know.
And you are ignoring the messages which seem to be coming from SY and the Mccanns. They are looking for a missing Madeleine; they do not tie it down to a murdered Madeleine, so it seems that they are at odds with HCW on Madeleine definitely being murdered.
That's all. High Five !
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I haven't called you a liar at all... But you have referred to me as closed minded and having blind faith in Wolters... Both of which are untrue
The evidence has gone now, the Mods, Admin or John must have removed it. For that I say thankyou.
You twice called me a liar, Davel, and you know it. Others on here will have witnessed it. In fact one of your staunchest supporters reacted to the one accusation with a positive statement about me. For that I was very grateful
So you think that you are Open minded and do not have blind faith in HCW ?
Please do not make any more unnecessary Ad Hom accusations about me. Attack my post if you find it necessary. We are on the same side and we must try and work as a team.
Let's not disrupt the forum any more. Keep up the good work.
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The evidence has gone now, the Mods, Admin or John must have removed it. For that I say thankyou.
You twice called me a liar, Davel, and you know it. Others on here will have witnessed it. In fact one of your staunchest supporters reacted to the one accusation with a positive statement about me. For that I was very grateful
So you think that you are Open minded and do not have blind faith in HCW ?
Please do not make any more unnecessary Ad Hom accusations about me. Attack my post if you find it necessary. We are on the same side and we must try and work as a team.
Let's not disrupt the forum any more. Keep up the good work.
I never called you a liar...that is totally untrue and a false accusation. You need to ask who removed these so called posts...afaiac...they never existed. You have made a totally false insulting claim against me.
I am open minded and do not have blind faith in HCW...another sniping post from you but in reality I think you just dont understand how insulting you are continuing to be.
You dont seem to realise all the ad homs are coming from you
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The evidence has gone now, the Mods, Admin or John must have removed it. For that I say thankyou.
You twice called me a liar, Davel, and you know it. Others on here will have witnessed it. In fact one of your staunchest supporters reacted to the one accusation with a positive statement about me. For that I was very grateful
So you think that you are Open minded and do not have blind faith in HCW ?
Please do not make any more unnecessary Ad Hom accusations about me. Attack my post if you find it necessary. We are on the same side and we must try and work as a team.
Let's not disrupt the forum any more. Keep up the good work.
that probably refers to angelo is the opposite of ...one of my staunchest supporters
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You are misrepresenting me again, Dave. In my later posts, (the majority), after more analysis , I repeatedly say that I am sure that the very pretty woman is not Madeleine, although I can understand why people might think she is.
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How nice it would have been had you graciously accepted by apology, graciously given, but no, you still want to have a dig at me. I have been one of your staunchest supporters and still will be, because you are a fighter and so much that you say is sterling. But I do find it worrying about your utter and complete faith in a man who you don't know. Furthermore, you don't know the people that have fed him the info. What if they have fed him sloppily researched / inaccurate or false info? We just don't know.
And you are ignoring the messages which seem to be coming from SY and the Mccanns. They are looking for a missing Madeleine; they do not tie it down to a murdered Madeleine, so it seems that they are at odds with HCW on Madeleine definitely being murdered.
That's all. High Five !
perhaps I simply understand the evidence.
i dont have blind faith in HCW.....thats about the fifth time youve made that false claim...please stop
i am not ignoring anything fron SY...it all fits perfectly but you just dont sem to be able to see it.
For the tenth time ...Im sure SY and the McCanns understand its most likely Maddie is dead.
for the tenth time....the germans have not shared all their evidence with SY re the murder.
Have you kept up to date with what Wolters has been saying
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that probably refers to angelo is the opposite of ...one of my staunchest supporters
No it doesn't. It was one of your staunchest supporters. Anyway, I have had enough of this silly ongoing argument.
I remain your supporter, because you are a fighter, your knowledge is amazing and almost all of your posts are sterling. And I admire you for all those things.
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The evidence has gone now, the Mods, Admin or John must have removed it. For that I say thankyou.
You twice called me a liar, Davel, and you know it. Others on here will have witnessed it. In fact one of your staunchest supporters reacted to the one accusation with a positive statement about me. For that I was very grateful
So you think that you are Open minded and do not have blind faith in HCW ?
Please do not make any more unnecessary Ad Hom accusations about me. Attack my post if you find it necessary. We are on the same side and we must try and work as a team.
Let's not disrupt the forum any more. Keep up the good work.
Hope you don't mind me asking Sadie - but why do you have to worl as a team.
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Hope you don't mind me asking Sadie - but why do you have to worl as a team.
Interesting isn't it? I'm just enjoying the deafening silence from those who normally leap to the defence of both these posters when a non 'team member' argues with them. Which side to take? Maybe just hiding is best. 8()-000(
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Interesting isn't it? I'm just enjoying the deafening silence from those who normally leap to the defence of both these posters when a non 'team member' argues with them. Which side to take? Maybe just hiding is best. 8()-000(
What team are you imagining... I think it's clear there isn't one. There does seem to be a disagreement re HCW that's causing some disagreement. I certainly don't feel bound by any team
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Interesting isn't it? I'm just enjoying the deafening silence from those who normally leap to the defence of both these posters when a non 'team member' argues with them. Which side to take? Maybe just hiding is best. 8()-000(
Goading, much?
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What team are you imagining... I think it's clear there isn't one. There does seem to be a disagreement re HCW that's causing some disagreement. I certainly don't feel bound by any team
Good for you! I wouldn't want to belong to a team that has to keep quiet about some of the wilder ideas that have been aired either.
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Good for you! I wouldn't want to belong to a team that has to keep quiet about some of the wilder ideas that have been aired either.
I think the wild ideas came from sceptics who think some of us are part of a paid team connected to the McCanns
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I think the wild ideas came from sceptics who think some of us are part of a paid team connected to the McCanns
Ah, that old chestnut. We haven't had that one for quite a while. I could have earned a fortune if it were true.
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I think the wild ideas came from sceptics who think some of us are part of a paid team connected to the McCanns
In fairness there's a few here who would fit the McCann's private investigator recruitment model imo.
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Ah, that old chestnut. We haven't had that one for quite a while. I could have earned a fortune if it were true.
Of course it’s not true....the fund would never be able to afford the wages for the hours some of you put in.
There is, however, connections....that much is transparently clear. It does make you wonder why those posters aren’t honest about it. Where’s the shame?
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In fairness there's a few here who would fit the McCann's private investigator recruitment model imo.
But then you have been wrong that many times I've lost count.
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But then you have been wrong that many times I've lost count.
4 comes after 3. Thank me later.
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Of course it’s not true....the fund would never be able to afford the wages for the hours some of you put in.
There is, however, connections....that much is transparently clear. It does make you wonder why those posters aren’t honest about it. Where’s the shame?
LOL I love the smell of paranoia in the afternoon.
(that's another 10p in the kitty)
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Of course it’s not true....the fund would never be able to afford the wages for the hours some of you put in.
There is, however, connections....that much is transparently clear. It does make you wonder why those posters aren’t honest about it. Where’s the shame?
What connections?
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What connections?
Faithlilly thinks I am the person who runs the Madeleine FB page, or a McCann family friend. Perhaps you could put her straight on both counts? Much obliged.
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I’m not opposed to a spot of plagiarism.
LOL
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I’m not opposed to a spot of plagiarism.
LOL
You blew it with the bold but nice try.
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I’m not opposed to a spot of plagiarism.
LOL
Please explain. Cite required.
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Faithlilly thinks I am the person who runs the Madeleine FB page, or a McCann family friend. Perhaps you could put her straight on both counts? Much obliged.
I don't know what Connections Faith means.
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I don't know what Connections Faith means.
Well perhaps she will spell it out for us all.
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I don't know what Connections Faith means.
I dont think faith does either
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I’m not opposed to a spot of plagiarism.
LOL
Please explain. Cite required. Second request.
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If Madeleine was alive, in what sort of circumstances would she be living?
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Hope you don't mind me asking Sadie - but why do you have to worl as a team.
That is the problem kizzy, as I see it. Apart from a few people, we don't work as well as a team as maybe we could, imo.
Certainly in the past, your side has shown impressively that it works as a team, but then, in the early days quite a number used to go to somewhere near East Midlands airport to go over tactics. So you got to know each other well.
We are a shy lot in that way.
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That is the problem kizzy, as I see it. Apart from a few people, we don't work as well as a team as maybe we could, imo.
Certainly in the past, your side has shown impressively that it works as a team, but then, in the early days quite a number used to go to somewhere near East Midlands airport to go over tactics. So you got to know each other well.
We are a shy lot in that way.
Im sorry to disagree but I dont think there should be any necessity to work as a team..and I certainly havent.what does that mean.
Does that mean we should only post within certain limits...or all toe the line. We should post what we believe to be true
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If Madeleine was alive, in what sort of circumstances would she be living?
Everything below is pure speculation, based upon the likely lifestyle of my suspect.
I think that she will be living a rather nice lifestyle, but she will miss the fun of her home at Rothley with her fun filled Daddy and much loved Mummy. She will sorely miss the twins too.
However, I fear that she will be restricted in many ways and moved on fairly frequently, leaving friends behind. That is not nice. I also wonder if she has unhappily been been subjected to mind alteration, possibly by shamans in the Drakensberg mountains of Lesotho, where I believe she has visited the other "Fatima"
She will probably mainly travel by luxury yacht and slip into countries within the Schengen agreement quite easily. She will probably also visit other countries, by docking in small harbours. Money is no object, so she will probably also travel by private plane.
All the above is pure speculation, based upon the likely lifestyle of my suspect.
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Im sorry to disagree but I dont think there should be any necessity to work as a team..and I certainly havent.what does that mean.
Does that mean we should only post within certain limits...or all toe the line. We should post what we believe to be true
That is fine, but VS is a very fine team player. S/he assists you no end. I hope you appreciate her, we all do.
And No, it most certainly doesn't mean that we all toe the line. You are absolutely correct in that we should post what we believe to be correct. Glad we agree on that.
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That is fine, but VS is a very fine team player. S/he assists you no end. I hope you appreciate her, we all do.
And No, it most certainly doesn't mean that we all toe the line. You are absolutely correct in that we should post what we believe to be correct. Glad we agree on that.
Im sorry I dont see it as a team player at all. I see it as VS sticking up for whats right...we have simialr views. i also often support VS. What you are suggesting is actios taht benefit the team ...not the truth.
Again you question whether I appreciate VS.....you do need to stop trying to be some sort of arbiter of how we should all behave and beleive.
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I think the wild ideas came from sceptics who think some of us are part of a paid team connected to the McCanns
Wasn't there at one point a support group helping family members to monitor internet activity about the case? Motivated by love, rather than money I would guess though.
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There’s no I in team Davel.
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That is fine, but VS is a very fine team player. S/he assists you no end. I hope you appreciate her, we all do.
And No, it most certainly doesn't mean that we all toe the line. You are absolutely correct in that we should post what we believe to be correct. Glad we agree on that.
Sadie, I’m not hear to assist anyone, I just happen to agree with Davel on most (though not all) things. But thanks for your kind words. I absolutely think you mean well but you will have to accept that some us do find your theories more than a little bizarre. I always go for the Occams Razor approach. The simplest solution is usually the correct one, and in this case the simplest solution is that very sadly Madeleine was taken from the apartment and probably killed and disposed of shortly thereafter.
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Wasn't there at one point a support group helping family members to monitor internet activity about the case? Motivated by love, rather than money I would guess though.
I think that wa s a sceptic myth...no one contacted me
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There’s no I in team Davel.
theres no me in any team either...whatever barmy thoughts you may have
I actually get on well with the General
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Wasn't there at one point a support group helping family members to monitor internet activity about the case? Motivated by love, rather than money I would guess though.
No, we were all paid handsomely. You don’t seriously believe any of us love those child neglectors do you?
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Wasn't there at one point a support group helping family members to monitor internet activity about the case? Motivated by love, rather than money I would guess though.
Yes, wasn’t it called HFM or something like that?
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There is a team opposing the McCanns ...its quite apparrent on CMOMM.
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That is the problem kizzy, as I see it. Apart from a few people, we don't work as well as a team as maybe we could, imo.
Certainly in the past, your side has shown impressively that it works as a team, but then, in the early days quite a number used to go to somewhere near East Midlands airport to go over tactics. So you got to know each other well.
We are a shy lot in that way.
You've been out and about though Sadie. Didn't some of you attend a trial of Tony Bennett, and I'm sure you visited a member who lives in France?
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Wasn't there at one point a support group helping family members to monitor internet activity about the case? Motivated by love, rather than money I would guess though.
Aye, run by Monitor Mickey, Kate's cousin's husband. Wonder if he's still doing it ?
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Aye, run by Monitor Mickey, Kate's cousin's husband. Wonder if he's still doing it ?
Blimey you have been paying attention. I’ve never heard of him. Perhaos drop him a line and report back?
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You've been out and about though Sadie. Didn't some of you attend a trial of Tony Bennett, and I'm sure you visited a member who lives in France?
Stop picking on Sadie
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I think that wa s a sceptic myth...no one contacted me
I got the idea from Michael Wright. Is he a sceptic?
ID - Did the McCanns learn about these forums? How?
MW They learned through me, the family members who monitored the activity and their support group.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2335.0
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You've been out and about though Sadie. Didn't some of you attend a trial of Tony Bennett, and I'm sure you visited a member who lives in France?
Sadie came to visit me because I invited her and I like her and her husband. If that's okay with you. Sorry I didn't ask your permission first.
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I got the idea from Michael Wright. Is he a sceptic?
ID - Did the McCanns learn about these forums? How?
MW They learned through me, the family members who monitored the activity and their support group.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2335.0
How utterly appalling.
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It just goes to show, sceptics are far more clued up about the goings on amongst supporters than any of the supporters on here are thrmselves. Who is paying them to keep tabs on us?!
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Sadie, I’m not hear to assist anyone, I just happen to agree with Davel on most (though not all) things. But thanks for your kind words. I absolutely think you mean well but you will have to accept that some us do find your theories more than a little bizarre. I always go for the Occams Razor approach. The simplest solution is usually the correct one, and in this case the simplest solution is that very sadly Madeleine was taken from the apartment and probably killed and disposed of shortly thereafter.
That's fine VS. I know that you are not here just to assist Davel but I am glad that you do it. He, like all of us, benefits from support. Keep up the good work, and Davel too. You do come over as a kind of team, but I have always doubted that it was planned in advance. It is so spontanious, which makes it fun to read.
I think that OG have tried the Occams Razor approach and failed on that one and I rather think that they are looking at my thoughts and have taken it further. When all the normal scenarios have been done to death, one has to think laterally, which I did. I think that I was lucky, my unusual methods worked. Only info pointing to who the perp is, the "whys and wherefores", and circumstances (lies etc) that point to certain places have been passed to SY.
None of my ruminations about the possible reasons that Madeleine may have been chosen have been passed to OG; the first part is bizarre enough! However it has probably well over a hundred solid pointers, which link together like a massive jigsaw puzzle. I am not daft and I know that inevitably bits will be wrong, but if I were able to share it with you, I think you would believe it. Such is its strength
Hope that I was right and have given them a good start.
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Stop picking on Sadie
Picking on or reminding?
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Picking on or reminding?
What were you reminding me of?
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Everything below is pure speculation, based upon the likely lifestyle of my suspect.
I think that she will be living a rather nice lifestyle, but she will miss the fun of her home at Rothley with her fun filled Daddy and much loved Mummy. She will sorely miss the twins too.
However, I fear that she will be restricted in many ways and moved on fairly frequently, leaving friends behind. That is not nice. I also wonder if she has unhappily been been subjected to mind alteration, possibly by shamans in the Drakensberg mountains of Lesotho, where I believe she has visited the other "Fatima"
She will probably mainly travel by luxury yacht and slip into countries within the Schengen agreement quite easily. She will probably also visit other countries, by docking in small harbours. Money is no object, so she will probably also travel by private plane.
All the above is pure speculation, based upon the likely lifestyle of my suspect.
The Kingdom of Lesotho is a hour’s drive from my home. As a postgrad, I did fieldwork there.
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You've been out and about though Sadie. Didn't some of you attend a trial of Tony Bennett, and I'm sure you visited a member who lives in France?
Yeah, I combined a visit to OG at Belgravia police Station with Tony Bennetts trial and bumped into a couple of "supporters" there
And, yeah Elli and I have met, and mentioned it on here.
I was very close to Chicane, with both of us speaking over Skype as we went about our about our individual research for hours on end. on a daily basis for a while. Oh and I have also travelled twice to Portugal and once to Madeira and even to Britany and Normany to verify and enlarge my findings. And out in Portugal. I visited several places as far North as Guimares and Porto as well as in the south and also Tomar half way up and POW!! did I ever find things in PT.
But I have never been part of "Team Mccann", despite having been repeatedly accused of such. I think the term "Team Mccann is totally fictional, probably dreamed up by someone like Tony Bennett. Despite my interactions I have never interacted with my Madeleine colleagues (as the sceptics do). I don't believe there is such a group.
I have been very pro-active especially for a period of about 4 years when I picked up the habit of working thru the night until dawn as I (excitedly at times) did my very solid research and I have met quite a few others to do with the case, always at my instigation. I do not think there has ever been a team, like you side had and still has. Stop the Myths very certainly did some wonderful work pricking the bubbles of evilly spread lies.
I was too busy doing my own very exciting research and sadly not a member of that group. They proved so many myths by your side totally wrong. I congratulate them.
All our side want, individually, is to find Madeleine, stop the perps and see Justice done.
I have given you a very frank "report" on this and I don't intend going into it further.
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Sadie came to visit me because I invited her and I like her and her husband. If that's okay with you. Sorry I didn't ask your permission first.
Yep, we got on well, didn't we, Elli? It was fun and despite the extraordinarily basic ( is it called an Auberge? ) I liked the place we stayed too. Dirt cheap and fabulous food. The food was so good that the local ?factory owner booked it every day so that all his employees (about 30?) could have a wonderful lunchtime meal inside them. Yet they found room for us. The lady owner made us so welcome despite language difficulties.
So glad that your son is over there now to keep you company and keep an eye on you.
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Yep, we got on well, didn't we, Elli? It was fun and despite the extraordinarily basic ( is it called an Auberge? ) I liked the place we stayed too. Dirt cheap and fabulous food. The food was so good that the local ?factory owner booked it every day so that all his employees (about 30?) could have a wonderful lunchtime meal inside them. Yet they found room for us. The lady owner made us so welcome despite language difficulties.
So glad that your son is over there now to keep you company and keep an eye on you.
Yes, we had a lovely time.
I am glad for Robin as well. Some things were getting a bit beyond me.
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Stop picking on Sadie
There's teamwork.
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Everything below is pure speculation, based upon the likely lifestyle of my suspect.
I think that she will be living a rather nice lifestyle, but she will miss the fun of her home at Rothley with her fun filled Daddy and much loved Mummy. She will sorely miss the twins too.
However, I fear that she will be restricted in many ways and moved on fairly frequently, leaving friends behind. That is not nice. I also wonder if she has unhappily been been subjected to mind alteration, possibly by shamans in the Drakensberg mountains of Lesotho, where I believe she has visited the other "Fatima"
She will probably mainly travel by luxury yacht and slip into countries within the Schengen agreement quite easily. She will probably also visit other countries, by docking in small harbours. Money is no object, so she will probably also travel by private plane.
All the above is pure speculation, based upon the likely lifestyle of my suspect.
With respect Sadie, you know very well that the forum is based on facts where possible. Have you the slightest evidence that any of this takes place or is this mere wishful thinking on your behalf?
ETA. I know that you have shared this theory with us on many occasions and each time you refuse to provide anything to support it. Do you not think that it has worn very thin by now?
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With respect Sadie, you know very well that the forum is based on facts where possible. Have you the slightest evidence that any of this takes place or is this mere wishful thinking on your behalf?
ETA. I know that you have shared this theory with us on many occasions and each time you refuse to provide anything to support it. Do you not think that it has worn very thin by now?
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11876.msg637404#msg637404
I did ask a question that can really only be answered by speculation. I was trying to see what people are thinking. In fact I'd like to ask Kate and Gerry the same question. If you think Madeleine is still alive; what sort of life is she having?
It is a question about one's imagination, not actual facts.
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With respect Sadie, you know very well that the forum is based on facts where possible. Have you the slightest evidence that any of this takes place or is this mere wishful thinking on your behalf?
ETA. I know that you have shared this theory with us on many occasions and each time you refuse to provide anything to support it. Do you not think that it has worn very thin by now?
With respect John Sadie does acknowledge twice in her post that what she wrote was pure speculation.
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http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11876.msg637404#msg637404
I did ask a question that can really only be answered by speculation. I was trying to see what people are thinking. In fact I'd like to ask Kate and Gerry the same question. If you think Madeleine is still alive; what sort of life is she having?
It is a question about one's imagination, not actual facts.
For a purpose or just for fun?
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With respect Sadie, you know very well that the forum is based on facts where possible. Have you the slightest evidence that any of this takes place or is this mere wishful thinking on your behalf?
ETA. I know that you have shared this theory with us on many occasions and each time you refuse to provide anything to support it. Do you not think that it has worn very thin by now?
No, I haven't shared my main theory to any extent with anyone. That is for OG only
The speculation post about Madeleines life style is based upon the very rich and elite man that I suspect. His life style will, I think, be reflected in Madeleine lifestyle including the Countries where he has lived and has close friends. My evidence is with Operation Grange.
John, I have made it plain that it is speculation. Pathfinder has a very comprehensive section on speculating that Kate and Gerry 'dunit' and it seems that there is no problem in letting that stand. Pfinders work doesn't even say that it is speculation. Why the differentiation between his/her stuff and mine ?
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For a purpose or just for fun?
profiling.
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profiling.
How can you use imagination as a basis for that?
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How can you use imagination as a basis for that?
Profiling seems to be like imagination to me. Anyone thinking Madeleine is alive must have thought of what life she is having, wouldn't they?
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Rob... How much more are you going to perpetuate this nonsense? IT'S A STOCK PHOTO... and nothing to do with Madeleine McCann!!!
Thank our lucky stars for that. Do you think it would be possible to tell what agency had the stock photo on their books?
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11876.msg637301#msg637301
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Profiling seems to be like imagination to me. Anyone thinking Madeleine is alive must have thought of what life she is having, wouldn't they?
It depends entirely on what people want to believe, rather than on what they know. Dave Edgar thought she was being held as a sex slave;
living with her captor in a hideaway home or underground den inland from the popular seaside towns on the Algarve from where she was snatched.
https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/3512292/maddie-mccann-investigator-missing-could-be-alive/
I don't think profilers just make things up.
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It depends entirely on what people want to believe, rather than on what they know. Dave Edgar thought she was being held as a sex slave;
living with her captor in a hideaway home or underground den inland from the popular seaside towns on the Algarve from where she was snatched.
https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/3512292/maddie-mccann-investigator-missing-could-be-alive/
I don't think profilers just make things up.
i think you will find Dave Edgar thought that wa sone possibility...do you have a cite
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i think you will find Dave Edgar thought that wa sone possibility...do you have a cite
I included my cite with my post.
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I included my cite with my post.
Which shows im quite correct. Edgar said she could be being held...not that she was. a possibility thats all
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Which shows im quite correct. Edgar said she could be being held...not that she was. a possibility thats all
My point stands. People's opinions of a live MM's lifestyle is connected to their opinions of who she might be with, which is also an opinion. What's more, all these opinions lack any evidence to support them, so they can't be used as a basis for profiling. It's all pie in the sky.
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My point stands. People's opinions of a live MM's lifestyle is connected to their opinions of who she might be with, which is also an opinion. What's more, all these opinions lack any evidence to support them, so they can't be used as a basis for profiling. It's all pie in the sky.
I agree with your point but your dave edgar quote wasnt correct. I'm absolutetly certain SY and the McCanns realise the maddie is almost certainly sadly dead...Its the only sensible option imo
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I agree with your point but your dave edgar quote wasnt correct. I'm absolutetly certain SY and the McCanns realise the maddie is almost certainly sadly dead...Its the only sensible option imo
I agree, it's very difficult to imagine a scenario where she would have been kept alive. In my opinion experienced police officers like Edgar shouldn't speculate about such things either. It's acceptable to keep the case open, but not to actively raise false hope imo.
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I agree, it's very difficult to imagine a scenario where she would have been kept alive. In my opinion experienced police officers like Edgar shouldn't speculate about such things either. It's acceptable to keep the case open, but not to actively raise false hope imo.
As a parent, if you were told that your daughter has been kept alive as a sex slave, would you feel like your hopes are buoyed by that?
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As a parent, if you were told that your daughter has been kept alive as a sex slave, would you feel like your hopes are buoyed by that?
To put it bluntly, yes. Being kept alive as a sex slave is better than being raped and murdered any day.
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To put it bluntly, yes. Being kept alive as a sex slave is better than being raped and murdered any day.
Let's see if others agree. I seem to be unable to decide what is best.
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To put it bluntly, yes. Being kept alive as a sex slave is better than being raped and murdered any day.
I agree. Many women have survived this.
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I agree. Many women have survived this.
I can't think of an example involving a 4-year-old.
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I can't think of an example involving a 4-year-old.
Or indeed of any 4 year old being abducted from a holiday apartment.
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I agree. Many women have survived this.
I doubt she will have reached womanhood.
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I doubt she will have reached womanhood.
We simply don't know that.
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We simply don't know that.
Do you really think it at all likely, honestly ?
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Do you really think it at all likely, honestly ?
Do I think what is likely?
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Do I think what is likely?
That she reached womanhood of course, what else were we discussing ?
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That she reached womanhood of course, what else were we discussing ?
I live in hope. And so far I have seen nothing that says that Madeleine is dead.
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I live in hope. And so far I have seen nothing that says that Madeleine is dead.
But does that mean there is an equal chance of being dead or alive?
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But does that mean there is an equal chance of being dead or alive?
It means to me that I hope that Madeleine is alive and that I have no reason to think that she is dead.
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It means to me that I hope that Madeleine is alive and that I have no reason to think that she is dead.
Do you hope that Lord Lucan, Shergar and Ben Needham are alive too?
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Do you hope that Lord Lucan, Shergar and Ben Needham are alive too?
This comment isn't worth a reply and should have been beneath your dignity
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Do you hope that Lord Lucan, Shergar and Ben Needham are alive too?
Lord Lucan is / was a murderer, Shergar was a horse but who wouldn’t hope Ben Needham was still alive, no matter how unlikely? What an unpleasant comment of yours.
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Well, I have always thought she was alive, and that her parents appear to do the same.
But from the way the parents behaved I felt they had some idea of why she was taken. There is a video of Gerry's father (may have not been his father, but it wasn't Kate's father), saying they needed the donations for legal expenses. That to me was an indication that there was some reason to be anticipating legal expenses, in other words, I believe they knew what went on to some extent.
Thinking that she is alive and being well cared for is the only way I can think a person would take a 3 to 4-year-old.
So my thinking is she will be fully integrated into the new family and only have distant memories of the McCanns.
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I just cannot see a paedophile going to such risky lengths to abduct a child he can't even have known about a week before just to kill her. It doesn't make sense.
There has to be another reason for Brueckner or anyone else to do this.
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Well, I have always thought she was alive, and that her parents appear to do the same.
But from the way the parents behaved I felt they had some idea of why she was taken. There is a video of Gerry's father (may have not been his father, but it wasn't Kate's father), saying they needed the donations for legal expenses. That to me was an indication that there was some reason to be anticipating legal expenses, in other words, I believe they knew what went on to some extent.
Thinking that she is alive and being well cared for is the only way I can think a person would take a 3 to 4-year-old.
So my thinking is she will be fully integrated into the new family and only have distant memories of the McCanns.
Does anyone remember who spoke about the fund was for paying legal expenses?
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Does anyone remember who spoke about the fund was for paying legal expenses?
I can't precisely remember, Rob, but someone will.
But it wasn't as stark as it has been made to sound and was actually quite logical. Possibly something to do with setting up The Fund because thousands of pounds were being donate without anyone even asking.
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Does anyone remember who spoke about the fund was for paying legal expenses?
Found the video https://youtu.be/w4jsLkwa7cc
https://youtu.be/w4jsLkwa7cc?t=69 is where the interviewer is joined by Kate's uncle "Brian Kennedy"
(Madeleine's great uncle)
... the money can be used for all sorts of things but probably mainly for legal expenditure"
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deleted - off topic post.
Not in 2007 it wouldn't. They were probably on 56k dial up in Lagos. Come on man, think contemporaneously.
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Davel - One reason would to make a video of abuse and charge to watch on the dark Web. Australian police have just arrested a group for doing just that. It would also tie in with everything Wolters has said and also CBs remark that he had a terrible job to do but would make him rich"
I don't see how that relates to the topic.
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Davel - One reason would to make a video of abuse and charge to watch on the dark Web. Australian police have just arrested a group for doing just that. It would also tie in with everything Wolters has said and also CBs remark that he had a terrible job to do but would make him rich"
I don't see how that relates to the topic.
Have a look at the last few posts... It relates to whether Maddie is alive.
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I just cannot see a paedophile going to such risky lengths to abduct a child he can't even have known about a week before just to kill her. It doesn't make sense.
There has to be another reason for Brueckner or anyone else to do this.
I have answered your post but Rob seems to think it's off topic
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Not in 2007 it wouldn't. They were probably on 56k dial up in Lagos. Come on man, think contemporaneously.
You tube introduced 2005
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Have a look at the last few posts... It relates to whether Maddie is alive.
Which posts?
I have answered your post but Rob seems to think it's off topic
If it was related to what Eleanor said maybe you should have quoted her.
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Which posts?
If it was related to what Eleanor said maybe you should have quoted her.
I thought about it but had reason not to
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I thought about it but had reason not to
Well tough.
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I just cannot see a paedophile going to such risky lengths to abduct a child he can't even have known about a week before just to kill her. It doesn't make sense.
There has to be another reason for Brueckner or anyone else to do this.
The reason could be to make a video of abuse to sell on the dark Web. This would tie in with everything Wolters has said and CBs claim that he had a horrible job to do but it would make him rich
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I can but my post has been deleted for off topic
I saved the text in case you had posted it on the wrong thread.
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The reason could be to make a video of abuse to sell on the dark Web. This would tie in with everything Wolters has said and CBs claim that he had a horrible job to do but it would make him rich
He ended up richer, but did that video ever end up on the Dark Web?
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He ended up richer, but did that video ever end up on the Dark Web?
Did whichever miscreant who apparently coughed actually say that CB said 'it would make him richer'? I thought this 4th hand uncorroborated statement was merely about 'a dirty job', which could be anything from mucking out the pigs at the Ciprianos, to putting a new drive train in a Ford Escort van.
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Is this now on topic
No.
Keep it narrow. Quite how CB would monetise a snuff video on the darkweb in 2007, I can't grasp, particularly given his total lack of resources and this apparent limited timescale, when he was hotfooting it across Europe in one or two of several vehicles.
If he did somehow manage to summon the wherewithal, he wasn't very successful - he's still skint.
Can she be alive? Can she? Do we dare hope, knowing what we know about the dogs? We can only hope to dare to dream.
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No.
Keep it narrow. Quite how CB would monetise a snuff video on the darkweb in 2007, I can't grasp, particularly given his total lack of resources and this apparent limited timescale, when he was hotfooting it across Europe in one or two of several vehicles.
If he did somehow manage to summon the wherewithal, he wasn't very successful - he's still skint.
Can she be alive? Can she? Do we dare hope, knowing what we know about the dogs? We can only hope to dare to dream.
Until we can have a fair discussion I can't be bothered to answer
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Until we can have a fair discussion I can't be bothered to answer
Welcome to my world.
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Well, I have always thought she was alive, and that her parents appear to do the same.
But from the way the parents behaved I felt they had some idea of why she was taken. There is a video of Gerry's father (may have not been his father, but it wasn't Kate's father), saying they needed the donations for legal expenses. That to me was an indication that there was some reason to be anticipating legal expenses, in other words, I believe they knew what went on to some extent.
Thinking that she is alive and being well cared for is the only way I can think a person would take a 3 to 4-year-old.
So my thinking is she will be fully integrated into the new family and only have distant memories of the McCanns.
Kate's uncle, Brian Kennedy, on 17th May;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4jsLkwa7cc
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No.
Keep it narrow. Quite how CB would monetise a snuff video on the darkweb in 2007, I can't grasp, particularly given his total lack of resources and this apparent limited timescale, when he was hotfooting it across Europe in one or two of several vehicles.
If he did somehow manage to summon the wherewithal, he wasn't very successful - he's still skint.
Can she be alive? Can she? Do we dare hope, knowing what we know about the dogs? We can only hope to dare to dream.
Are you suggesting that child porn videos on the internet were not a thing in 2007? When was that particularly unsavoury practice introduced then?
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The reason could be to make a video of abuse to sell on the dark Web. This would tie in with everything Wolters has said and CBs claim that he had a horrible job to do but it would make him rich
Would it not have been easier to pick a random child on the streets?
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Would it not have been easier to pick a random child on the streets?
According to HCW he has concrete evidence Maddie dead and CB murdered her. Some want to ignore that but I think it has to be taken seriously.
I can think of several reasons why it was Maddie that was targeted.
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There was one thing Wolters said that made me wonder. It was to do with the mind set of The British as opposed to The Germans. One person will see something and form an impression while another will see something else. I just can't remember precisely what it was, but it was quite clear, if anyone can find it.
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Would it not have been easier to pick a random child on the streets?
It would, but Madeleine was special, don't you know.
IMO there was a very good reason why Madeleine disappeared and it involved paedophilia
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It would, but Madeleine was special, don't you know.
IMO there was a very good reason why Madeleine disappeared and it involved paedophilia
You suspect the McCanns and their friends are paedos then?
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It would, but Madeleine was special, don't you know.
IMO there was a very good reason why Madeleine disappeared and it involved paedophilia
For what reason could Madeleine have been special to Brueckner?
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For what reason could Madeleine have been special to Brueckner?
You don't really think Jassi meant Bruckner do you?
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Well, I have always thought she was alive, and that her parents appear to do the same.
Thinking that she is alive and being well cared for is the only way I can think a person would take a 3 to 4-year-old.
So my thinking is she will be fully integrated into the new family and only have distant memories of the McCanns.
could a mod explain why my reply to Robs post was deemed off topic
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According to HCW he has concrete evidence Maddie dead and CB murdered her. Some want to ignore that but I think it has to be taken seriously.
I can think of several reasons why it was Maddie that was targeted but with the unfair moderation by Rob this morning ccant be bothered to discuss them
Wolters also said Madeleine could be alive. He thinks she was murdered because that's what usually happens to kidnapped children;
When quizzed by the paper why he said that he believed Madeleine may have been killed quickly after she was snatched, he responded: "That was private opinion and speculation… without facts.
"I said ‘I believe’ because in cases where children were kidnapped, they made a sexual crime then killed."
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/uknews/11857827/madeleine-mccann-still-alive-german-prosecutor/
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You don't really think Jassi meant Bruckner do you?
No. But I'm not going there.
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Wolters also said Madeleine could be alive. He thinks she was murdered because that's what usually happens to kidnapped children;
When quizzed by the paper why he said that he believed Madeleine may have been killed quickly after she was snatched, he responded: "That was private opinion and speculation… without facts.
"I said ‘I believe’ because in cases where children were kidnapped, they made a sexual crime then killed."
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/uknews/11857827/madeleine-mccann-still-alive-german-prosecutor/
I have a good reply.
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could a mod explain why my reply to Robs post was deemed off topic
Well, I'll say I don't think it was me.
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Wolters also said Madeleine could be alive. He thinks she was murdered because that's what usually happens to kidnapped children;
When quizzed by the paper why he said that he believed Madeleine may have been killed quickly after she was snatched, he responded: "That was private opinion and speculation… without facts.
"I said ‘I believe’ because in cases where children were kidnapped, they made a sexual crime then killed."
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/uknews/11857827/madeleine-mccann-still-alive-german-prosecutor/
So, are you saying he actually hasn't got the proof she dead?
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Well, I'll say I don't think it was me.
you posted...
I don't see how that relates to the topic.
then deleted the post and posted,..."Tough"
At least have the honesty to tell the truth
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So, are you saying he actually hasn't got the proof she dead?
Arte you actually following the case...hes never said he has proof
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Arte you actually following the case...hes never said he has proof
He might have evidence but he doesn't have proof.
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He might have evidence but he doesn't have proof.
hes never claimed to have proof...for the second time
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you posted...
I don't see how that relates to the topic.
then deleted the post and posted,..."Tough"
At least have the honesty to tell the truth
My comment "tough" is still there. I can't recall the post you are referring to.
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My comment "tough" is still there. I can't recall the post you are referring to.
the one you said ypou had saved in case i posted on the wrong thread. Do you have problems with short term memory
you deleted it and said you had saved it
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So, are you saying he actually hasn't got the proof she dead?
They have 'indications', whatever they are;
But Mr Wolters told Sky News last week: “All indications we have got that I can't tell you points in the direction that Madeleine is dead.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/uknews/11857827/madeleine-mccann-still-alive-german-prosecutor/
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He might have evidence but he doesn't have proof.
That's what Davel said. I thought we all understood that.
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They have 'indications', whatever they are;
But Mr Wolters told Sky News last week: “All indications we have got that I can't tell you points in the direction that Madeleine is dead.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/uknews/11857827/madeleine-mccann-still-alive-german-prosecutor/
Concrete evidence is what he has said live...you seem to want to deny it
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They have 'indications', whatever they are;
But Mr Wolters told Sky News last week: “All indications we have got that I can't tell you points in the direction that Madeleine is dead.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/uknews/11857827/madeleine-mccann-still-alive-german-prosecutor/
indication - a sign or piece of information that indicates something
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They have 'indications', whatever they are;
But Mr Wolters told Sky News last week: “All indications we have got that I can't tell you points in the direction that Madeleine is dead.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/uknews/11857827/madeleine-mccann-still-alive-german-prosecutor/
Those indications could be as unreliable as cadaver dog alerts.
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indication - a sign or piece of information that indicates something
Wolters has said concrete evidence....dog alerts are not concrete evidence
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Concrete evidence is what he has said live...you seem to want to deny it
And no one was able to say what the "concrete evidence" was.
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Are you suggesting that child porn videos on the internet were not a thing in 2007? When was that particularly unsavoury practice introduced then?
Selective reading again? I'm going to start referring to this logical fallacy you've perfected as 'Jenga Tower' - create a mythical tower of 'a suggestion' or interpretation of what you know wasn't suggested at all, to then knock the mythical tower down with an equally obtuse assertion. That's Jenga.
I'm sure it was technically feasible to access said darkweb and upload, although I'll bow to your superior knowledge, but quite how he could abduct and murder MM (dirty job), then nip off to an internet cafe in Lagos, then find some hitherto unknown method of monetising (get rich) such a video is open to conjecture.
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And no one was able to say what the "concrete evidence" was.
wrong...we can all give our opinion on what concrete evidence is....but we cant know exactly what wolters means.
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wrong...we can all give our opinion on what concrete evidence is....but we cant know exactly what wolters means.
I can, given my unbiased outlook.
He narrowed it right down for us, which is helpful.
Not quite as robust as concrete, more of a grout or mortar.
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That's what Davel said. I thought we all understood that.
Davel talks about evidence and "concrete evidence" and hates me using the word proof.
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Davel talks about evidence and "concrete evidence" and hates me using the word proof.
Absolute rubbish a susual...you can use any words you like but be honest as to the words HCW used...its lies I hate
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Selective reading again? I'm going to start referring to this logical fallacy you've perfected as 'Jenga Tower' - create a mythical tower of 'a suggestion' or interpretation of what you know wasn't suggested at all, to then knock the mythical tower down with an equally obtuse assertion. That's Jenga.
I'm sure it was technically feasible to access said darkweb and upload, although I'll bow to your superior knowledge, but quite how he could abduct and murder MM (dirty job), then nip off to an internet cafe in Lagos, then find some hitherto unknown method of monetising (get rich) such a video is open to conjecture.
So it was possible then, and not therefore something to be sneeringly dismissed as a ridiculous idea as you did in your previous post? Who suggested he would attempt to upload porn at an internet cafe in Lagos? Did he not return to Germany shortly after the disappearance? Could he not have sold the video there to interested parties or uploaded it on their superior broadband facilities? I shall await your mocking, insulting reply with breath well and truly unbaited.
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Davel talks about evidence and "concrete evidence" and hates me using the word proof.
your posts dont show a particularly good grasp of the facts
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wrong...we can all give our opinion on what concrete evidence is....but we cant know exactly what wolters means.
Do we finally agree on a point?
Absolute rubbish a susual...you can use any words you like but be honest as to the words HCW used...its lies I hate
Same here I hate liars too.
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your posts dont show a particularly good grasp of the facts
In your humble opinion.
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Davel talks about evidence and "concrete evidence" and hates me using the word proof.
In my opinion there is no 'proof'. Proof is a fact that demonstrates something to be real or true.
'Evidence is information that might lead one to believe something to be real or true. Proof is final and conclusive. Evidence is tentative'.
HCW has 'evidence'. I'm re-classifying it as Grout Evidence. Or Roy Walker evidence - it's good, but it's not right.
He's got something, the little Teutonic scamp, there's no question. But he still hasn't got enough.
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wrong...we can all give our opinion on what concrete evidence is....but we cant know exactly what wolters means.
Of course we can't. That's why I am waiting.
The Germans do have a different mindset to The British. But this doesn't make the opinions of any of us right or wrong.
And as far as I can see, everything is now Off Topic as these are not the reasons for why this Thread was started. Was it not to do with some weirdo on Face Book. What happened to that?
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In my opinion there is no 'proof'. Proof is a fact that demonstrates something to be real or true.
'Evidence is information that might lead one to believe something to be real or true. Proof is final and conclusive. Evidence is tentative'.
HCW has 'evidence'. I'm re-classifying it as Grout Evidence. Or Roy Walker evidence - it's good, but it's not right.
He's got something, the little Teutonic scamp, there's no question. But he still hasn't got enough.
Evidence can also be false.
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In your humble opinion.
its a fact...you cant remember deleteing a post an hour ago...not sure what the problem is.
Wolters has never used the word proof...best stick to fascts not fantasy...thers enough of that on this thraed
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Kate's uncle, Brian Kennedy, on 17th May;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4jsLkwa7cc
I always thought that whilst Brian Kennedy had the same surname as Kates Mum that there was no relationship. That he was just a very rich man (via double glazing) who wanted to help, like Eddie Stobbard did. Have I got that wrong?
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Davel talks about evidence and "concrete evidence" and hates me using the word proof.
Wolters has never said he has proof, so why suggest that he has?
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Of course we can't. That's why I am waiting.
The Germans do have a different mindset to The British. But this doesn't make the opinions of any of us right or wrong.
And as far as I can see, everything is now Off Topic as these are not the reasons for why this Thread was started. Was it not to do with some weirdo on Face Book. What happened to that?
Its the correct thing to do..wait and see what wolters has...but some dont want to wait...they want to call him a liar and a fool...idiotic
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Evidence can also be false.
Indeed. Evidence can be anything gathered during the investigation, 99% of which may be discarded.
Concrete evidence is an oxymoron, but we have to give HCW the benefit of the doubt, given the language barrier.
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Do we finally agree on a point?
Same here I hate liars too.
Some people can't tell the difference between Lies and Suggestions.
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In your humble opinion.
Davel, like me, doesn't have Humble Opinions.
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In my opinion there is no 'proof'. Proof is a fact that demonstrates something to be real or true.
'Evidence is information that might lead one to believe something to be real or true. Proof is final and conclusive. Evidence is tentative'.
HCW has 'evidence'. I'm re-classifying it as Grout Evidence. Or Roy Walker evidence - it's good, but it's not right.
He's got something, the little Teutonic scamp, there's no question. But he still hasn't got enough.
But I saw a quote which suggested "Madeleine could still be alive". So he can't have proof she's dead, and how does he cope with evidence that she is dead, and still say she could be alive?
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I always thought that whilst Brian Kennedy had the same surname as Kates Mum that there was no relationship. That he was just a very rich man (via double glazing) who wanted to help, like Eddie Stobbard did. Have I got that wrong?
There are two Brian Kennedys Sadie.
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Davel, like me, doesn't have Humble Opinions.
The point I was making was there is a difference between opinions and facts.
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But I saw a quote which suggested "Madeleine could still be alive". So he can't have proof she's dead, and how does he cope with evidence that she is dead, and still say she could be alive?
ive expalined alll this but it seems youve forgotten
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Its the correct thing to do..wait and see what wolters has...but some dont want to wait...they want to call him a liar and a fool...idiotic
Actually utterly stupid. If you ask me.
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The point I was making was there is a difference between opinions and facts.
have you only just realised taht...some of us already know
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The point I was making was there is a difference between opinions and facts.
No one I know has ever disputed that.
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Some people can't tell the difference between Lies and Suggestions.
The two words are certainly spelled differently.
have you only just realised taht...some of us already know
I knew it all along but you needed reminding.
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No one I know has ever disputed that.
Opinions should be made clear they are opinions, and not presented as fact.
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The two words are certainly spelled differently.
I knew it all along but you needed reminding.
I dont need you to remind me of anything...Im not the one with the poor memory.
you hadnt watched the latest podcast by MS until this week...so you dont keep up with the facts of the case. Thats fact...not opinion
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I dont need you to remind me of anything...Im not the one with the poor memory.
you hadnt watched the latest podcast by MS until this week...so you dont keep up with the facts of the case. Thats fact...not opinion
So what. I missed a podcast.
ive expalined alll this but it seems youve forgotten
What post did you explain this?
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Opinions should be made clear they are opinions, and not presented as fact.
make sure everyone abides by that.....I do. its generally some moderators that dont. Could you remind Angelo
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Too many Deletions going on here when a Modification would do, if even that.
Now, what chance of getting back to The Weirdo on FaceBook?
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make sure everyone abides by that.....I do. its generally some moderators that dont. Could you remind Angelo
You might have to remind me!
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So what. I missed a podcast.
What post did you explain this?
if you missed the podcast where wolters speaks live then you are not up to date with all the facts...thats a fact ...not opinion.
as for the other point...Ive explained over several posts on several threads my answer to that point...if you havent kept on top of whats been posted again thats a gap in your knowledge
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You might have to remind me!
cant be bothered
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Too many Deletions going on here when a Modification would do, if even that.
Now, what chance of getting back to The Weirdo on FaceBook?
I think he has accepted the photo isn't Madeleine and moved on.
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cant be bothered
How much do you bet?
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Too many Deletions going on here when a Modification would do, if even that.
Now, what chance of getting back to The Weirdo on FaceBook?
Yes...Rob started this thread based on information from what i vcan only describe as a sheer fanatist who beleives maddie was abducted to cover up an investigation into the abduction of british VIP. he claims Gerry fought with the abductor and that expalins the blood. he claims it asociated with the russians,, death of Diana ...JFK assassination.
Rob wants to lecture us on the difference betweeen facts and opinions
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if you missed the podcast where wolters speaks live then you are not up to date with all the facts...thats a fact ...not opinion.
as for the other point...Ive explained over several posts on several threads my answer to that point...if you havent kept on top of whats been posted again thats a gap in your knowledge
I had a feeling I'd get an answer like that.
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I always thought that whilst Brian Kennedy had the same surname as Kates Mum that there was no relationship. That he was just a very rich man (via double glazing) who wanted to help, like Eddie Stobbard did. Have I got that wrong?
You didn't know there were two Brian Kennedy's? &%%6
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Some Moderators do seem to miss large chunks overnight. I very rarely do. My Notification System takes me to where I left off.
I don't know why this happens to them, but they need to get their acts together. If they wish to Moderate on this Forum then they need to know what is being said all of the time. Anything less is a bad show.
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Yes...Rob started this thread based on information from what i vcan only describe as a sheer fanatist who beleives maddie was abducted to cover up an investigation into the abduction of british VIP. he claims Gerry fought with the abductor and that expalins the blood. he claims it asociated with the russians,, death of Diana ...JFK assassination.
Rob wants to lecture us on the difference betweeen facts and opinions
I think it was important to follow up on possible sightings. If someone says they have a photo, I want to see it and check it out.
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I think he has accepted the photo isn't Madeleine and moved on.
Any new Weirdos yet?
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You didn't know there were two Brian Kennedy's? &%%6
No need for that. It was confusing for us all.
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Some Moderators do seem to miss large chunks overnight. I very rarely do. My Notification System takes me to where I left off.
I don't know why this happens to them, but they need to get their acts together. If they wish to Moderate on this Forum then they need to know what is being said all of the time. Anything less is a bad show.
I complained to Admin about the forum malfunctioning. If there are 3 threads with "New" posts, when I click on one thread and read it, when I return to the index the other two threads had lost their "New" status.
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Any new Weirdos yet?
No, all quiet lately.
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I complained to Admin about the forum malfunctioning. If there are 3 threads with "New" posts, when I click on one thread and read it, when I return to the index the other two threads had lost their "New" status.
Something similar happens to me. If I click on the top thread, the other 'new' alerts disappear, whereas if I click on the earliest alert, the others remain.
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Something similar happens to me. If I click on the top thread, the other 'new' alerts disappear, whereas if I click on the earliest alert, the others remain.
OK that might explain it. I also use the technique of opening all the threads up in new tabs, but sometimes I forget.
But your suggestion is the easiest, from now on I'll work from the bottom of the list.
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I think it was important to follow up on possible sightings. If someone says they have a photo, I want to see it and check it out.
Nothing wrong with that. Until someone Deletes a Comment for being Off Topic when The Thread is already way Off Topic.
I am not always happy with the Unwritten Rule that Moderators should avoid Deleting the Comments of other Moderators. But don't test my patience on this. I am not very nice when I have had enough.
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I complained to Admin about the forum malfunctioning. If there are 3 threads with "New" posts, when I click on one thread and read it, when I return to the index the other two threads had lost their "New" status.
I have never used this system. My Email Notifications take me to where I left off, although I always scroll back up a bit just in case.
Why do you not have Email Notifications, Rob? It is so easy. So, your InBox gets a bit full sometimes, but it isn't difficult to deal with that.
I mean, do you take this job seriously? Or is it just a bit of hit and miss.
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I think it was important to follow up on possible sightings. If someone says they have a photo, I want to see it and check it out.
I think you should check the source first rather than continually starting pointless silly theads and im sure other posters share my view
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I think you should check the source first rather than continually starting pointless silly theads and im sure other poasters share my view
No, I don't mind Rob's naivety. He does have a more kind side to his nature, which is more than can be said for some.
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No, I don't mind Rob's naivety. He does have a more kind side to his nature, which is more than can be said for some.
Rob is an absolute diamond and I've continually told him that. If he didn't live 13000 miles away I'm sure we'd be meeting up at Wetherspoon's for an all day brunch and 6 pints of Strongbow.
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No, I don't mind Rob's naivety. He does have a more kind side to his nature, which is more than can be said for some.
Sometimes it instigates discussion at quiet periods but there does come a time when I despair of the biased tit for tat arguments in which I think restraint is required.
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Sometimes it instigates discussion at quiet periods but there does come a time when I despair of the biased tit for tat arguments in which I think restraint is required.
As I tried to point out yesterday, if there's only one or two active threads for a number of days - just roll with it, see what transpires. If it gets ugly wield the stick of justice.
Rob's threads have at the very least got us all providing input, irrespective of the quality or otherwise.
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Rob is an absolute diamond and I've continually told him that. If he didn't live 13000 miles away I'm sure we'd be meeting up at Wetherspoon's for an all day brunch and 6 pints of Strongbow.
13,000 Miles? Gosh, as far as that. Could someone tell this to O'Connor? He doesn't listen to me. There be Badgers down there. He thinks.
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I think it was important to follow up on possible sightings. If someone says they have a photo, I want to see it and check it out.
What I find totally illogical is that you want to check out information from any weirdo on the net before dismissing it but as regards rds The German Prosecutor you want to dismiss him before hearing what he has to say
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As I tried to point out yesterday, if there's only one or two active threads for a number of days - just roll with it, see what transpires. If it gets ugly wield the stick of justice.
Rob's threads have at the very least got us all providing input, irrespective of the quality or otherwise.
I really don't think threads like this one lend anything to the forum's credibility or to the discussion, they are pointless and this one in particular is IMO wrong on several levels.
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Sometimes it instigates discussion at quiet periods but there does come a time when I despair of the biased tit for tat arguments in which I think restraint is required.
But at least Rob is asleep when we are mainly at it. Phew. Thankful for small mercies sometimes.
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No, I don't mind Rob's naivety. He does have a more kind side to his nature, which is more than can be said for some.
I know, there are some absolute b******s on here. ?{)(**
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I really don't think threads like this one lend anything to the forum's credibility or to the discussion, they are pointless and this one in particular is IMO wrong on several levels.
But mostly it keeps the whole thing going when we are in danger of being bored witless.
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I know, there are some absolute b******s on here. ?{)(**
I don't believe that.
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I know, there are some absolute b******s on here. ?{)(**
Yeh, me!
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Rob is an absolute diamond and I've continually told him that. If he didn't live 13000 miles away I'm sure we'd be meeting up at Wetherspoon's for an all day brunch and 6 pints of Strongbow.
And I would definitely let him remove Arthur's anal adenoma.
8((()*/
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And I would definitely let him remove Arthur's anal adenoma.
8((()*/
I've asked him to do mine, he's not averse.
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But mostly it keeps the whole thing going when we are in danger of being bored witless.
At the risk of another unfair 20 points today I think mods should try and keep the debate going.. Which is what most mods do. I actually admire SIL for refusing to be bullied.... Even though we were often at odds
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But mostly it keeps the whole thing going when we are in danger of being bored witless.
In which case I look forward to the next thread to feature a stock photo model purported to be Madeleine by some FB weirdo for us all to discuss at length, this one seems to have run its course somewhat.
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At the risk of another unfair 20 points today I think mods should try and keep the debate going.. Which is what most mods do. I actually admire SIL for refusing to be bullied.... Even though we were often at odds
Hear hear.
It might be time for some new blood. Preferably independent.
I'd like to say the mods here are doing a great job...
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I've asked him to do mine, he's not averse.
Ha!! I bet VS would do it with some secateurs and a dab of thinners!
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Ha!! I bet VS would do it with some secateurs and a dab of thinners!
And I wouldn't charge much.
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Yeh, me!
No. Not even you.
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Some ask dentists how they can look into people's mouths all day....there's obviously worse places to look
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Some ask dentists how they can look into people's mouths all day....there's obviously worse places to look
I must say that I hadn't considered that. And certainly don't want to now.
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At the risk of another unfair 20 points today I think mods should try and keep the debate going.. Which is what most mods do. I actually admire SIL for refusing to be bullied.... Even though we were often at odds
You think people tried to bully SIL? Who were they? Do tell!
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You think people tried to bully SIL? Who were they? Do tell!
My lips are sealed
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My lips are sealed
Where would you be if all your patients said that lol
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My lips are sealed
I suppose anyone who's interested can use the search facility and work it out.
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I suppose anyone who's interested can use the search facility and work it out.
In my opinion Shining would have a right good laugh at the notion anyone here was capable of bullying him. He provided many informative posts when active and I think I could safely say he is probably saddened to see the dumbing down of the forum if he even bothers to visit anymore.
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In my opinion Shining would have a right good laugh at the notion anyone here was capable of bullying him. He provided many informative posts when active and I think I could safely say he is probably saddened to see the dumbing down of the forum if he even bothers to visit anymore.
I'm pretty sure the 'dumbing down of the forum' is why he left.
Which coincided with me joining.
Yeh, you've got a decent point.
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I don't believe that.
I know my lineage or lack of, you don't.
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Nothing wrong with that. Until someone Deletes a Comment for being Off Topic when The Thread is already way Off Topic.
I am not always happy with the Unwritten Rule that Moderators should avoid Deleting the Comments of other Moderators. But don't test my patience on this. I am not very nice when I have had enough.
Only Davel's off-topic comment when I couldn't understand the meaning behind it. I tried to PM him first for an explanation but he had me blocked.
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I have never used this system. My Email Notifications take me to where I left off, although I always scroll back up a bit just in case.
Why do you not have Email Notifications, Rob? It is so easy. So, your InBox gets a bit full sometimes, but it isn't difficult to deal with that.
I mean, do you take this job seriously? Or is it just a bit of hit and miss.
The "New" used to work perfectly.
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What I find totally illogical is that you want to check out information from any weirdo on the net before dismissing it but as regards rds The German Prosecutor you want to dismiss him before hearing what he has to say
Why do you make statements about me that seem to be lies when I read them. Stop making judgments about me, please.
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In which case I look forward to the next thread to feature a stock photo model purported to be Madeleine by some FB weirdo for us all to discuss at length, this one seems to have run its course somewhat.
Not only a stock photo but a person that two of these photo-sharing companies shared for "free". They allowed people to download and use images of this girl for free, and that is why IMO out of the thousands of images available she appears in so many articles.
I would have liked to know who she really was so we could be absolutely sure she wasn't Madeleine grown up.
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I suppose anyone who's interested can use the search facility and work it out.
Do not advocate this. Or I might get a bit cross.
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Only Davel's off-topic comment when I couldn't understand the meaning behind it. I tried to PM him first for an explanation but he had me blocked.
Since you have never answered any PM that I have ever sent you then I don't understand what yo are talking of.
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The "New" used to work perfectly.
Then how come you don't appear to know wha tis going on?
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Do not advocate this. Or I might get a bit cross.
Why? Surely all bullies should be called out?
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Why? Surely all bullies should be called out?
What? What did anyone say? Have I lost plot again? Oh dearie me.
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What? What did anyone say? Have I lost plot again? Oh dearie me.
As you said, "Then how come you don't appear to know what is going on?" We all study different things.
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Since you have never answered any PM that I have ever sent you then I don't understand what yo are talking of.
What a strange allegation. Have I never replied to any of your PMs? I'd be most surprised if that is the case. But it could be. If John or Admin wrote to me I'd just leave it at that. Maybe that's how I treat you too, one above me. If I was to reply I'd be taking a stance of being your equal. Maybe you wouldn't like that either.
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As you said, "Then how come you don't appear to know what is going on?" We all study different things.
No. I occasionally lose the plot because some Members try to blind me with their idea of semantics. They just aren't very good at it.
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What a strange allegation. Have I never replied to any of your PMs? I'd be most surprised if that is the case. But it could be. If John or Admin wrote to me I'd just leave it at that. Maybe that's how I treat you too, one above me. If I was to reply I'd be taking a stance of being your equal. Maybe you wouldn't like that either.
All members are equal I think and it certainly could never be suggested that that John or Admin ever throw their weight around trusting that for most of the time we are capable of behaving in a responsible manner.
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No. I occasionally lose the plot because some Members try to blind me with their idea of semantics. They just aren't very good at it.
I'm bored with the nit picking and personal spats which have become a feature. It's like being back at school.
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What a strange allegation. Have I never replied to any of your PMs? I'd be most surprised if that is the case. But it could be. If John or Admin wrote to me I'd just leave it at that. Maybe that's how I treat you too, one above me. If I was to reply I'd be taking a stance of being your equal. Maybe you wouldn't like that either.
Now there's a thought. Do you honestly think that I am one above you? Thank you so much if you do. No one else does. In fact you could start a riot if you are not frightfully careful.
Love you too. xx. Senior Moderator Eleanor.
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All members are equal I think and it certainly could never be suggested that that John or Admin ever throw their weight around trusting that for most of the time we are capable of behaving in a responsible manner.
Speak for yourself. I'm going for me being a bit speshul.
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All members are equal I think and it certainly could never be suggested that that John or Admin ever throw their weight around trusting that for most of the time we are capable of behaving in a responsible manner.
I see no support given to Brueckner...the vile human being deserves to be punished for his crimes....but a miscarriage of justice serves no one.
Amaral and Wolter, for me, are two peas in a pod. Both claimed they had evidence which proved guilt but when it came to it the evidence they claimed to have was insufficient to bring charges.
I find it interesting that while supporters have researched every cough and spit of Amaral’s life they seem strangely disinterested in Wolter’s. For instance how many cases has he successfully prosecuted? Have any of the cases he worked on which lead to a conviction been overturned on appeal? Has he a particular fondness for being in the limelight? All very relevant questions when considering Wolter’s professionalism and his ability to solve the case.
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I see no support given to Brueckner...the vile human being deserves to be punished for his crimes....but a miscarriage of justice serves no one.
Amaral and Wolter, for me, are two peas in a pod. Both claimed they had evidence which proved guilt but when it came to it the evidence they claimed to have was insufficient to bring charges.
I find it interesting that while supporters have researched every cough and spit of Amaral’s life they seem strangely disinterested in Wolter’s. For instance how many cases has he successfully prosecuted? Have any of the cases he worked on which lead to a conviction been overturned on appeal? Has he a particular fondness for being in the limelight? All very relevant questions when considering Wolter’s professionalism and his ability to solve the case.
An interesting suggestion. But is not Wolters a Prosecutor and not simply a Detective?
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An interesting suggestion. But is not Wolters a Prosecutor and not simply a Detective?
Maybe one of our excellent researchers can answer that?
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Maybe one of our excellent researchers can answer that?
Will it make a difference? At the moment I am too tired to care.
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All members are equal I think and it certainly could never be suggested that that John or Admin ever throw their weight around trusting that for most of the time we are capable of behaving in a responsible manner.
I would say most of the time I do behave in a responsible manner but when it comes to members saying on the forum that I'm lying without them actually proving their case I will give them warning points and delete those posts. Now surely that is the right thing to do.
So even doing that moderator action is responsible IMO and hopefully "responsible" in your view as well.
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Will it make a difference? At the moment I am too tired to care.
My advice would be to go to bed. A running unicorn cake is not the easy project and after 5 solid hours carving and ganaching I’m just about ready to drop too. Answers can be sought another day. Sleep well.
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An interesting suggestion. But is not Wolters a Prosecutor and not simply a Detective?
The Sun article called him State prosecutor. "A GERMAN prosecutor has told The Sun Portuguese police are still convinced Maddie McCann’s parents are involved in her death.
But Hans Christian Wolters, Braunschweig state prosecutor, is convinced Christian B is the main suspect and Kate and Gerry McCann "don't have anything to do with it".
https://www.the-sun.com/news/965262/madeleine-mccann-prosecutor-portuguese-cops/
https://celebpie.com/hans-christian-wolters/ "who is the German prosecutor HCW?"
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All members are equal I think and it certainly could never be suggested that that John or Admin ever throw their weight around trusting that for most of the time we are capable of behaving in a responsible manner.
Have you never ever been told off by John or Admin? Maybe you haven't and that is fine, but when I do I tend to leave it at that.
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I think you should check the source first rather than continually starting pointless silly theads and im sure other posters share my view
If you were to read the OP this was the sort of advice I was wanting right from the start. I was looking for advice on how to handle this situation. Did you tell me to research the source right from the beginning?
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That's what Davel said. I thought we all understood that.
Davel says something else. He is not agreeing with me.
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its a fact...you cant remember deleteing a post an hour ago...not sure what the problem is.
Wolters has never used the word proof...best stick to fascts not fantasy...thers enough of that on this thraed
I used the word "proof". I never said Wolters said "proof". So you rave on about nothing.
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Wolters has never said he has proof, so why suggest that he has?
From what was quoted by G-unit it appeared to me that Wolters was admitting he didn't have proof that Madeleine was dead. How could he have proof if he says "she could still be alive"?
I'm not saying he said "no proof" but he implied it by what he said IMO.
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If as Wolters admits "Madeleine could still be alive" we need to be observant for reports that she is alive, hence the thread topic is valid.
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An interesting suggestion. But is not Wolters a Prosecutor and not simply a Detective?
If there was any dirt to be dug on Wolters it surely would have been dug by now by those determined to run the investigation down at any cost.
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If there was any dirt to be dug on Wolters it surely would have been dug by now by those determined to run the investigation down at any cost.
So are you picking he is squeaky clean? He looks a decent bloke as far as I can tell.
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So are you picking he is squeaky clean? He looks a decent bloke as far as I can tell.
Faithlilly claims Wolters and Amaral are peas in a pod. If I were Wolters I would sue her for defamation. One thing thst is definitely different is that Wolters has not been fired from the case in ignominy a few short months after getting involved, as for his background, I’m sure if he has a criminal conviction and a track record in lying we would know about it and he would not be in the position he currently holds.
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Faithlilly claims Wolters and Amaral are peas in a pod. If I were Wolters I would sue her for defamation. One thing thst is definitely different is that Wolters has not been fired from the case in ignominy a few short months after getting involved, as for his background, I’m sure if he has a criminal conviction and a track record in lying we would know about it and he would be in the position he currently holds.
... he would NOT be in the position he currently holds.
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... he would NOT be in the position he currently holds.
LOL yes, will amend.
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Faithlilly claims Wolters and Amaral are peas in a pod. If I were Wolters I would sue her for defamation. One thing thst is definitely different is that Wolters has not been fired from the case in ignominy a few short months after getting involved, as for his background, I’m sure if he has a criminal conviction and a track record in lying we would know about it and he would not be in the position he currently holds.
There is not much on the internet about HCW.
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There is not much on the internet about HCW.
Which probably means he’s a quite unremarkable fellow.
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I would say most of the time I do behave in a responsible manner but when it comes to members saying on the forum that I'm lying without them actually proving their case I will give them warning points and delete those posts. Now surely that is the right thing to do.
So even doing that moderator action is responsible IMO and hopefully "responsible" in your view as well.
The post you deleted of mine did not accuse you of lying... It didn't even mention you. You deleted the post as off topic
You then denied you had deleted it... All the posts are still there including your denial
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The post you deleted of mine did not accuse you of lying... It didn't even mention you. You deleted the post as off topic
Because your post did not quote a previous post I could not tell what it related to. I tried to PM you for an explanation and found you had blocked me. I had no option but to delete it. I then saved the text in case you wanted to use the text elsewhere.
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Because your post did not quote a previous post I could not tell what it related to. I tried to PM you for an explanation and found you had blocked me. I had no option but to delete it. I then saved the text in case you wanted to use the text elsewhere.
Why did you deny you had deleted it
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Why did you deny you had deleted it
You were describing a post in such a way I wasn't sure which one you were talking about. So I think the problem is yours.
Once a post is deleted we can't see it anymore so it is just tough cheese at that stage.
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You were describing a post in such a way I wasn't sure which one you were talking about. So I think the problem is yours.
I described it as the post you deleted... I only made one
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You were describing a post in such a way I wasn't sure which one you were talking about. So I think the problem is yours.
Once a post is deleted we can't see it anymore so it is just tough cheese at that stage.
You know the post you deleted.. You said you made a copy of it..so you can see it.. . Why are you now denying it
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I described it as the post you deleted... I only made one
I had deleted a couple by that stage and another moderator may have removed your post. Just because a post is missing you can't point the finger at me. I didn't know which post it was. Had you quoted the text maybe things could have been different. I could not recall the post as you described it.
You know the post you deleted.. You said you made a copy of it..so you can see it.. . Why are you now denying it
That post is still there in a form so I didn't think you were referring to that one. Unless you made it clear at the time it is your problem not mine. I had saved the text, and I think you reused it quoting Eleanor. So what is your problem now?
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I had deleted a couple by that stage and another moderator may have removed your post. Just because a post is missing you can't point the finger at me. I didn't know which post it was. Had you quoted the text maybe things could have been different. I could not recall the post as you described it.That post is still there in a form so I didn't think you were referring to that one. Unless you made it clear at the time it is your problem not mine. I had saved the text, and I think you reused it quoting Eleanor. So what is your problem now?
You said you had saved a copy so you know you deleted my post. Why are you denying it
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You said you had saved a copy so you know you deleted my post. Why are you denying it
I'm not denying anything. http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11876.msg637674#msg637674
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General quoted your off-topic post- http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11876.msg637673#msg637673
In his post is the reference to your post. Had you quoted that I would have known which post you were referring too.
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I'm not denying anything. http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11876.msg637674#msg637674
I had deleted a couple by that stage and another moderator may have removed your post. Just because a post is missing you can't point the finger at me. I didn't know which post it was. Had you quoted the text maybe things could have been different. I could not recall the post as you described it.
your post 15 minsago. im off now...cant be bothered discussing it with you anymore. you know exactly what post im referring to...you deleted it...you even kept a copy...now you are trying to pretend you didnt...
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I had deleted a couple by that stage and another moderator may have removed your post. Just because a post is missing you can't point the finger at me. I didn't know which post it was. Had you quoted the text maybe things could have been different. I could not recall the post as you described it.
your post 15 minsago. im off now...cant be bothered discussing it with you anymore. you know exactly what post im referring to...you deleted it...you even kept a copy...now you are trying to pretend you didnt...
I have reported your post. Any further accusations regarding this and I'll definitely hand out warning points.
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http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11876.msg637682#msg637682 you installed the post in context.
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http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11876.msg637683#msg637683 This a post where there is a link to one of Davel's posts and I didn't delete that one. I would never refer to a deleted post.
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You were describing a post in such a way I wasn't sure which one you were talking about. So I think the problem is yours.
Once a post is deleted we can't see it anymore so it is just tough cheese at that stage.
A deleted post is "tough cheese" only if the required procedures are not followed.
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http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11876.msg637683#msg637683 This a post where there is a link to one of Davel's posts and I didn't delete that one. I would never refer to a deleted post.
There is an appropriate thread for discussion of moderation.
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A deleted post is "tough cheese" only if the required procedures are not followed.
There is an appropriate thread for discussion of moderation.
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Would it not have been easier to pick a random child on the streets?
Maybe she was just a random child picked off the streets?
Madeleine in my theory gets out of the apartment because of too many "strangers" checking out the apartment, but once on the road/footpath, she is unable to get into the Tapas area (possibly the entrance door had been closed) and she was then subsequently randomly picked up by a stranger.
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According to HCW he has concrete evidence Maddie dead and CB murdered her. Some want to ignore that but I think it has to be taken seriously.
I can think of several reasons why it was Maddie that was targeted.
Just because she disappeared why does it follow she was targeted ? unless your line of thinking is the doors were unlocked only at 5a and it was easy picking's.
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Just because she disappeared why does it follow she was targeted ? unless your line of thinking is the doors were unlocked only at 5a and it was easy picking's.
How would anyone know they were unlocked?
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How would anyone know they were unlocked?
From Tasmin Silences evidence and that of two other groups, it seems a man was seen watching the apartment
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From Tasmin Silences evidence and that of two other groups, it seems a man was seen watching the apartment
Looking at the apartment or watching it...two very different things.
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Looking at the apartment or watching it...two very different things.
Well from Tasmins evidence, he was leaning on the garden wall stretching forward and peering in. To me that sounds like watching it.
If you read the files, you will find that several people noticed him watching Apartment 5A
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Well from Tasmins evidence, he was leaning on the garden wall stretching forward and peering in. To me that sounds like watching it.
If you read the files, you will find that several people noticed him watching Apartment 5A
So where do you think he was standing when leaning on the wall?
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Looking at the apartment or watching it...two very different things.
how did the witnesses describe it?
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how did the witnesses describe it?
Video re-enactment https://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/FMW/WITNESS%202.wmv
Tasmin Sillence's statement http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/T_M_S_AGE_12.htm
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This will bring back memories:
Madeleine McCann - Cutting Edge Show 070509 - Tapas 9 Reconstruction https://youtu.be/atfDV7imHHY
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So where do you think he was standing when leaning on the wall?
So it appears he was a little way up the alleyway that was at the back of all the block 4 and 5 apartments.
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From Tasmin Silences evidence and that of two other groups, it seems a man was seen watching the apartment
If I was standing waiting for a lift from a friend to work and I said that I’d meet them at the alleyway I’d probably have a quick nosey into the surrounding apartments, you know just to pass the time.
I think Tamsin Silence was a young girl who was caught up in the thrill of being a witness in one of the most highly publicised cases in history. Of course she only reported what she saw...it was the adults who interpreted that information.
The other sighting of the man was looking up towards the apartments. I’m not sure it can be narrowed down any further than that.
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Video re-enactment https://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/FMW/WITNESS%202.wmv
Tasmin Sillence's statement http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/T_M_S_AGE_12.htm
Well done, Rob for gathering the video clips together. Having looked at them again, I realise that there were 5 sightings of this man watching 5A
1. - Sighting by Tasmin of the man watching from the corner with a pencil attached to a string hanging from his pocket. How observant she was … and how potentially pertinent is that pencil (to take notes, if needed?) hanging by a string from his pocket
2. - Sighting by Tasmin of the man leaning against 5A garden wall peering in
3. - Sighting by a woman with toddler
4. - Sighting by a man and woman together. (this is actually a double sighting)
5. - Sighting by woman in green top coming out of the Tapas reception area, which is immediately across the road from where the man was standing.
Five sightings + plus the sighting by Mrs Tranmer, which describes a man who sounds very similar to Tasmins description. So 6/7 sightings of a man who is suspicious or watching
Anyone here still doubting that this was a thoroughly planned abduction ?
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If I was standing waiting for a lift from a friend to work and I said that I’d meet them at the alleyway I’d probably have a quick nosey into the surrounding apartments, you know just to pass the time.
I think Tamsin Silence was a young girl who was caught up in the thrill of being a witness in one of the most highly publicised cases in history. Of course she only reported what she saw...it was the adults who interpreted that information.
The other sighting of the man was looking up towards the apartments. I’m not sure it can be narrowed down any further than that.
Oh really?
He was seen at five different times. Waiting for a lift to work, was he?
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If I was standing waiting for a lift from a friend to work and I said that I’d meet them at the alleyway I’d probably have a quick nosey into the surrounding apartments, you know just to pass the time.
I think Tamsin Silence was a young girl who was caught up in the thrill of being a witness in one of the most highly publicised cases in history. Of course she only reported what she saw...it was the adults who interpreted that information.
The other sighting of the man was looking up towards the apartments. I’m not sure it can be narrowed down any further than that.
How do you know he was waiting for a lift? How do you know Tasmin Silence was thrilled to be a witness in this case? A couple of gross assumptions on your part there.
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Oh really?
He was seen at five different times. Waiting for a lift, was he?
Why not?
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How do you know he was waiting for a lift? How do you know Tasmin Silence was thrilled to be a witness in this case? A couple of gross assumptions on your part there.
I don’t know that he was waiting for a lift but it is one logical explanation.
As to Tamsin, she was a young girl, young girls love drama. Besides she only reported what she saw, it was the adults who interpreted that information.
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All this of course is off topic which for some reason doesn't seem to matter today
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All this of course is off topic which for some reason doesn't seem to matter today
I think this is very much related to the topic, Davel, because if the abduction was planned, then it wasn't some paedo who happened along and grabbed her on an impulse to do dreadful things to her and probably kill her.
I think that Madeleine was selected for a purpose and having seen the video (now with OG) showing her (99% certainty) in 2012, I think that she is likely to still be alive.
I know that you are convinced by HCWs words, so will not agree with me,
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I think this is very much related to the topic, Davel, because if the abduction was planned, then it wasn't some paedo who happened along and grabbed her on an impulse to do dreadful things to her and probably kill her.
I think that Madeleine was selected for a purpose and having seen the video (now with OG) showing her (99% certainty) in 2012, I think that she is likely to still be alive.
I know that you are convinced by HCWs words, so will not agree with me,
My post yesterday re the abduction was deemed off topic... So if mine was then yours is.
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I don’t know that he was waiting for a lift but it is one logical explanation.
As to Tamsin, she was a young girl, young girls love drama. Besides she only reported what she saw, it was the adults who interpreted that information.
What a horrible sexist stereotype (and if you must insult her, at least get her name right).
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I think this is very much related to the topic, Davel, because if the abduction was planned, then it wasn't some paedo who happened along and grabbed her on an impulse to do dreadful things to her and probably kill her.
I think that Madeleine was selected for a purpose and having seen the video (now with OG) showing her (99% certainty) in 2012, I think that she is likely to still be alive.
I know that you are convinced by HCWs words, so will not agree with me,
You continue with the fallacy that im convinced by HCWs words....stop insulting me and accept you are wrong.on that point. Ive considered stranger abduction by a paedophile the most likely for many years...not just because HCW says he has concrete evidence to support it. HCW simply confirms my thoughts.
I find your theories of bloodlines psychics and snakes quite ridiculous. Ive never shown my views re your bizarre theories before but when you continually imply I beleive in stranger abduction simply because HCW says so I have to answer. Perhaps its about time you became a little more open minded
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What a horrible sexist stereotype (and if you must insult her, at least get her name right).
I was a young girl at one point...I was surrounded by other young girls. I’m speaking from experience. It was not meant to be an insult.
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I was a young girl at one point...I was surrounded by other young girls. I’m speaking from experience. It was not meant to be an insult.
I was a young girl too, I had a much younger sister and I have brought up a young girl too and I disagree that all young girls love drama to the extent that they would be "thrilled" to have to give a police statement in a missing child case. I would have certainly been quite upset and scared by the experience, and would have treated it seriously and not like some sort of TV drama, as I'm pretty sure would my sister and daughter. So, best not to generalise I think.
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I was a young girl too, I had a much younger sister and I have brought up a young girl too and I disagree that all young girls love drama to the extent that they would be "thrilled" to have to give a police statement in a missing child case. I would have certainly been quite upset and scared by the experience, and would have treated it seriously and not like some sort of TV drama, as I'm pretty sure would my sister and daughter. So, best not to generalise I think.
Did I say that the young girl was ‘thrilled’.
I’m not going to play semantics. You have a different experience of young girls from me, that’s fine. We’ll leave the reader to decide which description most fits their experience.
The main point is that the child described what she had seen. The context of what she saw is unknown.
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Did I say that the young girl was ‘thrilled’.
I’m not going to play semantics. You have a different experience of young girls from me, that’s fine. We’ll leave the reader to decide which description most fits their experience.
The main point is that the child described what she had seen. The context of what she saw is unknown.
No sorry you said she would "love" the drama of it, not massively different to thrilled, but obviously an important distinction as far as you're concerned. Happy to set the record straight. We have no evidence whatsoever that Tasmin Silence was loving the drama, nor that the person she saw was waiting for a lift, I think that's certainly a more important point than the semantics.
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No sorry you said she would "love" the drama of it, not massively different to thrilled, but obviously an important distinction as far as you're concerned. Happy to set the record straight. We have no evidence whatsoever that Tasmin Silence was loving the drama, nor that the person she saw was waiting for a lift, I think that's certainly a more important point than the semantics.
We have no evidence what Tasmin thought about being involved in the case. My experience tells me that she’d be excited being involved in such a high profile case, your experience tells you differently. I’ve no problem with that.
Has it been proved that the young girl’s sighting was checking out 5a? No. Then it appears that my scenario of him waiting for a lift has every bit as much validity.
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I was a young girl at one point...I was surrounded by other young girls. I’m speaking from experience. It was not meant to be an insult.
I sensed you were implying that. Tamsin Sillence had more reason than most to notice what was going on at 5A as it was owned and lived in previously by her Grandmother.
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I sensed you were implying that. Tamsin Sillence had more reason than most to notice what was going on at 5A as it was owned and lived in previously by her Grandmother.
Absolutely and I’m sure she reported exactly what she saw....but what did she see? A man in casual clothes looking into 5a. Why he was looking is what we don’t know. Was he simply being nosey? Surely that’s a more rational reason than researching an abduction? Anyway what exactly would he be looking for at that time of the day? What could he have found out?
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Absolutely and I’m sure she reported exactly what she saw....but what did she see? A man in casual clothes looking into 5a. Why he was looking is what we don’t know. Was he simply being nosey? Surely that’s a more rational reason than researching an abduction? Anyway what exactly would he be looking for at that time of the day? What could he have found out?
In New Zealand, the police would have made a public appeal for that person to come forward and give an explanation as to what he was doing there.
So when did Tamsin give her statement to the police and did they publish her e-fit at the time? We think its her e-fit but the sketch did not say it was done by her AFAIK.
Just double checked and her statement was given on the 9th of May. So early, it seems a wasted opportunity to have solved this case.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P3/03_VOLUME_IIIa_Page_800.jpg
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People - her name is Tasmin.
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Tasmin’s description of the man she saw.
‘Concerning the individual, she describes him as being: Caucasian race, light skin, so he wasn't Portuguese, but could be British, according to her criteria. Approximately 180 cm tall, thin complexion, 30/35 years of age. Short hair, like shaved with 1 cm of length and fair, but she isn't sure if it was blonde because the sun was reflecting, and made perception more difficult. She didn't see the eyes because he wore dark glasses of black colour, with a structure of mass, a thick frame. He had a large forehead. Nose of normal size, a bit pointy and sharp. Large ears, close against the head. Mouth with thin lips, she didn't see his teeth. Chin pointing up, which stood out on a face that she describes as sharp. No beard, no moustache, a clean shave. No other special signs, apart from some small pimples on the face as a result of shaving. He looked ugly, even 'disgusting'.
Does that sound like Brueckner and where does she describe his face as ‘pockmarked’ as several have claimed?
She says that she saw the man for the first time around 8.15, exactly the time you’d expect him to be waiting for a lift to work. The second time around noon, lunchtime and seen looking towards the apartments which included 5a.
‘ She started walking up the street on the left side going up, and saw the man, this time in front of the 'Ocean Club's' reception, once more looking at Madeleine's house in an ostensive manner, where he stood he could observe, she thinks, the house's two side windows and part of the balcony. She thinks that he could also be looking at the other residences that are located in the same direction.’
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Tasmin’s description of the man she saw.
‘Concerning the individual, she describes him as being: Caucasian race, light skin, so he wasn't Portuguese, but could be British, according to her criteria. Approximately 180 cm tall, thin complexion, 30/35 years of age. Short hair, like shaved with 1 cm of length and fair, but she isn't sure if it was blonde because the sun was reflecting, and made perception more difficult. She didn't see the eyes because he wore dark glasses of black colour, with a structure of mass, a thick frame. He had a large forehead. Nose of normal size, a bit pointy and sharp. Large ears, close against the head. Mouth with thin lips, she didn't see his teeth. Chin pointing up, which stood out on a face that she describes as sharp. No beard, no moustache, a clean shave. No other special signs, apart from some small pimples on the face as a result of shaving. He looked ugly, even 'disgusting'.
Does that sound like Brueckner and where does she describe his face as ‘pockmarked’ as several have claimed?
She says that she saw the man for the first time around 8.15, exactly the time you’d expect him to be waiting for a lift to work. The second time around noon, lunchtime and seen looking towards the apartments which included 5a.
‘ She started walking up the street on the left side going up, and saw the man, this time in front of the 'Ocean Club's' reception, once more looking at Madeleine's house in an ostensive manner, where he stood he could observe, she thinks, the house's two side windows and part of the balcony. She thinks that he could also be looking at the other residences that are located in the same direction.’
It seems odd to me that a non-local in the centre of a small holiday village would be looking for a lift to work, that just doesn’t ring true to me.
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People - her name is Tasmin.
So it is - Tasmin Milburn Sillence (Double L in Sillence)
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You continue with the fallacy that im convinced by HCWs words....stop insulting me and accept you are wrong.on that point. Ive considered stranger abduction by a paedophile the most likely for many years...not just because HCW says he has concrete evidence to support it. HCW simply confirms my thoughts.
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Davel, I am delighted to see that you have softened your views. My words were not insults because probably well over a hundred times(+) you re-iterated that Madeleine was dead cos CHW said so. I am merely pointing out that he may have ben misinformed by others and have believed them. He seems to have softened his claims recently too.
Good that you are taking this on board.
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Davel, I am delighted to see that you have softened your views. My words were not insults because probably well over a hundred times(+) you re-iterated that Madeleine was dead cos CHW said so. I am merely pointing out that he may have ben misinformed by others and have believed them. He seems to have softened his claims recently too.
Good that you are taking this on board.
did you mean
Good that you are talking this on board. I think I understand what you mean now.
Good that you are taking this on board. OK.
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Davel, I am delighted to see that you have softened your views. My words were not insults because probably well over a hundred times(+) you re-iterated that Madeleine was dead cos CHW said so. I am merely pointing out that he may have ben misinformed by others and have believed them. He seems to have softened his claims recently too.
Good that you are taking this on board.
You seem to have a massive problem.. Speaking for me and telling me what I think... You are quite wrong and you need to stop. I've never said Maddie is dead cos HCW said so...not once . I don't see he's softened his views and I haven't either.
Could you stop telling me what I think.
Afaiac HCW probably has near enough proof Maddie is dead but only strong evidence CB killed her. To be quite honest you are starting to annoy me. As someone imo whos theories are totally laughable you are the last person who should be pontificating.
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did you mean
Good that you are talking this on board. I think I understand what you mean now.
Good that you are taking this on board. OK.
I haven't taken anything on board from Sadie... She's quite wrong
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I find your theories of bloodlines psychics and snakes quite ridiculous. Ive never shown my views re your bizarre theories before but when you continually imply I beleive in stranger abduction simply because HCW says so I have to answer. Perhaps its about time you became a little more open minded
My only theory that I have ventured here is about bloodlines and Historical groups that had connections to pirating and trafficking … and based on these bloodlines and groups what might have happened to Madeleine ( and a select few other children). It was received very badly on here by people who didn't understand the history and who didn't know the links that I have uncovered between my suspect and these groups. I cannot say any more. Sorry.
SY visited Matt James after my showing them his runes which linked with the place that I found Madeleine on a video. Believe this, or not, as you wish.
As for snakes, if you had been bitten by a poisonous snake in your own little suburban back garden with fairly high walls around it, maybe you would read around a bit about them and speak to some authorities about them. One National snake expert (I forget her name) told me that the only poisonous snake in England was the adder. She also said that adders were very shy snakes and would not have come so close to a suburban home (humans) as this snake did. Again, believe me or not. That is up to you.
The theory that was sent to OG was about what happened To Madeleine after the abduction. Where she went and who was behind it all. Virtually nothing about it has been mentioned on here.
You keep saying that you are open minded, but in truth, I think that you are rather set minded. It is good that you have softened your views about Madeleine definitely being dead … and I salute you for that; it can't have been easy modifying your stance after such a long time repeatedly saying otherwise.
Now let's get on with the forum and be part of a team again. Shall we?
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My only theory that I have ventured here is about bloodlines and Historical groups that had connections to pirating and trafficking … and based on these bloodlines and groups what might have happened to Madeleine ( and a select few other children). It was received very badly on here by people who didn't understand the history and who didn't know the links that I have uncovered between my suspect and these groups. I cannot say any more. Sorry.
SY visited Matt James after my showing them his runes which linked with the place that I found Madeleine on a video. Believe this, or not, as you wish.
As for snakes, if you had been bitten by a poisonous snake in your own little suburban back garden with fairly high walls around it, maybe you would read around a bit about them and speak to some authorities about them. One National snake expert (I forget her name) told me that the only poisonous snake in England was the adder. She also said that adders were very shy snakes and would not have come so close to a suburban home (humans) as this snake did. Again, believe me or not. That is up to you.
The theory that was sent to OG was about what happened To Madeleine after the abduction. Where she went and who was behind it all. Virtually nothing about it has been mentioned on here.
You keep saying that you are open minded, but in truth, I think that you are rather set minded. It is good that you have softened your views about Madeleine definitely being dead … and I salute you for that; it can't have been easy modifying your stance after such a long time repeatedly saying otherwise.
Now let's get on with the forum and be part of a team again. Shall we?
You said SY visited Matt James... Do you have any evidence otherwise you are stating your opinion as fact
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My only theory that I have ventured here is about bloodlines and Historical groups that had connections to pirating and trafficking … and based on these bloodlines and groups what might have happened to Madeleine ( and a select few other children). It was received very badly on here by people who didn't understand the history and who didn't know the links that I have uncovered between my suspect and these groups. I cannot say any more. Sorry.
SY visited Matt James after my showing them his runes which linked with the place that I found Madeleine on a video. Believe this, or not, as you wish.
As for snakes, if you had been bitten by a poisonous snake in your own little suburban back garden with fairly high walls around it, maybe you would read around a bit about them and speak to some authorities about them. One National snake expert (I forget her name) told me that the only poisonous snake in England was the adder. She also said that adders were very shy snakes and would not have come so close to a suburban home (humans) as this snake did. Again, believe me or not. That is up to you.
The theory that was sent to OG was about what happened To Madeleine after the abduction. Where she went and who was behind it all. Virtually nothing about it has been mentioned on here.
You keep saying that you are open minded, but in truth, I think that you are rather set minded. It is good that you have softened your views about Madeleine definitely being dead … and I salute you for that; it can't have been easy modifying your stance after such a long time repeatedly saying otherwise.
Now let's get on with the forum and be part of a team again. Shall we?
I'm not part of any team and certainly not part of your team with your ideas that I find absurd. I haven't softened my stance I think it's as good as certain Maddie is dead... And nothing to do with bloodlines
You think I'm set minded... I think you are a ... I hope that's clear now.
Could you stop the ad homs
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It seems odd to me that a non-local in the centre of a small holiday village would be looking for a lift to work, that just doesn’t ring true to me.
Not looking, waiting.
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Not looking, waiting.
Same thing. Dunno why I wrote looking, I meant waiting.
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You said SY visited Matt James... Do you have any evidence otherwise you are stating your opinion as fact
I don't know how Matt was visited; it may have been electronically. I am sorry, but I can no longer find where he Matt claimed this , but it was fairly soon after I had sent the info to OG. You are welcome to have a look for it on his blog, but I will warn you, it is massive and difficult to find your way around. If you doubt me, why don't you contact him and ask?
Again, I say, believe me or not. That is up to you.
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I don't know how Matt was visited; it may have been electronically. I am sorry, but I can no longer find where he Matt claimed this , but it was fairly soon after I had sent the info to OG. You are welcome to have a look for it on his blog, but I will warn you, it is massive and difficult to find your way around. If you doubt me, why don't you contact him and ask?
Again, I say, believe me or not. That is up to you.
So you think its true because matt claimed it...just because he claims it doesnt make it true.
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I'm not part of any team and certainly not part of your team with your ideas that I find absurd. I haven't softened my stance I think it's as good as certain Maddie is dead... And nothing to do with bloodlines
You think I'm set minded... I think you are a crackpot... I hope that's clear now.
Could you stop the ad homs
What ad homs? Have you examined your posts for ad homs against me?
I will leave it for others reading here who may remember how repeatedly you kept reiterating that Madeleine was dead. Because HCW said so.
I am delighted that you now are relaxing this. I am sorry if I am annoying you by challenging you in a quite minor way, but I am not exactly delighted by the things (ad homs) that you have said about me.
Now let it rest, Dave. The whole thing, your anger and insults, is twee, tbh
Go back to fighting with Rob if you are wanting a punch up. @)(++(*
Soz Rob 8**8:/:
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What ad homs? Have you examined your posts for ad homs against me?
I will leave it for others reading here who may remember how repeatedly you kept reiterating that Madeleine was dead. Because HCW said so.
I am delighted that you now are relaxing this. I am sorry if I am annoying you by challenging you in a quite minor way, but I am not exactly delighted by the things (ad homs) that you have said about me.
Now let it rest, Dave. The whole thing, your anger and insults, is twee, tbh
Go back to fighting with Rob if you are wanting a punch up. @)(++(*
Soz Rob 8**8:/:
Its an ad hom to tell me im closed mind. You seem to got a lot wrong. I have never said maddie is dead becasue HCW said so. Im sure im not the only one here who think your ideas are ridiculous.. In fact I know im not.
Im not softening any stance but Im finding you more and more unreasonable and odd.
I dont beleive you were bitten by a snake....I dont beleive you were shot at ...and I dont beleive you have had death threats. Im not calling you a liar I think you believe all this but non eof it happened as you think
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So you think its true because matt claimed it...just because he claims it doesnt make it true.
I agree with that.
However the timing was rather pertinent and Matt would not have known that I had sent this massive theory to SY mentioning his runes. Also Matts references to Lesotho and Fatima (Fatima in Lesotho), which amazingly linked to my suspect. There was another thing too, which I will not mention.
But I do agree, we can't be sure that Matts claim is bonafide … but, because of the timing, I rather think it was.
How amazing that he had found psychic links with Lesotho and I had found material links. &%%6
Lesotho isn't exactly a place that one would link with Madeleine , is it?
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Its an ad hom to tell me im closed mind. You seem to got a lot wrong. I have never said maddie is dead becasue HCW said so. Im sure im not the only one here who think your ideas are ridiculous.. In fact I know im not.
Im not softening any stance but Im finding you more and more unreasonable and odd.
I dont beleive you were bitten by a snake....I dont beleive you were shot at ...and I dont beleive you have had death threats. Im not calling you a liar I think you believe all this but non eof it happened as you think
What constitutes a death threat? Is a message that appears on your screen "Death assured" not threatening enough Davel?
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I agree with that.
However the timing was rather pertinent and Matt would not have known that I had sent this massive theory to SY mentioning his runes. Also Matts references to Lesotho and Fatima (Fatima in Lesotho), which amazingly linked to my suspect. There was another thing too, which I will not mention.
But I do agree, we can't be sure that Matts claim is bonafide … but, because of the timing, I rather think it was.
How amazing that he had found psychic links with Lesotho and I had found material links. &%%6
Lesotho isn't exactly a place that one would link with Madeleine , is it?
I think you are fooling yourself but you are not fooling anyone else...apart from one or two others who are not in touch with reality
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What constitutes a death threat? Is a message that appears on your screen "Death assured" not threatening enough Davel?
No it isnt. It would depend a lot on the context...sadie said she was bitten by a snake...as I suspected she didnt actually see the snake...I think she was mistaken
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We have no evidence what Tasmin thought about being involved in the case. My experience tells me that she’d be excited being involved in such a high profile case, your experience tells you differently. I’ve no problem with that.
Has it been proved that the young girl’s sighting was checking out 5a? No. Then it appears that my scenario of him waiting for a lift has every bit as much validity.
According to her father
“Mr Sillence, 61, told The Sun how his daughter - now 24 - was left haunted by the sighting of the man and remains traumatised to this day.”
Doesn’t seem to me that she loved the drama of it all too much.
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We have no evidence what Tasmin thought about being involved in the case. My experience tells me that she’d be excited being involved in such a high profile case, your experience tells you differently. I’ve no problem with that.
Has it been proved that the young girl’s sighting was checking out 5a? No. Then it appears that my scenario of him waiting for a lift has every bit as much validity.
Furthermore, Tasmin was on her way to school, something she did every day and yet she only saw this man waiting for a lift to work once? Where did he wait for his lift to work on all the other days of his career then? Normally people going to schoolor work follow a pretty set routine, for example I passs the same dozen or so people on my walk to work every single day.
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No it isnt. It would depend a lot on the context...sadie said she was bitten by a snake...as I suspected she didnt actually see the snake...I think she was mistaken
Do you have "white-tailed" spiders in England? We have them in NZ and they get blamed for bites that turned septic but since they are inside your clothing when they bite you never get to see them in the act of biting you.
The White Tailed Spider: Innocent or Guilty? https://youtu.be/1NYJcuUpXQk
IMO they are the most cunning of animals. They know when you are looking at them, and they will run away even before you get near them. It is scary just watching that video.
The same thing will be involved with snakes, they could be that quick you might not see them. Luckily we don't have snakes.
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Do you have "white-tailed" spiders in England? We have them in NZ and they get blamed for bites that turned septic but since they are inside your clothing when they bite you never get to see them in the act of biting you.
The White Tailed Spider: Innocent or Guilty? https://youtu.be/1NYJcuUpXQk
How big is awhite tailed spider...how often are poeple bitten by the spider. I simply dont find much of what sadie says credible
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How big is awhite tailed spider...how often are poeple bitten by the spider. I simply dont find much of what sadie says credible
An adult white-tailed spiders is about 1 inch long, but they crawl over you as you sleep. It is not a nice feeling for if you try and kill it, it will bite you back. They start off as small spiders of course. They don't have a web as they go hunting for prey.
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An adult white-tailed spiders is about 1 inch long, but they crawl over you as you sleep. It is not a nice feeling for if you try and kill it, it will bite you back. They start off as small spiders of course. They don't have a web as they go hunting for prey.
spiders don’t have tails in this country.
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How big is awhite tailed spider...how often are poeple bitten by the spider. I simply dont find much of what sadie says credible
My son was bitten and developed an enormous ulcer.
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Its an ad hom to tell me im closed mind. You seem to got a lot wrong. I have never said maddie is dead becasue HCW said so. Im sure im not the only one here who think your ideas are ridiculous.. In fact I know im not.
Im not softening any stance but Im finding you more and more unreasonable and odd.
I dont beleive you were bitten by a snake....I dont beleive you were shot at ...and I dont beleive you have had death threats. Im not calling you a liar I think you believe all this but non eof it happened as you think
I can do nothing if you cannot accept that you are closed minded. I am glad that you are softening a little and that is true.
I have a photo of my bite; it doesn't look much cos it must have been a small snake. There would be a report at the manor Hospital about giving me an anti tetanus jab, but I don't intend troubling them.
There is an official Police Report on the shooting at my car, which I have never seen. It was given late because my family were over from Canada and we were also rushing to go away on holiday at the time. I gave the report, even late, because I felt that it was my responsibility to inform the police that someone was shooting at cars on the motorway
But because of circumstances, I truly think that my car was the only one ever being shot at.
Unless I have double deleted it, I will have a copy of the death threat email somewhere. It was just in the inbox. IIRC the title of this was "Death is Imminent". I never opened it cos I didn't want anything nasty downloading. Since then and immediately after I started talking about finding "interesting things" at Foral, I got another email that I immediately deleted .(double deleted, I think) I cannot remember the words but it alluded to "if I stop now, they will let me off".
OK, you don't have to believe anything about me. That is OK.
But, someday, maybe you will regret saying these things. That is if you DO regretting at all, but perhaps that isn't you?
Dave let's just get on with trying to help Madeleine and her family. That is what we are here for, isn't it? It is very selfish of us both to take up forum space squabbling. And not particularly good for the "supporters" on here.
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According to her father
“Mr Sillence, 61, told The Sun how his daughter - now 24 - was left haunted by the sighting of the man and remains traumatised to this day.”
Doesn’t seem to me that she loved the drama of it all too much.
Part of the Sun article mentioned above.
‘ She even saw a little girl, believed to be Madeleine, on the balcony being watched by the prowler.
A photofit was made with her description of a fair-haired man with pockmarked face and sunglasses.
But Mr Sillence, who used to own the Praia da Luz apartment where Madeleine holidayed, said cops seemed more interested in an older suspect and the McCanns themselves.‘
Can you see the mistakes?
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I can do nothing if you cannot accept that you are closed minded. I am glad that you are softening a little and that is true.
I have a photo of my bite; it doesn't look much cos it must have been a small snake. There would be a report at the manor Hospital about giving me an anti tetanus jab, but I don't intend troubling them.
There is an official Police Report on the shooting at my car, which I have never seen. It was given late because my family were over from Canada and we were also rushing to go away on holiday at the time. I gave the report, even late, because I felt that it was my responsibility to inform the police that someone was shooting at cars on the motorway
But because of circumstances, I truly think that my car was the only one ever being shot at.
Unless I have double deleted it, I will have a copy of the death threat email somewhere. It was just in the inbox. IIRC the title of this was "Death is Imminent". I never opened it cos I didn't want anything nasty downloading. Since then and immediately after I started talking about finding "interesting things" at Foral, I got another email that I immediately deleted .(double deleted, I think) I cannot remember the words but it alluded to "if I stop now, they will let me off".
OK, you don't have to believe anything about me. That is OK.
But, someday, maybe you will regret saying these things. That is if you DO regretting at all, but perhaps that isn't you?
Dave let's just get on with trying to help Madeleine and her family. That is what we are here for, isn't it? It is very selfish of us both to take up forum space squabbling. And not particularly good for the "supporters" on here.
Perhaps you could just stop your continual criticism of me. Im not softerning at all ...My views havent changed an iota.
I think you are basically imagining a lot of thigs to be true. I'll stick with the very credible HCW who is convinced maddie is dead and leave you to your psychic crackpots.
I am not here to help the McCanns...I'm not part of any team....more things you have imagined
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I can do nothing if you cannot accept that you are closed minded. I am glad that you are softening a little and that is true.
I have a photo of my bite; it doesn't look much cos it must have been a small snake. There would be a report at the manor Hospital about giving me an anti tetanus jab, but I don't intend troubling them.
There is an official Police Report on the shooting at my car, which I have never seen. It was given late because my family were over from Canada and we were also rushing to go away on holiday at the time. I gave the report, even late, because I felt that it was my responsibility to inform the police that someone was shooting at cars on the motorway
But because of circumstances, I truly think that my car was the only one ever being shot at.
Unless I have double deleted it, I will have a copy of the death threat email somewhere. It was just in the inbox. IIRC the title of this was "Death is Imminent". I never opened it cos I didn't want anything nasty downloading. Since then and immediately after I started talking about finding "interesting things" at Foral, I got another email that I immediately deleted .(double deleted, I think) I cannot remember the words but it alluded to "if I stop now, they will let me off".
OK, you don't have to believe anything about me. That is OK.
But, someday, maybe you will regret saying these things. That is if you DO regretting at all, but perhaps that isn't you?
Dave let's just get on with trying to help Madeleine and her family. That is what we are here for, isn't it? It is very selfish of us both to take up forum space squabbling. And not particularly good for the "supporters" on here.
Highly entertaining and informative for non-supporters though. 8(*(
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Highly entertaining and informative for non-supporters though. 8(*(
probably because Ive said what a lot of you think
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<snip> I'll stick with the very credible HCW who is convinced maddie is dead <snip>
I am not here to help the McCanns...I'm not part of any team.. <snip>
Pretty much sums you up, in your own words.
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Pretty much sums you up, in your own words.
I dont have a problem with that.
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I dont have a problem with that.
Good.
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No it isnt. It would depend a lot on the context...sadie said she was bitten by a snake...as I suspected she didnt actually see the snake...I think she was mistaken
I readily admit that I didn't see the snake. It was in a large and dense crocosmus(sp?) plant and I was pulling out a giant weed which broke off three times. After the second break, I thrust my hand down into the middle of it and was immediately bitten.
But a snake expert who was on the spot doing reconstruction work at our house, recognised it was a snake bite after I showed it to him a few hours later. He went out and bare handedly ferked (eek!) around in the plant but it had scarpered.
There was some redness around it and when a physician friend came over from Australia a little while later, I showed it to him. The bite had largely faded but the redness was still there, sort of spreading out. He told me to go straight away and get a special anti tetanus injection. Aparantly tetanus can lie inside the body for weeks multiplying, or gathering strength, before suddenly appearing full blown. Once that happens, you die a very nasty death. I was so lucky that he was over cos I was ignoring the redness.
I also showed the photograph to my Indian Cancer surgeon. She said it was a small snake bite.
Anyway, nobody is interested in this and we are not here to argue, are we Dave?.
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I readily admit that I didn't see the snake. It was in a large and dense crocosmus(sp?) plant and I was pulling out a giant weed which broke off three times. After the second break, I thrust my hand down into the middle of it and was immediately bitten.
But a snake expert who was on the spot doing reconstruction work at our house, recognised it was a snake bite after I showed it to him a few hours later. He went out and bare handedly ferked (eek!) around in the plant but it had scarpered.
There was some redness around it and when a physician friend came over from Australia a little while later, I showed it to him. The bite had largely faded but the redness was still there, sort of spreading out. He told me to go straight away and get a special anti tetanus injection. Aparantly tetanus can lie inside the body for weeks multiplying, or gathering strength, before suddenly appearing full blown. Once that happens, you die a very nasty death. I was so lucky that he was over cos I was ignoring the redness.
I also showed the photograph to my Indian Cancer surgeon. She said it was a small snake bite.
Anyway, nobody is interested in this and we are not here to argue, are we Dave?.
You were not treated for a poisonous snake bite. didnt your snake expert ther eon the day tell you to go straight to hospital...tahts teh correct procedure. I dont beleive you werebitten by a snake....I dont beleive you were shot at and I dont believe youve had death threats. Can we leave it there
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You were not treated for a poisonous snake bite. didnt your snake expert ther eon the day tell you to go straight to hospital...tahts teh correct procedure. I dont beleive you werebitten by a snake....I dont beleive you were shot at and I dont believe youve had death threats. Can we leave it there
Of course we can
So, You don't believe me, therefore, in your eyes, I am either a liar or an idiot. More ad homs …... SIGH
Your thoughts are YOUR problem, Dave, not mine. But they may be if you spread them, so please desist.
PS if I ever stumble across the bite photo or the Police Incident number ( I am very untidy with a mighty mountain of papers, so I might die before I find either) then if I can get my act together, I will send the incident number and the photo to someone whose address I know.
The snake expert could see that I was OK several hours after the bite and no, he didn't suggest that I go to the hospital. My guess is that he has had several bites.
Good to know that we are dropping it here. I will still be supporting you where I can
Ciao!
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Of course we can
So, You don't believe me, therefore, in your eyes, I am either a liar or an idiot. More ad homs …... SIGH
Your thoughts are YOUR problem, Dave, not mine. But they may be if you spread them, so please desist.
PS if I ever stumble across the bite photo or the Police Incident number ( I am very untidy with a mighty mountain of papers, so I might die before I find either) then if I can get my act together, I will send the incident number and the photo to someone whose address I know.
The snake expert could see that I was OK several hours after the bite and no, he didn't suggest that I go to the hospital. My guess is that he has had several bites.
Good to know that we are dropping it here. I will still be supporting you where I can
Ciao!
Hopefully you will desist in calling me closed minded and of blindly supporting HCW... Which is where it all started.
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Hopefully you will desist in calling me closed minded and of blindly supporting HCW... Which is where it all started.
That was pretty close to the truth, wasn't it?
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That was pretty close to the truth, wasn't it?
Rob, that’s a pretty provocative thing to say IMO.
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Rob, that’s a pretty provocative thing to say IMO.
Provocative but true. Even HCW admitted Madeleine could still be alive. Did Davel ever admit that? I tried to get some concept of what they'd imagine her life was like if she was still alive. For then we'd have some idea as to where to look.
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Provocative but true. Even HCW admitted Madeleine could still be alive. Did Davel ever admit that? I tried to get some concept of what they'd imagine her life was like if she was still alive. For then we'd have some idea as to where to look.
Of course Davel has accepted the possibility Madeleine is still alive, he like me thinks that is highly unlikely however.
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Provocative but true. Even HCW admitted Madeleine could still be alive. Did Davel ever admit that? I tried to get some concept of what they'd imagine her life was like if she was still alive. For then we'd have some idea as to where to look.
There are basically 2 options, loving family or sexual abuse - mumsnet or dark web.
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Of course Davel has accepted the possibility Madeleine is still alive, he like me thinks that is highly unlikely however.
I'll let you speak for Davel then, if she is possibly alive in what situation would she be living?
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That was pretty close to the truth, wasn't it?
It's what you and Sadie might think. Is the truth but imo that's because the pair of you haven't really got a clue
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There are basically 2 options, loving family or sexual abuse - mumsnet or dark web.
New word for me "mumsnet", what does that mean?
Something to do with https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/relationships? Or did you just spell another word incorrectly?
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Provocative but true. Even HCW admitted Madeleine could still be alive. Did Davel ever admit that? I tried to get some concept of what they'd imagine her life was like if she was still alive. For then we'd have some idea as to where to look.
Your problem is that you haven't really followed closely what HCW has said. Do you really need me to explain it to you again. I explained using the Rui Pedro case which may well have similarities
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New word for me "mumsnet", what does that mean?
Something to do with https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/relationships? Or did you just spell another word incorrectly?
Thats your problem... Your knowledge is so limited
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It's what you and Sadie might think. Is the truth but imo that's because the pair of you haven't really got a clue
And I'm starting to believe you. Every video I rely on gets removed off the internet. Every post about it removed from the forum. Thread after thread has been deleted. There is something going on that is way beyond me.
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I'll let you speak for Davel then, if she is possibly alive in what situation would she be living?
no idea
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Thats your problem... Your knowledge is so limited
You are just so knowledgeable, aren't you? You live in Mumsnet I suppose.
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There are basically 2 options, loving family or sexual abuse - mumsnet or dark web.
mumsnet is quite dark!
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no idea
That is a bad sign.
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mumsnet is quite dark!
So is it Mumsnet.com That chat room to discuss parental issues?
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You are just so knowledgeable, aren't you? You live in Mumsnet I suppose.
You have got something right.. I am quite knowledgeable
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And I'm starting to believe you. Every video I rely on gets removed off the internet. Every post about it removed from the forum. Thread after thread has been deleted. There is something going on that is way beyond me.
You are starting to sound Sadie
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You have got something right.. I am quite knowledgeable
Because of the time you spend lurking on Mumsnet?
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Because of the time you spend lurking on Mumsnet?
You obviously don't understand mumsnet. I've looked at websleuths... Its quite good with most posters having a similar viewpoint to myself
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You obviously don't understand mumsnet. I've looked at websleuths... Its quite good with most posters having a similar viewpoint to myself
As I said I'd never heard of Mumsnet before today.
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You are starting to sound Sadie
Could it be actually true. Is there a conspiracy working to hide the real facts behind the McCann case?
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Could it be actually true. Is there a conspiracy working to hide the real facts behind the McCann case?
I think you are trying to hide from the real facts. It's quite simple... Stranger abduction followed by murder
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I think you are trying to hide from the real facts. It's quite simple... Stranger abduction followed by murder
We'll never know.
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We'll never know.
Its reasonable to think we will
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Its reasonable to think we will
It will be on the News if it ever happens. I feel I need to spend time on a local case, instead of the McCann case.
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mumsnet is quite dark!
And SO dirty!! I thought it was all wine o'clock and front bottoms. I got a right shock.
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You were not treated for a poisonous snake bite. didnt your snake expert ther eon the day tell you to go straight to hospital...tahts teh correct procedure. I dont beleive you werebitten by a snake....I dont beleive you were shot at and I dont believe youve had death threats. Can we leave it there
The teeth marks were of the type that poisonous snakes have. I understand that non poisonous snakes have completely different teeth without the fangs. These were fang marks. That the snake chose not to envenomate me is my good fortune. Seems that if the prey (me ) is too big to eat, they don't inject poison unless feeling very threatened.
Why don't you check it out?
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The teeth marks were of the type that poisonous snakes have. I understand that non poisonous snakes have completely different teeth without the fangs. These were fang marks. That the snake chose not to envenomate me is my good fortune. Seems that if the prey (me ) is too big to eat, they don't inject poison unless feeling very threatened.
Why don't you check it out?
I thought you were going to give it a rest.. I don't believe a word
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I thought you were going to give it a rest.. I don't believe a word
Moving along.
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Moving along.
Quite
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Quite
It takes two to tango. I'd love to learn though.
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It takes two to tango. I'd love to learn though.
I did some years ago
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I thought you were going to give it a rest.. I don't believe a word
How could I? You kept the wound festering by continually demeaning me.
I have just come on and today you have already had several goes at me. What ever is the problem with you that you can't let things rest?
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How could I? You kept the wound festering by continually demeaning me.
I have just come on and today you have already had several goes at me. What ever is the problem with you that you can't let things rest?
I answerred the posts you made last night at 4 in the morning. Just remeber it was you who in the first place told me I was closed minded and blindly beleived HCW. You then repeatedly made the same slurs towardsme. perhaps you just cant see how rude you are. Prior to that I had never questioned your theories. Why should I suppport someone who wants to make such false statements against me
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I answerred the posts you made last night at 4 in the morning. Just remeber it was you who in the first place told me I was closed minded and blindly beleived HCW. You then repeatedly made the same slurs towardsme. perhaps you just cant see how rude you are. Prior to that I had never questioned your theories. Why should I suppport someone who wants to make such false statements against me
I don't know whether to just let this go, or make a comment.
Have you considered the way that you insisted that Madeleine was dead (at CB's hands), because HCW sad so. This was sometimes several times daily for months If I had to guess, it would be possibly over 200 times and was very predictable
Have you considered the way that I held back and prior to the flare up between us, only said my bit and nicely, just a handful of times.
I cannot understand why you think that I have no rights to express my views.
I had solid reasons, which you have chosen to disbelieve …. and this is a forum FGS. You have announced that I am a liar twice and intimated it several other times. You are very lucky that the accusations have been deleted. But after that, you had the d....t to falsely say that you never called me a liar.
So silly because regular posters and readers will have seen your 'liar' posts about me.
Now please *get off my back*. I guess I shall still support your good posts because I am a team player. Sad you have declared that you are not.
Am PMing you.
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I don't know whether to just let this go, or make a comment.
Have you considered the way that you insisted that Madeleine was dead (at CB's hands), because HCW sad so. This was sometimes several times daily for months If I had to guess, it would be possibly over 200 times and was very predictable
Have you considered the way that I held back and prior to the flare up between us, only said my bit and nicely, just a handful of times.
I cannot understand why you think that I have no rights to express my views.
I had solid reasons, which you have chosen to disbelieve …. and this is a forum FGS. You have announced that I am a liar twice and intimated it several other times. You are very lucky that the accusations have been deleted. But after that, you had the d....t to falsely say that you never called me a liar.
So silly because regular posters and readers will have seen your 'liar' posts about me.
Now please *get off my back*. I guess I shall still support your good posts because I am a team player. Sad you have declared that you are not.
Am PMing you.
I have never said Maddie is dead at CBs hands.. Just because HCW said so. That's a false accusation you've made several times
I have never called you a liar... Another false accusation
Calling you a liar would result in an immediate warning and points.. It hasn't happened... You are imagining it
You are making very little sense but I don't really take much notice of what you post now.. Its all rubbish basically
Please do not PM and please do not telephone me at my surgery or home.. You are becoming a nuisance
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I have never said Maddie is dead at CBs hands.. Just because HCW said so. That's a false accusation you've made several times
I have never called you a liar... Another false accusation
Calling you a liar would result in an immediate warning and points.. It hasn't happened... You are imagining it
You are making very little sense but I don't really take much notice of what you post now.. Its all rubbish basically
Please do not PM and please do not telephone me at my surgery or home.. You are becoming a nuisance
I didn't want to make it public cos it is personal and expressed my concerned feelings for you.
I certainly will not push myself where I am not wanted, but just wanted to help you.
As regards contacting you at home it must be four years ago or more and then only three times, I think. Sorry if you thought that I was a nuisance, but you seemed happy to chat then.
All good wishes to you. I wish you well.
sadie
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I didn't want to make it public cos it is personal and expressed my concerned feelings for you.
I certainly will not push myself where I am not wanted, but just wanted to help you.
As regards contacting you at home it must be four years ago or more and then only three times, I think. Sorry if you thought that I was a nuisance, but you seemed happy to chat then.
All good wishes to you. I wish you well.
sadie
All I would like is for you to stop making false allegations towards me. I have not called you a liar you have imagined it..
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https://mara-gamiel.blogspot.com/search/label/Madeleine%20McCann
Here is Matthew James’ 2020 views on Madeleine.
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https://mara-gamiel.blogspot.com/search/label/Madeleine%20McCann
Here is Matthew James’ 2020 views on Madeleine.
He thinks Madeleine is alive, was taken for a purpose and her parents know who took her. It's all part of some huge conspiracy involving media high-ups and people in Belgium. The mind boggles.
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He thinks Madeleine is alive, was taken for a purpose and her parents know who took her. It's all part of some huge conspiracy involving media high-ups and people in Belgium. The mind boggles.
And he's got the evidence to prove it... His tarot cards
I'm sure SY must have been impressed with him
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And he's got the evidence to prove it... His tarot cards
I'm sure SY must have been impressed with him
Tarot cards require belief in the person who 'interprets' them, which is a step too far for me, you and, hopefully, policemen.
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Tarot cards require belief in the person who 'interprets' them, which is a step too far for me, you and, hopefully, policemen.
If there was even a grain if truth in psychic ability Madeleine would have been found by now.
Another one touted is Brian's Dreams... He offers the winning lottery numbers on his website for a mere 499 dollars.. I wonder how many idiots have fallen for his lies
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If there was even a grain if truth in psychic ability Madeleine would have been found by now.
Another one touted is Brian's Dreams... He offers the winning lottery numbers on his website for a mere 499 dollars.. I wonder how many idiots have fallen for his lies
Charlatans and snake oil salesmen imo.
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https://mara-gamiel.blogspot.com/search/label/Madeleine%20McCann
Here is Matthew James’ 2020 views on Madeleine.
Oh, my word, Anthro!
I wish that I had been able to post that. The mara-gamiel blogspot.
Matt James thinks virtually what I think, it seems. I wonder who said it first, Matt or me? I know I was very early with my thoughts that Breuckner was a patsy/fallguy misused by the perps, but I don't have the energy to check the dates at this moment.
https://mara-gamiel.blogspot.com/search/label/Madeleine%20McCann
Thank you for posting that
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If there was even a grain if truth in psychic ability Madeleine would have been found by now.
Another one touted is Brian's Dreams... He offers the winning lottery numbers on his website for a mere 499 dollars.. I wonder how many idiots have fallen for his lies
That's cheap at half the price.
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Oh, my word, Anthro!
I wish that I had been able to post that. The mara-gamiel blogspot.
Matt James thinks virtually what I think, it seems. I wonder who said it first, Matt or me? I know I was very early with my thoughts that Breuckner was a patsy/fallguy misused by the perps, but I don't have the energy to check the dates at this moment.
https://mara-gamiel.blogspot.com/search/label/Madeleine%20McCann
Thank you for posting that
Do you agree with everything or do you just cherry-pick the bits you like? How about;
Ever since Kate McCann shouted 'THEY'VE taken her'. Meaning individuals known to the McCanns.
Three of Weapons and Eight of Weapons implies connections with her family, and the fact her family probably know who has her and where.
She appears to have been taken for her safe keeping by people known to Gerry McCann. Maybe the abduction story was devised to explain away how MM went missing? But she was not abducted. She was taken to safety by members of an organisation he knew .... that is how it appears.
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Oh, my word, Anthro!
I wish that I had been able to post that. The mara-gamiel blogspot.
Matt James thinks virtually what I think, it seems. I wonder who said it first, Matt or me? I know I was very early with my thoughts that Breuckner was a patsy/fallguy misused by the perps, but I don't have the energy to check the dates at this moment.
https://mara-gamiel.blogspot.com/search/label/Madeleine%20McCann
Thank you for posting that
This is precisely the point I was making. Wolters says he has concrete evidence Maddie is dead but Sadie prefers the views of a psychic who's only evidence is tarot cards. I suppose... Cards dont lie will be the next we will hear. Absolute tripe.
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Do you agree with everything or do you just cherry-pick the bits you like? How about;
Ever since Kate McCann shouted 'THEY'VE taken her'. Meaning individuals known to the McCanns.
Three of Weapons and Eight of Weapons implies connections with her family, and the fact her family probably know who has her and where.
She appears to have been taken for her safe keeping by people known to Gerry McCann. Maybe the abduction story was devised to explain away how MM went missing? But she was not abducted. She was taken to safety by members of an organisation he knew .... that is how it appears.
Wouldn't it need to be something like this for Kate to continue thinking Madeleine is alive.
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Wouldn't it need to be something like this for Kate to continue thinking Madeleine is alive.
I don't think the McCanns believe Maddie is still alive more that it is possible she is alive. I don't see them taking any notice of Tarot cards.
In the link to a mail article from this site there is an interview with the editor of Der Bild.
He says that the German police have a good idea how Maddie died but not where the body is. That fits in with my thoughts on the case
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I don't think the McCanns believe Maddie is still alive more that it is possible she is alive. I don't see them taking any notice of Tarot cards.
In the link to a mail article from this site there is an interview with the editor of Drr Bild.
He says that the German police have a good idea how Maddie died but not where the body is. That fits in with my thoughts on the case
If she is still alive it is most likely she is being looked after rather than abused IMO.
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If she is still alive it is most likely she is being looked after rather than abused IMO.
It would be lovely to have a happy ending but the evidence doesn't support that happenning
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It would be lovely to have a happy ending but the evidence doesn't support that happenning
Let's wait for the evidence so we can see if it really stands up.
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Do you agree with everything or do you just cherry-pick the bits you like? How about;
Ever since Kate McCann shouted 'THEY'VE taken her'. Meaning individuals known to the McCanns.
Three of Weapons and Eight of Weapons implies connections with her family, and the fact her family probably know who has her and where.
She appears to have been taken for her safe keeping by people known to Gerry McCann. Maybe the abduction story was devised to explain away how MM went missing? But she was not abducted. She was taken to safety by members of an organisation he knew .... that is how it appears.
Yes, I have read that …. and as a JOHNson (his mothers side) McCANN and KENNedy, I think that Gerry and Madeleine may well have bloodline connections with the people who abducted her. So we have got Madeleine as coming from St John, the Baptist and from the Canaanites/ Phoenicians bloodlines, Thankyou for confirming those bloodlines, which everyone scoffed at before.
I THINK that the bloodline, or bretheren, may have taken her back, but we don't know this. The question is, if they have taken her back, what do they want her for? We have seen images of Madeleine interacting with her Mum and Dad and there are very obviously no problems there. In fact I think that they are fabulous parents who made a simple mistake. I also think that if they had eaten in, Madeleine would still have been taken, as we have seen has happened to other children on here
It seems Madeleine, for some reason, was wanted, JUST Madeleine … and maybe that is to do with being the first born. I reiterate the MAYBE
And that is what I have tried to delve into before, to much derision from the forum.
I am glad that you are beginning to catch on Gunit. You always seem to have the knack of helping me sort the wheat from the chaff. Thank you.
In my opinion, if this is the case, then if we can unravel the reasons they wanted her, and work out who might have wanted her, then maybe we can help find her.
I appreciate this is all maybes, but with our combined brains and knowledge it might be worth a try.
If we do have a go at unravelling this, I think it should be done in the private sector, and we must be prepared for a fail.
What do you think? 8()-000(
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Let's wait for the evidence so we can see if it really stands up.
Thats exactly what I have suggested... But some want to dismiss it now which is surely silly
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Yes, I have read that …. and as a JOHNson (his mothers side) McCANN and KENNedy, I think that Gerry and Madeleine may well have bloodline connections with the people who abducted her. So we have got Madeleine as coming from St John, the Baptist and from the Canaanites/ Phoenicians bloodlines, Thankyou for confirming those bloodlines, which everyone scoffed at before.
I THINK that the bloodline, or bretheren, may have taken her back, but we don't know this. The question is, if they have taken her back, what do they want her for? We have seen images of Madeleine interacting with her Mum and Dad and there are very obviously no problems there. In fact I think that they are fabulous parents who made a simple mistake. I also think that if they had eaten in, Madeleine would still have been taken, as we have seen has happened to other children on here
It seems Madeleine, for some reason, was wanted, JUST Madeleine … and maybe that is to do with being the first born. I reiterate the MAYBE
And that is what I have tried to delve into before, to much derision from the forum.
I am glad that you are beginning to catch on Gunit. You always seem to have the knack of helping me sort the wheat from the chaff. Thank you.
In my opinion, if this is the case, then if we can unravel the reasons they wanted her, and work out who might have wanted her, then maybe we can help find her.
I appreciate this is all maybes, but with our combined brains and knowledge it might be worth a try.
If we do have a go at unravelling this, I think it should be done in the private sector, and we must be prepared for a fail.
What do you think? 8()-000(
I think that's a whole load of tripe... John the Baptist.. Lol
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I think that's a whole load of tripe... John the Baptist.. Lol
You are a very predictable man, Davel (&^&
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You are a very predictable man, Davel (&^&
I think you are very much mistaken if you think gunit in anyway shares your views. Are you suggesting everyone named Johnson is from the John the baptist bloodline.. Its bonkers. Is there any evidence John the baptist ever existed
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You are a very predictable man, Davel (&^&
You have totally misunderstood gunits post... She is critical of you not supportive
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Yes, I have read that …. and as a JOHNson (his mothers side) McCANN and KENNedy, I think that Gerry and Madeleine may well have bloodline connections with the people who abducted her. So we have got Madeleine as coming from St John, the Baptist and from the Canaanites/ Phoenicians bloodlines, Thankyou for confirming those bloodlines, which everyone scoffed at before.
I THINK that the bloodline, or bretheren, may have taken her back, but we don't know this. The question is, if they have taken her back, what do they want her for? We have seen images of Madeleine interacting with her Mum and Dad and there are very obviously no problems there. In fact I think that they are fabulous parents who made a simple mistake. I also think that if they had eaten in, Madeleine would still have been taken, as we have seen has happened to other children on here
It seems Madeleine, for some reason, was wanted, JUST Madeleine … and maybe that is to do with being the first born. I reiterate the MAYBE
And that is what I have tried to delve into before, to much derision from the forum.
I am glad that you are beginning to catch on Gunit. You always seem to have the knack of helping me sort the wheat from the chaff. Thank you.
In my opinion, if this is the case, then if we can unravel the reasons they wanted her, and work out who might have wanted her, then maybe we can help find her.
I appreciate this is all maybes, but with our combined brains and knowledge it might be worth a try.
If we do have a go at unravelling this, I think it should be done in the private sector, and we must be prepared for a fail.
What do you think? 8()-000(
John is a Christian name not a surmame... Johnson would be son of John....to suggest a bloodline link from Johnson to John the baptist is patently absurd... As are the rest of your supposed links.
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John is a Christian name not a surmame... Johnson would be son of John....to suggest a bloodline link from Johnson to John the baptist is patently absurd... As are the rest of your supposed links.
Rugby legend Barry John might disagree .
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McCann is an Irish surname derived from the Gaelic Mac Cana, meaning "son of Cana". The Cana particle is a personal name meaning 'wolf cub'. According to Irish tradition they are a Milesian people descended from Colla-da-Chrioch, the first king of Airgialla.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCann_(surname)#:~:text=McCann%20is%20an%20Irish%20surname,the%20first%20king%20of%20Airgialla.
There is NO connection between McCann and Canaan
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McCann is an Irish surname derived from the Gaelic Mac Cana, meaning "son of Cana". The Cana particle is a personal name meaning 'wolf cub'. According to Irish tradition they are a Milesian people descended from Colla-da-Chrioch, the first king of Airgialla.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCann_(surname)#:~:text=McCann%20is%20an%20Irish%20surname,the%20first%20king%20of%20Airgialla.
There is NO connection between McCann and Canaan
Ah, so the McCanns are descended from wolves. Now it all makes sense.
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Yes, I have read that …. and as a JOHNson (his mothers side) McCANN and KENNedy, I think that Gerry and Madeleine may well have bloodline connections with the people who abducted her. So we have got Madeleine as coming from St John, the Baptist and from the Canaanites/ Phoenicians bloodlines, Thankyou for confirming those bloodlines, which everyone scoffed at before.
I THINK that the bloodline, or bretheren, may have taken her back, but we don't know this. The question is, if they have taken her back, what do they want her for? We have seen images of Madeleine interacting with her Mum and Dad and there are very obviously no problems there. In fact I think that they are fabulous parents who made a simple mistake. I also think that if they had eaten in, Madeleine would still have been taken, as we have seen has happened to other children on here
It seems Madeleine, for some reason, was wanted, JUST Madeleine … and maybe that is to do with being the first born. I reiterate the MAYBE
And that is what I have tried to delve into before, to much derision from the forum.
I am glad that you are beginning to catch on Gunit. You always seem to have the knack of helping me sort the wheat from the chaff. Thank you.
In my opinion, if this is the case, then if we can unravel the reasons they wanted her, and work out who might have wanted her, then maybe we can help find her.
I appreciate this is all maybes, but with our combined brains and knowledge it might be worth a try.
If we do have a go at unravelling this, I think it should be done in the private sector, and we must be prepared for a fail.
What do you think? 8()-000(
I think you didn't read what James is saying. He says the McCanns knew who took Madeleine and that she was not abducted; they made it up. He says the family probably know who has her and where she is. If he's right the family lied about the abduction and have lied for almost 14 years.
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You have totally misunderstood gunits post... She is critical of you not supportive
She never is supportive, but she has often helped me hone ideas, bless her.
And for that, I thank her.
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She never is supportive, but she has often helped me hone ideas, bless her.
And for that, I thank her.
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Very helpful person. Always smiling.
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I'm getting reports that a Madeleine look-alike is alive. A person on my FB group is saying some interesting stuff that makes it sound like he has identified a girl in his area whom I think he's saying she is Madeleine McCann.
I'm getting scared, as what will happen now? How should I handle this situation?
All the fear evaporated, so I'm to back waiting for any new report that Madeleine is alive .... and I hate waiting.
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Hey General - you were asking:
Any interesting developments on your social media, Rob?
Maybe someone who's seen MM, or a missing person?
Anything really.
It has been very interesting - having a continuing dialogue with Bernhart Fischer. I must admit I have no real idea what he is on about.
But the other day I had a feeling I need to revisit my interest in the Scott Watson case. I joined a group and was banned all within 12 hours. Am I going to be faced with starting my own group? Has that case been discussed here before?
I refer to it here:
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=7544.msg353228#msg353228
And here:
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=10478.msg533825#msg533825
And here:
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11640.msg603538#msg603538
And one of the more significant posts:
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11556.msg595050#msg595050
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11556.msg595050#msg595050
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Hey General - you were asking:
It has been very interesting - having a continuing dialogue with Bernhart Fischer. I must admit I have no real idea what he is on about.
But the other day I had a feeling I need to revisit my interest in the Scott Watson case. I joined a group and was banned all within 12 hours. Am I going to be faced with starting my own group? Has that case been discussed here before?
I refer to it here:
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=7544.msg353228#msg353228
And here:
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=10478.msg533825#msg533825
And here:
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11640.msg603538#msg603538
And one of the more significant posts:
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11556.msg595050#msg595050
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11556.msg595050#msg595050
Perhaps this person is in some way related to Brückner? Fischer been his birth surname i.e Christian Fischer. My opinion.
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Perhaps this person is in some way related to Brückner? Fischer been his birth surname i.e Christian Fischer. My opinion.
I think he would be talking about his relations if that was the case.
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I think he would be talking about his relation if that was the case.
Not necessarily, Rob.
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Not necessarily, Rob.
He mentioned his father. I appreciate your honesty.
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You've been out and about though Sadie. Didn't some of you attend a trial of Tony Bennett, and I'm sure you visited a member who lives in France?
Yep, I attended Tony Bennetts trial, but I combined it with a visit to OG to pass on some papers … and yep, I bumped into two other supporters there but it was not prearranged. In fact the place was filled with skeptics, so there were no seats available for supporters. I read afterwards that it had been pre-arranged that skeptics would fill all the seats preventing supporters getting a seat … and it almost worked.
To the best of my knowledge our side has never done anything dirty like that.
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Some interesting reading for those interested in remote viewing. Ed Dames is the owner of the rvcommunity site. The thread was posted in 2019.
https://www.rvcommunity.net/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=11133&start=75
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Some interesting reading for those interested in remote viewing. Ed Dames is the owner of the rvcommunity site. The thread was posted in 2019.
https://www.rvcommunity.net/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=11133&start=75
Quite fascinating to read.
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Quite fascinating to read.
I found this even more fascinating;
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Ed_Dames
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I found this even more fascinating;
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Ed_Dames
Nearly as good as 'dogs don't lie' 😮
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Some interesting reading for those interested in remote viewing. Ed Dames is the owner of the rvcommunity site. The thread was posted in 2019.
https://www.rvcommunity.net/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=11133&start=75
Dames has spent a lifetime trying to convince people they can mentally leave their bodies and access hidden knowledge.
"The TRV techniques result in an accurate transfer of information from the viewer's unconscious mind into the conscious awareness, before the aware, creative, and analytical part of the mind has time to distort, contaminate, or otherwise interfere with the data flow. The target information is then converted into words or sketches, using only a pen and plain white paper. During this process, the viewer becomes linked directly to the collective unconscious--the Matrix."
In 1993, Dames claimed that he and his team of remote viewers had remotely viewed UFOs landing in the New Mexico desert, which contains colonies of hibernating aliens from a dying planet, and learned that alien-human hybrid children were in existence "not far from Earth". Reportedly, Dames has since denied making these claims.
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Ed_Dames
The man's mad - my opinion. Not harmless though - he sells his peculiar ideas for lots of money, so a snake oil salesman too imo.
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Dames has spent a lifetime trying to convince people they can mentally leave their bodies and access hidden knowledge.
"The TRV techniques result in an accurate transfer of information from the viewer's unconscious mind into the conscious awareness, before the aware, creative, and analytical part of the mind has time to distort, contaminate, or otherwise interfere with the data flow. The target information is then converted into words or sketches, using only a pen and plain white paper. During this process, the viewer becomes linked directly to the collective unconscious--the Matrix."
In 1993, Dames claimed that he and his team of remote viewers had remotely viewed UFOs landing in the New Mexico desert, which contains colonies of hibernating aliens from a dying planet, and learned that alien-human hybrid children were in existence "not far from Earth". Reportedly, Dames has since denied making these claims.
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Ed_Dames
The man's mad - my opinion. Not harmless though - he sells his peculiar ideas for lots of money, so a snake oil salesman too imo.
"The man's mad - my opinion. Not harmless though - he sells his peculiar ideas for lots of money, so a snake oil salesman too imo." Gunit
Do you know what - seldom have I seen a more accurate or apt description of Amaral than that one.👌
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How to kill a topic & virtually extinguish any hope...
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-was-killed-portugal-24116495
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"The man's mad - my opinion. Not harmless though - he sells his peculiar ideas for lots of money, so a snake oil salesman too imo." Gunit
Do you know what - seldom have I seen a more accurate or apt description of Amaral than that one.👌
Oh, I don't think he stands a chance of reaching Dame's level. Here's some more fascinating facts about him;
Ed predicted that "a series of powerful, deadly solar flares" he termed "the killshot" would impact the Earth and wipe out civilization between 2011 and 2013.
When that didn't happen — not wanting to tarnish his self-proclaimed track record of being "amazingly accurate regarding globally recognized disasters and events" — he simply pushed the timeline for the killshot event ahead to the near future and retconned his prediction accordingly.
The catastrophe won't be caused by solar flares after all. Instead, it will be the result of a close encounter with Planet X, which is supposedly on a collision course with Earth.
All the more fertile soil upon which to peddle crank DVDs promising to reveal the mysterious "alien agenda" behind this impending disaster, while also advising the suckers consumers about the location of various "safe places" in the world which they can relocate to in order to avoid extermination.
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Ed_Dames#Predictions
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Is he related to David Icke?
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Oh, I don't think he stands a chance of reaching Dame's level. Here's some more fascinating facts about him;
Ed predicted that "a series of powerful, deadly solar flares" he termed "the killshot" would impact the Earth and wipe out civilization between 2011 and 2013.
When that didn't happen — not wanting to tarnish his self-proclaimed track record of being "amazingly accurate regarding globally recognized disasters and events" — he simply pushed the timeline for the killshot event ahead to the near future and retconned his prediction accordingly.
The catastrophe won't be caused by solar flares after all. Instead, it will be the result of a close encounter with Planet X, which is supposedly on a collision course with Earth.
All the more fertile soil upon which to peddle crank DVDs promising to reveal the mysterious "alien agenda" behind this impending disaster, while also advising the suckers consumers about the location of various "safe places" in the world which they can relocate to in order to avoid extermination.
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Ed_Dames#Predictions
Sounds like another R D Hall
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Sounds like another R D Hall
Is he interested in 'remote viewing'?
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Is he interested in 'remote viewing'?
He believes in alien sbduction.. Alien crop circles... He believes that the Manchester bombing is a fraud and he can prove victims lied using statement analysis.. Perhaps you believe what he says
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How to kill a topic & virtually extinguish any hope...
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-was-killed-portugal-24116495
Indeed, though it's not as if hope has achieved anything.
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Is he interested in 'remote viewing'?
Not remotely.
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Indeed, though it's not as if hope has achieved anything.
Yes, let's start a campaign to abolish hope.
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Indeed, though it's not as if hope has achieved anything.
Well I'll go to the foot of the stairs, its back where it all started , Luz . My outlandish theory to some, is looking even more of a possibility. What can be gleamed from the article posted by Misty is nothing incriminating was found in Germany linking CB to the disappearance.
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Well I'll go to the foot of the stairs, its back where it all started , Luz . My outlandish theory to some, is looking even more of a possibility. What can be gleamed from the article posted by Misty is nothing incriminating was found in Germany linking CB to the disappearance.
Some of us never thought she left Portugal alive in the first place.
Now Wolters thinks the same it would seem.
Of course being a Tabloid report it may all be a load of b/s.
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Well I'll go to the foot of the stairs, its back where it all started , Luz . My outlandish theory to some, is looking even more of a possibility. What can be gleamed from the article posted by Misty is nothing incriminating was found in Germany linking CB to the disappearance.
gleaned. GLEANED. Your outlandish theory remains outlandish and remarkably bonkers if I may say so. Had Bruckner happened upon the corpse of the most sought after child in the world he might have been prompted to reveal what he had seen when there was a million quid reward up for grabs, or do you not think he was in any way motivated by money?
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Well I'll go to the foot of the stairs, its back where it all started , Luz . My outlandish theory to some, is looking even more of a possibility. What can be gleamed from the article posted by Misty is nothing incriminating was found in Germany linking CB to the disappearance.
I don't see any theory involving the parents as a realistic possibility
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Some of us never thought she left Portugal alive in the first place.
Now Wolters thinks the same it would seem.
Of course being a Tabloid report it may all be a load of b/s.
Law of averages say's one will be right, its picking it out which will be the skill.
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Well I'll go to the foot of the stairs, its back where it all started , Luz . My outlandish theory to some, is looking even more of a possibility. What can be gleamed from the article posted by Misty is nothing incriminating was found in Germany linking CB to the disappearance.
Well it's back to the possibility raised by Mark Harrison then;
I am currently of the opinion on the available information and statistical datasets that if death has occurred, that it is possible that Madeleine McCann’s body has been disposed into the sea at Praia da Luz.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARK_HARRISON.htm
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gleaned. GLEANED. Your outlandish theory remains outlandish and remarkably bonkers if I may say so. Had Bruckner happened upon the corpse of the most sought after child in the world he might have been prompted to reveal what he had seen when there was a million quid reward up for grabs, or do you not think he was in any way motivated by money?
What ransom was on offer on the night of 3/05/2007.
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Well it's back to the possibility raised by Mark Harrison then;
I am currently of the opinion on the available information and statistical datasets that if death has occurred, that it is possible that Madeleine McCann’s body has been disposed into the sea at Praia da Luz.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARK_HARRISON.htm
It all go's back to the night of the 3/05/2007, always has been the case, going round in ever decreasing circles to get there imo.
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Well it's back to the possibility raised by Mark Harrison then;
I am currently of the opinion on the available information and statistical datasets that if death has occurred, that it is possible that Madeleine McCann’s body has been disposed into the sea at Praia da Luz.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARK_HARRISON.htm
This report considers solely the possibility that Madeleine McCann has been murdered and her body is concealed within the areas previously searched by Police in Zone 1 around Praia Da Luz.
Wolters may yet be on the same page.
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What ransom was on offer on the night of 3/05/2007.
Who mentioned a ransom?
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Well it's back to the possibility raised by Mark Harrison then;
I am currently of the opinion on the available information and statistical datasets that if death has occurred, that it is possible that Madeleine McCann’s body has been disposed into the sea at Praia da Luz.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARK_HARRISON.htm
Which would rule out anyone without access to a boat IMO
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Who mentioned a ransom?
My bad, reward.
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My bad, reward.
A reward was put up within a few days of the disappearance and yet you think CB saw the body in a bin, took a photograph of it and then decided to forgo any money, fame and fortune that would have resulted in being the guy who solved the mystery?
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A reward was put up within a few days of the disappearance and yet you think CB saw the body in a bin, took a photograph of it and then decided to forgo any money, fame and fortune that would have resulted in being the guy who solved the mystery?
Who mentioned anything about a bin ?
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Which would rule out anyone without access to a boat IMO
Really? Harrison never mentioned that.
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Who mentioned anything about a bin ?
Immaterial - subsitute "bin" for and other hiding place and it does not alter my point.
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Really? Harrison never mentioned that.
Tell me how you would successfully dispose of a body in the sea from PdL without one then - trebuchet maybe?
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Tell me how you would successfully dispose of a body in the sea from PdL without one then - trebuchet maybe?
Harrison said;
The optimum time to throw a body from the top of the diff into the sea would be between 0200hrs and 0400hrs as the sea would be at the cliffs edge.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARK_HARRISON.htm#p9p2255
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Harrison said;
The optimum time to throw a body from the top of the diff into the sea would be between 0200hrs and 0400hrs as the sea would be at the cliffs edge.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARK_HARRISON.htm#p9p2255
Have you seen the cliffs at PdL? They are not sheer and there would be IMO a real likelihood of any body coming to rest before actually reaching the water level. But say you were successful, what work was done on calculating what would happen to a body's whereabouts if dropped into the water at the bottom of the cliff? How long would it take to carry a child's body from the OC to the most convenient part of the cliff for body disposal? What route would you need to take? How would you achieve this on foot in the pitch darkness?
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Harrison said;
The optimum time to throw a body from the top of the diff into the sea would be between 0200hrs and 0400hrs as the sea would be at the cliffs edge.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARK_HARRISON.htm#p9p2255
I believe that boats were available at the OC.
One of those could have been used, clandestinely, or in full view, to take a body a couple of miles out to sea
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Have you seen the cliffs at PdL? They are not sheer and there would be IMO a real likelihood of any body coming to rest before actually reaching the water level. But say you were successful, what work was done on calculating what would happen to a body's whereabouts if dropped into the water at the bottom of the cliff? How long would it take to carry a child's body from the OC to the most convenient part of the cliff for body disposal? What route would you need to take? How would you achieve this on foot in the pitch darkness?
I know Mark Harrison saw the cliffs and he seemed to think it was possible to launch a body from there into the sea. If you read his report he did indeed explain the possible whereabouts of the body thereafter.
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I believe that boats were available at the OC.
One of those could have been used, clandestinely, or in full view, to take a body a couple of miles out to sea
Quite possible, but almost certainly not by Gerry or Kate, certainly not without either of their absences having been noted for several hours that night.
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I know Mark Harrison saw the cliffs and he seemed to think it was possible to launch a body from there into the sea. If you read his report he did indeed explain the possible whereabouts of the body thereafter.
Putting Mark Harrison's observations to one side for a moment - what do you think? Was he referring to these cliffs adjacent to the resort? https://www.google.com/search?q=praia+da+luz+cliffs&safe=strict&rlz=1C1GCEA_enGB811GB811&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjI36_wvc7wAhXv0eAKHQflBg0Q_AUoAXoECAEQAw&biw=1360&bih=625