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News and current affairs => A look at the news stories currently making the headlines. => Topic started by: G-Unit on July 14, 2022, 11:32:15 AM
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I watched the programme about who Mo Farah really is and was fascinated. I totally sympathise with his situation and his reasons for ending up world famous using some else's name. The teacher who spotted his talent changed his life and enabled him to fulfill his potential, and his wife has been a tower of strength too. It's good to know no action will be taken against any of them.
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I watched the programme about who Mo Farah really is and was fascinated. I totally sympathise with his situation and his reasons for ending up world famous using some else's name. The teacher who spotted his talent changed his life and enabled him to fulfill his potential, and his wife has been a tower of strength too. It's good to know no action will be taken against any of them.
I personally haven't read anything about him but his family in Somalia say that he is a liar and has misrepresented them to sell his story.
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I personally haven't read anything about him but his family in Somalia say that he is a liar and has misrepresented them to sell his story.
I haven't seen or heard anything about that, but I imagine there's a certain amount of panic by some who're involved in this story.
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There is a certain sector of British sociey that have used Mo Farah’s revelation as an excuse to push for his deportation. These are not very decent or reasonable people IMO.
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There's no doubt in my mind that Mo Farah deserves to be left in peace.
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There's no doubt in my mind that Mo Farah deserves to be left in peace.
... just like the McCanns. 8((()*/
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... just like the McCanns. 8((()*/
”Oh but if people are vile and racist and hateful towards Mo Farah then he only has himself to blame for talking about the jnjustices he has suffered to the media. And he’s probably made it all up too, for the money”.
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... just like the McCanns. 8((()*/
Talk about obsessive, the real world doesn't revolve around them.
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... just like the McCanns. 8((()*/
I'm not sure what your point is?
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I'm not sure what your point is?
To derail a thread started by you .
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To derail a thread started by you .
Why would a senior moderator want to do that?
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Why would a senior moderator want to do that?
Bit obvious, there's three of them on your case .
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Bit obvious, there's three of them on your case .
Well the two cases have nothing in common, so Myster's comment is completely off-topic imo.
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Well the two cases have nothing in common, so Myster's comment is completely off-topic imo.
The thing they have in common is that Mo Farah and the McCanns are public figures who have received hateful comments from some people for daring to put their heads above the parapet to discuss matters of injustice and victimhood that they have experienced. I think Myster's point was that those individuals have a right to be left in peace and not bullied online by anonymous [ censored word ]s. I may be wrong about his motives of course...
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The thing they have in common is that Mo Farah and the McCanns are public figures who have received hateful comments from some people for daring to put their heads above the parapet to discuss matters of injustice and victimhood that they have experienced. I think Myster's point was that those individuals have a right to be left in peace and not bullied online by anonymous [ censored word ]s. I may be wrong about his motives of course...
I think anyone who sees similarities has a very active imagination.
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I think anyone who sees similarities has a very active imagination.
It requires no imagination at all to recognize that both Mo Farah and the McCanns have been monstered by members of the general public and victim blamed. You kindly suggest we leave Mo Farah in peace, yet appear to have no problem with personal attacks on the McCanns.
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It requires no imagination at all to recognize that both Mo Farah and the McCanns have been monstered by members of the general public and victim blamed. You kindly suggest we leave Mo Farah in peace, yet appear to have no problem with personal attacks on the McCanns.
I can see some similarities between Mo Farah and Madeleine McCann. Both were helpless children, were not adequately protected by their families, and had crmes committed against them.
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I can see some similarities between Mo Farah and Madeleine McCann. Both were helpless children, were not adequately protected by their families, and had crmes committed against them.
You requested that Mo Farah be left in peace to get on with his life, do you think the same applies to Madeleine? Do you not think the McCanns have a similar right?
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You requested that Mo Farah be left in peace to get on with his life, do you think the same applies to Madeleine? Do you not think the McCanns have a similar right?
I'm not interested. This thread is about Mo Farah, not the McCann case. Please stop deflecting.
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I'm not interested. This thread is about Mo Farah, not the McCann case. Please stop deflecting.
What more do you wish to discuss about Mo Farah then? I suspect that without mine and Myster’s input into this thread it would have died after 3 posts.
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What more do you wish to discuss about Mo Farah then? I suspect that without mine and Myster’s input into this thread it would have died after 3 posts.
Due to his talent and his luck in attracting a mentor Mo Farah has ended up in a good place, although he'll always have baggage imo. I dread to think how many other children have not been so fortunate.
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Due to his talent and his luck in attracting a mentor Mo Farah has ended up in a good place, although he'll always have baggage imo. I dread to think how many other children have not been so fortunate.
Untold numbers of children from all sorts of backgrounds and with all kinds of baggage have not had their talent nutured in countless fields of endeavour as a result of the lack of support, funding, mentoring, opportunity. There’s no point lamenting what might have been. I could have been a top film and video director if only someone had recognised my skills and talent and given me chance within the industry. It never happened. Life panned out differently. No regrets. Anything else you wish to discuss specifically about Mo Farah?
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Untold numbers of children from all sorts of backgrounds and with all kinds of baggage have not had their talent nutured in countless fields of endeavour as a result of the lack of support, funding, mentoring, opportunity. There’s no point lamenting what might have been. I could have been a top film and video director if only someone had recognised my skills and talent and given me chance within the industry. It never happened. Life panned out differently. No regrets. Anything else you wish to discuss specifically about Mo Farah?
I was thinking about children who have been trafficked, used and not saved, not about someone who didn't get the career they think they deserved.
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I was thinking about children who have been trafficked, used and not saved, not about someone who didn't get the career they think they deserved.
So there’s nothing more you wish to discuss specifically about Mo Farah? Oh dear, short thread.
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So there’s nothing more you wish to discuss specifically about Mo Farah? Oh dear, short thread.
No, I'm happy to leave it there, not every thread is long.
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No, I'm happy to leave it there, not every thread is long.
One more thing before we leave the thread to its untimely death and out of interest - as you are someone of a sceptical bent, may I ask why you appear to have chosen to believe Mo Farah (who has hitherto lied about his background) uncritically?
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One more thing before we leave the thread to its untimely death and out of interest - as you are someone of a sceptical bent, may I ask why you appear to have chosen to believe Mo Farah (who has hitherto lied about his background) uncritically?
His story is independently corroberated. As far as he was aware the authorities knew the whole story and had no problem with it. They allowed him to become a British citizen and gave him a passport. His real identity was his business, therefore, and he chose not to disclose it. Instead, as his fame grew, he made up a cover story. I can understand this traumatised child being reluctant to find himself embroiled in a discussion about his past instead of his achievements.
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Mo Farah, or whatever his real name is, is an illegal immigrant criminal & should be fined for identity fraud then deported.
I note that the CPS & whoever the hell else are taking absolutely no action against him, even though he is a criminal.
With this in mind I expect fair treatment, when I murder an illegal immigrant I don't think I should face prosecution for it.
If Mo Farah can just break the law without consequence then so can I.
I think that's only fair.
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Seriously, do we just get to pick & choose which laws apply to us now?
Can I just waltz across the border of any country I want & assume a false identity, then deprive the native long distance runners of employment?
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His story is independently corroberated. As far as he was aware the authorities knew the whole story and had no problem with it. They allowed him to become a British citizen and gave him a passport. His real identity was his business, therefore, and he chose not to disclose it. Instead, as his fame grew, he made up a cover story. I can understand this traumatised child being reluctant to find himself embroiled in a discussion about his past instead of his achievements.
If he was aware that the authorities knew the whole story and had no problem with it why did he also claim to be living in fear of deportation and of his very recent relief to learn that he would not?
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/sir-mo-farah-relieved-home-27472113. Who has actually independently corroborated his version of events to your satisfaction? Does telling a lie to get out of a tricky situation or living a lie for many years mean that someone is fundamentally a dishonest person?
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If he was aware that the authorities knew the whole story and had no problem with it why did he also claim to be living in fear of deportation and of his very recent relief to learn that he would not?
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/sir-mo-farah-relieved-home-27472113. Who has actually independently corroborated his version of events to your satisfaction? Does telling a lie to get out of a tricky situation or living a lie for many years mean that someone is fundamentally a dishonest person?
He learned when he started to share his story that strictly speaking his citizenship was obtained by deception. As he was a child at the time the Home Office won't act against him. His life changed after he confided in his PE teacher, who knew his background and helped him become a citizen. They did tell the authorities at the time that he was not actually Mo Farah.
I believe his story and I don't think he's a dishonest person, he's a victim of circumstance.
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He learned when he started to share his story that strictly speaking his citizenship was obtained by deception. As he was a child at the time the Home Office won't act against him. His life changed after he confided in his PE teacher, who knew his background and helped him become a citizen. They did tell the authorities at the time that he was not actually Mo Farah.
I believe his story and I don't think he's a dishonest person, he's a victim of circumstance.
In other words you are giving him the benefit of the doubt, which is IMO the kind thing to do. Others however are being less kind. It’s a shame that there is this pernicious need by some to immediately jump to suspicious conclusions about people who unwittingly find themselves in the news because of tragic or unfortunate circumstances and then to spend so much of their time voicing these often quite unfounded suspicions online. I guess that’s the darker side of human nature.
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In other words you are giving him the benefit of the doubt, which is IMO the kind thing to do. Others however are being less kind. It’s a shame that there is this pernicious need by some to immediately jump to suspicious conclusions about people who unwittingly find themselves in the news because of tragic or unfortunate circumstances and then to spend so much of their time voicing these often quite unfounded suspicions online. I guess that’s the darker side of human nature.
Everyone reacts differently and for reasons of their own.
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Everyone reacts differently and for reasons of their own.
Thanks for stating the obvious, I wouldn’t have known this otherwise.
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Thanks for stating the obvious, I wouldn’t have known this otherwise.
You see certain people's posts as demonstrating signs of the darker side of human nature. I don't know if that's true because I don't think someone's real character can be known by reading their online posts. I find the sentiments expressed and the language used in this article in a national newapaper completely revolting, for example;
OH, UP YOURS, SENOR https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/oh-up-yours-senor-516864
I suspect the person who wrote it isn't very nice, but perhaps s/he has a nicer attitude in real life.
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You see certain people's posts as demonstrating signs of the darker side of human nature. I don't know if that's true because I don't think someone's real character can be known by reading their online posts. I find the sentiments expressed and the language used in this article in a national newapaper completely revolting, for example;
OH, UP YOURS, SENOR https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/oh-up-yours-senor-516864
I suspect the person who wrote it isn't very nice, but perhaps s/he has a nicer attitude in real life.
@)(++(*. Well look who’s bringing the McCann case back into the discussion, whod’a thunk it?!
At least the journalist in question had the balls to put her name to her “revolting” article, I was referring more to the anonymous hate mobs that target people like Mo Farah (and the McCanns) and accuse them of committing criminal acts from a position of supreme ignorance. I’m very surprised (not) that you were unable to find any examples of the sort of hateful online chatter I was referring to.
Also, everyone has a darker side to their nature, even saintly little old you! Some are more successful than others at keeping it under control however…
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@)(++(*. Well look who’s bringing the McCann case back into the discussion, whod’a thunk it?!
At least the journalist in question had the balls to put her name to her “revolting” article, I was referring more to the anonymous hate mobs that target people like Mo Farah (and the McCanns) and accuse them of committing criminal acts from a position of supreme ignorance. I’m very surprised (not) that you were unable to find any examples of the sort of hateful online chatter I was referring to.
Also, everyone has a darker side to their nature, even saintly little old you! Some are more successful than others at keeping it under control however…
I saw no name on that article, although it was on the original one published on 19/10/07.
http://themaddiecasefiles.com/oh-up-yours-senor-tony-parsons-daily-mirror-19-10--t2347.html
As you will see, no females were involved in the production of the hateful piece which attracted the most complaints in 2007 to the Press Complaints Commission.
So you object to anonymity, although you post anonymously. The rest of your objections are just your opinions; that people are motivated by 'hate' and are ignorant.
I don't bother trawling the internet looking for hateful online chatter like you seem to. Why would I bother?
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I saw no name on that article, although it was on the original one published on 19/10/07.
http://themaddiecasefiles.com/oh-up-yours-senor-tony-parsons-daily-mirror-19-10--t2347.html
As you will see, no females were involved in the production of the hateful piece which attracted the most complaints in 2007 to the Press Complaints Commission.
So you object to anonymity, although you post anonymously. The rest of your objections are just your opinions; that people are motivated by 'hate' and are ignorant.
I don't bother trawling the internet looking for hateful online chatter like you seem to. Why would I bother?
I didn't have to look, it just presented itself. In spades. Same as with the recent Mo Farah revelations. You must have a supremely effective pair of blinkers on when you scour the internet looking for information on cases that interest you if you have never encountered "the worst of the human psyche, electronically unleashed", that's all I can say. And no, I don't object to anonymity per se, but I reckon the people I'm referring to would have a lot less to say about Mo Farah, the McCanns and anyone else they mercilessly rip to shreds day in day out if they were forced to publish under their own names. And yes, I would have thought twice about ever getting involved in online discussions with the hate mob if I'd had to post under my own name, for fear of reprisals by them in real life. And yes, they are my opinions, which let's not forget are equally as valid as yours. 8)--))
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I didn't have to look, it just presented itself. In spades. Same as with the recent Mo Farah revelations. You must have a supremely effective pair of blinkers on when you scour the internet looking for information on cases that interest you if you have never encountered "the worst of the human psyche, electronically unleashed", that's all I can say. And no, I don't object to anonymity per se, but I reckon the people I'm referring to would have a lot less to say about Mo Farah, the McCanns and anyone else they mercilessly rip to shreds day in day out if they were forced to publish under their own names. And yes, I would have thought twice about ever getting involved in online discussions with the hate mob if I'd had to post under my own name, for fear of reprisals by them in real life. And yes, they are my opinions, which let's not forget are equally as valid as yours. 8)--))
The difference being that I don't decide a person's worth by reading their online posts. A lot of people make online posts which I wouldn't make, and I include in those any which launch online attacks on anyone else, no matter who does it or how they seek to justify it. So I don't approve of attacks on Mo Farah, the McCanns, Mr Bennett, Sonia Poulton, Richard D Hall, Martin Grime or anyone whatsoever. It's unacceptable no matter who does it imo.
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The difference being that I don't decide a person's worth by reading their online posts. A lot of people make online posts which I wouldn't make, and I include in those any which launch online attacks on anyone else, no matter who does it or how they seek to justify it. So I don't approve of attacks on Mo Farah, the McCanns, Mr Bennett, Sonia Poulton, Richard D Hall, Martin Grime or anyone whatsoever. It's unacceptable no matter who does it imo.
Which brings us back to Myster's post on page one which you cannot fail to agree with, if you are actually sincere in what you write. Mo Farah deserves to be left in peace, as do the McCanns. Incidentally your implication is that I have decided on people's worth based on reading their online posts. No, I decide on the worth of their posts, some of which reflect rather badly on the authors IMO. I'm sure in real life these people are all absolute darlings who wouldn't say boo to a goose, real upstanding citizens who ooze loveliness and reasonableness at all times (when not hammering out hate on the internet for their own amusement).
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Which brings us back to Myster's post on page one which you cannot fail to agree with, if you are actually sincere in what you write. Mo Farah deserves to be left in peace, as do the McCanns. Incidentally your implication is that I have decided on people's worth based on reading their online posts. No, I decide on the worth of their posts, some of which reflect rather badly on the authors IMO. I'm sure in real life these people are all absolute darlings who wouldn't say boo to a goose, real upstanding citizens who ooze loveliness and reasonableness at all times (when not hammering out hate on the internet for their own amusement).
As you confirm, you take it upon yourself to judge others based upon your opinion of their posts.
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As you confirm, you take it upon yourself to judge others based upon your opinion of their posts.
I confirm that I have an opinion of their posts, some of which reflect badly on them IMO. You of course wouldn’t dream of having any opinion of my posts, nor of me, being as you are so completely unjudgmental (except when you’re handing out warning points of course) @)(++(*