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Alleged Miscarriages of Justice => Luke Mitchell and the murder of his teenage girfriend Jodi Jones on 30 June 2003. => Topic started by: faithlilly on April 13, 2023, 09:38:47 AM
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PROFESSOR DAVID WILSON
Luke Mitchell should never have been charged, let alone convicted
12 hrs ago
CRIME
By David Wilson
Professor of Criminology
I’ve never needed to be convinced that miscarriages of justice happen in Scotland.
I even wrote a book - Signs of Murder - about one such miscarriage that occurred after the murder of a young woman called Margaret McLaughlin in Carluke in July 1973. In that case the police “fitted up” a local man called George Beattie, who was a bit “soft”, enjoyed train spotting as a hobby and had a below average IQ. During his fourth police interview George would go on to give what I described as a “pseudo-confession”, in which he claimed that Margaret had been stabbed by men wearing tall hats with mirrors on them, and that he had been forced
In Signs of Murder I even recount tracking down the person I believe to have been more likely to have been Margaret’s killer and report a tense exchange that I had with him on his doorstep. He wasn’t pleased.
The publication of the book led to questions being asked in the Scottish parliament and raising hopes that George, at long last, might get exonerated for a crime that he most certainly did not commit.
However, slowly and silently, the Scottish judicial system clearly decided that George had served his sentence and so what was the point of re-opening old wounds and owning up to a collective failure of having got Margaret’s murder investigation and then George’s criminal prosecution so disastrously wrong.
I knew about Margaret’s murder because it happened in the town where I once lived, and two of my sisters still call Carluke home. I left to go to university and so all of my career has been in England. I really don’t know too much about Scottish cases – unless they come to be featured in Crime Files, which I present for BBC Scotland, or they have something about them which means they get covered south of the border. Crime reporting still tends to be regional, rather than national and even the story of “Bible John” is barely known in England.
However, at a public talk that I gave last December I was asked a question about Luke Mitchell, who had been convicted in 2005 for the murder of his girlfriend Jodi Jones, after her body had been found in woodland near Dalkeith in Midlothian in 2003. I can’t remember my exact reply, but I said that I knew the case was controversial and that it generated heated debate as Luke has never admitted his guilt even after nearly 20 years in prison, although Jodi’s family remain convinced that he’s the culprit. I had also become more aware of the case, I said, because I had viewed some of a two-part documentary on Channel 5 called Murder in a Small Town. However, such was the pressure of work, I hadn’t managed to watch the second episode.
Over the last few months, prompted by several emails I have at last been able to devote time to look more fully at Luke Mitchell’s case, and what I’ve seen gives me cause for concern. What happened to Luke almost echoes all the mistakes that took place within the investigation, trial and conviction of George Beattie and so my fear is that Jodi’s killer has never been caught and punished at all.
It took me two years to research and write Signs of Murder and even then I wasn’t privy to all of the materials that would normally have been made available to me if I had been conducting an official investigation. The same holds true for what I’ve been able to read and analyse about Jodi’s murder, and nor have I devoted two years to come to a conclusion. However, I have been able to: read transcripts from Luke’s trial; consult various appeals that were made on his behalf; looked at a range of newspaper commentary (some of which supported his conviction); watched Murder in a Small Town and also part of the Trials that Shocked Scotland series; listened to a podcast about the case – which also devoted most of an episode to Luke Mitchell speaking from prison (and he clearly is an intelligent man); and delved into some social media – which I can assure you is not for the faint-hearted.
So this range of materials can hardly be described as “definitive”. Nor have I been able to look at any surviving forensic evidence – there was none in George’s case – and, if press reports are to be believed, in the wake of the screening of the Channel 5 documentary, all of this was going to be destroyed in Luke’s case, until his solicitors stepped in to prevent its destruction.
However, even accepting that I could not access all of the materials I would have wanted, there is literally nothing – nothing - I could uncover that warranted Luke even being charged with Jodi’s murder, never mind being sent to trial. Instead there seemed to be a concerted press campaign to damage his character which served to support the police’s actions, and in much the same way that George’s reputation got tarnished by his pseudo-confession – he’s alluding to the pop group Slade with his reference to men wearing tall hats with mirrors on them – Luke gets similar treatment but this time it’s the American goth-rocker Marilyn Manson that’s harnessed to do the damage. There is no forensic evidence whatsoever to connect Luke to Jodi’s murder, despite the horrifying way in which she was killed. As with George, there were no “signs of murder” on his person, and nor is it true that his clothing was destroyed by his mother after the event. Witness testimony is weak, inconsistent and more than likely wrong, and about the only thing that I could see that needed to be investigated more fully was his part in the initial discovery of Jodi’s body. However, this was not just a case of circumstantial evidence leading to a conviction, but one of literally no evidence at all.
Nothing has happened as far as George Beattie’s miscarriage is concerned and my fear is that nothing will happen about Luke Mitchell’s either. The Scottish Criminal Justice System never seems keen to admit to its mistakes but, as I have always argued, a judicial system cannot call itself mature and civilised unless it’s prepared to hold its hands up and admit when it gets things wrong.
And that’s what they did in Luke Mitchell’s case – it got things wrong, and so for me Jodi’s killer is still to be brought to justice.
Professor David Wilson is emeritus professor of criminology at Birmingham City University
More about David Wilson here.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Wilson_(criminologist)
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The great man has spoken. Much like the other "leading criminologist" concerned with this closed case, it's just an opinion and won't do anything legally to get the killer out of jail. Might sell some tickets for his book tour though to keep him in silk handkerchiefs.
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The great man has spoken. Much like the other "leading criminologist" concerned with this closed case, it's just an opinion and won't do anything legally to get the killer out of jail. Might sell some tickets for his book tour though to keep him in silk handkerchiefs.
I thought that you were a fan.
“ Even Prof. David Wilson isn't quite so high fallutin' and he is employed by a University”
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DROPPING SOON - Could David Wilson ‘Suffer’ From Hybristophilia? (Part 176)
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/13/killer-luke-mitchell-could-david-wilson-suffer-from-hybristophilia-part-176/
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I thought that you were a fan.
“ Even Prof. David Wilson isn't quite so high fallutin' and he is employed by a University”
To damn with faint praise perhaps. He is my second least favourite criminilogist but again his opinion won't help LM.
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To damn with faint praise perhaps. He is my second least favourite criminilogist but again his opinion won't help LM.
No one’s opinion will so it’s rather a moot point. What Professor Wilson speaking out does do is bring many years of professional experience of criminality and criminals to the debate. Chris Mullins speaking out against the convictions of the Birmingham Six or Paul Foot likewise for the Bridgewater Three progressed the men’s cases, at first, not a millimetre forward but what it did do was bring the deficiencies in the cases to the public’s notice and with it, eventually, an unsustainable pressure for justice that the authorities couldn’t ignore.
I once met Michael Hickey’s mum, Anne Whelan, at a conference run by Liberty. She was a courageous women, calm and measured, who never gave up fighting for her son even when the world called him ‘monster’. She, but more importantly, her son was vindicated in the end. I hope Corrine Mitchell lives long enough to see her son freed too.
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No one’s opinion will so it’s rather a moot point. What Professor Wilson speaking out does do is bring many years of professional experience of criminality and criminals to the debate. Chris Mullins speaking out against the convictions of the Birmingham Six or Paul Foot likewise for the Bridgewater Three progressed the men’s cases, at first, not a millimetre forward but what it did do was bring the deficiencies in the cases to the public’s notice and with it, eventually, an unsustainable pressure for justice that the authorities couldn’t ignore.
I once met Michael Hickey’s mum, Anne Whelan, at a conference run by Liberty. She was a courageous women, calm and measured, who never gave up fighting for her son even when the world called him ‘monster’. She, but more importantly, her son was vindicated in the end. I hope Corrine Mitchell lives long enough to see her son freed too.
Have you actually read about the numerous crimes of Michael Hickey? He was a monster! A vile specimen that deserved to be locked up for a very long time.
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Have you actually read about the numerous crimes of Michael Hickey? He was a monster! A vile specimen that deserved to be locked up for a very long time.
David Wilson did a TV show whereby he/and the producers/editors attempted to pretend convicted killer Bert Spencer was responsible for the so called ‘Bridgewater fours’ murder of Carl Bridgewater
Michael Hickey (who confessed to Carl Bridgewater’s murder) should never have been released from prison!
And how he only got a suspended prison sentence with a murder conviction already under his belt - was a joke
Http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/carl-bridgewater-michael-hickey-robbery-15350011
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David Wilson did a TV show whereby he/and the producers/editors attempted to pretend convicted killer Bert Spencer was responsible for the so called ‘Bridgewater fours’ murder of Carl Bridgewater
Michael Hickey (who confessed to Carl Bridgewater’s murder) should never have been released from prison!
And how he only got a suspended prison sentence with a murder conviction already under his belt - was a joke
Http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/carl-bridgewater-michael-hickey-robbery-15350011
You do understand that his murder conviction was quashed, don’t you?
Further Michael Hickey did not confess to the murder. Vincent, his cousin, implicated him and another man, Pat Molloy, who also confessed. Both confession were later withdrawn.
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https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/tv-crime-expert-claims-jodi-26683191
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You do understand that his murder conviction was quashed, don’t you?
Further Michael Hickey did not confess to the murder. Vincent, his cousin, implicated him and another man, Pat Molloy, who also confessed. Both confession were later withdrawn.
Really? Sounds familiar. If only Leonor Cipriano had had such a corageous, calm and measured mother as this little angel’s perhaps she too could have had her sentence quashed, especially as there was no forensic evidence of her involvement in any crime.
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DAVID WILSON
However, I have been able to: read transcripts from Luke’s trial
What transcripts?
Has David Wilson told a bare faced lie here?
Or did Sandra Lean email him a couple of transcripts?
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DAVID WILSON
what I described as a “pseudo-confession”, in which he claimed that Margaret had been stabbed by men wearing tall hats with mirrors on them, and that he had been forced
Did anyone watch Peter Hill’s nonsense on the ‘men wearing tall hats with mirrors on them’
*&^^&
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DAVID WILSON
It took me two years to research and write Signs of Murder and even then I wasn’t privy to all of the materials that would normally have been made available to me if I had been conducting an official investigation
He sounds like Sandra Lean or vice versa
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DAVID WILSON
I really don’t know too much about Scottish cases – unless they come to be featured in Crime Files
He most dedinately knew about Jodi Jones killers case/campaign in 2021
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DAVID WILSON
However, I have been able to: read transcripts from Luke’s trial;
What transcripts?
Has David Wilson told a bare faced lie here?
Or did Sandra Lean email him a couple of transcripts?
I’m of the opinion she didn’t
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What transcripts?
Has David Wilson told a bare faced lie here?
Or did Sandra Lean email him a couple of transcripts?
I’m sure he has his sources.
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I’m sure he has his sources.
He might attempt to give that impression but it’s highly unlikely
Unless Sandra Lean emailed him some of what she has
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DROPPING SOON..
Could David Wilson ‘Suffer’ From Hybristophilia? (Part 176)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/13/killer-luke-mitchell-could-david-wilson-suffer-from-hybristophilia-part-176/
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What a fraud David Wilson is
He’s fooled a lot of people, hasn’t he….from the Prison Service to Birmingham University. He was the youngest prison governor in the country, has advised many police forces and is a former Chair of the Commission on English Prisons…but he doesn’t fool you does he, the woman who couldn’t spot a murderer when she was actually married to him.
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He most dedinately knew about Jodi Jones killers case/campaign in 2021
‘Too much’…not anything.
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DAVID WILSON
However, slowly and silently, the Scottish judicial system clearly decided that George had served his sentence and so what was the point of re-opening old wounds and owning up to a collective failure of having got Margaret’s murder investigation and then George’s criminal prosecution so disastrously wrong.
This case/campaign has all the hallmarks of the innocence fraud phenomenon NOT the ‘miscarriage of justice’ phenomenon
And why it was so predictable that David Wilson would eventually come out in support of Jodi Jones sadistic killer
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‘Too much’…not anything.
I know what he wrote
I also know he’s another gaslighter & psychological manipulator
IMO
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I know what he wrote
I also know he’s another gaslighter & psychological manipulator
I’d be careful if I was you. I hear he’s quite litigious.
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DAVID WILSON
until his solicitors
Who are these solicitors ?
Only one solicitor would be required to instruct Roddy Dunlop
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I’d be careful if I was you. I hear he’s quite litigious.
Lol
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DAVID WILSON
Nothing has happened as far as George Beattie’s miscarriage is concerned
Because , IMO, it’s yet another example of the innocence fraud phenomenon
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His desperation is palpable
How anyone takes this creepy and fraudulent moron seriously is beyond me
But they do….you…not so much.
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I also don’t view David Wilson to be a ‘proper’ criminologist
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I also don’t view David Wilson to be a ‘proper’ criminologist
I don’t think anyone cares.
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I don’t think anyone cares.
People should care
Especially girls/women
The man is dangerous
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https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/crime/jodi-jones-killer-still-at-large-and-luke-mitchell-wrongly-convicted-of-her-murder-says-tv-crime-expert-4103239
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https://youtu.be/aFli-cfAjf4
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https://youtu.be/sQ0W4ZT5ju4
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I also don’t view David Wilson to be a ‘proper’ criminologist
Given his professional background I think that’s a very strange thing to say. You don’t have to agree with his view on Luke but to say you don’t think he’s a proper criminologist seems crazy. What qualifications and experience in your view would he need to become a proper criminologist. Also you said in a previous post you thought he suffered from Hybristophilia, where do you get this from. You appear to be trying to discredit ANYONE who dares support Luke or speak out for him in anyway. Good luck trying to discredit prof Wilson, I think you have your work cut out there 🤣 he is certainly one person the public will listen too and I for one am very happy a highly respected and well known person like him is taking an interest and getting more people to take another look at this case. Maybe you should too.
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He most dedinately knew about Jodi Jones killers case/campaign in 2021
He certainly did. One of LM's defenders wrote to him in 2021 asking him to get involved and he replied that "he doesn't share their concerns about the case". Strange that he's changed his mind but he does love the sound of his own voice and being in the public eye.
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He certainly did. One of LM's defenders wrote to him in 2021 asking him to get involved and he replied that "he doesn't share their concerns about the case". Strange that he's changed his mind but he does love the sound of his own voice and being in the public eye.
I wrote to him in 2019, seems he was aware but said he had never studied the case. So glad he is taking some notice now.
His Reply in 2019
Thank you for your e mail and for your kind comments. Thank you also for sharing with me your views about this case. However, I have never studied the case and therefore can offer no opinion.
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He certainly did. One of LM's defenders wrote to him in 2021 asking him to get involved and he replied that "he doesn't share their concerns about the case". Strange that he's changed his mind but he does love the sound of his own voice and being in the public eye.
Aren’t people allowed to change their minds? It’s obvious what he said about the case previously that he knew very little about it.
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He certainly did. One of LM's defenders wrote to him in 2021 asking him to get involved and he replied that "he doesn't share their concerns about the case". Strange that he's changed his mind but he does love the sound of his own voice and being in the public eye.
Not ‘strange’ given he’s, IMO, also up to his eyeballs in innocence fraud
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proper criminologist
What’s your interpretation of a criminologist ?
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Also you said in a previous post you thought he suffered from Hybristophilia
Could David Wilson ‘Suffer’ From Hybristophilia? (Part 176)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/13/killer-luke-mitchell-could-david-wilson-suffer-from-hybristophilia-part-176/
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I wrote to him in 2019, seems he was aware but said he had never studied the case. So glad he is taking some notice now.
His Reply in 2019
Thank you for your e mail and for your kind comments. Thank you also for sharing with me your views about this case. However, I have never studied the case and therefore can offer no opinion.
Didn’t you also tweet to him in 2012?
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Didn’t you also tweet to him in 2012?
No I’m not on twitter
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I know what he wrote
I also know he’s another gaslighter & psychological manipulator
IMO
Have you been threatened with legal action John ?
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Will Mr Wilson be joining the cult at their protest on the 13th in Edinburgh? Ms Lean is broadcasting tonight to mark the 19th anniversary since LM was taken. Here's to another 19 more years the child killer is kept locked up.
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Ms Lean is broadcasting tonight
Does she sound desperate to you?
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Does she sound desperate to you?
Yes, very. The amateur dramatics and grinning were off the scale and I could only watch a few minutes. Still, LM supporters claim the tide is turning and "they" are running scared.
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David Wilson did a TV show whereby he/and the producers/editors attempted to pretend convicted killer Bert Spencer was responsible for the so called ‘Bridgewater fours’ murder of Carl Bridgewater
Michael Hickey (who confessed to Carl Bridgewater’s murder) should never have been released from prison!
And how he only got a suspended prison sentence with a murder conviction already under his belt - was a joke
Http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/carl-bridgewater-michael-hickey-robbery-15350011
Oh Nicholas , Luke could be proven innocent and you would still say guilty. *%87
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I also don’t view David Wilson to be a ‘proper’ criminologist
What is a proper Criminologist in your opinion? He is qualified and teaches the subject. What more does he require in YOUR opinion?
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Yes, very. The amateur dramatics and grinning were off the scale and I could only watch a few minutes. Still, LM supporters claim the tide is turning and "they" are running scared.
I only heard the am-dram and also only listened to a few minutes
She sounds extra desperate
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Oh Nicholas , Luke could be proven innocent and you would still say guilty. *%87
Maybe because he IS guilty. After almost 20 years the best LM's defenders can say, after blaming various innocent others, is the brother lured her into the woods, killed her and carried her to the V break then escaped soaked in blood on the back of a clapped out moped without being seen? I often think if LM was spotted on CCTV with a bloodied knife his supporters would blame the Daily Record.
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What is a proper Criminologist in your opinion? He is qualified and teaches the subject. What more does he require in YOUR opinion?
This is worth a listen
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INNOCENCE FRAUD With ROBERTA GLASS (Part 1)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/14/innocence-fraud-with-roberta-glass-part-1/
Part 2 ~ Dropping soon..
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David Wilson did a TV show whereby he/and the producers/editors attempted to pretend convicted killer Bert Spencer was responsible for the so called ‘Bridgewater fours’ murder of Carl Bridgewater
Michael Hickey (who confessed to Carl Bridgewater’s murder) should never have been released from prison!
And how he only got a suspended prison sentence with a murder conviction already under his belt - was a joke
Http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/carl-bridgewater-michael-hickey-robbery-15350011
Is your name Stephanie Hall ???? @)(++(* (ty6e[ oops
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This is worth a listen
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Part 2 ~ Dropping soon..
But what is YOUR answer? *%87
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What’s your interpretation of a criminologist ?
In short someone who studied criminals and crime. Or someone like Sandra and Professor David Wilson. You didn’t answer what qualifications and experience in your view would Prof Wilson need to become a ‘proper’ criminologist. I think his professional background speaks for itself.
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In short someone who studied criminals and crime. Or someone like Sandra and Professor David Wilson. You didn’t answer what qualifications and experience in your view would Prof Wilson need to become a ‘proper’ criminologist. I think his professional background speaks for itself.
Did no one who investigated the case and who brought LM to justice have any professional qualifications or experience of criminology then?
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What is a proper Criminologist in your opinion? He is qualified and teaches the subject. What more does he require in YOUR opinion?
proper
/ˈprɒpə/
denoting something that is truly what it is said or regarded to be; genuine.
I don’t get a ‘genuine’ vibe off of David Wilson
Dropping soon
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Could David Wilson ‘Suffer’ From Hybristophilia? (Part 176)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/13/killer-luke-mitchell-could-david-wilson-suffer-from-hybristophilia-part-176/
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If any one has a few hours to waste CH4 "In the footsteps of killers", Wilson along with Emelia Fox look at old cases,
gives an insight imo into the workings of Wilson, its hard work so stock up on snacks.
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Did no one who investigated the case and who brought LM to justice have any professional qualifications or experience of criminology then?
I did not say they didn’t. I have no idea what qualifications those who investigate the case had or if a criminologist was involved or not. I was asked what the definition of a criminologist was in my mind.
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proper
/ˈprɒpə/
denoting something that is truly what it is said or regarded to be; genuine.
I don’t get a ‘genuine’ vibe off of David Wilson
Dropping soon
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Fair enough I get what you mean, I personally think he seems very qualified and I respect alot of the work he has done and that’s why I wrote to him in 2019. It was not to ask him to look into the case or anything like that it was just to ask if he had heard of the case and what his opinion on Luke was, if he thought Luke was guilty or not as I respect his opinion. So I’m glad he had a chance to take a look into it a bit and write an article on it.
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I did not say they didn’t. I have no idea what qualifications those who investigate the case had or if a criminologist was involved or not. I was asked what the definition of a criminologist was in my mind.
Well we certainly know that the FBI Criminal Behavioural Unit looked at whether Luke could be the killer at the behest of the investigating police force. You really don’t get much more knowledgeable in aspects of criminal behaviour than them. Lothian and Borders police buried the report because it was favourable to Luke so it appears that they were going to plough ahead with their blinkered investigation no matter what professional advice they got.
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Maybe because he IS guilty. After almost 20 years the best LM's defenders can say, after blaming various innocent others, is the brother lured her into the woods, killed her and carried her to the V break then escaped soaked in blood on the back of a clapped out moped without being seen? I often think if LM was spotted on CCTV with a bloodied knife his supporters would blame the Daily Record.
Do you think those who believe that Luke is innocent of Jodi’s murder are obliged to put forward another suspect to make their opinion valid? Shouldn’t the lack of evidence be more important?
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If any one has a few hours to waste CH4 "In the footsteps of killers", Wilson along with Emelia Fox look at old cases,
gives an insight imo into the workings of Wilson, its hard work so stock up on snacks.
That is a truly dreadful, phony programme.
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proper
/ˈprɒpə/
denoting something that is truly what it is said or regarded to be; genuine.
I don’t get a ‘genuine’ vibe off of David Wilson
Dropping soon
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Vibe? You are denouncing his vast experience in the field of criminology, his qualifications too. I didn't realize that you had to get a good vibe qualification too *%87 *&^^&
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No good vibes from me
Killer Luke Mitchell: Could David Wilson ‘Suffer’ From Hybristophilia? (Part 176)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/14/__trashed-2/
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No good vibes from me
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Killer Luke Mitchell: Could David Wilson ‘Suffer’ From Hybristophilia? (Part 176)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/14/__trashed-2/
So..... just your speculation again then? *%87 *%87 *%87 *%87
The lack of a good vibe don't make his qualifications vanish into thin air.... (&^& (&^& (&^& (&^&
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Do you think David Wilson will do something on Sandra Lean and un-convicted baby killer Billy Middleton
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/entertainment/celebrity/david-wilsons-crime-files-hunt-29711942
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No good vibes from me
Killer Luke Mitchell: Could David Wilson ‘Suffer’ From Hybristophilia? (Part 176)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/14/__trashed-2/
Comment after podcaster Sandra Lean's latest sermon: J How is Luke doing? Does he have lots of support and visitors? What about people writing to him? Does he need any of us to write to him ?
Does anyone visit him? Did SF say he was in HMP Greenock now?
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Comment after podcaster Sandra Lean's latest sermon: J How is Luke doing? Does he have lots of support and visitors? What about people writing to him? Does he need any of us to write to him ?
Does anyone visit him? Did SF say he was in HMP Greenock now?
If he doesn’t are you going to volunteer? Take him some toffees, I hear he likes the chewy sort.
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No good vibes from me
Killer Luke Mitchell: Could David Wilson ‘Suffer’ From Hybristophilia? (Part 176)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/14/__trashed-2/
It helps explain your views on Luke if you trust your ‘vibe’ over the evidence. You appear to disregard the information and facts, add in what you believe instead of the truth (ie the not existing 1020 text) and then he is ‘definitely’ guilty.
Also with regards to Prod Wilson suffering from Hybristophilia, I think that’s a terrible and disgusting thing to say and I really hope he pulls you up on this, we know he likes to find out who trolls are to deal with them.
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we know he likes to find out who trolls are to deal with them.
David Wilson knows who I am
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ie the not existing 1020 text
Judith Jones sent a text to killer Luke Mitchell at 10:20pm!
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David Wilson knows who I am
Why does he know who you are?
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Why does he know who you are?
None of your business
David Wilson knows who I am and has done since 2021
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None of your business
David Wilson knows who I am and has done since 2021
Did you get a cease and desist notice?
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Did you get a cease and desist notice?
Did Shane Mitchell serve a cease and desist notice on his mother Corinne Mitchell or charlatan & fraudster Sandra Lean ?
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Did Shane Mitchell serve a cease and desist notice on his mother Corinne Mitchell or charlatan & fraudster Sandra Lean ?
Yes both of them after the J English CM podcast I recall. Unless someone can find a recent podcast from either of them mentioning Shane that would be about the time.
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Yes both of them after the J English CM podcast I recall. Unless someone can find a recent podcast from either of them mentioning Shane that would be about the time.
Do you have a source for this Kenmore?
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Did Shane Mitchell serve a cease and desist notice on his mother Corinne Mitchell or charlatan & fraudster Sandra Lean ?
I’ll take that as a yes then.
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Do you have a source for this Kenmore?
From an authoritative source very near the horses mouth. Also, there is a live podcast from a year or two back that SL warns everyone not to mention SM/PM as that is not up for discussion.
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From an authoritative source very near the horses mouth. Also, there is a live podcast from a year or two back that SL warns everyone not to mention SM/PM as that is not up for discussion.
Rather further down the the horse I think.
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He sounds like Sandra Lean or vice versa
Researching a case for 2 years is wrong now too Stephanie? (&^&
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He most dedinately knew about Jodi Jones killers case/campaign in 2021
Where in that quote does it say that he didn't know about the case? Come on Stephanie have a day off will you (&^& (&^& (&^& (&^&
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Researching a case for 2 years is wrong now too Stephanie? (&^&
He didn’t ‘research’ the case! David Wilson was blagging!
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Where in that quote does it say that he didn't know about the case?
David Wilson is another innocence fraud grifter - like Mark Williams Thomas
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He didn’t ‘research’ the case! David Wilson was blagging!
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Again that is just your opinion. You have no real facts. Unless you are David Wilson *%87
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Fancy coming with some actual facts instead of continually sharing your bile and tripe. You should work for the DR. Maybe you could have your friend JH’s old job. You would be perfect for it! (&^&
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Sandra Lean that account takes everything out of of context!
I read the other day that in their opinion Prof Wilson isn't a “proper” Criminologist in their eyes because. Drum 🥁 roll.....
He doesn't give off a good vibe.
It's laughable 😂
He’s another blagger similar to Sandra Lean Thora Allen
Some reasoning given here
Could David Wilson ‘Suffer’ From Hybristophilia? (Part 176)
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Thora Allen
Sandra Lean that account takes everything out of of context!
I read the other day that in their opinion Prof Wilson isn't a “proper” Criminologist in their eyes because. Drum 🥁 roll.....
He doesn't give off a good vibe.
It's laughable 😂
I also find him creepy Thora
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Geo Fergie I am glad that he is finally taking a proper look at it.
He hasn’t taken a ‘proper look at it’ either Thora Allen
He was blagging
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Btw Thora Allen can you let Jacqueline Johnson know I didn’t block her - she blocked me
Jacqueline Johnston
Heather Brunt thanks Heather I need to block this group now tho ....& strangley I can't find them ...hope they've blocked me haha since this post #somepeoplecannotbeeducated
Jacqueline Johnston
Heather Brunt obviously rattling cages lol x
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Btw Thora Allen can you let Jacqueline Johnson know I didn’t block her - she blocked me
Jacqueline Johnston
Heather Brunt thanks Heather I need to block this group now tho ....& strangley I can't find them ...hope they've blocked me haha since this post #somepeoplecannotbeeducated
Jacqueline Johnston
Heather Brunt obviously rattling cages lol x
Why don’t you join the group and tell them yourself?
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Why don’t you join the group and tell them yourself?
They will probably be in hiding under a fake profile. That's how Stephanie Hall gets the comments .
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David Wilson did a TV show whereby he/and the producers/editors attempted to pretend convicted killer Bert Spencer was responsible for the so called ‘Bridgewater fours’ murder of Carl Bridgewater
Michael Hickey (who confessed to Carl Bridgewater’s murder) should never have been released from prison!
And how he only got a suspended prison sentence with a murder conviction already under his belt - was a joke
Http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/carl-bridgewater-michael-hickey-robbery-15350011
https://www.hja.net/news-and-insights/hja-in-the-news/civil-liberties-human-rights/vincent-michael-hickeys-solicitor-welcomes-the-government-announcement-on-saved-living-expenses-deductions-for-miscarriage-of-justice-victims-but-it-doesnt-go-fa/
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Have you actually read about the numerous crimes of Michael Hickey? He was a monster! A vile specimen that deserved to be locked up for a very long time.
From a 2018 newspaper article: "Ms Julia Morgan, defending, argued that Hickey suffered from mental health issues related to his time in prison for which he had been receiving treatment since his release in 1997."
A person deserves to be punished for the crimes he or she committed, not a crime he or she did not commit. The police fitted him up for the murder of Carl Bridgewater. There is also the issue of Mr. Hickey's mental health (see above), which the judge may have seen as a mitigating circumstance.
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From a 2018 newspaper article: "Ms Julia Morgan, defending, argued that Hickey suffered from mental health issues related to his time in prison for which he had been receiving treatment since his release in 1997."
A person deserves to be punished for the crimes he or she committed, not a crime he or she did not commit. The police fitted him up for the murder of Carl Bridgewater. There is also the issue of Mr. Hickey's mental health (see above), which the judge may have seen as a mitigating circumstance.
This alleged mental health issues were claimed to be as a result of his long incarceration, I am referring to the armed robberies he took part in which inflicted terror on members of the public including an elderly couple, prior to his incarceration. He already had a criminal record by this point and was clearly a thorougly unpleasant individual, not someone to be revered as a martyr and a hero as some people appear to want to do.
Theft Act 1968, s.8
(1) A person is guilty of robbery if he steals, and immediately before or at the time of doing so, and in order to do so, he uses force on any person or puts or seeks to put any person in fear of being then and there subjected to force.
(2) A person guilty of robbery, or of an assault with intent to rob, shall on conviction on indictment be liable to imprisonment for life.
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PROFESSOR DAVID WILSON
Luke Mitchell should never have been charged, let alone convicted
12 hrs ago
CRIME
By David Wilson
Professor of Criminology
I’ve never needed to be convinced that miscarriages of justice happen in Scotland.
I even wrote a book - Signs of Murder - about one such miscarriage that occurred after the murder of a young woman called Margaret McLaughlin in Carluke in July 1973. In that case the police “fitted up” a local man called George Beattie, who was a bit “soft”, enjoyed train spotting as a hobby and had a below average IQ. During his fourth police interview George would go on to give what I described as a “pseudo-confession”, in which he claimed that Margaret had been stabbed by men wearing tall hats with mirrors on them, and that he had been forced
In Signs of Murder I even recount tracking down the person I believe to have been more likely to have been Margaret’s killer and report a tense exchange that I had with him on his doorstep. He wasn’t pleased.
The publication of the book led to questions being asked in the Scottish parliament and raising hopes that George, at long last, might get exonerated for a crime that he most certainly did not commit.
However, slowly and silently, the Scottish judicial system clearly decided that George had served his sentence and so what was the point of re-opening old wounds and owning up to a collective failure of having got Margaret’s murder investigation and then George’s criminal prosecution so disastrously wrong.
I knew about Margaret’s murder because it happened in the town where I once lived, and two of my sisters still call Carluke home. I left to go to university and so all of my career has been in England. I really don’t know too much about Scottish cases – unless they come to be featured in Crime Files, which I present for BBC Scotland, or they have something about them which means they get covered south of the border. Crime reporting still tends to be regional, rather than national and even the story of “Bible John” is barely known in England.
However, at a public talk that I gave last December I was asked a question about Luke Mitchell, who had been convicted in 2005 for the murder of his girlfriend Jodi Jones, after her body had been found in woodland near Dalkeith in Midlothian in 2003. I can’t remember my exact reply, but I said that I knew the case was controversial and that it generated heated debate as Luke has never admitted his guilt even after nearly 20 years in prison, although Jodi’s family remain convinced that he’s the culprit. I had also become more aware of the case, I said, because I had viewed some of a two-part documentary on Channel 5 called Murder in a Small Town. However, such was the pressure of work, I hadn’t managed to watch the second episode.
Over the last few months, prompted by several emails I have at last been able to devote time to look more fully at Luke Mitchell’s case, and what I’ve seen gives me cause for concern. What happened to Luke almost echoes all the mistakes that took place within the investigation, trial and conviction of George Beattie and so my fear is that Jodi’s killer has never been caught and punished at all.
It took me two years to research and write Signs of Murder and even then I wasn’t privy to all of the materials that would normally have been made available to me if I had been conducting an official investigation. The same holds true for what I’ve been able to read and analyse about Jodi’s murder, and nor have I devoted two years to come to a conclusion. However, I have been able to: read transcripts from Luke’s trial; consult various appeals that were made on his behalf; looked at a range of newspaper commentary (some of which supported his conviction); watched Murder in a Small Town and also part of the Trials that Shocked Scotland series; listened to a podcast about the case – which also devoted most of an episode to Luke Mitchell speaking from prison (and he clearly is an intelligent man); and delved into some social media – which I can assure you is not for the faint-hearted.
So this range of materials can hardly be described as “definitive”. Nor have I been able to look at any surviving forensic evidence – there was none in George’s case – and, if press reports are to be believed, in the wake of the screening of the Channel 5 documentary, all of this was going to be destroyed in Luke’s case, until his solicitors stepped in to prevent its destruction.
However, even accepting that I could not access all of the materials I would have wanted, there is literally nothing – nothing - I could uncover that warranted Luke even being charged with Jodi’s murder, never mind being sent to trial. Instead there seemed to be a concerted press campaign to damage his character which served to support the police’s actions, and in much the same way that George’s reputation got tarnished by his pseudo-confession – he’s alluding to the pop group Slade with his reference to men wearing tall hats with mirrors on them – Luke gets similar treatment but this time it’s the American goth-rocker Marilyn Manson that’s harnessed to do the damage. There is no forensic evidence whatsoever to connect Luke to Jodi’s murder, despite the horrifying way in which she was killed. As with George, there were no “signs of murder” on his person, and nor is it true that his clothing was destroyed by his mother after the event. Witness testimony is weak, inconsistent and more than likely wrong, and about the only thing that I could see that needed to be investigated more fully was his part in the initial discovery of Jodi’s body. However, this was not just a case of circumstantial evidence leading to a conviction, but one of literally no evidence at all.
Nothing has happened as far as George Beattie’s miscarriage is concerned and my fear is that nothing will happen about Luke Mitchell’s either. The Scottish Criminal Justice System never seems keen to admit to its mistakes but, as I have always argued, a judicial system cannot call itself mature and civilised unless it’s prepared to hold its hands up and admit when it gets things wrong.
And that’s what they did in Luke Mitchell’s case – it got things wrong, and so for me Jodi’s killer is still to be brought to justice.
Professor David Wilson is emeritus professor of criminology at Birmingham City University
More about David Wilson here.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Wilson_(criminologist)
How was scammer David Wilson able to read trial transcripts which hadn’t been transcribed before?
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Is that the TV guy?
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Is that the TV guy?
Yes. Talks with a golf ball in his mouth. First he claimed he agreed with the court verdict, then he didn't. Hasn't mentioned it since but I'd guarantee he'll never make a TV programme about LM.
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He's a money TV CELEB. How's getting Luke pardoned going?
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He's a TV guy. Making lots of money whilst just spouting whatever. Shame you weren't good enough to make it into TV Sandra (sh*t on Channel 5 doesn't count)
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He's a TV guy. Making lots of money whilst just spouting whatever. Shame you weren't good enough to make it into TV Sandra (sh*t on Channel 5 doesn't count)
Wilson will be hoisted by his own cravat given time. Sandra is driving a van for the council part-time and never been employed in criminal justice or been peer acclaimed in Criminology Monthly. I keep waiting for her to appear in one of the many ITV/C4/C5 true crime docs, but alas no. Maybe selling crystals on the shopping channel.
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I watched a Jack the Ripper programme tonight hosted by Prof Wilson and Emilia Fox.
Very interesting show, the injuries to the Ripper victims were very similar to those inflicted to Jodi Jones,so therefore we can assume that both killers would have probably had a similar mind set.
Jack the Ripper used overkill which escalated with each murder ending with the complete destruction of Mary Kelly.
There was certainly overkill with Jodi too.
There was severe disfigurement to the faces of the Ripper victims as well as Jodi, which Prof Wilson puts down to misogyny.So Jodi's killer was a women [ censored word ]?
The other injuries to the Ripper victims body's were done for sick kicks as we know, which may have included piquerism as suggested with Jodi Jone's too.
Jack the Ripper is now believed to be Aaron Kosminsy who had paranoia and audio hallucinations, he claimed voices in his head told him to kill the women.
So obviously Jack the Ripper was severely mentally ill, and had been for a few years before he started on his insane killing spree!
This makes sense, surely you would need to be very ill to kill innocent women at random without any provocation?
People, or men in particular who hate women usually dont interact with the opposite sex very well either.
So, we know that Jack the Ripper was probably a mysogynist with paranoia and some sort of severe psychosis which drove him to murder and mutilate women, and hence we can conclude that Jodi's killer probably had a similar mind set, yes?
Another interesting fact about Kosminsky was that he was living with his brother and his family at the time of the murders and had been losing control for some time, at one stage attacking his sister with a knife!
I will say no more!
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Oh, and Kosminski was 26 years old at the time of the murders,having been ill since he was about 23!
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I watched that programme too and wasn’t entirely convinced by the evidence that it was Kominski tbh. I also don’t think it’s wise to attempt to draw any learnings from the Jack the Ripper case to apply to LM. For a start, if [Name removed] was murdered in a random attack by a woman hating psychopath then where are all the other similar attacks in the local area? Furthermore there was a case in the USA featuring a young male teen who murdered his girlfriend or ex girlfriend in a similarly gruesome way, a case which has been discussed on here before - he only murdered the one time and was not judged to by a paranoid schizophrenic so what inference can we draw from his case to apply to Luke Mitchell?
ETA https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Tristyn_Bailey
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I watched that programme too and wasn’t entirely convinced by the evidence that it was Kominski tbh. I also don’t think it’s wise to attempt to draw any learnings from the Jack the Ripper case to apply to LM. For a start, if [Name removed] was murdered in a random attack by a woman hating psychopath then where are all the other similar attacks in the local area? Furthermore there was a case in the USA featuring a young male teen who murdered his girlfriend or ex girlfriend in a similarly gruesome way, a case which has been discussed on here before - he only murdered the one time and was not judged to by a paranoid schizophrenic so what inference can we draw from his case to apply to Luke Mitchell?
ETA https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Tristyn_Bailey
Thanks Vertigo.
Yes, a similar sounding crime, but only stab wounds. Why didn't LM simply stab Jodi if he wanted to kill someone?
And notice the Bailey murderer claimed to hear voices too!
I think there are more similarities to the Ripper murders.
But yes, many people ask why no other murders have taken place in Dalkeith if the killer is still at large, is it possible that they are being kept under control by psychotic drugs? This has been suggested as you know.
Do you think mysogyny came into the murder of Jodi, Vertigo? Do you think LM was a mysogynist?
Judging by his life style, it doesn't really look like Luke had a dislike for women does it?
Wonder what the FBI report said? Didn't agree that Luke fitted the profile of Jodi's killer anyway!
Its a mystery, Vertigo, its a mystery!
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Thanks Vertigo.
Yes, a similar sounding crime, but only stab wounds. Why didn't LM simply stab Jodi if he wanted to kill someone?
And notice the Bailey murderer claimed to hear voices too!
I think there are more similarities to the Ripper murders.
But yes, many people ask why no other murders have taken place in Dalkeith if the killer is still at large, is it possible that they are being kept under control by psychotic drugs? This has been suggested as you know.
Do you think mysogyny came into the murder of Jodi, Vertigo? Do you think LM was a mysogynist?
Judging by his life style, it doesn't really look like Luke had a dislike for women does it?
Wonder what the FBI report said? Didn't agree that Luke fitted the profile of Jodi's killer anyway!
Its a mystery, Vertigo, its a mystery!
I think there are far more similarities between the LM killing and that of his American counterpart than there are with the Jack the Ripper murders tbh. “Only stab wounds”? There were dozens of them. Talk about overkill! IMO all men and boys are misogynists to varying degreesing degrees, though most won’t admit it. Was LM motivated to kill by misogyny? No idea. It’s possible. Girls are weaker than boys and easier to lure to a rendezvous and overcome with violence. I don’t know what you mean by “it doesn’t look like Luke had a dislike for women” - what do you base that opinion on? Isn’t he alleged to have pulled a knife on another of his (many) girlfriends? Did the little American tw.. have a dislike for women?
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I think there are far more similarities between the LM killing and that of his American counterpart than there are with the Jack the Ripper murders tbh. “Only stab wounds”? There were dozens of them. Talk about overkill! IMO all men and boys are misogynists to varying degreesing degrees, though most won’t admit it. Was LM motivated to kill by misogyny? No idea. It’s possible. Girls are weaker than boys and easier to lure to a rendezvous and overcome with violence. I don’t know what you mean by “it doesn’t look like Luke had a dislike for women” - what do you base that opinion on? Isn’t he alleged to have pulled a knife on another of his (many) girlfriends? Did the little American tw.. have a dislike for women?
Yes, there was certainly overkill with the American case you mention, Vertigo! And yes, the boy was fourteen!
But alas, there the similarities end with the Ripper/Jodi murders. There was no dehumanisation nor mysogynistic disfigurement of the victims face! 'All men and boys are mysogynists to varying degrees'? Wow, i'm saying nothing!!
Anyway, as you know, Prof Wilson stated that the Ripper victims faces were attacked to dehumanize the victms by someone with mysogynistic leanings, a woman [ censored word ] as it were!
I think this may be one of the reasons the FBI report dismissed LM as the killer, he was a normal loving boyfriend, which was backed up by Jodi's diary's apparently!
Luke just doesn't fit the profile of Jodi's killer, Vertigo! Thats all there is about it!
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Yes, there was certainly overkill with the American case you mention, Vertigo! And yes, the boy was fourteen!
But alas, there the similarities end with the Ripper/Jodi murders. There was no dehumanisation nor mysogynistic disfigurement of the victims face! 'All men and boys are mysogynists to varying degrees'? Wow, i'm saying nothing!!
Anyway, as you know, Prof Wilson stated that the Ripper victims faces were attacked to dehumanize the victms by someone with mysogynistic leanings, a woman [ censored word ] as it were!
I think this may be one of the reasons the FBI report dismissed LM as the killer, he was a normal loving boyfriend, which was backed up by Jodi's diary's apparently!
Luke just doesn't fit the profile of Jodi's killer, Vertigo! Thats all there is about it!
LOL, if you say so Joe, but that’s merely an opinion. The girl in America was stabbed 114 times. The tip of the knife was found embedded in her skull. How do you know there was no facial disfigurement? The first 2 of the Ripper’s victims were not facially disfigured as I recall. Anything else?
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LOL, if you say so Joe, but that’s merely an opinion. The girl in America was stabbed 114 times. The tip of the knife was found embedded in her skull. How do you know there was no facial disfigurement? The first 2 of the Ripper’s victims were not facially disfigured as I recall. Anything else?
No. I cant add much more to the argument at the moment, Vertigo!
Maybe someone else can?
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Mitchell's crimes were more similar to the Yorkshire Ripper Sutcliffe. Lured to a secluded spot, attacked over the head to incapacitate then slashed/stabbed. There's no argument that Mitchell's murder wasn't extreme overkill or dehumanization wanting to cause maximum offence including trussing his girlfriend up like an animal.
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Mitchell's crimes were more similar to the Yorkshire Ripper Sutcliffe. Lured to a secluded spot, attacked over the head to incapacitate then slashed/stabbed. There's no argument that Mitchell's murder wasn't extreme overkill or dehumanization wanting to cause maximum offence including trussing his girlfriend up like an animal.
Do you think the killer was a mysogynist, Ken?
Has LM ever been accused of being a mysogynist?
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Do you think the killer was a mysogynist, Ken?
Has LM ever been accused of being a mysogynist?
I think Mitchell’s actions speak for themselves. Misogyny isn’t a clinical diagnosis.
How would you characterise him? Kind? Gentle? Loveable? Faithful? Respectful of women and girls? The evidence would tend to suggest otherwise and whilst he may have been popular with some girls that doesn’t necessarily mean he was any of the above. Some of the vilest men alive have no problem attracting women, eg the arch-misogynist Andrew Tate, for example.
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I think Mitchell’s actions speak for themselves. Misogyny isn’t a clinical diagnosis.
How would you characterise him? Kind? Gentle? Loveable? Faithful? Respectful of women and girls? The evidence would tend to suggest otherwise and whilst he may have been popular with some girls that doesn’t necessarily mean he was any of the above. Some of the vilest men alive have no problem attracting women, eg the arch-misogynist Andrew Tate, for example.
Do you think the killer was psychotic, Vertigo?
I suppose you think the cannabis use caused this in LM case?
Was he tested by a psychologist after his arrest? When was he first tested?
Did his psychosis disappear after he was locked up and no longer had access to drugs?
Couldn't the same be said if the killer was someone else outside prison, who cut down their drug consumption to help control any underlying psychosis?
I mean, just say someone had psychotic tendencies and was treated with drugs to control it, but!! they took cannabis instead which put them on a collision course with disaster?
ie., by taking cannabis instead of their prescribed medicine a psychotic episode was induced leading to a frenzied murder!
Subsequently, when devastated by their actions the killer gave up on illegal drugs and took their prescribed medicine on a regular,strict regime in the hope of avoiding any other psychotic breakdowns in future?
Hence why no other murders have taken place since!
What do you think, Vertigo?
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Do you think the killer was psychotic, Vertigo?
I suppose you think the cannabis use caused this in LM case?
Was he tested by a psychologist after his arrest? When was he first tested?
Did his psychosis disappear after he was locked up and no longer had access to drugs?
Couldn't the same be said if the killer was someone else outside prison, who cut down their drug consumption to help control any underlying psychosis?
I mean, just say someone had psychotic tendencies and was treated with drugs to control it, but!! they took cannabis instead which put them on a collision course with disaster?
ie., by taking cannabis instead of their prescribed medicine a psychotic episode was induced leading to a frenzied murder!
Subsequently, when devastated by their actions the killer gave up on illegal drugs and took their prescribed medicine on a regular,strict regime in the hope of avoiding any other psychotic breakdowns in future?
Hence why no other murders have taken place since!
What do you think, Vertigo?
Erm….come again?
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Erm….come again?
Incredible mental gymnastics from JB/SL trying to implicate a family member when there is not a shred of evidence to support her theory. In reality it all goes back to LM's claim that it was someone else. Even his own mum was caught out years later in a YouTube video contradicting herself from previous claims. JB/SL will not respond to anything negative relating to LM and put forward bizarre unrelated points. Whether LM is a misogynist, psychopath, etc doesn't really matter. His actions before/after the murder are testament to his guilt.
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Incredible mental gymnastics from JB/SL trying to implicate a family member when there is not a shred of evidence to support her theory. In reality it all goes back to LM's claim that it was someone else. Even his own mum was caught out years later in a YouTube video contradicting herself from previous claims. JB/SL will not respond to anything negative relating to LM and put forward bizarre unrelated points. Whether LM is a misogynist, psychopath, etc doesn't really matter. His actions before/after the murder are testament to his guilt.
You seem to be suggesting that there was a family member who presented as psychotic with a history of violence. Am I correct?
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You seem to be suggesting that there was a family member who presented as psychotic with a history of violence. Am I correct?
No. Even by your efforts that was a poor attempt at trolling/mental gymnastics to ignore the point.
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I was just thinking, would the SCCRC have the authority to request the full un-redacted FBI report from the police?
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I was just thinking, would the SCCRC have the authority to request the full un-redacted FBI report from the police?
I’d like to know upon what scientific basis the FBI decided that a sexually active 14 year would be unable to commit a murder which involved genital mutilation.
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I’d like to know upon what scientific basis the FBI decided that a sexually active 14 year would be unable to commit a murder which involved genital mutilation.
Well, thats why it would be handy to see the report, Vertigo!
Not sure if science comes into it, it was more of a psychological evaluation, was it not?
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Well, thats why it would be handy to see the report, Vertigo!
Not sure if science comes into it, it was more of a psychological evaluation, was it not?
It’s an absurd conclusion though imo. If a 14 year old can rape and a fourteen year old can murder then a 14 year old can mutilate genitals. Children much younger than 14 have committed horrendous sexually aggravated crimes - see the Bulger murderers for example.
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It’s an absurd conclusion though imo. If a 14 year old can rape and a fourteen year old can murder then a 14 year old can mutilate genitals. Children much younger than 14 have committed horrendous sexually aggravated crimes - see the Bulger murderers for example.
To be honest, I wasn't aware that Jodi was attacked in that manner, Vertigo!
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To be honest, I wasn't aware that Jodi was attacked in that manner, Vertigo!
So you weren’t aware that the FBI conclusion was based on the following thought process?
Mr Safarik (ex FBI) told the Sun: "If you have mutilation of sexual body parts you are talking about a lust killer and that is not what you are going to find in a boy of 14.
"The fantasy development and all that dynamic would just not exist at that age”.
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So you weren’t aware that the FBI conclusion was based on the following thought process?
Mr Safarik (ex FBI) told the Sun: "If you have mutilation of sexual body parts you are talking about a lust killer and that is not what you are going to find in a boy of 14.
"The fantasy development and all that dynamic would just not exist at that age”.
Of course she's aware. It was her SCCRC review in 2012-14. She's just trying to cling onto the coat tails of the floundering campaign. Also, the FBI profile was made long before the teenage girls came forward saying LM had threatened them with a knife.
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So you weren’t aware that the FBI conclusion was based on the following thought process?
Mr Safarik (ex FBI) told the Sun: "If you have mutilation of sexual body parts you are talking about a lust killer and that is not what you are going to find in a boy of 14.
"The fantasy development and all that dynamic would just not exist at that age”.
I thought that refered to the cut under the breast, Vertigo!
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I thought that refered to the cut under the breast, Vertigo!
It refers to “sexual body parts” and you are deflecting from the point. Why bring the FBI report up? Do you think the assumption that 14 year old murderers wouldn’t mutilate sexual body parts is a correct one? If so upon what do you base this conclusion?
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It refers to “sexual body parts” and you are deflecting from the point. Why bring the FBI report up? Do you think the assumption that 14 year old murderers wouldn’t mutilate sexual body parts is a correct one? If so upon what do you base this conclusion?
I dont know what a fourteen year old is capable of, Vertigo!
Its the FBI's conclusion, not mine!
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I dont know what a fourteen year old is capable of, Vertigo!
Its the FBI's conclusion, not mine!
And it’s clear a dumb conclusion. If 14 year olds can watch porn, can have access to all sorts of depraved material online, can smoke shedloads of weed, can have sex, can rape and can murder using a knife 114 times on a young female, then there is no earthly reason that means they cannot disfigure or mutilate a femaele’s sexual body parts is parts when they carry out that murder. There is no logic to the FBI conclusion, is there?
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And it’s clear a dumb conclusion. If 14 year olds can watch porn, can have access to all sorts of depraved material online, can smoke shedloads of weed, can have sex, can rape and can murder using a knife 114 times on a young female, then there is no earthly reason that means they cannot disfigure or mutilate a femaele’s sexual body parts is parts when they carry out that murder. There is no logic to the FBI conclusion, is there?
Well as I say Vertigo, I am no psychologist or crime scene profiler!
You must keep in mind though, that the FBI's diagnosis of criminals is based on years of research and interogation of said villains! Hence, the FBI gave their honest opinion of the Jodi killer based on tried and tested data!
Remember that the FBI also track down killers too, using the same profiling techniques!
The FBI logic is based on factual cases over many years, it is no sham, as you seem to be claiming, Vertigo!
Obviously the FBI reports are not flawless, but they seemed to be no doubt of their findings in the Jodi Jones case whatsoever!
No ifs or buts! They stated quite clearly and assuredly that the killer was not Luke, I believe?
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Well as I say Vertigo, I am no psychologist or crime scene profiler!
You must keep in mind though, that the FBI's diagnosis of criminals is based on years of research and interogation of said villains! Hence, the FBI gave their honest opinion of the Jodi killer based on tried and tested data!
Remember that the FBI also track down killers too, using the same profiling techniques!
The FBI logic is based on factual cases over many years, it is no sham, as you seem to be claiming, Vertigo!
Obviously the FBI reports are not flawless, but they seemed to be no doubt of their findings in the Jodi Jones case whatsoever!
No ifs or buts! They stated quite clearly and assuredly that the killer was not Luke, I believe?
They stated this based on their belief that 14 year old are unable to sexually mutilate and pose their victims. I think that’s crap and I’d like you or anyone else to provide the argument that says it’s a valid conclusion and not just “because the FBI says so”.
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They stated this based on their belief that 14 year old are unable to sexually mutilate and pose their victims. I think that’s crap and I’d like you or anyone else to provide the argument that says it’s a valid conclusion and not just “because the FBI says so”.
I'm afraid I cant help you any further, Vertigo! The FBI report is all I have to go by!
Even then of course, we have not actually seen the report, we have only heard what Mark Safarik said about it!
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I wonder what the FBI psychologist would make of this 14 year old American Psycho:
“After school let out on Oct. 22, 2013, at Danvers High School, ABC News reported at the time that Chism followed Ritzer, a 24-year-old math teacher, into the girl’s bathroom and attacked her. Chism, then 14, strangled Ritzer before stabbing her 16 times and raping her, later stuffing her body into a recycling bin, which he rolled out into the woods near his school, according to WBUR.
The outlet reported that once Chism brought Ritzer’s body into the woods, he then raped the teacher again using a tree branch, stole her underwear and credit cards and then covered her body with leaves.
PEOPLE reported at the time that Medical Examiner Dr. Anna McDonald, who performed the autopsy, said Ritzer may have still been alive at the time of Chism’s second assault in the woods. “At minimum, she was in the dying process,” McDonald told the jury.”
I’d like them to explain how a 14 year old could feasibly have committed the above crime but could not feasibly have attacked and murdered Jodi Jones.
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I'm afraid I cant help you any further, Vertigo! The FBI report is all I have to go by!
Even then of course, we have not actually seen the report, we have only heard what Mark Safaris said about it!
Did the FBI psychologists actually meet and interview Luke Mitchell?
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Did the FBI psychologists actually meet and interview Luke Mitchell?
I doubt that very much, Vertigo, Dobbie and Martin flew over to America to collect the FBI report remember!
No mention of the FBI being over here to interview anyone!
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I wonder what the FBI psychologist would make of this 14 year old American Psycho:
“After school let out on Oct. 22, 2013, at Danvers High School, ABC News reported at the time that Chism followed Ritzer, a 24-year-old math teacher, into the girl’s bathroom and attacked her. Chism, then 14, strangled Ritzer before stabbing her 16 times and raping her, later stuffing her body into a recycling bin, which he rolled out into the woods near his school, according to WBUR.
The outlet reported that once Chism brought Ritzer’s body into the woods, he then raped the teacher again using a tree branch, stole her underwear and credit cards and then covered her body with leaves.
PEOPLE reported at the time that Medical Examiner Dr. Anna McDonald, who performed the autopsy, said Ritzer may have still been alive at the time of Chism’s second assault in the woods. “At minimum, she was in the dying process,” McDonald told the jury.”
I’d like them to explain how a 14 year old could feasibly have committed the above crime but could not feasibly have attacked and murdered Jodi Jones.
Gruesome stuff, Vertigo!
But as I say, I cant really answer for the FBI agents who made up the profile of Jodi's killer!
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I doubt that very much, Vertigo, Dobbie and Martin flew over to America to collect the FBI report remember!
No mention of the FBI being over here to interview anyone!
Do you think you can carry out a proper and professional psychological profile of someone that you’ve never met?
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Do you think you can carry out a proper and professional psychological profile of someone that you’ve never met?
But youv'e got it slightly mixed up , Vertigo!
The FBI simply looked at the murder of Jodi and gave a profile of the killer!
ie., age etc!
Then they probably looked at taped interviews of LM as well as his background before they categorically ruled him out!
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But youv'e got it slightly mixed up , Vertigo!
The FBI simply looked at the murder of Jodi and gave a profile of the killer!
ie., age etc!
Then they probably looked at taped interviews of LM as well as his background before they categorically ruled him out!
How on earth could they have categorically ruled him out based on what he said and his background? That is more nonsense! The FBI profiler strikes me as incredibly naive and it’s absurd to rule someone out because you don’t think 14 year olds are capable of this kind of crime.
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I'm afraid I cant help you any further, Vertigo! The FBI report is all I have to go by!
Even then of course, we have not actually seen the report, we have only heard what Mark Safarik said about it!
Mark Safarik’s opinion helped put an innocent man behind bars. I think his opinion is worth about as much as a flip of a coin
https://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-profiler-wrongful-conviction-20170720-htmlstory.html
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How on earth could they have categorically ruled him out based on what he said and his background? That is more nonsense! The FBI profiler strikes me as incredibly naive and it’s absurd to rule someone out because you don’t think 14 year olds are capable of this kind of crime.
What more can I say, Vertigo!
Obviously Dobbie thought the FBI's opinion was superior to that of any British profiler, why else fly to the U,S of A?
Maybe it was because forensics threw up nothing and Dobbie thought that an endorsement from the highly regarded FBI would be enough to convince anyone with any doubt that Luke was truly guilty?
Alas, the poor fellows plan back-fired! But big time!!!
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What more can I say, Vertigo!
Obviously Dobbie thought the FBI's opinion was superior to that of any British profiler, why else fly to the U,S of A?
Maybe it was because forensics threw up nothing and Dobbie thought that an endorsement from the highly regarded FBI would be enough to convince anyone with any doubt that Luke was truly guilty?
Alas, the poor fellows plan back-fired! But big time!!!
Apart from a conviction was successfully secured and the murderer has been behind bars for 20 years, so no harm done to the overall case for the prosecution.
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Apart from a conviction was successfully secured and the murderer has been behind bars for 20 years, so no harm done to the overall case for the prosecution.
Well, you could claim that no harm was done because the FBI report was hidden from the defence and jury, Vertigo!
If not, who knows what the outcome would have been?
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Well, you could claim that no harm was done because the FBI report was hidden from the defence and jury, Vertigo!
If not, who knows what the outcome would have been?
There is nothing in that report that could not be picked apart and disputed, no tangible evidence in it just opinion based on questionable logic. I very much doubt it would have held much sway even if used by the defence.
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There is nothing in that report that could not be picked apart and disputed, no tangible evidence in it just opinion based on questionable logic. I very much doubt it would have held much sway even if used by the defence.
The simple fact is. Vertigo, the FBI report was hidden then heavily redacted!
Doesn't look good, does it?
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The simple fact is. Vertigo, the FBI report was hidden then heavily redacted!
Doesn't look good, does it?
I suppose releasing it in full would add grist to the Mitchell Is Innocent mill but would not alter a thing as far as the verdict is concerned imo. But If it’s so important what efforts have Mitchell’s team made to secure the teport from the FBI directly? Of course, the last and most recent psychological evaluation of Mitchell deemed him a sexual risk to women, I wonder if this will have changed when his parole hearing comes up shortly…?
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I suppose releasing it in full would add grist to the Mitchell Is Innocent mill but would not alter a thing as far as the verdict is concerned imo. But If it’s so important what efforts have Mitchell’s team made to secure the teport from the FBI directly? Of course, the last and most recent psychological evaluation of Mitchell deemed him a sexual risk to women, I wonder if this will have changed when his parole hearing comes up shortly…?
The overuse of that word hidden yet again. The visit to the FBI splashed across the media at the time of the police going. A defence who sourced and scoured media reports on the murder. Were they given or requested a copy of that report? Did they choose not to use it because it would have meant they could not lean to placing focus upon the moped boys as a means of comparison with Mitchell, the circumstantial evidence against him? The two boys who were barely older than Mitchell himself who clearly would not have fitted that profile either. Someone well into their 20's and older I believe? Therefore not fitting any of Mitchell's lean to other suspects. Not a shred of consistency in any of it from Mitchells supporters, the same old chucking mud against the wall to see if it will stick. The same old desperate need to lie, there was nothing "hidden" from his defence, zero proof of such. Certainly no inroads for any such obtuse claims. Endless endless claims?
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The overuse of that word hidden yet again. The visit to the FBI splashed across the media at the time of the police going. A defence who sourced and scoured media reports on the murder. Were they given or requested a copy of that report? Did they choose not to use it because it would have meant they could not lean to placing focus upon the moped boys as a means of comparison with Mitchell, the circumstantial evidence against him? The two boys who were barely older than Mitchell himself who clearly would not have fitted that profile either. Someone well into their 20's and older I believe? Therefore not fitting any of Mitchell's lean to other suspects. Not a shred of consistency in any of it from Mitchells supporters, the same old chucking mud against the wall to see if it will stick. The same old desperate need to lie, there was nothing "hidden" from his defence, zero proof of such. Certainly no inroads for any such obtuse claims. Endless endless claims?
Are you suggesting that the defence knew about the FBI report before the trial, Peter! And that they actually read the un-redacted report but chose not to use it?
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I suppose releasing it in full would add grist to the Mitchell Is Innocent mill but would not alter a thing as far as the verdict is concerned imo. But If it’s so important what efforts have Mitchell’s team made to secure the teport from the FBI directly? Of course, the last and most recent psychological evaluation of Mitchell deemed him a sexual risk to women, I wonder if this will have changed when his parole hearing comes up shortly…?
Thats why I asked if the SCCRC had the right to request the FBI report, Vertigo!
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Thats why I asked if the SCCRC had the right to request the FBI report, Vertigo!
I’ve no idea but given that FBI profiling is an inexact science with varying degrees of success over the years I really don’t see what difference it would make to Mitchell’s case even if they did. It’s straw clutching at best imo.
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I’ve no idea but given that FBI profiling is an inexact science with varying degrees of success over the years I really don’t see what difference it would make to Mitchell’s case even if they did. It’s straw clutching at best imo.
No, I dont suppose the report would be enough to set him free now, Vertigo!
But who knows what effect it would have had on the jury at the time?
The thing is, the police were obviously going to use the report at trial if it favoured LM guilt, they didn't spend a fortune flying to America for nothing!
Alas, the report didn't favour a guilty Luke, and obviously they were fearful of the effect it would have on the outcome of the case, hence the redaction! They obviously thought the report would have more of an effect than simply 'clutching at straws' , as you put it, Vertigo!
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No, I dont suppose the report would be enough to set him free now, Vertigo!
But who knows what effect it would have had on the jury at the time?
The thing is, the police were obviously going to use the report at trial if it favoured LM guilt, they didn't spend a fortune flying to America for nothing!
Alas, the report didn't favour a guilty Luke, and obviously they were fearful of the effect it would have on the outcome of the case, hence the redaction! They obviously thought the report would have more of an effect than simply 'clutching at straws' , as you put it, Vertigo!
Not necessarily, they obviously didn’t use it because it didn’t support their case, there’s nothing unusual or sinister about that, in the same way that if the defence had submitted Mitchell to a slew of psychological tests which concluded he was a psychopath they almost certainly wouldn’t have presented those in court either.
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Not necessarily, they obviously didn’t use it because it didn’t support their case, there’s nothing unusual or sinister about that, in the same way that if the defence had submitted Mitchell to a slew of psychological tests which concluded he was a psychopath they almost certainly wouldn’t have presented those in court either.
Wonder what Turngull thought of the FBI report, Vertigo?
Do you think the police even told him about it?
What about the Judge, was there any legal obligation to show him the FBI report?
Probably not! Knowing how the courts work! More theatre than good old fashioned bloody justice!
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Wonder what Turngull thought of the FBI report, Vertigo?
Do you think the police even told him about it?
What about the Judge, was there any legal obligation to show him the FBI report?
Probably not! Knowing how the courts work! More theatre than good old fashioned bloody justice!
I don’t know why you’re so hung up on the report, it proves nothing but you seem determined to keep focusing on it so good luck, maybe someone else will come along to keep this conversation going but I’ve lost interest now.
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I don’t know why you’re so hung up on the report, it proves nothing but you seem determined to keep focusing on it so good luck, maybe someone else will come along to keep this conversation going but I’ve lost interest now.
Understood, Vertigo!
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It is odd that the report was so heavily redacted; that made no sense whatsoever.
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It is odd that the report was so heavily redacted; that made no sense whatsoever.
Do you know if the Defence saw the report Chris? As Peter seems to suggest!
Or was it sometime later, after the trial that the FBI report came to light?
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"joe bloggs" please at least TRY and not sound identical to that idiot Lean...you're embarrassing yourself. go drive your bus
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"joe bloggs" please at least TRY and not sound identical to that idiot Lean...you're embarrassing yourself. go drive your bus
I thought that I was Dr Lean?
It’s turning into Spartacus around here!
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people can have more than one account/username "FAITH"
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"joe bloggs" please at least TRY and not sound identical to that idiot Lean...you're embarrassing yourself. go drive your bus
That comment doesn't really add anything to the discussion, Moggrey!
Do you have anything to say regarding the FBI report?
Oh, and its one'g', 'Blogs' ! Thank you!
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God, you are one smug delusional individual Sandra. Toxic, i've heard many people say. Stick to driving your bus
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God, you are one smug delusional individual Sandra. Toxic, i've heard many people say. Stick to driving your bus
I'm not allowed to drive at the moment, Moggrey! Got a new hip recently!
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Do you mean "allowed" Sandra? Shocking who they let become Dr's these days....
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Do you mean "allowed" Sandra? Shocking who they let become Dr's these days....
Sorry, will amend!