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Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: sadie on October 09, 2024, 06:49:52 PM

Title: Where is Brietta?
Post by: sadie on October 09, 2024, 06:49:52 PM
Where is Brietta?  Is she unwell?

Or is she being threatened and  beenbullied off forum as others of us have?


Do hope that you are OK, Brie.

Miss you.
Title: Re: Where is Brietta?
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on October 09, 2024, 11:10:09 PM
This forum is on its last legs Sadie.  Some migrated to Websleuths and some just don’t post anymore, one could hazard a guess as to why but I doubt it’s because they’ve been threatened.  I’ve certainly not been threatened for many years, not since posting on Twitter at any rate.  Given umpteen warnings on here yes, threatened no.
Title: Re: Where is Brietta?
Post by: sadie on October 10, 2024, 05:32:55 PM
This forum is on its last legs Sadie.  Some migrated to Websleuths and some just don’t post anymore, one could hazard a guess as to why but I doubt it’s because they’ve been threatened.  I’ve certainly not been threatened for many years, not since posting on Twitter at any rate.  Given umpteen warnings on here yes, threatened no.


Brietta was threatened in some way some months ago and I commented on it on forum, if you remember.



Davel business was repeatedly threatened on forum.  Npne of you noticed it, but I did because of knowledge I had about him and where his business was located.

Eleanor has been badly treated with her blog being closed.
Also her exact address on Google Earth shown on forum.   Now that is a definite no go.   It prabably will be vanished now.

Me, too many things have happened to me to even attempt to list them.   A few are on forum, but most are at home znd if I listed them, you wouldn't believe me; they are so bizarre



Do hope that Brie is OK



WARNING

Never disxlose your name, personal details, address, phone numberm email address etc. on the forum.   Some strange folk around if you are a Mccann supporter
Title: Re: Where is Brietta?
Post by: Myster on October 10, 2024, 06:07:50 PM

Eleanor has been badly treated with her blog being closed.

Eleanor's blog is still up and running... she just hasn't posted anything since last December, and might explain the reason, if you're patient.
Title: Re: Where is Brietta?
Post by: Eleanor on October 10, 2024, 07:09:01 PM
Eleanor's blog is still up and running... she just hasn't posted anything since last December, and might explain the reason, if you're patient.

I haven't been able to access my Blog to write since last December, no matter what I do. But all Blogs from the beginning are still there and accessible to read. Some 17 years of them.  Yes, I do still miss it, but nothing works.  And so I have given up.  WordPress is ignoring me.
Title: Re: Where is Brietta?
Post by: Myster on October 10, 2024, 08:24:55 PM
I haven't been able to access my Blog to write since last December, no matter what I do. But all Blogs from the beginning are still there and accessible to read. Some 17 years of them.  Yes, I do still miss it, but nothing works.  And so I have given up.  WordPress is ignoring me.
I thought running your blog was free, but Wordpress (now) charge a variable fee according to this...

https://wordpress.com/pricing/ (https://wordpress.com/pricing/)

Have you stopped payments?

If not, maybe there's something wrong with your settings?  This might help (or addle your brain)...

https://www.elegantthemes.com/blog/wordpress/common-wordpress-login-issues#2-cache-and-cookies (https://www.elegantthemes.com/blog/wordpress/common-wordpress-login-issues#2-cache-and-cookies)
Title: Re: Where is Brietta?
Post by: Eleanor on October 10, 2024, 09:02:09 PM
I thought running your blog was free, but Wordpress (now) charge a variable fee according to this...

https://wordpress.com/pricing/ (https://wordpress.com/pricing/)

Have you stopped payments?

If not, maybe there's something wrong with your settings?  This might help (or addle your brain)...

https://www.elegantthemes.com/blog/wordpress/common-wordpress-login-issues#2-cache-and-cookies (https://www.elegantthemes.com/blog/wordpress/common-wordpress-login-issues#2-cache-and-cookies)
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I've never been asked to pay anything during all the years; And never had a problem.

I have tried most of the suggestions you presented but never get anywhere, just a blank page. And I have changed my password three times, still with a blank page.  I delete my cookies regularly.

But thanks for trying.  xx
Title: Re: Where is Brietta?
Post by: Myster on October 11, 2024, 08:02:11 AM
I've never been asked to pay anything during all the years; And never had a problem.

I have tried most of the suggestions you presented but never get anywhere, just a blank page. And I have changed my password three times, still with a blank page.  I delete my cookies regularly.

But thanks for trying.  xx
If you're intent on running a blog (horrible word) why not start a new free one with a different title but still using Wordpress?  Then you could probably provide a link to all your previous posts in the old one from there. Failing that, how about joining a Doxie appreciation club?...

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=dachshund+forum (https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=dachshund+forum)
Title: Re: Where is Brietta?
Post by: Eleanor on October 11, 2024, 10:09:45 AM
If you're intent on running a blog (horrible word) why not start a new free one with a different title but still using Wordpress?  Then you could probably provide a link to all your previous posts in the old one from there. Failing that, how about joining a Doxie appreciation club?...

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=dachshund+forum (https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=dachshund+forum)

I have more or less accepted that my Blog is done, perhaps for some reason that is beyond me.

Dachshund Appreciation? What's to say?  I love him half to death and he pees in the house a lot, especially when it's raining, which it does here, a lot. So don't have carpets.  The End.
Title: Re: Where is Brietta?
Post by: Eleanor on October 11, 2024, 05:37:52 PM

Brietta was threatened in some way some months ago and I commented on it on forum, if you remember.



Davel business was repeatedly threatened on forum.  Npne of you noticed it, but I did because of knowledge I had about him and where his business was located.

Eleanor has been badly treated with her blog being closed.
Also her exact address on Google Earth shown on forum.   Now that is a definite no go.   It prabably will be vanished now.

Me, too many things have happened to me to even attempt to list them.   A few are on forum, but most are at home znd if I listed them, you wouldn't believe me; they are so bizarre



Do hope that Brie is OK



WARNING

Never disxlose your name, personal details, address, phone numberm email address etc. on the forum.   Some strange folk around if you are a Mccann supporter

What address on Google Earth, Sadie?  Is it just The Village?  Lann Georges, if anyone is interested. But nothing passes unnoticed here.  There was a strange car lurking about but someone called The Gendarmes who turned up immediately. And the car departed tout de bloody suite.

But you see, these people don't frighten me and never have.  I will always be who I am.  Maureen Eleanor Eccles Lang, nee Mitchell .  Lann Georges. 56310. Melrand.  If anyone has tried then it is bloody pathetic.  One small child that I cared about. And still do. And her poor family. These people couldn't beat me because I am not afraid.

The Land of St. George. What a very strange place for me to finish up living in. Or perhaps not.
Title: Re: Where is Brietta?
Post by: The General on January 09, 2025, 03:21:15 PM
Did we ever get to the bottom of this?
Title: Re: Where is Brietta?
Post by: Wonderfulspam on April 08, 2026, 05:16:56 AM

I think maybe she might have died of embarrassment. Because if I had spent the best part of 6 years saying Brueckner would be charged one day & kept coming up empty handed I don't think I'd be able to show my face again either.
Title: Re: Where is Brietta?
Post by: Lace on April 09, 2026, 11:51:07 AM
I think maybe she might have died of embarrassment. Because if I had spent the best part of 6 years saying Brueckner would be charged one day & kept coming up empty handed I don't think I'd be able to show my face again either.


Even though you rant and rave it was Gerry the Smiths saw.   Don't see the McCann's getting charged actually I don't see the McCann's getting investigated unlike Brueckner.
Title: Re: Where is Brietta?
Post by: Wonderfulspam on April 09, 2026, 12:52:48 PM

Even though you rant and rave it was Gerry the Smiths saw.   Don't see the McCann's getting charged actually I don't see the McCann's getting investigated unlike Brueckner.

You're right. Mark Rowley has admitted that the only force that investigated the McCanns is the original PJ Investigation. SY ruled the McCanns out, without actually investigating them, according to the head of the MET.
Slightly strange way to carry out a very serious missing persons Investigation, wouldn't you Say?
Title: Re: Where is Brietta?
Post by: Lace on April 09, 2026, 05:56:01 PM
You're right. Mark Rowley has admitted that the only force that investigated the McCanns is the original PJ Investigation. SY ruled the McCanns out, without actually investigating them, according to the head of the MET.
Slightly strange way to carry out a very serious missing persons Investigation, wouldn't you Say?

The Portuguese investigated they were happy with that.
Title: Re: Where is Brietta?
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on April 09, 2026, 06:06:15 PM
The Met had the entire PJ files properly translated so that they could throw the whole lot in the bin unread presumably
Title: Re: Where is Brietta?
Post by: Wonderfulspam on April 09, 2026, 06:06:55 PM
The Portuguese investigated they were happy with that.

The Portuguese, who couldn't rule them out. So you're saying SY were able to rule out the McCanns, because the Portuguese didn't. Have you ever listened to yourself at all?
Title: Re: Where is Brietta?
Post by: Wonderfulspam on April 09, 2026, 06:08:26 PM
The Met had the entire PJ files properly translated so that they could throw the whole lot in the bin unread presumably

Well, is there any evidence Scotland Yard investigated the McCanns? Interviewed them? No there isn't. In fact, the head of the MET admitted they didn't.
Title: Re: Where is Brietta?
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on April 09, 2026, 06:57:17 PM
The very same files that WUMs and trolls and Conspiracy Theorists base their McCanns Dunnit theories on have been properly translated, read and scrutinized for follow up leads but apparently despite the fact that Met read all about the buttons and the PJs and the nipple twiddling they couldn?t immediately go and arrest the McCanns because David Cameron told them not to.  So that?s why they had to invent a stranger abductor.  Stands to reason when you think about it.
Title: Re: Where is Brietta?
Post by: Wonderfulspam on April 09, 2026, 07:05:04 PM
The very same files that WUMs and trolls and Conspiracy Theorists base their McCanns Dunnit theories on have been properly translated, read and scrutinized for follow up leads but apparently despite the fact that Met read all about the buttons and the PJs and the nipple twiddling they couldn?t immediately go and arrest the McCanns because David Cameron told them not to.  So that?s why they had to invent a stranger abductor.  Stands to reason when you think about it.

I knew there'd be another desperate appeal to authority today. Too too predictable.
Title: Re: Where is Brietta?
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on April 09, 2026, 08:13:04 PM
Yes, silly me for thinking that the Met would be able to read the same files as the troll and come to a different conclusion about what happened to Madeleine.  Obviously if they had read the files they could only have come to one conclusion and that is that The McCanns dunnit.  This proves that despite claiming they translated and analysed all 35000 pages, the Met obviously lied. and just spent all 13 years and ?14 million on playing golf and stuff instead.
Title: Re: Where is Brietta?
Post by: Wonderfulspam on April 09, 2026, 08:21:06 PM
Yes, silly me for thinking that the Met would be able to read the same files as the troll and come to a different conclusion about what happened to Madeleine.  Obviously if they had read the files they could only have come to one conclusion and that is that The McCanns dunnit.  This proves that despite claiming they translated and analysed all 35000 pages, the Met obviously lied. and just spent all 13 years and ?14 million on playing golf and stuff instead.

Quick question VS. Is there any evidence at all that Mr Coincidental trousers & his wife have been interviewed by the MET since the start of Operation Grange? Is there any evidence that they have been interviewed by Hans Wolters?
I can't find any. No times or dates. Nothing.
Title: Re: Where is Brietta?
Post by: Lace on April 10, 2026, 08:15:15 AM
The Portuguese, who couldn't rule them out. So you're saying SY were able to rule out the McCanns, because the Portuguese didn't. Have you ever listened to yourself at all?

They were ruled out it was Amaral who wrote a book saying the McCann's were guilty.  He was dismissed probably because he was making things up.
Title: Re: Where is Brietta?
Post by: Wonderfulspam on April 10, 2026, 08:43:04 AM
They were ruled out it was Amaral who wrote a book saying the McCann's were guilty.  He was dismissed probably because he was making things up.

It wasn't just him though was it. It was the opinion of the senior detectives working on the case including whats his name Tavares Almeida, I think.
Title: Re: Where is Brietta?
Post by: faithlilly on April 10, 2026, 11:10:34 AM
It wasn't just him though was it. It was the opinion of the senior detectives working on the case including whats his name Tavares Almeida, I think.

If the questioning of the parents and their friends was as tardy and incompetent as some suggest here surely it would have been imperative on SY to question them again properly?
Title: Re: Where is Brietta?
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on April 10, 2026, 05:29:48 PM
If the questioning of the parents and their friends was as tardy and incompetent as some suggest here surely it would have been imperative on SY to question them again properly?
What do you expect they could have added beyond what they told the police in their witness statements and rogatories that would have taken the case any further forward?  Do you imagine they would have caved in under the pressure of having to revisit it all over again? That said, if the Met police had questioned them about some of the strange anomalies that appeared in their non-verbatim twice translated statements giving the a chance to clarifyand correct any mistakes would you have believed a word?  Doubtful!
Title: Re: Where is Brietta?
Post by: faithlilly on April 10, 2026, 07:50:21 PM
What do you expect they could have added beyond what they told the police in their witness statements and rogatories that would have taken the case any further forward?  Do you imagine they would have caved in under the pressure of having to revisit it all over again? That said, if the Met police had questioned them about some of the strange anomalies that appeared in their non-verbatim twice translated statements giving the a chance to clarifyand correct any mistakes would you have believed a word?  Doubtful!

The parents didn't take part in the rogatories and Kate didn't answer 42 of her arguido questions.

Flattered as I am to live rent free in your head I'm sure SY wouldn't have cared what I thought of the parent's answers and if there was anomalies in the statements taken by the Portuguese police surely it would have been  prudent for SY to requestion them?
Title: Re: Where is Brietta?
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on April 10, 2026, 10:09:14 PM
The parents didn't take part in the rogatories and Kate didn't answer 42 of her arguido questions.

Flattered as I am to live rent free in your head I'm sure SY wouldn't have cared what I thought of the parent's answers and if there was anomalies in the statements taken by the Portuguese police surely it would have been  prudent for SY to requestion them?
What a very odd response.  If you were living rent free in my head I?d be calling for you to be evicted pdq.  Also I didn?t claim that SY would care what you thought, another odd remark.  None of the anomalies I?m referring to are particularly significant and I expect that if any were, a quick phone call or catch up meeting would soon iron them out, or are you claiming to know that the Met have never discussed any elements of the case with the McCanns in 13 years?
Title: Re: Where is Brietta?
Post by: faithlilly on April 10, 2026, 11:48:54 PM
What a very odd response.  If you were living rent free in my head I?d be calling for you to be evicted pdq.  Also I didn?t claim that SY would care what you thought, another odd remark.  None of the anomalies I?m referring to are particularly significant and I expect that if any were, a quick phone call or catch up meeting would soon iron them out, or are you claiming to know that the Met have never discussed any elements of the case with the McCanns in 13 years?

You said

'That said, if the Met police had questioned them about some of the strange anomalies that appeared in their non-verbatim twice translated statements giving the a chance to clarifyand correct any mistakes would you have believed a word?  Doubtful!'

It makes not one jot to the discussion, or to SY, what I think.

If you think that SY would informally discuss anomalies that appeared in the parents statements about Madeleine's disappearance then you are truly ignorant of how police investigations work.


The parents were never questioned about those anomalies as they were never investigated, a disgraceful dereliction of their duty towards a missing child.

Title: Re: Where is Brietta?
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on April 11, 2026, 07:13:55 AM
I know what I said Faithlilly, I wrote it.  Nowhere did I make the claim that anyone would give a shit what you thought , only that you probably would  find some spurious reasons to keep on doubting the veracity of anything they corrected - comprehension is not your strong point is it.
If you claim to know for a fact that the Met have never discussed any elements of the case with the McCanns then clearly you have insider information on Operation Grange which a mere mortal like me is not privy to.  I bow as always to your superiority.
Title: Re: Where is Brietta?
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on April 11, 2026, 07:59:26 AM
Operation Grange assigned the McCanns a Family Liaison Officer who they still have apparently.  One of the roles of a FLO is as a conduit of information between victims? families and the gathering and dissemination of information regarding the investigation.  Moreover we know that the Met also spoke to The Smiths as part of their investigation so to claim that the Met has not sought any further clarity about points raised in the initial investigation is a load of crap imo.
Title: Re: Where is Brietta?
Post by: Wonderfulspam on April 11, 2026, 08:04:51 AM
Operation Grange assigned the McCanns a Family Liaison Officer who they still have apparently.  One of the roles of a FLO is as a conduit of information between victims? families and the gathering and dissemination of information regarding the investigation.  Moreover we know that the Met also spoke to The Smiths as part of their investigation so to claim that the Met has not sought any further clarity about points raised in the initial investigation is a load of crap imo.

Well, in the absence of evidence that they have been, we just have to believe the McCanns have been thoroughly re-interviewed by detectives. It appears. Just like we have to believe the MET found some evidence of abduction. The only evidence of abduction they have shown however is the Smith sighting.
Title: Re: Where is Brietta?
Post by: faithlilly on April 11, 2026, 10:20:56 AM
I know what I said Faithlilly, I wrote it.  Nowhere did I make the claim that anyone would give a shit what you thought , only that you probably would  find some spurious reasons to keep on doubting the veracity of anything they corrected - comprehension is not your strong point is it.
If you claim to know for a fact that the Met have never discussed any elements of the case with the McCanns then clearly you have insider information on Operation Grange which a mere mortal like me is not privy to.  I bow as always to your superiority.

You are right, I would doubt the veracity of any changes the parents made at this juncture to their statements, as would any competent police officer. It has nothing to do with comprehension.