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Alleged Miscarriages of Justice => Jeremy Bamber and the callous murder of his father, mother, sister and twin nephews. Case effectively CLOSED by CCRC on basis of NO APPEAL REFERRAL. => Topic started by: John on November 02, 2025, 01:22:11 PM
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This week, audio footage was released by the New Yorker magazine, which seemed to exonerate Bamber, who has been in prison for 40 years. Could this lead to his release?
In the millions of pages disclosed to Jeremy Bamber over the decades, in his bid to prove his innocence of one of the 20th century’s most notorious crimes, PC Nick Milbank is barely mentioned. But this week, new evidence emerged that the late police officer held an essential clue to what happened on the night of the massacre at Whitehouse Farm on 7 August 1985.
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https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/nov/02/the-jeremy-bamber-twist-does-britains-most-notorious-murderer-finally-have-an-alibi
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I never have been sure of his guilt. But what is likely to happen now?
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I don’t see how a call made at 6.09am in which no one actually speaks exonerates JB, can someone please explain?
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I don’t see how a call made at 6.09am in which no one actually speaks exonerates JB, can someone please explain?
Someone was still alive in that house. Bamber was outside in police custody.
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Someone was still alive in that house. Bamber was outside in police custody.
He wasn’t in custody at that point but he was with them outside the house. However, the call (if one were actually made) could have been made by a victim who momentarily regained consciousness before collapsing again and dying. No gunshot was heard while police were outside the house so all shots had already been fired by the time they arrived. I don’t see how this alleged phone call proves Bamber is innocent. I thought it all hinged on the alleged aga burns anyway? Where’s Blogs?
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He wasn’t in custody at that point but he was with them outside the house. However, the call (if one were actually made) could have been made by a victim who momentarily regained consciousness before collapsing again and dying. No gunshot was heard while police were outside the house so all shots had already been fired by the time they arrived. I don’t see how this alleged phone call proves Bamber is innocent. I thought it all hinged on the alleged aga burns anyway? Where’s Blogs?
Yes, I certainly believe the Aga evidence is important for Bamber if accepted, Vertigo!
As far as the phone call at 6.09 is concerned, only Sheila could have made it before shooting herself, Nevill and June had too many head shots to try calling anyone. Besides, June was found upstairs where there was no phone.
So no, if a call was made, the only person that could have made it was Sheila before shooting herself, Vertigo!
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Yes, I certainly believe the Aga evidence is important for Bamber if accepted, Vertigo!
As far as the phone call at 6.09 is concerned, only Sheila could have made it before shooting herself, Nevill and June had too many head shots to try calling anyone. Besides, June was found upstairs where there was no phone.
So no, if a call was made, the only person that could have made it was Sheila before shooting herself, Vertigo!
If it was Sheila 1)why make the call in the first place? 2) why make the call but then say nothing discernable 3) why did noone hear the final gunshot?
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If it was Sheila 1)why make the call in the first place? 2) why make the call but then say nothing discernable 3) why did noone hear the final gunshot?
I cant answer any of you're three points, Vertigo!
But the fact remains, Sheila and only Sheila could have made a phone call from inside WHF at 6.09!
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I cant answer any of you're three points, Vertigo!
But the fact remains, Sheila and only Sheila could have made a phone call from inside WHF at 6.09!
None of it makes sense. The only thing that does make sense is that 40 years after the event Milbank got his facts wrong. If he’d known all those years that Bamber could not have committed the crime because of the phone call why on earth didn’t he speak up sooner?
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None of it makes sense. The only thing that does make sense is that 40 years after the event Milbank got his facts wrong. If he’d known all those years that Bamber could not have committed the crime because of the phone call why on earth didn’t he speak up sooner?
Thats what we all want to know, Vertigo!
Hopefully Heidi Blake got to the bottom of things in her interview, lets see what she comes up with!
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I’m afraid I find Milbank’s account hard to make sense of. Someone within the house calls 999, then says nothing distinctive but moves away from the phone to apparently move the furniture, and maybe switch on the radio. No sound of gunshot is heard either over the phone or by the numerous individuals outside the house. Moreover if this was Sheila, she would have been dead only an hour or so before the police discovered her body and it would probably still have been warm, was this observed by anybody at the crime scene? Is there an actual log for this 6.09am call? If not, why not? So many questions, and no logical answers.
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I’m afraid I find Milward’s account hard to make sense of. Someone within the house calls 999, then says nothing distinctive but moves away from the phone to apparently move the furniture, and maybe switch on the radio. No sound of gunshot is heard either over the phone or by the numerous individuals outside the house. Moreover if this was Sheila, she would have been dead only an hour or so before the police discovered her body and it would probably still have been warm, was this observed by anybody at the crime scene? Is there an actual log for this 6.09am call? If not, why not? So many questions, and no logical answers.
Yes, there are many points that need clarifying regarding the Milbank call.
Why do you think a gunshot would be heard over the phone, Vertigo?
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Yes, there are many points that need clarifying regarding the Milbank call.
Why do you think a gunshot would be heard over the phone, Vertigo?
Why not? The phone was supposedly left off the hook wasn’t it?
Think about it. This alleged 6.09am phonecall would have been a massive piece of evidence. Why does it not feature as an aspect of the early investigation before JB was even in the frame for the murders? How did Milbank manage not to mention this to any of his superiors when they were investigating the apparent murder / suicide committed by Sheila Bamber? You might have thought he’d mention the fact that he’d taken a call from her to someone at some point, but no, it takes 17 years before this apparently enormous clue is revealed.
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The whole investigation was such a mess that I had trouble sorting out what was going on. And of course, The Police were far too keen on stitching people up in those days.
This is definitely cause to reopen the Investigation, In My Opinion.
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Yes, I certainly believe the Aga evidence is important for Bamber if accepted, Vertigo!
As far as the phone call at 6.09 is concerned, only Sheila could have made it before shooting herself, Nevill and June had too many head shots to try calling anyone. Besides, June was found upstairs where there was no phone.
So no, if a call was made, the only person that could have made it was Sheila before shooting herself, Vertigo!
Could she have shot herself prior to this but not died immediately ?
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The whole investigation was such a mess that I had trouble sorting out what was going on. And of course, The Police were far too keen on stitching people up in those days.
This is definitely cause to reopen the Investigation, In My Opinion.
But initially they were convinced it was a murder suicide and there would have been no need to pretend this alleged 6.09am call didn’t happen. The house was surrounded by people all intent on discovering what was going on in it, yet none of them noticed the final shotgun blast? Unlikely imo.
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Could she have shot herself prior to this but not died immediately ?
Do you mean shot herself twice, then got up again to make a phonecall before returning to her final resting place to cradle the gun in her arms?
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Could she have shot herself prior to this but not died immediately ?
Unlikely, Jassi, the blood would have run right down her body if she was standing and there was no trail of blood back up to the bedroom from the kitchen either.
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But initially they were convinced it was a murder suicide and there would have been no need to pretend this alleged 6.09am call didn’t happen. The house was surrounded by people all intent on discovering what was going on in it, yet none of them noticed the final shotgun blast? Unlikely imo.
Remember it was a relatively quiet weapon even without the silencer, Vertigo, and Sheila shot herself upstairs at the far side of the bed in the main bedroom.
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Why not? The phone was supposedly left off the hook wasn’t it?
Think about it. This alleged 6.09am phonecall would have been a massive piece of evidence. Why does it not feature as an aspect of the early investigation before JB was even in the frame for the murders? How did Milward manage not to mention this to any of his superiors when they were investigating the apparent murder / suicide committed by Sheila Bamber? You might have thought he’d mention the fact that he’d taken a call from her to someone at some point, but no, it takes 17 years before this apparently enormous clue is revealed.
Yes, thats why everyone is skeptical at the moment before seeing/hearing the Milbank interview!
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Remember it was a relatively quiet weapon even without the silencer, Vertigo, and Sheila shot herself upstairs at the far side of the bed in the main bedroom.
Relatively quiet compared to what? An AK47? The house was surrounded by professionals on high alert for any signs of activity within and not one of them heard anything resembling a shotgun going off? I don’t think that’s likely myself. Even Bamber himself who would have been very familiar with the noise of that gun going off didn’t hear it.
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Relatively quiet compared to what? An AK47? The house was surrounded by professionals on high alert for any signs of activity within and not one of them heard anything resembling a shotgun going off? I don’t think that’s likely myself. Even Bamber himself who would have been very familiar with the noise of that gun going off didn’t hear it.
It was an Anschutz rifle and it fired little .22 bullets from a magazine. A shotgun to me is a weapon that fires cartridges with balls of shot inside.
JB wasn't allowed near the house, he was put into the barn for safety,
BUT!! The bedroom window in the main bedroom where Sheila was found was open three inches, so you may have a point, Vertigo!
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If the police received a call at 6.09am then why didn't they attempt to enter the house at that point?
Yet it takes 17 years for this to be revealed, the whole thing sounds fishy to me.
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If the police received a call at 6.09am then why didn't they attempt to enter the house at that point?
Yet it takes 17 years for this to be revealed, the whole thing sounds fishy to me.
Presumably because the person who took the call decided to keep it to themselves rather than inform their colleagues who were waiting outside the house at the time.
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Is this his new my Dad called the police, when it was two logs of West speaking to MB at HQIR. Is the 999 call in-fact the GPO switching the open house phone to the 999 system to HQIR so they could listen in. As stated in the logs at 06:06, so how could a 999 call be made on an open system that is being monitored ??
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Burrell's 1985 WS says Millbank took over the monitoring of the open line at WHF at 6.09am.
The New Yorker is twisting it to say Millbank took a call from WHF at 6.09am. The caller then not speaking.
Been dismissed by the CCRC but has given The New Yorker publicity & got the CT excited again.
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Burrell's 1985 WS says Millbank took over the monitoring of the open line at WHF at 6.09am.
The New Yorker is twisting it to say Millbank took a call from WHF at 6.09am. The caller then not speaking.
Been dismissed by the CCRC but has given The New Yorker publicity & got the CT excited again.
I'm a bit rusty on the facts after so many years but I tend to agree.
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I haven't read the New Yorker article, and have only scan read this thread.
but the common theme coming up again and again is the 6.09 phone call from WHF to emergency services (999)
But this fact is recorded on the phone logs where the open line in WHF which was being monitored by a BT operative from around 4:00 am, until 6:09, when the Police asked BT to divert the line to HQIR (999).
HQIR (999) stands for Headquarters Information room, and it's where 999 calls are received, and where emergencies are co-ordinated from.
This is clearly documented on 2 of the phone logs, both of which I believe are hosted on this website.
Before I got banned from the Blue Forum, I stumbled across an old post from 2013 where Mike Tesko (I believe that was his name) had uploaded the witness statement of the police officer who instructed the divert on the line, and it was very clear in that statement that the 6:09 emergency call was executed when the BT engineer diverted the open line from WTF to HQIR (999) so that the police could monitor it rather than the BT engineer (or as well as the BT engineer)
And that is backed up by the call logs that were written live as the situation unfolded on the night.
The New Yorker magazine will be in cahoots with Jeremy Bambers Campaign team, and will have zero access to the official evidence held by the police.
Jeremy Bamber has in the past, via his legal representation and campaign team, created fake wet blood photos in his attempt to 'prove' that Sheila was still alive when the police entered the building.
So he has 40 years of experience in faking evidence from his police cell.
We know that anyone that supports Jeremy Bamber, including Peter Tatchell, tends to blindly repeat Jeremy Bambers lies, making them sound like the gospel truth. But they are still lies.
The CCRC have access to all the evidence, and they will have all the witness statements from that time, and they will correctly interpret the entries on those call logs.
The BT staff who were involved will also have given statements and probably appeared as witnesses to. That will all be available to the CCRC.
These are facts that cannot be denied. They are written in stone and unmovable. At least as far as the law is concerned.
The 6:09 call is just another Bamber lie, based on a nugget of truth.
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Oh dear. This does put rather a dent in the New Yorker’s credibility as a serious investigative journal. Time to roll out the aga burns again and sweep the 6.09am 999 call under the carpet, nothing to see here…
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Oh dear. This does put rather a dent in the New Yorker’s credibility as a serious investigative journal. Time to roll out the aga burns again and sweep the 6.09am 999 call under the carpet, nothing to see here…
Well lets just wait and see exactly what Milbank said in the interview before we attack anyone's credibility, Vertigo!
I thought about subscribing to the New Yorker to hear it right now, BUT!! Greed kept me allright there!