Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: faithlilly on June 02, 2013, 11:59:28 AM
Title: Why don't the McCanns put up Madeleine posters abroad like they ask of others?
Post by: faithlilly on June 02, 2013, 11:59:28 AM
If Kate McCann wants holidaymakers to keep Madeleine in the forefront of people's minds why didn't she, on her recent trip to PDL, take age progressed posters with her and put them up wherever she could ?
We are told in the article above that there are no reminders of Madeleine in the town so why wasn't that rectified by Kate when she visited ?
We had a rather more subtle suggestion last week that the family were still carrying on with their own investigation, which of course would need money to fund it. This week there's no subtlety. You can download posters, for free, from the internet, yet we are not told this. What this article seems to be about is bringing money into the fund, and with the SY review now taking place and no expensive awareness initiatives planned you have to ask yourself why the money is needed ?
Title: Re: Why don't the McCanns put up Madeleine posters abroad like they ask of others?
Post by: xtina on June 02, 2013, 01:07:00 PM
in a sentence .............IMO.to pay legal fees and protect there image
Title: Re: Why don't the McCanns put up Madeleine posters abroad like they ask of others?
Post by: faithlilly on June 02, 2013, 01:37:15 PM
We are told in the article above that there are no reminders of Madeleine in the town so why wasn't that rectified by Kate when she visited ?
How do you know she didn't take posters with her out of interest?
Isn't it possible that posters were put up and then removed again by disgruntled locals or owners of holiday businesses who don't wish the punters to be reminded that there is still an abductor on the loose?
It's a possibility you have to admit!
If they had been don't you think it would have been reported, as it was when Madeleine's poster was defaced ?
I'm afraid you really are clutching at straws now Martha.
Title: Re: Why don't the McCanns put up Madeleine posters abroad like they ask of others?
Post by: ferryman on June 02, 2013, 01:54:22 PM
In my opinion a better question for "Faithlilly" to ask herself is why, if the McCanns are involved in the disappearance of their daughter, they are a) still making trips to Portugal and b) still seemingly keen to keep on with the investigation into their daughter's disappearance, even (according to "Faithlilly" herself) re-hiring detectives?
The answer is obvious.
The McCanns are desperate for the various agencies of law enforcement (British and/or Portuguese) to uncover the proof of their (the McCanns') guilt, silly ...
Title: Re: Why don't the McCanns put up Madeleine posters abroad like they ask of others?
Post by: faithlilly on June 02, 2013, 02:05:14 PM
We are told in the article above that there are no reminders of Madeleine in the town so why wasn't that rectified by Kate when she visited ?
How do you know she didn't take posters with her out of interest?
Isn't it possible that posters were put up and then removed again by disgruntled locals or owners of holiday businesses who don't wish the punters to be reminded that there is still an abductor on the loose?
It's a possibility you have to admit!
If they had been don't you think it would have been reported, as it was when Madeleine's poster was defaced ?
I'm afraid you really are clutching at straws now Martha.
Are you saying it is an impossibility that posters put up in windows were not quietly removed once Kate had left PdL - on what basis do you arrive at this conclusion? Just because the Express didn't report it? Oh dear, talk about straw clutching.... @)(++(*
No posters on the church noticeboard ? No posters in the shops of, what we are told, supportive ex-pats ? No mention of Kate pinning up posters, even though her visit was covered extensively in several newspapers ? No mention of leaflets handed out ? In fact no capitalising at all on a ready-made photo opportunity to raise awareness.
No, I don't think you believe that either.
Title: Re: Why don't the McCanns put up Madeleine posters abroad like they ask of others?
Post by: faithlilly on June 02, 2013, 02:06:13 PM
Re the holiday packs which contain "10 posters showing Madeleine as she would look today with the message “Have you seen me?” in English, two luggage tags, two wallet cards and a car sticker" - these sell for £1.75.
How much profit do you imagine the McCanns might make selling these in order to put towards their "litigation fund"?
Who knows.
Title: Re: Why don't the McCanns put up Madeleine posters abroad like they ask of others?
Post by: Puffin on June 02, 2013, 02:08:04 PM
We are told in the article above that there are no reminders of Madeleine in the town so why wasn't that rectified by Kate when she visited ?
How do you know she didn't take posters with her out of interest?
Isn't it possible that posters were put up and then removed again by disgruntled locals or owners of holiday businesses who don't wish the punters to be reminded that there is still an abductor on the loose?
It's a possibility you have to admit!
If they had been don't you think it would have been reported, as it was when Madeleine's poster was defaced ?
I'm afraid you really are clutching at straws now Martha.
Are you saying it is an impossibility that posters put up in windows were not quietly removed once Kate had left PdL - on what basis do you arrive at this conclusion? Just because the Express didn't report it? Oh dear, talk about straw clutching.... @)(++(*
I am sure someone once told me that if you want to stick up posters in the UK you need permission,though I may be wrong. Maybe you need permission in Portugal. Anyone know about this?
Title: Re: Why don't the McCanns put up Madeleine posters abroad like they ask of others?
Post by: faithlilly on June 02, 2013, 02:11:15 PM
We are told in the article above that there are no reminders of Madeleine in the town so why wasn't that rectified by Kate when she visited ?
How do you know she didn't take posters with her out of interest?
Isn't it possible that posters were put up and then removed again by disgruntled locals or owners of holiday businesses who don't wish the punters to be reminded that there is still an abductor on the loose?
It's a possibility you have to admit!
If they had been don't you think it would have been reported, as it was when Madeleine's poster was defaced ?
I'm afraid you really are clutching at straws now Martha.
Are you saying it is an impossibility that posters put up in windows were not quietly removed once Kate had left PdL - on what basis do you arrive at this conclusion? Just because the Express didn't report it? Oh dear, talk about straw clutching.... @)(++(*
I am sure someone once told me that if you want to stick up posters in the UK you need permission,though I may be wrong. Maybe you need permission in Portugal. Anyone know about this?
And, if permission was needed, which i don't think for one minute it was, it couldn't have been sought before she travelled ?
Title: Re: Why don't the McCanns put up Madeleine posters abroad like they ask of others?
Post by: Puffin on June 02, 2013, 02:16:48 PM
We are told in the article above that there are no reminders of Madeleine in the town so why wasn't that rectified by Kate when she visited ?
How do you know she didn't take posters with her out of interest?
Isn't it possible that posters were put up and then removed again by disgruntled locals or owners of holiday businesses who don't wish the punters to be reminded that there is still an abductor on the loose?
It's a possibility you have to admit!
If they had been don't you think it would have been reported, as it was when Madeleine's poster was defaced ?
I'm afraid you really are clutching at straws now Martha.
Are you saying it is an impossibility that posters put up in windows were not quietly removed once Kate had left PdL - on what basis do you arrive at this conclusion? Just because the Express didn't report it? Oh dear, talk about straw clutching.... @)(++(*
I am sure someone once told me that if you want to stick up posters in the UK you need permission,though I may be wrong. Maybe you need permission in Portugal. Anyone know about this?
And, if permission was needed, which i don't think for one minute it was, it couldn't have been sought before she travelled ?
I don't know or I wouldn't have asked. I just wondered if anyone knew.
Title: Re: Why don't the McCanns put up Madeleine posters abroad like they ask of others?
Post by: DCI on June 02, 2013, 02:20:10 PM
We are told in the article above that there are no reminders of Madeleine in the town so why wasn't that rectified by Kate when she visited ?
How do you know she didn't take posters with her out of interest?
Isn't it possible that posters were put up and then removed again by disgruntled locals or owners of holiday businesses who don't wish the punters to be reminded that there is still an abductor on the loose?
It's a possibility you have to admit!
If they had been don't you think it would have been reported, as it was when Madeleine's poster was defaced ?
I'm afraid you really are clutching at straws now Martha.
Like this one was. And the ones some cretin from 3A's, was telling all to rip them down. I'm sure she knows who she is!
Re the holiday packs which contain "10 posters showing Madeleine as she would look today with the message “Have you seen me?” in English, two luggage tags, two wallet cards and a car sticker" - these sell for £1.75.
How much profit do you imagine the McCanns might make selling these in order to put towards their "litigation fund"?
Who knows.
Well can't you even have an educated guess?!
No.
Title: Re: Why don't the McCanns put up Madeleine posters abroad like they ask of others?
Post by: faithlilly on June 02, 2013, 02:50:34 PM
Re the holiday packs which contain "10 posters showing Madeleine as she would look today with the message “Have you seen me?” in English, two luggage tags, two wallet cards and a car sticker" - these sell for £1.75.
How much profit do you imagine the McCanns might make selling these in order to put towards their "litigation fund"?
Who knows.
Well can't you even have an educated guess?!
No.
Why ever not? I thought you were supposed to be intelligent! £1.75 for 15 items is 11p per unit. Do you think they are making much profit on them?
As they say on all the best adverts, every little helps !!
Title: Re: Why don't the McCanns put up Madeleine posters abroad like they ask of others?
Post by: faithlilly on June 02, 2013, 02:59:27 PM
Here's the thing. If keeping awareness of Madeleine's plight high is now the only purpose of the fund, why not give the packs out for free ? Donations will pay for the printing of the packs and their postage and that they're free will,in turn, encourage more people to display them.
Good idea ?
Title: Re: Why don't the McCanns put up Madeleine posters abroad like they ask of others?
Post by: faithlilly on June 02, 2013, 04:04:24 PM
In my opinion a better question for "Faithlilly" to ask herself is why, if the McCanns are involved in the disappearance of their daughter, they are a) still making trips to Portugal and b) still seemingly keen to keep on with the investigation into their daughter's disappearance, even (according to "Faithlilly" herself) re-hiring detectives?
I wonder, "Faithlilly" if you have had a chance to ask yourself the question I posed to you above? It seems far more pertinent than the lame one you posted in your OP.
I know you are used to 'steering' the agenda on your partisan forums but this is not one of those. Your question is off topic and therefore I am not obliged to answer it. If you want to ask me a question can I suggest you start a thread of your own where I may, or may not, choose to answer it.
Title: Re: Why don't the McCanns put up Madeleine posters abroad like they ask of others?
Post by: Mo Stache on June 02, 2013, 04:05:04 PM
If Kate McCann had been photographed and reportedly been seen putting up posters during her last visit to Portugal, I am sure we would have had a thread here criticising her for doing so. They damned if they do and they damned if they don't.
Ever thought that the campaign in conjunction with Scotland Yard might be working on new age generated posters and they would rather have them up, in the near future, than the present ones? Or some other reason not made public?
Title: Re: Why don't the McCanns put up Madeleine posters abroad like they ask of others?
Post by: amaraltheofficeboy on June 02, 2013, 04:06:48 PM
faith have you been to PDL lately and seen what or what not is shown of Madeleine there?
Title: Re: Why don't the McCanns put up Madeleine posters abroad like they ask of others?
Post by: amaraltheofficeboy on June 02, 2013, 04:09:00 PM
If Kate McCann wants holidaymakers to keep Madeleine in the forefront of people's minds why didn't she, on her recent trip to PDL, take age progressed posters with her and put them up wherever she could ?
We are told in the article above that there are no reminders of Madeleine in the town so why wasn't that rectified by Kate when she visited ?
We had a rather more subtle suggestion last week that the family were still carrying on with their own investigation, which of course would need money to fund it. This week there's no subtlety. You can download posters, for free, from the internet, yet we are not told this. What this article seems to be about is bringing money into the fund, and with the SY review now taking place and no expensive awareness initiatives planned you have to ask yourself why the money is needed ?
this is a very speculative post without any real knowledge apart from a newspaper argument.
A lot of "seem" "if" "suggestion" and asking oneself questions.
Title: Re: Why don't the McCanns put up Madeleine posters abroad like they ask of others?
Post by: amaraltheofficeboy on June 02, 2013, 04:09:51 PM
real knowledge rather than guesswork would be much better wouldn't it?
Title: Re: Why don't the McCanns put up Madeleine posters abroad like they ask of others?
Post by: xtina on June 02, 2013, 04:11:39 PM
Note the use of the word "stripped" by the way, the implication being that these have been forcibly removed. Why would residents of PdL strip the town of posters of Madeleine - it's not a very caring or considerate thing to do is it?
perhaps they dont believe the abduction theory ...or i should have said obviously they dont
Title: Re: Why don't the McCanns put up Madeleine posters abroad like they ask of others?
Post by: amaraltheofficeboy on June 02, 2013, 04:13:24 PM
from another thread
Quote
Faithlilly Cards on the table. Do you believe this information ?
but yet seemingly relies on the Express when it suits an agenda.
Title: Re: Why don't the McCanns put up Madeleine posters abroad like they ask of others?
Post by: Mo Stache on June 02, 2013, 04:14:20 PM
Even if some don't believe the abduction theory, does that give them the right to destroy posters of Madeleine?
Title: Re: Why don't the McCanns put up Madeleine posters abroad like they ask of others?
Post by: amaraltheofficeboy on June 02, 2013, 04:15:20 PM
Note the use of the word "stripped" by the way, the implication being that these have been forcibly removed. Why would residents of PdL strip the town of posters of Madeleine - it's not a very caring or considerate thing to do is it?
perhaps they dont believe the abduction theory ...or i should have said obviously they dont
you started off be saying "perhaps" and then moved on to saying "obviously they don't"?
Title: Re: Why don't the McCanns put up Madeleine posters abroad like they ask of others?
Post by: amaraltheofficeboy on June 02, 2013, 04:16:51 PM
I can fully understand why a tourist town would not want posters reminding them of an unsolved incident being posted everywhere.
Title: Re: Why don't the McCanns put up Madeleine posters abroad like they ask of others?
Post by: Mrs. B on June 02, 2013, 04:22:40 PM
Yes, I can understand that sentiment too, they're struggling as it is, the last thing they need are reminders plastered all over the place.
Title: Re: Why don't the McCanns put up Madeleine posters abroad like they ask of others?
Post by: faithlilly on June 02, 2013, 04:24:24 PM
If Kate McCann had been photographed and reportedly been seen putting up posters during her last visit to Portugal, I am sure we would have had a thread here criticising her for doing so. They damned if they do and they damned if they don't.
Ever thought that the campaign in conjunction with Scotland Yard might be working on new age generated posters and they would rather have them up, in the near future, than the present ones? Or some other reason not made public?
The campaign is still selling t-shirts with a 3 year old Madeleine on them. When asked why this was, a concerned Facebook member was told the t-shirts would be updated once the old ones had sold out so, to answer your question, no I haven't ever thought that.
Title: Re: Why don't the McCanns put up Madeleine posters abroad like they ask of others?
Post by: amaraltheofficeboy on June 02, 2013, 04:27:17 PM
What was the concerned Facebook member "concerned" about?
Title: Re: Why don't the McCanns put up Madeleine posters abroad like they ask of others?
Post by: Mo Stache on June 02, 2013, 04:27:55 PM
In my opinion posters’ being removed for whatever reason is far more acceptable than intentionally going around and vandalising posters and leaving them up, defaced, to 'prove a point' or send a message.
Title: Re: Why don't the McCanns put up Madeleine posters abroad like they ask of others?
Post by: faithlilly on June 02, 2013, 04:29:57 PM
In my opinion a better question for "Faithlilly" to ask herself is why, if the McCanns are involved in the disappearance of their daughter, they are a) still making trips to Portugal and b) still seemingly keen to keep on with the investigation into their daughter's disappearance, even (according to "Faithlilly" herself) re-hiring detectives?
I wonder, "Faithlilly" if you have had a chance to ask yourself the question I posed to you above? It seems far more pertinent than the lame one you posted in your OP.
I know you are used to 'steering' the agenda on your partisan forums but this is not one of those. Your question is off topic and therefore I am not obliged to answer it. If you want to ask me a question can I suggest you start a thread of your own where I may, or may not, choose to answer it.
@)(++(*
I thought the topic of this thread was "If Kate McCann..."?
If Kate McCann was involved in her child's disappearance why does she persist in returning to PdL and why has she apparently (according to you) re-hired private investigators to investigate her child's disappearance?
I don't expect a response to this question obviously! @)(++(*
That's great because obviously I wouldn't want you to be disappointed 8(>((
Title: Re: Why don't the McCanns put up Madeleine posters abroad like they ask of others?
Post by: amaraltheofficeboy on June 02, 2013, 04:31:48 PM
so you are an Express believer then faith?
Title: Re: Why don't the McCanns put up Madeleine posters abroad like they ask of others?
Post by: xtina on June 02, 2013, 04:32:09 PM
Note the use of the word "stripped" by the way, the implication being that these have been forcibly removed. Why would residents of PdL strip the town of posters of Madeleine - it's not a very caring or considerate thing to do is it?
perhaps they dont believe the abduction theory ...or i should have said obviously they dont
you started off be saying "perhaps" and then moved on to saying "obviously they don't"?
yes i should have left out the perhaps ...quite obvious what i meant though i would have thought ...
Title: Re: Why don't the McCanns put up Madeleine posters abroad like they ask of others?
Post by: faithlilly on June 02, 2013, 04:32:42 PM
Even if some don't believe the abduction theory, does that give them the right to destroy posters of Madeleine?
These posters could even act as a trigger to remind someone in PdL who saw the poor child being carried through the streets by moderated on the evening of 3rd May couldn't they?! 8(0(*
If the posters are being removed it's because the people of PdL just don't want to be reminded of a horrible incident in their recent past. Many residents may even harbour deep resentment and/or suspicion towards the McCanns. Maybe that's why any posters Kate and her supporters may have put up didn't last very long.
May have ? @)(++(*
Title: Re: Why don't the McCanns put up Madeleine posters abroad like they ask of others?
Post by: faithlilly on June 02, 2013, 04:41:41 PM
Most of the newspapers reported Kate's recent visit to PDL yet not one of them mentioned her putting up posters while there. Praying aplenty and catching up with SH but no raising awareness by the pinning up of posters.
So in answer to your question, no I'm not an Express believer but I am a believer in weight of evidence.
Title: Re: Why don't the McCanns put up Madeleine posters abroad like they ask of others?
Post by: John on June 02, 2013, 04:47:33 PM
If Kate McCann wants holidaymakers to keep Madeleine in the forefront of people's minds why didn't she, on her recent trip to PDL, take age progressed posters with her and put them up wherever she could ?
We are told in the article above that there are no reminders of Madeleine in the town so why wasn't that rectified by Kate when she visited ?
We had a rather more subtle suggestion last week that the family were still carrying on with their own investigation, which of course would need money to fund it. This week there's no subtlety. You can download posters, for free, from the internet, yet we are not told this. What this article seems to be about is bringing money into the fund, and with the SY review now taking place and no expensive awareness initiatives planned you have to ask yourself why the money is needed ?
A timely article Faithlilly, thanks for putting it up.
Some very good points are being raised about this whole issue. I especially like the comment attributed to Gerry where he allegedly said SY were doing a "brillant job". Brillant at what exactly?
If Kate McCann wants holidaymakers to keep Madeleine in the forefront of people's minds why didn't she, on her recent trip to PDL, take age progressed posters with her and put them up wherever she could ?
We are told in the article above that there are no reminders of Madeleine in the town so why wasn't that rectified by Kate when she visited ?
We had a rather more subtle suggestion last week that the family were still carrying on with their own investigation, which of course would need money to fund it. This week there's no subtlety. You can download posters, for free, from the internet, yet we are not told this. What this article seems to be about is bringing money into the fund, and with the SY review now taking place and no expensive awareness initiatives planned you have to ask yourself why the money is needed ?
A timely article Faithlilly, thanks for putting it up.
Some very good points are being raised about this whole issue. I especially like the comment attributed to Gerry where he allegedly said SY were doing a "brillant job". Brillant at what exactly?
time will tell
until then - enjoy The Express.
Title: Re: Why don't the McCanns put up Madeleine posters abroad like they ask of others?
Post by: faithlilly on June 02, 2013, 05:02:28 PM
The tabloid failed to report something happening ergo it could not have happened. This is the crazy logic we are dealing with here.
When the article is about posters and raising awareness you would think that that newspaper, or any other that reported Kate's visit, would mention if she had put up any herself.
Title: Re: Why don't the McCanns put up Madeleine posters abroad like they ask of others?
Post by: Mo Stache on June 02, 2013, 05:04:48 PM
The tabloid failed to report something happening ergo it could not have happened. This is the crazy logic we are dealing with here.
When the article is about posters and raising awareness you would think that that newspaper, or any other that reported Kate's visit, would mention if she had put up any herself.
What if she did put up posters but it wasn't reported?
Title: Re: Why don't the McCanns put up Madeleine posters abroad like they ask of others?
Post by: sadie on June 02, 2013, 05:14:28 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCPj0h4cTow&feature=youtube_gdata_player From 6.30
Puzzling why Mitchell would comment on this and why the paper didnt give a link to the OFM FB page where you can also download free posters in various languages under the HTFM link
While I understand the argument that millions were given to the fund to help the search but the Mccanns decided it was a good idea to actually charge people for things like tshirts bands and posters, somethng they started to do in June 2007 when the fund was over a million quid, it would actually turn out cheaper if anyone wanted to put up posters, to pay the 1.75 as printing off 10 posters in colour and the other items on their home printers probably costs more
Title: Re: Why don't the McCanns put up Madeleine posters abroad like they ask of others?
Post by: faithlilly on June 02, 2013, 05:19:54 PM
don't ya just love these speculative "I don't know but let's comment on it anyway" threads
The tabloid failed to report something happening ergo it could not have happened. This is the crazy logic we are dealing with here.
When the article is about posters and raising awareness you would think that that newspaper, or any other that reported Kate's visit, would mention if she had put up any herself.
What if she did put up posters but it wasn't reported?
And what if she just didn't put any up ?
Title: Re: Why don't the McCanns put up Madeleine posters abroad like they ask of others?
Post by: sadie on June 02, 2013, 05:24:15 PM
BUMPED and AMENDED My apologies
Have re-read old info and find that I have remembered incorrectly ... my apologies
not a cry for help at all - who would you be referring to?
the point is that this pleasant little thread of yours is based on you imagination and guesses.
This thread is my extrapolation of several newspaper articles, the Express amongst them. It is a legitimate debating tool and is used, in the same way, by many other posters here.
Title: Re: Why don't the McCanns put up Madeleine posters abroad like they ask of others?
Post by: amaraltheofficeboy on June 02, 2013, 05:55:28 PM
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Faithlilly
This thread is my extrapolation of several newspaper articles, the Express amongst them. It is a legitimate debating tool and is used, in the same way, by many other posters here.
you mean it is a speculative tool from guesswork
If you want to believe newspaper articles as genuine debating tools and guess what they mean then this thread is not accurate is it?
Title: Re: Why don't the McCanns put up Madeleine posters abroad like they ask of others?
Post by: sadie on June 02, 2013, 06:00:36 PM
don't ya just love these speculative "I don't know but let's comment on it anyway" threads
The tabloid failed to report something happening ergo it could not have happened. This is the crazy logic we are dealing with here.
When the article is about posters and raising awareness you would think that that newspaper, or any other that reported Kate's visit, would mention if she had put up any herself.
And you have the nerve to refer to the desperation in my posts. Isn't it about time you grew up and stopped idly speculating about things you know nothing about? What motivates a grown woman to start a such an idiotic thread as this I really hate to think.
So have you fully recovered from your irony bypass Martha ?
Title: Re: Why don't the McCanns put up Madeleine posters abroad like they ask of others?
Post by: amaraltheofficeboy on June 02, 2013, 06:10:12 PM
the person who said she would go to PDL to tear down and deface posters of Madeleine was a member here
but what the hell eh?
Title: Re: Why don't the McCanns put up Madeleine posters abroad like they ask of others?
Post by: sadie on June 02, 2013, 06:10:20 PM
Even if some don't believe the abduction theory, does that give them the right to destroy posters of Madeleine?
Am I remembering this correctly?
That certain [ censored word] were actually boasting about defacing and ripping these posters down? How many they had defaced?
Now who was it who boasted that?
Has Luz any ideas ... he lives fairly close.
Luz, where are you? Can you remember?
Does it really matter sadie ? In all probability the person does not post here.
quite the opposite
the poster destroyer did post here
Ah, did you see it too then? I went back into a forum and what I thought that I remembered wasn't there ... so I have amended my posts. Seems that I was premature with the amendments then
Title: Re: Why don't the McCanns put up Madeleine posters abroad like they ask of others?
Post by: sadie on June 02, 2013, 06:14:37 PM
What I was reminded about, was the fact that most of the defacing was not general defacing as a yob might do,
BUT markedly the Mccann Find Madeleine telephone number was covered in paint ... so that it was illegible!
It was done by somebody who did NOT want Madeleine found
Title: Re: Why don't the McCanns put up Madeleine posters abroad like they ask of others?
Post by: faithlilly on June 02, 2013, 06:24:04 PM
Hard for you to understand but you had no idea what Kate did or didn't do.
I can make an educated guess.
Tell you what, instead of attacking my legitimate right to extrapolate on known facts, go and find a picture of Kate putting up some posters on her recent visit to PDL and prove me wrong.
Title: Re: Why don't the McCanns put up Madeleine posters abroad like they ask of others?
Post by: sadie on June 02, 2013, 07:15:31 PM
Faithlilly
You have no known facts to extrapolate on
Title: Re: Why don't the McCanns put up Madeleine posters abroad like they ask of others?
Post by: DCI on June 02, 2013, 07:23:32 PM
don't ya just love these speculative "I don't know but let's comment on it anyway" threads
The tabloid failed to report something happening ergo it could not have happened. This is the crazy logic we are dealing with here.
When the article is about posters and raising awareness you would think that that newspaper, or any other that reported Kate's visit, would mention if she had put up any herself.
What if she did put up posters but it wasn't reported?
And what if she just didn't put any up ?
How would you know, it wasn't reported.
Title: Re: Why don't the McCanns put up Madeleine posters abroad like they ask of others?
Post by: Mo Stache on June 02, 2013, 09:36:46 PM
What was the concerned Facebook member "concerned" about?
bump
That the almost 5 years old t-shirts showed a 3 year old child instead of the age progressed picture released by SY.
Title: Re: Why don't the McCanns put up Madeleine posters abroad like they ask of others?
Post by: Dog The Bounty Hunter on June 03, 2013, 03:02:15 AM
Had she physically put up any posters the newspapers would have carried the story so she missed a valuable photo opportunity in my opinion. You just can't get the right advisor's these days for love nor money.
Title: Re: Why don't the McCanns put up Madeleine posters abroad like they ask of others?
Post by: Benice on June 03, 2013, 08:12:25 AM
Had she physically put up any posters the newspapers would have carried the story so she missed a valuable photo opportunity in my opinion. You just can't get the right advisor's these days for love nor money.
And if there had been pictures in the press of her doing that - the sneers and accusations would be flying that she was selfishly seeking publicity. imo.
Damned if she does, damned if she doesn't. So what's new?
Title: Re: Why don't the McCanns put up Madeleine posters abroad like they ask of others?
Post by: registrar on June 03, 2013, 08:43:02 AM
The Express failed to report that Kate McCann took either breakfast, lunch OR dinner whilst in PdL. Extrapolating on the known facts I conclude she must have been on hunger strike whilst in Portugal.
It's as a ludicrous assumption as the sad gossip who claimed the McCann's were splitting up on account of Gerry being spotted in one interview not wearing his wedding ring. Absolutely bonkers.
Title: Re: Why don't the McCanns put up Madeleine posters abroad like they ask of others?
Post by: gilet on June 03, 2013, 11:36:02 AM
It seems to me that certain posters make presumptions and then start to believe they are definitely the truth.
The reality is nobody here has any idea if Kate McCann took one, ten, or a thousand posters and distributed them or not.
All people are doing is guessing.
True enough
but there are some certainties in life:
death and taxes to start with
and one or two others: the sun rises in the east and sets in the west - the apple doesn't bite back etc.
Let's keep guessing - something useful might drop out of the tree
It's what discussion is all about
Utter bilge.
Perhaps your level of discussion is all about guesswork. That kind of attitude gets you precisely nowhere.
My level of discussion is based on facts, questions and evidenced responses to those questions. It is called research. Hypotheses are not simply guesses but carefully considered possibilities. Police don't just guess who committed a crime (well intelligent and efficient police don't) but they work from known facts and proceed carefully from those.
Guesswork and idle speculation may be satisfactory for some posters. Faithlilly for example is constantly asking for guesses but those seeking truth don't go down that pathway, genuine truth seekers prefer evidence and facts.
Title: Re: Why don't the McCanns put up Madeleine posters abroad like they ask of others?
Post by: sika on June 03, 2013, 11:37:58 AM
If Kate McCann wants holidaymakers to keep Madeleine in the forefront of people's minds why didn't she, on her recent trip to PDL, take age progressed posters with her and put them up wherever she could ?
We are told in the article above that there are no reminders of Madeleine in the town so why wasn't that rectified by Kate when she visited ?
We had a rather more subtle suggestion last week that the family were still carrying on with their own investigation, which of course would need money to fund it. This week there's no subtlety. You can download posters, for free, from the internet, yet we are not told this. What this article seems to be about is bringing money into the fund, and with the SY review now taking place and no expensive awareness initiatives planned you have to ask yourself why the money is needed ?
Why do you think that she chose not to put up posters?
Title: Re: Why don't the McCanns put up Madeleine posters abroad like they ask of others?
Post by: gilet on June 03, 2013, 11:38:58 AM
The Express failed to report that Kate McCann took either breakfast, lunch OR dinner whilst in PdL. Extrapolating on the known facts I conclude she must have been on hunger strike whilst in Portugal.
It's as a ludicrous assumption as the sad gossip who claimed the McCann's were splitting up on account of Gerry being spotted in one interview not wearing his wedding ring. Absolutely bonkers.
It simply proves that those who base their posting on guesswork are delusional rather than genuine truth seekers. Genuine truth relies on facts not the kind of idle speculation Faithlilly is constantly demanding of others.
Title: Re: Why don't the McCanns put up Madeleine posters abroad like they ask of others?
Post by: gilet on June 03, 2013, 11:40:17 AM
If Kate McCann wants holidaymakers to keep Madeleine in the forefront of people's minds why didn't she, on her recent trip to PDL, take age progressed posters with her and put them up wherever she could ?
We are told in the article above that there are no reminders of Madeleine in the town so why wasn't that rectified by Kate when she visited ?
We had a rather more subtle suggestion last week that the family were still carrying on with their own investigation, which of course would need money to fund it. This week there's no subtlety. You can download posters, for free, from the internet, yet we are not told this. What this article seems to be about is bringing money into the fund, and with the SY review now taking place and no expensive awareness initiatives planned you have to ask yourself why the money is needed ?
Why do you think that she chose not to put up posters?
Again you are simply guessing that she did not put up posters. There is absolutely nothing in that article which evidences that speculation.
Why do you base so many of your posts on simple guesswork rather than evidence and why do you demand others do the same?
Title: Re: Why don't the McCanns put up Madeleine posters abroad like they ask of others?
Post by: Mrs. B on June 03, 2013, 11:53:27 AM
This whole thread is a perfect example of how myths get started. Someone makes an assumption based on a tabloid story, but not even on what was actually reported, but on what was NOT reported. That assumption (still based on a nothing) then turns into - "Kate McCann did not put up any posters in PDL & that's a FACT."
It's almost like Bennett's crazy idea that you can accuse people of whatever you want, if they then don't deny it publicly, you can start stating it as a fact. Total lunacy.
Title: Re: Why don't the McCanns put up Madeleine posters abroad like they ask of others?
Post by: faithlilly on June 03, 2013, 11:56:03 AM
The Express failed to report that Kate McCann took either breakfast, lunch OR dinner whilst in PdL. Extrapolating on the known facts I conclude she must have been on hunger strike whilst in Portugal.
It's as a ludicrous assumption as the sad gossip who claimed the McCann's were splitting up on account of Gerry being spotted in one interview not wearing his wedding ring. Absolutely bonkers.
That is bonkers Mrs B. I'm sure he just took it off to wash his hands.
Title: Re: Why don't the McCanns put up Madeleine posters abroad like they ask of others?
Post by: gilet on June 03, 2013, 12:01:15 PM
This whole thread is a perfect example of how myths get started. Someone makes an assumption based on a tabloid story, but not even on what was actually reported, but on what was NOT reported. That assumption (still based on a nothing) then turns into - "Kate McCann did not put up any posters in PDL & that's a FACT."
It's almost like Bennett's crazy idea that you can accuse people of whatever you want, if they then don't deny it publicly, you can start stating it as a fact. Total lunacy.
Excellent post.
Myths start from guesswork or deliberate deceptions.
In this case your outlining of the route from guess based on tabloid omissions is spot on.
Its a shame that some posters like Faithlilly put such great store in guesswork to the point that they goad others to make guesses on a regular basis.
Personally, I set no store by guesswork and prefer to rely on facts, questions and evidenced replies.
Each to his own, but I know that guesses (especially those base on tabloid omissions) do not get you anywhere than the High Court where you are convicted and jailed for libel.
Title: Re: Why don't the McCanns put up Madeleine posters abroad like they ask of others?
Post by: registrar on June 03, 2013, 12:03:42 PM
Perhaps your level of discussion is all about guesswork. That kind of attitude gets you precisely nowhere.
My level of discussion is based on facts, questions and evidenced responses to those questions. It is called research. Hypotheses are not simply guesses but carefully considered possibilities. Police don't just guess who committed a crime (well intelligent and efficient police don't) but they work from known facts and proceed carefully from those.
Guesswork and idle speculation may be satisfactory for some posters. Faithlilly for example is constantly asking for guesses but those seeking truth don't go down that pathway, genuine truth seekers prefer evidence and facts.
strewth you have been rattled 8)-)))
job well done then
Title: Re: Why don't the McCanns put up Madeleine posters abroad like they ask of others?
Post by: gilet on June 03, 2013, 12:06:57 PM
Again you fail to address the issues and play your silly game of disruption. If you think people cannot see that your posts are immature and content free then perhaps you really are that immature.
Title: Re: Why don't the McCanns put up Madeleine posters abroad like they ask of others?
Post by: Mrs. B on June 03, 2013, 12:29:06 PM
The Express failed to report that Kate McCann took either breakfast, lunch OR dinner whilst in PdL. Extrapolating on the known facts I conclude she must have been on hunger strike whilst in Portugal.
It's as a ludicrous assumption as the sad gossip who claimed the McCann's were splitting up on account of Gerry being spotted in one interview not wearing his wedding ring. Absolutely bonkers.
That is bonkers Mrs B. I'm sure he just took it off to wash his hands.
Yes, it is bonkers, utterly & totally.
Title: Re: Why don't the McCanns put up Madeleine posters abroad like they ask of others?
Post by: gilet on June 03, 2013, 12:37:50 PM
The Express failed to report that Kate McCann took either breakfast, lunch OR dinner whilst in PdL. Extrapolating on the known facts I conclude she must have been on hunger strike whilst in Portugal.
It's as a ludicrous assumption as the sad gossip who claimed the McCann's were splitting up on account of Gerry being spotted in one interview not wearing his wedding ring. Absolutely bonkers.
That is bonkers Mrs B. I'm sure he just took it off to wash his hands.
Yes, it is bonkers, utterly & totally.
Even when admitting that the idea of a ring being missing is not proof of imminent divorce, Faithlilly cannot resist having a go at another guess, the washing of hands.
The truth is that either is possible and neither is proven by the omission of a ring.
To rely on the single omission of a ring and claim either possibilities as fact is in reality bonkers. Both would need to be backed up with real evidence.
It is the kind of mistake Tony Bennett frequently made and others of his persuasion still make today. It leads nowhere near the goal of truth and can lead directly to jail instead.
Title: Re: Why don't the McCanns put up Madeleine posters abroad like they ask of others?
Post by: faithlilly on June 03, 2013, 01:10:30 PM
Even when admitting that the idea of a ring being missing is not proof of imminent divorce, Faithlilly cannot resist having a go at another guess, the washing of hands.
The truth is that either is possible and neither is proven by the omission of a ring.
To rely on the single omission of a ring and claim either possibilities as fact is in reality bonkers. Both would need to be backed up with real evidence.
It is the kind of mistake Tony Bennett frequently made and others of his persuasion still make today. It leads nowhere near the goal of truth and can lead directly to jail instead.
The washing of hands ? Please explain as it seems you have taken a perfectly simple and straightforward statement and twisted it into something sinister.
Seems you are either desperate to discredit my posts or so paranoid you can no longer differentiate between reality and your fevered imagination ?
Title: Re: Why don't the McCanns put up Madeleine posters abroad like they ask of others?
Post by: gilet on June 03, 2013, 01:25:36 PM
The washing of hands ? Please explain as it seems you have taken a perfectly simple and straightforward statement and twisted it into something sinister.
Seems you are either desperate to discredit my posts or so paranoid you can no longer differentiate between reality and your fevered imagination ?
I will willingly clarify my post.
You were dismissive (whether seriously or otherwise) of the claim that the omission of the ring was a sign of imminent divorce. Such a suggestion would simply be guesswork based on something which didn't prove any such thing.
But in posting this you added a further guess of your own, the washing of hands.
I pointed out that this was symptomatic of your posting and demands on the forum. You have made frequent demands for me to make guesses about things for example which I have declined on each occasion as I do not believe guesswork is of any real value.
There is absolutely nothing paranoid about my posting or feverishly imaginative.
It is perfectly obvious to readers that in dismissing the guess regarding divorce, you introduced a further guess regarding washing of hands. Neither is a proven fact based only on the omission of a ring, though both are possible.
I can provide full evidence of your demands for guesses if you have forgotten that you have made them and you think that might help you to understand what I am getting at in the post.
Title: Re: Why don't the McCanns put up Madeleine posters abroad like they ask of others?
Post by: registrar on June 03, 2013, 01:30:13 PM
You were dismissive (whether seriously or otherwise) of the claim that the omission of the ring was a sign of imminent divorce. Such a suggestion would simply be guesswork based on something which didn't prove any such thing.
But in posting this you added a further guess of your own, the washing of hands.
I pointed out that this was symptomatic of your posting and demands on the forum. You have made frequent demands for me to make guesses about things for example which I have declined on each occasion as I do not believe guesswork is of any real value.
There is absolutely nothing paranoid about my posting or feverishly imaginative.
It is perfectly obvious to readers that in dismissing the guess regarding divorce, you introduced a further guess regarding washing of hands. Neither is a proven fact based only on the omission of a ring, though both are possible.
I can provide full evidence of your demands for guesses if you have forgotten that you have made them and you think that might help you to understand what I am getting at in the post.
Brilliant prose I'm sure
can we have that in TWO sentences please?
We all have lives to get on with
Title: Re: Why don't the McCanns put up Madeleine posters abroad like they ask of others?
Post by: Matthew Wyse on June 03, 2013, 02:29:07 PM
The McCanns promote the idea that somehow British tourists going abroad should take Madeleine posters with them and put them up eberywhere yet there is no evidence that the Mccanns practice what they preach. Can anyone show a picture of any McCann putting up even one poster? QED 8(0(*
Dont all rush
Title: Re: Why don't the McCanns put up Madeleine posters abroad like they ask of others?
Post by: faithlilly on June 03, 2013, 02:35:44 PM
The McCanns promote the idea that somehow British tourists going abroad should take Madeleine posters with them and put them up eberywhere yet there is no evidence that the Mccanns practice what they preach. Can anyone show a picture of any McCann putting up even one poster? QED 8(0(*
Dont all rush
There's several of them putting up posters on their ill-fated trip to Huelva but I think that's it.
Title: Re: Why don't the McCanns put up Madeleine posters abroad like they ask of others?
Post by: amaraltheofficeboy on June 03, 2013, 02:38:36 PM
as I posted before - I very much doubt that people in PDL want posters of Madeleine.
whereas other holiday makers can post them on the Mccanns behalf all over Portugal and Spain
I'm sure Kate had access to a car, or failing that a bus and I believe she was there for around four days, so plenty of time to travel further afield and pin up posters.
Title: Re: Why don't the McCanns put up Madeleine posters abroad like they ask of others?
Post by: amaraltheofficeboy on June 03, 2013, 02:59:51 PM
as I posted before - I very much doubt that people in PDL want posters of Madeleine.
whereas other holiday makers can post them on the Mccanns behalf all over Portugal and Spain
I'm sure Kate had access to a car, or failing that a bus and I believe she was there for around four days, so plenty of time to travel further afield and pin up posters.
yes - so you have evidence of everything she did in those believed 96 hours?
Title: Re: Why don't the McCanns put up Madeleine posters abroad like they ask of others?
Post by: Carana on June 03, 2013, 03:09:27 PM
Ah, yes, there was a fiesta going on, wasn't there? Can't see that stopping them putting up posters though.
It didn't, stop them, Mrs B. Plenty about, as it was a holiday.
(http://www.mccannfiles.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/huelvabusstation5.jpg) Kate and Gerry McCann distribute leaflets at Huelva bus station
The McCanns' trip to Huelva on 03 August 2007
Title: Re: Why don't the McCanns put up Madeleine posters abroad like they ask of others?
Post by: AnneGuedes on June 03, 2013, 03:26:46 PM
To be useful a billboard should have an updated picture of the missing child. Madeleine looked older (not a toddler) when she vanished (referring to the pictures taken in PDL).
Title: Re: Why don't the McCanns put up Madeleine posters abroad like they ask of others?
Post by: Mrs. B on June 03, 2013, 03:27:40 PM
Ah, thanks DCI. Not very ill-fated at all then, rather the opposite, a lot more people visit towns & villages during fiesta times than normal.
Title: Re: Why don't the McCanns put up Madeleine posters abroad like they ask of others?
Post by: gilet on June 03, 2013, 03:29:09 PM
To be useful a billboard should have an updated picture of the missing child. Madeleine looked older (not a toddler) when she vanished (referring to the pictures taken in PDL).
To be fair, it is entirely up to the parents (with the advice of experts, possibly) to decide what picture to use. It is not up to forum posters.
Title: Re: Why don't the McCanns put up Madeleine posters abroad like they ask of others?
Post by: gilet on June 03, 2013, 03:30:12 PM
Ah, thanks DCI. Not very ill-fated at all then, rather the opposite, a lot more people visit towns & villages during fiesta times than normal.
Good point. Publicity was the aim and large numbers were available that day. So whether deliberately planned for that day or not it was still very worthwhile.
Title: Re: Why don't the McCanns put up Madeleine posters abroad like they ask of others?
Post by: faithlilly on June 03, 2013, 03:34:13 PM
Pardon? My comment wasn't addressed to you at all, sorry if I didn't make that clear.
This is a public forum Mrs B. Perhaps you haven't noticed ?
Yes, thanks I have, but what has that got do with it? I apologized for not making it clear that my comment was not addressed to you or related to your comment.
Title: Re: Why don't the McCanns put up Madeleine posters abroad like they ask of others?
Post by: amaraltheofficeboy on June 03, 2013, 03:44:23 PM
Quote
Why don't the McCanns put up Madeleine posters abroad like they ask of others?
because there is a security issue - as evidenced by someone on here.
Title: Re: Why don't the McCanns put up Madeleine posters abroad like they ask of others?
Post by: gilet on June 03, 2013, 03:49:41 PM
Ah, thanks DCI. Not very ill-fated at all then, rather the opposite, a lot more people visit towns & villages during fiesta times than normal.
I think you'll find it was the McCanns rather than myself who were disappointed hat it was a bank holiday ?{)(**
Actually from Kate's own words there was no sign of the disappointment you have claimed.
It had been their intention to go the previous day but that was thwarted by them receiving an early morning call from the police to remain in PDL. Eventually at 5pm they Police turned up to collect all their clothes and many other posessions for the dog checks.
Nonetheless the following day they carried out their intended visit to Huelva to help in the search for their daughter.
"We finally made it to Huelva the following morning, so all was not lost on that front – even if we did discover when we arrived that it was a public holiday. It didn’t matter: the local people were so kind and obliging and we came back feeling that it had been a very productive trip." Page 207 First Edition Hardback
Title: Re: Why don't the McCanns put up Madeleine posters abroad like they ask of others?
Post by: faithlilly on June 03, 2013, 03:50:28 PM
Ah, thanks DCI. Not very ill-fated at all then, rather the opposite, a lot more people visit towns & villages during fiesta times than normal.
I think you'll find it was the McCanns rather than myself who were disappointed hat it was a bank holiday ?{)(**
Actually from Kate's own words there was no sign of disappointment you have claimed.
It had been their intention to go the previous day but that was thwarted by them receiving an early morning call from the police to remain in PDL. Eventually at 5pm they Police turned up to collect all their clothes and many other posessions for the dog checks.
Nonetheless the following day they carried out their intended visit to Huelva to help in the search for their daughter.
We finally made it to Huelva the following morning, so all was not lost on that front – even if we did discover when we arrived that it was a public holiday. It didn’t matter: the local people were so kind and obliging and we came back feeling that it had been a very productive trip.
From Gerry's blog :
'Unfortunately it was a public holiday in Huelva and the large shopping centre we planned to visit was closed. We did distribute posters in several garages, taxi ranks and the bus and train stations and gave out some Madeleine wristbands.'
Title: Re: Why don't the McCanns put up Madeleine posters abroad like they ask of others?
Post by: gilet on June 03, 2013, 03:55:30 PM
Ah, thanks DCI. Not very ill-fated at all then, rather the opposite, a lot more people visit towns & villages during fiesta times than normal.
I think you'll find it was the McCanns rather than myself who were disappointed hat it was a bank holiday ?{)(**
do you recognise the difference between "disappointed" and "ill-fated"?
The trip was ill-fated in regard to it having to take place a day later than planned, causing disappointment as it was a public holiday.
You see what I did there ? Two different words yet both relevant in the context used. Marvellous 8)-)))
Do you have any evidence of this disappointment about it being a public holiday? It appears nowhere in Kate McCann's or Gerry's words. What is the basis on which you are making this claim please?
It was unfortunate that the shopping centre was closed, certainly. But they made good use of the time and when we read both accounts it is very clear that there was no disappointment at all with the day's activities.
What gives you the idea that there was?
Title: Re: Why don't the McCanns put up Madeleine posters abroad like they ask of others?
Post by: amaraltheofficeboy on June 03, 2013, 03:55:40 PM
so we now have "unfortunately", "disappointed" and "ill-fated"
Title: Re: Why don't the McCanns put up Madeleine posters abroad like they ask of others?
Post by: amaraltheofficeboy on June 03, 2013, 04:02:05 PM
so we now have "unfortunately", "disappointed" and "ill-fated"
And only one comes from the words of the McCanns themselves and that only relates to the closed shopping centre, not to the whole day's activities which they consider were "very productive".
Trying to suggest that this trip was somehow unsuccessful or disappointing is quite bizarre in the face of the actual evidence.
Title: Re: Why don't the McCanns put up Madeleine posters abroad like they ask of others?
Post by: gilet on June 03, 2013, 04:05:37 PM
The trip was ill-fated in regard to it having to take place a day later than planned, causing disappointment as it was a public holiday.
You see what I did there ? Two different words yet both relevant in the context used. Marvellous 8)-)))
yes you managed to fit words into a sentence that the Mccanns didn't use and think you were clever. That's what I see there as can everyone else.
Quite. Making things up is what I would call it. Especially as the sentence bears no relationship to the actual emotions about the day as expressed by Kate and Gerry in their own words.
Title: Re: Why don't the McCanns put up Madeleine posters abroad like they ask of others?
Post by: sika on June 03, 2013, 04:13:02 PM
Lets make the assumption that Kate didn't stick any posters up. Why do you think she chose not to? Are you suggesting that there is a sinister reason for her not doing so?
Title: Re: Why don't the McCanns put up Madeleine posters abroad like they ask of others?
Post by: faithlilly on June 03, 2013, 04:13:19 PM
Ah, thanks DCI. Not very ill-fated at all then, rather the opposite, a lot more people visit towns & villages during fiesta times than normal.
I think you'll find it was the McCanns rather than myself who were disappointed hat it was a bank holiday ?{)(**
do you recognise the difference between "disappointed" and "ill-fated"?
The trip was ill-fated in regard to it having to take place a day later than planned, causing disappointment as it was a public holiday.
You see what I did there ? Two different words yet both relevant in the context used. Marvellous 8)-)))
Do you have any evidence of this disappointment about it being a public holiday? It appears nowhere in Kate McCann's or Gerry's words. What is the basis on which you are making this claim please?
It was unfortunate that the shopping centre was closed, certainly. But they made good use of the time and when we read both accounts it is very clear that there was no disappointment at all with the day's activities.
What gives you the idea that there was?
Dearie me !!
That they made the best of a less than ideal situation does not negate the fact that Gerry, at least, felt disappointed that their plans were not realised fully.
Title: Re: Why don't the McCanns put up Madeleine posters abroad like they ask of others?
Post by: amaraltheofficeboy on June 03, 2013, 04:14:05 PM
"ill-fated"
Title: Re: Why don't the McCanns put up Madeleine posters abroad like they ask of others?
Post by: DCI on June 03, 2013, 04:15:33 PM
Ah, thanks DCI. Not very ill-fated at all then, rather the opposite, a lot more people visit towns & villages during fiesta times than normal.
I think you'll find it was the McCanns rather than myself who were disappointed hat it was a bank holiday ?{)(**
do you recognise the difference between "disappointed" and "ill-fated"?
The trip was ill-fated in regard to it having to take place a day later than planned, causing disappointment as it was a public holiday.
You see what I did there ? Two different words yet both relevant in the context used. Marvellous 8)-)))
Do you have any evidence of this disappointment about it being a public holiday? It appears nowhere in Kate McCann's or Gerry's words. What is the basis on which you are making this claim please?
It was unfortunate that the shopping centre was closed, certainly. But they made good use of the time and when we read both accounts it is very clear that there was no disappointment at all with the day's activities.
What gives you the idea that there was?
Dearie me !!
That they made the best of a less than ideal situation does not negate the fact that Gerry, at least, felt disappointed that their plans were not realised fully.
Still making assumptions. There is absolutely nothing in either of their quotes to justify your presumption of disappointment in the day's activities. Gerry simply states that it was unfortunate that the shopping centre was closed.
As Kate says, though, the feeling was that it had been A VERY PRODUCTIVE TRIP.
I prefer to believe the words of those involved rather than your concocted interpretation of their words. I recall Tony Bennett was a great one for re-jigging people's words and look where that got him.
Title: Re: Why don't the McCanns put up Madeleine posters abroad like they ask of others?
Post by: faithlilly on June 03, 2013, 04:28:18 PM
Ah, thanks DCI. Not very ill-fated at all then, rather the opposite, a lot more people visit towns & villages during fiesta times than normal.
I think you'll find it was the McCanns rather than myself who were disappointed hat it was a bank holiday ?{)(**
do you recognise the difference between "disappointed" and "ill-fated"?
The trip was ill-fated in regard to it having to take place a day later than planned, causing disappointment as it was a public holiday.
You see what I did there ? Two different words yet both relevant in the context used. Marvellous 8)-)))
Do you have any evidence of this disappointment about it being a public holiday? It appears nowhere in Kate McCann's or Gerry's words. What is the basis on which you are making this claim please?
It was unfortunate that the shopping centre was closed, certainly. But they made good use of the time and when we read both accounts it is very clear that there was no disappointment at all with the day's activities.
What gives you the idea that there was?
Dearie me !!
That they made the best of a less than ideal situation does not negate the fact that Gerry, at least, felt disappointed that their plans were not realised fully.
Still making assumptions. There is absolutely nothing in either of their quotes to justify your presumption of disappointment in the day's activities. Gerry simply states that it was unfortunate that the shopping centre was closed.
As Kate says, though, the feeling was that it had been A VERY PRODUCTIVE TRIP.
I prefer to believe the words of those involved rather than your concocted interpretation of their words. I recall Tony Bennett was a great one for re-jigging people's words and look where that got him.
As Kate herself admits to being untruthful regarding the events surrounding the re-scheduled trip perhaps your faith in her honesty is somewhat misplaced ?
Title: Re: Why don't the McCanns put up Madeleine posters abroad like they ask of others?
Post by: gilet on June 03, 2013, 04:31:58 PM
As Kate herself admits to being untruthful regarding the events surrounding the re-scheduled trip perhaps your faith in her honesty is somewhat misplaced ?
Does she? Evidence?
Title: Re: Why don't the McCanns put up Madeleine posters abroad like they ask of others?
Post by: AnneGuedes on June 03, 2013, 04:38:37 PM
To be useful a billboard should have an updated picture of the missing child. Madeleine looked older (not a toddler) when she vanished (referring to the pictures taken in PDL).
To be fair, it is entirely up to the parents (with the advice of experts, possibly) to decide what picture to use. It is not up to forum posters.
I could be not the only one who wouldn't have associated "PDL" Madeleine with "toddler" Madeleine. Now if you pretend the parents deliberately decided (eventually advised by experts) Madeleine's face shouldn't be recognized, I withdraw.
Title: Re: Why don't the McCanns put up Madeleine posters abroad like they ask of others?
Post by: DCI on June 03, 2013, 05:01:29 PM
Ah, thanks DCI. Not very ill-fated at all then, rather the opposite, a lot more people visit towns & villages during fiesta times than normal.
I think you'll find it was the McCanns rather than myself who were disappointed hat it was a bank holiday ?{)(**
They should have gone the day before, but Gerry was ill.
Don't forget this was the trip, where Amaral said they had stopped off and buried Madeleine.
hence "ill-fated"
as if we didn't know!
Huelva trip 3rd August.
Car removed from outside cafe On 6th August 2007.
"At the Policia Judiciária’s request, Gerry went to meet them at a cafe in Portimão. He returned minus the car. The police had impounded it for forensic testing".
On 6th August 2007 at about 15.17 a sniffer dog inspection was carried out.
Portuguese fingerprint expert, Pedro Miguel Filipe Goncalo Vilhena, drove the car. Did he go straight to the garage, or was the car parked up, before being taken, for inspection.
I find it unbelieveable that it appears, there's no statement from him, in the files.
Title: Re: Why don't the McCanns put up Madeleine posters abroad like they ask of others?
Post by: DCI on June 03, 2013, 05:06:06 PM
To be useful a billboard should have an updated picture of the missing child. Madeleine looked older (not a toddler) when she vanished (referring to the pictures taken in PDL).
To be fair, it is entirely up to the parents (with the advice of experts, possibly) to decide what picture to use. It is not up to forum posters.
I could be not the only one who wouldn't have associated "PDL" Madeleine with "toddler" Madeleine. Now if you pretend the parents deliberately decided (eventually advised by experts) Madeleine's face shouldn't be recognized, I withdraw.
So what photo, was Amaral intending to use, when he asked permission to divulge details Madeleine's abduction?
Title: Re: Why don't the McCanns put up Madeleine posters abroad like they ask of others?
Post by: gilet on June 03, 2013, 07:00:00 PM
As Kate herself admits to being untruthful regarding the events surrounding the re-scheduled trip perhaps your faith in her honesty is somewhat misplaced ?
I repeat, where does Kate admitting to being "untruthful regarding the events surrounding the re-scheduled trip"?
Is this simply another anti-McCann lie or do you have some evidence?
Title: Re: Why don't the McCanns put up Madeleine posters abroad like they ask of others?
Post by: gilet on June 03, 2013, 07:02:17 PM
Here we go again. Kate McCann did not admit to being untruthful. The McCanns used Gerry's mild stomach upset as an excuse not to go to Huelva whilst the police conducted their searches. That Kate tells us this in her best-selling book for the whole world to read hardly constitutes dishonesty as far as I'm concerned, but obviously to a "sceptic" Kate's candour can usefully be twisted into a "lie". Same old same old.
I think it is absolutely disgraceful that Faithlilly has posted this libelous claim about Kate McCann but is so far unable to offer any evidence as to its origin.
It looks as if she simply has no evidence to offer.
You have clearly shown that there is no justification for such a claim in the book.
So we are still waiting for her to explain.
Title: Re: Why don't the McCanns put up Madeleine posters abroad like they ask of others?
Post by: faithlilly on June 03, 2013, 07:05:59 PM
As Kate herself admits to being untruthful regarding the events surrounding the re-scheduled trip perhaps your faith in her honesty is somewhat misplaced ?
Does she? Evidence?
From Madeleine :
'We’d never lied about anything – not to the police, not to the media, not to anyone else. But now we found ourselves in one of those tricky situations where we just didn’t seem to have a choice. As it happened, Gerry had a mild stomach upset which we used as an excuse to postpone the trip. We didn’t feel good about this at all, but even if the judicial secrecy law had not prevented us from giving the main reason, can you imagine what would have happened if we’d announced to the journalists heading for Huelva that the police were coming to do some forensic work in our villa? We were not to know our excuse would prove to be no more than a temporary holding measure. If we had, we wouldn’t have bothered trying to keep the scurrilous headlines at bay.'
Title: Re: Why don't the McCanns put up Madeleine posters abroad like they ask of others?
Post by: amaraltheofficeboy on June 03, 2013, 07:07:18 PM
As Kate herself admits to being untruthful regarding the events surrounding the re-scheduled trip perhaps your faith in her honesty is somewhat misplaced ?
Does she? Evidence?
From Madeleine :
'We’d never lied about anything – not to the police, not to the media, not to anyone else. But now we found ourselves in one of those tricky situations where we just didn’t seem to have a choice. As it happened, Gerry had a mild stomach upset which we used as an excuse to postpone the trip. We didn’t feel good about this at all, but even if the judicial secrecy law had not prevented us from giving the main reason, can you imagine what would have happened if we’d announced to the journalists heading for Huelva that the police were coming to do some forensic work in our villa? We were not to know our excuse would prove to be no more than a temporary holding measure. If we had, we wouldn’t have bothered trying to keep the scurrilous headlines at bay.'
is that a quote from Kate's book?
Title: Re: Why don't the McCanns put up Madeleine posters abroad like they ask of others?
Post by: faithlilly on June 03, 2013, 07:08:41 PM
Here we go again. Kate McCann did not admit to being untruthful. The McCanns used Gerry's mild stomach upset as an excuse not to go to Huelva whilst the police conducted their searches. That Kate tells us this in her best-selling book for the whole world to read hardly constitutes dishonesty as far as I'm concerned, but obviously to a "sceptic" Kate's candour can usefully be twisted into a "lie". Same old same old.
.
From Kate's own pen :
'We’d never lied about anything – not to the police, not to the media, not to anyone else. But now we found ourselves in one of those tricky situations where we just didn’t seem to have a choice.'
Title: Re: Why don't the McCanns put up Madeleine posters abroad like they ask of others?
Post by: faithlilly on June 03, 2013, 07:09:24 PM
As Kate herself admits to being untruthful regarding the events surrounding the re-scheduled trip perhaps your faith in her honesty is somewhat misplaced ?
Does she? Evidence?
From Madeleine :
'We’d never lied about anything – not to the police, not to the media, not to anyone else. But now we found ourselves in one of those tricky situations where we just didn’t seem to have a choice. As it happened, Gerry had a mild stomach upset which we used as an excuse to postpone the trip. We didn’t feel good about this at all, but even if the judicial secrecy law had not prevented us from giving the main reason, can you imagine what would have happened if we’d announced to the journalists heading for Huelva that the police were coming to do some forensic work in our villa? We were not to know our excuse would prove to be no more than a temporary holding measure. If we had, we wouldn’t have bothered trying to keep the scurrilous headlines at bay.'
is that a quote from Kate's book?
It is indeed. Haven't you read it ? 8)-)))
Title: Re: Why don't the McCanns put up Madeleine posters abroad like they ask of others?
Post by: amaraltheofficeboy on June 03, 2013, 07:10:44 PM
As Kate herself admits to being untruthful regarding the events surrounding the re-scheduled trip perhaps your faith in her honesty is somewhat misplaced ?
Does she? Evidence?
From Madeleine :
'We’d never lied about anything – not to the police, not to the media, not to anyone else. But now we found ourselves in one of those tricky situations where we just didn’t seem to have a choice. As it happened, Gerry had a mild stomach upset which we used as an excuse to postpone the trip. We didn’t feel good about this at all, but even if the judicial secrecy law had not prevented us from giving the main reason, can you imagine what would have happened if we’d announced to the journalists heading for Huelva that the police were coming to do some forensic work in our villa? We were not to know our excuse would prove to be no more than a temporary holding measure. If we had, we wouldn’t have bothered trying to keep the scurrilous headlines at bay.'
is that a quote from Kate's book?
It is indeed. Haven't you read it ? 8)-)))
no I haven't
Title: Re: Why don't the McCanns put up Madeleine posters abroad like they ask of others?
Post by: gilet on June 03, 2013, 07:11:09 PM
As Kate herself admits to being untruthful regarding the events surrounding the re-scheduled trip perhaps your faith in her honesty is somewhat misplaced ?
Does she? Evidence?
From Madeleine :
'We’d never lied about anything – not to the police, not to the media, not to anyone else. But now we found ourselves in one of those tricky situations where we just didn’t seem to have a choice. As it happened, Gerry had a mild stomach upset which we used as an excuse to postpone the trip. We didn’t feel good about this at all, but even if the judicial secrecy law had not prevented us from giving the main reason, can you imagine what would have happened if we’d announced to the journalists heading for Huelva that the police were coming to do some forensic work in our villa? We were not to know our excuse would prove to be no more than a temporary holding measure. If we had, we wouldn’t have bothered trying to keep the scurrilous headlines at bay.'
How in the name of the Lord does that indicate that she was admitting to being untruthful?
They gave a valid reason about the stomach upset. Nothing whatsoever untruthful about that.
They were NOT ALLOWED to mention the other reason. So they were obeying the law by not mentioning that.
Your sad and ineffective attempts to claim that Kate lied have failed. You have been found out because you actually do not have any evidence of any lies at all do you?
Title: Re: Why don't the McCanns put up Madeleine posters abroad like they ask of others?
Post by: faithlilly on June 03, 2013, 07:11:59 PM
Here we go again. Kate McCann did not admit to being untruthful. The McCanns used Gerry's mild stomach upset as an excuse not to go to Huelva whilst the police conducted their searches. That Kate tells us this in her best-selling book for the whole world to read hardly constitutes dishonesty as far as I'm concerned, but obviously to a "sceptic" Kate's candour can usefully be twisted into a "lie". Same old same old.
I think it is absolutely disgraceful that Faithlilly has posted this libelous claim about Kate McCann but is so far unable to offer any evidence as to its origin.
It looks as if she simply has no evidence to offer.
You have clearly shown that there is no justification for such a claim in the book.
So we are still waiting for her to explain.
Don't worry gilet I don't expect flowers, a simple apology will do 8(0(*
Title: Re: Why don't the McCanns put up Madeleine posters abroad like they ask of others?
Post by: Mrs. B on June 03, 2013, 07:13:58 PM
So Gerry had a stomach upset, that's the reason they gave to journalists, instead of breaking the law & risking jail to tell them there was also ANOTHER reason to postpone the Huelva trip. Good, so no lying then, glad that was established.
Title: Re: Why don't the McCanns put up Madeleine posters abroad like they ask of others?
Post by: faithlilly on June 03, 2013, 07:15:23 PM
As Kate herself admits to being untruthful regarding the events surrounding the re-scheduled trip perhaps your faith in her honesty is somewhat misplaced ?
Does she? Evidence?
From Madeleine :
'We’d never lied about anything – not to the police, not to the media, not to anyone else. But now we found ourselves in one of those tricky situations where we just didn’t seem to have a choice. As it happened, Gerry had a mild stomach upset which we used as an excuse to postpone the trip. We didn’t feel good about this at all, but even if the judicial secrecy law had not prevented us from giving the main reason, can you imagine what would have happened if we’d announced to the journalists heading for Huelva that the police were coming to do some forensic work in our villa? We were not to know our excuse would prove to be no more than a temporary holding measure. If we had, we wouldn’t have bothered trying to keep the scurrilous headlines at bay.'
How in the name of the Lord does that indicate that she was admitting to being untruthful?
They gave a valid reason about the stomach upset. Nothing whatsoever untruthful about that.
They were NOT ALLOWED to mention the other reason. So they were obeying the law by not mentioning that.
Your sad and ineffective attempts to claim that Kate lied have failed. You have been found out because you actually do not have any evidence of any lies at all do you?
She admitted to lying ( even used to word lied 8(0(* ) yet you know better than Kate herself.
This is beyond parody now and rapidly galloping towards farce @)(++(*
Title: Re: Why don't the McCanns put up Madeleine posters abroad like they ask of others?
Post by: Mrs. B on June 03, 2013, 07:19:16 PM
LOL Yes, I must admit, it's farcical. So she didn't lie about Gerry's stomach complaint, but was prevented by Portuguese law to divulge to journalists that there was an ADDITIONAL reason for the postponement. & that's proof that Kate McCann is a liar? Dear me....yes, farcical.
Title: Re: Why don't the McCanns put up Madeleine posters abroad like they ask of others?
Post by: Mrs. B on June 03, 2013, 07:22:51 PM
OK, can we see some proof of the McCann and the rest of the Tapas group being broke before 2007?
Title: Re: Why don't the McCanns put up Madeleine posters abroad like they ask of others?
Post by: gilet on June 03, 2013, 07:23:46 PM
Here we go again. Kate McCann did not admit to being untruthful. The McCanns used Gerry's mild stomach upset as an excuse not to go to Huelva whilst the police conducted their searches. That Kate tells us this in her best-selling book for the whole world to read hardly constitutes dishonesty as far as I'm concerned, but obviously to a "sceptic" Kate's candour can usefully be twisted into a "lie". Same old same old.
I think it is absolutely disgraceful that Faithlilly has posted this libelous claim about Kate McCann but is so far unable to offer any evidence as to its origin.
It looks as if she simply has no evidence to offer.
You have clearly shown that there is no justification for such a claim in the book.
So we are still waiting for her to explain.
This point was already discussed ad nauseam on this forum a few weeks ago I believe and once again it is another example of how the "sceptics" twist things to suit their agenda. "Faithlilly" will victoriously post up a quote from the book as her proof (don't you find it funny how Kate's book is used as evidence when it suits but can safely be ignored when it doesn't suit?)
I find it totally hypocritical that they swing from condemning Kate McCann's book as a pack of lies to having total faith in every word in it when it suits their murky agenda.
The most wonderful example of that hypocrisy came about an hour ago when Redblossom lambasted amaraltheofficeboy for using a quote from the book but then found it had been her fellow anti McCann who had done the quoting. Not only did she prove she can't follow threads properly but she then hysterically tried to back track and pretend it was all an honest mistake.
Sheer nasty hypocrisy.
And the worst thing about this case with Faithlilly is that her quote doesn't even manage to prove the case she is trying to make. All it does is make the Portuguese silence rule look barking mad.
Title: Re: Why don't the McCanns put up Madeleine posters abroad like they ask of others?
Post by: gilet on June 03, 2013, 07:26:34 PM
LOL Yes, I must admit, it's farcical. So she didn't lie about Gerry's stomach complaint, but was prevented by Portuguese law to divulge to journalists that there was an ADDITIONAL reason for the postponement. & that's proof that Kate McCann is a liar? Dear me....yes, farcical.
What is most amusing is that they do not even have enough self-awareness to realise that repeating these farcical and inane claims makes them look utterly ridiculous.
The very quotation that Faithlilly posted demolished the argument she was intending it to back up.
Almost the perfect definition of forum farce, only exceeded in perfection by Redblossom's hilarious backtracking over the Icabodcrane quotation from Kate's book which he must think is reliable.
Title: Re: Why don't the McCanns put up Madeleine posters abroad like they ask of others?
Post by: AnneGuedes on June 03, 2013, 10:18:12 PM
The following has nothing to do with posters and nothing to do with lies, but it has all to do with image, social image : Today (3 Sept 2007), when the undersigned (Ricardo Paiva) went to the McCann's temporary residence to notify them of the need to present themselves at the police station to make statements, being able to take their lawyer with them, Kate McCann immediately reacted in a negative manner, making comments such as 'what are my parents going to think?' and 'what is the press going to say when they find out?' and that 'the Portuguese police is under pressure from the government to finish the investigation quickly'.
With regard to Gerald McCann, he constantly insisted in giving the undersigned letters and emails that he was receiving, mostly from psychics and mediums, whom he had selected and which mainly contained information without much credibility about the possible whereabouts of Madeleine and her presumed abductor.
Title: Re: Why don't the McCanns put up Madeleine posters abroad like they ask of others?
Post by: gilet on June 03, 2013, 10:20:39 PM
The following has nothing to do with posters and nothing to do with lies, but it has all to do with image, social image : Today (3 Sept 2007), when the undersigned (Ricardo Paiva) went to the McCann's temporary residence to notify them of the need to present themselves at the police station to make statements, being able to take their lawyer with them, Kate McCann immediately reacted in a negative manner, making comments such as 'what are my parents going to think?' and 'what is the press going to say when they find out?' and that 'the Portuguese police is under pressure from the government to finish the investigation quickly'.
With regard to Gerald McCann, he constantly insisted in giving the undersigned letters and emails that he was receiving, mostly from psychics and mediums, whom he had selected and which mainly contained information without much credibility about the possible whereabouts of Madeleine and her presumed abductor.
What relevance has this to the thread?
Are you making some kind of point about the posters or just posting randomly?
Could you provide a link so the quote could be read in context?
Title: Re: Why don't the McCanns put up Madeleine posters abroad like they ask of others?
Post by: AnneGuedes on June 03, 2013, 10:29:13 PM
If Kate McCann wants holidaymakers to keep Madeleine in the forefront of people's minds why didn't she, on her recent trip to PDL, take age progressed posters with her and put them up wherever she could ?
We are told in the article above that there are no reminders of Madeleine in the town so why wasn't that rectified by Kate when she visited ?
We had a rather more subtle suggestion last week that the family were still carrying on with their own investigation, which of course would need money to fund it. This week there's no subtlety. You can download posters, for free, from the internet, yet we are not told this. What this article seems to be about is bringing money into the fund, and with the SY review now taking place and no expensive awareness initiatives planned you have to ask yourself why the money is needed ?
The story is a post by the official madeleine facebook page now so evidence they endorse it
though I also notice on that page people are being asked to vote against the press barons in the hacked off debacle, and the link is not something to read or peruse, its actually a link that goes directly to vote against the royal charter if you click on it, sneeky IMO, eta dont click on the hackinginquiry link below if you dont want to vote against it
Keep the press accountable and truthful. Tell the Government your thoughts on the press barons' Royal Charter before Friday: http://act.hackinginquiry.org/lobby/17
Title: Re: Why don't the McCanns put up Madeleine posters abroad like they ask of others?
Post by: faithlilly on June 05, 2013, 11:09:56 PM
Thank you Redblossom. It will be interesting to see the reaction to your post.