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Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: John on June 06, 2013, 01:52:38 AM
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We know that Amaral likes his tipple and has often been described as drunk. It has also been claimed by his wife that he drives often while intoxicated. As he appeared to have a child under his care do members feel he is or was a responsible parent? Was he not just a little bit hypocritical in blaming the McCanns for the very same thing for which he himself was guilty?
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We know that Amaral likes his tipple and has often been described as drunk. It has also been claimed by his wife that he drives often while intoxicated. As he appeared to have a child under his care do members feel he is or was a responsible parent? Was he not just a little bit hypocritical in blaming the McCanns for the very same thing for which he himself was guilty?
I don't think the McCann's problem with Amaral is that he blames them for being irrseponsible parents ... he accuses them of much more than that
He thinks their child died as a consequence of their irresponsibility .. and that they covered it up by staging an abduction
There is no comparison to be drawn here
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The Mccanns were NOT "drinkers" in the way that Amaral was.
I feel that I can remember a post on this forum that had within it, words that implied that Amaral left his daughter on her own. Not necessarily at home, but in the car as he went about his business or pleasures.
Can anyone pls confirm that?
From reports he had her in his charge whilst drunk. Effectively she was vulnerable. A drunk should never have charge of a child, cos they are not compos mentis
And, of course, it is well documented that he drove with her in the car at high speeds whilst he was drunk
Irresponsible.
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I don't think the McCann's problem with Amaral is that he blames them for being irrseponsible parents ... he accuses them of much more than that
He thinks their child died as a consequence of their irresponsibility .. and that they covered it up by staging an abduction
There is no comparison to be drawn here
No comparison because Amaral didn't have an accident and kill his daughter while driving when drunk?
Well there's a small mercy to be thankful for.
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The Mccanns were NOT "drinkers" in the way that Amaral was.
I feel that I can remember a post on this forum that had within it, words that implied that Amaral left his daughter on her own. Not necessarily at home, but in the car as he went about his business or pleasures.
Can anyone pls confirm that?
From reports he had her in his charge whilst drunk. Effectively she was vulnerable. A drunk should never have charge of a child, cos they are not compos mentis
And, of course, it is well documented that he drove with her in the car at high speeds whilst he was drunk
Irresponsible.
He left her at home, Sadie. Unless Sofia lied in her complaint, she didn't make, to the PJ, Christmas 2007. Its in the report , Amaral said she was resting, when Sofia asked where she was.
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And Rebelo ? Was he hypocritical for following the same thesis as Amaral ?
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Rebelo didn't follow the same thesis as Amaral, it was on the basis of his report to the AG that the investigation was shelved & the McCanns & Robert Murat had their arguido status lifted:
Therefore, after all seen, analysed and duly pondered, with all that is left exposed, it is determined:
a) The archiving of the Process concerning arguido Robert James Queriol Eveleigh Murat, because there are no indications of the practise of any crime under the dispositions of article 277 number 1 of the Penal Process Code;
b) The archiving of the Process concerning Arguidos Gerald Patrick McCann and Kate Marie Healy, because there are no indications of the practise of any crime under the dispositions of article 277 number 1 of the Penal Process Code.
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And Rebelo ? Was he hypocritical for following the same thesis as Amaral ?
Rebelo didn't follow the same thesis. He said that making The McCanns Arguidos was hasty. And then set about clearing up the mess that Amaral left behind.
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I don't think the McCann's problem with Amaral is that he blames them for being irrseponsible parents ... he accuses them of much more than that
He thinks their child died as a consequence of their irresponsibility .. and that they covered it up by staging an abduction
There is no comparison to be drawn here
I know Amaral doesn't make the claim in his book.
But to be clear, the McCanns were being investigated for murder.
Amaral lied in his El Mundo interview when he said no one talked about murder.
Why did Amaral lie?
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Not Rebelo - "The PJ's national director later described the decision last September as "hasty"."
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id134.html
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That's correct and he was sacked for saying so ...
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And Rebelo ? Was he hypocritical for following the same thesis as Amaral ?
The case was archived under Rebelo.
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The case was archived under Rebelo.
After the maximum of extensions possible and because Robert M. couldn't be under arguido status one more day..
It was also under Rebelo that the reconstruction was attempted and failed.
Using Rebelo to discredit a bit more Amaral perhaps ? Is it even clever ? It is so transparent that Amaral is being stuck to the scapegoat part. It brings him empathy that he might not deserve..
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I don't think the McCann's problem with Amaral is that he blames them for being irrseponsible parents ... he accuses them of much more than that
He thinks their child died as a consequence of their irresponsibility .. and that they covered it up by staging an abduction
There is no comparison to be drawn here
I'm not sure I agree with you, Icabodcrane. Does GA think Madeleine "died as a consequence of her parents' irresponsibility" since he's convinced she fell from the sofa ? According to GA's description it would be a domestic accident, unpredictable and unpreventable like unfortunately many that daily kill kids. Climbing on a sofa in itself doesn't imply a death risk.
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We know that Amaral likes his tipple and has often been described as drunk. It has also been claimed by his wife that he drives often while intoxicated. As he appeared to have a child under his care do members feel he is or was a responsible parent? Was he not just a little bit hypocritical in blaming the McCanns for the very same thing for which he himself was guilty?
Do you have any documents to support your allegations?!
Yeah, I thought so. You are just spitting venom...
To your information, it's not the PJ that "blames" people - their job is to investigate and if there is a need to interrogate them in a way where their answers may result incriminating, the law determinates that they are given the "arguido" status (which is not very profitable to the investigation since they gain rights that allow them to avoid compromising questions) - and if Amaral found them less than straight in their behavior, he certainly has had a good cause for it.
Until today the McCann still care only about themselves and none about their missing child.
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We know that Amaral likes his tipple and has often been described as drunk. It has also been claimed by his wife that he drives often while intoxicated. As he appeared to have a child under his care do members feel he is or was a responsible parent? Was he not just a little bit hypocritical in blaming the McCanns for the very same thing for which he himself was guilty?
Dear John,
Mr. Amaral never left her daughters alone and certainly never consumed alcohol at the rate that your dear Tapas did while in that fatidic holiday. Your OP is baseless and doesn't contribute to the discussion about the disappearance of Madeleine.
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Do you have any documents to support your allegations?!
Yeah, I thought so. You are just spitting venom...
To your information, it's not the PJ that "blames" people - their job is to investigate and if there is a need to interrogate them in a way where their answers may result incriminating, the law determinates that they are given the "arguido" status (which is not very profitable to the investigation since they gain rights that allow them to avoid compromising questions) - and if Amaral found them less than straight in their behavior, he certainly has had a good cause for it.
Until today the McCann still care only about themselves and none about their missing child.
Well yes, his wife's letter of complaint lodged with the PJ hierarchy and referred to in Court. Lets face it, Amaral's method of investigating crime calls for a plastic bag and a cardboard towel holder.
And I never claimed he left his daughter alone FYI.
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k320/joaotilly/goncalo_amaral.jpg)
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Well yes, his wife's letter of complaint lodged with the PJ hierarchy and referred to in Court. Lets face it, Amaral's method of investigating crime calls for a plastic bag and a cardboard towel holder.
And I never claimed he left his daughter alone FYI.
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k320/joaotilly/goncalo_amaral.jpg)
You are misinformed. That letter was a forgery opportunely denied by his wife.
And as for Amaral's methods of investigation, they were very much appreciated since he was one of the best in his department. It was him that asked for his resignation and not the contrary as the pro-McCann and Uk press like to put it.
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In my opinion it's the McCann, their friends and their defenders that are hypocrite.
They should be the ones that had the searching about Madeleine's fate as their primary goal, instead they waste their energy on PR campaigns exalting the parents and dissing the portuguese authorities. Nobody cares about the child, it's as if she was a collateral damage. Shame on you.
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Dear John,
Mr. Amaral never left her daughters alone and certainly never consumed alcohol at the rate that your dear Tapas did while in that fatidic holiday. Your OP is baseless and doesn't contribute to the discussion about the disappearance of Madeleine.
I would hope not.
Unlike the McCanns Amaral was driving.
And in (I think) most of Europe, the drink drive limit is half England's
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You are misinformed. That letter was a forgery opportunely denied by his wife.
And as for Amaral's methods of investigation, they were very much appreciated since he was one of the best in his department. It was him that asked for his resignation and not the contrary as the pro-McCann and Uk press like to put it.
Seems you under the misapprehension that a convicted criminal like Amaral could remain as a police officer? I'm afraid it was a choice of jump or be kicked out Luz.
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You are misinformed. That letter was a forgery opportunely denied by his wife.
And as for Amaral's methods of investigation, they were very much appreciated since he was one of the best in his department. It was him that asked for his resignation and not the contrary as the pro-McCann and Uk press like to put it.
No Luz, John is not misinformed the letter was accepted as evidence, it was authenticated as per this thread
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1665.msg50940#msg50940
If anybody is not telling the whole truth it would be those who keep saying it is a forgery.
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Luz, I would like to ask you a simple question so I would be obliged if you would give me a straight and truthful answer.
Do you honestly believe that Amaral would have been allowed to remain in post as a police officer given his conviction?
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No Luz, John is not misinformed the letter was accepted as evidence, it was authenticated as per this thread
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1665.msg50940#msg50940
If anybody is not telling the whole truth it would be those who keep saying it is a forgery.
A letter presented by MAC, the one who suddenly resolved to frame GA using LS, was discarded by the judge as being written 3 years after the facts.
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Rebelo didn't follow the same thesis. He said that making The McCanns Arguidos was hasty. And then set about clearing up the mess that Amaral left behind.
It was Ribeiro who said making the McCanns arguidos had been hasty, not Rebelo and if Rebelo hadn't suspected that the McCanns and their friends weren't telling the truth why did he try, by every means possible, to bring them back to Portugal for a reconstruction ?
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It was Ribeiro who said making the McCanns arguidos had been hasty, not Rebelo and if Rebelo hadn't suspected that the McCanns and their friends weren't telling the truth why did he try, by every means possible, to bring them back to Portugal for a reconstruction ?
You are making assumptions there Faith.
Most likely it was nothing to do with whether he was suspicious particularily of them.
I could imagine after what happened to Kate and Gerry, during that awful interrogation, that they might wonder that tho
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You are making assumptions there Faith.
Most likely it was nothing to do with whether he was suspicious particularily of them.
I could imagine after what happened to Kate and Gerry, during that awful interrogation, that they might wonder that tho
Ribeiro tells Portugal's Catholic Church-owned Radio Renascenca: "I think there perhaps should have been another assessment before the McCanns were made official suspects. I don't have any doubt about that ... there was a certain hastiness."
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-511974/Police-chief-We-quick-make-Gerry-Kate-arguidos.html#ixzz2VcxJINl3
Top Portugal cop Alipio Ribeiro 'sorry' for McCann comment
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/top-portugal-cop-alipio-ribeiro-292328#ixzz2Vd2dIu3H
McCann Case: Statements of Alipio Ribeiro and Reactions
7 February 2008 | Posted by Joana Morais
http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2008/02/mccann-case-statements-of-alipio.html
It was Paulo Rebelo, who believed 7 children were together, in the McCann's apartment.
He was head of the criminal investigation department in Lisbon which uncovered the notorious 'Casa Pia' paedophile ring in 2002
http://paulorebelononeglect.blogspot.co.uk/2011/06/children-were-not-alone.html
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Ribeiro's statement could just as well mean that by making the McCanns arguidos it gave them the right not to answer any questions that may incriminate them, a right not bestowed on a simple witnesses.
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Ribeiro's statement could just as well mean that by making the McCanns arguidos it gave them the right not to answer any questions that may incriminate them, a right not bestowed on a simple witnesses.
Afterwards he implicitly stated this, the consequence having been the lawyer took advantage of the statute to advise Kate McCann not to answer at all.
In a way, from then on, Madeleine case had definitively become McCann case.