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Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: faithlilly on August 18, 2013, 01:59:26 PM
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Arguido statement of Gerry McCann :
'He ( Gerry ) states that since the twins were born, he and Kate have gone out at night only once, leaving the children with relatives.'
Statement of Hailey Jane Plummer : '
'As a couple, James and I would take care of Madeleine and the twins in their house in Rothley about every two months, for a few hours each time. We would arrive at the house at about 19.00 – 19.30 when the twins were already asleep, but Madeleine was waiting for us and would be up for about half an hour'
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Arguido statement of Gerry McCann :
'He ( Gerry ) states that since the twins were born, he and Kate have gone out at night only once, leaving the children with relatives.'
Statement of Hailey Jane Plummer : '
'As a couple, James and I would take care of Madeleine and the twins in their house in Rothley about every two months, for a few hours each time. We would arrive at the house at about 19.00 – 19.30 when the twins were already asleep, but Madeleine was waiting for us and would be up for about half an hour'
there is probably a very simple explanation
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I dont trust anything to do with what happened at that Arguido meeting. Not after Amaral / the PJ lied to gerry and told him that Madeleines DNA, or whatever was in that hire car. A car that Madeleine hadn't even been near and hired weeks later.
What appalling behaviour for a Police Force ... to blattently lie like that.
The Arguido statement cannot be trusted. Ignore it.
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I dont trust anything to do with what happened at that Arguido meeting. Not after Amaral / the PJ lied to gerry and told him that Madeleines DNA, or whatever was in that hire car. A car that Madeleine hadn't even been near and hired weeks later.
What appalling behaviour for a Police Force ... to blattently lie like that.
The Arguido statement cannot be trusted. Ignore it.
Gerry signed it as a true representation of what had transpired and you certainly believe the part that details the PJ's 'lies' so why not this part ?
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So Hayley's boyfriend is Kate's cousin, you missed that bit off Faith!
I got to know Madeleine and her parents Kate and Gerry at the nursery school. I also spent time with them socially because my boyfriend James is Kates cousin. As a couple, James and I would take care of Madeleine and the twins in their house in Rothley about every two months, for a few hours each time. We would arrive at the house at about 19.00 – 19.30 when the twins were already asleep, but Madeleine was waiting for us and would be up for about half an hour. The routine followed would be to brush her teeth and tell her a story or two before going to sleep, followed by a brief passage through the twins room. Once she was alone Madeleine would generally fall asleep after 10 minutes and during my stays in their house she would never get out of bed after having fallen asleep. She would always sleep in her room. I do not remember Madeleine having been difficult when we were there.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/HAYLEY_PLUMBER.htm
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Arguido statement of Gerry McCann :
'He ( Gerry ) states that since the twins were born, he and Kate have gone out at night only once, leaving the children with relatives.'
Statement of Hailey Jane Plummer : '
'As a couple, James and I would take care of Madeleine and the twins in their house in Rothley about every two months, for a few hours each time. We would arrive at the house at about 19.00 – 19.30 when the twins were already asleep, but Madeleine was waiting for us and would be up for about half an hour'
I would take that to mean that they have only gone out at night once and left Madeleine with relatives once since the twins were born.
The fact that other times the couple came to the house to baby sit.
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So Hayley's boyfriend is Kate's cousin, you missed that bit off Faith!
I got to know Madeleine and her parents Kate and Gerry at the nursery school. I also spent time with them socially because my boyfriend James is Kates cousin. As a couple, James and I would take care of Madeleine and the twins in their house in Rothley about every two months, for a few hours each time. We would arrive at the house at about 19.00 – 19.30 when the twins were already asleep, but Madeleine was waiting for us and would be up for about half an hour. The routine followed would be to brush her teeth and tell her a story or two before going to sleep, followed by a brief passage through the twins room. Once she was alone Madeleine would generally fall asleep after 10 minutes and during my stays in their house she would never get out of bed after having fallen asleep. She would always sleep in her room. I do not remember Madeleine having been difficult when we were there.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/HAYLEY_PLUMBER.htm
Was it relevant ? It doesn't change the anomaly within the two statements.
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I would take that to mean that they have only gone out at night once and left Madeleine with relatives once since the twins were born.
The fact that other times the couple came to the house to baby sit.
Hailey's boyfriend was a relative.
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Hailey's boyfriend was a relative.
What they are saying is that Madeleine usually stayed in the house when they went out. They only left her at relatives once.
What difference does this make anyway Faithfully?
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Arguido statement of Gerry McCann :
'He ( Gerry ) states that since the twins were born, he and Kate have gone out at night only once, leaving the children with relatives.'
Statement of Hailey Jane Plummer : '
'As a couple, James and I would take care of Madeleine and the twins in their house in Rothley about every two months, for a few hours each time. We would arrive at the house at about 19.00 – 19.30 when the twins were already asleep, but Madeleine was waiting for us and would be up for about half an hour'
Well found Faith 8@??)( Yet another instance of the truth being twisted.
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Well found Faith 8@??)( Yet another instance of the truth being twisted.
How about you pouncing on the [ censored word] when they keep twisting the truth?
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What was the exact question put to Gerry?
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I dont trust anything to do with what happened at that Arguido meeting. Not after Amaral / the PJ lied to gerry and told him that Madeleines DNA, or whatever was in that hire car. A car that Madeleine hadn't even been near and hired weeks later.
What appalling behaviour for a Police Force ... to blattently lie like that.
The Arguido statement cannot be trusted. Ignore it.
Two reasons why this account doesn't hold water
1) The above. You cant trust anything that came from that lying Arguido meeting. Especially the arguido statement
2) Gerry Mccann signed a statement, was it written in Portuguese? ... he signed it when he was dazed by the appalling lies of the PJ. His mind must have been reeling as he realised that they were prepared to stitch him and Kate up with lies.
How long had he been there being interrogated ?
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How about you pouncing on the [ censored word] when they keep twisting the truth?
The 'anti' as you call us don't have a missing child we're supposedly trying to find.
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Well found Faith 8@??)( Yet another instance of the truth being twisted.
Twisted? How?
They are saying they only left Madeleine with relatives once since the twins were born.
Madeleine by the look of it was usually baby sat in the house by the couple.
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The 'anti' as you call us don't have a missing child we're supposedly trying to find.
No you prefer to believe and support a crooked PJ Officer. One who is a proven liar.
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No you prefer to believe and support a crooked PJ Officer. One who is a proven liar.
I neither believe Amaral unquestionably nor support him.i In fact if the truth being known I am as angry as you are with Amaral for the mistakes made while carrying out the investigation into Madeleine's disappearance, though obviously for different reasons.
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What was the exact question put to Gerry?
"When questioned about whether the couple's and the children's life was peaceful, namely regarding the work that three children can give a couple, as well as the stress this can cause, he replies that in fact since the birth of the twins their life has been very busy, and that especially during the twins' first year life was difficult. He states that since the twins were born, he and Kate have gone out in the evening only once, leaving the children with relatives. He adds that in spite of this he never saw Kate depressed as a result of too much work. He denies that Kate changed her work habits for reasons related to depression. He asserts that his wife never suggested to him that at some time she had the intention of handing Madeleine into the care of a family member."
Can't you just imagine what questions were being asked, when you see it, in context?
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"When questioned about whether the couple's and the children's life was peaceful, namely regarding the work that three children can give a couple, as well as the stress this can cause, he replies that in fact since the birth of the twins their life has been very busy, and that especially during the twins' first year life was difficult. He states that since the twins were born, he and Kate have gone out in the evening only once, leaving the children with relatives. He adds that in spite of this he never saw Kate depressed as a result of too much work. He denies that Kate changed her work habits for reasons related to depression. He asserts that his wife never suggested to him that at some time she had the intention of handing Madeleine into the care of a family member."
Can't you just imagine what questions were being asked, when you see it, in context?
It doesn't matter why, what matters is Gerry's answer. Please stop trying to deflect.
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Twisted? How?
They are saying they only left Madeleine with relatives once since the twins were born.
Madeleine by the look of it was usually baby sat in the house by the couple.
The babysitter said she sat for them every two months but Gerry said it only happened once. Who is the consummate liar?
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No you prefer to believe and support a crooked PJ Officer. One who is a proven liar.
It just doesn't work putting all the blame on Amaral, the majority of the Portimao PJ as well as those seconded from HQ in Lisbon were of the same opinion Sadie otherwise the McCanns would not have been brought in and designated as official suspects.
Had the DNA results been positive or more conclusive than they were I believe the next step was to arrest and charge them. Skin of their teeth is a term which comes to mind. 8(0(*
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It just doesn't work putting all the blame on Amaral, the majority of the Portimao PJ as well as those seconded from HQ in Lisbon were of the same opinion Sadie otherwise the McCanns would not have been brought in and designated as official suspects.
Had the DNA results been positive or more conclusive than they were I believe the next step was to arrest and charge them. Skin of their teeth is a term which comes to mind. 8(0(*
In a nutshell Angelo.
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"When questioned about whether the couple's and the children's life was peaceful, namely regarding the work that three children can give a couple, as well as the stress this can cause, he replies that in fact since the birth of the twins their life has been very busy, and that especially during the twins' first year life was difficult. He states that since the twins were born, he and Kate have gone out in the evening only once, leaving the children with relatives. He adds that in spite of this he never saw Kate depressed as a result of too much work. He denies that Kate changed her work habits for reasons related to depression. He asserts that his wife never suggested to him that at some time she had the intention of handing Madeleine into the care of a family member."
Can't you just imagine what questions were being asked, when you see it, in context?
An honest and an innocent person will always be able to answer immediately and truthfully any questions put to them.
Hesitation, changing ones story and refusing to answer the simplest questions is a sign of guilt. Unfortunate but true!!
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The babysitter said she sat for them every two months but Gerry said it only happened once. Who is the consummate liar?
Gerry said he only left Madeleine once with relatives. If he had meant all the children he would have said so.
He only left Madeleine once with relatives, all the other times she stayed in the house and the baby sitters came to her.
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What difference does this make anyway Faithfully?
A freudian slip that depicts you rather well, Faithlilly !
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Gerry said he only left Madeleine once with relatives. If he had meant all the children he would have said so.
He only left Madeleine once with relatives, all the other times she stayed in the house and the baby sitters came to her.
Do you believe catergorically every word gm utters ?
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A freudian slip that depicts you rather well, Faithlilly !
?{)(**
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He states that since the twins were born, he and Kate have gone out in the evening only once, leaving the children with relatives. He adds that in spite of this he never saw Kate depressed as a result of too much work.
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Do you believe catergorically every word gm utters ?
I am answering a question by Faithfully Stephen.
It is how I understand what was said.
If you notice the word is 'relatives' with an 's' not 'relative' as in one relative. So the fact that one of the baby sitters is a relative is beside the point.
He is saying he has only left Madeleine with relatives once since the twins were born. 'Madeleine' not all three children, left with relatives with an s only once since the twins were born.
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Ok I stand corrected he only left the children with relatives with an s since the twins were born.
Leaving the children with relatives in my opinion is taking them to the relatives house.
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I am answering a question by Faithfully Stephen.
It is how I understand what was said.
If you notice the word is 'relatives' with an 's' not 'relative' as in one relative. So the fact that one of the baby sitters is a relative is beside the point.
He is saying he has only left Madeleine with relatives once since the twins were born. 'Madeleine' not all three children, left with relatives with an s only once since the twins were born.
Except that's not what he said Lace :
''He ( Gerry ) states that since the twins were born, he and Kate have gone out at night only once, leaving the children with relatives.''
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(http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P10/10VOLUME_Xa_Page_2572.jpg)
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Except that's not what he said Lace :
''He ( Gerry ) states that since the twins were born, he and Kate have gone out at night only once, leaving the children with relatives.''
Leaving the children with relatives, with an s. This to my way of thinking means leaving them in the house of relatives and not baby sitters coming to the house. If he meant baby sitters he would have said so.
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He had a Portuguese Brief! I think he would have signed it only after taking advice.
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And your point DCI ?
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Leaving the children with relatives, with an s. This to my way of thinking means leaving them in the house of relatives and not baby sitters coming to the house. If he meant baby sitters he would have said so.
The babysitter was a relative and generally you'd say relatives and not a relative.
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I wouldn't say relatives I would say baby sitters as that is what they were.
In my opinion Gerry was saying that only once the children had gone to releatives to stay for Kate to have a complete rest.
The question to him in my opinion was skirting around the accusation that they had thought about handing Madeleine over to relatives.
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I wouldn't say relatives I would say baby sitters as that is what they were.
In my opinion Gerry was saying that only once the children had gone to releatives to stay for Kate to have a complete rest.
The question to him in my opinion was skirting around the accusation that they had thought about handing Madeleine over to relatives.
I have seen some nonsense in my time but that tops even Sadie's.
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I have seen some nonsense in my time but that tops even Sadie's.
There you go then.
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There you go then.
Indeed.
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Problem with you Faithfully is you will not think any other way than that the McCann's are lying. You see things you want to see.
Why would Gerry say that knowing his baby sitters would no doubt be interviewed?
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Problem with you Faithfully is you will not think any other way than that the McCann's are lying. You see things you want to see.
Why would Gerry say that knowing his baby sitters would no doubt be interviewed?
And the problem with you Lace is that don't appear to mind making yourself look foolish.
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I don't care about making myself look foolish to you Faithfully as your opinion doesn't matter to me.
Gerry is saying he only left the children once with relatives when they went out. Not that he only left them once with baby sitters.
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I wouldn't say relatives I would say baby sitters as that is what they were.
In my opinion Gerry was saying that only once the children had gone to releatives to stay for Kate to have a complete rest.
The question to him in my opinion was skirting around the accusation that they had thought about handing Madeleine over to relatives.
Madeleine spent Christmas 2005 with her nanny, Eileen. The twins would have been about 10 months old.
ETA, By the way Eileen is a relative 8((()*/
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leaving the children with relatives could mean leaving the children at the house of relatives or leaving the children at his house with relatives. Could anyone tell me which of these Gerry was referring to... I think the answers NO
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leaving the children with relatives could mean leaving the children at the house of relatives or leaving the children at his house with relatives. Could anyone tell me which of these Gerry was referring to... I think the answers NO
Well if Gerry meant his house it would have been one relative and he said 'relatives'. So I don't think he meant that.
It was more than likely he meant leaving them at a relatives house.
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I'm not sure that there is a contradiction based on Hayley's statement.
Where does Hayley say that they babysat so that Kate and Gerry could go out together?
It could just as easily be that Gerry was on shift duty and Kate went off to see friends.
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I have seen some nonsense in my time but that tops even Sadie's.
BWHAHAHA
Like it Faith ! @)(++(* 8(>((
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So many different scenarios, but Faith will never consider them
sad
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Madeleine spent Christmas 2005 with her nanny, Eileen. The twins would have been about 10 months old.
ETA, By the way Eileen is a relative 8((()*/
As did the rest of the family I think you'll find.
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So many different scenarios, but Faith will never consider them
sad
What can't speak can't lie sadie, unlike Gerry.
I have the consolation of knowing that any intelligent, rational reader of the two quotes posted buy myself will see the anomaly and surmise that Gerry was being blatantly dishonest.
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I havent read this for a while but can someone tell me how two doctors carried on with full time careers with three children under the age of 4 without farming them out to minders? Sort of puts the babysitter issue in the shade what?
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I havent read this for a while but can someone tell me how two doctors carried on with full time careers with three children under the age of 4 without farming them out to minders?
IIRC Kate only worked part time. Needs checking tho.
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IIRC Kate only worked part time. Needs checking tho.
Any parent who tends three younguns under 4 needs a medal.
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Any parent who tends three younguns under 4 needs a medal.
8@??)( 8@??)( 8@??)(
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Any parent who tends three younguns under 4 needs a medal.
Am tired tonight but I think I am right that Kate worked part time.
Someone will soon correct me if I am wrong.
Nice to see you back ?{)(**
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Am tired tonight but I think I am right that Kate worked part time.
Someone will soon correct me if I am wrong.
Nice to see you back ?{)(**
8((()*/ Sadie. Good to be back for a short while.
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Any parent who tends three younguns under 4 needs a medal.
me too 8@??)( 8@??)( 8@??)( Hard work, but great fun
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As did the rest of the family I think you'll find.
No just Madeleine, sorry! I think you'll find.
She said: "When she was two, Madeleine spent Christmas at my house and it was lovely.
"The next year, the family came up for New Year but on Christmas Day Madeleine called and said she'd got a kitchen from Santa. She was very excited and said 'I'm going to make some tea'."
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id101.html
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Am tired tonight but I think I am right that Kate worked part time.
Someone will soon correct me if I am wrong.
Nice to see you back ?{)(**
Yes she did, Sadie
Before the disappearance she worked as a part-time GP in Melton Mowbray.
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No just Madeleine, sorry! I think you'll find.
She said: "When she was two, Madeleine spent Christmas at my house and it was lovely.
"The next year, the family came up for New Year but on Christmas Day Madeleine called and said she'd got a kitchen from Santa. She was very excited and said 'I'm going to make some tea'."
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id101.html
Are you really so limited in your understanding of the written word ? Madeleine's gran was talking specifically about her memories of Madelene, that's why she only mentions Madeleine. It doesn't mean that the rest of the family weren't there too. It would be very cruel parents who would send one of their children away, while keeping her siblings at home.
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Are you really so limited in your understanding of the written word ? Madeleine's gran was talking specifically about her memories of Madelene, that's why she only mentions Madeleine. It doesn't mean that the rest of the family weren't there too. It would be very cruel parents who would send one of their children away, while keeping her siblings at home.
Faith, sorry but you have lost that argument.
From the written word, it is clear that only Madeleine stayed with her Gran.
And pls stop saying silly things like the parents being cruel in such circumstances. Madeleine would have been very excited to go, and the twins were young enough not to worry. Kate and Gerry being such "hands on" parents, they probably had some treat for the twins in store.
That's what I used to do.
When my little boy went to stay with Gran, then my little girl had special treatment. Both happy and Mum de-stressed at the same time.
Not easy with two extremely lively little one less than 18 months apart, but fabulous fun. Great times.
Must be difficult with 3 little ones so close in age. Fortunately, Gerry seemed to take his share ... and to enjoy it.
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You took the words right out of my mouth Sadie.
I did the same, so I must be a nasty cruel parent.
At 10 months old the twins wouldn't care at all. Madeleine would be made to feel special and a big girl going to stay with her Nan.
Your attempt at trying to make the McCann's into nasty cruel parents who were eager to get shot of their eldest daughter, is failing miserably Faithfully.
It makes me sad to look at the photos of the McCann's before Madeleine disappeared. They look so happy.
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You took the words right out of my mouth Sadie.
I did the same, so I must be a nasty cruel parent.
At 10 months old the twins wouldn't care at all. Madeleine would be made to feel special and a big girl going to stay with her Nan.
Your attempt at trying to make the McCann's into nasty cruel parents who were eager to get shot of their eldest daughter, is failing miserably Faithfully.
It makes me sad to look at the photos of the McCann's before Madeleine disappeared. They look so happy.
Read my post correctly Lace. I don't think the McCanns were cruel parents, selfish perhaps but not cruel, because i don't think Madeleine stayed, alone, at her gran's over Christmas
A child being sent to her grandparents at the weekend for a treat I can absolutely understand, especially with two small babies in the house and her parents attention diverted elsewhere but we are talking about Christmas, the twins first Christmas, when Madeleine would, no doubt have delighted in showing her younger siblings how their toys worked etc. Imagine how she would have felt not to be part of that, to be sent away from her parents and siblings at one of the most important family times of the year ? A cruel thing to do, I'm sure you'll agree, if it had happened.
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Read my post correctly Lace. I don't think the McCanns were cruel parents, selfish perhaps but not cruel, because i don't think Madeleine stayed, alone, at her gran's over Christmas
A child being sent to her grandparents at the weekend for a treat I can absolutely understand, especially with two small babies in the house and her parents attention diverted elsewhere but we are talking about Christmas, the twins first Christmas, when Madeleine would, no doubt have delighted in showing her younger siblings how their toys worked etc. Imagine how she would have felt not to be part of that, to be sent away from her parents and siblings at one of the most important family times of the year ? A cruel thing to do, I'm sure you'll agree, if it had happened.
There are 12 days of Christmas, does she say she went on Christmas Day?
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There are 12 days of Christmas, does she say she went on Christmas Day?
Does she say she didn't ?
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Read my post correctly Lace. I don't think the McCanns were cruel parents, selfish perhaps but not cruel, because i don't think Madeleine stayed, alone, at her gran's over Christmas
A child being sent to her grandparents at the weekend for a treat I can absolutely understand, especially with two small babies in the house and her parents attention diverted elsewhere but we are talking about Christmas, the twins first Christmas, when Madeleine would, no doubt have delighted in showing her younger siblings how their toys worked etc. Imagine how she would have felt not to be part of that, to be sent away from her parents and siblings at one of the most important family times of the year ? A cruel thing to do, I'm sure you'll agree, if it had happened.
It wouldn't enter your head, would it?, to think it could also been as much of a treat for her Gran, when she had just lost her husband in May 2005. I'm sure Madeleine would have had the time of her life, staying with her gran, and being spoilt rotten. Nor was she dumped, like you insinuate!
She idolises Madeleine, like they all do.
My kids must be cruel parents, leaving their kids to stay with us, for weekends, and holiday's. Its what MOST grandparents love to do. But I class us as a normal caring grandparents. I take it you haven't got children, and your parents aren't grandparents? Or you would know what that bond is like.
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leaving their kids to stay with us, for weekends, and holiday's.
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It wouldn't enter your head, would it?, to think it could also been as much of a treat for her Gran, when she had just lost her husband in May 2005. I'm sure Madeleine would have had the time of her life, staying with her gran, and being spoilt rotten. Nor was she dumped, like you insinuate!
She idolises Madeleine, like they all do.
My kids must be cruel parents, leaving their kids to stay with us, for weekends, and holiday's. Its what MOST grandparents love to do. But I class us as a normal caring grandparents. I take it you haven't got children, and your parents aren't grandparents? Or you would know what that bond is like.
Weekends and holidays absolutely, but this was Christmas, their first as a family of five. Imagine how pushed out Madeleine would have felt ? I don't believe the McCanns would have done that to their daughter and I don't believe for one minute she was sent to her grans alone. From the comment, and the one that follows, I believe Eileen mentioned Madeleine particularly because she was the subject of the article, I think it is an embellishment on your part to assume the rest of her family weren't with her.
All this to explain away the fact that Gerry was dishonest in his statement. Would an honest person really need this contortion of the facts ?
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Weekends and holidays absolutely, but this was Christmas, their first as a family of five. Imagine how pushed out Madeleine would have felt ? I don't believe the McCanns would have done that to their daughter and I don't believe for one minute she was sent to her grans alone. From the comment, and the one that follows, I believe Eileen mentioned Madeleine particularly because she was the subject of the article, I think it is an embellishment on your part to assume the rest of her family weren't with her.
All this to explain away the fact that Gerry was dishonest in his statement. Would an honest person really need this contortion of the facts ?
Who said she was sent to her grans, alone? Thats just stupid, and another way of saying the McCann's palmed her off. I'd expect one of Gerry's family would have fetched her, even Eileen herself. If Madeleine had felt pushed out she would't have wanted to go, or stay.
Of course you think it is an embellishment on my part , it doesn't fit with what you want, it to say.
I think its more likely a dishonest person who wrote Gerry's statement, to fit Amarals theory.
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Not easy with two extremely lively little one less than 18 months apart, but fabulous fun. Great times.
Must be difficult with 3 little ones so close in age. Fortunately, Gerry seemed to take his share ... and to enjoy it.
Question for Sadie. If it was as you described then why was there a suggestion by the PJ that Kate couldn't cope thus why there was talk of having some of the children cared for by another family member? Was it Kate herself who mentioned this whilst being interviewed informally?
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Who said she was sent to her grans, alone? Thats just stupid, and another way of saying the McCann's palmed her off. I'd expect one of Gerry's family would have fetched her, even Eileen herself. If Madeleine had felt pushed out she would't have wanted to go, or stay.
Of course you think it is an embellishment on my part , it doesn't fit with what you want, it to say.
I think its more likely a dishonest person who wrote Gerry's statement, to fit Amarals theory.
Of course I didn't mean Madeleine travelled to Glasgow alone, that is simply absurd.
As to your interpretation, it simply des not fit with the wording of the article.
'A dishonest person who wrote Gerry's statement.' How ? The original is there for all to see, signed by Gerry. So who, in your opinion was dishonest, not Amaral because he wasn't there at the questioning so who ? The translator ? And why manipulate an innocuous, at the time, answer of Gerry's but leave the part in which they tell Gerry they have a match to Madelein's DNA, in ?
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Question for Sadie. If it was as you described then why was there a suggestion by the PJ that Kate couldn't cope thus why there was talk of having some of the children cared for by another family member? Was it Kate herself who mentioned this whilst being interviewed informally?
Do you have a link to your statement, re kate saying that, Angelo?
The only one who tried to make that true was, whoever put the question to Gerry. Gerry didn't actually make that statement, it was all done as another way to try and fit Kate up. Shame she coped enough to tell the PJ where to stick the confession threat!
You really should read up on things yourself Angelo, and not just post hearsay!
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Do you have a link to your statement, re kate saying that, Angelo?
The only one who tried to make that true was, whoever put the question to Gerry. Gerry didn't actually make that statement, it was all done as another way to try and fit Kate up. Shame she coped enough to tell the PJ where to stick the confession threat!
You really should read up on things yourself Angelo, and not just post hearsay!
Had you bothered to read my post it asked two questions. It did not contain hearsay.
You obviously missed the point. Someone must have given Mr Amaral the thought that Kate couldn't cope. He didn't just pluck it out of thin air.
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Of course I didn't mean Madeleine travelled to Glasgow alone, that is simply absurd.
As to your interpretation, it simply des not fit with the wording of the article.
'A dishonest person who wrote Gerry's statement.' How ? The original is there for all to see, signed by Gerry. So who, in your opinion was dishonest, not Amaral because he wasn't there at the questioning so who ? The translator ? And why manipulate an innocuous, at the time, answer of Gerry's but leave the part in which they tell Gerry they have a match to Madelein's DNA, in ?
Do you have a link to that statement, Faith. having a match to Madeleine's DNA?
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Let's see. Gerry claimed in his interview that the children were only babysat once while they had a night out yet the babysitter claims it was roughly every two months. Does it matter??
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Do you have a link to that statement, Faith. having a match to Madeleine's DNA?
From Gerry's arguido statement :
-- When confronted with the fact that Madeleine's DNA was collected from behind the sofa and in the boot of the vehicle and analyzed by a British laboratory, situations also described before, he says that he cannot explain.
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Question for Sadie. If it was as you described then why was there a suggestion by the PJ that Kate couldn't cope thus why there was talk of having some of the children cared for by another family member? Was it Kate herself who mentioned this whilst being interviewed informally?
i have no idea at this "suggestion" by the PJ, but I dont trust the senior guys at Portimao (nor Faro) PJ as far as I could throw them.
Anything that they could twist to fit the Mccanns up seemed to be the order of the day.
My kids stayed overnight with grandparents. They lived quite close so it was usually just one night. It was a real treat and a rest for me.
Cant see what all the problem is, tbh
Angelo, I openly admit that at times I barely coped (my kids didn't sleep) , but I wouldn't have missed those growing up years for the world.
As you know I lost my son to a brain tumour, but I have a beautifully balanced happy daughter, with friends galore. So I must have done quite a bit right, dontcha think?
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Had you bothered to read my post it asked two questions. It did not contain hearsay.
You obviously missed the point. Someone must have given Mr Amaral the thought that Kate couldn't cope. He didn't just pluck it out of thin air.
How do you know?
He plucked it out of thin air at the arguido meeting, when he lied to Gerry that Madeleines DNA was found in the Car
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i have no idea at this "suggestion" by the PJ, but I dont trust the senior guys at Portimao (nor Faro) PJ as far as I could throw them.
Anything that they could twist to fit the Mccanns up seemed to be the order of the day.
My kids stayed overnight with grandparents. They lived quite close so it was usually just one night. It was real treat and a rest for me.
Cant see what all the problem is, tgh
Angelo, I openly admit that at times I barely coped (my kids didn't sleep) , but I wouldn't have missed those growing up years for the world.
As you know I lost my son to a brain tumour, but I have a beautifully balanced happy daughter, with friends galore. So I must have done quite a bit right, dontcha think?
Would you have sent them to their grandparents for Christmas ? And would you have missed seeing them opening their presents at Christmas ? Miss the delight in their eyes ?
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From Gerry's arguido statement :
-- When confronted with the fact that Madeleine's DNA was collected from behind the sofa and in the boot of the vehicle and analyzed by a British laboratory, situations also described before, he says that he cannot explain.
But thats not what you said, you said a match.
Of course I didn't mean Madeleine travelled to Glasgow alone, that is simply absurd.
As to your interpretation, it simply des not fit with the wording of the article.
'A dishonest person who wrote Gerry's statement.' How ? The original is there for all to see, signed by Gerry. So who, in your opinion was dishonest, not Amaral because he wasn't there at the questioning so who ? The translator ? And why manipulate an innocuous, at the time, answer of Gerry's but leave the part in which they tell Gerry they have a match to Madelein's DNA, in ?
Big difference there, don't you think?
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But thats not what you said, you said a match.
Big difference there, don't you think?
Nope.
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i have no idea at this "suggestion" by the PJ, but I dont trust the senior guys at Portimao (nor Faro) PJ as far as I could throw them.
Anything that they could twist to fit the Mccanns up seemed to be the order of the day.
And how would they have got that through a court on the most publicised trial in the world?
The PJ would have been ridiculed from pillar to post throughout the world if a "fit up" was brought to a court.
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And how would they have got that through a court on the most publicised trial in the world?
The PJ would have been ridiculed from pillar to post throughout the world if a "fit up" was brought to a court.
At last some logic applied. Thank you Alertini.
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And how would they have got that through a court on the most publicised trial in the world?
The PJ would have been ridiculed from pillar to post throughout the world if a "fit up" was brought to a court.
Easy
They get the right judge, who disallows any documents, or witnesses, that would prove the defendants innocent. Doesn't allow them to be even shown to the Court.
Now, let me see, has that happened before? >@@(*&)
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Easy
They get the right judge, who disallows any documents, or witnesses, that would prove the defendants innocent. Doesn't allow them to be even shown to the Court.
Now, let me see, has that happened before? >@@(*&)
The 'fit up' is just one of the myths, amongst others, perpetuated by the Mccanns ,their associates, and their devoted followers.
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The 'fit up' is just one of the myths, amongst others, perpetuated by the Mccanns ,their associates, and their devoted followers.
We have all witnessed the fit ups.
But you have open your eyes to see what has happened.
And be honest ...
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Easy
They get the right judge, who disallows any documents, or witnesses, that would prove the defendants innocent. Doesn't allow them to be even shown to the Court.
Now, let me see, has that happened before? >@@(*&)
And you think it's the "anti's" ahow are consipiracy theory loons! Jeez!
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And you think it's the "anti's" ahow are consipiracy theory loons! Jeez!
Now, let me see, has that happened before? >@@(*&)
They get the right judge, who disallows any documents, or witnesses, that would prove the defendants innocent. Doesn't allow them to be even shown to the Court.
Now has that happened before?
Andy ....Sir .... do you have any knowledge ? .... or Eleanor .... you are good at this .... anyone?
Thought I had seen mention somewhere ?