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Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: carlymichelle on September 29, 2013, 01:46:12 PM

Title: Would the outcome have been the same had the McCanns been unemployed dropouts?
Post by: carlymichelle on September 29, 2013, 01:46:12 PM
Would the outcome have been the same had the McCanns been unemployed dropouts and not two highly intelligent people from a working class background who have qualified as medical doctors?


Please note that I have edited the opening post.
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Title: Re: Would the outcome have been the same had the McCanns been unemployed dropouts?
Post by: Joanne on September 29, 2013, 02:00:56 PM
You have to laugh don't you?
When ben Needham disappeared, his Mum was a teenaged mother on a council estate, I don't remember her daughter being removed. Ok it was a different era and Kerry had trouble getting her message out there because there was no internet but I haven't yet heard of a case where a child has gone missing and the other children got removed. In fact when April Jones went missing, the entire community came out for weeks (as did other people from far out) in a bid to help as did the people on the estate where Shannon Matthews lived, people did want to help find these children.
Title: Re: Would the outcome have been the same had the McCanns been unemployed dropout
Post by: Joanne on September 29, 2013, 02:02:59 PM
.... deleted quote removed ...

Isn't it about the Children? I am not on the side of the Mccanns, I think they're horrible but you cannot penalise an innocent child for the activities of the guilty parents, the child didn't do anything wrong, as Shannon Matthews didn't, she was a victim of circumstance.
Title: Re: Would the outcome have been the same had the McCanns been unemployed dropouts?
Post by: carlymichelle on September 29, 2013, 02:03:29 PM
You have to laugh don't you?
When ben Needham disappeared, his Mum was a teenaged mother on a council estate, I don't remember her daughter being removed. Ok it was a different era and Kerry had trouble getting her message out there because there was no internet but I haven't yet heard of a case where a child has gone missing and the other children got removed. In fact when April Jones went missing, the entire community came out for weeks (as did other people from far out) in a bid to help as did the people on the estate where Shannon Matthews lived, people did want to help find these children.

 do you understand my point in my OP though??? im asking if the mcanns     had been    parents like i described would they be as devoted to those parents as they are the mcanns?? im not blaming the children god no   poor little  innocent childen    im just asking a general question would the pros  had supported  such  parents as much as they have the mcanns
Title: Re: Would the outcome have been the same had the McCanns been unemployed dropouts?
Post by: Joanne on September 29, 2013, 02:08:19 PM
No i don't understand your point, it's extremely narrow minded and it's never happened. I would still have the same opinion that being the parents were wrong but the child shouldn't suffer, in fact the circumstances you describe might be that of a family who saved for months to take their child abroad and were looking forward to that holiday.
I live on a council estate, people are poor round here, a lot of kids have NEVER had a holiday but NEVER have I known of a case where a child has been left alone while the parents have been out and left their kids alone, we do gather outside the houses and the kids are either there, the doors are open AND the kids get checked on every 5 minutes, everyone looks out for each other.
The moral compass is probably higher than that of the Mccanns.
Title: Re: if the mcanns had been filthy lower class people
Post by: Jazzy on September 29, 2013, 03:36:49 PM
do you understand my point in my OP though??? im asking if the mcanns     had been    parents like i described would they be as devoted to those parents as they are the mcanns?? im not blaming the children god no   poor little  innocent childen    im just asking a general question would the pros  had supported  such  parents as much as they have the mcanns

I don't understand it, no. You are asking if a completely different family, guilty of child neglect, living in filth would be "supported by the pros"?

Carly, you are making no sense at all. People with a different opinion to you, ie the rule of law should always triumph over the rule of the mob, don't automatically support people who are guilty of crimes.

Does the same rule apply to you the other way round? Do you automatically assume everyone who have no criminal charges against them must be guilty of something and write about them all over cyberspace?
Title: Re: Would the outcome have been the same had the McCanns been unemployed dropouts?
Post by: John on September 29, 2013, 03:50:39 PM
This thread has been edited slightly in terms with forum etiquette.
Title: Re: Would the outcome have been the same had the McCanns been unemployed dropouts?
Post by: carlymichelle on September 29, 2013, 03:53:20 PM
This thread has been edited slightly in terms with forum etiquette.

thank you john  sometimes i  post before my brain can catch up if that makes sense my   fingers type faster then my brain lol and i dont always get across what im  trying to say
Title: Re: Would the outcome have been the same had the McCanns been unemployed dropouts?
Post by: carlymichelle on September 29, 2013, 03:55:57 PM
This thread has been edited slightly in terms with forum etiquette.

what do you think of  my orginal question do you think if    they had been  unemployed    and not  drs etc   the  pros would have backed  the mcanns ??
Title: Re: Would the outcome have been the same had the McCanns been unemployed dropouts?
Post by: Jazzy on September 29, 2013, 04:00:54 PM
what do you think of  my orginal question do you think if    they had been  unemployed    and not  drs etc   the  pros would have backed  the mcanns ??

Let's get this straight.

I support two people, villified by strangers. Those people lost a child. They are not persons of interest to the current Scotland Yard investigation and they were never arrested by the Portugese police. They have been proven to be guilty of no crime. They have been tormented, threatened, abused, ridiculed and libelled.

I'd support any innocent person contending with that, day after day for 6 years. Never mind feeling compassion for their loss.

I don't care if they are doctors, I don't care if they never worked a day in their life and soap is a stranger to them.

I hate to see bereaved parents abused.
Title: Re: Would the outcome have been the same had the McCanns been unemployed dropouts?
Post by: carlymichelle on September 29, 2013, 04:03:32 PM
Let's get this straight.

I support two people, villified by strangers. Those people lost a child. They are not persons of interest to the current Scotland Yard investigation and they were never arrested by the Portugese police. They have been proven to be guilty of no crime. They have been tormented, threatened, abused, ridiculed and libelled.

I'd support any innocent person contending with that, day after day for 6 years. Never mind feeling compassion for their loss.

I don't care if they are doctors, I don't care if they never worked a day in their life and soap is a stranger to them.

I hate to see bereaved parents abused.

but bereaved and loss usally mean  death do you beleive like many of us that maddie is dead?? there isnt anything wrong if you  do   im just curius
Title: Re: Would the outcome have been the same had the McCanns been unemployed dropouts?
Post by: Jazzy on September 29, 2013, 04:06:30 PM
I believe a child is missing. I believe that if her parents had any involvement in that fact, the Portugese would have arrested them. I believe that their loss is compounded by posting filth against them day after day, year after year.
Title: Re: Would the outcome have been the same had the McCanns been unemployed dropouts?
Post by: Cudge on September 29, 2013, 04:15:37 PM
thank you john  sometimes i  post before my brain can catch up if that makes sense my   fingers type faster then my brain lol and i dont always get across what im  trying to say

Makes perfect sense to me looking at all your previous posts.

Title: Re: Would the outcome have been the same had the McCanns been unemployed dropouts?
Post by: Mr Gray on September 29, 2013, 04:26:25 PM
I believe a child is missing. I believe that if her parents had any involvement in that fact, the Portugese would have arrested them. I believe that their loss is compounded by posting filth against them day after day, year after year.

couldn't agree more
Title: Re: Would the outcome have been the same had the McCanns been unemployed dropouts?
Post by: Eleanor on September 29, 2013, 04:32:03 PM
Makes perfect sense to me looking at all your previous posts.

Oh Dear God.   @)(++(*  Sorry.  Couldn't resist.
Title: Re: Would the outcome have been the same had the McCanns been unemployed dropouts?
Post by: Jazzy on September 29, 2013, 05:23:34 PM
It's all gone a bit quiet, hasn't it?

Embarrassed silence. @)(++(*

Title: Re: Would the outcome have been the same had the McCanns been unemployed dropouts?
Post by: faithlilly on September 29, 2013, 05:41:58 PM
It's all gone a bit quiet, hasn't it?

Embarrassed silence. @)(++(*

Yes cudge's post was certainly embarrassing, for him.
Title: Re: Would the outcome have been the same had the McCanns been unemployed dropouts?
Post by: Jazzy on September 29, 2013, 05:44:07 PM
How so?

Not as embarrassing as the original title or op certainly.
Title: Re: Would the outcome have been the same had the McCanns been unemployed dropouts?
Post by: Cudge on September 29, 2013, 06:06:50 PM
Yes cudge's post was certainly embarrassing, for him.

I certainly do not feel any embarrassment.
Title: Re: Would the outcome have been the same had the McCanns been unemployed dropouts?
Post by: faithlilly on September 29, 2013, 06:42:19 PM
I certainly do not feel any embarrassment.

No, I don't suppose you do !
Title: Re: Would the outcome have been the same had the McCanns been unemployed dropouts?
Post by: Jazzy on September 29, 2013, 06:43:57 PM
Why would Cudge?
Title: Re: Would the outcome have been the same had the McCanns been unemployed dropouts?
Post by: Rachel Granada on September 29, 2013, 06:56:46 PM
Why would Cudge?

Exactly.  Now that I've got over my shock about the offensive, judgemental OP (thanks admin for cleaning up) I will answer carlymichelle's question.

No matter what background, I would feel empathy and compassion for any parents suffering the torture of a missing child.