Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: C.Edwards on October 02, 2013, 09:09:39 PM
Title: Public feeling about the McCanns in late 2007
Post by: C.Edwards on October 02, 2013, 09:09:39 PM
As there are many on here who doubt that there is such a depth of feeling towards the McCanns, please check out this article from time magazine in September 2007:
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There's been no shortage of surprises in the ongoing saga of Madeleine McCann, the 4-year-old British girl who disappeared from her family's vacation apartment in Portugal more than four months ago — the biggest shock occurring earlier this month when Portuguese police officially named her parents as suspects. Still, it was somewhat stunning when a YouGov poll published in the Sunday Times of London this week found that only 20% of Britons think Gerry and Kate McCann are completely innocent.
That indicates a huge disconnect between the public and Britain's many and multifaceted newspapers, which are usually adept at playing to their readers' biases. The press here — from populist tabloids to serious-minded dailies — has largely been unswerving in its support of the McCanns. "Madeleine: Her Mother is Innocent," shouted Wednesday's Daily Express. "Torture," declared Sunday's The People over a picture of Kate McCann, Madeleine's mother. And Chris Roycroft-Davis, a media consultant and Express commentator, thinks that's how it should be. "The media have been very, very sympathetic toward the McCanns, quite rightly so," he said on a Sunday morning BBC Radio 2 program.
Other analysts think the pro-McCann tilt is a mistake. "The press have treated the parents almost too nicely," says Adrian Monck, head of London's City University's Department of Journalism, and that could backfire if any portion of the Portuguese police's suspicions that the McCanns might know more than they are saying proves correct. Adds Charlie Beckett, a media and communications expert at the London School of Economics: "The media have almost been campaigning on behalf of the McCanns instead of adopting a more balanced position. Now they're finding it much harder to change tack."
In the wake of the police actions, however, some are trying. The Daily Mail's David Jones wrote that while he hopes the police are wrong, "a terrible nagging doubt has refused to leave me." It may be "unpalatable," he adds, but "we can no longer take their innocence as an absolute, cast-iron certainty." Olga Craig in the Sunday Telegraph recently described Kate McCann, pointedly, as cold and distant. Some publications are hedging their bets with a two-track approach: supporting the McCanns, but also printing stories that tend to bolster the police line of inquiry. London's Evening Standard recently quoted sources as saying critics of the DNA evidence — which early reports said implicated the McCanns — didn't know what they were talking about, that investigators had "full confidence" in test results. Yet, on the next page, the paper ran a two-page spread headlined, "Despite the accusations, facts are on their side."
Most commentators, however, remain resolutely supportive of the couple, including Jones's Daily Mail colleague, Allison Pearson. "I refuse to believe they are guilty unless overwhelming evidence is uncovered," she wrote. Of course, she's basically saying they're innocent until proven guilty — hardly a radical thought, since it's the bedrock of Western jurisprudence. Roycroft-Davis, however, has apparently solved the case. He said on Radio 2: "These people are completely innocent. There's no evidence that I've read that shows that they've got any part whatsoever in Madeleine's disappearance."
Ah yes, evidence. How much is there and how strong is it? That remains known only to Portuguese legal officials, suppressed for now by Portuguese law. When a Portuguese prosecutor declared Wednesday that there is currently no plan to interrogate the McCanns again, British papers claimed the police probe of the couple was "crumbling" or in "meltdown." But by saying more evidence was needed, he was mainly reiterating what police plainly said last week: They don't have enough evidence yet to charge the McCanns.
So most of the debate over evidence is based largely on leaks of varying degrees of reliability. Says Beckett: "In a vacuum of facts, it's usually best to hold back." But given the fierce rivalry that defines the British media, holding back isn't an option. So they've been awash with leaks, rumors and anonymous quotes. Much of the info actually originates with the Portuguese press. Able to cite Portuguese news outlets as their sources, U.K. papers have repeated even the most outlandish of claims. One report, since debunked, said police thought Madeleine had been weighted down and dropped at sea from a British-registered yacht.
Some critics think the story has been overplayed from the start. "It's not intrinsically important," says Peter Kellner, journalist and YouGov president. "It's a horrible thing for the family, for a small group of people. But everyday, thousands of people around the world have to cope with horrible events." Still, Monck believes that British editors have seized upon the story because they identify with the McCanns: They, too, are middle-class professionals, many of whom have children and have taken similar vacations.
The McCanns, of course, initially helped whip up public interest in the disappearance. After Madeleine first went missing, they launched a massive media campaign that was endorsed by celebrities — billionaire entrepreneur Richard Branson this week started a McCann defense fund with around $200,000 of seed money — and they even got a meeting with the Pope. The YouGov poll indicated that some of the anti-McCann sentiment in the U.K. is a negative response to their self-generated publicity.
The poll's overwhelming results did, however, surprise Kellner, given the press's ongoing support for the McCanns. Nevertheless, he notes, "Even if you are reporting it in a sympathetic way, you are still saying they are suspects, and news of them being suspects swamps the sympathetic coverage." British readers may disagree with the tone of the coverage, or they may think the story is overplayed, but until the case is resolved in some fashion, the McCann media circus is here to stay.
A little research shows that less than half the people (48%)believed that the McCanns were reprehensible in some way, nearly a third (32%) were uncertain and the remaining (20%) were certain that the McCanns were not reprehensible in any way.
It all depends on how you assess the figures. 80/20 sounds impressive. Less than half thinking them reprehensible sound less so.
And we still don't know what the question was and what sort of poll it was.
Where are you figures from ?
Was it done by random sampling ?
How do you know it wasn't biased ?
You have plucked figures out of the air, so how do we know they have any significance whatsoever ?
Title: Re: Public feeling about the McCanns in late 2007
Post by: stephen25000 on October 03, 2013, 07:57:35 AM
A little research shows that less than half the people (48%)believed that the McCanns were reprehensible in some way, nearly a third (32%) were uncertain and the remaining (20%) were certain that the McCanns were not reprehensible in any way.
It all depends on how you assess the figures. 80/20 sounds impressive. Less than half thinking them reprehensible sound less so.
And we still don't know what the question was and what sort of poll it was.
Worded slightly differently here.....where did you read the question related to being "reprehensible"?
According to a YouGov poll for The Sunday Times, only 20% of respondents believe that the McCanns are completely innocent. Nearly half (48%) believe that they could have been responsible for their daughter’s death, even if it was an accident; 32% were unsure. A total of 40% said that the McCanns’ high-profile campaign had made them suspicious, but 50% said that it had not. http://netk.net.au/Madeleine/Madeleine13.asp
Title: Re: Public feeling about the McCanns in late 2007
Post by: stephen25000 on October 03, 2013, 08:09:52 AM
Sometimes it is necessary to repeat for those who are hard of understanding.
There is only one poll being referred to here. Get it?
Please don't get angry. @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
Title: Re: Public feeling about the McCanns in late 2007
Post by: Carana on October 03, 2013, 10:28:06 AM
How much would the half-baked leaks have contributed to forming negative public opinion at the time over their potential involvement?
From the Time article earlier:
So most of the debate over evidence is based largely on leaks of varying degrees of reliability. Says Beckett: "In a vacuum of facts, it's usually best to hold back." But given the fierce rivalry that defines the British media, holding back isn't an option. So they've been awash with leaks, rumors and anonymous quotes. Much of the info actually originates with the Portuguese press. Able to cite Portuguese news outlets as their sources, U.K. papers have repeated even the most outlandish of claims. One report, since debunked, said police thought Madeleine had been weighted down and dropped at sea from a British-registered yacht.
Title: Re: Public feeling about the McCanns in late 2007
Post by: Luz on October 03, 2013, 12:02:39 PM
To understand what the feeling was towards the McCann in September 2007, you just have to watch the reaction of the people outside the Police quarters when they were made arguidos. The general sense for the people was, finally!
Title: Re: Public feeling about the McCanns in late 2007
Post by: faithlilly on October 03, 2013, 12:32:25 PM
There were angry mobs when Barry George was brought to court. Stupid people or often ill-informed and jump to conclusions.
But obviously, as Luz's video shows, those 'conclusions' were in the public's mind long before Anaral's book was published so it was not, by any stretch of the imagination, the book that formed people's views.
Title: Re: Public feeling about the McCanns in late 2007
Post by: Redblossom on October 03, 2013, 12:40:47 PM
But obviously, as Luz's video shows, those 'conclusions' were in the public's mind long before Anaral's book was published so it was not, by any stretch of the imagination, the book that formed people's views.
Quite right and back to basics in the here and now
Title: Re: Public feeling about the McCanns in late 2007
Post by: Carana on October 03, 2013, 12:42:47 PM
But obviously, as Luz's video shows, those 'conclusions' were in the public's mind long before Anaral's book was published so it was not, by any stretch of the imagination, the book that formed people's views.
What were the views concerning their potential involvement based on in the run-up to arguido status? What was the source of "information"?
Title: Re: Public feeling about the McCanns in late 2007
Post by: faithlilly on October 03, 2013, 12:44:43 PM
There were angry mobs when Barry George was brought to court. Stupid people or often ill-informed and jump to conclusions.
These people were not uninformed. These people were the people that searched for weeks, months, in a huge perimeter in and around the village, while Mr and Mrs. McCann continued with their habitual jogging and tennis lessons first, and later started giving press conferences and taking long trips all around the world to advertise their successful Limited Company, instead of getting on their knees like the hundreds of anonymous persons that took time from their jobs, their family and their leisure time, to do what they should have been the first to do. No surprise they were furious, suspicious and anxious to see them being scrutinized as potential suspects.
Title: Re: Public feeling about the McCanns in late 2007
Post by: Redblossom on October 03, 2013, 01:00:10 PM
These people were not uninformed. These people were the people that searched for weeks, months, in a huge perimeter in and around the village, while Mr and Mrs. McCann continued with their habitual jogging and tennis lessons first, and later started giving press conferences and taking long trips all around the world to advertise their successful Limited Company, instead of getting on their knees like the hundreds of anonymous persons that took time from their jobs, their family and their leisure time, to do what they should have been the first to do. No surprise they were furious, suspicious and anxious to see them being scrutinized as potential suspects.
Thanks for bringing some context.......
Title: Re: Public feeling about the McCanns in late 2007
Post by: Carana on October 03, 2013, 01:31:30 PM
The free speech thread has just been deleted. Odd.
Title: Re: Public feeling about the McCanns in late 2007
Post by: faithlilly on October 03, 2013, 01:32:27 PM
Then what are all the comments about the poll about, then?
It shows the public opinion was already against the McCanns before the book even appeared and was not, as has been claimed, a consequence of Amaral's book.
Title: Re: Public feeling about the McCanns in late 2007
Post by: C.Edwards on October 03, 2013, 01:34:31 PM
Because I find that deleting a thread discussing the issue of free speech to be odd.
Why not post a thread saying all blacks should be stopped and searched more than whites....
The thread was a direct public challenge to admin/mods here....instead of accepting any warning and taking it up in private...talk about shoot yourself in the foot,,many have done it in the past after warnings and well then there is only one exit...so not odd at all in the circumstances....seems the person didnt care if they were banned and knew exactly what they were doing as it was quite an encore of last time....
Title: Re: Public feeling about the McCanns in late 2007
Post by: Carana on October 03, 2013, 01:48:07 PM
But it wasn't. It was Debunker moaning about being picked on in a very whiny manner.
No one else moans on here?
Has he been banned?
I don't always agree with him, but I have found that many of his posts are interesting and provide substance for thought, whether one agrees with him or not.
Title: Re: Public feeling about the McCanns in late 2007
Post by: Carana on October 03, 2013, 02:03:31 PM
Why not post a thread saying all blacks should be stopped and searched more than whites....
The thread was a direct public challenge to admin/mods here....instead of accepting any warning and taking it up in private...talk about shoot yourself in the foot,,many have done it in the past after warnings and well then there is only one exit...so not odd at all in the circumstances....seems the person didnt care if they were banned and knew exactly what they were doing as it was quite an encore of last time....
It must be my imagination that quite a few posts / threads by various people get cleaned up overnight.
I do have sympathy with the mods, not an easy task.
However, that doesn't explain why the thread was banned.
Title: Re: Public feeling about the McCanns in late 2007
Post by: Redblossom on October 03, 2013, 02:08:00 PM