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Off Topic and General Discussions => Off topic, general discussions and the Wide Awake Club. => Topic started by: Nicholas on April 07, 2012, 01:06:38 AM
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Come on guys - this women needs our help!
Imagine if you were Linda Carty.......
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jun/27/linda-carty-death-row-texas
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Do you think she is not guilty Sweet or are you against the death penalty ..... Or both?
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Do you think she is not guilty Sweet or are you against the death penalty ..... Or both?
If we had capital punishment in this country people like Simon Hall, Eddie Gilfoyle and Jeremy Bamber would be dead by now which puts the whole sorry mess into perspective.
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Thanks, sweet, for speaking up. Here is a petition aginst her execution.
I don´t know the case, but I am strongly against the death penalty.
Uh, forgot the link.
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/savelindacarty/?utm_medium=email&utm_source=system&utm_campaign=Send%2Bto%2BFriend
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Thanks, sweet, for speaking up. Here is a petition aginst her execution.
I don´t know the case, but I am strongly against the death penalty.
Child murderers should be hanged slowly!
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Thanks, sweet, for speaking up. Here is a petition aginst her execution.
I don´t know the case, but I am strongly against the death penalty.
Uh, forgot the link.
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/savelindacarty/?utm_medium=email&utm_source=system&utm_campaign=Send%2Bto%2BFriend
Thanks Abs... I've signed the petition already....!
Here's the latest news on Linda's plight: http://4wardeveruk.org/2012/04/linda-carty-urges-uk-to-help-prevent-execution/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%
3A+4wardeverNewsvine+%284WardEver+UK+Alerts%29 (http://Here's the latest news on Linda's plight: http://4wardeveruk.org/2012/04/linda-carty-urges-uk-to-help-prevent-execution/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%
3A+4wardeverNewsvine+%284WardEver+UK+Alerts%29)
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Hi sweet, the link does not work. At least for me.
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I have just read the case and I am certainly not signing that petition. Carty was born in St. Kitts and has never lived in Britian so saying she is a British woman because she is entitled to a British passport is a bit misleading ... she holds a USA passport too!
Nationality isn't the issue though ... Linda Carty killed a 25 year old mother so she could steal her baby! That's sick. The poor victim was *hog-tied and a plastic bag taped over her face". Carty had previous convictions and jail terms and was involved with drugs! The evidence against her seems compelling.
Why does this woman deserve any sympathy?
Sorry Sweet and Abs but I don't see anything good about this woman!
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Neither do I, but all the same, I am opposed to the death penalty. She can stay in prison for life as far as I see it.
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I have just read the case and I am certainly not signing that petition. Carty was born in St. Kitts and has never lived in Britian so saying she is a British woman because she is entitled to a British passport is a bit misleading ... she holds a USA passport too!
Nationality isn't the issue though ... Linda Carty killed a 25 year old mother so she could steal her baby! That's sick. The poor victim was *hog-tied and a plastic bag taped over her face". Carty had previous convictions and jail terms and was involved with drugs! The evidence against her seems compelling.
Why does this woman deserve any sympathy?
Sorry Sweet and Abs but I don't see anything good about this woman!
She aided and abetted them I understand to do what they did to this woman. It's what they call Joint Enterprise in your UK, don't know what the yanks call it.
I do agree with the death penalty but there are many cases where some doubt persists. IMO the likes of Ian Huntley, Robert Black, Peter Tobin, Peter Sutcliffe, Rose West, Ian Brady, Steve Wright and Adrian Prout to name but a few should definitely be hanged for what they did.
The cases of Luke Mitchell, Simon Hall and Jeremy Bamber do however leave me with grave concerns and that is where the problem lies; the grey areas and with those who may still be innocent.
It is interesting to note that Jeremy Bamber is defined as a 'Mass Murderer' and not a 'Serial Killer'.
The technical term for what Jeremy Bamber accuses his sister of is 'familicide'.
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Carty seems as guilty as sin and if the death penalty is the punishment where she committed the crime then I am not going to lose any sleep over it.
Having said that I could never agree with the death penalty because of cases like Simon Hall's and Timothy Evans. The list you mentioned above and Levi Belfield should be hung drawn and quartered but if you allow this justice then sooner or later an innocent will be executed.
Simon Hall is innocent imho.
What are your grave concerns in the Bamber case John? His crimes are as bad as anyones; premeditation in killing children out of greed is as bad as say Huntley or Hindley for example imho.
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There is just that 2% doubt which I cannot get past. If he is innocent then he must be the most hated unluckiest guy ever.
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There is just that 2% doubt which I cannot get past. If he is innocent then he must be the most hated unluckiest guy ever.
That's honest of you John ... the Sally Anne Bowman case is another one that makes you wonder. Without DNA no one in the world would believe her boyfriend was innocent and a killer came out of the bushes .... he would probably have been hung 50 years ago and everyone would have agreed he was guilty ... but he wasn't!
I wouldn't go as high as 2% for Bamber though .... 1/million for me!
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There is just that 2% doubt which I cannot get past. If he is innocent then he must be the most hated unluckiest guy ever.
That's honest of you John ... the Sally Anne Bowman case is another one that makes you wonder. Without DNA no one in the world would believe her boyfriend was innocent and a killer came out of the bushes .... he would probably have been hung 50 years ago and everyone would have agreed he was guilty ... but he wasn't!
I wouldn't go as high as 2% for Bamber though .... 1/million for me!
8)-))) I know what you mean though and I don't think we will ever get that final piece unless he admits it.
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I have just watched the British Woman On death Row programme about this evil woman Linda Carty (it's on youtube) and I have to say it's quite the most biased programme I have ever seen, This woman helped kill a 25 year old completely innocent woman to steal her baby and this programme basically says even if she is guilty she had a hard life (of crime and drug addiction) so it doesn't matter if she is guilty she should be freed!
And how on earth can she be British ... she was born on a carribean island and has never been to Britian! Just because the island (St . Kitts) used be be British owned does not make her British in my book. She has both a British and USA passport .... she lived in St. Kitts then Texas and never visited the UK!
Total liberal, tree hugging rubbish in support of a vicious killer who doesn't deserve an ounce of sympathy in my book!
Once again the real victim ... the poor murdered Mum is ignored completely!
?8)@)-)
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I have just watched the British Woman On death Row programme about this evil woman Linda Carty (it's on youtube) and I have to say it's quite the most biased programme I have ever seen, This woman helped kill a 25 year old completely innocent woman to steal her baby and this programme basically says even if she is guilty she had a hard life (of crime and drug addiction) so it doesn't matter if she is guilty she should be freed!
And how on earth can she be British ... she was born on a carribean island and has never been to Britian! Just because the island (St . Kitts) used be be British owned does not make her British in my book. She has both a British and USA passport .... she lived in St. Kitts then Texas and never visited the UK!
Total liberal, tree hugging rubbish in support of a vicious killer who doesn't deserve an ounce of sympathy in my book!
Once again the real victim ... the poor murdered Mum is ignored completely!
?8)@)-)
I am on my Blackberry or I would have a look at that video. Was it made by some of her supporters Tim? We know how biased many of these videos can be and even those being made by once reputable TV companies are no longer reliable. You only need to look at the recent Jeremy Bamber docufilm made for ITV and the number of serious errors it contained.
Where did the 'she is British' label come from? St Kitts is an independent nation although still a part of the Commonwealth.
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I have just watched the British Woman On death Row programme about this evil woman Linda Carty (it's on youtube) and I have to say it's quite the most biased programme I have ever seen, This woman helped kill a 25 year old completely innocent woman to steal her baby and this programme basically says even if she is guilty she had a hard life (of crime and drug addiction) so it doesn't matter if she is guilty she should be freed!
And how on earth can she be British ... she was born on a carribean island and has never been to Britian! Just because the island (St . Kitts) used be be British owned does not make her British in my book. She has both a British and USA passport .... she lived in St. Kitts then Texas and never visited the UK!
Total liberal, tree hugging rubbish in support of a vicious killer who doesn't deserve an ounce of sympathy in my book!
Once again the real victim ... the poor murdered Mum is ignored completely!
?8)@)-)
I am on my Blackberry or I would have a look at that video. Was it made by some of her supporters Tim? We know how biased many of these videos can be and even those being made by once reputable TV companies are no longer reliable. You only need to look at the recent Jeremy Bamber docufilm made for ITV and the number of serious errors it contained.
Where did the 'she is British' label come from? St Kitts is an independent nation although still a part of the Commonwealth.
The title of the documentary is British Woman On Death Row ..... if she is British then we have a population bigger than China's because a billion Indians would also be be British just for starters! Here is the documentary and it's appalling ... excusing a terrible crime! IMHO
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eOyr_VhV_U
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I thought, if you had a passport belonging to that specific country (or a dual passport) then you were bound by the laws of that particular country, so if you had a dual UK/USA passport and committed a crime in the USA, then the UK wouldn't rush to your aid because you have part USA citizenship, you committed a crime in the USA, so thats that. Not that I think they'd rush to your aid if you'd broken the law anyway. I don't think you can say "Well, I did this, this and this and now they want to flog me but I don't like it, help" and expect a "Yes, yes, yes".
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I thought, if you had a passport belonging to that specific country (or a dual passport) then you were bound by the laws of that particular country, so if you had a dual UK/USA passport and committed a crime in the USA, then the UK wouldn't rush to your aid because you have part USA citizenship, you committed a crime in the USA, so thats that. Not that I think they'd rush to your aid if you'd broken the law anyway. I don't think you can say "Well, I did this, this and this and now they want to flog me but I don't like it, help" and expect a "Yes, yes, yes".
The UK Government don't rush to anyone's aid in a foreign country no matter what the difficulties. The Consulate service is antiquated and slow and consuls are always somewhat reticent at getting involved in what is more often than not, none of their business.
If you get into difficulties through your own endeavours in any foreign country you are basically on your own!
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I thought, if you had a passport belonging to that specific country (or a dual passport) then you were bound by the laws of that particular country, so if you had a dual UK/USA passport and committed a crime in the USA, then the UK wouldn't rush to your aid because you have part USA citizenship, you committed a crime in the USA, so thats that. Not that I think they'd rush to your aid if you'd broken the law anyway. I don't think you can say "Well, I did this, this and this and now they want to flog me but I don't like it, help" and expect a "Yes, yes, yes".
The UK Government don't rush to anyone's aid in a foreign country no matter what the difficulties. The Consulate service is antiquated and slow and consuls are always somewhat reticent at getting involved in what is more often than not, none of their business.
If you get into difficulties through your own endeavours in any foreign country you are basically on your own!
When I was arrested in Spain on the basis of lies promoted by the former Inland Revenue and accepted hook line and sinker by a Scottish Justice Dept., I saw a British Consul once in 3 months while detained in Alicante. When I was moved to Madrid the nice lady from the Embassy used to bring me and an English prisoner the London Times newspapers every week for the additional 3 months I was there. These were the copies the Embassy received for the staff. Other than that they were of no real help.
I met some really interesting but highly dangerous and powerful people while in Madrid including several ETA terrorists and a high ranking Mafia Don who was later flown out by helicopter before joining a private Lear Jet flight to Italy.
I must say they did make me some interesting offers! @)(++(*
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I thought, if you had a passport belonging to that specific country (or a dual passport) then you were bound by the laws of that particular country, so if you had a dual UK/USA passport and committed a crime in the USA, then the UK wouldn't rush to your aid because you have part USA citizenship, you committed a crime in the USA, so thats that. Not that I think they'd rush to your aid if you'd broken the law anyway. I don't think you can say "Well, I did this, this and this and now they want to flog me but I don't like it, help" and expect a "Yes, yes, yes".
The UK Government don't rush to anyone's aid in a foreign country no matter what the difficulties. The Consulate service is antiquated and slow and consuls are always somewhat reticent at getting involved in what is more often than not, none of their business.
If you get into difficulties through your own endeavours in any foreign country you are basically on your own!
When I was arrested in Spain on the basis of lies promoted by the former Inland Revenue and accepted hook line and sinker by a Scottish Justice Dept., I saw a British Consul once in 3 months while detained in Alicante. When I was moved to Madrid the nice lady from the Embassy used to bring me and an English prisoner the London Times newspapers every week for the additional 3 months I was there. These were the copies the Embassy received for the staff. Other than that they were of no real help.
I met some really interesting but highly dangerous and powerful people while in Madrid including several ETA terrorists and a high ranking Mafia Don who was later flown out by helicopter before joining a private Lear Jet flight to Italy.
I must say they did make me some interesting offers! @)(++(*
Didn't you tell us previously that there was even a Spanish Government former finance Minister in there as well? It must have been quite a mix of people to have under the same roof.
Is it true that everybody arrested in Spain and due to be extradited goes through Madrid?