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Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: j.rob on January 15, 2014, 05:58:09 PM

Title: Was the marketing ploy a long term strategy and why?
Post by: j.rob on January 15, 2014, 05:58:09 PM
I cannot believe that. It is possible that following up the most likely suspects will cause so much embarrassment and scandal that the investigation is deliberately running in the wrong direction. Alternatively, they may be keeping everyone guessing. There may be political pressure. Or (let's hope) they are determined to bring a water-tight case.

I still struggle to understand the high level of protection that the McCann's have enjoyed from high places which started so early on. The most simplistic explanation is that it was a story of great human interest that would deflect attention from other issues in the press. And maybe a way for Brown et al to curry favour with the public. Plus it sold Murdoch papers.

A Foreign Office story appeared in the press as early as midnight on the night of the 4th May 2007.  That's an astonishingly short space of time. And it does not do anything that would help in a search for Madeleine - does not describe her appearance, for instance.

Other explanations become more convoluted although cannot be ruled out. There is the nuclear link, Operation Ore, other possible links include research interests, tagging of children and so on.

To my mind, the early setting up of a Fund using public money is dubious.

But, from the mouths of the parents: 'at the bottom of all this is Madeleine'.

Yes, she always was low down on the list of priorities for the McCanns although she was useful as a 'marketing ploy'.

Can you think of a more cynical comment from a parent who is supposedly grieving for his missing child? It is absolutely dispicable.

As for Carter Ruck slapping defamation and libel suits on anyone who dares question the McCann version of the gospel truth. Well, the Fund comes in mighty handy when you want to sanitize your reputations and bully your opponents into submission.

Still, tic-toc goes the clock......is time running out for the McCann Circus act? The British public have been made complete fools of, and, to add insult to injury, we are also picking up the bill for it!

Who is laughing all the way to the bank?

Title: Re: Was the marketing ploy a long term strategy and why?
Post by: Redblossom on January 15, 2014, 06:57:56 PM
Jrob maybe a few interests coincided..and they scratched each others backs,,,..but I wouldnt go down the road of conspiracy theories re taggng of kids, cloning, op ore,illumaniti, etc etc for  your own mental health LOL?.one thing is for sure 100% though IMO this story is full of lies and deception and its not to do with finding a child

Title: Re: Was the marketing ploy a long term strategy and why?
Post by: Carana on January 15, 2014, 08:11:20 PM
I cannot believe that. It is possible that following up the most likely suspects will cause so much embarrassment and scandal that the investigation is deliberately running in the wrong direction. Alternatively, they may be keeping everyone guessing. There may be political pressure. Or (let's hope) they are determined to bring a water-tight case.

I still struggle to understand the high level of protection that the McCann's have enjoyed from high places which started so early on. The most simplistic explanation is that it was a story of great human interest that would deflect attention from other issues in the press. And maybe a way for Brown et al to curry favour with the public. Plus it sold Murdoch papers.

A Foreign Office story appeared in the press as early as midnight on the night of the 4th May 2007.  That's an astonishingly short space of time. And it does not do anything that would help in a search for Madeleine - does not describe her appearance, for instance.

Other explanations become more convoluted although cannot be ruled out. There is the nuclear link, Operation Ore, other possible links include research interests, tagging of children and so on.

To my mind, the early setting up of a Fund using public money is dubious.

But, from the mouths of the parents: 'at the bottom of all this is Madeleine'.

Yes, she always was low down on the list of priorities for the McCanns although she was useful as a 'marketing ploy'.

Can you think of a more cynical comment from a parent who is supposedly grieving for his missing child? It is absolutely dispicable.


As for Carter Ruck slapping defamation and libel suits on anyone who dares question the McCann version of the gospel truth. Well, the Fund comes in mighty handy when you want to sanitize your reputations and bully your opponents into submission.

Still, tic-toc goes the clock......is time running out for the McCann Circus act? The British public have been made complete fools of, and, to add insult to injury, we are also picking up the bill for it!

Who is laughing all the way to the bank?

Could you please clarify the underlined bits? In particular, where did you read that anyone described Madeleine as a good marketing ploy?
Title: Re: Was the marketing ploy a long term strategy and why?
Post by: jassi on January 15, 2014, 08:16:31 PM
Gerry himself said that in connection with using & possibly exaggerating the eye defect. Can't tell you when or where that was.
Title: Re: Was the marketing ploy a long term strategy and why?
Post by: Lyall on January 15, 2014, 08:27:42 PM
Gerry himself said that in connection with using & possibly exaggerating the eye defect. Can't tell you when or where that was.

Vanity Fair - January 2008.

http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/features/2008/02/mccanns200802 (http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/features/2008/02/mccanns200802)
Title: Re: Was the marketing ploy a long term strategy and why?
Post by: Redblossom on January 15, 2014, 09:04:26 PM
Vanity Fair - January 2008.

http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/features/2008/02/mccanns200802 (http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/features/2008/02/mccanns200802)

Yes, page 4

Marketing ploy? That  man says the most stupidest of things sometimes doesnt he. Even if the abductor DID something to her eye was still a good marketing ploy, like what? Gouge it out?

http://smallbusiness.chron.com/marketing-ploy-20924.html


Eta the most shocking thing he ever said to my mind was outside that church in PDL, where he wished for the best possible outcome for us...and added at the end and for madeleine!



why is she an after thought? Here.......

What could the best possible outcome be for him / "us" that is different to the best outcome for his daughter???? why the need to separate the two??
Title: Re: Was the marketing ploy a long term strategy and why?
Post by: AnneGuedes on January 15, 2014, 09:39:42 PM

Eta the most shocking thing he ever said to my mind was outside that church in PDL, where he wished for the best possible outcome for us...and added at the end and for madeleine!

Mr McCann never was in a denying process. Therefore sometimes he forgets..
Title: Re: Was the marketing ploy a long term strategy and why?
Post by: Redblossom on January 15, 2014, 09:41:44 PM
Mr McCann never was in a denying process. Therefore sometimes he forgets..

I get you!
Title: Re: Was the marketing ploy a long term strategy and why?
Post by: Carana on January 15, 2014, 09:48:17 PM
Vanity Fair - January 2008.

http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/features/2008/02/mccanns200802 (http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/features/2008/02/mccanns200802)

Yes, thanks Lyall.

The context is publicising the fleck in her eye as her only unique distinguishing feature to help people notice her if they saw her, otherwise she'd be like any other cute 3 year-old blonde girl.
Title: Re: Was the marketing ploy a long term strategy and why?
Post by: Lyall on January 15, 2014, 09:53:13 PM
Yes, page 4

Marketing ploy? That  man says the most stupidest of things sometimes doesnt he. Even if the abductor DID something to her eye was still a good marketing ploy, like what? Gouge it out?

http://smallbusiness.chron.com/marketing-ploy-20924.html


Eta the most shocking thing he ever said to my mind was outside that church in PDL, where he wished for the best possible outcome for us...and added at the end and for madeleine!

why is she an after thought? Here.......

What could the best possible outcome be for him / "us" that is different to the best outcome for his daughter???? why the need to separate the two??

I think he decided defiance was the best strategy after that performance.
Title: Re: Was the marketing ploy a long term strategy and why?
Post by: Redblossom on January 15, 2014, 10:01:52 PM
Yes, thanks Lyall.

The context is publicising the fleck in her eye as her only unique distinguishing feature to help people notice her if they saw her, otherwise she'd be like any other cute 3 year-old blonde girl.

The point being that he thought it was worth taking the risk that something might be done to her eye.for the "marketing ploy"....the bit missed out by you  or "ignored  in the debate
Title: Re: Was the marketing ploy a long term strategy and why?
Post by: Redblossom on January 15, 2014, 10:04:37 PM
I think he decided defiance was the best strategy after that performance.

i dont remember when exactly he got really "cocky" but it was sometime very early, may 07 for sure....must go hunt down some videos

Eta

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xadua4_mccanns-early-press-conference-2007_webcam

Argh pretty sure this was the one when he stormed off after  being asked did he know robert murat



yes same place same clothes.....
Title: Re: Was the marketing ploy a long term strategy and why?
Post by: AnneGuedes on January 15, 2014, 10:05:15 PM
Yes, thanks Lyall.

The context is publicising the fleck in her eye as her only unique distinguishing feature to help people notice her if they saw her, otherwise she'd be like any other cute 3 year-old blonde girl.
A little girl snatched by paedophiles will have only her coloboma to distinguish her of other cute little girls ? Day dreaming.
Title: Re: Was the marketing ploy a long term strategy and why?
Post by: Lyall on January 15, 2014, 10:06:43 PM
The point being that he thought it was worth taking the risk that something might be done to her eye.for the "marketing ploy"....the bit missed out by you  or "ignored  in the debate

They complained at the time to Vanity Fair that some things were written that had been said off the record didn't they? Presumably the 'marketing ploy' quote is one of them, but it was also quoted numerous times by other papers and it's still there.
Title: Re: Was the marketing ploy a long term strategy and why?
Post by: Lyall on January 15, 2014, 10:10:46 PM
i dont remember when exactly he got really "cocky" but it was sometime very early, may 07 for sure....must go hunt down some videos

I still think what I thought at the time - they're both acting, but that may only indicate they'd been coached... badly. I do think that was the last time he tried to be emotional.
Title: Re: Was the marketing ploy a long term strategy and why?
Post by: AnneGuedes on January 15, 2014, 10:14:40 PM
I still think what I thought at the time - they're both acting, but that may only indicate they'd been coached badly. I do think that was the last time he tried to be emotional.
In order to be coached appropriately, your coach has to know you quite well. If you don't wish to say/reveal certain things, the coach will do a bad job.
Title: Re: Was the marketing ploy a long term strategy and why?
Post by: Redblossom on January 15, 2014, 10:19:05 PM
I still think what I thought at the time - they're both acting, but that may only indicate they'd been coached... badly. I do think that was the last time he tried to be emotional.

who on earth coaches victims to bloody act?  And why

Besides dont thnk they needed help
Title: Re: Was the marketing ploy a long term strategy and why?
Post by: Carana on January 15, 2014, 10:21:32 PM
The point being that he thought it was worth taking the risk that something might be done to her eye.for the "marketing ploy"....the bit missed out by you  or "ignored  in the debate

I was questioning J.Rob's comment, which sounded to me as if the child herself was being used as a marketing ploy for some unspecified purpose.


Yes, she always was low down on the list of priorities for the McCanns although she was useful as a 'marketing ploy'.

Can you think of a more cynical comment from a parent who is supposedly grieving for his missing child? It is absolutely dispicable.
Title: Re: Was the marketing ploy a long term strategy and why?
Post by: Lyall on January 15, 2014, 10:28:32 PM
who on earth coaches victims to bloody act?  And why

Besides dont thnk they needed help

By then they'd had three days of advice from numerous bods hadn't they. We don't know the truth of what happened but we know they had advice on the best media strategy very quickly, and if they're told to be emotional but it doesn't come naturally then that could be trouble >@@(*&)
Title: Re: Was the marketing ploy a long term strategy and why?
Post by: Redblossom on January 15, 2014, 10:32:18 PM
I was questioning J.Rob's comment, which sounded to me as if the child herself was being used as a marketing ploy for some unspecified purpose.


Yes, she always was low down on the list of priorities for the McCanns although she was useful as a 'marketing ploy'.

Can you think of a more cynical comment from a parent who is supposedly grieving for his missing child? It is absolutely dispicable.

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Well that is j robs take.....he obviously  thought the take a chance on her eye being deformed is no big deal if its a good marketing ploy???
Title: Re: Was the marketing ploy a long term strategy and why?
Post by: Redblossom on January 15, 2014, 10:39:20 PM
By then they'd had three days of advice from numerous bods hadn't they. We don't know the truth of what happened but we know they had advice on the best media strategy very quickly, and if they're told to be emotional but it doesn't come naturally then that could be trouble >@@(*&)
I thought  the advice they had was NOT to be emotional

Anyway as you say we dont know but as time went on I doubt they took any advice.....whatsoever from anyone much, trumpetted their own trumpet more or less?.and STILL continued to shoot themselves in the foot at every single turn

Title: Re: Was the marketing ploy a long term strategy and why?
Post by: Lyall on January 15, 2014, 10:42:57 PM
I thought  the advice they had was NOT to be emotional

Anyway as you say we dont know but as time went on I doubt they took any advice.....whatsoever from anyone much, trumpetted their own trumpet more or less

It was professional PR once Mitchell got there. I'm sure they listened to him 8)--))
Title: Re: Was the marketing ploy a long term strategy and why?
Post by: Lyall on January 15, 2014, 10:48:00 PM
Next stop: The Vatican! Kate McCann doesn't just meet the Pope, she speaks to him. Pretty amazing transformation in less than 4 weeks.
Title: Re: Was the marketing ploy a long term strategy and why?
Post by: AnneGuedes on January 15, 2014, 10:54:11 PM
It was professional PR once Mitchell got there. I'm sure they listened to him 8)--))
Are you ? I think he was used for proxy.
Title: Re: Was the marketing ploy a long term strategy and why?
Post by: AnneGuedes on January 15, 2014, 11:05:30 PM
How do you mean Anne?
You have noticed that Mr McCann takes great care to speak directly the less possible.
And he's right, because we know a dozen of sentences he surely regrets to have pronounced.
Title: Re: Was the marketing ploy a long term strategy and why?
Post by: Lyall on January 15, 2014, 11:35:43 PM
You have noticed that Mr McCann takes great care to speak directly the less possible.
And he's right, because we know a dozen of sentences he surely regrets to have pronounced.

I agree, I know what you mean. But a lot of those were either never seen in the UK (like the Sandra Felgueiras interviews) or seen just once on regional TV or national and never seen again (except on the internet).

They were never shown in any of the documentaries (not that there have been many).
Title: Re: Was the marketing ploy a long term strategy and why?
Post by: Redblossom on January 15, 2014, 11:43:32 PM
I agree, I know what you mean. But a lot of those were either never seen in the UK (like the Sandra Felgueiras interviews) or seen just once on regional TV or national and never seen again (except on the internet).

They were never shown in any of the documentaries (not that there have been many).

Every single interview they did should be appended to the PJ process.....just like KMs "book"...its all  "info" and evidence

Hopefully SY will be making a list as well...and watching and listening


Nite all
Title: Re: Was the marketing ploy a long term strategy and why?
Post by: AnneGuedes on January 16, 2014, 12:16:14 AM
Hopefully SY will be making a list as well...and watching and listening
If you wish to amaze a SY PO, ask if s/he read "Madeleine" !
Title: Re: Was the marketing ploy a long term strategy and why?
Post by: VIXTE on January 16, 2014, 07:13:32 AM
I think this needs a full new topic but have you ever thought that McCanns actually, at the time when Madeleine disappeared, were put into 'a system'.. buy all of the professionals who came to deal with them..

1. They might have been under a heavy medication in the first days when Madeleine went missing.
2. They might have been advised what to say, what to mention and what to not mention.
3. All that came out as their words was actually carefully selected by potential profilers and advisers, who were not that perfect in assessing the situation at the time.

It might have been that all that is put as a 'wrong behaviour' to the McCanns actually wasn't their natural behaviour at all but an advised technique of behaviour they were told to perform
Title: Re: Was the marketing ploy a long term strategy and why?
Post by: slartibartfast on January 16, 2014, 07:43:24 AM
I think this needs a full new topic but have you ever thought that McCanns actually, at the time when Madeleine disappeared, were put into 'a system'.. buy all of the professionals who came to deal with them..

1. They might have been under a heavy medication in the first days when Madeleine went missing.
2. They might have been advised what to say, what to mention and what to not mention.
3. All that came out as their words was actually carefully selected by potential profilers and advisers, who were not that perfect in assessing the situation at the time.

It might have been that all that is put as a 'wrong behaviour' to the McCanns actually wasn't their natural behaviour at all but an advised technique of behaviour they were told to perform

But they called in the "system"?
Title: Re: Was the marketing ploy a long term strategy and why?
Post by: Redblossom on January 16, 2014, 10:24:29 AM
I think this needs a full new topic but have you ever thought that McCanns actually, at the time when Madeleine disappeared, were put into 'a system'.. buy all of the professionals who came to deal with them..

1. They might have been under a heavy medication in the first days when Madeleine went missing.
2. They might have been advised what to say, what to mention and what to not mention.
3. All that came out as their words was actually carefully selected by potential profilers and advisers, who were not that perfect in assessing the situation at the time.

It might have been that all that is put as a 'wrong behaviour' to the McCanns actually wasn't their natural behaviour at all but an advised technique of behaviour they were told to perform

Comparing a few initial days to 6 years? Of it? I dont thnk so somehow


Title: Re: Was the marketing ploy a long term strategy and why?
Post by: Redblossom on January 16, 2014, 10:28:06 AM
If you wish to amaze a SY PO, ask if s/he read "Madeleine" !

I would have thought that might be required reading in exactly the same way as the files...cant get better evidence than direct  from the horses  mouth
Title: Re: Was the marketing ploy a long term strategy and why?
Post by: Carana on January 16, 2014, 12:03:31 PM
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Well that is j robs take.....he obviously  thought the take a chance on her eye being deformed is no big deal if its a good marketing ploy???

Why would concealing the fleck in her eye necessarily involve deforming it? By that, do you mean something painful? A contact lens would have concealed it if she was to be taken out in public.

Police the world over publicise distinguishing marks of missing people. Despite my criticism of Amaral on many points, he did get that organised very quickly.
Title: Re: Was the marketing ploy a long term strategy and why?
Post by: jassi on January 16, 2014, 12:16:54 PM
Why would concealing the fleck in her eye necessarily involve deforming it? By that, do you mean something painful? A contact lens would have concealed it if she was to be taken out in public.

Police the world over publicise distinguishing marks of missing people. Despite my criticism of Amaral on many points, he did get that organised very quickly.

In order to get a contact lens, the child would need to be taken to an optician - maybe not a clever thing to do if you had a 'hot' child, who's face has been splashed over just about every newspaper in the world
Title: Re: Was the marketing ploy a long term strategy and why?
Post by: Redblossom on January 16, 2014, 12:18:59 PM
Why would concealing the fleck in her eye necessarily involve deforming it? By that, do you mean something painful? A contact lens would have concealed it if she was to be taken out in public.

Police the world over publicise distinguishing marks of missing people. Despite my criticism of Amaral on many points, he did get that organised very quickly.

It wasnt my idea, it was Gerrys...About hurting her, read para under the big red A on page 4

http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/features/2008/02/mccanns200802?currentPage=5
Title: Re: Was the marketing ploy a long term strategy and why?
Post by: j.rob on January 16, 2014, 05:13:11 PM
I was questioning J.Rob's comment, which sounded to me as if the child herself was being used as a marketing ploy for some unspecified purpose.


Yes, she always was low down on the list of priorities for the McCanns although she was useful as a 'marketing ploy'.

Can you think of a more cynical comment from a parent who is supposedly grieving for his missing child? It is absolutely dispicable.


The child HAS been used as a marketing ploy. Of that there is no doubt. What is extraordinary is that the words came out of the horses mouth. His arrogance is breathtaking.

From the very beginning it had very little to do with a search for a missing child (remember: Kate 'knew, just knew' what had happened) and more to do with another agenda.

A news story appeared within two hours of the alleged abduction. The next day Clarence Mitchell pops up in the resort - that in itself is breathtakingly extraordinary. (Was it REALLY the very next day??)

The McCanns show very little interest in searching for their daughter, instead enlist reputation managers, spin doctors, libel lawyers and media experts. Kate becomes exasperated with the police in the early days when they want her to come back to the station to identify what could possibly be their child.

What are the MCCanns marketing? You cannot deny that they have been quite successful at eliciting public money, which has funded jaunts around the world and libel cases.  They have attempted to gag the British press. They have managed to get Amaral's book taken off the shelves in the UK.

What is it REALLY all about? Are the just out-of-control narcissists who jumped into bed with New Labour and, aided and abetted by the Murdoch press spun an enormous porky-pie which sold papers and took the public eye off other stuff.

Or WHAT??

Someone knows but one thing is for sure - Madeleine has been callously, cruelly and ruthlessly exploited by adults who have their own agenda. It is SICKENING and the sooner justice is done FOR MADELEINE the better.
Title: Re: Was the marketing ploy a long term strategy and why?
Post by: Redblossom on January 16, 2014, 05:53:40 PM
The child HAS been used as a marketing ploy. Of that there is no doubt. What is extraordinary is that the words came out of the horses mouth. His arrogance is breathtaking.

From the very beginning it had very little to do with a search for a missing child (remember: Kate 'knew, just knew' what had happened) and more to do with another agenda.

A news story appeared within two hours of the alleged abduction. The next day Clarence Mitchell pops up in the resort - that in itself is breathtakingly extraordinary. (Was it REALLY the very next day??)

The McCanns show very little interest in searching for their daughter, instead enlist reputation managers, spin doctors, libel lawyers and media experts. Kate becomes exasperated with the police in the early days when they want her to come back to the station to identify what could possibly be their child.

What are the MCCanns marketing? You cannot deny that they have been quite successful at eliciting public money, which has funded jaunts around the world and libel cases.  They have attempted to gag the British press. They have managed to get Amaral's book taken off the shelves in the UK.

What is it REALLY all about? Are the just out-of-control narcissists who jumped into bed with New Labour and, aided and abetted by the Murdoch press spun an enormous porky-pie which sold papers and took the public eye off other stuff.

Or WHAT??

Someone knows but one thing is for sure - Madeleine has been callously, cruelly and ruthlessly exploited by adults who have their own agenda. It is SICKENING and the sooner justice is done FOR MADELEINE the better.

Cant argue with THAT!!
Title: Re: Was the marketing ploy a long term strategy and why?
Post by: jassi on January 16, 2014, 05:54:27 PM
But you can be sure that some will   ?{)(**
Title: Re: Was the marketing ploy a long term strategy and why?
Post by: Redblossom on January 16, 2014, 06:07:44 PM
But you can be sure that some will   ?{)(**

Do i look bothered"? LOL

j Rob has a very good point.....they, or rather only one of them, did a very cursory search for their child for  an hour max whilst others did so all night and day in day out after, the other one was busy ringing friends and relatives and smashing their wrists on railings etc praying and keeping vigil.....few days after the legal cavalry were called in,as if they would find her
Title: Re: Was the marketing ploy a long term strategy and why?
Post by: John on January 17, 2014, 04:21:58 AM
New thread.

Was the marketing ploy a long term strategy and why?
Title: Re: Was the marketing ploy a long term strategy and why?
Post by: j.rob on January 17, 2014, 11:39:53 AM
If we are to go along with the accidental injury/death/adverse reaction to drugs theory, then that could (at least partially) explain how the McCanns massively panicked and pulled rank. In the UK, and probably elsewhere, there is a very strong culture of covering up (medically-induced) negligence. There is a huge industry associated with it - medico-legal lawyers, departments in hospitals. There have been some very high profile cases recently that highlight the problem. Unless you have knowledge of it or have witnessed it at first hand, it is quite difficult to get your head around it from a moral point of view. But, unfortunately, the default mode when there has been a 'disaster' is to cover your backside. And there are large departments behind you with dubious titles like 'risk assessment' and 'medico-legal'. While ostensibly these exist to help patients, in reality they are also there to defend against negligence claims

So, I can understand that if there was some kind of (medically induced or otherwise) accident a team of doctors would be likely to adopt a certain strategy. What is more difficult to understand, if we go along with the accident theory, is why there was so much high-profile media/legal/celebrity support and endorsement.

You could argue that what initially started as a backside covering exercise then developed its own momentum and became something of an out-of-control monster. From their reactions in media interviews over the various 'sightings' of Madeleine it is clear, at least to me, that the McCanns do not believe them. In any case in the highly unlikely event that Madeleine is still alive (and again the behaviour of the McCanns strongly indicates that they know she is dead) then that abductor/s would be cunning people who would have changed Madeleine's appearance. Hardly rocket science, right? So, on that basis alone, the 'sightings' , particularly the later ones, are just ludicrous and it really is disgraceful that the media are still spouting such drivel. That Kate should have been giving more credence to mystics than to detectives speaks volumes about her own state of mind.

I suppose you could argue that the whole thing became rather like the Emperors Clothes. The McCanns determination to protect their reputations knew no limits. And, once the money started coming in, the vultures started circling and they still are.

It does sicken me that so many people have got rich off the back of poor little Madeleine. Adam Tudor from Carter Ruck has the bad taste to boast about how winning the Express libel case is a highlight of his career.

Thanks to Madeleine, we have some fat cat lawyers, media 'experts', media magnates getting even fatter and richer - as if they needed to.

Or perhaps that should be thanks to the negligence of Madeleine's parents and the collusion of their friends.

Where there's muck there's brass, as the saying goes.

If you go along with a theory that the 'marketing ploy' that Gerry speaks of (and remarkably early on) and the emphasis on 'the Fund' and a long term strategy your mind starts boggling. What on earth is going on? And what does it have to do with Madeleine?
Title: Re: Was the marketing ploy a long term strategy and why?
Post by: j.rob on January 17, 2014, 11:52:19 AM
As to the latest news reports that the police are following up a bungled burglar theory I presume these were planted by Clarence Mitchell. He must be running out of ideas and I presume he is clutching at straws as the bungled burglary theory is even more ludicrous than the random abduction by an unknown paedophile theory.

In the highly unlikely event that a burglar stole Madeleine (this really is a ridiculous theory) then what would the burglar do? Would your average petty criminal who hangs around a Portuguese holiday resort committing petty crimes be holding Madeleine hostage somewhere? But, back to basics, why would a petty thief steal a child? Especially a four year old - they are actually quite heavy and noisy (unless drugged). And are we really to believe that your average petty thief would go to the trouble of drugging children? It's just nonsensical.

On the other hand, perhaps the bungled burglars are leading the investigation in another direction. Certainly in a direction away from the McCanns and their friends. But bungled burglars would not be holding a child hostage. Where is Clarence Mitchell going with all this?
Title: Re: Was the marketing ploy a long term strategy and why?
Post by: stephen25000 on January 17, 2014, 01:00:33 PM
If we are to go along with the accidental injury/death/adverse reaction to drugs theory, then that could (at least partially) explain how the McCanns massively panicked and pulled rank. In the UK, and probably elsewhere, there is a very strong culture of covering up (medically-induced) negligence. There is a huge industry associated with it - medico-legal lawyers, departments in hospitals. There have been some very high profile cases recently that highlight the problem. Unless you have knowledge of it or have witnessed it at first hand, it is quite difficult to get your head around it from a moral point of view. But, unfortunately, the default mode when there has been a 'disaster' is to cover your backside. And there are large departments behind you with dubious titles like 'risk assessment' and 'medico-legal'. While ostensibly these exist to help patients, in reality they are also there to defend against negligence claims

So, I can understand that if there was some kind of (medically induced or otherwise) accident a team of doctors would be likely to adopt a certain strategy. What is more difficult to understand, if we go along with the accident theory, is why there was so much high-profile media/legal/celebrity support and endorsement.

You could argue that what initially started as a backside covering exercise then developed its own momentum and became something of an out-of-control monster. From their reactions in media interviews over the various 'sightings' of Madeleine it is clear, at least to me, that the McCanns do not believe them. In any case in the highly unlikely event that Madeleine is still alive (and again the behaviour of the McCanns strongly indicates that they know she is dead) then that abductor/s would be cunning people who would have changed Madeleine's appearance. Hardly rocket science, right? So, on that basis alone, the 'sightings' , particularly the later ones, are just ludicrous and it really is disgraceful that the media are still spouting such drivel. That Kate should have been giving more credence to mystics than to detectives speaks volumes about her own state of mind.

I suppose you could argue that the whole thing became rather like the Emperors Clothes. The McCanns determination to protect their reputations knew no limits. And, once the money started coming in, the vultures started circling and they still are.

It does sicken me that so many people have got rich off the back of poor little Madeleine. Adam Tudor from Carter Ruck has the bad taste to boast about how winning the Express libel case is a highlight of his career.

Thanks to Madeleine, we have some fat cat lawyers, media 'experts', media magnates getting even fatter and richer - as if they needed to.

Or perhaps that should be thanks to the negligence of Madeleine's parents and the collusion of their friends.

Where there's muck there's brass, as the saying goes.

If you go along with a theory that the 'marketing ploy' that Gerry speaks of (and remarkably early on) and the emphasis on 'the Fund' and a long term strategy your mind starts boggling. What on earth is going on? And what does it have to do with Madeleine?

Excellent post.

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Title: Re: Was the marketing ploy a long term strategy and why?
Post by: Luz on January 18, 2014, 08:16:21 PM
New thread.

Was the marketing ploy a long term strategy and why?

Of course it was a long term marketing strategy, that's why they registered the copyrights.

The McCann didn't have any scruples in using the most distinguishing features of their daughter, despite having been strongly advised not to do so by he authorities, because less than 2 weeks after her disappearance they were setting a Ltd Company in order to make money.

After their ostentatious behaviour contrary to what they had been advised the, then, Attorney General Fernando Pinto Monteiro suggested (in the article mentioned above by Vanity Fair) that one way or another the McCanns were responsible for their child’s death

It's sad to see parents put their own interests in front of their children, but even more so when it involves questions of life or death.
Title: Re: Was the marketing ploy a long term strategy and why?
Post by: AnneGuedes on January 18, 2014, 08:57:17 PM
From their reactions in media interviews over the various 'sightings' of Madeleine it is clear, at least to me, that the McCanns do not believe them.
In an interview in Portugal they were asked if it had occurred to them that a sighting could be Madeleine, they looked at each other, smiled and answered "no". Were they smiling because they could tell the truth ?
Title: Re: Was the marketing ploy a long term strategy and why?
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 19, 2014, 12:58:09 PM
In an interview in Portugal they were asked if it had occurred to them that a sighting could be Madeleine, they looked at each other, smiled and answered "no". Were they smiling because they could tell the truth ?

Their 'duping delight' which Dr Leal told us how to spot, is evident in various interviews.

Sky News 100 days being just one example.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZcfFTOti-s&feature=player_detailpage