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Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: carlymichelle on May 03, 2014, 11:23:56 AM
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May 03, 2014 07:55 By Richard Hartley-Parkinson
Peter Kirkham, a former Metropolitan Police detective has written exclusively for mirror.co.uk on the case
Today marks the seventh anniversary since Madeleine McCann went missing from an apartment in Portugal where she was sleeping while her parents ate at a restaurant with friends nearby.
Peter Kirkham, a former Metropolitan Police detective, has written exclusively for mirror.co.uk saying that he believes the disappearance is likely to be a mystery that will never be solved.
It’s now seven years since Madeleine McCann disappeared in Praia da Luz.
Tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of hours of investigation have been carried out by the Portuguese police, the private investigators employed by the McCann family and detectives from Scotland Yard.
But what has the investigation achieved?
Although recent developments have given the impression that significant progress is now being made, analysis shows that remarkably little is known with any certainty.
This case is, in the language of detectives, most definitely a “sticker”.
As in any investigation, the police need to establish what happened and prove who did it. In this case, unusually, they are unable to do either.
Pretty much all that has been established for sure is that Madeleine went missing during the night, whilst staying with her family in the Portuguese holiday resort.
Although there are numerous theories as to what may have happened to her, no evidence has been found which conclusively proves or disproves any of them.
All, therefore, remain possible hypotheses which the investigators must keep in mind.
The investigation – and the extensive worldwide publicity – has failed to find any direct witness to what happened on the night of May 3 2007.
The nearest the police have got is two witnesses reporting that they saw a man carrying young children nearby.
One of those sightings has eventually been eliminated.
The other has only led to a description and an artist’s impression of a possible suspect.
No-one has yet identified them.
It has been suggested that the crime scene was not initially secured as well as it could have been and some physical trace evidence could have been lost.
Whether or not that is the case, we know there is no fingerprint or DNA sample from the scene from which a suspect can be identified.
Scotland Yard detectives have recently identified two other lines of enquiry.
The first involves tracing a number of people who mobile telephone records place in the area at the time and who have not previously come forward.
The second relates to a linked series of sexual assaults on young children in tourist apartments around Praia da Luz at the time.
The first of these may lead to new information from a new witness, but I think it unlikely.
The second is more promising.
One of the hypotheses is that Madeleine was taken away by someone for a sexual motive.
If a suspect for the series of offences can be identified and traced there is a possibility (but nothing more) that they may be connected with the disappearance of Madeleine.
The longer cases like this go on, the more unlikely it is that they will be solved.
But the police will continue to follow-up all viable lines of enquiry and, sooner or later, if there is some breakthrough evidence there to be found it will come to light.
But I think there is a distinct possibility that this case will turn out to be one of those real, genuine mysteries which is never solved.
That said, as time goes on there is one thing which becomes more likely and that is a call from someone who knows what happened and who has been keeping it secret all this time.
It may be an offender or someone close to them.
But the passage of time, especially with such a high-profile case, makes it ever more difficult to keep the secret.
If there is someone out there with such information, that call could come at any time and when it does it will break the case wide open.
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'Although there are numerous theories as to what may have happened to her, no evidence has been found which conclusively proves or disproves any of them.
All, therefore, remain possible hypotheses which the investigators must keep in mind.'
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIH-AX2LlYA
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'Although there are numerous theories as to what may have happened to her, no evidence has been found which conclusively proves or disproves any of them.
All, therefore, remain possible hypotheses which the investigators must keep in mind.'
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIH-AX2LlYA
so in other words both police forces are very open minded??
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I agree with him and find his statement...
The second relates to a linked series of sexual assaults on young children in tourist apartments around Praia da Luz at the time.
The first of these may lead to new information from a new witness, but I think it unlikely.
The second is more promising.
So although he thinks the case may never be solved he finds SYs line of investigation the most promising...lets hope they are allowed to continue it and are not obstructed by the PJ
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I agree with him and find his statement...
The second relates to a linked series of sexual assaults on young children in tourist apartments around Praia da Luz at the time.
The first of these may lead to new information from a new witness, but I think it unlikely.
The second is more promising.
So although he thinks the case may never be solved he finds SYs line of investigation the most promising...lets hope they are allowed to continue it and are not obstructed by the PJ
That could be interpreted as the best of a bad bunch.
I am interested that he has a low opinion of the phone signals, as this has been heralded as some potentially great breakthrough.
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That could be interpreted as the best of a bad bunch.
I am interested that he has a low opinion of the phone signals, as this has been heralded as some potentially great breakthrough.
it will be tragedy if SY cannot take their investigations further
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it will be tragedy if SY cannot take their investigations further
It will, but perhaps, as the man says, this case simply will not be solved.
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It will, but perhaps, as the man says, this case simply will not be solved.
I agree with him that the case probably wont be solved...but give SY a chance having already invested 6 million
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I agree with him that the case probably wont be solved...but give SY having already invested 6 million
SY haven't invested anything - the British government has allocated taxpayers money to this investigation.
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SY haven't invested anything - the British government has allocated taxpayers money to this investigation.
I didn't say SY have invested anything..6 million has been invested
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I agree with him that the case probably wont be solved...but give SY a chance having already invested 6 million
you mean taxpayers money , in excess of £6,000,000 by now and increasing.
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SY haven't invested anything - the British government has allocated taxpayers money to this investigation.
Sorry Jassi.
Posts overlapped.
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you mean taxpayers money , in excess of £6,000,000 by now and increasing.
of course its taxpayers money ....and as long as Portugal delay things the more it will cost
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of course its taxpayers money ....and as long as Portugal delay things the more it will cost
You are assuming there is something to find..........................
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You are assuming there is something to find..........................
im assuming nothing...SY have viable leads and these should be followed up... if they come to nothing...then theres nothing more that can be done
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im assuming nothing...SY have viable leads and these should be followed up... if they come to nothing...then theres nothing more that can be done
Are these the viable leads to Mr. Pot Belly ?
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Are these the viable leads to Mr. Pot Belly ?
SY have leads they want to investigate and the author of this article agrees
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SY have leads they want to investigate and the author of this article agrees
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Viable..........................
i.e. a reason to justify the excessive spending on this case
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Viable..........................
i.e. a reason to justify the excessive spending on this case
This is how much investigations cost...you seem to want the investigation to stop
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This is how much investigations cost...you seem to want the investigation to stop
Exactly what has this investigation found to date that is of any value ?
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Exactly what has this investigation found to date that is of any value ?
Innocent creche dad & the distant sound of bin lorries.
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Innocent creche dad & the distant sound of bin lorries.
And a nice T-shirt. Don't forget the T-shirt 8(0(*
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Exactly what has this investigation found to date that is of any value ?
if only the mcanns had stayed with their children who should have had value maddie would not be in this position 7 years later
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Exactly what has this investigation found to date that is of any value ?
have you not realised...they are yet to be able to investigate
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have you not realised...they are yet to be able to investigate
How many more million do you think they might spend before they are through?
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How many more million do you think they might spend before they are through?
no disrepect to little maddie but that is british tax payers money too isnt it?? when some cant afford food heating etc
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no disrepect to little maddie but that is british tax payers money too isnt it?? when some cant afford food heating etc
we are spending more on assange...google it
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How many more million do you think they might spend before they are through?
I think they need to at least follow the leads they have established...as this article says the break ins may be significant...it seems Portugal is obstructing and it will therefore be more expensive. I cannot see SY just walking away...unless Portugal cooperate it could cause friction between Portugal and the UK
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That said, as time goes on there is one thing which becomes more likely and that is a call from someone who knows what happened and who has been keeping it secret all this time.
It may be an offender or someone close to them.
Someone close to the McCanns yes I think so. A secret hopefully one day will be told.
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if only the mcanns had stayed with their children who should have had value maddie would not be in this position 7 years later
I don't blame the parents I blame the abductor
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We are told it is a very fluid investigation, which would imply that changes are occurring all the time.
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We are told it is a very fluid investigation, which would imply that changes are occurring all the time.
I am very confident that a police force as professional as SY will have looked first at the parents and they have been ruled out...you can throw mud and some will stick on the forums but that is all you are doing...throwing mud
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I am very confident that a police force as professional as SY will have looked first at the parents and they have been ruled out...you can throw mud and some will stick on the forums but that is all you are doing...throwing mud
I think the opposite might be true here like in Channel 4 Dispatches Searching for Madeleine.
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id460.html (http://www.mccannfiles.com/id460.html)
McCanns evidence 'doesn't add up' Daily Mirror
EXCLUSIVE THE HUNT FOR MADELEINE Brit team questions Kate's reaction
Stewart Maclean In Praia Da Luz
18/10/2007
A team of British crime specialists who have scrutinised the Madeleine McCann case claim there are inconsistencies in her parents' version of events.
The retired experts believe there is a question mark over Kate's response when she discovered the four-year-old was missing.
Forensic scientist Professor David Barclay, part of the four-man team who reviewed the case for Channel Four's Dispatches show, said: "We examined all of the available evidence and the conclusion we came to was that there appeared to be some significant inconsistencies.
"One thing we looked for was any sign of 'staging', the term we use for the actions of someone who has committed a crime and wants to 'stage it' to appear someone else has done it.
"The first words apparently spoken by Kate McCann when she discovered Madeleine had vanished were significant. She is supposed to have said 'They've taken her, they've taken her' - which seems a strange choice of phrase.
"I don't think that would have been my first reaction if my child had gone missing."
Prof Barclay also questioned the McCanns' claims that an abductor got into their Praia da Luz holiday flat through the back shutters.
He said: "We checked the scene of the crime and it struck us immediately how unlikely it would be for anyone to try and access the apartment through the back windows. The shutters there were firmly shut and couldn't be opened and the car park behind the flat was overlooked.
"We're not saying it was impossible to have gained entry that way, but with all of our collected years of experience to us it seemed highly unlikely and a very implausible scenario.
"It could be that claim is consistent with staging, but without full knowledge of all of the facts in the case it would be impossible to say for sure."
Prof Barclay visited the crime scene along with ex-Detective Chief Superintendent Chris Stevenson, the man who caught Soham killer Ian Huntley and psychological profiler David Canter.
The will seen on tonight's show visiting key sites and seeing footage of the police in action.
Prof Barclay, 62, added: "There has been a tendency to criticise the Portuguese police but on the whole they did a pretty good job.
"However, they made two big mistakes. Firstly, they did not seal off the crime scene anywhere nearly quick enough. Secondly, in my opinion they were not aggressive enough with the McCanns in the first stage of the investigation.
"It is actually for the parents' benefit in cases like this that the police tackle them robustly and demand a comprehensive account of their movements during the relevant timeframe."
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I have omitted all except the only relevant part of your post -- the date the article you link to was written ...
I think the opposite might be true here like in Channel 4 Dispatches Searching for Madeleine.
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id460.html (http://www.mccannfiles.com/id460.html)
18/10/2007
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I have omitted all except the only relevant part of your post -- the date the article you link to was written ...
8-)(--) The parents and their friends will be investigated otherwise SY haven't done their job properly. They will be left to the end once all other possibilities are investigated and it can be solved.
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8-)(--) The parents and their friends will be investigated otherwise SY haven't done their job properly. They will be left to the end once all other possibilities are investigated and it can be solved.
The parents were investigated by the PJ back in 2007-8 and cleared.
Are you accusing the PJ of not doing their job properly?
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In line with normal police procedure SY's first task would have been to investigate the McCanns and their friends IMO, in order to rule them in or out.
As a result of the findings of those investigations they have been ruled out as suspects or even persons of interest.
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In line with normal police procedure SY's first task would have been to investigate the McCanns and their friends IMO, in order to rule them in or out.
As a result of the findings of those investigations they have been ruled out as suspects or even persons of interest.
“We were told that the UK would not accept any investigation of the McCanns – there was a lack of cooperation,”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/portugal/6974917/Madeleine-McCanns-death-covered-up-by-parents-who-faked-kidnap-court-hears.html
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“We were told that the UK would not accept any investigation of the McCanns – there was a lack of cooperation,”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/portugal/6974917/Madeleine-McCanns-death-covered-up-by-parents-who-faked-kidnap-court-hears.html
A load of lies by amaral and his gang of thugs...containing the line....
Giving evidence, Mr de Almeida said that the dogs had identified blood and the scent of a human corpse inside the childrens’ bedroom and the dining room of the McCanns’ holiday flat.
This is why maddie deserves a proper investigation by a proper police force
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“We were told that the UK would not accept any investigation of the McCanns – there was a lack of cooperation,”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/portugal/6974917/Madeleine-McCanns-death-covered-up-by-parents-who-faked-kidnap-court-hears.html
Not according to Amaral - who wrote in his book.................
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It is important to stress that the professionalism of the English police is not in question; actually a bonus for the investigation, their intervention on the ground did not conflict in any way with Portuguese national sovereignty. On the contrary, it lies within the framework of international cooperation between police forces
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A load of lies by amaral and his gang of thugs...containing the line....
Giving evidence, Mr de Almeida said that the dogs had identified blood and the scent of a human corpse inside the childrens’ bedroom and the dining room of the McCanns’ holiday flat.
This is why maddie deserves a proper investigation by a proper police force
Indeed, find her remains and give her a proper burial imo.
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no disrepect to little maddie but that is british tax payers money too isnt it?? when some cant afford food heating etc
Do you want "justice for Maddie" or not? Justice sometimes costs a lot of money to implement. Would you rather everyone gave up after the first million was spent? What price justice?
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Do you want "justice for Maddie" or not? Justice sometimes costs a lot of money to implement. Would you rather everyone gave up after the first million was spent? What price justice?
if the investigation was pointing towards the mccanns these posters would welcome it...what makes it unpopular for some is that it is treating the mccanns as innocent
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Do you want "justice for Maddie" or not? Justice sometimes costs a lot of money to implement. Would you rather everyone gave up after the first million was spent? What price justice?
Personally, Carly, I think they are looking for a lot more than just one man.
I can see a clean up rather like the clean up after Jimmy Savile, but on a larger scale. That is if the peeps are NOT untouchables. I fear the worst on that score.
This will bring Justice to a lot of people and hopefully bring more people/ kids back to their families.
I hope that I am right. It is only my opinion based upon pointers I have found.
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Do you want "justice for Maddie" or not? Justice sometimes costs a lot of money to implement. Would you rather everyone gave up after the first million was spent? What price justice?
Personally - as a tax payer - I have no problem at all with the cost of an investigation to find out what happened to a little British girl who disappeared abroad - and I would be delighted if I heard that SY were going to do the same with the Ben Needham case.
Even if the case isn't solved, a great deal of knowledge and information will have been gained by our police force which can only be an advantage when dealing with future cases of abducted children - whose chances of being found will be enhanced as a result of the experience gained in this investigation. IMO.
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Do you want "justice for Maddie" or not? Justice sometimes costs a lot of money to implement. Would you rather everyone gave up after the first million was spent? What price justice?
Exactly. At how many millions would you draw the line? Ten? - Twenty? - fifty?
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Exactly. At how many millions would you draw the line? Ten? - Twenty? - fifty?
if SY feel they have viable leads...should these be ignored?
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if SY feel they have viable leads...should these be ignored?
There may come a point/time when they have to be.
If the financial plug was pulled, for whatever reason, that would be the end of the investigation, irrespective of how many viable leads there might be.
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There may come a point/time when they have to be.
If the financial plug was pulled, for whatever reason, that would be the end of the investigation, irrespective of how many viable leads there might be.
of course but the plug is not being pulled and I think as long as there are viable leads...that's up to sy...it will not be pulled
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of course but the plug is not being pulled and I think as long as there are viable leads...that's up to sy...it will not be pulled
Its up to the politicians - they are funding the investigation.
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Its up to the politicians - they are funding the investigation.
of course it is and I think that as long as there are viable leads...tahts up to SY...no politician will halt the search
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of course it is and I think that as long as there are viable leads...tahts up to SY...no politician will halt the search
No, they will just have a quiet word with SY and all of a sudden the leads will be no longer viable 8(0(*
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Exactly. At how many millions would you draw the line? Ten? - Twenty? - fifty?
IMO there should be no lines drawn based on the cost, but if there gets to be a point when it is clear that every possible avenue has been exhausted with little chance of further progress then that's probably the point at which to draw the line.
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IMO there should be no lines drawn based on the cost, but if there gets to be a point when it is clear that every possible avenue has been exhausted with little chance of further progress then that's probably the point at which to draw the line.
So the life of a child is priceless?
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Exactly. At how many millions would you draw the line? Ten? - Twenty? - fifty?
If the last time I'd read Article 276 of the Portuguese Penal Process Code is still valid, the most precious commodity is time.
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IMO there should be no lines drawn based on the cost, but if there gets to be a point when it is clear that every possible avenue has been exhausted with little chance of further progress then that's probably the point at which to draw the line.
As I'd mentioned to someone else:
If the last time I'd read Article 276 of the Portuguese Penal Process Code is still valid, the most precious commodity is time.
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have you not realised...they are yet to be able to investigate
The ex-detective said all theories should be examined did he not ?
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The ex-detective said all theories should be examined did he not ?
and as we have discussed SY would have looked at the mccanns first...how many times do you need telling...and declared them not suspects
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and as we have discussed SY would have looked at the mccanns first...how many times do you need telling...and declared them not suspects
What did the article say davel ?
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What did the article say davel ?
Stephen, SY are professional. They would have examined Kate and Gerry first followed by the tapas group
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Stephen, SY are professional. They would have examined Kate and Gerry first followed by the tapas group
So why has this ex-Met officer said all theories ?
and do you seriously believe all police officers believe the mccanns story ?//
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So why has this ex-Met officer said all theories ?
and do you seriously believe all police officers believe the mccanns story ?//
To be sure you would have to ask him what he meant...do you think SY have not looked at the parents...I have no idea what ALL police officers think...it isn't relevant...some are not that bright
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To be sure you would have to ask him what he meant...do you think SY have not looked at the parents...I have no idea what ALL police officers think...it isn't relevant...some are not that bright
Or of course some can see through the mccanns story for what it is. 8((()*/
meanwhile the current investigative team has found diddly squat, and that is being generous.
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Or of course some can see through the mccanns story for what it is. 8((()*/
meanwhile the current investigative team has found diddly squat, and that is being generous.
First ..SY believe them...you don't...I'll go with SY
SY have found something...the sexual assaults...at the moment they cannot investigate them...hopefully this will cahange
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First ..SY believe them...you don't...I'll go with SY
SY have found something...the sexual assaults...at the moment they cannot investigate them...hopefully this will cahange
Precisely what evidence links the assaults to Madeliene's disappearance, other than hearsay ?
As to SY , well judge them by their results as you have the PJ. 8((()*/
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Precisely what evidence links the assaults to Madeliene's disappearance, other than hearsay ?
As to SY , well judge them by their rrsults as you have the PJ. 8((()*/
None at all, but it looks good and reinforces the image of sexual predator as abductor.
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None at all, but it looks good and reinforces the image of sexual predator as abductor.
Precisely.
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Precisely what evidence links the assaults to Madeliene's disappearance, other than hearsay ?
As to SY , well judge them by their results as you have the PJ. 8((()*/
I will judge them when they have finshed their investigation
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I will judge them when they have finshed their investigation
Into Mr. Pot Belly or is it Mr. Neanderthal ?
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The case will be solved when one of three things happen...
i) Madeleine walks into a police station.
i) Madeline's remains are found by accident.
iii) Someone informs.
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iv) If they identify Smithman
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There was a time when the McCann doubters couldn't wait for the PT authorities to re-open the case, so much so that they (the doubters) would delight in mocking the McCanns by suggesting that all that needed to happen was for them to invest in the price of a stamp to stick on a letter instructing the PJ to re-open the case (which was a ridiculous suggestion in every way). Now it seems the doubters can't wait for the case to be shelved again, it's really most bizarre.
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There was a time when the McCann doubters couldn't wait for the PT authorities to re-open the case, so much so that they (the doubters) would delight in mocking the McCanns by suggesting that all that needed to happen was for them to invest in the price of a stamp to stick on a letter instructing the PJ to re-open the case (which was a ridiculous suggestion in every way). Now it seems the doubters can't wait for the case to be shelved again, it's really most bizarre.
Perhaps you haven't got the message yet.
When the case was 're-opened' it was reasonable to assume that different scenarios would be investigated as regards to the fate of Madeleine.
Perhaps you too should read the article by the former met officer.
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the opnly reason there is any criticism of the SY investigation is because they have declared the McCcanns not suspects and certain posters on here can't stand it.
More has been spent on the Assange case where he is accused of a sexual assault on two women who happily shared his bed and consented to sex. The alleged offences happened in another country and were not reported until months later. No one on this forum, apart from me has complained about the millions spent on this case yet we have lots of complaints about the maddie case. So let Asssange walk free to any country he choses and spend the money on Maddie.
The SY investigation will be seen through as it should be until its enquiries are complete.
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An open investigation davel, means as the Ex-Met Officer said in the article yesterday, ALL SCENARIOS.
Do you comprehend that davel. ???
Thts not an open investigation...you have used the wrong word. Any competent police force will loo at all scenarios and the fact that SY have declared the McCanns not suspects shows that they have looked at them and ruled them out. The PJ ddi not look at all scenarios and wrongly concentrated on the parents
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Thts not an open investigation...you have used the wrong word. Any competent police force will loo at all scenarios and the fact that SY have declared the McCanns not suspects shows that they have looked at them and ruled them out. The PJ ddi not look at all scenarios and wrongly concentrated on the parents
Incorrect as usual.
The PJ looked at abduction and found no evidence.
Incidentally, that's not changed.
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Incorrect as usual.
The PJ looked at abduction and found no evidence.
Incidentally, that's not changed.
So why are SY looking at abduction
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It is probably worth remembering that up until last year the search for Madeleine McCann has been financed privately and kept in the public eye by the tenacity of Madeleine’s parents.
The official reopening of Madeleine’s case was achieved only after years of concerted lobbying whoever they could to have an official investigation into her abduction.
The question that springs to mind for me is why victims of a crime have been forced to raise funding to pay for private investigators in a bid to find out what happened to their daughter?
Only an official investigation has any hope of getting to the root of what happened and it is disgraceful that it has taken so long for one to be started.
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It is probably worth remembering that up until last year the search for Madeleine McCann has been financed privately and kept in the public eye by the tenacity of Madeleine’s parents.
The official reopening of Madeleine’s case was achieved only after years of concerted lobbying whoever they could to have an official investigation into her abduction.
The question that springs to mind for me is why victims of a crime have been forced to raise funding to pay for private investigators in a bid to find out what happened to their daughter?
Only an official investigation has any hope of getting to the root of what happened and it is disgraceful that it has taken so long for one to be started.
This isn't unique. There was a case of a young woman, murdered in Kenya, whose Father employed private detectives to investigate the crime.
When a crime occurs outside the jurisdiction of the UK, I'm not sure that public money should be used to investigate.
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This isn't unique. There was a case of a young woman, murdered in Kenya, whose Father employed private detectives to investigate the crime.
When a crime occurs outside the jurisdiction of the UK, I'm not sure that public money should be used to investigate.
SY investigated that case as well
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SY investigated that case as well
Obviously not to the father's satisfaction, as he sold his house and spent his own money in his search for the truth.
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Obviously not to the father's satisfaction, as he sold his house and spent his own money in his search for the truth.
Read up on it..the father was an ex detective and finally got SY involved..I think you will find the father was very happy with SY's contribution...
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-15598775
re the kenyan case and a JOINT investigation...UK and Kenya
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It is probably worth remembering that up until last year the search for Madeleine McCann has been financed privately and kept in the public eye by the tenacity of Madeleine’s parents.
The official reopening of Madeleine’s case was achieved only after years of concerted lobbying whoever they could to have an official investigation into her abduction.
The question that springs to mind for me is why victims of a crime have been forced to raise funding to pay for private investigators in a bid to find out what happened to their daughter?
Only an official investigation has any hope of getting to the root of what happened and it is disgraceful that it has taken so long for one to be started.
There was an official investigation which was shelved despite the fact that the McCann's could have requested it remained live. It's also worth remembering that certain aspects of their privately funded investigation were withheld from the public, information that could have identified the person they believed to have abducted their child.
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There was an official investigation which was shelved despite the fact that the McCann's could have requested it remained live. It's also worth remembering that certain aspects of their privately funded investigation were withheld from the public, information that could have identified the person they believed to have abducted their child.
Hmmm ~ would that be the well known postage stamp thing? Seems there was quite a bit of work put in by Helen Monteiro's team to get the reopening of the case off the ground, so possibly not as simple as sticking a stamp on an envelope.
"were withheld from the public" - Were they now?
Remind me, why was it that the Sunday Times issued an apology to the Drs McCann?
I seem to recall there being something about these efits being in the hands of Leicestershire police and the PJ.
One wonders if they ended up in Ricardo Paiva's file which contained articles 'not relevant to the investigation'?
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Hmmm ~ would that be the well known postage stamp thing? Seems there was quite a bit of work put in by Helen Monteiro's team to get the reopening of the case off the ground, so possibly not as simple as sticking a stamp on an envelope.
"were withheld from the public" - Were they now?
Remind me, why was it that the Sunday Times issued an apology to the Drs McCann?
I seem to recall there being something about these efits being in the hands of Leicestershire police and the PJ.
One wonders if they ended up in Ricardo Paiva's file which contained articles 'not relevant to the investigation'?
They had a legal right to prevent the case from being shelved, having not exercised said right a reopening was bound to be more involved.
Hmmm~ remind me did the e-fits appear in Kates book along with Tannerman?
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There was an official investigation which was shelved despite the fact that the McCann's could have requested it remained live.
It's also worth remembering that certain aspects of their privately funded investigation were withheld from the public, information that could have identified the person they believed to have abducted their child.
I take it you are referring to an article in the Sunday Times - which you appear to accept as completely accurate. Can I take it therefore that you also accept as completely accurate the other claim made in that same article, i.e. that Martin Smith no longer believes the man he saw carrying a child was Gerry McCann?
Quote from the Times
Smith has since stressed that he does not believe the man he saw was Gerry, and Scotland Yard do not consider this a possibility. Last week the McCanns were told officially by the Portuguese authorities that they are not suspects.
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..............and SY have found ???
I'll give you a clue.
Two initials of the alphabet. 8)-)))
SY have not yet had a chance to take their investigations further..lets see what happens if the Portuguese continue to obstruct