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Alleged Miscarriages of Justice => Jeremy Bamber and the callous murder of his father, mother, sister and twin nephews. Case effectively CLOSED by CCRC on basis of NO APPEAL REFERRAL. => Topic started by: cathythe sceptic on June 23, 2012, 05:35:46 PM
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Hi all
never posted beforebut have followed both forums for a while - came to the case open-minded,maybe a bit pro bamber as there are so many hideous mojs but now firmly convinced of bambers guilt
anyway,reason for posting now is I think Jackie has been banned because she has finally stumbled on the truth- that is that her 2 heroes NGB and S McK are not at all interested in Bamber per se.For Ngb,jb is just a business opportunity,like many others he prob has on the go --worth staking a few quid on paying for some tests in Arizona -see if jb can get out,then kerching film rights book deals etc.For S Mck,wellits been a long time since Lee clegg,he could do with another high profile case couldn't he?
these are the only 2 who give th case any credibility whatsoever -the others are doubtless lovely ,well-meaning people,but they spend all their time building massive castles on sand,turning Sheila's mild schizophrenia into a a case of raving,murderous lunacy based on absolutely no evidence whatsoever and coming with totally ludicrous 'explanations'and excuses for all the many,many pointers to jb's guilt
Anyway all the above is just imho
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Hello Cathy, great post.
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Welcome, cathythe sceptic! 8((()*/
I wouldn´t call paranoid schizophrenia mild in any case! There are reports of Sheila having violent outbursts (from her boyfriend, Freddie something.)
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Abs,she was NOT a paranoid schizophrenic - her diagnosis,according to her own specialist,and not the arm-chair psychiatrists on the pro jb forum was of mild schizophrenia and this is confirmed by her husband in his book,there is no mention anywhere of paranoid symptons at all.this is a fiction,made up by jb and repeated ad nauseam by his supporters
thanks sika
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Abs,she was NOT a paranoid schizophrenic - her diagnosis,according to her own specialist,and not the arm-chair psychiatrists on the pro jb forum was of mild schizophrenia and this is confirmed by her husband in his book,there is no mention anywhere of paranoid symptons at all.this is a fiction,made up by jb and repeated ad nauseam by his supporters
thanks sika
Sheila thought her sons were the devil´s children (according to her doctor), and that one of them was capable of having sex with her/raping her. That sounds pretty paranoid and delusional to me!
She was on a rather high dosis of Haloperidol, a medication given to patients with schizofrenia. It had (wrongly) been halved prior to the murders.
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Hi Abs
I 'm not saying that her symptoms were not seroius,even mild schizophrenia entails some really horrible delusionsand very bad reactions,its just that to me - not that I,m any kind of expert,just commenting as a lay person- there seems to be a very very wide margin between the type of outbursts reported by eg freddie and the kind of psychopathic rage which makes you massacre your entire family
the women that i have read of killing their own children seem to have 1 thing in common and that is an overwhelming desire to have revenge on their spouses - I haven't seen anyhting to that effect inthe many reports i have read about Shiela
Also ,suffocation,drowning in the bath seems to be the kind of method used,not a shooting spree killing every last person in the vicinity
Anyway I am not wedded to my ideas,just remain to be convinced by the tales of tardive dykensia,gurning unconfirmed post partum psychosis et al which seem to be the stock in trade of the jb is just a poor,confused,lonely little lad brigade!
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I have given the thread a new title worthy of your discussions girls.
Sorry for interrupting. 8((()*/
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although this thread seems to be about sheila's capacity for murder,I'm actually at least as interested in any feed-back re my comments on Jackie's banning,or is that not something I should be raising here?
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I have all the books on the Bamber case, and have read statements, documents etc. NOWHERE have i seen it mentioned that Sheila suffered Tardive Dyskinesia. That incidentally cannot be cured. The Procyclideine i suspect, would have been to countercat the drowsiness caised by her antipsychotic drug, Haloperidol.
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I have all the books on the Bamber case, and have read statements, documents etc. NOWHERE have i seen it mentioned that Sheila suffered Tardive Dyskinesia. That incidentally cannot be cured. The Procyclideine i suspect, would have been to countercat the drowsiness caised by her antipsychotic drug, Haloperidol.
An excellent point Andrea. This Tardive Dyskinesia debate seems to have taken on a life of it's own. This is just another piece of hogwash by the blue forum. Well pointed out 8((()*/
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Thanks, Ian.
Her illness does seem to be getting more serious by the day, doesnt it!! Her own DR diagnosed her with mild Schizophrenia. Psychosis can happen in a normally mentally well person. if a person is under stress for any length of time that can cause Psychosis. It isnt exclusive to Schizophrenia.
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cathy, why dont you register on here, it makes it easier to post!
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hi Andrea
yes I will - have had a fab cambodian dinner plus loads of rum'n'cokes down the pub ,so prob don't make any sense tonite,so will reg in the morning - but just must say that nothing I have read anywhere makes me think that sheila icould be guilty 'beyond reasonable doubt' I am absolutely certain that jb's defence team would have used anything at all in her medical notes to build a case against --theyare never'ever squeemish about such things--her and they didn't because they couldn't.jb supporters will say that so much more is known about propbs with meds for people with psychiatric disorders and women that kill their children and so forth,but I am sas certain as I can be that for evbery woman who has probs with her medication and goes on to kill their loved ones,there are 10,000 who don't.The truth is that the vast vast majority of these terribly sad sad people harm themselves,rather than others
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Well, they are more likely to be a victim of crime themselves, yes.
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yes totally agree - many of those with mental health problems either harm themselves or are the victims - rather than the perpetrators of crime -to the shame of our society
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yes totally agree - many of those with mental health problems either harm themselves or are the victims - rather than the perpetrators of crime -to the shame of our society
Absolutely.
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Coooeee Mat - haven't you worked it out yet??
It wasn't John or Tim - these men do not do things like that....
It seems Jackie may also have been getting the blame for things she hadn't done!!
Wake up! Catch up! Then squabble all you like!
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yes totally agree - many of those with mental health problems either harm themselves or are the victims - rather than the perpetrators of crime -to the shame of our society
Absolutely.
I know how it looks but don't right me off yet... @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* 8(0(*
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Nor me! @)(++(*
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Coooeee Mat - haven't you worked it out yet??
It wasn't John or Tim - these men do not do things like that....
It seems Jackie may also have been getting the blame for things she hadn't done!!
Wake up! Catch up! Then squabble all you like!
Ho ho!! It seems like this is a night of firsts!! Jackie and us, all singing from the same hymn sheet!!
To do a pious Gladys.....give the pitbull a bone if it growls at you. It might just lick you.
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Coooeee Mat - haven't you worked it out yet??
It wasn't John or Tim - these men do not do things like that....
It seems Jackie may also have been getting the blame for things she hadn't done!!
Wake up! Catch up! Then squabble all you like!
Ho ho!! It seems like this is a night of firsts!! Jackie and us, all singing from the same hymn sheet!!
To do a pious Gladys.....give the pitbull a bone if it growls at you. It might just lick you.
Shona when can we meet for a coffee - I desperately need a night of laughter and you seem like the person that will make me wet my knickers; literally...
I need a wet your knickers kinda night but not like that lady from Grahame Norton, kinda wet your knickers... @)(++(*
I like willy too - just aint getting any that's all... @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
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Nor me! @)(++(*
Andrea what are we like... @)(++(* seems like you've been under attack... 8(8-))
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I dont mind being under attack, Steph. Its when my family are brought into it that i get a bit pissed off.
I can cope with it, my skin should be like kevlar (hope i spelt that right) @)(++(*
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Coooeee Mat - haven't you worked it out yet??
It wasn't John or Tim - these men do not do things like that....
It seems Jackie may also have been getting the blame for things she hadn't done!!
Wake up! Catch up! Then squabble all you like!
Ho ho!! It seems like this is a night of firsts!! Jackie and us, all singing from the same hymn sheet!!
To do a pious Gladys.....give the pitbull a bone if it growls at you. It might just lick you.
Shona when can we meet for a coffee - I desperately need a night of laughter and you seem like the person that will make me wet my knickers; literally...
I need a wet your knickers kinda night but not like that lady from Grahame Norton, kinda wet your knickers... @)(++(*
I like willy too - just aint getting any that's all... @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
Just think what's in the willy bank, Steph!! When Simon comes home, we won't be hearing from you for quite a while!!
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Coooeee Mat - haven't you worked it out yet??
It wasn't John or Tim - these men do not do things like that....
It seems Jackie may also have been getting the blame for things she hadn't done!!
Wake up! Catch up! Then squabble all you like!
Ho ho!! It seems like this is a night of firsts!! Jackie and us, all singing from the same hymn sheet!!
To do a pious Gladys.....give the pitbull a bone if it growls at you. It might just lick you.
Shona when can we meet for a coffee - I desperately need a night of laughter and you seem like the person that will make me wet my knickers; literally...
I need a wet your knickers kinda night but not like that lady from Grahame Norton, kinda wet your knickers... @)(++(*
I like willy too - just aint getting any that's all... @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
Just think what's in the willy bank, Steph!! When Simon comes home, we won't be hearing from you for quite a while!!
Don't go there - I get told enough stories by him.... @)(++(* @)(++(*
I reckon it'll be one minute wonder for a day or so... @)(++(*
I've already got the bromide and I'll make sure I have a bucket of cold water by the bed... @)(++(*
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I was reading the Independent yesterday and read an article about empathy and praire vole:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/prairie-vole-mouse-like-creature-capable-of-showing-emotional-sympathy-a6826241.html
Also in the article it said schizophrenics lack empathy which I was unaware of:
"The findings could further the understanding of the fundamental role played by empathy in certain psychiatric conditions such as schizophrenia or developmental disorders such as autism, where empathy is lacking, the scientists said".
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The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fifth Edition (DSM-5) makes a number of changes to schizophrenia at 1.2.2
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DSM-5#Schizophrenia_spectrum_and_other_psychotic_disorders
http://www.dsm5.org/Documents/Schizophrenia%20fact%20Sheet.pdf
I've never been certain of Dr Ferguson's diagnosis of June or Sheila.
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The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fifth Edition (DSM-5) makes a number of changes to schizophrenia at 1.2.2
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DSM-5#Schizophrenia_spectrum_and_other_psychotic_disorders
http://www.dsm5.org/Documents/Schizophrenia%20fact%20Sheet.pdf
I've never been certain of Dr Ferguson's diagnosis of June or Sheila.
If Dr ferguson made a wrong diagnosis one good alternative diagnosis would be postnatal psychosis
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If Dr ferguson made a wrong diagnosis one good alternative diagnosis would be postnatal psychosis
For six years?
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If Dr ferguson made a wrong diagnosis one good alternative diagnosis would be postnatal psychosis
Hmmm 6 years on? I was thinking bi-polar &%+((£
How any psychiatrist could ever think it possible to have a mentally ill adoptive mother and adopted daughter and mass murdering adopted son all from a middle class family and not think it worthy of further investigation is beyond me.
When I say middle class I mean it's not as though they were plagued by poor housing and scrapping around to put food on the table etc. All things that can exacerbate mental health problems.
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Hmmm 6 years on? I was thinking bi-polar &%+((£
How any psychiatrist could ever think it possible to have a mentally ill adoptive mother and adopted daughter and mass murdering adopted son all from a middle class family and not think it worthy of further investigation is beyond me.
When I say middle class I mean it's not as though they were plagued by poor housing and scrapping around to put food on the table etc. All things that can exacerbate mental health problems.
But June's problem was depression (not religious mania, I fully understand why she found comfort in religion) and Bamber showed hardly any outward signs of his psychopathy until he murdered everyone.