Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Video Library => Topic started by: faithlilly on August 09, 2014, 10:04:47 AM
Title: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: faithlilly on August 09, 2014, 10:04:47 AM
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Interesting video.
BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA - The True Story of Madeleine McCann - PART 1
The Madeleine McCann disappearance has become one of the most enduring mysteries of our time. It has generated thousands of front page headlines in the UK press. Despite the unprecedented coverage, few people have any detailed understanding of the circumstantial and physical evidence of the case. The mainstream media has been used to create diversion and confusion over what really happened, rather than inform their readers about the facts.
Our four documentaries represent the most detailed film based analysis of the Madeleine McCann story, leaving the viewer with an understanding of the comprehensive establishment led cover up, and offer suggestions as to what all the evidence really points to.
The first film in this series, entitled “The Initial Storm” examines in a level of detail never described before in any TV documentary, the evidence of the first night when Madeleine is alleged to have disappeared.
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: John on August 09, 2014, 06:14:39 PM
The second film, “Dogs Don’t Lie”, reports on the compelling findings of one of the worlds top sniffer dog handlers, Martin Grime, whose two dogs searched for scent at key locations in Praia Da Luz.
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: John on August 09, 2014, 06:27:52 PM
We reveal evidence and detailed testimony about the government agencies who were claiming to be searching for Madeleine or helping the McCanns, but was this really their agenda?
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Matt Erixon on August 09, 2014, 08:50:02 PM
"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann"
Filmed in 2014, DVD PAL 16:9, By Richard D. Hall
4 Part DVD Film
The Madeleine McCann disappearance has become one of the most enduring mysteries of our time. It has generated thousands of front page headlines in the UK press. Despite the unprecedented coverage, few people have any detailed understanding of the circumstantial and physical evidence of the case. The mainstream media has been used to create diversion and confusion over what really happened, rather than inform their readers about the facts.
The first film in this series, entitled “The Initial Storm” examines in a level of detail never described before in any TV documentary, the evidence of the first night when Madeleine is alleged to have disappeared. The second film, “Dogs Don’t Lie”, reports on the compelling findings of one of the worlds top sniffer dog handlers, Martin Grime, whose two dogs searched for scent at key locations in Praia Da Luz. The third film exposes the so called private investigations instigated by the McCanns, details of which have never been aired on TV before. We reveal evidence and detailed testimony about the government agencies who were claiming to be searching for Madeleine or helping the McCanns, but was this really their agenda? Our four documentaries represent the most detailed film based analysis of the Madeleine McCann story, leaving the viewer with an understanding of the comprehensive establishment led cover up, and offer suggestions as to what all the evidence really points to.
... of one of the worlds top sniffer dog handlers, Martin Grime, ...
I'm sure Martin would be among the first to agree ...
there will be much worse lies than that...and lies that will be very appparrent
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: bros on August 09, 2014, 10:02:58 PM
I just love to see the heat this guys take since the progress of investigation took off. First they made nice welcome for the SY in Praia this spring now this with date 1.08.2014 in the left corner.
I bet this money to finance independent production came from past legal proceedings they have to give something out since cant spend anything in prison arguido list is expanding.
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Matt Erixon on August 09, 2014, 10:06:14 PM
I have to admit that I can hardly wait to see what these DVDs have to say. But I am not holding my breath for any new revelations.
Until it comes up on YouTube I will not be able to see them because I never Down Load anything.
But you may be sure that this person will make a few bob. Not that I have anything against that. Join the club.
I only wish that I had the patience.
No download needed. Stream: http://www.madeleinedocumentary.com/
Or YouTube, Part 1 - The Initial Storm https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4o24jRjOy4 Part 2 - Dogs don´t lie https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMR3M1aSquM Part 3 - Private investigation? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqHnIjpO-Tg Part 4 - Government agents https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1goSfNVlUw
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 09, 2014, 10:09:32 PM
No download needed. Stream: http://www.madeleinedocumentary.com/
Or YouTube, Part 1 - The Initial Storm https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4o24jRjOy4 Part 2 - Dogs don´t lie https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMR3M1aSquM Part 3 - Private investigation? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqHnIjpO-Tg Part 4 - Government agents https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1goSfNVlUw
dogs don't lie....what an absolute load of rubbish..
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Eleanor on August 09, 2014, 10:24:50 PM
No download needed. Stream: http://www.madeleinedocumentary.com/
Or YouTube, Part 1 - The Initial Storm https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4o24jRjOy4 Part 2 - Dogs don´t lie https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMR3M1aSquM Part 3 - Private investigation? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqHnIjpO-Tg Part 4 - Government agents https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1goSfNVlUw
Thank you for those. I shall have to watch them later because I am a bit tired now. But much appreciated.
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 09, 2014, 10:38:13 PM
I have had several dogs over the years and not one has ever lied... I think it's fair to accept that dogs never lie but it seems some may need this video to convince them
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Brietta on August 09, 2014, 11:32:44 PM
I have had several dogs over the years and not one has ever lied... I think it's fair to accept that dogs never lie but it seems some may need this video to convince them
My collie was one of the biggest liars I have ever met ~ I loved him to bits ~ but he was an absolute rogue who was a master of duplicity.
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: pegasus on August 10, 2014, 01:41:38 AM
"Clarence Mitchell was formally appointed to head up the the Madeleine Mccann PR campaign on Sunday the 6th of May, barely 48 hours after Madeleine had been reported missing". Source: Film 4, 00:27:00 http://www.madeleinedocumentary.com/page4.php
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Brietta on August 10, 2014, 07:54:01 AM
"Clarence Mitchell was formally appointed to head up the the Madeleine Mccann PR campaign on Sunday the 6th of May, barely 48 hours after Madeleine had been reported missing". Source: Film 4, 00:27:00 http://www.madeleinedocumentary.com/page4.php
I had a quick look starting at video No1 last night. Is my life so sterile that I want to wade back through every myth and lie perpetrated about Madeleine's family over the past seven years? No siree!
Risable that there are people who will buy into it ~ and pathetic when there is activity afoot in the form of active police investigations attempting to find out what really happened to Madeleine.
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: stephen25000 on August 10, 2014, 08:03:33 AM
Just watching the first one now.
INTERESTNG......................
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Brietta on August 10, 2014, 08:09:06 AM
I doubt very, very much if he is saying anything at all you haven't already said a million times. Some of us actually left the 20th Century in preference for what is happening in the 21st ... which is that there is an active official search in progress for Madeleine McCann.
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: stephen25000 on August 10, 2014, 08:42:40 AM
I doubt very, very much if he is saying anything at all you haven't already said a million times. Some of us actually left the 20th Century in preference for what is happening in the 21st ... which is that there is an active official search in progress for Madeleine McCann.
'Some of us actually left the 20th Century in preference for what is happening in the 21st ...'
Now that made me laugh,
I view that comment in a more reflective way, as that those who believe everything the mccanns said as being the truth belong to a much earlier century. 8((()*/
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Brietta on August 10, 2014, 08:54:37 AM
'Some of us actually left the 20th Century in preference for what is happening in the 21st ...'
Now that made me laugh,
I view that comment in a more reflective way, as that those who believe everything the mccanns said as being the truth belong to a much earlier century. 8((()*/
You are finding it 'interesting'. Do tell ... must be a new theoryof enlightenment in there somewhere.
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: stephen25000 on August 10, 2014, 08:55:37 AM
'Some of us actually left the 20th Century in preference for what is happening in the 21st ...'
Now that made me laugh,
I view that comment in a more reflective way, as that those who believe everything the mccanns said as being the truth belong to a much earlier century. 8((()*/
I don't blindly believe everything the McCanns say...I look at the evidence and base my decision on that
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: sadie on August 10, 2014, 08:59:40 AM
I doubt very, very much if he is saying anything at all you haven't already said a million times. Some of us actually left the 20th Century in preference for what is happening in the 21st ... which is that there is an active official search in progress for Madeleine McCann.
I'm not even starting it.
I remember just how much Amarals book of distorsions and lies upset me. I am not wasting my precious eyesight on what is probably another load of disinformation and propaganda.
I get more than enough on here
And what is more, if it is lies and defamatory, I hope the Mccanns take the author/s to the Cleaners
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: stephen25000 on August 10, 2014, 09:19:25 AM
Just finished end of part 1.
For reference purposes, here's some information regarding John Stalker.
I lost interest when I reached the John Stalker misrepresentation. That was at 5:11.
I lost interest when I read all the different 'lies' K&G were supposed to have told people about how they found the shutters. It's quite obvious to me that what different people related to others was their own interpretation of what they had been told by two extremely upset - (hysterical in Gerry's case) people over the phone.
A neighbour of mine recently died. She had been housebound for years with arthritis. This is a small village - news travels fast and folk knew I did her shopping for her I had several phone calls from people asking about her death. I had virtually the same conversation about her with them all, and once mentioned that she hadn't been to bed for 4 years (because lying down was too painful). In a phone call later on I was asked if it was true that she hadn't been to bed for 14 years!!! This is what happens when news is passed on by word of mouth. But it's quite normal.
Common sense alone should tell people that Kate and Gerry were not going to claim shutters were 'smashed' etc etc. when it was quite obvious to everyone there that they were not. None of those other people were there or had ever seen the place and were having to 'visualise' what had happened on the strength of what they'd been told by two parents in total shock. To believe that they all repeated word for word what Kate and Gerry had said is ridiculous. They were using their own words and their own 'imaginings' of what had happened.
The fact that the video maker doesn't appear to even understand how those different 'versions' of the shutter story came to be doesn't bode well for the rest of the documentary IMO -( but which I shall try to watch later - if this rain carries on).
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 10, 2014, 09:23:32 AM
I remember just how much Amarals book of distorsions and lies upset me. I am not wasting my precious eyesight on what is probably another load of disinformation and propaganda.
I get more than enough on here
And what is more, if it is lies and defamatory, I hope the Mccanns take the author/s to the Cleaners
The last thing we need are lies & disinformation.
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 10, 2014, 09:25:37 AM
I lost interest when I read all the different 'lies' K&G were supposed to have told people about how they found the shutters. It's quite obvious to me that what different people related to others was their own interpretation of what they had been told by two extremely upset - (hysterical in Gerry's case) people over the phone.
A neighbour of mine recently died. She had been housebound for years with arthritis. This is a small village - news travels fast and folk knew I did her shopping for her I had several phone calls from people asking about her death. I had virtually the same conversation about her with them all, and once mentioned that she hadn't been to bed for 4 years (because lying down was too painful). In a phone call later on I was asked if it was true that she hadn't been to bed for 14 years!!! This is what happens when news is passed on by word of mouth. But it's quite normal.
Common sense alone should tell people that Kate and Gerry were not going to claim shutters were 'smashed' etc etc. when it was quite obvious to everyone there that they were not. None of those other people were there or had ever seen the place and were having to 'visualise' what had happened on the strength of what they'd been told by two parents in total shock. To believe that they all repeated word for word what Kate and Gerry had said is ridiculous. They were using their own words and their own 'imaginings' of what had happened. The fact that the video maker doesn't appear to even understand how those different 'versions' of the shutter story came to be doesn't bode well for the rest of the documentary IMO -( but which I shall try to watch later - if this rain carries on).
Bit strange how Trish had a script though, eh.
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 10, 2014, 09:29:46 AM
Stranger still how neither parent phoned the police, but they were quite able to phone their friends & family back home.
How extraordinary.
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: stephen25000 on August 10, 2014, 09:30:20 AM
Apart from the fact that Stalker believes maddie was abducted he also says this...
I have been horrified by the abject failure of the Portuguese detectives to adhere to basic principles of policing
'I have been horrified by the abject failure of the McCanns to adhere to basic parenting standards, & how they never even bothered to phone the police'
By Me, just then.
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 10, 2014, 09:49:15 AM
Thank you for posting those links, Stephen. No one could claim any bias on your part from those.
Thanks for digging out the links.
For some reason, the DM article is chopped off.
Hmmm. One thing above all worries me: Why have the McCanns and the seven other members of their group the Tapas Nine remained so silent?
Unlike other high-profile cases I have worked on, not one of them has been prepared to break ranks or really come out and support each other.
After all this time and pressure, I cannot believe that nobody wants to speak.
I have a real suspicion that we are not being told the whole truth. There is something else there, some issue that members of the party are embarrassed about [article ends here].
That was from 28 October 2007. His reason seems to be that they hadn't spoken out in public. Well, erm, no (aside from JT on the Panorama programme and then only to point out the man she'd seen carrying a child who might have been Madeleine).
Stalker didn't seem to be aware of judicial secrecy at the time.
I wonder what he thinks now as well.
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 10, 2014, 10:37:35 AM
I don't think any new information has come to light since he made that statement...apart from the fact that SY have become involved and given further support to the McCanns innocence
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: sadie on August 10, 2014, 10:43:33 AM
I don't think any new information has come to light since he made that statement...apart from the fact that SY have become involved and given further support to the McCanns innocence
They will have had lots of new info that we never hear about. Some will be correct and some not so.
They will have sorted it.
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: ferryman on August 10, 2014, 10:55:05 AM
So nothing "new", then.
Just (yet another!) recent outpouring of all the same old lies, half-truths and myths that have poured out unrelentingly since May 3rd ...
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Eleanor on August 10, 2014, 10:59:07 AM
Just (yet another!) recent outpouring of all the same old lies, half-truths and myths that have poured out unrelentingly since May 3rd ...
More anti-Mccann propaganda ?
We can only guess who is organizing that ... and why.
It's all to do with protecting themselves, their global lifestyles and MONEY MAKING in a Mega fashion is my guess ... and that is a guess that has a fair few pointers, I might add.
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Eleanor on August 10, 2014, 12:07:26 PM
Well now, what can one say?
As far as I have seen it is all bordering very close to the bone of Libel against several people. Although probably not worth pursuing.
I hope you all appreciate that I have just spent four and a half hours of my life watching four of the most boring videos I am ever likely to see. But it was raining.
In my opinion, and bearing in mind the removal of Copyright, this is probably a Lost Leader to attract attention and donations to Richard Hall's Company. If you want to be bored out of your mind on a regular basis.
One small thing worth a mention. Richard Hall would like us to believe that Gerry McCann met with Robert Murat at some Golf Club on The Algarve, prior to the disappearance of Madeleine. This suggestion will undoubtedly raise it's head.
PS. Richard Hall might do an expose of Robert Murat at some future date.
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Brietta on August 10, 2014, 12:34:51 PM
McCanns 'are hiding a big secret', former police chief claims
They couldn't open their mouths - Judicial Secrecy and all that.
Just in case you missed it from the same article by former police chief, John Stalker
- snipped - My instinct, based on years of policing similar cases, is that we are looking at an abduction where the child was targeted in the days before her disappearance.
On the night she vanished it is likely that her abductor simply spotted his opportunity and struck while he could.
I have been horrified by the abject failure of the Portuguese detectives to adhere to basic principles of policing.
The investigation does not seem to have taken a step forward from where it was in the first week after she went missing.
I cannot believe that the Portuguese only sent selected DNA samples to the forensic science lab in Birmingham.
There is absolutely no sense in that whatsoever. To fully evaluate poor-quality DNA traces, as we believe these were, forensic experts need to see the whole picture.
- snipped - I don't believe for one minute that Kate and Gerry McCann or their friends are capable or guilty of having murdered the four-year-old.
All the criticism of Kate and Gerry and their friends has been completely out of order.
They are extremely intelligent and articulate people and, just because they have never visibly cracked in public to the extent that they are beaten, does not mean that they are guilty of anything sinister.
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 10, 2014, 01:28:14 PM
back on topic...the video looks rubbish. I watched a couple of minutes where it says cadaver odour was detected in several places...that's a lie on a very important point. If cadaver odour had been detected I'm fairly sure the McCanns would have been arrested
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Eleanor on August 10, 2014, 01:31:01 PM
back on topic...the video looks rubbish. I watched a couple of minutes where it says cadaver odour was detected in several places...that's a lie on a very important point. If cadaver odour had been detected I'm fairly sure the McCanns would have been arrested
They really aren't worth watching. But don't let me stop anyone.
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: stephen25000 on August 10, 2014, 02:16:27 PM
They couldn't open their mouths - Judicial Secrecy and all that.
Just in case you missed it from the same article by former police chief, John Stalker
- snipped - My instinct, based on years of policing similar cases, is that we are looking at an abduction where the child was targeted in the days before her disappearance.
On the night she vanished it is likely that her abductor simply spotted his opportunity and struck while he could.
I have been horrified by the abject failure of the Portuguese detectives to adhere to basic principles of policing.
The investigation does not seem to have taken a step forward from where it was in the first week after she went missing.
I cannot believe that the Portuguese only sent selected DNA samples to the forensic science lab in Birmingham.
There is absolutely no sense in that whatsoever. To fully evaluate poor-quality DNA traces, as we believe these were, forensic experts need to see the whole picture.
- snipped - I don't believe for one minute that Kate and Gerry McCann or their friends are capable or guilty of having murdered the four-year-old.
All the criticism of Kate and Gerry and their friends has been completely out of order.
They are extremely intelligent and articulate people and, just because they have never visibly cracked in public to the extent that they are beaten, does not mean that they are guilty of anything sinister.
So why did Stalker think they were hiding a 'big secret'.
Who has accused the mccanns of murder on here.
Did you add that for dramatic impact ?
Criticism of the mccanns and their lack of diligence in childcare, is more than appropriate, and you know why.
Intelligent, articulate people DO commit crimes. WHY PRETEND OTHERWISE.
We probably will never know the truth of what happened on that fateful night.
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 10, 2014, 03:44:22 PM
Just watched Part Two. Phew. How anybody could spend 40 minutes talking about David Payne's visit to 5A at approximately 6.30pm, is a bit beyond me.
Off to watch Part Three. Send out a search party if I am not back by lunch time. I might have entirely lost the will to live.
But we know how important the last observation is, Payne is the last person to see Madeleine except for the parents. (If it´s true) Historically, we know that the last person is very important for a crime investigation, no exception for this case.
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 10, 2014, 05:10:29 PM
But we know how important the last observation is, Payne is the last person to see Madeleine except for the parents. (If it´s true) Historically, we know that the last person is very important for a crime investigation, no exception for this case.
SY don't seem particularly interested in Payne...they are more interested in the Portuguese suspects
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: pathfinder73 on August 10, 2014, 05:17:37 PM
SY don't seem particularly interested in Payne...they are more interested in the Portuguese suspects
Payne's visit is where the answer lies so if they want to solve this case then they better be interested.
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: pegasus on August 10, 2014, 05:24:09 PM
C.Mitchell referring to his work for T.Blair's Media Monitoring Unit "to control what comes out in the media" Source: Film 1, 00:19:25, http://www.madeleinedocumentary.com/
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Matt Erixon on August 10, 2014, 05:46:48 PM
SY don't seem particularly interested in Payne...they are more interested in the Portuguese suspects
A police investigation is a police investigation, we have no idea what goes on behind the doors. What would happen if the police said in public that someone in the Tapas gang is suspected? Media would ruin the investigation. We'll see, the time will tell.
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Carana on August 10, 2014, 05:57:14 PM
C.Mitchell referring to his work for T.Blair's Media Monitoring Unit "to control what comes out in the media" Source: Film 1, 00:19:25, http://www.madeleinedocumentary.com/
In several languages, "to monitor" translates as "controlar". This then got retranslated back into English as "to control". I don't know how many times people have tried to explain that to Bennett...
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Brietta on August 10, 2014, 06:13:37 PM
So why did Stalker think they were hiding a 'big secret'.
Who has accused the mccanns of murder on here.
Did you add that for dramatic impact ?
Criticism of the mccanns and their lack of diligence in childcare, is more than appropriate, and you know why.
Intelligent, articulate people DO commit crimes. WHY PRETEND OTHERWISE.
We probably will never know the truth of what happened on that fateful night.
Do you not understand that the quotes I have used are quotes taken from the same newspaper article mentioned in the video which has been used and abused since it was first printed ... these are not my words ... they are John Stalker's words.
Why did Stalker think they were hiding a big secret? Judicial Secrecy and a stint in jail for breaking it.
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 10, 2014, 06:44:09 PM
A police investigation is a police investigation, we have no idea what goes on behind the doors. What would happen if the police said in public that someone in the Tapas gang is suspected? Media would ruin the investigation. We'll see, the time will tell.
they didn't have to say anything
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: slartibartfast on August 10, 2014, 06:46:15 PM
back on topic...the video looks rubbish. I watched a couple of minutes where it says cadaver odour was detected in several places...that's a lie on a very important point. If cadaver odour had been detected I'm fairly sure the McCanns would have been arrested
As I am sure someone on here keeps saying, without forensic corroboration the alerts cannot be treated as evidence.
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Brietta on August 10, 2014, 06:58:02 PM
A police investigation is a police investigation, we have no idea what goes on behind the doors. What would happen if the police said in public that someone in the Tapas gang is suspected? Media would ruin the investigation. We'll see, the time will tell.
I see from your words you are one of those 'living in hope' that's fine, in my opinion you have backed a loser. Time is indeed already telling, and one thing it is indicating is that interest is concentrated in Portugal, where it should have been in 2007.
Back on topic now ... What is guaranteed to sell newspapers ~ Madeleine McCann.
Therefore I think there are really compelling reasons why news desks may have ignored a sure fire money cow such as the ~ facts ~ contained in this rehashed video.
The first reason that comes to mind as to why these things have been 'buried' is that they are a tissue of lies and innuendo containing tired old libels which have been doing the rounds of the internet since 2007. Not that the mainstream media have been averse to printing such falsehoods in the past; but Libel Court Judges rulings are likely to interfere with that particular freedom, particularly as proprietors like to coin it in not pay it out.
The second reason is ... it is just plain boring and an absolute waste of time.
As can be seen from the title of this thread, there will always be an audience for peculiarities like the 'New Documentary: the true story of Madeleine McCann; but I predict it will remain a very small one'.
Most people's main interest is in actually finding Madeleine or at least finding out what happened to her ... very few are keen to attack her parents ... and very few are aware of the campaigns waged against them for the past seven years. In my opinion that is what has been shamefully buried by the main stream media.
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Brietta on August 10, 2014, 07:13:24 PM
Following the preamble in my first post, I thought the two paragraphs with “snipped” in front of them might have indicated these were John Stalker’s quotes to which I was referring. Never mind here is the whole article just for you
MCCANNS 'ARE HIDING A BIG SECRET' Sunday Express October 28 2007 By John Stalker
I have watched the investigation into the Madeleine McCann case drag on for six months.
One thing above all worries me: Why have the McCanns and the seven other members of their group - the Tapas Nine - remained so silent? My gut instinct is that some big secret is probably being covered up.
Unlike other high-profile cases I have worked on, not one of them has been prepared to break ranks or really come out and support each other. After all this time and pressure, I cannot believe that nobody wants to speak.
Their answer has always been no comment but there is surely some division between them.
So what are they hiding? I have a real suspicion that we are not being told the whole truth.
There is something else there, some issue that members of the party are embarrassed about.
While they continue to refuse to talk it is unlikely that we will find out what it is for a very long time but one thing is certain - it will eventually come out.
The sad fact is that we still have a missing girl and I believe the investigation will be focusing on the theory that she is dead.
The likeliest scenario is that her abductor panicked when he realised the attention the case was creating and killed her days after snatching her. My fear now is that unless we find her body or her killer strikes again we will never know what really happened to that tiny child. My instinct, based on years of policing similar cases, is that we are looking at an abduction where the child was targeted in the days before her disappearance.
On the night she vanished it is likely that her abductor simply spotted his opportunity and struck while he could.
I have been horrified by the abject failure of the Portuguese detectives to adhere to basic principles of policing.
The investigation does not seem to have taken a step forward from where it was in the first week after she went missing.
I cannot believe that the Portuguese only sent selected DNA samples to the forensic science lab in Birmingham.
There is absolutely no sense in that whatsoever. To fully evaluate poor-quality DNA traces, as we believe these were, forensic experts need to see the whole picture.
In the past, when I have dealt with traces of bodily fluids, it is very difficult to establish how they got to be where they were.
All DNA is highly transferable and that is the most likely explanation for the alleged traces found in the McCanns' hire car and on her mother's clothing. Robert Murat, the other suspect, was seen close to the apartment the day after Madeleine disappeared and freely admits having helped police as a translator.
If he was in that apartment, or anywhere near it, there is no doubt he would have transferred some of Madeleine's or the twins' DNA on to his clothing.
I don't believe for one minute that Kate and Gerry McCann or their friends are capable or guilty of having murdered the four-year-old.
All the criticism of Kate and Gerry and their friends has been completely out of order.
They are extremely intelligent and articulate people and, just because they have never visibly cracked in public to the extent that they are beaten, does not mean that they are guilty of anything sinister.
Yes, they have had more doors opened for them than other people would have in similar circumstances, but their main aim is to discover what happened to Madeleine.
That should be the aim of all concerned.
But my gut instinct still forces me to wonder: What is the secret that the Tapas Nine are so carefully hiding?
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Post by: stephen25000 on August 10, 2014, 07:29:30 PM
Now here's a question or two.
I wonder if Stalker still believes in an abduction, for which there still as far as many people are concerned, no discernible evidence exists, other than hearsay.
Likewise, I wonder what he thinks they were hiding ?
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Post by: Brietta on August 10, 2014, 07:55:28 PM
I wonder if Stalker still believes in an abduction, for which there still as far as many people are concerned, no discernible evidence exists, other than hearsay.
Likewise, I wonder what he thinks they were hiding ?
For the third time ... they were hiding nothing ... the Tapas 7 had been warned about the Secrecy Laws by the Portuguese and were terrified of being sent back to Portugal under a European Arrest Warrant if they broke the laws by saying anything.
They had all already been in a media maelstrom having been misquoted re the "Pact of Silence" of which I am sure you have heard and which again was due entirely to the secrecy laws ... and were no less keen than was Martin Smith not to have the media doorstepping them and following their every move. They were desperate that all media attention should focus on Madeleine and on finding her.
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Post by: stephen25000 on August 10, 2014, 08:05:31 PM
For the third time ... they were hiding nothing ... the Tapas 7 had been warned about the Secrecy Laws by the Portuguese and were terrified of being sent back to Portugal under a European Arrest Warrant if they broke the laws by saying anything.
They had all already been in a media maelstrom having been misquoted re the "Pact of Silence" of which I am sure you have heard and which again was due entirely to the secrecy laws ... and were no less keen than was Martin Smith not to have the media doorstepping them and following their every move. They were desperate that all media attention should focus on Madeleine and on finding her.
You do not know whether the mccanns and some of the party were hiding anything.
That is your presumption and no more.You believe they weren't, I believe they did as do many others.
The mccanns used the 'media maelstrom' when it suited them, so don't try that that one. Paxman put that rather adroitly in his interview with mccann.,and Paxman is nobody's fool.
If you have watched the first video, though i don't agree with everything in it, Mitchell used the media for diversion,and maintenance of the 'abduction', regardless of the situation, that there was and is no quantifiable evidence to back it up.
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Post by: Benice on August 10, 2014, 08:12:27 PM
In several languages, "to monitor" translates as "controlar". This then got retranslated back into English as "to control". I don't know how many times people have tried to explain that to Bennett...
Quite. And after watching more of these videos - imo in places they are very remininiscent of many a Bennet 'claim' about this case. I'm now wondering where Hall did his research.
I'm not sure I can be bothered to watch any more. It's the same 'ole same 'ole IMO - just stuff we've heard hundreds of times before including all the same errors made previously.
My overriding impression thus far is that Richard Hall is clearly lacking the necessary investigative expertise required to make a credible case. And I'm not saying that to be nasty. That is my genuine impression.
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Post by: pegasus on August 10, 2014, 09:25:49 PM
Quite. And after watching more of these videos - imo in places they are very remininiscent of many a Bennet 'claim' about this case. I'm now wondering where Hall did his research.
I'm not sure I can be bothered to watch any more. It's the same 'ole same 'ole IMO - just stuff we've heard hundreds of times before including all the same errors made previously.
My overriding impression thus far is that Richard Hall is clearly lacking the necessary investigative expertise required to make a credible case. And I'm not saying that to be nasty. That is my genuine impression.
"Richard Hall is clearly lacking the necessary investigative expertise"
I suggest you compare his good investigative skills with the investigative skills which the people working for the Madeleine Fund applied to investigating the many calls made from Europe to the Madeleine hotline in Annapolis.
Allegedly they did not investigate, nor even listen to a single call, despite being repeatedly urged to by the phone service provider in Annapolis.
Richard Hall is infinitely more skilled than them.
Source: From 52:20 to 55:00 in Film 3 at http://www.richplanet.net/starship_main.php?ref=185&part=3
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Post by: pegasus on August 10, 2014, 09:41:04 PM
From Film 3 - re the hotline calls not investigated nor even listened to - this is what the Mail reported -
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Johan Selle, the director of operations at iJet, the US firm that managed the Find Madeleine phone line, revealed that for a year nobody even asked his company if they could listen to any of the calls received.
Mr Selle said his operators, in Annapolis, Virginia, had answered 'hundreds of calls', but the information seemed wasted - possibly squandering valuable leads.
He said: 'We delivered Oakley a report with a summary of the calls and said if they wanted to come back they could listen to the recording, but nobody did.
'For someone with an understanding of the case it would be very easy for some to say that maybe 80 or 90 per cent of the calls were hogwash, but there may be a percentage where one would say maybe we should listen to this one or listen to that one. But our understanding is that this never took place.
'We are not sure whether Halligen provided our report to the family or to the trust or to those working with them or to the teams working after him, because no one came back to us.
'We sent the report to Oakley group and our assumption was that they were using it as a piece in the puzzle. But it appears that wasn't the case.'
Dr Parton said: 'He has left a trail of debts across America and the UK. But the horrible truth is that he stole from the McCanns what they really couldn't afford - time.'
Dr Parton said: 'He has left a trail of debts across America and the UK. But the horrible truth is that he stole from the McCanns what they really couldn't afford - time.'
But surely the Directors of the Madeleine Fund must have been monitoring how many calls were being made to that hotline number and ensuring they were investigated? Isn't that what Directors are for - in any properly run limited company - to know what they are doing and keep track of it?
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Post by: Alice Purjorick on August 11, 2014, 12:08:01 AM
But surely the Directors of the Madeleine Fund must have been monitoring how many calls were being made to that hotline number and ensuring they were investigated? Isn't that what Directors are for - in any properly run limited company - to know what they are doing and keep track of it?
O sir that is of course a prerequisite that is a condition imposed by the Companies Act of 2006. But that applies to companies other than in McCann land where a different set of rules will doubtless obtain. Just wait to read the other responses to your post then you will understand.
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Post by: pegasus on August 11, 2014, 12:52:25 AM
In several languages, "to monitor" translates as "controlar". This then got retranslated back into English as "to control". I don't know how many times people have tried to explain that to Bennett...
My apologies, I think are are correct on that point. BTW do you think it is true, that C.Mitchell was assigned to this case on 6th May 2007, as claimed in the film? Or do you think the film has got it wrong, and he was not assigned to the case until much later, after Ms Dodd left?
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Post by: Eleanor on August 11, 2014, 06:41:35 AM
My apologies, I think are are correct on that point. BTW do you think it is true, that C.Mitchell was assigned to this case on 6th May 2007, as claimed in the film? Or do you think the film has got it wrong, and he was not assigned to the case until much later, after Ms Dodd left?
I thought it was much later than the 6th of May. Gerry met Clarence Mitchell for the first time when Gerry first returned to The UK. But I don't know what was going on behind the scenes.
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Post by: Benice on August 11, 2014, 08:31:11 AM
Sorry Pegasus but I fail to see any connection at all between my post and a newspaper article about an entirely different subject.
This is what I said:
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My overriding impression thus far is that Richard Hall is clearly lacking the necessary investigative expertise required to make a credible case. unquote.
First of all he thinks that everyone who had a phone call from the McCanns that night, all actually repeated verbatim to the media what they had been told by Kate and Gerry - and that because what each person said was not a word for word exact replica of other people's comments - he attributes those differences to 'lies' by K&G. (e.g. the shutters) That is clearly nonsense to anyone who understands what can happen to the same news when passed on by word of mouth to different people - particularly in times of great stress and over the phone.
Secondly he is obviously unaware that he is using 'hindsight' to make criticisms - a trap which no adept 'investigator' would fall into - because it makes the author look inept. No-one can be expected to make decisions/judgements on events which haven't happened yet - but he clearly expected them to. (e.g. the sticker book ).
Thirdly, he either hasn't read Martin Grime's statements, or he has chosen to ignore them - as his comments about the dogs are incorrect. He appears to think that because Eddie barked - a corpse must have been present. According to Martin Grime this is not a fact.
I could go on ... but suffice it to say that so far I get the impression that Richard Hall has been fed a lot of misinformation from other quarters - which he has unquestioningly soaked up like a sponge.
Maybe, if I watch the rest I'll change my mind about his investigative 'skills' but I doubt it. I'll give it a try when I get time.
(All IMHO).
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Post by: jassi on August 11, 2014, 08:41:31 AM
I thought it was much later than the 6th of May. Gerry met Clarence Mitchell for the first time when Gerry first returned to The UK. But I don't know what was going on behind the scenes.
I thought Mitchell was there almost from the start, seconded from his government job, and was then replaced by someone else, before becoming employed by the McCanns.
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Post by: stephen25000 on August 11, 2014, 08:49:50 AM
Now on part 2 of the video.
Heavy going with the droning voice............
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Post by: Eleanor on August 11, 2014, 09:03:26 AM
I did it in one sitting, mainly to get it out of the way, and because one can't comment without seeing it all. But now I can't remember what most of it was about.
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Post by: Benice on August 11, 2014, 09:04:26 AM
Sorry Pegasus but I fail to see any connection at all between my post and a newspaper article about an entirely different subject.
This is what I said:
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My overriding impression thus far is that Richard Hall is clearly lacking the necessary investigative expertise required to make a credible case. unquote.
First of all he thinks that everyone who had a phone call from the McCanns that night, all actually repeated verbatim to the media what they had been told by Kate and Gerry - and that because what each person said was not a word for word exact replica of other people's comments - he attributes those differences to 'lies' by K&G. (e.g. the shutters) That is clearly nonsense to anyone who understands what can happen to the same news when passed on by word of mouth to different people - particularly in times of great stress and over the phone.
Secondly he is obviously unaware that he is using 'hindsight' to make criticisms - a trap which no adept 'investigator' would fall into - because it makes the author look inept. No-one can be expected to make decisions/judgements on events which haven't happened yet - but he clearly expected them to. (e.g. the sticker book ).
Thirdly, he either hasn't read Martin Grime's statements, or he has chosen to ignore them - as his comments about the dogs are incorrect. He appears to think that because Eddie barked - a corpse must have been present. According to Martin Grime this is not a fact.
I could go on ... but suffice it to say that so far I get the impression that Richard Hall has been fed a lot of misinformation from other quarters - which he has unquestioningly soaked up like a sponge.
Maybe, if I watch the rest I'll change my mind about his investigative 'skills' but I doubt it. I'll give it a try when I get time.
(All IMHO).
I seriously lost interest at 5:11 in video one when he selectively ‘quoted’ John Stalker; either he did not carry out elementary research into what John Stalker actually said based on his observation at the time; or he chose to ignore the bigger picture and cherry pick only that which suited the ‘theory’ he is promoting.
Either way it confirms that this is not a proper study of the events of 3rd May 2007 and as such it is impossible for this video to throw an iota of light onto what happened to Madeleine McCann.
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Post by: Eleanor on August 11, 2014, 09:24:43 AM
I seriously lost interest at 5:11 in video one when he selectively ‘quoted’ John Stalker; either he did not carry out elementary research into what John Stalker actually said based on his observation at the time; or he chose to ignore the bigger picture and cherry pick only that which suited the ‘theory’ he is promoting.
Either way it confirms that this is not a proper study of the events of 3rd May 2007 and as such it is impossible for this video to throw an iota of light onto what happened to Madeleine McCann.
What Theory is he promoting, do you think?
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Post by: Carana on August 11, 2014, 10:13:55 AM
My apologies, I think are are correct on that point. BTW do you think it is true, that C.Mitchell was assigned to this case on 6th May 2007, as claimed in the film? Or do you think the film has got it wrong, and he was not assigned to the case until much later, after Ms Dodd left?
I still haven't got to the end of Part I yet.
According to Kate's book (and which seems corroborated by news clips), Alex Woolfall from Bell Pottinger was the first to help out, albeit within the context of crisis management for Mark Warner. Sheree Dodd (an independent consultant) was appointed by the Foreign Office temporarily to help with the campaign and arrived on 15 May. P 138.
Clarence was then seconded to the Foreign Office to assist with the media frenzy. The first time Gerry met Clarence was on 20 May when Gerry had gone over over to the UK. When exactly that decision was made between the MMU and the Foreign Office was made isn't clear from the book. It's quite possible that the decision was made fairly early on and Clarence may have needed a week or two to get organised, hence the interim assistance from Sheree.
I haven't checked whether Clarence explained how / when he got involved in a presentation he made at some point. I'll add it if I come across it.
In other words, the decision by the FO to seek a secondment seems likely to have been taken earlier than when he actually appeared on the scene in a working capacity. Later, of course, he was replaced by Justine, hired by the Fund (I believe - to check), and then was privately appointed after Justine had left.
From memory, it's not the first time that someone from the FCO has been sent out to a foreign country to assist with media frenzies. I'm not sure if I could find the reference without recalling the country and / or name of who it was. The basic situation was chaos caused by the media that had descended like a swarm of bees and sending someone out to provide assistance was a diplomatic gesture to help the overwhelmed country in question.
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Post by: Carana on August 11, 2014, 11:18:24 AM
I will try to get through Part 1 today.
I've tried to set aside his background of writing or interviewing people on such issues as NATO and UFO conspiracies. I have... really. However, I'm still only halfway through Part 1.
He seems to have put quite a bit of effort into it from what I've viewed so far (which isn't much). However, his research seems to be limited to biased sources. I'd have excluded http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/ from that list of dubious sources, but that is a different site linked to via the one he listed: http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/
As such, it can hardly be described as "Buried By Mainstream Media - The True Story of Madeleine McCann" when most of the recommended links are connected to either Tony Bennett and / or Amaral's defence league and when most of the allegations that were supposedly "buried" were reproduced in the mainstream media to be later discredited in the first place.
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Post by: Brietta on August 11, 2014, 01:57:23 PM
That's a really tough one to answer ... but I'm sure I'll be able to remember if I check one or two of the websites he has used for his sources.
Well , "17 Changes in Murat's Statement" seems to ring a bell with me. I wonder where I read that?
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Post by: pegasus on August 11, 2014, 02:46:39 PM
I have watched all 4 films. Something which maybe could have been included but wasn't, is the apparent selective redaction of some telephone numbers in the phone records as presented in the files. BTW the Guardian reported that the phone analyses were done by UK analysts. We know there were calls from or to TBlair, Gbrown, DMilliband, MBeckett, CR, and other high powered people. Would it be strange if the redacted numbers were to correspond to these peeps?
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Post by: Eleanor on August 11, 2014, 03:10:11 PM
I have watched all 4 films. Something which maybe could have been included but wasn't, is the apparent selective redaction of some telephone numbers in the phone records as presented in the files. BTW the Guardian reported that the phone analyses were done by UK analysts. We know there were calls from or to TBlair, Gbrown, DMilliband, MBeckett, CR, and other high powered people. Would it be strange if the redacted numbers were to correspond to these peeps?
Why would it be strange? Serious question.
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Post by: pegasus on August 11, 2014, 03:31:22 PM
Because an concealing of numbers from the PJ would be incorrect. The PJ would need to see every number to see who had been communicating. For example take the calls during trip to search for the missing child at Fatima - in the phone records as presented to the PJ in the files, one or more numbers have been totally blanked out, that meant it was impossible for PJ to see who those calls were with.
So that's one thing these 4 films omit, but then is it even possible to fully document the extraordinary amount of PI company and government involvement in only 4 films?
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Post by: Eleanor on August 11, 2014, 03:41:43 PM
Because an concealing of numbers from the PJ would be incorrect. The PJ would need to see every number to see who had been communicating. For example take the calls during trip to search for the missing child at Fatima - in the phone records as presented to the PJ in the files, one or more numbers have been totally blanked out, that meant it was impossible for PJ to see who those calls were with.
So that's one thing these 4 films omit, but then is it even possible to fully document the extraordinary amount of PI company and government involvement in only 4 films?
Surely The PJ will have had these numbers. Perhaps they were blanked out to stop butters phoning whoever they were.
There was a lot of time wasted on those films, repeating things over and over. 40 minutes on the visit David Payne made to 5A that evening. That was stunningly boring.
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Post by: DCI on August 11, 2014, 03:53:33 PM
Because an concealing of numbers from the PJ would be incorrect. The PJ would need to see every number to see who had been communicating. For example take the calls during trip to search for the missing child at Fatima - in the phone records as presented to the PJ in the files, one or more numbers have been totally blanked out, that meant it was impossible for PJ to see who those calls were with.
So that's one thing these 4 films omit, but then is it even possible to fully document the extraordinary amount of PI company and government involvement in only 4 films?
Are they blanked out on the official files, or just on PJ Files site? I will take a look on dvd's later.
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Post by: pegasus on August 11, 2014, 10:57:52 PM
Are they blanked out on the official files, or just on PJ Files site? I will take a look on dvd's later.
blanked out in the official files. For incoming voice calls, the selective blanking of numbers begins at 09:05 on the morning of 4th May http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/oa/OA_VOD/OA_11_VOD_Page_097.jpg and continues through to September. BTW do you have the actual DVDs?
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Post by: pathfinder73 on August 11, 2014, 11:19:57 PM
Surely The PJ will have had these numbers. Perhaps they were blanked out to stop butters phoning whoever they were.
There was a lot of time wasted on those films, repeating things over and over. 40 minutes on the visit David Payne made to 5A that evening. That was stunningly boring.
It's very important and alarm bells will be ringing at the yard.
"Gerry had asked me just to pop in and check everything was alright err with Kate or you know again I can't remember the exact reason whether he was just making sure it was alright that he could stay there and you know more time but you know he'd asked me to pop in."
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Post by: Jean-Pierre on August 12, 2014, 06:42:24 AM
It's very important and alarm bells will be ringing at the yard.
"Gerry had asked me just to pop in and check everything was alright err with Kate or you know again I can't remember the exact reason whether he was just making sure it was alright that he could stay there and you know more time but you know he'd asked me to pop in."
Has anyone actually bothered to read some of this chaps "work"?
And still take him seriously?
This exchange with Nick Clegg is IMO quite instructive
http://www.richplanet.net/letters/MP023.php
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Post by: stephen25000 on August 12, 2014, 08:32:07 AM
Well I got half way through the 2 nd video before I turned it off.
He is as compelling to listen to as a speech by William Hague.
As believable as Marcos Aragao Correia being a forthright investigator.
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Post by: ferryman on August 12, 2014, 08:50:05 AM
In general, I am miffed that the speakers have packed up on my computer.
But there might be the odd blessing ...
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Post by: Brietta on August 12, 2014, 09:18:21 AM
Well I got half way through the 2 nd video before I turned it off.
He is as compelling to listen to as a speech by William Hague.
As believable as Marcos Aragao Correia being a forthright investigator.
I am in awe of those members who have had the stamina to make the attempt to watch these videos to enable informed discussion.
Having been put off entirely by his obvious lack of research very early into video one (the John Stalker selective quotations) I changed tack and did a wee bit of research into the man himself and his former works.
Based on that my prediction is that after the first flurry of excitement, we are not going to hear a great deal more about this chap and his theories.
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Post by: jassi on August 12, 2014, 11:22:27 AM
I am in awe of those members who have had the stamina to make the attempt to watch these videos to enable informed discussion.
Having been put off entirely by his obvious lack of research very early into video one (the John Stalker selective quotations) I changed tack and did a wee bit of research into the man himself and his former works.
Based on that my prediction is that after the first flurry of excitement, we are not going to hear a great deal more about this chap and his theories.
Or, at least, that's what you hope.
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Post by: Brietta on August 12, 2014, 11:29:26 AM
Anyone who promotes what this man opines runs the risk of being slotted in with the rest of the tinfoil hat brigade; and anyway we are pretty soon going to have well researched book to quote from.
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Post by: Jean-Pierre on August 12, 2014, 11:30:10 AM
Anyone who promotes what this man opines runs the risk of being slotted in with the rest of the tinfoil hat brigade; and anyway we are pretty soon going to have well researched book to quote from.
Is that the one that's going to be put on line in installments and will be freely available to all?
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Post by: Jean-Pierre on August 12, 2014, 11:52:24 AM
But if he keeps on writing and publsihing at least it keeps all the conspiracy theorists and tin foil hat brigade happily and harmlessly occupied.
How true. In the meantime having struggled through another hour or so of this boring regurgitation of the same old misinformation we've all heard before from other quarters - I can now personally recommend it as a remedy for insomnia. To give one example - it's quite remarkable what a soporific affect the phrase ...'money laundering'... repeated over and over and over again in the same monotone voice has as a sleep inducing aid.
It truly did send me to sleep.
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Post by: Angelo222 on August 12, 2014, 12:26:53 PM
How true. In the meantime having struggled through another hour or so of this boring regurgitation of the same old misinformation we've all heard before from other quarters - I can now personally recommend it as a remedy for insomnia. To give one example - it's quite remarkable what a soporific affect the phrase ...'money laundering'... repeated over and over and over again in the same monotone voice has as a sleep inducing aid.
It truly did send me to sleep.
I have struggled to get through the first three parts and I must say Benice I cannot find fault with any of it. Maybe the final episode is the controversial bit?
PS. what misinformation are you referring to??
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Post by: Eleanor on August 12, 2014, 12:31:34 PM
The last part contains a "Suggestion" that Gerry met with Robert Murat at a Golf Club prior to the disappearance of Madeleine. I would like to know what anyone thinks of that.
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Post by: Angelo222 on August 12, 2014, 12:49:31 PM
The last part contains a "Suggestion" that Gerry met with Robert Murat at a Golf Club prior to the disappearance of Madeleine. I would like to know what anyone thinks of that.
About to watch the last part now Eleanor. I have to say though that so far I have found it to be based on the facts. On the down side it did linger too long and put too much unnecessary emphasis on the Payne visit to 5a. There will always be contradictions in any story.
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Post by: Benice on August 12, 2014, 12:53:52 PM
I have struggled to get through the first three parts and I must say Benice I cannot find fault with any of it. Maybe the final episode is the controversial bit?
PS. what misinformation are you referring to??
There are loads of examples Angelo - all of which have already been discussed on here at length in the past.
For one example the claim that Jane Tanner identified Robert Murat is gross misinformation. She did no such thing - and there is not a scrap of evidence apart from Amaral's claim in his book to say that she did.
Surely you would agree that if she had made a positive identification of Murat as the abductor, the last thing Amaral would have done would be to tell her she didn't need to make a signed statement to that effect and that she could go home. Of course he wouldn't. He would have ordered her back to the police station at the speed of light to get a written, signed statement from her about this FANTASTIC piece of evidence against the man he was about to make an Arguido. Instead he did the complete opposite.
IMO he sent her home because her failure to identify Murat was of no use to him at all. However, without a statement he could say what he liked - particularly to Murat, and just as he lied to Gerry about the 100% DNA match I believe he probably did tell Murat that JT had identified him. And Murat probably carried on thinking that was true for a long time - until someone eventually put him right.
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Post by: jassi on August 12, 2014, 12:55:07 PM
About to watch the last part now Eleanor. I have to say though that so far I have found it to be based on the facts. On the down side it did linger too long and put too much unnecessary emphasis on the Payne visit to 5a. There will always be contradictions in any story.
Not contradictions on whether you were inside or not and what was the purpose of the visit. Kate in a towel but DP didn't notice that LOL.
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Post by: Benice on August 12, 2014, 01:03:01 PM
The last part contains a "Suggestion" that Gerry met with Robert Murat at a Golf Club prior to the disappearance of Madeleine. I would like to know what anyone thinks of that.
Another load of misinformation IMO. Where is the evidence? There is none.
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Post by: stephen25000 on August 12, 2014, 01:20:02 PM
Well having just watched the first video again,and if the source material is correct, there are NUMEROUS contradictions between the accounts of PAYNE and the MCCANNS. Far too many changed stories.
The glaring mistake, is the omission of what STALKER says in his article, other than of course reference to the 'big secret'.
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Post by: Angelo222 on August 12, 2014, 01:26:57 PM
For one example the claim that Jane Tanner identified Robert Murat is gross misinformation. She did no such thing - and there is not a scrap of evidence apart from Amaral's claim in his book to say that she did.
Surely you would agree that if she had made a positive identification of Murat as the abductor, the last thing Amaral would have done would be to tell her she didn't need to make a signed statement to that effect and that she could go home. Of course he wouldn't. He would have ordered her back to the police station at the speed of light to get a written, signed statement from her about this FANTASTIC piece of evidence against the man he was about to make an Arguido. Instead he did the complete opposite.
IMO he sent her home because her failure to identify Murat was of no use to him at all. However, without a statement he could say what he liked - particularly to Murat, and just as he lied to Gerry about the 100% DNA match I believe he probably did tell Murat that JT had identified him. And Murat probably carried on thinking that was true for a long time - until someone eventually put him right.
She never saw the mans face but didn't she say that she could identify the man by the way he walked?
ETA Unless I fell asleep I don't recall seeing this claim in the video?
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Post by: Eleanor on August 12, 2014, 02:53:48 PM
Not contradictions on whether you were inside or not and what was the purpose of the visit. Kate in a towel but DP didn't notice that LOL.
At the door? Just inside the door? Not glaring contradictions.
As for the purpose, there could have been several. " Can you just do this, oh, and by the way."
Which one of them said Kate was wearing a towel as I can't remember.
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Post by: John on August 12, 2014, 03:39:29 PM
I managed to review the documentary whilst traveling yesterday and I suggest that anyone who is familiar with the facts in the case cut to the chase and watch part 4 first as it contains some real dynamite.
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Post by: ferryman on August 12, 2014, 04:10:19 PM
She never saw the mans face but didn't she say that she could identify the man by the way he walked?
ETA Unless I fell asleep I don't recall seeing this claim in the video?
Dunno about the video. But Amaral definitely accused Tanner of identifying Robert Murat.
From his book:
JANE TANNER FORMALLY RECOGNISES ROBERT MURAT
Before the search, we want to assure ourselves that Jane Tanner recognises him as the individual she saw on the night of the disappearance. She is sitting inside an unmarked car, whose tinted windows allow her to see out without being spotted. The vehicle is parked at the exact spot where she was on the night of May 3rd. Robert Murat, anonymous amongst plain clothes police officers, goes up the road in the same way as the alleged abductor. Jane Tanner is adamant: it certainly is Robert Murat that she saw that night. She definitely recognises his way of walking. But does he resemble the description she painted previously?
(Chapter 7)
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Post by: Mr Gray on August 12, 2014, 04:10:34 PM
I watched a few minutes where he states the dogs alerted to cadaver odour...this is not true... Grime has not confirmed the alerts were to cadaver odour
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Post by: Angelo222 on August 12, 2014, 04:12:27 PM
Sorry Benice, it is in the last episode at time stamp 50.26
"As Robert Murat walked past the unmarked police van Jane Tanner became adamant to the police that he was the very man she had seen walking near the McCanns apartment ten days ago"
NB He avoided claiming that he was carrying a child.
I have removed my last post as I was in error.
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Post by: Jean-Pierre on August 12, 2014, 05:19:23 PM
Sorry Benice, it is in the last episode at time stamp 50.26
"As Robert Murat walked past the unmarked police van Jane Tanner became adamant to the police that he was the very man she had seen walking near the McCanns apartment ten days ago"
NB He avoided claiming that he was carrying a child.
I have removed my last post as I was in error.
Jane Tanner's statement rather differs from that:
4078 “I know this seems like an obvious question, which I think I know the answer to, because I’ve seen the artist’s impression, did you see the man’s face?”
Reply “No, no, not, no, I mean, just the hair, well not, not that I could remember to give details, give details to”.
4078 “Now you are left with that mental image in your head about the man carrying the child”.
Reply “Umm”.
4078 “And you said, you described his hair quite well. Having seen MURAT then and obviously in the papers since, could you link the two of those?”
Reply “I don’t think so. I mean, I don’t, phew, I don’t, I don’t think it, no, there doesn’t, there’s no, but then the person I see in the paper doesn’t really look like my recollection of the person I met on the way to meet Bob SMALL. It’s really annoying because normally I would have probably taken more notice but I was so worried about what I was going to do, because I didn’t know at this point at all, I didn’t really take any notice, but I think it was too short and I remember it being, being long into the neck and not so. Again, I don’t really, when I saw Robert MURAT outside his house he looked quite little to me, but then when you see him on the telly he seems quite bit, so I can’t, again, I don’t think the build, the build was right, I don’t”.
4078 “So you don’t feel, in your heart of hearts”.
Reply “No”. 4078 “You don’t feel it was the same person?”
Reply “No, I don’t, no”. http://www.mccannfiles.com/id222.html
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Post by: Benice on August 12, 2014, 05:25:14 PM
Sorry Benice, it is in the last episode at time stamp 50.26
"As Robert Murat walked past the unmarked police van Jane Tanner became adamant to the police that he was the very man she had seen walking near the McCanns apartment ten days ago"
NB He avoided claiming that he was carrying a child.
I have removed my last post as I was in error.
Thanks Angelo. No probs.
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Post by: stephen25000 on August 12, 2014, 06:20:18 PM
Now to part 4.
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Post by: stephen25000 on August 12, 2014, 06:46:04 PM
I managed to review the documentary whilst traveling yesterday and I suggest that anyone who is familiar with the facts in the case cut to the chase and watch part 4 first as it contains some real dynamite.
Dynamite is the word for this fourth part.
Half way through it.
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Post by: ferryman on August 12, 2014, 06:54:48 PM
I managed to review the documentary whilst traveling yesterday and I suggest that anyone who is familiar with the facts in the case cut to the chase and watch part 4 first as it contains some real dynamite.
Such as?
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Post by: stephen25000 on August 12, 2014, 08:13:52 PM
Well part 4 is very informative to say the least. 8(0(* 8((()*/
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Post by: Brietta on August 12, 2014, 08:31:32 PM
I managed to review the documentary whilst traveling yesterday and I suggest that anyone who is familiar with the facts in the case cut to the chase and watch part 4 first as it contains some real dynamite.
Sorry John ... no way am I sitting through that rubbish ... I gritted my teeth and managed to get as far as Clarence Mitchell's job being to control the press. That and the John Stalker pronouncement are such tired old forum myths which have been exposed as such ad nauseam that it is highly likely the rest of his ouvre is just more of the same ill researched trash.
From the little I have seen these tapes are unadulterated balderdash and lend nothing of substance which could possibly help in any way to resolve what happened to Madeleine; and actually I think that may be the least of his condiderations.
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Post by: stephen25000 on August 12, 2014, 08:50:24 PM
Have you watched part 4 of the video ?
and can you tell me which parts are incorrect ?
P.S. I've done some research on some of the companies mentioned, and of course checked some of Mitchell's quotes. So far, it seems he is quite accurate in his findings.
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Post by: Mr Gray on August 12, 2014, 09:02:44 PM
P.S. I've done some research on some of the companies mentioned, and of course checked some of Mitchell's quotes. So far, it seems he is quite accurate in his findings.
It's called the true story...how can he make this claim when no one knows what happenned
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Post by: stephen25000 on August 12, 2014, 09:37:15 PM
I thought it was important to watch them. But that's just me. However, I do think it would all have fitted into an hour. In which case I would have been prepared to watch it again. But there is no way I am ploughing through that lot again.
But I might watch Part Four again as I agree that it did raise some interest.
I have yet to watch part 3, but I will do so and also watch part 4 again as well. You can use 'Company Check', a partially free service to check on some details. The crook Halligen is listed several times and with a current 'address'.
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Post by: Eleanor on August 13, 2014, 08:19:33 AM
I have yet to watch part 3, but I will do so and also watch part 4 again as well. You can use 'Company Check', a partially free service to check on some details. The crook Halligen is listed several timesa and with a current 'address'.
Not sure what "Company Check" is Stephen. What does it tell you?
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Post by: stephen25000 on August 13, 2014, 08:25:02 AM
I haven't read his theory on 7/7....just seen a little on his site...and a little about crop circles being the work of aliens...9/11 a government cover up...his support of those who believe Lee Rigby's death was part of a government plan...Ian Huntley being framed by the CIA.
He has no credibility...why should I waste my time watching his work.
As he believes in alien abduction - I'm surprised he didn't put that theory forward as the answer to Madeleine's disappearance.
His theory (that a massive cover up has been in operation for years - because the McCanns KNOW 'something' which, if revealed, will bring down governments,) noticeably doesn't include any reasons as to HOW or WHY an ordinary married couple with kids from Leicestershire came to be in such a massive position of power that they actually have Prime ministers, MP's, MI5, MI6, every other government agency, the whole of the UK media and let's not forget the Masons - to name but a few - in the palm of their hand.
All that vast power and yet Gerry still peddles off to work every day on his pushbike. Hardly an image of supreme power is it? But wait - no doubt that is just another cover up so that no-one will realise that he secretly controls the country (if not the world)
I was going to say I've never heard such an unadulterated load of rubbish, but as it happens, I have - as strong whiffs of Bennett and co. pervade the whole article imo.
The True Story of Madeleine?? (insert Jim Royle comment here)
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Post by: Mr Gray on August 13, 2014, 09:50:51 AM
Why have SY said they are treating the case as a stranger abduction
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Post by: stephen25000 on August 13, 2014, 09:52:55 AM
So are you saying it wasn't a stranger who 'abducted' Madeleine dave, i.e. someone instead known to them ??
no I think the most likely case is a stranger abduction...this video doesn't agree from what you have said...so why do you think SY are treating the case as a stranger abduction
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Post by: stephen25000 on August 13, 2014, 10:05:36 AM
no I think the most likely case is a stranger abduction...this video doesn't agree from what you have said...so why do you think SY are treating the case as a stranger abduction
As you know well dave, I don't believe any abduction took place , and I have yet to see any evidence, let alone forensic evidence which indicate this to be the case.
The video, if you watched it, ends with it's author stating he doesn't know what happened to Madeleine, and that remains the state of play in Portugal.
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Post by: Mr Gray on August 13, 2014, 10:09:30 AM
As you know well dave, I don't believe any abduction took place , and I have yet to see any evidence, let alone forensic evidence which indicate this to be the case.
The video, if you watched it, ends with it's author stating he doesn't know what happened to Madeleine, and that remains the state of play in Portugal.
Then I agree with him...no one knows for certain...we can decide what is most likely on the available evidence...which is what SY have done as they search for the abductor
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Post by: Benice on August 13, 2014, 10:12:35 AM
As you know well dave, I don't believe any abduction took place , and I have yet to see any evidence, let alone forensic evidence which indicate this to be the case.
The video, if you watched it, ends with it's author stating he doesn't know what happened to Madeleine, and that remains the state of play in Portugal.
So how can he claim to be telling the true story of Madeleine if he doesn't know what the true story is? He can't have it both ways.
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Post by: stephen25000 on August 13, 2014, 10:18:47 AM
Then I agree with him...no one knows for certain...we can decide what is most likely on the available evidence...which is what SY have done as they search for the abductor
...'we can decide.....' ?
I know , benice would like this, abduction by aliens from Beta Centuari 2.
A nice 'class M' planet 4.3 light years away. 8((()*/
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Post by: Benice on August 13, 2014, 10:57:49 AM
Perhaps you should pay attention to the theme of the videos.
To be perfectly honest I'm not too sure what the theme is. It just seems to be a long list of rehashed myths, misinformation, conspiracy theories, gossip, innuendo, - sometimes laced with words lilke 'shadowy' or 'mysterious' to make perfectly normal stuff sound suspicious.
And why does he claim to be sick to death of newspaper articles, and then quote some newspaper articles word for word as if he believes their content is gospel?
To be fair I have only skipped through quite a lot of this video, but IMO it's so amateurish its cringeworthy. Although IMO he could definitely win prizes for verbosity.
Sorry Stephen - I can't take this seriously. But if you want to - then of course - that's your prerogative.
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Post by: stephen25000 on August 13, 2014, 11:01:36 AM
To be perfectly honest I'm not too sure what the theme is. It just seems to be a long list of rehashed myths, misinformation, conspiracy theories, gossip, innuendo, - sometimes laced with words lilke 'shadowy' or 'mysterious' to make perfectly normal stuff sound suspicious.
And why does he claim to be sick to death of newspaper articles, and then quote some newspaper articles word for word as if he believes their content is gospel?
To be fair I have only skipped through quite a lot of this video, but IMO it's so amateurish its cringeworthy. Although IMO he could definitely win prizes for verbosity.
Sorry Stephen - I can't take this seriously. But if you want to - then of course - that's your prerogative.
You don't want to take it seriously, for a simple reason.
it shows what all the abduction stories in the headlines were.....
PLANTED and PURE RUBBISH.
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Post by: Benice on August 13, 2014, 11:14:06 AM
You don't want to take it seriously, for a simple reason.
it shows what all the abduction stories in the headlines were.....
PLANTED and PURE RUBBISH.
If you say so Stephen...... but you still haven't come up with a reason WHY the McCanns have allegedly been afforded the protection of subsequent governments (with a cast of thousands) to prevent them going to court.
What exactly is it that they are holding over the heads of our leaders? And how did they come into possession of this dynamite (whatever it is) - with which they are so successfully blackmailing them? (Apparently).
Do tell.
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Post by: stephen25000 on August 13, 2014, 11:34:14 AM
If you say so Stephen...... but you still haven't come up with a reason WHY the McCanns have allegedly been afforded the protection of subsequent governments (with a cast of thousands) to prevent them going to court.
What exactly is it that they are holding over the heads of our leaders? And how did they come into possession of this dynamite (whatever it is) - with which they are so successfully blackmailing them? (Apparently).
Do tell.
You're not answering the points about the 'FAKE ABDUCTION STORIES and CLARENCE MITCHELL', why is that ?
Secondly, it is very clear the mccanns had access to Blair and his wife, and of course Brown, not counting numerous other governmental 'assistance'.
How do you explain that ?
and do you seriously believe a husband and wife from a council estate would have received the 'HELP' the mccanns have been given.
If you do, then you are the clear fantasist and then some.
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Post by: Benice on August 13, 2014, 11:56:03 AM
You're not answering the points about the 'FAKE ABDUCTION STORIES and CLARENCE MITCHELL', why is that ?
Secondly, it is very clear the mccanns had access to Blair and his wife, and of course Brown, not counting numerous other governmental 'assistance'.
How do you explain that ?
and do you seriously believe a husband and wife from a council estate would have received the 'HELP' the mccanns have been given.
If you do, then you are the clear fantasist and then some.
But surely you need to start at the beginning Stephen? What is this enormous power that the McCanns hold over our government, the police, the media, etc etc etc which enables them to treat them like puppets on a string whenever they like?
Unless you can come up with a credible answer to that basic question - then none of the allegations of a cover up make any sense - and so aren't worth discussing. Surely you must see that?
(I must go out now - so I'll leave you to ponder).
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Post by: Mr Gray on August 13, 2014, 12:38:18 PM
What proof is there of fake abduction stories and Clarence Mitchell
Watch part 4. 8((()*/
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Post by: Eddie on August 13, 2014, 01:57:59 PM
I must begin by making it clear that I am NOT a McCann supporter!
The list that has been provided earlier in this thread as the sources used by RH is actually a list of useful links. His primary source of reference, particularly in disc 3 seems to be the MSM. In disc three he spends 20 minutes or so reading from an article written by Christine Toomey in the Sunday times (a Murdoch Group newspaper). This section comprises roughly one third of the videos total length. He also uses references at length from the Daily Mail and The London Evening Standard. This hardly bodes well for someone who is attempting to prove that this story has been "Buried by the mainstream media"
Richard also fails to mention that the Mccann's sued the Express Group in 2008. The Express Group had printed over 100 articles that implied the Mccann's were involved in the 'disappearance' of their daughter. This indicates that, far from burying the story, the express group were keen to print all aspects of the case. I have no doubt that without the threat of litigation the Express group would still be reporting in the same fashion, after all it sells newspapers which is their business. I raised this issue, via e-mail with Richard and got the reply that the Express Group could have deliberately overstated the Mccann's involvement in their articles in order to get silenced! In other words, Richard proposes, that the Express Group may have deliberately got themselves sued.
Another area where Richard makes a fundamental mistake is in his belief that Clarence Mitchell 'controlled' what came out in the media. This is taken from a Spanish article where the verb 'monitor' has been translated to 'controla' and then mistranslated back to English as 'control' Clarence Mitchell's function as the head of the media 'monitoring' unit was to read the newspapers and highlight to the PM anything of note. He did not have meetings with editors and journalists at 3am telling them what they could and could not print.
Richards agenda is to highlight the covering up of stories in the mainstream media. On this showing he falls short of the mark. He has little interest in the case of Madeleine beyond his vision of a cover up. While he does highlight a few of the many inconsistencies in the case he fails to grip the viewer to any degree. I am interested in the case and have been since day one. I happen to believe that the Mccann's were involved in the death of their daughter and the subsequent hiding of evidence. I further believe that the 'fund' has been used for purposes other than the search for Madeleine. I am also suspicious of the high level involvement in the case. In all of these aspects I find myself agreeing with Richard, however, with his poor methodology and tedious presentation this DVD series will not convince many 'pros' or neutrals.
Finally, while it is true that Richard has waived copyright on these DVDs and has asked that they be distributed freely and they are freely available on YouTube, we must remember that not everyone is solely motivated financially. For some publicity is what drives them and in this respect Richard may have hit the jackpot!
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Post by: Bert Singe on August 13, 2014, 03:42:15 PM
I must begin by making it clear that I am NOT a McCann supporter!
The list that has been provided earlier in this thread as the sources used by RH is actually a list of useful links. His primary source of reference, particularly in disc 3 seems to be the MSM. In disc three he spends 20 minutes or so reading from an article written by Christine Toomey in the Sunday times (a Murdoch Group newspaper). This section comprises roughly one third of the videos total length. He also uses references at length from the Daily Mail and The London Evening Standard. This hardly bodes well for someone who is attempting to prove that this story has been "Buried by the mainstream media"
Richard also fails to mention that the Mccann's sued the Express Group in 2008. The Express Group had printed over 100 articles that implied the Mccann's were involved in the 'disappearance' of their daughter. This indicates that, far from burying the story, the express group were keen to print all aspects of the case. I have no doubt that without the threat of litigation the Express group would still be reporting in the same fashion, after all it sells newspapers which is their business. I raised this issue, via e-mail with Richard and got the reply that the Express Group could have deliberately overstated the Mccann's involvement in their articles in order to get silenced! In other words, Richard proposes, that the Express Group may have deliberately got themselves sued.
Another area where Richard makes a fundamental mistake is in his belief that Clarence Mitchell 'controlled' what came out in the media. This is taken from a Spanish article where the verb 'monitor' has been translated to 'controla' and then mistranslated back to English as 'control' Clarence Mitchell's function as the head of the media 'monitoring' unit was to read the newspapers and highlight to the PM anything of note. He did not have meetings with editors and journalists at 3am telling them what they could and could not print.
Richards agenda is to highlight the covering up of stories in the mainstream media. On this showing he falls short of the mark. He has little interest in the case of Madeleine beyond his vision of a cover up. While he does highlight a few of the many inconsistencies in the case he fails to grip the viewer to any degree. I am interested in the case and have been since day one. I happen to believe that the Mccann's were involved in the death of their daughter and the subsequent hiding of evidence. I further believe that the 'fund' has been used for purposes other than the search for Madeleine. I am also suspicious of the high level involvement in the case. In all of these aspects I find myself agreeing with Richard, however, with his poor methodology and tedious presentation this DVD series will not convince many '[ censored word ]' or neutrals.
Finally, while it is true that Richard has waived copyright on these DVDs and has asked that they be distributed freely and they are freely available on YouTube, we must remember that not everyone is solely motivated financially. For some publicity is what drives them and in this respect Richard may have hit the jackpot!
I'll join your first post in making my own first post by saying I echo your thoughts.
I do not go in for conspiracy theories and this Richard Hall seems to be heavily into them. I have not yet watched all of the videos, I'm halfway through part 3 at the moment. I find his tone very monotonous and his narrative very wooden. The videos would have been much more enjoyable with a professional narrator but I must stress that none of that should detract from the message Richard Hall is attempting to convey.
That message is that something is just not right with this whole sorry episode and requires further investigation. Why has that investigation not been forthcoming? It certainly has not been a feature of the UK police's recent investigation. They appear to have made their mind up from day one of Operation Grange that the parents nor their friends had anything to do with this disappearance and it is therefore a stranger abduction. As of yet none of that has been proven and this case remains unsolved as do many, many other serious past crimes the UK police have had the opportunity to investigate and failed to find the answer to.
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Post by: Brietta on August 13, 2014, 04:02:22 PM
I must begin by making it clear that I am NOT a McCann supporter!
The list that has been provided earlier in this thread as the sources used by RH is actually a list of useful links. His primary source of reference, particularly in disc 3 seems to be the MSM. In disc three he spends 20 minutes or so reading from an article written by Christine Toomey in the Sunday times (a Murdoch Group newspaper). This section comprises roughly one third of the videos total length. He also uses references at length from the Daily Mail and The London Evening Standard. This hardly bodes well for someone who is attempting to prove that this story has been "Buried by the mainstream media"
Richard also fails to mention that the Mccann's sued the Express Group in 2008. The Express Group had printed over 100 articles that implied the Mccann's were involved in the 'disappearance' of their daughter. This indicates that, far from burying the story, the express group were keen to print all aspects of the case. I have no doubt that without the threat of litigation the Express group would still be reporting in the same fashion, after all it sells newspapers which is their business. I raised this issue, via e-mail with Richard and got the reply that the Express Group could have deliberately overstated the Mccann's involvement in their articles in order to get silenced! In other words, Richard proposes, that the Express Group may have deliberately got themselves sued.
Another area where Richard makes a fundamental mistake is in his belief that Clarence Mitchell 'controlled' what came out in the media. This is taken from a Spanish article where the verb 'monitor' has been translated to 'controla' and then mistranslated back to English as 'control' Clarence Mitchell's function as the head of the media 'monitoring' unit was to read the newspapers and highlight to the PM anything of note. He did not have meetings with editors and journalists at 3am telling them what they could and could not print.
Richards agenda is to highlight the covering up of stories in the mainstream media. On this showing he falls short of the mark. He has little interest in the case of Madeleine beyond his vision of a cover up. While he does highlight a few of the many inconsistencies in the case he fails to grip the viewer to any degree. I am interested in the case and have been since day one. I happen to believe that the Mccann's were involved in the death of their daughter and the subsequent hiding of evidence. I further believe that the 'fund' has been used for purposes other than the search for Madeleine. I am also suspicious of the high level involvement in the case. In all of these aspects I find myself agreeing with Richard, however, with his poor methodology and tedious presentation this DVD series will not convince many '[ censored word ]' or neutrals.
Finally, while it is true that Richard has waived copyright on these DVDs and has asked that they be distributed freely and they are freely available on YouTube, we must remember that not everyone is solely motivated financially. For some publicity is what drives them and in this respect Richard may have hit the jackpot!
Welcome to the forum, Eddie.
You certainly have nailed your colours firmly to the mast. I hope you are able to spare a thought for Madeleine McCann; she is the important one here; what you may think of her parents is an irrelevance except when that might impede in any way the current investigation into her case.
Your point that the mainstream media have in the past done rather the reverse of burying information such as may be contained in this documentary is well made.
The damaging media frenzy you describe was curtailed with the release of the actual forensic results; that there were out of court settlements made confirms that it was immediately realised that the information they had previously printed was false.
One wonders why there are people who cannot come to terms with this; the fact being that if a statement is libellous it must be unfounded and cannot be proved; the mainstream media have been made aware of this, and therefore to a large extent try not to replicate untruths exemplified in scurrilous documentaries such as this.
I agree with your point that some have publicity thrust upon them but the motivating factor for others is to achieve publicity by whatever means possible ~ and I think that is the purpose of these videos.
Self promotion seems to be the name of the game here; not concern that the 'truth' is ever told about Madeleine McCann.
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Post by: Eleanor on August 13, 2014, 04:06:06 PM
Eddie and Bert Singe. Welcome.
This was and still remains a Portuguese Investigation. What do you think of the way in which they handled it, prior to Scotland Yard becoming involved.
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Post by: Brietta on August 13, 2014, 04:09:55 PM
I'll join your first post in making my own first post by saying I echo your thoughts.
I do not go in for conspiracy theories and this Richard Hall seems to be heavily into them. I have not yet watched all of the videos, I'm halfway through part 3 at the moment. I find his tone very monotonous and his narrative very wooden. The videos would have been much more enjoyable with a professional narrator but I must stress that none of that should detract from the message Richard Hall is attempting to convey.
That message is that something is just not right with this whole sorry episode and requires further investigation. Why has that investigation not been forthcoming? It certainly has not been a feature of the UK police's recent investigation. They appear to have made their mind up from day one of Operation Grange that the parents nor their friends had anything to do with this disappearance and it is therefore a stranger abduction. As of yet none of that has been proven and this case remains unsolved as do many, many other serious past crimes the UK police have had the opportunity to investigate and failed to find the answer to.
Hello Bert Singe.
Great to see the forum attracting new blood.
Great also that you have had the stamina to stick with the videos. Maybe you will be the one who will be able to separate the wheat from the chaff for us since conspiracy theories don’t seem to be your thing.
Look forward to your interpretation.
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Post by: Bert Singe on August 13, 2014, 04:34:52 PM
Great also that you have had the stamina to stick with the videos. Maybe you will be the one who will be able to separate the wheat from the chaff for us since conspiracy theories don’t seem to be your thing.
Look forward to your interpretation.
Hello Brietta.
I have just finished Part 3 and will attempt to find time to watch Part 4 this evening. I gather this is the one that touches more on conspiracy but I may be wrong? Have you watched the videos?
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Post by: Brietta on August 13, 2014, 05:23:33 PM
I have just finished Part 3 and will attempt to find time to watch Part 4 this evening. I gather this is the one that touches more on conspiracy but I may be wrong? Have you watched the videos?
I reached 5:11 in the first video when he went big on the John Stalker selective quote. Because it had been recommended I watched the fourth video until I hit the Clarence controlling the press myth, which was quite early in. So I did try on the basis you can't discuss something you haven't bothered to watch; but I'm afraid that doesn't stretch to what I consider hogwash.
Good luck with the fourth one! Let me know if his angle is selling tin foil hats ~ maybe he thinks there is a market for them out there.
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Post by: Mr Gray on August 13, 2014, 05:30:38 PM
Oh dear, you have not been reading my posts or you would know I have not.
Which is why I was relying on you; but I see from your post it is all the same old ~ same old anyway; so no worries; I’m not missing a thing and I have four hours of my life more than you which I have put to something more enjoyable than watching a rehash of old lies and innuendo.
No lies, no innuendo, merely facts and some of his opinions.
You might wish to exercise common sense and watch number 4.
It would help.
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Post by: stephen25000 on August 13, 2014, 06:23:13 PM
"I believe Kate and Gerry are not responsible for Madeleine's death"
nothing wrong with that...
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Post by: Jean-Pierre on August 13, 2014, 08:36:02 PM
Oh dear. Why is it that every theory of "how the McCanns dunnit" depends on high level government cover ups, press cover ups, political interference and all sorts of shenanigans..
The theory that Madeleine was abducted and the McCann family were innocent victims of a crime is much simpler, and does not need any conspiracy theories. Much less exciting, I grant you, but does not need such a stretch of the imagination.
The conspiracy theorists do overlook one important factor - if this was all a government cover up, it is an exceptionally inept one.
With a real cover up, nobody would know anything about it. Zilch. Nada. Nothing to discuss.
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Post by: Miss Taken Identity on August 13, 2014, 09:20:05 PM
What an interesting thread. Welcome to Eddie and Bert.
The main reason Richard was quoting the MSM was to highlight the differences in what was *sexed up* for the public in terms of what was actually going on,or , in some instances what was going on but not being reported. I admire him for these documentaries, they are well researched.
I am not a fan of conspiracies at all, but as a critical thinker, I find as much as is possible from both views.
I have never stated a theory (I can think of a few)but the clinical PR methodology rushed in place by the government to 'protect' the Tapas 9 is just too weird to ignore. I ruled out a stranger abduction on the first interview they gave, I just didn't believe them-that simple. And ,well look how it all turned out; the lies and tales were shunted out at an alarming rate-the stories spun so fast it gave the Tasmanian devil a run for his money.
I believe little Maddie is dead, and has been since 2007. The parents facilitated her fate, what ever fate that was, and no amount or PR will ever change that! The story goes...parents go for meal and drink leaving 3 children under 4 years of age -alone in a foreign country. One goes missing- two are left with a terrible dilemma when they grow up. The parents spend millions of pounds, blame everyone for doing 'something' to stop them finding their daughter-the one they left alone in an unlocked apartment.
kate answered one question- she knew that by being asked "awkward" questions, she could jeopardize her daughters investigation. She saved her own reputation at the cost of her daughters whereabouts being established....well, nice people the McCann's.Nice Middle class people-who do charity...
This Documentary will hopefully get UK wide audience. I am going to send it to everyone...
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Post by: Mr Gray on August 13, 2014, 09:28:32 PM
What an interesting thread. Welcome to Eddie and Bert.
The main reason Richard was quoting the MSM was to highlight the differences in what was *sexed up* for the public in terms of what was actually going on,or , in some instances what was going on but not being reported. I admire him for these documentaries, they are well researched.
I am not a fan of conspiracies at all, but as a critical thinker, I find as much as is possible from both views.
I have never stated a theory (I can think of a few)but the clinical PR methodology rushed in place by the government to 'protect' the Tapas 9 is just too weird to ignore. I ruled out a stranger abduction on the first interview they gave, I just didn't believe them-that simple. And ,well look how it all turned out; the lies and tales were shunted out at an alarming rate-the stories spun so fast it gave the Tasmanian devil a run for his money.
I believe little Maddie is dead, and has been since 2007. The parents facilitated her fate, what ever fate that was, and no amount or PR will ever change that! The story goes...parents go for meal and drink leaving 3 children under 4 years of age -alone in a foreign country. One goes missing- two are left with a terrible dilemma when they grow up. The parents spend millions of pounds, blame everyone for doing 'something' to stop them finding their daughter-the one they left alone in an unlocked apartment.
kate answered one question- she knew that by being asked "awkward" questions, she could jeopardize her daughters investigation. She saved her own reputation at the cost of her daughters whereabouts being established....well, nice people the McCann's.Nice Middle class people-who do charity...
This Documentary will hopefully get UK wide audience. I am going to send it to everyone...
Kate answered a lot more than one question but don't let the truth spoil your theory
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Post by: Miss Taken Identity on August 13, 2014, 09:46:54 PM
Kate did not answer pertinent questions put to her once she was given arguido status because she took her lawyers advice to remain silent in case she incriminated herself...Oh Really, well if she was innocent and claims to be innocent, what is the problem? what can she say that would incriminate her?
Now NSY asked for PDL residents to be made arguidos and questioned. They all forfeited their right to silence and they answered a lot more questions. Just saying...
Again, Kate protecting herself, not giving a thought for her daughter at all.
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Post by: Mr Gray on August 13, 2014, 09:54:55 PM
Kate did not answer pertinent questions put to her once she was given arguido status because she took her lawyers advice to remain silent in case she incriminated herself...Oh Really, well if she was innocent and claims to be innocent, what is the problem? what can she say that would incriminate her?
Now NSY asked for PDL residents to be made arguidos and questioned. They all forfeited their right to silence and they answered a lot more questions. Just saying...
Again, Kate protecting herself, not giving a thought for her daughter at all.
So your statement Kate only answered one question is incorrect....that's all I needed to know. The rest of your post has been discussed ad nauseam and is a matter of opinion
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Post by: Miss Taken Identity on August 13, 2014, 10:10:35 PM
No, kate did not answer pertinent questions as an arguido... APART FROM ONE, this is in the files not my opinion at all and fine well you know it. You are trolling Dave. your ad nausum can be attributed to two lousy parents, funny you never picked up on the rest of the post. Truth hurts much?
From now on I will not reply to your childish jibes, I got bored with them at the beginning of coming here. I thought I would give you the opportunity to discuss-and or debate statements.
Way beyond your level I'm Afraid.
Kate was asked by the PJ- Do you realise that by NOT answering the questions you are jeapordising the investigation to find your daughter.
kate replied "yes"
Mummy was looking after mummies reputation-to hell with the investigation...?
Nice mummy.
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Post by: DCI on August 13, 2014, 10:45:50 PM
No, kate did not answer pertinent questions as an arguido... APART FROM ONE, this is in the files not my opinion at all and fine well you know it. You are trolling Dave. your ad nausum can be attributed to two lousy parents, funny you never picked up on the rest of the post. Truth hurts much?
From now on I will not reply to your childish jibes, I got bored with them at the beginning of coming here. I thought I would give you the opportunity to discuss-and or debate statements.
Way beyond your level I'm Afraid.
Kate was asked by the PJ- Do you realise that by NOT answering the questions you are jeapordising the investigation to find your daughter.
kate replied "yes"
Mummy was looking after mummies reputation-to hell with the investigation...?
Nice mummy.
Kate was asked
--- Asked if she is aware that her failure to respond to the questions put in the cause of the investigation, which seeks to know what happened to her daughter, she replied that yes, if the investigation so thinks.
If you are going to quote from the files, you should at least use the quote verbatim from them, and not other forum quotes.
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Post by: Miss Taken Identity on August 14, 2014, 12:29:50 AM
Verbatim is not necessary as Dave knows full well what the files say, and besides paraphrasing is allowed you know. So yet again picking up on words but not debating the content-well it speaks for itself really.
We have established that Kate refused to answer many questions like; what did you do? what did you see? when you entered the room? but did answer that one about it affecting the investigation..She claimed she refused as instructed by her solicitor as she may incriminate herself. If she is innocent, why could she incriminate herself?
Actually, how can one defend such callous behavior?
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Post by: stephen25000 on August 14, 2014, 08:20:09 AM
Verbatim is not necessary as Dave knows full well what the files say, and besides paraphrasing is allowed you know. So yet again picking up on words but not debating the content-well it speaks for itself really.
We have established that Kate refused to answer many questions like; what did you do? what did you see? when you entered the room? but did answer that one about it affecting the investigation..She claimed she refused as instructed by her solicitor as she may incriminate herself. If she is innocent, why could she incriminate herself?
Actually, how can one defend such callous behavior?
in the situation she was in Kate was absolutely right in not answering anymore questions...the topic has been discussed at length...your criticism is ridiculous....imo
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Post by: stephen25000 on August 14, 2014, 08:53:43 AM
Oh dear. Why is it that every theory of "how the McCanns dunnit" depends on high level government cover ups, press cover ups, political interference and all sorts of shenanigans..
The theory that Madeleine was abducted and the McCann family were innocent victims of a crime is much simpler, and does not need any conspiracy theories. Much less exciting, I grant you, but does not need such a stretch of the imagination.
The conspiracy theorists do overlook one important factor - if this was all a government cover up, it is an exceptionally inept one.
With a real cover up, nobody would know anything about it. Zilch. Nada. Nothing to discuss.
Well on one point, I agree, it was totally inept.
The details of the contacts between the Blairs, Browns and the mccanns would have come out sooner or later.
The mccanns helped with that of course, with the book and the attempted social climbing.
For the rest, including the so called 'independent P.I.'s, including Edgar and Cowley, who would themselves have considerable trouble organizing a certain activity in a brewery, it became a theatre of the absurd.
The brief existence of 'Alphacraig' can be traced on Company Check and other similar sites.
I wonder what that pair are up to now ?
Perhaps residing in a lawless village a few miles south of PDL. @)(++(*
The sheer absurdity of the attempts to spread the mythical abduction were revealed so well in video 4.
I'll watch the remnants of 2 and the entirety of 3 in due course.
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Post by: Eleanor on August 14, 2014, 09:10:10 AM
I don't think "Who" created a Company is all that important. I have always understood that Edgar and Cowley were employed and supported by Brian Kennedy on behalf of The McCanns.
Someone tried to turn Aphaig into some sort of mystery. Bennett, I do believe. But why should it matter what Edgar and Cowley called themselves?
I hope they do run some sort of Agency now that they don't appear to be searching for Madeleine. Although we can't be sure that they aren't doing that. It would hardly be Interfering with the Course of Justice since this remains a Portuguese Investigation.
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Post by: stephen25000 on August 14, 2014, 09:21:23 AM
I don't think "Who" created a Company is all that important. I have always understood that Edgar and Cowley were employed and supported by Brian Kennedy on behalf of The McCanns.
Someone tried to turn Aphaig into some sort of mystery. Bennett, I do believe. But why should it matter what Edgar and Cowley called themselves?
I hope they do run some sort of Agency now that they don't appear to be searching for Madeleine. Although we can't be sure that they aren't doing that. It would hardly be Interfering with the Course of Justice since this remains a Portuguese Investigation.
Well nothing has come up on Company Check or the equivalents. Theyappear to have disappeared into oblivion, unless working for someone else.
The impression given at the time to the media was of independent organizations,not ones specifically 'set-up' to deal with a potential abduction
IMO, the incompetence was highlighted by one section involving the 'Beckham' lookalike, where the port authority in Barcelona and nearby businesses recorded no visits by anyone questioning about the private yacht and the woman requesting where her new child was. Now that story became worldwide and revealed as we know NOTHING.
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Post by: Brietta on August 14, 2014, 09:38:43 AM
Well nothing has come up on Company Check or the equivalents. Theyappear to have disappeared into oblivion, unless working for someone else.
The impression given at the time to the media was of independent organizations,not ones specifically 'set-up' to deal with a potential abduction
IMO, the incompetence was highlighted by one section involving the 'Beckham' lookalike, where the port authority in Barcelona and nearby businesses recorded no visits by anyone questioning about the private yacht and the woman requesting where her new child was. Now that story became worldwide and revealed as we know NOTHING.
Actually I think you are missing the real scandal here: and that is at the time no law enforcement agency in the world was actively looking for Madeleine McCann.
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Post by: stephen25000 on August 14, 2014, 09:45:32 AM
Actually I think you are missing the real scandal here: and that is at the time no law enforcement agency in the world was actively looking for Madeleine McCann.
Nope.
There were PJ officers still on the case, and let's not forget the worldwide headlines and reward..............
...........and guess what, NOTHING HAS RESULTED FROM THAT.
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Post by: Eleanor on August 14, 2014, 09:46:34 AM
Well nothing has come up on Company Check or the equivalents. Theyappear to have disappeared into oblivion, unless working for someone else.
The impression given at the time to the media was of independent organizations,not ones specifically 'set-up' to deal with a potential abduction
IMO, the incompetence was highlighted by one section involving the 'Beckham' lookalike, where the port authority in Barcelona and nearby businesses recorded no visits by anyone questioning about the private yacht and the woman requesting where her new child was. Now that story became worldwide and revealed as we know NOTHING.
I think one of them said that they would find what they would find, no matter what. And as things should be. If they found anything pointing to The McCanns then I trust that this would have been passed on to Scotland Yard when they took over. So in that sense they were independent.
Not sure about incompetence. The Victoria Beckham business can't have been the only lead they were following. And I think that the whole idea was to get it out there, which they did. Although the choice wouldn't have been theirs alone.
But I can see where the Company Check could come in handy.
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Post by: stephen25000 on August 14, 2014, 10:01:10 AM
I think one of them said that they would find what they would find, no matter what. And as things should be. If they found anything pointing to The McCanns then I trust that this would have been passed on to Scotland Yard when they took over. So in that sense they were independent.
Not sure about incompetence. The Victoria Beckham business can't have been the only lead they were following. And I think that the whole idea was to get it out there, which they did. Although the choice wouldn't have been theirs alone.
But I can see where the Company Check could come in handy.
Well as they were previously in the police service, one of the cornerstones of good investigative work is to follow up the lead(s). They didn't.
Likewise if they were being paid for by the fund, how could they have been independent ?
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Post by: Brietta on August 14, 2014, 10:02:05 AM
There were PJ officers still on the case, and let's not forget the worldwide headlines and reward..............
...........and guess what, NOTHING HAS RESULTED FROM THAT.
The main man in Portugal was Ricardo Paiva who believes Madeleine is dead: under cross examination he revealed that the public had not been put off because of the assertions in Dr Amaral's book because they were indeed still sending information to the PJ as were official law enforcement bodies; when the files were looked at they were found to have been marked as not relevant to the inquiry; despite containing images of children who looked like Madeleine but which had not been shown to her parents.
When the fund et al were scrabbling around desperately trying to search for Madeleine ~ it was because there was no official search taking place.
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Post by: stephen25000 on August 14, 2014, 10:04:57 AM
The main man in Portugal was Ricardo Paiva who believes Madeleine is dead: under cross examination he revealed that the public had not been put off because of the assertions in Dr Amaral's book because they were indeed still sending information to the PJ as were official law enforcement bodies; when the files were looked at they were found to have been marked as not relevant to the inquiry; despite containing images of children who looked like Madeleine but which had not been shown to her parents.
When the fund et al were scrabbling around desperately trying to search for Madeleine ~ it was because there was no official search taking place.
You are assuming Madeleine could be found.
Now what makes you think she would be, after well over 7 years of unparalleled worldwide publicity ?
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Post by: Eleanor on August 14, 2014, 10:13:32 AM
What is the extent of Brian Kennedy's involvement in this case ?
As he was tagged in to these companies as well, it seems.
Brian Kennedy felt great sympathy for The McCanns. He is a Jehova's Witness who felt motivated to spend some of his good fortune helping and defending The McCanns.
Lots on Google
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Post by: Brietta on August 14, 2014, 10:53:32 AM
Now what makes you think she would be, after well over 7 years of unparalleled worldwide publicity ?
The best chance of finding Madeleine was in the hours and days after she was taken; disastrously that opportunity was squandered and Madeleine was betrayed by that.
Until there is some indication of what happened to her I shall continue to hope for the best and that is that she is alive and well; there are many areas in the world where the writ of media attention and publicity does not run; writing off the search for Madeleine McCann can only bring comfort to those who would like nothing better than to be left in peace while the hounding of her parents continues unabated.
To that end I am sure they must be ecstatic that there are still those around who 'buy into' ill thought out publications such as that under discussion at the moment.
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Post by: stephen25000 on August 14, 2014, 11:10:47 AM
The best chance of finding Madeleine was in the hours and days after she was taken; disastrously that opportunity was squandered and Madeleine was betrayed by that.
Until there is some indication of what happened to her I shall continue to hope for the best and that is that she is alive and well; there are many areas in the world where the writ of media attention and publicity does not run; writing off the search for Madeleine McCann can only bring comfort to those who would like nothing better than to be left in peace while the hounding of her parents continues unabated.
To that end I am sure they must be ecstatic that there are still those around who 'buy into' ill thought out publications such as that under discussion at the moment.
Utter rubbish.
Within the parameters of the conditions and the countries involved, Madeleine was searched for by many people.
It would be extremely helpful if that VERY OLD MYTH was placed where it belongs.
'Ill thought out publications'.
Has that come from the mccann camp ?
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Post by: John on August 14, 2014, 11:59:29 AM
There were PJ officers still on the case, and let's not forget the worldwide headlines and reward..............
...........and guess what, NOTHING HAS RESULTED FROM THAT.
Madeleine, like Joana, never left Portugal.
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Post by: Benice on August 14, 2014, 12:09:35 PM
Apparently Kate should have done what the sceptics think she should have done - i.e. ignored her lawyer's advice and done everything in her power to assist the police to pin the crime on herself. I ask you - what innocent person would do that - and why do people think they know better than her lawyer - who was obviously giving advice aimed solely at preventing the PJ from framing his client?
He was exercising his legal expertise - which Kate did not have - and as his client she would have been mad to think she knew better and to ignore his advice.
What sane person willingly helps the police to pin a crime on themselves which they didn't commit?
The mind boggles at the bizarre logic of some people.
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Post by: stephen25000 on August 14, 2014, 12:34:15 PM
Within the parameters of the conditions and the countries involved, Madeleine was searched for by many people.
It would be extremely helpful if that VERY OLD MYTH was placed where it belongs.
'Ill thought out publications'.
Has that come from the mccann camp ? >@@(*&)
Nothing has come from 'the McCann camp' whatever you imagine that is, it has come from me , some thought and an injection of common sense.
Madeleine was stolen in Portugal; how long she remained in Portugal is known only to those involved; but the lead investigator has written a book which tells us that very soon after she was taken, he came to the conclusion she was dead.
This resulted in the search for a missing little girl who might still have been in the area being turned on its head, with all available official resources concentrating on looking for evidence to implicate her parents in her disappearance.
This involved utilising the gutter press in Portugal to leak horrendous accusations aimed at Madeleine's parents; subsequently picked up by the press in the rest of the world.
In the interim the focus was removed from the perpetrator/s of this crime in the place where it happened and where it mattered most ~ Portugal.
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Post by: Brietta on August 14, 2014, 01:46:38 PM
''......and there's no evidence to implicate us in her death''
" ... probably because, as he had already stated quite clearly, there was no evidence that Madeleine was dead. If the evidence did not exist that she was dead how could it be possible there would be evidence to implicate her parents ~ and do not forget that was the accusation??
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Post by: Brietta on August 14, 2014, 01:58:00 PM
Many people over the past seven years have expended a lot of time and energy trying to implicate Madeleine's parents in her disappearance. The 'latest' videos merely rehashes these tired old accusations perhaps in the notion that if it is said often enough people will begin to believe it.
I think there has been an absolute panic in some quarters that the new investigation might actually reveal the truth of the matter; and that investigation most certainly is starting from the point when Madeleine was abducted by a stranger.
Obviously you know better ... but we shall see.
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: John on August 14, 2014, 02:00:31 PM
Apparently Kate should have done what the sceptics think she should have done - i.e. ignored her lawyer's advice and done everything in her power to assist the police to pin the crime on herself. I ask you - what innocent person would do that - and why do people think they know better than her lawyer - who was obviously giving advice aimed solely at preventing the PJ from framing his client?
He was exercising his legal expertise - which Kate did not have - and as his client she would have been mad to think she knew better and to ignore his advice.
What sane person willingly helps the police to pin a crime on themselves which they didn't commit?
The mind boggles at the bizarre logic of some people.
Her response to the last question says it all.
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Brietta on August 14, 2014, 02:08:20 PM
She was astute enough to be aware that the investigation had nothing at all to do with Madeleine at that stage and all to do with the investigation into her.
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 14, 2014, 02:15:59 PM
she did absolutely the right thing...you know as a policeman that the pj would not have stopped at those 48 questions but would have asked another 48...and kept on going...Kate knew they hadn't got a clue and were not even looking for Maddie...by not answering she was saying charge me or leave me alone
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Post by: ferryman on August 14, 2014, 02:19:12 PM
she did absolutely the right thing...you know as a policeman that the pj would not have stopped at those 48 questions but would have asked another 48...and kept on going...Kate knew they hadn't got a clue and were not even looking for Maddie...by not answering she was saying charge me or leave me alone
.by not answering she [Kate] was saying charge me or leave me alone
Yes!
And they left both Kate and Gerry alone.
Which says what, exactly? ...
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: John on August 14, 2014, 02:50:55 PM
she did absolutely the right thing...you know as a policeman that the pj would not have stopped at those 48 questions but would have asked another 48...and kept on going...Kate knew they hadn't got a clue and were not even looking for Maddie...by not answering she was saying charge me or leave me alone
And being the honest upstanding person she is, she should have cooperated and answered every single question but then she had disdain for the very people charged with discovering what happened to her daughter.
Quote from: Kate McCann - 'Madeleine'
f.....g tosser f.....g tosser
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Brietta on August 14, 2014, 02:55:51 PM
And being the honest upstanding person she is, she should have cooperated and answered every single question but then she had disdain for the very people charged with discovering what happened to her daughter.
Prescient wasn't she.
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: ferryman on August 14, 2014, 02:57:14 PM
And being the honest upstanding person she is, she should have cooperated and answered every single question but then she had disdain for the very people charged with discovering what happened to her daughter.
So unreasonable of Kate to be irate with someone who double-crossed and betrayed them so cruelly ...
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Jean-Pierre on August 14, 2014, 03:20:41 PM
" ... probably because, as he had already stated quite clearly, there was no evidence that Madeleine was dead. If the evidence did not exist that she was dead how could it be possible there would be evidence to implicate her parents ~ and do not forget that was the accusation??
Nil points on that Brietta. 8(0(*
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Eleanor on August 14, 2014, 03:40:39 PM
And being the honest upstanding person she is, she should have cooperated and answered every single question but then she had disdain for the very people charged with discovering what happened to her daughter.
F****** T*****. Yes, well. She wasn't wrong about that.
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: stephen25000 on August 14, 2014, 03:49:49 PM
And being the honest upstanding person she is, she should have cooperated and answered every single question but then she had disdain for the very people charged with discovering what happened to her daughter.
At this stage in the proceedings it was blindingly obvious what the PJ were driving at. And the tactics they were using - with press leaks, lying about the evidence etc etc.
I do not have an argument with the police exaggerating the evidence they have - that sort of fishing expedition seems to be standard practice.
But, to give one example, it seems they did claim that they had a 100% DNA match to Madeleine, and waved FSS papers around - the only problem is that this was the DNA sample from her saliva on the pillow used as a reference sample.
Given the sort of tactics being used, advice to answer "no comment" was perfectly sound, and should not be used to castigate Kate - the PJs interest at that point was prosecuting the parents and not even remotely aiming to find Madeleine - sadly.
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on August 14, 2014, 05:36:10 PM
There was no crime committed on UK soil,so the tax payer is NOT responsible for all crimes committed abroad-sorry about that bubble bursting moment!
Whilst those selfish parents parade their-we have done nothing wrong-slot, thousands of children in this country are suffering and need the tax payers money to help them. So the parents are the real f....g Tos ers!
Brietta said no one was looking for Madeline- the pj were still investigating and that investigation included asking questions of the allegedly last person to see Madeline alive! There was nothing sinister in that. So Kate didn't like being questioned BIG DEAL, she felt 'betrayed and let down'... oh the irony.. hello where is your daughter?
The Portuguese could not find Maddie in their country, if she was taken abroad then, they can't go barging into other countries demanding a search. Also, they don't have the funds unlike- the Kate n gerry show to travel free around the globe to search every country she was 'seen in'.
Kate shows how common and not 'middle class' she is. But then many people share the view she is not at all what she wants people to believe.
Just a point to make - people can be charged and found guilty of murder even in the absence of a body.
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on August 14, 2014, 06:06:53 PM
"Just another chance to embark on a diatribe aimed at Madeleine’s parents"
Just as much the same as you- you have nothing to offer in the way of intellectual, verbal stimulation. You have done nothing to bring Maddie home either, you are just here to play that protect the parents and their story game, well good luck with that. You are never going to convince me or millions of others. As this is a debating forum there is little debating taking place with regards to contents or issues, just blank remarks and jibes at people who refuse to buy into your murky market of 'innocent parents'.
This thread is about a new documentary, not about me or my comments, so why not stick to the thread, HAVE you have anything to discuss about it or can you defend the indefensible?
What happened to Maddie and what about her parents behavior? things I discuss on this forum. Deal with it and/OR ignore it but get over yourself with that high horse attitude!
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Eleanor on August 14, 2014, 06:31:49 PM
Could not Brian Kennedy just be a good man, blessed with good fortune, who had a genuine desire to help?. Especially when he became aware of The Internet Campaign against The McCanns.
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Alfred R Jones on August 14, 2014, 07:33:06 PM
Brooks wanted the Madeleine McCann case re-opened because,,,?
Cameron was unable to refuse Brooks and ordered SY to re-open the investigation at the cost of many million pounds because...?
Let's have some joined up thinking on this one please.
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: stephen25000 on August 14, 2014, 07:46:02 PM
Brooks wanted the Madeleine McCann case re-opened because,,,?
Cameron was unable to refuse Brooks and ordered SY to re-open the investigation at the cost of many million pounds because...?
Let's have some joined up thinking on this one please.
Well she requested it and he obliged her. 8)-)))
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: John on August 14, 2014, 09:59:41 PM
A gentle reminder all...please keep within the topic boundaries otherwise posts risk being removed or reassigned.
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on August 15, 2014, 10:30:02 PM
Back on topic re the thread:
I was concerned about a few things in the film and the one thing that did make me think was I hearing things was the last video where it was claimed Mr Smith was a friend of Robert Murat.
I plucked this from Nigel's site
"quote PLEASE NOTE: We have been contacted by Martin Smith who is mentioned towards the end of this programme. Mr. Smith reported seeing a man carriying a child on the night in question. Mr Smith stated the following ..."unquote
"Dear Mr. Hall,
I have just watched the 4 parts of your new film "Buried by Mainstream Media etc" which I found very interesting. I would like to point out a major inaccuracy near the end of part 4 of the film where it was stated that I was "friends with Robert Murat". This statement is untrue and I would like it corrected. I had come across Mr. Murat twice in the previous 12 months, had never been introduced to him and merely knew him by sight.
Yours sincerely,
Martin Smith".
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id232.html
Just to clarify things.
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Eleanor on August 16, 2014, 06:41:45 AM
I was concerned about a few things in the film and the one thing that did make me think was I hearing things was the last video where it was claimed Mr Smith was a friend of Robert Murat.
I plucked this from Nigel's site
"quote PLEASE NOTE: We have been contacted by Martin Smith who is mentioned towards the end of this programme. Mr. Smith reported seeing a man carriying a child on the night in question. Mr Smith stated the following ..."unquote
"Dear Mr. Hall,
I have just watched the 4 parts of your new film "Buried by Mainstream Media etc" which I found very interesting. I would like to point out a major inaccuracy near the end of part 4 of the film where it was stated that I was "friends with Robert Murat". This statement is untrue and I would like it corrected. I had come across Mr. Murat twice in the previous 12 months, had never been introduced to him and merely knew him by sight.
Yours sincerely,
Martin Smith".
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id232.html
Just to clarify things.
Thanks for that. I shall definitely watch Part 4 again.
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: VIXTE on August 17, 2014, 12:44:38 AM
First look and I'd say 'amateur' and 'foreign accent' and ' manipulative' and 'opinionated' therefore not unbiased.. .......
Edit: Watched few minutes of the first video and it makes me puke..I'd add 'speculative' and 'conspicuous' therefore not my cup of tea, *&(+(+
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: faithlilly on August 17, 2014, 12:39:06 PM
BTW I do agree though that the documentary is badly researched.
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: stephen25000 on August 17, 2014, 01:43:18 PM
As to the videos, number 4 shows very adequately what 'team mccann', Edgar and Cowley, Mitchell,etc., were up to.
i.e. 'maintaining' the abduction story, which still has no evidence, let alone forensic back-up.
So carry on dave, talking the talk.
It's not going to find Madeleine, is it ?
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 17, 2014, 02:08:12 PM
I agree with everything Redwood has said...I don't accept an anonymous post...which part of that don't you understand...who is maintaining the abduction story..you don't understand that. No one is saying Maddie was definitely abducted but on the available evidence it is the most probable reason for her disappearance
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: stephen25000 on August 17, 2014, 02:11:17 PM
I agree with everything Redwood has said...I don't accept an anonymous post...which part of that don't you understand...who is maintaining the abduction story..you don't understand that. No one is saying Maddie was definitely abducted but on the available evidence it is the most probable reason for her disappearance
The BBC article wan't rescinded.
What do you fail to understand about that ?
Do you seriously every police officer believes the mccanns story ?
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 17, 2014, 02:21:34 PM
Do you seriously every police officer believes the mccanns story ?
I understand it wasn't rescinded so does that make it true
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Alfred R Jones on August 17, 2014, 02:27:53 PM
Now, back to the video in question - it has been pronounced "poorly researched" by a leading intellectual McCann sceptic, and really I've nothing to add to that sentiment (well nothing that keeps me within the parameters of the forum rules).
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: stephen25000 on August 17, 2014, 02:40:16 PM
Now, back to the video in question - it has been pronounced "poorly researched" by a leading intellectual McCann sceptic, and really I've nothing to add to that sentiment (well nothing that keeps me within the parameters of the forum rules).
Ah good.
You recognize the idiocy in the mccann supporters.
Now pray tell, in connection with the 4 th video, and therefore with the P.I. agency/agencies, and the operations of 'team mccann', where did the maker of the video , get it wrong ?
The sheer ridiculous nature of the 'Beckham lookalike' sighting springs to mind along with the images of the potential abductors.
The last part contains a "Suggestion" that Gerry met with Robert Murat at a Golf Club prior to the disappearance of Madeleine. I would like to know what anyone thinks of that.
This for me was the moment the documentary lost all credibility and entered fantasyland. Had Gerry and Murat actually met at the Golf Club there would have been witnesses to that meeting. The very last place anyone contemplating mischief would want to be seen imo.
A coincidence too far I fear.
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Alfred R Jones on August 17, 2014, 04:08:57 PM
I have to confess I stopped watching Part 4 of "Buried By Mainstream Media" when the video maker cited at great length an article into the failings of Edgar and Cowley's investigative work in Barcelona - in the Mail on Sunday! Does the Mail on Sunday not count as Mainstream Media then?
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Brietta on August 17, 2014, 04:25:50 PM
If the video producer doesn't know what happened to Madeleine; how is it possible to entitle his oeuvre as 'The True Story ... "?
He introduced nothing new to the narrative; the 'abduction fables' have all been exceedingly well rehearsed; and as for 'exposing fake pi's' ... yawn, been done so many times before.
In fact hasn't everyone and anyone even slightly associated with the Drs McCann from the school bus driver to the twins lollipop lady been exposed to the closest scrutiny.
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Jean-Pierre on August 17, 2014, 05:04:46 PM
Well Stephen et al. I have watched the 4th part again. Good grief.
The only reason I can see for your apparently being so convinced by this chap is you are happy to believe anything which suggest the McCanns may be guilty, no matter how feebly researched.
A few examples of the authors tenuous contact with reality have already been mentioned above.
I will therefore only add a couple of points
- Alpha Investigations Group. He does not seem to be aware that an organisation can exist without being incorporated. Jesus he is as longwinded as he is ill informed.
- There was a long section concerning a letter from an "unnamed diplomat" leaked to a Belgian newspaper, suggesting that the government should be cautious about supporting the McCanns. (around 28 minutes) Apparently this only appeared in this rather obscure Belgian Newspaper. We vare told that this "explosive" and "damning" report has never been mentioned in the british press.
Now, given that the british press went through a period of being blantanly anti McCann, this is puzzling. Just the sort of thing that would sell newspapers, especially after September 2007.
The newspaper in question was Le Dernier Heure. Who apparently had a an exclusive. Why this particular newspaper, and why Belgium? Well, there is a possible connection. One of the journalists who has been very active in this case is one Duarte Levy, a Belgian freelance journalist - erstwhile squeeze of Joana Morais, a close friend of Amaral. One of the papers he freelanced for was "le Dernier Heure". Too close for comfort.
My conclusion is that this chap seems to have used the Bennett research agency.
And from his previous "work" he is of the school "if you dont accept my conclusions, based on selective reading and my very biased and poorly researched investigation, then you are in denial.
I have watched all four of his videos. Not worth even the price he is charging for them. 8(8-))
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on August 17, 2014, 05:11:44 PM
This for me was the moment the documentary lost all credibility and entered fantasyland. Had Gerry and Murat actually met at the Golf Club there would have been witnesses to that meeting. The very last place anyone contemplating mischief would want to be seen imo.
A coincidence too far I fear.
I recall seeing the actual interview and thought it very curious why Gerry did not answer with 'yes or no' to the question did he know Robert Murat.
Then for Jane Tanner to identify him as being the abductor, and the other tapas group pointing him out as being 'around' that night.
There just seems to be 'something' about this situation which makes me feel uncomfortable. Like something isn't quite right.
I do believe the documentary hit a lot of accuracies - the research was good and also the fact that someone wanted to highlight the bad media in balance of reporting which has brought shame to this isle- thanks to Messers Murdock et al. They made millions on 'Maddie story's' disgusting parasites in my opinion.
If it wasn't for the 'government connections' via the Murdoch portal- those parents would have felt the full blast of real journalists and the Social services/police would have investigated the tapas group properly. because: A woman was arrested on suspected murder, when her 3 year old daughter drowned in a pool in a private hotel last week in the UK. We don't know her financial status or her employment details, so we will see how this one pans out, and make comparisons.
Some McCann supporters wrongly accuse people of being of the same ilk as Bennett and Co. This is insulting to many of us who do not agree with some of their outrageous rantings.
I would go further to say the team McCann supporters have the same 'blind thinking' and media paranoia in the regards to Maddies predicament- what ever that is/was.
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Brietta on August 17, 2014, 05:17:22 PM
Well Stephen et al. I have watched the 4th part again. Good grief.
The only reason I can see for your apparently being so convinced by this chap is you are happy to believe anything which suggest the McCanns may be guilty, no matter how feebly researched.
A few examples of the authors tenuous contact with reality have already been mentioned above.
I will therefore only add a couple of points
- Alpha Investigations Group. He does not seem to be aware that an organisation can exist without being incorporated. Jesus he is as longwinded as he is ill informed.
- There was a long section concerning a letter from an "unnamed diplomat" leaked to a Belgian newspaper, suggesting that the government should be cautious about supporting the McCanns. (around 28 minutes) Apparently this only appeared in this rather obscure Belgian Newspaper. We vare told that this "explosive" and "damning" report has never been mentioned in the british press.
Now, given that the british press went through a period of being blantanly anti McCann, this is puzzling. Just the sort of thing that would sell newspapers, especially after September 2007.
The newspaper in question was Le Dernier Heure. Who apparently had a an exclusive. Why this particular newspaper, and why Belgium? Well, there is a possible connection. One of the journalists who has been very active in this case is one Duarte Levy, a Belgian freelance journalist - erstwhile squeeze of Joana Morais, a close friend of Amaral. One of the papers he freelanced for was "le Dernier Heure". Too close for comfort.
My conclusion is that this chap seems to have used the Bennett research agency.
And from his previous "work" he is of the school "if you dont accept my conclusions, based on selective reading and my very biased and poorly researched investigation, then you are in denial.
I have watched all four of his videos. Not worth even the price he is charging for them. 8(8-))
Well researched Jean-Pierre; Duarte Levy the 'journalist' who released the files illegally and with impunity; and he who has his name plastered all over 'interesting' videos. Wonder what happened to the 'incriminating' photographs he was going to sell to the highest bidder?
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Eleanor on August 17, 2014, 05:26:01 PM
"Alphaig" And "Alpha Investigative Group". Is there a difference? Tony Bennett seems to think so. And then pursued Arthur Cowley to some Welsh Mountain to spy on him, and to discover that, Oh My God, Arthur Cowley is a Pigeon Fancier. Well done Mr. Bennett.
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on August 17, 2014, 05:36:03 PM
Pidgeon fanciers can send messages without being traced- anyway back on track- The fact that the Investigative team were promoted at being a company of experts etc... they were just two ex police officers 'looking' for Maddie- so why not say that Tsk!
Were they paid weekly ? monthly? were they registered for VAT? Who paid them? all the nonsense talk about being transparent.. lol and lol and 'lolling' all day long..
Bennett does not own these questions, they are raised by many on different forums where Bennett and crew are not invited.
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: stephen25000 on August 17, 2014, 06:02:47 PM
Alpha Investigations Group, no record on Company Check or on Companies House.
ALPHAIG LIMITED (06929397) Company dissolved
and who are 'TURNER LITTLE COMPANY NOMINEES LIMITED' ?
Cowley and Edgar, are their whereabouts known ?
They appear to have disappeared into the ether too.
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Jean-Pierre on August 17, 2014, 06:34:36 PM
Sorry Stephen - you are not going to like this:
"In part One of the show Richard presents evidence which might corroborate some of the testimony in the documentary "UFO's and NATO". The mutilated corpses discovered and then covered up by the military on Brecon Beacon probably occurred on 20th August 1990. We are appealing for any information about a young couple that may have gone missing on that date. Tony Bennehistt is today's guest who has exposed police corruption with his incredible investigative skills. He has also campaigned for many years against allowing the power of the UK to govern itself to be transferred to European legislators. His successful efforts in thwarting government plans to convert all road signs to metric, illustrate that direct action can and does work if carried out with a good strategy and plenty of guts. More from Tony Bennett in future shows."
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Post by: stephen25000 on August 17, 2014, 06:39:05 PM
"In part One of the show Richard presents evidence which might corroborate some of the testimony in the documentary "UFO's and NATO". The mutilated corpses discovered and then covered up by the military on Brecon Beacon probably occurred on 20th August 1990. We are appealing for any information about a young couple that may have gone missing on that date. Tony Bennehistt is today's guest who has exposed police corruption with his incredible investigative skills. He has also campaigned for many years against allowing the power of the UK to govern itself to be transferred to European legislators. His successful efforts in thwarting government plans to convert all road signs to metric, illustrate that direct action can and does work if carried out with a good strategy and plenty of guts. More from Tony Bennett in future shows."
Fair enough, you have shown a link there.
Now did he liaise with Bennett, whom I have no time for, in this case ?
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Benice on August 17, 2014, 06:48:13 PM
This for me was the moment the documentary lost all credibility and entered fantasyland. Had Gerry and Murat actually met at the Golf Club there would have been witnesses to that meeting. The very last place anyone contemplating mischief would want to be seen imo.
A coincidence too far I fear.
Totally agree. As if anyone would arrange a secret meeting in such a public place. Richard Hall obviously found no witnesses at the Golf Club to back up his claim or he would have mentioned them. Although in his case he probably believes such witnesses have since been abducted by aliens - or been 'vanished' by MI6.
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on August 17, 2014, 07:14:49 PM
An Arthur John Cowley was a director of a company named Alphaig Limited. ALPHAIG LIMITED TREETOPS PANT-Y-GOF HALKYN FLINTSHIRE UK CH8 8DH Company No. 06929397 The company was incorporated on June 10th 2009 and was dissolved on 25th October 2011. Easy enough to check it. Were it "Alpha Investigations Group" it could trade as such provided it made clear on its letter headings it was in fact Alphaig Limited registered in England and Wales under Reg No whatever at Registered Address whatever. Two men would have trouble working under the same company name as sole traders. An alternative would be an Unincorporated Association but this is not a suitable structure for profit making organisations, the bank would require a written constitution before opening a bank account and banks might cut up rough if someone tried to do it for a profit making organisation. The main disadvantage of UA's is that they are not legal persons so the members are jointly and severally liable at law. Ponder on that my dears.
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: pegasus on August 18, 2014, 05:39:21 PM
Does anyone disagree with the film's claim that no real company called "Alpha Investigations" existed?
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Post by: Cudge on August 18, 2014, 09:16:43 PM
Your post that has been quoted is not far up the page if you are having problems remembering but I think you alluding that it was unlikely that the two PI's could operate a partnership for profit as well as a Limited company with the same name as it was extremely difficult I was merely pointing out it is not.
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: pegasus on August 18, 2014, 11:06:47 PM
The film claims that the company "alpha investigations" never existed. The film claims that the company "alphaig" was created only after "alpha investigations" press stuff appeared. The film claims that edgar was never an official of the company "alphaig" nor of the apparantly non-existent company "alpha investigations". I am happy to be proven wrong but as far as I can see do not these claims appear to be correct?
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: pegasus on August 18, 2014, 11:13:56 PM
Perhaps the most astonishing claim of these four films is that hundreds of recorded calls to a hotline, which was set up by the fund, and advertised on the fund website, were never even listened to, despite repeated attempts by the honest US call handling company to tell them to listen. Is there anyone here who disputes that astonishing claim?
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Bert Singe on August 18, 2014, 11:15:18 PM
Hello again.
Having now watched all 4 parts I am of the opinion that there are enough strange happenings to set the alarm bells ringing. I also don't think Hall has gone over the top with any conspiracy theory. He has just posed questions for the viewer to ponder. He has spotted smoke and subsequently searched for the fire. If there is no fire to accompany the smoke then how did Hall manage to find over 4 hours of material? Boring as it may be to some that is still a hell of a lot.
I have no idea what happened that night but there is something about the case as a whole that is odd and because of this I am suspicious of the parents. Why should I be suspicious? There is no clear evidence to convict the parents of anything and yet the suspicion remains. Why?
For me, Hall brings to the viewer's attention the fact that this case has had too much mystery from the very beginning. I dearly hope the parents have no involvement but the truth is I am left in doubt. People who have until now believed in the parents may watch this and then wonder.
Off topic but if permissible I would like to ask the following question? If you believe the parents have no involvement then have you always believed this from the very first day?
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Cudge on August 18, 2014, 11:39:33 PM
The film claims that the company "alpha investigations" never existed. The film claims that the company "alphaig" was created only after "alpha investigations" press stuff appeared. The film claims that edgar was never an official of the company "alphaig" nor of the apparantly non-existent company "alpha investigations". I am happy to be proven wrong but as far as I can see do not these claims appear to be correct?
I think the earlier suggestion was that Alpha Investigations may have existed but not as a limited company i.e a partnership hence no Alpha Investigations Limited is registered at companies house. A limited company was then subsequently incorporated Alphaig Limited which was subsequently dissolved.
So the claim that there was no Alpha Investigations Limited is correct but that does not mean there was not a partnership called Alpha Investigations that was originally engaged by The Mccanns
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Post by: pegasus on August 19, 2014, 12:11:13 AM
I think the earlier suggestion was that Alpha Investigations may have existed but not as a limited company i.e a partnership hence no Alpha Investigations Limited is registered at companies house. A limited company was then subsequently incorporated Alphaig Limited which was subsequently dissolved.
So the claim that there was no Alpha Investigations Limited is correct but that does not mean there was not a partnership called Alpha Investigations that was originally engaged by The Mccanns
Well yes a "trading as" name can be invented by any individual(s) at anytime and then technically it exists. It's interesting that, according to these films, an "alphaig" domain name was purchased some considerable time before, indicating some preparatory planning? I still think the films are correct that there was some deliberate misleading of the UK public here by whichever media manipulation expert was feeding the UK press about "alpha investigations", which the films claim did not actually exist in any real verifiable form at all at the time.
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Post by: Brietta on August 19, 2014, 12:11:51 AM
Having now watched all 4 parts I am of the opinion that there are enough strange happenings to set the alarm bells ringing. I also don't think Hall has gone over the top with any conspiracy theory. He has just posed questions for the viewer to ponder. He has spotted smoke and subsequently searched for the fire. If there is no fire to accompany the smoke then how did Hall manage to find over 4 hours of material? Boring as it may be to some that is still a hell of a lot.
I have no idea what happened that night but there is something about the case as a whole that is odd and because of this I am suspicious of the parents. Why should I be suspicious? There is no clear evidence to convict the parents of anything and yet the suspicion remains. Why?
For me, Hall brings to the viewer's attention the fact that this case has had too much mystery from the very beginning. I dearly hope the parents have no involvement but the truth is I am left in doubt. People who have until now believed in the parents may watch this and then wonder.
Off topic but if permissible I would like to ask the following question? If you believe the parents have no involvement then have you always believed this from the very first day?
I think it possible that repetition of forum myths such as repeated in these videos might have something to do with it; combined with the fact there are those who for some reason best known to themselves eagerly overturn "innocent until proven guilty" on its head.
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Post by: pegasus on August 19, 2014, 12:37:25 AM
I think it possible that repetition of forum myths such as repeated in these videos might have something to do with it; combined with the fact there are those who for some reason best known to themselves eagerly overturn "innocent until proven guilty" on its head.
But the fund's non-listening-to of hundreds of hotline calls is not a forum myth - it is stated as a fact by the owner of the honest call-handling company.
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Post by: Cudge on August 19, 2014, 12:37:47 AM
Well yes a "trading as" name can be invented by any individual(s) at anytime and then technically it exists. It's interesting that, according to these films, an "alphaig" domain name was purchased some considerable time before, indicating some preparatory planning? I still think the films are correct that there was some deliberate misleading of the UK public here by whichever media manipulation expert was feeding the UK press about "alpha investigations", which the films claim did not actually exist in any real verifiable form at all at the time.
As there is no public register of sole trader/partnerships then they would not exist in any real verifiable form to the general public. A lot of limited companies do start off as sole trader/partnerships with the decision to incorporate usually taking place as the business starts to grow
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Post by: pegasus on August 19, 2014, 01:13:07 AM
As there is no public register of sole trader/partnerships then they would not exist in any real verifiable form to the general public. A lot of limited companies do start off as sole trader/partnerships with the decision to incorporate usually taking place as the business starts to grow
Not the approach a multi-millionaire usually takes though is it?
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Post by: pegasus on August 19, 2014, 01:27:07 AM
For example one article of many, this from 26 May 2009 http://www.thisischeshire.co.uk/news/4396781.Former_town_detective_heading_up_Madeleine_hunt/ "The duo, who now run the Alpha Investigations Group" The films raise the question - did Alpha Investigations Group run by Mr E and Mr C even actually officially exist on that date, or were the UK public being mislead?
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Post by: Bert Singe on August 19, 2014, 07:08:07 AM
I think it possible that repetition of forum myths such as repeated in these videos might have something to do with it; combined with the fact there are those who for some reason best known to themselves eagerly overturn "innocent until proven guilty" on its head.
The videos do not consist of 4 hours worth of forum myth.
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Post by: Mr Gray on August 19, 2014, 07:26:56 AM
The videos do not consist of 4 hours worth of forum myth.
The overwhelming view...even from some McCann sceptics is that they do...there will always be some who believe that the british government were behind 7/7 and other barmy theories...that's just the way it is
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Post by: stephen25000 on August 19, 2014, 07:36:33 AM
The overwhelming view...even from some McCann sceptics is that they do...there will always be some who believe that the british government were behind 7/7 and other barmy theories...that's just the way it is
On these 4 videos, what mention is there of 7/7 ?
One might equally on that basis, compare it to those mccann supporters who believe Madeleine was linked to the second coming of Christ.
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Post by: Mr Gray on August 19, 2014, 07:39:38 AM
Not the approach a multi-millionaire usually takes though is it?
It may well have been the background of the PI's not the type of vehicle they were operating from that attracted Mr Kennedy to them . I assume you will have to ask him why he used a partnership (if that was the case) rather than a PLC
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Post by: Cudge on August 19, 2014, 08:01:40 AM
For example one article of many, this from 26 May 2009 http://www.thisischeshire.co.uk/news/4396781.Former_town_detective_heading_up_Madeleine_hunt/ "The duo, who now run the Alpha Investigations Group" The films raise the question - did Alpha Investigations Group run by Mr E and Mr C even actually officially exist on that date, or were the UK public being mislead?
I would say that it is not uncommon for former detectives to set themselves in the private sector the fact that in this case it was not via a limited company at that date does not actually prove that that the business itself did not exist
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Post by: Mr Gray on August 19, 2014, 08:03:33 AM
I would say that it is not uncommon for former detectives to set themselves in the private sector the fact that in this case it was not via a limited company at that date does not actually prove that that the business itself did not exist
to suggest that a business does not exist because it is not a limited company is ludicrous and shows the level of ignorance in the video.
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Post by: stephen25000 on August 19, 2014, 08:17:39 AM
Also research has revealed some interesting information about Edgar and Cowley. 8)-)))
I’m not sure how far the transparency demanded vociferously of Madeleine’s fund has been an impediment to those looking for her.
I would imagine that it would be unhelpful for a firm of PIs, the very nature of whose work involves an element of confidentiality, to be subjected to public scrutiny in the way in which the McCann employees were.
What is in the ‘public interest’ about the status of a firm of PIs?
What is the difference between retired detectives starting off in a business venture using their professional skills and a retired police officer similarly using his professional dog handling skills doing the same?
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Post by: Eleanor on August 19, 2014, 10:17:57 AM
As far as I can see Alphaig and Alpha Investigations Group was the same thing. But why is it such a mystery, and cause for such speculation? What does anyone think they were up to?
How what Edgar and Cowley called themselves can be seen as sinister is completely beyond me. We all know what they were doing.
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Post by: Jean-Pierre on August 19, 2014, 10:27:37 AM
As far as I can see Alphaig and Alpha Investigations Group was the same thing. But why is it such a mystery, and cause for such speculation? What does anyone think they were up to?
How what Edgar and Cowley called themselves can be seen as sinister is completely beyond me. We all know what they were doing.
I think it is because the 4th video made a great song and dance about this, and seemed to find it very sinister that they had a office in one of Brian Kennedy's buildings.
In the same way the Hall referred to the Centre for Crisis Psychology as "shadowy". So shadowy that they have a website and are on linkedin.
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Post by: Eleanor on August 19, 2014, 10:39:22 AM
I think it is because the 4th video made a great song and dance about this, and seemed to find it very sinister that they had a office in one of Brian Kennedy's buildings.
In the same way the Hall referred to the Centre for Crisis Psychology as "shadowy". So shadowy that they have a website and are on linkedin.
No prizes for guessing who ramped up The Alphaig Mystery many moons ago. Cowley was even stalked to Wales where he was found to be indulging in the sinister occupation of Pigeon Fancying. The photos were all over certain parts of The Net.
I only ever go to Wales to visit my sister.
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Post by: stephen25000 on August 19, 2014, 10:41:57 AM
I think it is because the 4th video made a great song and dance about this, and seemed to find it very sinister that they had a office in one of Brian Kennedy's buildings.
In the same way the Hall referred to the Centre for Crisis Psychology as "shadowy". So shadowy that they have a website and are on linkedin.
Well as Brian Kennedy seems to be the 'brains ' behind the agency as well as the finance, quite relevant.
Edgar is not on the company records, only Cowley is.
As to their respective backgrounds, what experience did they have in so called 'abduction' cases ?
Edgar was in the RUC, before 'moving' to the Manchester Police as a constable, according to certain information supplied.
Cowley spent 30 years in the Police service with one promotion.
So what was their expertise in the field of 'abduction' exactly ?
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Post by: Benice on August 19, 2014, 10:52:59 AM
I’m not sure how far the transparency demanded vociferously of Madeleine’s fund has been an impediment to those looking for her.
I would imagine that it would be unhelpful for a firm of PIs, the very nature of whose work involves an element of confidentiality, to be subjected to public scrutiny in the way in which the McCann employees were.
What is in the ‘public interest’ about the status of a firm of PIs?
What is the difference between retired detectives starting off in a business venture using their professional skills and a retired police officer similarly using his professional dog handling skills doing the same?
If the McCanns didn't want their PIs to be open to public scrutiny then they shouldn't have trumpeted their employment from every tabloid front page. It would have been relatively easy to have hired Cowley and co without the resultant fanfare whipped up by Clarence but that wouldn't have manipulated the public, who were funding the venture, into thinking they were actually 'searching' for their daughter.
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Post by: Eleanor on August 19, 2014, 11:14:15 AM
If the McCanns didn't want their PIs to be open to public scrutiny then they shouldn't have trumpeted their employment from every tabloid front page. It would have been relatively easy to have hired Cowley and co without the resultant fanfare whipped up by Clarence but that wouldn't have manipulated the public, who were funding the venture, into thinking they were actually 'searching' for their daughter.
I think you will find that Brian Kennedy was Funding this particular Venture.
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Post by: Brietta on August 19, 2014, 11:19:36 AM
If the McCanns didn't want their PIs to be open to public scrutiny then they shouldn't have trumpeted their employment from every tabloid front page. It would have been relatively easy to have hired Cowley and co without the resultant fanfare whipped up by Clarence but that wouldn't have manipulated the public, who were funding the venture, into thinking they were actually 'searching' for their daughter.
Actually, I do not think there was a penny of "public" funding going into this as Mr Kennedy seemed to be calling the shots.
As far as fanfares go ~ what comes first ~ the chicken or the egg?
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Post by: faithlilly on August 19, 2014, 11:35:22 AM
Actually, I do not think there was a penny of "public" funding going into this as Mr Kennedy seemed to be calling the shots.
As far as fanfares go ~ what comes first ~ the chicken or the egg?
Oh I think you'll find the fund accounts for that time suggest otherwise. Besides when the review was in full swing, around March 2012, the McCanns posted on the Find Madeleine website that due to the review the fund was no longer employing PIs which at that time, although Cowley seemed to have vanished into the ether, was certainly Edgar.
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Post by: Brietta on August 19, 2014, 11:51:34 AM
Oh I think you'll find the fund accounts for that time suggest otherwise. Besides when the review was in full swing, around March 2012, the McCanns posted on the Find Madeleine website that due to the review the fund was no longer employing PIs which at that time, although Cowley seemed to have vanished into the ether, was certainly Edgar.
I have no interest in forensically examining Madeleine's fund ~ although I could if I wanted to; in much the same way there are those who do not question the appeal funds set up to finance Dr Amaral ~ although they could not check them out if they wanted to as there appears to be no public accountability there.
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Post by: Alfred R Jones on August 19, 2014, 02:05:05 PM
If the McCanns didn't want their PIs to be open to public scrutiny then they shouldn't have trumpeted their employment from every tabloid front page. It would have been relatively easy to have hired Cowley and co without the resultant fanfare whipped up by Clarence but that wouldn't have manipulated the public, who were funding the venture, into thinking they were actually 'searching' for their daughter.
So, it's your view that the headlines were to dupe the public into thinking the PI's (that in your words the public were funding) were looking for Madeleine when in actual fact they were just being paid out of the fund by the McCanns - to do what, exactly?
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Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 19, 2014, 04:32:35 PM
So, it's your view that the headlines were to dupe the public into thinking the PI's (that in your words the public were funding) were looking for Madeleine when in actual fact they were just being paid out of the fund by the McCanns - to do what, exactly?
To investigate abduction & look for an abductor, thus adding weight to the abduction fantasy they created.
It worked though didn't it, even now there are still people gullible enough to believe that Madeleine was abducted, when it's obvious she wasn't. Unless the abductor happens to have a passing resemblance to Madeleine's father & he changes his victims pyjamas.
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Post by: Mr Gray on August 19, 2014, 04:41:02 PM
To investigate abduction & look for an abductor, thus adding weight to the abduction fantasy they created.
It worked though didn't it, even now there are still people gullible enough to believe that Madeleine was abducted, when it's obvious she wasn't. Unless the abductor happens to have a passing resemblance to Madeleine's father & he changes his victims pyjamas.
So you think Redwood is gullible
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Post by: ferryman on August 19, 2014, 04:47:56 PM
To investigate abduction & look for an abductor, thus adding weight to the abduction fantasy they created.
It worked though didn't it, even now there are still people gullible enough to believe that Madeleine was abducted, when it's obvious she wasn't. Unless the abductor happens to have a passing resemblance to Madeleine's father & he changes his victims pyjamas.
... even now there are still people gullible enough to believe that Madeleine was abducted, ...
Andy Redwood and his Scotland Yard team are among them.
The Portuguese prosecutors are two more who believe the same.
If only they were all as clever as you ...
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Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 19, 2014, 04:54:08 PM
... even now there are still people gullible enough to believe that Madeleine was abducted, ...
Andy Redwood and his Scotland Yard team are among them.
The Portuguese prosecutors are two more who believe the same.
If only they were all as clever as you ...
Indeed ferryman, SY are intelligent enough to know that there really is an abductor out there, who happens to look a bit like Gerry & had a similar pair of trousers to those modelled by Gerry & that he changes his victims pyjamas.
That's how clever they are...
I wish I was that clever.
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Post by: Mr Gray on August 19, 2014, 04:55:25 PM
Indeed ferryman, SY are intelligent enough to know that there really is an abductor out there, who happens to look a bit like Gerry & had a similar pair of trousers to those modelled by Gerry & that he changes his victims pyjamas.
That's how clever they are...
I wish I was that clever.
What's unusual about having buttons on trousers? I have quite a few, ranging from buttons instead of a zip, to pockets with buttons, to buttons theoretically designed to roll up and hold the bottoms to make longish bermudas and as the odd (useless) decorative element. I also have some with no buttons at all.
Is it particularly significant, do you think, months after the disappearance, for someone who was once on holiday to travel in such clothes?
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Post by: stephen25000 on August 19, 2014, 06:23:47 PM
Would anyone care to remind us of what Messrs. Edgar and Cowley found, other than in two simple letters of the alphabet ?
*&(+(+
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Post by: Alfred R Jones on August 19, 2014, 07:37:34 PM
Pray tell, what did Edgar and Cowley find, before the company was dissolved and they disappeared into never,never land ?
Point 1.
Can you quantify the statement, that Edgar and Cowley, were 'a pair of highly experienced ex-cops' ?
Point 2.
Where they experienced in 'abduction' cases ?
Or did Kennedy employ them to give the impression of a serious 'search' for Madeleine, when in fact the company was dissolved, and the two detectives returned to obscurity ?
P.S. Have you read Blacksmith's latest ?
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Post by: stephen25000 on August 19, 2014, 08:05:43 PM
Well if Kennedy was the 'brains' and the money behind the operation.
Then he was responsible for what they did.
Now was he the one who pulled the plug on Alphaig, I wonder ?
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Post by: pathfinder73 on August 20, 2014, 01:01:03 AM
LP were a disgrace no wonder Amaral put a man close to Bob Small.
Gaspar statement given 2 weeks after the disappearance - it didn't arrive in Portugal until after Amaral was removed.
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Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 20, 2014, 06:34:37 AM
Cowley & Edgar did a great job though didn't they, focusing on the Tanner sighting which really was the most likely sighting wasn't it. Not like that old Smithman nonsense that SY are now interested in.
Strange how, when Oakley advised that they release the Smithman e-fits, they didn't.
I wonder why that might be?
I see them e-fits still don't appear on the find Madeleine website, Tannerman is still there though.
They really did leave no stone unturned in the search for their missing daughter, didn't they.
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Post by: stephen25000 on August 20, 2014, 07:10:37 AM
Back to the video, there are clear IRREGULARITIES with the setting up of a PI team, when a bit of research will find numerous P.I. Agencies in the UK, and by the look of it, they do look for missing/abducted people.
Why start one with people Kennedy selected, when plenty already existed, no doubt employing ex-police officers as well.
Then of course why was Alphaig closed down, barely a year after it was 'opened' ?
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Post by: Benice on August 20, 2014, 08:09:45 AM
Back to the video, there are clear IRREGULARITIES with the setting up of a PI team, when a bit of research will find numerous P.I. Agencies in the UK, and by the look of it, they do look for missing/abducted people.
Why start one with people Kennedy selected, when plenty already existed, no doubt employing ex-police officers as well.
Then of course why was Alphaig closed down, barely a year after it was 'opened' ?
So what is this conspiracy you keep hinting at? What was the reason for all this convoluted activity with different companies/PI's/ex-policemen - which was undertaken so secretly that apparently anyone can find out about it with a bit of research on the www?
What was the end result they were aiming for in your opinion?
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Post by: stephen25000 on August 20, 2014, 08:30:58 AM
So what is this conspiracy you keep hinting at? What was the reason for all this convoluted activity with different companies/PI's/ex-policemen - which was undertaken so secretly that apparently anyone can find out about it with a bit of research on the www?
What was the end result they were aiming for in your opinion?
You're asking me why Kennedy manufactured a detective agency, when a plethora of them already existed, more than capable of performing certain services, including 'abduction' cases.
You tell me why Kennedy needed to do it on behalf of the mccanns..
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Post by: Benice on August 20, 2014, 08:35:43 AM
You're asking me why Kennedy manufactured a detective agency, when a plethora of them already existed, more than capable of performing certain services, including 'abduction' cases.
You tell me why Kennedy needed to do it on behalf of the mccanns..
But that is what I am asking you Stephen. What was Kennedy really up to in your opinion?
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Post by: stephen25000 on August 20, 2014, 08:40:11 AM
But that is what I am asking you Stephen. What was Kennedy really up to in your opinion?
Well, as his actions lack logic and coherence in setting up a private investigation agency which wasn't required, I don't know, unless of course, he wished to 'control', who and what was investigated, on behalf of the mccanns.
Then perhaps an examination of Mitchell, who clearly 'liaised' with Edgar and Cowley would be appropriate.
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Post by: Benice on August 20, 2014, 08:58:57 AM
Well, as his actions lack logic and coherence in setting up a private investigation agency which wasn't required, I don't know, unless of course, he wished to 'control', who and what was investigated, on behalf of the mccanns.
Then perhaps an examination of Mitchell, who clearly 'liaised' with Edgar and Cowley would be appropriate.
So you don't really know then. Neither do I.
IMO unless one can see some clear personal advantage to a a person's decision to take one certain path instead of another one - then one has to assume there is nothing sinister about it.
As the McCanns apparently already had the power to control the media, government officials , agencies etc. then surely they didn't need to employ any outside help.
As you have seen all the videos, could you say what Richard Hall's conspiracy theory was - re the employment of PI's and Kennedy's involvement please?
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Post by: stephen25000 on August 20, 2014, 09:10:50 AM
IMO unless one can see some clear personal advantage to a a person's decision to take one certain path instead of another one - then one has to assume there is nothing sinister about it.
As the McCanns apparently already had the power to control the media, government officials , agencies etc. then surely they didn't need to employ any outside help.
As you have seen all the videos, could you say what Richard Hall's conspiracy theory was - re the employment of PI's and Kennedy's involvement please?
Actually, I haven't seen all 4 videos.
The fourth one is of interest.
As to media control, look up the actions of Carter-Ruck in this case, and the threat of libel action, which to put it mildly has put off the press running stories, but you know that.
When did you last see an interview with the mccanns when they were asked questions beyond the parameters of the Mitchell PR mchine ?
We have seen such 'events' in Portugal, where the press do ask questions avoided in the UK and the subsequent raising of the hackles of the mccanns.
Have you ever asked yourself why many people don't believe the mccanns story ?
Similarly, do you really believe all members of the UK Police force believe their story either ?
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Post by: Benice on August 20, 2014, 09:23:52 AM
As to media control, look up the actions of Carter-Ruck in this case, and the threat of libel action, which to put it mildly has put off the press running stories, but you know that.
When did you last see an interview with the mccanns when they were asked questions beyond the parameters of the Mitchell PR mchine ?
We have seen such 'events' in Portugal, where the press do ask questions avoided in the UK and the subsequent raising of the hackles of the mccanns.
Have you ever asked yourself why many people don't believe the mccanns story ?
Similarly, do you really believe all members of the UK Police force believe their story either ?
Sorry Stephen I got the impression (as you were asking others to confirm whether or not they had watched the videos) - that you had in fact watched them all yourself.
So can I take it you don't know what Richard Hall's conspiracy theory re Kennedy's involvement was? Fair enough - neither do I. Maybe someone else can enlighten us.
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Post by: Alfred R Jones on August 20, 2014, 10:11:40 AM
Hall's video doesn't really draw any conclusions apart from "we're being kept in the dark by the mainstream media" (despite the fact that much of his source material IS the mainstream media itself). In short, it's barely worth the 0s and 1s that have gone into its making.
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Post by: Alfred R Jones on August 20, 2014, 10:17:03 AM
One of the defining characteristics of ALL conspiracy theories is that there has been a major cover up usually involving the "high-ups", for reasons that are mostly too unfathomable for mere mortals to get their heads around. Of course, the more seasoned [ censored word ] will be bold enough to venture a motive, the rest are happy just to go along with whatever nonsense they are being fed by people like Hall without really, really thinking about it. It's quite tedious really, and oftentimes extremely offensive as per: Lee Rigby, Sandy Hook, 9/11 and this case etc
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Post by: Alfred R Jones on August 20, 2014, 10:20:48 AM
If the author of blogs regarding Madeleine McCann as the Second Coming have been withdrawn one can only hope that it's because their author has finally seen sense and realised that this sort of thing is a wholly unnecessarry and inappropriate distraction from the case itself.
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Post by: Eleanor on August 20, 2014, 12:53:31 PM
But what do we think of The Videos? That is the question.
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Post by: faithlilly on August 20, 2014, 12:56:38 PM
My thoughts exactly. A bit of a pity really. I spent four hours last Sunday morning waiting for a revelation. But it was raining, so no harm done. But I can't help wondering why he did it.
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Post by: Alfred R Jones on August 20, 2014, 01:04:52 PM
May one inquire then as to why you saw fit to bring them to this forum's attention by starting a thread about them, which you kicked off with the words "interesting video"?
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Eleanor on August 20, 2014, 01:09:20 PM
May one inquire then as to why you saw fit to bring them to this forum's attention by starting a thread about them, which you kicked off with the words "interesting video"?
Well, they are interesting, even if only in their entire lack of content. You can't blame Faithlily for that. And let's face it, we did all want to talk about them.
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Alfred R Jones on August 20, 2014, 01:15:56 PM
Well, they are interesting, even if only in their entire lack of content. You can't blame Faithlily for that. And let's face it, we did all want to talk about them.
I thought they were the opposite of interesting myself, apart from as objects of ridicule I suppose.
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: faithlilly on August 20, 2014, 01:40:45 PM
If you are paying for the PIs you can control the information coming in and also what is going out, as the McCanns did with the Oakley report. Also by hiring detectives it gives veracity to their claim of a search.
Ah you say but had the detectives found any evidence of wrongdoing by the McCanns wouldn't they be duty found to pass it to the police. We'll you would have thought so, wouldn't you but that's not what happened. The Oakley report certainly flagged up cause for concern in the tapas statements but due to the confidentiality clause they had signed the PIs were unable to divulge any of their findings to anyone outside the fund.
And no the report wasn't written by anyone who appeared at the trial.
Your turn !
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Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Alfred R Jones on August 20, 2014, 01:44:09 PM
If you are paying for the PIs you can control the information coming in and also what is going out, as the McCanns did with the Oakley report. Also by hiring detectives it gives veracity to their claim of a search.
Ah you say but had the detectives found any evidence of wrongdoing by the McCanns wouldn't they be duty found to pass it to the police. We'll you would have thought so, wouldn't you but that's not what happened. The Oakley report certainly flagged up cause for concern in the tapas statements but due to the confidentiality clause they had signed the PIs were unable to divulge any of their findings to anyone outside the fund.
And no the report wasn't written by anyone who appeared at the trial.
Your turn !
We've had this discussion before I fear. No confidentiality clause is worth the paper it's written on if information discovered about a criminal act is witheld from the police. Over to you.
ETA: the above was written in haste and should have said: no confidentiality clause is worth the paper it's written on if the information unearthed is evidence of a crime having been perpetrated, in fact witholding that information would be a crime in itself, and so over to you now.
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 20, 2014, 02:56:58 PM
I haven't watched all the docu's, so I wouldn't know what he thinks.
I got 10 minutes into the first one & couldn't be bothered with the rest.
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Eleanor on August 20, 2014, 03:19:05 PM
Thanks for that admission. I very much doubt that you are alone. But you certainly didn't miss much.
His accent was a bit of a turn off for me.
Can't stand accents that are north of the M25 myself.
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Alfred R Jones on August 20, 2014, 04:15:41 PM
Any information which sheds new light on the possible involvement of the McCanns in their daughter's disappearance is a matter for the police and it is illegal to withhold such information, unless you're saying that no such information was discovered, in which case quelle surprise.
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Eleanor on August 20, 2014, 04:23:14 PM
Any information which sheds new light on the possible involvement of the McCanns in their daughter's disappearance is a matter for the police and it is illegal to withhold such information, unless you're saying that no such information was discovered, in which case quelle surprise.
People are allowed to have doubts and suspicion based on witnessing peculiar behaviour are they not? Possessing evidence is another matter entirely.
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Alfred R Jones on August 20, 2014, 06:30:32 PM
And if those same detectives produced a report which was hyper-critical of you and your friends and questioned your timelines of that night, which never saw the light of day, you'd do this because.........?
Never saw the light of day? Let's see. The efits were produced a year after the Smiths gave their initial statements to the PJ.
The efits were in the possession of British and Portuguese police by October 2009.
Scotland Yard chose the moment of the crimewatch programme to unveil the efits publicly.
Even if they were in a position to (which I'm far from sure they were) should the McCanns have gainsaid the police by releasing those efits before the police, even though the police had them in their possession?
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Bert Singe on August 20, 2014, 06:52:25 PM
Is this what was in the Oakley Report then? What peculiar behaviour in particular did the Oakley Report highlight then?
Alfred, based on first impressions I suspect you reside on this forum to primarily antagonise posters whom hold an alternative viewpoint. Why else ask a question that cannot possibly be answered by myself? The content of the report is confidential. My input was as touched upon earlier, speculation. Am I only permitted to comment on this forum if I state fact?
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Alfred R Jones on August 20, 2014, 07:22:36 PM
Alfred, based on first impressions I suspect you reside on this forum to primarily antagonise posters whom hold an alternative viewpoint. Why else ask a question that cannot possibly be answered by myself? The content of the report is confidential. My input was as touched upon earlier, speculation. Am I only permitted to comment on this forum if I state fact?
Well I do think speculation is frowned upon so if you could stick to the facts that would probably be advisable. One fact I do know is that the Met have the Oakley Report in their possession and yet they still haven't arrested the McCanns - indeed they have gone so far as to rule them out as suspects. Of course this is an inconvenient truth that "sceptics" prefer to read a double-meaning into, as is their wont.
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: stephen25000 on August 20, 2014, 07:26:16 PM
So has anyone got any feedback on the 'investigative' achievements of Edgar and Cowley ? &%+((£
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: ferryman on August 20, 2014, 07:35:38 PM
The most notable achievement of the PJ investigation was to establish the innocence of the McCanns and their friends.
Alas, it made no progress in tracking down the perpetrators of crime(s) against Madeleine.
The jury is still out on the follow-up investigation.
It appears from the evidence that they were put together as a team by Everest magnate Kennedy well before the Alphaig Company was formed. My question is why bother to form a company at all?
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McC
Post by: pegasus on August 20, 2014, 09:55:21 PM
It appears from the evidence that they were put together as a team by Everest magnate Kennedy well before the Alphaig Company was formed. My question is why bother to form a company at all?
One can trace the use of this team back to at least the date of the internet domain name registration, as documented in the films. As for why form a limited company at all - I am far from expert on these things - but isn't that the normal way a serious big businessman would set up a business - as a limited company? I think it has advantages for example it limits the personal liability of the individuals (or individual singular according to the films) who own it
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: stephen25000 on August 21, 2014, 08:04:22 AM
What was the point of Alphaig/A.I.G. being set up ?
It wasn't needed when there was already a plethora of P.I. agencies, who could have dealt with the 'investigation'.
...and then of course, why was it closed down after such a short existence ?
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 21, 2014, 08:17:48 AM
And that may be (in part) why the PJ made a poor job of investigating Madeleine's disappearance.
You are assuming an abduction.
Now where is the concise and quantitative evidence of that please ?
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Benice on August 21, 2014, 10:11:47 AM
I assume the McCanns wanted people on board who could concentrate exclusively on their case. Surely PI Agencies would have more than one client at a time? They would also need to be as confident as possible that the people employed were completely trustworthy - especially from a 'confidentiality' point of view. With that in mind - sticking a pin in Yellow Pages - would not seem to be very wise IMO.
I have no idea why Alphaig was closed down, but until someone can come up with a credible reason why this should be regarded as 'suspicious' - then it's irrelevant IMO.
TBH - I'm still not absolutely sure what the point is you are making Stephen . Are you claiming that they were willing participants in a conspiracy?
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: stephen25000 on August 21, 2014, 10:20:34 AM
I assume the McCanns wanted people on board who could concentrate exclusively on their case. Surely PI Agencies would have more than one client at a time? They would also need to be as confident as possible that the people employed were completely trustworthy - especially from a 'confidentiality' point of view. With that in mind - sticking a pin in Yellow Pages - would not seem to be very wise IMO.
I have no idea why Alphaig was closed down, but until someone can come up with a credible reason why this should be regarded as 'suspicious' - then it's irrelevant IMO.
TBH - I'm still not absolutely sure what the point is you are making Stephen . Are you claiming that they were willing participants in a conspiracy?
Alphaig was manufactured.
Very clear cut, and then it disappeared into the ether, as have apparently Edgar and Cowley.
Logically, you would search for agencies who have carried out work in this area, and had experience in the field, and who once assigned to the case, would get on with it.
Now clearly Alphaig were 'manufactured' by Kennedy, and clearly achieved zip.
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 21, 2014, 10:27:41 AM
Sorry dave, it operates on an international basis as well as in the UK.
Now why was a specialist agency needed dave ?
and what experience did that pair have ?
Try responding with reason and logic please.
so again the best you can come up with for a british child abducted in Portugal is a firm based in California. it shows how difficult it was to find a firm. That's probably why the McCanns turned to expolicemen.
I don't expect anyone who thinks those videos have any credibility to agree. I don't see anything suspicious
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: stephen25000 on August 21, 2014, 10:35:23 AM
so again the best you can come up with for a british child abducted in Portugal is a firm based in California. it shows how difficult it was to find a firm. That's probably why the McCanns turned to expolicemen.
I don't expect anyone who thinks those videos have any credibility to agree. I don't see anything suspicious
There are many other firms dave who are private investigators.
Now why aren't you answering my questions dave ?
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Benice on August 21, 2014, 11:00:04 AM
Very clear cut, and then it disappeared into the ether, as have apparently Edgar and Cowley.
Logically, you would search for agencies who have carried out work in this area, and had experience in the field, and who once assigned to the case, would get on with it.
Now clearly Alphaig were 'manufactured' by Kennedy, and clearly achieved zip.
Pure speculaton on my part - as I don't profess to know much about this 'area' of the case - but could it be that the 2 Detectives formed a company simply because rather than get into the realms of PAYE, Nat Ins. Holiday entitlement etc etc (which the Fund would have to get involved in if they were employed directly as individuals) - as a self-employed partnership/company (whateva) ' they would just have to submit an invoice for payment - full stop. So maybe it was just for expediency and to keep the costs of the fund down? Who knows?
Edgar and Cowley have not 'disappeared', they have been 'stood down' for the time being to prevent the possibility of confusion or duplication whilst the SY investigation proceeds. All their files were passed on to SY - as I'm sure you know. So nothing sinister there - despite your efforts to suggest otherwise.
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 21, 2014, 11:10:20 AM
Very clear cut, and then it disappeared into the ether, as have apparently Edgar and Cowley.
Logically, you would search for agencies who have carried out work in this area, and had experience in the field, and who once assigned to the case, would get on with it.
Now clearly Alphaig were 'manufactured' by Kennedy, and clearly achieved zip.
you have not been able to find a firm with experience in this area...they do not exist because normally they are not needed as the police are competent....a
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Brietta on August 21, 2014, 11:28:21 AM
Pure speculaton on my part - as I don't profess to know much about this 'area' of the case - but could it be that the 2 Detectives formed a company simply because rather than get into the realms of PAYE, Nat Ins. Holiday entitlement etc etc (which the Fund would have to get involved in if they were employed directly as individuals) - as a self-employed partnership/company (whateva) ' they would just have to submit an invoice for payment - full stop. So maybe it was just for expediency and to keep the costs of the fund down? Who knows?
Edgar and Cowley have not 'disappeared', they have been 'stood down' for the time being to prevent the possibility of confusion or duplication whilst the SY investigation proceeds. All their files were passed on to SY - as I'm sure you know. So nothing sinister there - despite your efforts to suggest otherwise.
If the work carried out by the private investigators paid for by Madeleine's fund was as ineffective as some suggest ~ why on earth are NSY incorporating some of it into their investigation?
Quote from DCI Redwood's Panorama interview - He says that one big advantage that Operation Grange has is that for the first time it has access to all of the available evidence - and has it all in the one place.
“We are drawing together information from three separate sources,” says DCI Redwood. “The legal enforcement bodies within Portugal, the UK enforcement agencies of which the police are the main part, and also and unusually the private investigation world which as we know is an element that was used by Mr and Mrs McCann in the search for their daughter."
Pressed on why he thinks this is unique, DCI Redwood answers: “Because at no time before have those three elements been drawn together in one place. And so what we’ve done over the past number of months is to bring to one place all those pieces of the jigsaw.” http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/latestnews/2012/panorama-maddie.html
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: jassi on August 21, 2014, 11:33:03 AM
I notice that in that BBC interview, Redwood talks about information, not evidence.
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Brietta on August 21, 2014, 02:13:11 PM
The message I'm getting is that whatever the opinion held, nobody seems to be too impressed by anything about the 'new' documentary; four hours of it and we can only seem to get animated about the status of two PIs.
Won't be too long now 'till the new book will be on the shelves, that will probably be worth discussion: that or some more news from the investigation.
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Angelo222 on August 21, 2014, 03:31:45 PM
Re stranger abductions, they are like hens teeth. If you look at the link on this very forum showing what British children are currently missing you will see that they have been abducted by a parent.
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on August 21, 2014, 05:41:31 PM
Re stranger abductions, they are like hens teeth. If you look at the link on this very forum showing what British children are currently missing you will see that they have been abducted by a parent.
Ah but good sir that in is the UK. In Portugal absolutely everything is different and subject to different laws (in the wider sense of the word). I know that to be true because I read it on that very same forum.
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 21, 2014, 06:40:43 PM
Re stranger abductions, they are like hens teeth. If you look at the link on this very forum showing what British children are currently missing you will see that they have been abducted by a parent.
The link on the forum probably does not have ONE stranger abduction on there..they are all teenage runaways or parental abductions....you need to look again...stranger abduction of young children are extremely rare...FACT
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: stephen25000 on August 21, 2014, 06:45:43 PM
The link on the forum probably does not have ONE stranger abduction on there..they are all teenage runaways or parental abductions....you need to look again...stranger abduction of young children are extremely rare...FACT
So what ?
Need I remind you dave, it is still 'unknown' how Madeleine disappeared.
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on August 21, 2014, 10:50:15 PM
So Redwood is giving credibility to the work of the PIs...what more do posters need
Redwood says: "drawing together information from three separate sources" Davel reads and infers: "We are giving credibility to the work of the PIs" Is there any evidence that NSY are following leads generated uniquely by the PI's ?
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 21, 2014, 11:03:21 PM
Redwood says: "drawing together information from three separate sources" Davel reads and infers: "We are giving credibility to the work of the PIs" Is there any evidence that NSY are following leads generated uniquely by the PI's ?
there is evidence that SY are giving credibility to the PI information by the fact that they have mentioned three sources... I can see how much this bothers you and you try desperately to limit damage to your core beliefs..but SY did not HAVE to mention the PIs...but they have...and by doing so they have given them credibility
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Alfred R Jones on August 21, 2014, 11:04:17 PM
Redwood says: "drawing together information from three separate sources" Davel reads and infers: "We are giving credibility to the work of the PIs" Is there any evidence that NSY are following leads generated uniquely by the PI's ?
If the work of the PIs was not credible why on earth would Redwood be drawing on their information?
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Brietta on August 21, 2014, 11:05:17 PM
Redwood says: "drawing together information from three separate sources" Davel reads and infers: "We are giving credibility to the work of the PIs" Is there any evidence that NSY are following leads generated uniquely by the PI's ?
“We are drawing together information from three separate sources,” says DCI Redwood. “The legal enforcement bodies within Portugal, the UK enforcement agencies of which the police are the main part, and also and unusually the private investigation world which as we know is an element that was used by Mr and Mrs McCann in the search for their daughter."http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/latestnews/2012/panorama-maddie.html
The same weight is being given to information from Portuguese cops as is being given to information from the Brits as is being given to the information from private investigators. No leads are being followed in isolation to the exclusion of the other two sources and it would be the height of stupidity to do so.
No doubt that added to those three original sources will now be fresh leads compiled from the CW appeals.
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Benice on August 22, 2014, 08:36:54 AM
Well Benice, you answer my last question and then I will answer yours.
If Madeleine did die in the apartment then I believe it was at the hands of a stranger - who then removed the body.
However, would you agree that because no clear forensic evidence of an abductor was retrieved by PJ officers - that is not proof that it never existed?
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: stephen25000 on August 22, 2014, 08:54:31 AM
If Madeleine did die in the apartment then I believe it was at the hands of a stranger - who then removed the body.
However, would you agree that because no clear forensic evidence of an abductor was retrieved by PJ officers - that is not proof that it never existed?
A lack of evidence does not preclude several possibilities.
What makes you believe the abduction story Benice ?
I will give some of my reasons later after work why I don't.
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Benice on August 22, 2014, 05:35:11 PM
A lack of evidence does not preclude several possibilities.
What makes you believe the abduction story Benice ?
I will give some of my reasons later after work why I don't.
Would you agree that just because clear evidence was not found - that does not preclude the possibility that evidence of an abductor may have existed - but could have been missed by the PJ officers, or was simply not retrievable as a result of traffic through 5A before the forensics team arrived?
A simple yes or no would suffice.
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: stephen25000 on August 22, 2014, 05:52:08 PM
Would you agree that just because clear evidence was not found - that does not preclude the possibility that evidence of an abductor may have existed - but could have been missed by the PJ officers, or was simply not retrievable as a result of traffic through 5A before the forensics team arrived?
A simple yes or no would suffice.
Unfortunately, it's not as simple as a yes or no, but you know that, as you want to try and trap me into stating abduction is the likelt scenario, but NOTHING I have seen to date will convince me of that.
Now what do you precisely mean by clear evidence in this context ?
Fingerprints ?
The only ones identified were kate mccanns.
We only have the mccanns word the apartment was locked. They changed the story on that one as well.
The damaged crime scene, clearly contaminated by the mccanns and associates rummaging through the apartment ?
There in lies another question, if the mccanns believed Madeleine was abducted, why were they searching the apartment ?
Unless of course, that became part of the 'story' later.
It doesn't make any sense.
The un-slept in bed ?
Why an 'abductor', why not more than one ?
Why take Madeleine, when her sister was younger and easier to carry ?
lastly for now, the dogs indications, after watching three programs today showing dogs at work, what I have seen of Grime's deployment of Eddie and Keela is par for the course, and watching a video of it and nit-picking which several posters on here and elsewhere are notorious for, is no substitute for being on the crime scene.
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 22, 2014, 06:27:15 PM
Unfortunately, it's not as simple as a yes or no, but you know that, as you want to try and trap me into stating abduction is the likelt scenario, but NOTHING I have seen to date will convince me of that.
Now what do you precisely mean by clear evidence in this context ?
Fingerprints ?
The only ones identified were kate mccanns.
We only have the mccanns word the apartment was locked. They changed the story on that one as well.
The damaged crime scene, clearly contaminated by the mccanns and associates rummaging through the apartment ?
There in lies another question, if the mccanns believed Madeleine was abducted, why were they searching the apartment ?
Unless of course, that became part of the 'story' later.
It doesn't make any sense.
The un-slept in bed ?
Why an 'abductor', why not more than one ?
Why take Madeleine, when her sister was younger and easier to carry ?
lastly for now, the dogs indications, after watching three programs today showing dogs at work, what I have seen of Grime's deployment of Eddie and Keela is par for the course, and watching a video of it and nit-picking which several posters on here and elsewhere are notorious for, is no substitute for being on the crime scene.
because they were not 100% sure...the answers are so easy and obvious
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: John on August 22, 2014, 06:28:42 PM
Has anyone considered why Hall introduced the speculation at the end suggesting that phone records somehow proved a meeting between Gerry and Robert when logic tells us that a meeting in a public place would be the very last thing that anyone would do had they been somehow involved? After sitting through four hours of mostly boring repetition I found this quite bizarre. Why ruin a reasonably well put together documentary by inserting something which was quite ridiculous and frankly too stupid a proposition for words? &%+((£
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: stephen25000 on August 22, 2014, 06:28:58 PM
Has anyone considered why Hall introduced the speculation at the end suggesting that phone records somehow proved a meeting between Gerry and Robert when logic tells us that a meeting in a public place would be the very last thing that anyone would do had they been somehow involved? After sitting through four hours of mostly boring repetition I found this quite bizarre. Why ruin a documentary by inserting something which was quite ridiculous? &%+((£
Possibly.
However, one point which has never b een truly dealt with.
mccann was asked very simply if he knew Murat, and he avoided answering the question.
All he had to do was say 'yes' or 'no'.
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Post by: John on August 22, 2014, 06:36:34 PM
However, one point which has never b een truly dealt with.
mccann was asked very simply if he knew Murat, and he avoided answering the question.
All he had to do was say 'yes' or 'no'.
That particular incident suggested to me that they did have an encounter somewhere but for some reason couldn't deny it in case it came back to bite. I agree...very odd!
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Post by: Eleanor on August 22, 2014, 06:37:57 PM
Has anyone considered why Hall introduced the speculation at the end suggesting that phone records somehow proved a meeting between Gerry and Robert when logic tells us that a meeting in a public place would be the very last thing that anyone would do had they been somehow involved? After sitting through four hours of mostly boring repetition I found this quite bizarre. Why ruin a reasonably well put together documentary by inserting something which was quite ridiculous and frankly too stupid a proposition for words? &%+((£
I think this suggestion deserves some speculation. Where abouts at The Golf Club could they have met? It certainly won't have been at the nineteenth hole. Which is all I know about golf clubs, apart from a third iron. Perhaps it was in a bunker.
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on August 22, 2014, 07:51:25 PM
Has anyone considered why Hall introduced the speculation at the end suggesting that phone records somehow proved a meeting between Gerry and Robert when logic tells us that a meeting in a public place would be the very last thing that anyone would do had they been somehow involved? After sitting through four hours of mostly boring repetition I found this quite bizarre. Why ruin a reasonably well put together documentary by inserting something which was quite ridiculous and frankly too stupid a proposition for words? &%+((£
I agree John. There are quite few 'Bennett' thinking's going on in that Docu...
The suggestion that Mr Smith was also 'friends' with Murat was strange-thankfully Mr Smith contacted Hall and let him know.
The documentary did expose a lot of the in-consistences, and the Government involvement ( not mentioning the Brooks and Sun newspaper money spinner angle, but more hinting at a conspiracy), Although, there may be some innocence in that direction,naivety perhaps, in so far as they did not understand the newspapers power over the Government-as they claim it is they- the newspapers, who sway a nation to vote one way of the other- and this story, and consequent stories kept the newspapers selling... In other words it was greed and power by the newspapers who involved the Prime ministers. Hence why they needed a professional media 'spin doctor'.
Could the McCANNS now come clean and admit to anything, well, no-not really it is too late now- they would bring the government-and roopurt into the wrath of the public. They can't afford such a scandal.
So it's high ho- High Ho it's abductor story we go...
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Brietta on August 22, 2014, 08:54:13 PM
I agree John. There are quite few 'Bennett' thinking's going on in that Docu...
The suggestion that Mr Smith was also 'friends' with Murat was strange-thankfully Mr Smith contacted Hall and let him know.
The documentary did expose a lot of the in-consistences, and the Government involvement ( not mentioning the Brooks and Sun newspaper money spinner angle, but more hinting at a conspiracy), Although, there may be some innocence in that direction,naivety perhaps, in so far as they did not understand the newspapers power over the Government-as they claim it is they- the newspapers, who sway a nation to vote one way of the other- and this story, and consequent stories kept the newspapers selling... In other words it was greed and power by the newspapers who involved the Prime ministers. Hence why they needed a professional media 'spin doctor'.
Could the McCANNS now come clean and admit to anything, well, no-not really it is too late now- they would bring the government-and roopurt into the wrath of the public. They can't afford such a scandal.
So it's high ho- High Ho it's abductor story we go...
Martin Smith has maintained a discrete silence and has defended all intrusions into his privacy with some vigour over the past seven years; probably a good idea for a witness who might still be called to give evidence in the case of a missing child.
I believe there may be some vigorous debate ongoing as to the origins and provenance of the said Gmail missive; wonder why that might be?
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Post by: ferryman on August 22, 2014, 09:17:39 PM
I agree John. There are quite few 'Bennett' thinking's going on in that Docu...
The suggestion that Mr Smith was also 'friends' with Murat was strange-thankfully Mr Smith contacted Hall and let him know.
The documentary did expose a lot of the in-consistences, and the Government involvement ( not mentioning the Brooks and Sun newspaper money spinner angle, but more hinting at a conspiracy), Although, there may be some innocence in that direction,naivety perhaps, in so far as they did not understand the newspapers power over the Government-as they claim it is they- the newspapers, who sway a nation to vote one way of the other- and this story, and consequent stories kept the newspapers selling... In other words it was greed and power by the newspapers who involved the Prime ministers. Hence why they needed a professional media 'spin doctor'.
Could the McCANNS now come clean and admit to anything, well, no-not really it is too late now- they would bring the government-and roopurt into the wrath of the public. They can't afford such a scandal.
So it's high ho- High Ho it's abductor story we go...
The notion that Mr Smith was 'friends' with Murat seems to have its origins in what we read (at least on-line) from the files.
Here is the relevant part:
— Adds that in May and August of 2006, he [Martin Smith] saw ROBERT MURAT in Praia da Luz bars. On one of these occasions, the first, he was inebriated and spoke to everyone. He did not wear glasses at that time. He also states that the individual who carried the child was not ROBERT. He would have recognised him immediately.
August of 2006 is almost a year before the events in question.
Interestingly, there is a verbatim quote from Murat's lawyer Pagarete, stating that someone (and he appears to be referring to Martin Smith) contradicted Murat's alibi that he spent the evening May 3rd with his mother by stating that he (this person Pagarete referred to) saw Murat drinking in a bar that evening (May 3rd).
But nothing we read on line appears to corroborate that and the closest (to corroboration!) seems to be Martin Smith's statement.
Most odd ...
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Post by: Miss Taken Identity on August 22, 2014, 09:19:12 PM
Correction from Martin Smith RichPlanet
14 August 2014
PLEASE NOTE: We have been contacted by Martin Smith who is mentioned towards the end of this programme. Mr. Smith reported seeing a man carriying a child on the night in question. Mr Smith stated the following ...
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Dear Mr. Hall,
I have just watched the 4 parts of your new film "Buried by Mainstream Media etc" which I found very interesting. I would like to point out a major inaccuracy near the end of part 4 of the film where it was stated that I was "friends with Robert Murat". This statement is untrue and I would like it corrected. I had come across Mr. Murat twice in the previous 12 months, had never been introduced to him and merely knew him by sight.
Yours sincerely,
Martin Smith.
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id232.html
I was referring to this.
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Post by: Mr Gray on August 22, 2014, 09:24:54 PM
PLEASE NOTE: We have been contacted by Martin Smith who is mentioned towards the end of this programme. Mr. Smith reported seeing a man carriying a child on the night in question. Mr Smith stated the following ...
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Dear Mr. Hall,
I have just watched the 4 parts of your new film "Buried by Mainstream Media etc" which I found very interesting. I would like to point out a major inaccuracy near the end of part 4 of the film where it was stated that I was "friends with Robert Murat". This statement is untrue and I would like it corrected. I had come across Mr. Murat twice in the previous 12 months, had never been introduced to him and merely knew him by sight.
Yours sincerely,
Martin Smith.
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id232.html
I was referring to this.
As no one on this site has managed to watch all four parts due to total boredom I do not think Mr Smith has and this email is fake
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Post by: Eleanor on August 22, 2014, 09:30:23 PM
PLEASE NOTE: We have been contacted by Martin Smith who is mentioned towards the end of this programme. Mr. Smith reported seeing a man carriying a child on the night in question. Mr Smith stated the following ...
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Dear Mr. Hall,
I have just watched the 4 parts of your new film "Buried by Mainstream Media etc" which I found very interesting. I would like to point out a major inaccuracy near the end of part 4 of the film where it was stated that I was "friends with Robert Murat". This statement is untrue and I would like it corrected. I had come across Mr. Murat twice in the previous 12 months, had never been introduced to him and merely knew him by sight.
Yours sincerely,
Martin Smith.
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id232.html
I was referring to this.
Christobell might have written that Email. Or so they say. But it seems highly unlikely that Mr. Smith would have communicated with Richard Hall, seeing as how Mr. Smith could be a witness in an abduction trial.
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Post by: ferryman on August 22, 2014, 09:36:12 PM
Christobell might have written that Email. Or so they say. But it seems highly unlikely that Mr. Smith would have communicated with Richard Hall, seeing as how Mr. Smith could be a witness in an abduction trial.
They'll sack you as moderator for saying things like that ...
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Post by: Eleanor on August 22, 2014, 09:36:50 PM
As no one on this site has managed to watch all four parts due to total boredom I do not think Mr Smith has and this email is fake
Excuse me. I watched all four parts last Sunday morning. But it was raining. I did nearly pass out from boredom a couple of times, but I stuck it out. Jezuz. The things I do for this Forum.
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Post by: Eleanor on August 22, 2014, 09:42:05 PM
They'll sack you as moderator for saying things like that ...
Do you think so? You mean that some people don't believe that Madeleine was Abducted? How on earth did I miss that?
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Post by: Miss Taken Identity on August 22, 2014, 09:42:16 PM
dave you know for sure that everyone watching this forum never watched all 4 vidoes? you are a a fantasist and your post become more desperate as days go on.
You do not speak for EVERYONE on this forum so stop pretending you do.
Elenor so this is a definite abduction . no if's no buts' this is a certainty?
Mr Smith can indeed call to correct an editorial which is incorrect, without compromising his 'witness to an abduction' trial.
There is NO proof that Mr Smith claims he was FRIENDS with Murat..anywhere.
I know, and see my neighbours occasionally, this does not make us 'friends'.
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Post by: Mr Gray on August 22, 2014, 09:45:22 PM
dave you know for sure that everyone watching this forum never watched all 4 vidoes? you are a a fantasist and your post become more desperate as days go on.
You do not speak for EVERYONE on this forum so stop pretending you do.
Elenor so this is a definite abduction . no if's no buts' this is a certainty?
Mr Smith can indeed call to correct an editorial which is incorrect, without compromising his 'witness to an abduction' trial.
There is NO proof that Mr Smith claims he was FRIENDS with Murat..anywhere.
I know, and see my neighbours occasionally, this does not make us 'friends'.
should have said apart from Eleanor....don't believe for a minute Smith sent that email.....
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Post by: Alice Purjorick on August 22, 2014, 10:14:09 PM
Excuse me. I watched all four parts last Sunday morning. But it was raining. I did nearly pass out from boredom a couple of times, but I stuck it out. Jezuz. The things I do for this Forum.
It's tough at the top. 8(>((
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Post by: Eleanor on August 23, 2014, 07:57:34 AM
The notion that Mr Smith was 'friends' with Murat seems to have its origins in what we read (at least on-line) from the files.
Here is the relevant part:
— Adds that in May and August of 2006, he [Martin Smith] saw ROBERT MURAT in Praia da Luz bars. On one of these occasions, the first, he was inebriated and spoke to everyone. He did not wear glasses at that time. He also states that the individual who carried the child was not ROBERT. He would have recognised him immediately.
August of 2006 is almost a year before the events in question.
Interestingly, there is a verbatim quote from Murat's lawyer Pagarete, stating that someone (and he appears to be referring to Martin Smith) contradicted Murat's alibi that he spent the evening May 3rd with his mother by stating that he (this person Pagarete referred to) saw Murat drinking in a bar that evening (May 3rd).
But nothing we read on line appears to corroborate that and the closest (to corroboration!) seems to be Martin Smith's statement.
Most odd ...
Pagarete probably picked that up from yet another tabloid half-myth. Smith did sue various papers for misrepresenting what he'd said.
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Post by: Benice on August 23, 2014, 11:15:16 AM
Unfortunately, it's not as simple as a yes or no, but you know that, as you want to try and trap me into stating abduction is the likelt scenario, but NOTHING I have seen to date will convince me of that.
Now what do you precisely mean by clear evidence in this context ?
Fingerprints ?
The only ones identified were kate mccanns.
We only have the mccanns word the apartment was locked. They changed the story on that one as well.
The damaged crime scene, clearly contaminated by the mccanns and associates rummaging through the apartment ?
There in lies another question, if the mccanns believed Madeleine was abducted, why were they searching the apartment ?
Unless of course, that became part of the 'story' later.
It doesn't make any sense.
The un-slept in bed ?
Why an 'abductor', why not more than one ?
Why take Madeleine, when her sister was younger and easier to carry ?
lastly for now, the dogs indications, after watching three programs today showing dogs at work, what I have seen of Grime's deployment of Eddie and Keela is par for the course, and watching a video of it and nit-picking which several posters on here and elsewhere are notorious for, is no substitute for being on the crime scene.
Very interesting Stephen - but nothing to do with my post.
I'm not trying to trap you at all. I merely asked you a simple question which was:- Would you agree that just because no clear forensic evidence of an abductor was retrieved by PJ officers - that is not proof that such evidence never existed?
I'm thinking of footprints, hairs, fingerprints etc. which may have been in situ when Kate raised the alarm, but then due to the large number of people and dogs going in and out of 5A, may have been contaminated/disturbed/destroyed or rendered irretrievable before the Forensic bods arrived.
I'm not asking you to change your opinion on what happened to Madeleine, merely to acknowledge the possibility that evidence of an intruder may have been inadvertently destroyed - and therefore it is incorrect to make the claim that because no forensic evidence of an intruder was retrieved - that proves he didn't exist.
To remind you of the scene:-
Also, innumerable tracks [footprints] that were taken to be canine in origin mixed with red- and white-coloured chemical products, as used to see fingerprints, and an enormous quantity of hairs probably of animal (dog) origin that made it difficult to find possible traces, especially in the bedroom of two single beds and two children's cots from where the minor disappeared, and next to the aluminium window/door leading from inside the living room to the exterior area behind the apartment. http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/5A_FORENSIC_4_5_7.htm
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Post by: stephen25000 on August 23, 2014, 11:33:12 AM
Very interesting Stephen - but nothing to do with my post.
I'm not trying to trap you at all. I merely asked you a simple question which was:- Would you agree that just because no clear forensic evidence of an abductor was retrieved by PJ officers - that is not proof that such evidence never existed?
I'm thinking of footprints, hairs, fingerprints etc. which may have been in situ when Kate raised the alarm, but then due to the large number of people and dogs going in and out of 5A, may have been contaminated/disturbed/destroyed or rendered irretrievable before the Forensic bods arrived.
I'm not asking you to change your opinion on what happened to Madeleine, merely to acknowledge the possibility that evidence of an intruder may have been inadvertently destroyed - and therefore it is incorrect to make the claim that because no forensic evidence of an intruder was retrieved - that proves he didn't exist.
To remind you of the scene:-
Also, innumerable tracks [footprints] that were taken to be canine in origin mixed with red- and white-coloured chemical products, as used to see fingerprints, and an enormous quantity of hairs probably of animal (dog) origin that made it difficult to find possible traces, especially in the bedroom of two single beds and two children's cots from where the minor disappeared, and next to the aluminium window/door leading from inside the living room to the exterior area behind the apartment. http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/5A_FORENSIC_4_5_7.htm
On that basis, you also have to acknowledge, there might be no evidence to find, since there never was an abduction.
It works both ways, does it not.
and slightly off tangent, NO ONE has come forward revealing Madeleine's whereabouts, even with a substantial reward on offer.
One thing I've learned over the years about human nature, MONEY TALKS.
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Post by: Mr Gray on August 23, 2014, 11:37:58 AM
Particularly as Murat's legal representative, Pagarette should be fully conversant with all legal matters impinging directly on his own client.
Yes, and he may well have filed the suit against JT in good faith for his client on the basis of tabloid rubbish claiming that she had positively identified him.
The tabloid or blog rumour was that it was for criminal defamation. If that was the case, the point may have been about malicious intent... but there is absolutely nothing to indicate that JT even pointed him out as a result of the van episode, let alone signed anything to that effect. Even if she had, I don't see what would have indicated malicious intent.
It was Amaral who stated that she'd "positively identified" him, plus numerous half-myth leaks in the tabloids, including all kinds of rubbish that she had kept changing her versions, which really doesn't appear to be the case. If anything, she was extremely cautious about the whole thing, poor girl.
I don't know who takes the decision to drop a criminal defamation charge. I would guess that officially it would be the prosecution / judge. I've no idea if it has even been thrown out or not... I can't see Murat pursuing it if he has a choice in the matter.
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Post by: Eleanor on August 23, 2014, 09:13:31 PM
Yes, and he may well have filed the suit against JT in good faith for his client on the basis of tabloid rubbish claiming that she had positively identified him.
The tabloid or blog rumour was that it was for criminal defamation. If that was the case, the point may have been about malicious intent... but there is absolutely nothing to indicate that JT even pointed him out as a result of the van episode, let alone signed anything to that effect. Even if she had, I don't see what would have indicated malicious intent.
It was Amaral who stated that she'd "positively identified" him, plus numerous half-myth leaks in the tabloids, including all kinds of rubbish that she had kept changing her versions, which really doesn't appear to be the case. If anything, she was extremely cautious about the whole thing, poor girl.
I don't know who takes the decision to drop a criminal defamation charge. I would guess that officially it would be the prosecution / judge. I've no idea if it has even been thrown out or not... I can't see Murat pursuing it if he has a choice in the matter.
You might wonder about just how stupid Pagarete actually was. Probably not that stupid. It simply is not normal to pursue a witness to a crime, no matter what. A witness statement is protected by Law. Excepting, of course, that Jane Tanner never made such a statement regarding Robert Murat. And I wouldn't care if she had done. Is everyone who ever made a statement about any thing, to be subjected to Malicious Intent? Good bye to anyone ever again making a statement in Portugal , ever again.
Who? Me? I never saw nothing.
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Post by: John on August 23, 2014, 09:43:34 PM
Whether Martin Smith sent that e-mail to Richard Hall or not appears inconsequential as clearly Smith and Murat were never bosom buddies in any sense of the word. Smith was aware of Murat certainly having visited Luz for many years, what is not known is if Murat was similarly aware of Smith...not that it matters anyway imo.
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Post by: Eleanor on August 23, 2014, 10:36:02 PM
Whether Martin Smith sent that e-mail to Richard Hall or not appears inconsequential as clearly Smith and Murat were never bosom buddies in any sense of the word. Smith was aware of Murat certainly having visited Luz for many years, what is not known is if Murat was similarly aware of Smith...not that it matters anyway imo.
Oh, absolutely. All pie in the sky. although I don't actually care if Robert Mutate knew Mr. Smith. But can you see Mr. Smith doing such a ridiculous thing when he has spent the last seven years wishing that he was never there.
Who sent it is by the by. It doesn't actually amount to anything at at all. Mr.Smith said that it wasn't Robert Murat. That's the end of that.
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Post by: Carana on August 24, 2014, 10:43:03 AM
You might wonder about just how stupid Pagarete actually was. Probably not that stupid. It simply is not normal to pursue a witness to a crime, no matter what. A witness statement is protected by Law. Excepting, of course, that Jane Tanner never made such a statement regarding Robert Murat. And I wouldn't care if she had done. Is everyone who ever made a statement about any thing, to be subjected to Malicious Intent? Good bye to anyone ever again making a statement in Portugal , ever again.
Who? Me? I never saw nothing.
I expect it was dropped as JT never did identify him anyway, but I don't think a statement in Portugal would be protected if it could be proven to have been done out of a malicious intent to falsely incriminate someone. I would think that malice would be generally quite hard to prove, though, as people obviously do often make honest but mistaken statements or tip-offs.
In PT, everybody seems to file defamation suits against everyone else, many of which presumably eventually get dropped. It seems like a vicious circle: people file suits as soon as possible, without necessarily checking all the facts, as the court system is so slow. But just sifting through the amount of suits filed probably contributes to what makes it slow in the first place.
Various police officers in the Cipriano case were going to sue Leonor for having falsely identified them... until they realised that she never had picked them out in the ID parade.
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Post by: Mr Gray on August 24, 2014, 10:45:24 AM
I expect it was dropped as JT never did identify him anyway, but I don't think a statement in Portugal would be protected if it could be proven to have been done out of a malicious intent to falsely incriminate someone. I would think that malice would be generally quite hard to prove, though, as people obviously do often make honest but mistaken statements or tip-offs.
In PT, everybody seems to file defamation suits against everyone else, many of which presumably eventually get dropped. It seems like a vicious circle: people file suits as soon as possible, without necessarily checking all the facts, as the court system is so slow. But just sifting through the amount of suits filed probably contributes to what makes it slow in the first place.
Various police officers in the Cipriano case were going to sue Leonor for having falsely identified them... until they realised that she never had picked them out in the ID parade.
They knew she could not identify them as she had a bag on her head
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Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 25, 2014, 11:52:14 AM
Kates account of the winds which waited has been accepted without question by SY.
SY believe unreservedly that the winds did happen to blow with the force required to slam the door shut at the precise moment Kate went to pull it to, and that the wind then paused, whilst Kate tried to work out if some flat bedclothes were Madeleine, only blowing with the force required to flap the curtains once Kate had returned from her bedroom, them curtains informing her in the process that 'they' had taken her, y'know.
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Post by: sadie on August 25, 2014, 12:44:18 PM
Kates account of the winds which waited has been accepted without question by SY.
SY believe unreservedly that the winds did happen to blow with the force required to slam the door shut at the precise moment Kate went to pull it to, and that the wind then paused, whilst Kate tried to work out if some flat bedclothes were Madeleine, only blowing with the force required to flap the curtains once Kate had returned from her bedroom, them curtains informing her in the process that 'they' had taken her, y'know.
It was a GUSTY night Wspam with GUSTS up to 20mph
We do not know what windows The Mccanns had left open in the sitting room, or even if they had left the patio doors slightly ajar in their bedroom. With a southerly aspect, their bedroom could have become very hot, with a residual heat which made sleeping difficult.
To remind you, the sitting room windows on the side were not at ground level, but at more or less first floor level, so not a worry if left open.
To reach their bedroom patio windows an intruder had to go up the outdoor stairs that we have seen Gerry descending from in photos. They were visible to the tapas group, altho only illuminated at the bottom part as John pointed out and again a little at the top en route to the bedroom patio window ..I think a bush obscured their view of the bedroom patio doors, so possibly they were actually hidden from the tapas group. The bedroom patio doors were not illuminated by the close street lamp, they were in the shadow.
I have wondered why there was no interest in these bedroom patio windows
On the image above you will see:
1) Just how high the sitting room window was, (above the cop) so it should have been safe to have been left open. 2) The steps up, which lead to both patio doors but are not lit apprecuiably for the main part 3) The round bush which probably might have hidden from the Tapas group, anyone using the bedroom patio doors.
With an open sitting room window or a slightly open bedroom patio door, there would have been opportunity for a through draught. We dont know if either of these window/ doors was open. The wind must have been coming from roughly the North.
If either was open, as Kate partially closed the door, a larger door surface area presented itself to the sudden northerly gust /draft and a bigger force was produced on the door because of that. Hence the way that a through draft /gust slammed the door shut.
I am not sure that i have explained that very well.
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Post by: Brietta on August 27, 2014, 10:07:20 AM
Fact ::: to steer back to the topic of information re the McCann family and information about them being 'buried by the mainstream media'. Very often there are good reasons for that such as decency and child protection; I can go into a site allegedly seeking justice for Madeleine whose members think nothing of posting very clear, recognisable images of Madeleine's siblings at a private outing with theirs and Madeleine's parents.
The mainstream media recognised Madeleine's siblings right to a private life - the 'truth seekers' showed themselves in their true colours.
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Post by: Luz on August 27, 2014, 10:36:16 AM
This media presentation is provided solely for information and debating purposes. No endorsement of its content is intended or implied.
Interesting video.
BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA - The True Story of Madeleine McCann - PART 1
The Madeleine McCann disappearance has become one of the most enduring mysteries of our time. It has generated thousands of front page headlines in the UK press. Despite the unprecedented coverage, few people have any detailed understanding of the circumstantial and physical evidence of the case. The mainstream media has been used to create diversion and confusion over what really happened, rather than inform their readers about the facts.
Our four documentaries represent the most detailed film based analysis of the Madeleine McCann story, leaving the viewer with an understanding of the comprehensive establishment led cover up, and offer suggestions as to what all the evidence really points to.
The first film in this series, entitled “The Initial Storm” examines in a level of detail never described before in any TV documentary, the evidence of the first night when Madeleine is alleged to have disappeared.
All in all that documentary is spot on in the first 3 parts. I don't agree with part 4, but it doesn't invalidate a MAJOR work to get together all the info available about Madeleine McCann's demise.
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Post by: Brietta on August 27, 2014, 11:49:24 AM
All in all that documentary is spot on in the first 3 parts. I don't agree with part 4, but it doesn't invalidate a MAJOR work to get together all the info available about Madeleine McCann's demise.
Your determination to promote Madeleine McCann's demise is remarkable. Quite obviously you must know something definitive about Madeleine that no-one else does.
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Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 27, 2014, 11:59:14 AM
Your determination to promote Madeleine McCann's demise is remarkable. Quite obviously you must know something definitive about Madeleine that no-one else does.
Have you seen her recently?
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Post by: Brietta on August 27, 2014, 12:01:02 PM
If you are accusing Luz of something why don't you just spit it out Brietta or do you prefer to take the cowardly insinuation route ?
Luz has declared herself incommunicado ... cutting off challenge to or corroborating her assertions. Nice of you to speak up for her since she isn’t bothered enough to do so for herself.
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Post by: Miss Taken Identity on August 27, 2014, 07:32:19 PM
The parents have knowledge of a crime... They talk about it all the time. They notified the police a crime had been committed, they acknowledged a crime scene... Oh, I'm Sorry you were being sarcastic.. phew!
Kate knew Maddie had been abducted- I have lost count over the last 7 years how many times she said that.
She never talks about leaving her, alone, to be abducted....it's like she is projecting her guilt onto others... Leaving those children to fend for themselves.
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Post by: stephen25000 on August 27, 2014, 07:40:59 PM
The parents have knowledge of a crime... They talk about it all the time. They notified the police a crime had been committed, they acknowledged a crime scene... Oh, I'm Sorry you were being sarcastic.. phew!
Kate knew Maddie had been abducted- I have lost count over the last 7 years how many times she said that.
She never talks about leaving her, alone, to be abducted....it's like she is projecting her guilt onto others... Leaving those children to fend for themselves.
...and as equally poignant, the nature of the crime has yet to be established, let alone anyone being charged to date with Madeleine's disappearance.
I also remember what kate mccann said outside court, to the effect of saying 'I was there, i know what happened'.
Well she wasn't there, was she ? &%+((£ 8)-)))
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Post by: Miss Taken Identity on August 27, 2014, 07:47:35 PM
Or was she?
It bothers me that none of the other 'baby listening pals' saw open curtains. Also Kate said the door was not the way we'd left it? who is we? Gerry was in the apartment, did he not open the door to see his little daughter-saying how beautiful she looked? and did he not think he felt someone was in the apartment? Hmm strange he should just walk away without checking!
SO WHO IS WE'D? Kate knew people were 'checking' the children. Why would she think they wouldn't open the door... Hmmm
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Post by: stephen25000 on August 27, 2014, 07:52:53 PM
It bothers me that none of the other 'baby listening pals' saw open curtains. Also Kate said the door was not the way we'd left it? who is we? Gerry was in the apartment, did he not open the door to see his little daughter-saying how beautiful she looked? and did he not think he felt someone was in the apartment? Hmm strange he should just walk away without checking!
SO WHO IS WE'D? Kate knew people were 'checking' the children. Why would she think they wouldn't open the door... Hmmm
Good questions.
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: sadie on August 27, 2014, 09:56:01 PM
It bothers me that none of the other 'baby listening pals' saw open curtains. Also Kate said the door was not the way we'd left it? who is we? Gerry was in the apartment, did he not open the door to see his little daughter-saying how beautiful she looked? and did he not think he felt someone was in the apartment? Hmm strange he should just walk away without checking!
SO WHO IS WE'D? Kate knew people were 'checking' the children. Why would she think they wouldn't open the door... Hmmm
Most people checking sleeping children would leave the door as they found it
Maybe YOU wouldn't? Most would
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Alfred R Jones on August 30, 2014, 06:02:21 PM
i think it is highly plausible that Madeleine was abducted by someone who has a thing for young white girls, I don't think it likely she was killed in the apartment though, however it's possible she was killed accidentally, perhaps asphixiated or bludgeoned and the killer removed the body for fear that his DNA would be discovered on the body. Personally I doubt that the man the Smiths saw was the abductor, but if he was then I think it unlikely that Madeleine was dead at this stage, as I think it highly unlikely that anyone would choose to carry a dead body through the streets of a holiday resort, past restaurants and bars. This all seems very logical to me, but as you inhabit a different reality no doubt this all sounds patently absurd to you!
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Alfred R Jones on August 30, 2014, 06:09:56 PM
PS: I also think that the reason she hasn't been found is that someone who knew the surrounding terrain of PdL was able to dispose of her body in a place where he knew it would probably never be found. It is highly unlikely in my view that a couple of panicked holiday makers would be able to carry out such a feat, or strike lucky by finding a bin in PdL that no one opened in the process of rubbish disposal, nor noticed a child's body at the tip.
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: faithlilly on August 30, 2014, 06:20:43 PM
i think it is highly plausible that Madeleine was abducted by someone who has a thing for young white girls, I don't think it likely she was killed in the apartment though, however it's possible she was killed accidentally, perhaps asphixiated or bludgeoned and the killer removed the body for fear that his DNA would be discovered on the body. Personally I doubt that the man the Smiths saw was the abductor, but if he was then I think it unlikely that Madeleine was dead at this stage, as I think it highly unlikely that anyone would choose to carry a dead body through the streets of a holiday resort, past restaurants and bars. This all seems very logical to me, but as you inhabit a different reality no doubt this all sounds patently absurd to you!
So you find it plausible that the abductor, who had a thing for white BRITISH girls, because that's who we're lead to believe he had assaulted, that he took the body to hinder the discovery of his DNA which would have been all over the apartment anyway but hold on that may not have been the case as it was unlikely Madeleine was dead at that stage, which begs the question why then take her when he had never done it before ? Then Smithman wasn't the abductor even though he was carrying a child who was remarkably similar in appearance to Madeleine.
And you call my theory far fetched !!
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Alfred R Jones on August 30, 2014, 06:21:47 PM
So you find it plausible that the abductor, who had a thing for white BRITISH girls, because that's who we're lead to believe he had assaulted, that he took the body to hinder the discovery of his DNA which would have been all over the apartment anyway but hold on that may not have been the case as it was unlikely Madeleine was dead at that stage, which begs the question why then take her when he had never done it before ? Then Smithman wasn't the abductor even though he was carrying a child who was remarkably similar in appearance to Madeleine.
And you call my theory far fetched !!
Your post is barely coherent. I suggest you take a deep breath and try again.
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Alfred R Jones on August 30, 2014, 06:29:08 PM
Let's break this into bite size chunks to help you:
i think it is highly plausible that Madeleine was abducted by someone who has a thing for young white girls, I don't think it likely she was killed in the apartment though.
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Alfred R Jones on August 30, 2014, 06:33:03 PM
Caveat: I don't think whoever took Madeleine had an EXCLUSIVE interest in British girls, however he may have a thing about WHITE girls. There are many WHITE BRITISH girls on holiday in the Algarve. It's POSSIBLE that coincidentally all previous / post attack victims have been both white and British, it's possible that some other nationality girl(s) have been attacked but not come forward, it's possible that whoever attacked these British girls didn't attack Madeleine at all. It's possible but UNLIKELY that the attacker had a thing about white BRITISH girls exclusively IMO.
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Carana on August 30, 2014, 06:49:03 PM
Let's break this into bite size chunks to help you:
i think it is highly plausible that Madeleine was abducted by someone who has a thing for young white girls, I don't think it likely she was killed in the apartment though.
No one knows at this stage if Smithman is who took her, nor if Smithman is connected to Burgundy-sweatshirtman.
Has it been established that all the girls were white?
At the time of the appeal, the info had come from British families... but there might also be leads coming in from families or police in other countries.
If it wasn't someone resident in the area, it could be someone who moved around from time to time. The guy who killed poor Caroline Dickinson had committed offences in numerous countries.
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: faithlilly on August 30, 2014, 06:52:18 PM
Let's break this into bite size chunks to help you:
i think it is highly plausible that Madeleine was abducted by someone who has a thing for young white girls, I don't think it likely she was killed in the apartment though.
Ah but it seems that only young BRITISH girls where assaulted. Why are you missing that detail out ? Perhaps because even you know how implausible that scenario is ?
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Carana on August 30, 2014, 06:52:37 PM
Caveat: I don't think whoever took Madeleine had an EXCLUSIVE interest in British girls, however he may have a thing about WHITE girls. There are many WHITE BRITISH girls on holiday in the Algarve. It's POSSIBLE that coincidentally all previous / post attack victims have been both white and British, it's possible that some other nationality girl(s) have been attacked but not come forward, it's possible that whoever attacked these British girls didn't attack Madeleine at all. It's possible but UNLIKELY that the attacker had a thing about white BRITISH girls exclusively IMO.
Ah. I hadn't seen this before I posted. I was wondering whether all of the children were white British girls. Some may not have been and some may not be British depending on what info has come in from elsewhere.
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Alfred R Jones on August 30, 2014, 06:57:24 PM
Ah. I hadn't seen this before I posted. I was wondering whether all of the children were white British girls. Some may not have been and some may not be British depending on what info has come in from elsewhere.
Very true.
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Alfred R Jones on August 30, 2014, 06:57:58 PM
Ah but it seems that only young BRITISH girls where assaulted. Why are you missing that detail out ? Perhaps because even you know how implausible that scenario is ?
I think you must have missed one of my posts.
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Alfred R Jones on August 30, 2014, 06:59:58 PM
Who, anywhere, has mooted the theory that MAdeleine was abducted by a man who was ONLY interested in white British girls? Let's have the link please.
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: faithlilly on August 30, 2014, 07:00:33 PM
Caveat: I don't think whoever took Madeleine had an EXCLUSIVE interest in British girls, however he may have a thing about WHITE girls. There are many WHITE BRITISH girls on holiday in the Algarve. It's POSSIBLE that coincidentally all previous / post attack victims have been both white and British, it's possible that some other nationality girl(s) have been attacked but not come forward, it's possible that whoever attacked these British girls didn't attack Madeleine at all. It's possible but UNLIKELY that the attacker had a thing about white BRITISH girls exclusively IMO.
There was also many Irish, German, Swedish etc etc girls holidaying in PDL over the years yet not one non-British family, as far as we are aware, has ever come forward to say their child was assaulted. So either we must believe that not one non-British family were bothered enough about their child being assaulted to report it or that the abductor did indeed have a liking exclusively for British girls, both scenarios, I'm sure you will agree, are highly unlikely.
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Alfred R Jones on August 30, 2014, 07:02:05 PM
There was also many Irish, German, Swedish etc etc girls holidaying in PDL over the years yet not one non-British family, as far as we are aware, has ever come forward to say their child was assaulted. So either we must believe that not one non-British family were bothered enough about their child being assaulted to report it or that the abductor did indeed have a liking exclusively for British girls, both scenarios, I'm sure you will agree, are highly unlikely.
Therefore...what? Are we to dismiss the attacks as a work of fiction? If so, a fiction created by whom and to what end?
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: jassi on August 30, 2014, 07:03:23 PM
Therefore...what? Are we to dismiss the attacks as a work of fiction? If so, a fiction created by whom and to what end?
15 minutes of fame. perhaps?
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Alfred R Jones on August 30, 2014, 07:06:01 PM
Bite-size chunk number 2:
I don't think it likely she was killed in the apartment though, however it's possible she was killed accidentally, perhaps asphyxiated or bludgeoned and the killer removed the body for fear that his DNA would be discovered on the body.
Now note, I don't think this terribly likely but it does happen. Joanna Yeates body was removed from the place where she was killed by her killer and then dumped. Why?
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Alfred R Jones on August 30, 2014, 07:07:30 PM
There was also many Irish, German, Swedish etc etc girls holidaying in PDL over the years yet not one non-British family, as far as we are aware, has ever come forward to say their child was assaulted. So either we must believe that not one non-British family were bothered enough about their child being assaulted to report it or that the abductor did indeed have a liking exclusively for British girls, both scenarios, I'm sure you will agree, are highly unlikely.
Why would the public be necessarily privy to such sensitive information if any has come through from other countries? The people who need to know are the investigating police.
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Alfred R Jones on August 30, 2014, 07:12:13 PM
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: pegasus on August 30, 2014, 09:51:28 PM
Re the 2006 incident which Wonderfulspam mentioned, this report the parents were eating "next door"
"... in the same week a year before Madeleine went missing, when a man got into a flat where two young British children were sleeping as their parents dined next door. The intruder was interrupted by the older child who screamed after seeing the skinny man peering into a travel-cot." http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-crimewatch-appeal-sees-2372604
Another report said the man "picked up a camera case" - this to me indicates he is a burglar http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2459722/Madeleine-McCann-10pm-sighting-suggests-mother-Kate-caught-kidnapper.html
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 30, 2014, 09:53:28 PM
Re the 2006 incident which Wonderfulspam mentioned, this report the parents were eating "next door"
"... in the same week a year before Madeleine went missing, when a man got into a flat where two young British children were sleeping as their parents dined next door. The intruder was interrupted by the older child who screamed after seeing the skinny man peering into a travel-cot." http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-crimewatch-appeal-sees-2372604
Another report said the man picked up a camera case - this to me indicates he is a burglar
Another example of exceptional parenting by Brits abroad.
'Skinny Man', that's a new one.
Maybe he squeezed into 5a via the letter box.
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: pegasus on August 30, 2014, 10:10:24 PM
This set of films is excellent in describing the huge levels of support, from two UK prime ministers, from the UK government, from Mr Mitchell, from a world-leading top UK investigation company, and from various UK multi-millionaires. I am putting forward the proposition, that all those powerful supporters have in common that they do not know what happened, and that their involvement, albeit extraordinary, is innocent.
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 30, 2014, 10:44:39 PM
There was also many Irish, German, Swedish etc etc girls holidaying in PDL over the years yet not one non-British family, as far as we are aware, has ever come forward to say their child was assaulted. So either we must believe that not one non-British family were bothered enough about their child being assaulted to report it or that the abductor did indeed have a liking exclusively for British girls, both scenarios, I'm sure you will agree, are highly unlikely.
there amy well have been children of other nationalities assaulted but the case will not have been subject to the same exposure as the uk so will have not come forward
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: faithlilly on August 30, 2014, 11:13:24 PM
there amy well have been children of other nationalities assaulted but the case will not have been subject to the same exposure as the uk so will have not come forward
The Crimewatch programme which detailed the assaults was shown in several European countries yet not one non-British family has supposedly come forward to say their child had also been assaulted. Don't you find that strange because I do ?
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: misty on August 31, 2014, 01:05:03 AM
The Crimewatch programme which detailed the assaults was shown in several European countries yet not one non-British family has supposedly come forward to say their child had also been assaulted. Don't you find that strange because I do ?
I agree. I also found it strange that the PJ concentrated only on the British & Portuguese residents/staff at OC when conducting their interviews - but then again, we were only permitted to see the parts of the files which suited.
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 31, 2014, 07:43:37 AM
The Crimewatch programme which detailed the assaults was shown in several European countries yet not one non-British family has supposedly come forward to say their child had also been assaulted. Don't you find that strange because I do ?
Last time I went to the Algarve..most of the tourists were brits...the case has received far more publicity here than in other UK countries
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Mr Gray on August 31, 2014, 01:44:05 PM
From my point of view as long as SY have been allowed to finish their investigation then we can ask no more. Even if they find nothing at least the case will have been properly investigated by a first class police force. The case may be impossible to solve, but that doesn't mean SY should not try
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Brietta on August 31, 2014, 01:58:08 PM
Those among us who wish the investigation into a missing child a successful conclusion will be disappointed if SY don’t turn up any evidence about what happened to her; your words seem to imply you will be content with that outcome.
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Brietta on August 31, 2014, 02:00:05 PM
From my point of view as long as SY have been allowed to finish their investigation then we can ask no more. Even if they find nothing at least the case will have been properly investigated by a first class police force. The case may be impossible to solve, but that doesn't mean SY should not try
I agree with every word and would only add the hope that their investigation should be unimpeded.
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: ferryman on September 01, 2014, 02:03:29 PM
So I finally got hold of a computer with speakers that work and listened to the video.
Why didn't someone warn me not to bother? ...
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Brietta on September 01, 2014, 02:13:37 PM
So I finally got hold of a computer with speakers that work and listened to the video.
Why didn't someone warn me not to bother? ...
Well done! You have joined a very small exclusive club of those who actually bothered ... I tried ... but it was like subjecting myself to a double dose of the taylor woman's videos and I just couldn't stand it.
8((()*/
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: xtina on September 15, 2014, 08:18:02 AM
This video is of Richard on one of his talks. He stresses why and when he decided to make the video's. He also states what he believes happened.
http://www.richplanet.net/starship.php
I thought this video was excellent and it summed up quite nicely why he devoted one hour to each of his topics in the four other videos. Like some others, I wondered why he spent so much time talking about the detective agencies that were hired......
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: ferryman on September 15, 2014, 08:38:33 AM
Mentions the cadaver dogs ...
Stop right there.
There was only one cadaver dog
Forget the rest ...
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: xtina on September 15, 2014, 10:54:19 AM
You have made just one small point FM, but it illustrates the innaccuracy of the Richard report.
Everything he says about what the dogs proved is WRONG.
Xtina, I am suprised that by now, you are not aware that everything he says about the dogs is rubbish as far as impicating the Mccanns goes.
You must make the time to read back and understand that the dogs poved nothing. It is all outlined in this forum. Seems Amaral didn't understand it (at best).
Maybe you cant do logic? Some cant. But maybe you just haven't read it?
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: slartibartfast on September 15, 2014, 11:43:42 AM
You have made just one small point FM, but it illustrates the innaccuracy of the Richard report.
Everything he says about what the dogs proved is WRONG.
Xtina, I am suprised that by now, you are naot aware that everything he says about the dogs is rubbish as far as impicating the Mccanns goes.
You must make the time to read back and understand that the dogs poved nothing. It is all outlined in this forum. Seems Amaral didn't understand it (at best).
Maybe you cant do logic? Some cant. But maybe you just haven't read it?
The critical word, if spelled right, is proved.
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: xtina on September 15, 2014, 01:26:11 PM
You have made just one small point FM, but it illustrates the innaccuracy of the Richard report.
Everything he says about what the dogs proved is WRONG.
Xtina, I am suprised that by now, you are naot aware that everything he says about the dogs is rubbish as far as impicating the Mccanns goes.
You must make the time to read back and understand that the dogs poved nothing. It is all outlined in this forum. Seems Amaral didn't understand it (at best).
Maybe you cant do logic? Some cant. But maybe you just haven't read it?
i think G.A. understood it perfectly.....he was there after all ...he saw the mccs for what they were ....he saw the change of stories .etc...etc...etc....etc..the way they were and he was not alone in his thinking was he ...
oh yes i can do logic ...its just yours is different to mine ...bit condescending isn't it ,,,,that we all have to think like you...
if we all thought the same ...there would be no justice in the world would there
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: xtina on September 15, 2014, 01:54:12 PM
You have made just one small point FM, but it illustrates the innaccuracy of the Richard report.
Everything he says about what the dogs proved is WRONG.
Xtina, I am suprised that by now, you are naot aware that everything he says about the dogs is rubbish as far as impicating the Mccanns goes.
You must make the time to read back and understand that the dogs poved nothing. It is all outlined in this forum. Seems Amaral didn't understand it (at best).
Maybe you cant do logic? Some cant. But maybe you just haven't read it?
oh dear quote from the book thread...post 652....so i will decline the offer to read back on the dog`s ....seems you don't understand it ..[at best]
Quote from: Angelo222
Quote from: davel on Today at 07:03:56 AM
Amaral got it wrong. He misunderstood the evidence. Summers and Swann explain where he was wrong and they come to the same conclusion as SY...that's what upsets some posters
How do you know that Gonc misinterpreted the dog alerts? Nobody knows at this point in time what the dogs alerted to and that includes S&S.
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Brietta on September 15, 2014, 01:56:14 PM
i think G.A. understood it perfectly.....he was there after all ...he saw the mccs for what they were ....he saw the change of stories .etc...etc...etc....etc..the way they were and he was not alone in his thinking was he ...
oh yes i can do logic ...its just yours is different to mine ...bit condescending isn't it ,,,,that we all have to think like you...
if we all thought the same ...there would be no justice in the world would there
Maybe you cant do logic? Some cant. But maybe you just haven't read it?
In what manner exactly did Dr Amaral develop this in depth insight into the Drs McCann?
He didn’t ever bother to meet them or question them during his time as co-ordinator of the investigation into Madeleine McCann’s disappearance.
Understandable why he goes to great lengths to gloss over those glaring omissions when he writes as if he had personal knowledge of Madeleine’s parents; just a tad disingenuous n’est-ce pas?
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: xtina on September 15, 2014, 02:11:54 PM
In what manner exactly did Dr Amaral develop this in depth insight into the Drs McCann?
He didn’t ever bother to meet them or question them during his time as co-ordinator of the investigation into Madeleine McCann’s disappearance.
Understandable why he goes to great lengths to gloss over those glaring omissions when he writes as if he had personal knowledge of Madeleine’s parents; just a tad disingenuous n’est-ce pas?
no it isn't so...
read Sadie's post ....it was her i was replying to .....i cant even begin to understand what you are on about
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Brietta on September 15, 2014, 05:06:07 PM
read Sadie's post ....it was her i was replying to .....i cant even begin to understand what you are on about
Hmmm … I see … your comprehension is somehow impaired if someone else answers your posts. Please note for future reference … I read all of Sadie’s post … if you cannot carry debate forward why bother posting?
However, I think you understood well enough that Dr Amaral did not meet the Drs McCann … and that is so.
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: xtina on September 15, 2014, 06:21:26 PM
Hmmm … I see … your comprehension is somehow impaired if someone else answers your posts. Please note for future reference … I read all of Sadie’s post … if you cannot carry debate forward why bother posting?
However, I think you understood well enough that Dr Amaral did not meet the Drs McCann … and that is so.
I think its your your comprehension that is somehow impaired.....hammer and chisel needed i think...pleeeeeze follow this
Sadie's post
You have made just one small point FM, but it illustrates the innaccuracy of the Richard report.
Everything he says about what the dogs proved is WRONG.
Xtina, I am suprised that by now, you are naot aware that everything he says about the dogs is rubbish as far as impicating the Mccanns goes.
You must make the time to read back and understand that the dogs poved nothing. It is all outlined in this forum. Seems Amaral didn't understand it (at best). ... my reply
i think G.A. understood it perfectly.....he was there after all ...he saw the mccs for what they were ....he saw the change of stories .etc...etc...etc....etc..the way they were and he was not alone in his thinking was he ...
oh yes i can do logic ...its just yours is different to mine ...bit condescending isn't it ,,,,that we all have to think like you...
if we all thought the same ...there would be no justice in the world would there
........................
now where ....have i said...Goncalo Amaral ...met the mccs.......an so is that...
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Bert Singe on September 15, 2014, 08:04:53 PM
You have made just one small point FM, but it illustrates the innaccuracy of the Richard report.
Everything he says about what the dogs proved is WRONG.
Xtina, I am suprised that by now, you are naot aware that everything he says about the dogs is rubbish as far as impicating the Mccanns goes.
You must make the time to read back and understand that the dogs poved nothing. It is all outlined in this forum. Seems Amaral didn't understand it (at best).
Maybe you cant do logic? Some cant. But maybe you just haven't read it?
Dog evidence vs abduction evidence - the McCann's have been caught lying whereas the dogs have not. Even if the dog alerts are inadmissible, why back a proven liar over an innocent dog?
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Mr Gray on September 15, 2014, 08:10:11 PM
Dog evidence vs abduction evidence - the McCann's have been caught lying whereas the dogs have not. Even if the dog alerts are inadmissible, why back a proven liar over an innocent dog?
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Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: slartibartfast on September 15, 2014, 08:19:34 PM
Amaral is the proven liar ... proven in two courts and sentence passed
The dogs proved NOTHING
As you say:
Quote
"why back a proven liar over an innocent dog?"
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Good try tho'
Suggest you read the dog threads and make sure you understand just what the dogs did and did NOT prove.
They proved NOTHING, Bert, but the proven liar said they did.
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Brietta on September 16, 2014, 12:02:24 PM
From the little I was able to sit through of these 'wonderful' videos jam packed with goodies detailing the same old - same old - same old which has kept the myth factory in business over the past seven + years ... it is my firm opinion that it is not strange that believers in a myriad of absurd fantasies dismiss anything which is based on the probable and possible.
However ... no problem ... the PJ and the Met seem to be following the 'fantasy' of abduction ... you may not like that fact, but suits me fine.
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: stephen25000 on September 16, 2014, 03:04:38 PM
... and which of the preposterous 'theories' do you subscribe to? haven't seen a post about the freezer for some time ... or has that been superceded by the coffin one?
I don't subscribe to any preposterous theories brietta.
I leave to to those such as yourself with the blind faith in the 'abduction'. %£&)**# %£&)**# %£&)**# %£&)**#
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Eleanor on September 16, 2014, 06:02:25 PM
Have The Main Stream Media covered up any lies told by The McCanns? If so, what are those lies, and why have The MSM buried them?
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Alfred R Jones on September 16, 2014, 06:07:07 PM
Ah, a good way of bringing things back on topic Eleanor, well done 8((()*/ A caveat to that would be what lies told by the McCanns to cover up their alleged crime have in turn been covered up by the mainstream media...?
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Eleanor on September 16, 2014, 06:12:01 PM
Ah, a good way of bringing things back on topic Eleanor, well done 8((()*/ A caveat to that would be what lies told by the McCanns to cover up their alleged crime have in turn been covered up by the mainstream media...?
Thanks, Alfred. So lets hear these lies that The MSM have been hiding.
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Brietta on September 16, 2014, 06:12:01 PM
Ah, a good way of bringing things back on topic Eleanor, well done 8((()*/ A caveat to that would be what lies told by the McCanns to cover up their alleged crime have in turn been covered up by the mainstream media...?
... and why would the MSM cover up anything that would sell newspapers?
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Bert Singe on September 16, 2014, 08:51:21 PM
Alfred, has Redwood discovered anybody lying about covering up a crime? If he has got 6 million plus at his disposal and still cannot prove abduction then why would you expect me to prove somebody has lied about their crime? Would that not lead to a conviction?
I can however point you in the direction of the parents blatantly lying about the abduction campaign, so I'll ask you again. What reason have innocent people got to lie about events connected to the disappearance of their daughter?
This is just a small part of the suspicious behaviour displayed and highlighted by the videos. Behaviour which you inexplicably refuse to even consider. Instead looking for definitive proof of a crime. Alfred, there is no proof. If that is your only purpose then you may as well quit because you will not find any proof of anybody committing an abduction nor concealment of a body. Suspicious activity however stains the central characters continually which you turn a blind eye to. Simple question, why?
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Alfred R Jones on September 16, 2014, 09:12:45 PM
Alfred, has Redwood discovered anybody lying about covering up a crime? If he has got 6 million plus at his disposal and still cannot prove abduction then why would you expect me to prove somebody has lied about their crime? Would that not lead to a conviction?
I can however point you in the direction of the parents blatantly lying about the abduction campaign, so I'll ask you again. What reason have innocent people got to lie about events connected to the disappearance of their daughter?
This is just a small part of the suspicious behaviour displayed and highlighted by the videos. Behaviour which you inexplicably refuse to even consider. Instead looking for definitive proof of a crime. Alfred, there is no proof. If that is your only purpose then you may as well quit because you will not find any proof of anybody committing an abduction nor concealment of a body. Suspicious activity however stains the central characters continually which you turn a blind eye to. Simple question, why?
So, not one single example of a McCann lie told to cover up a crime? I see, that's a big admission! Listen Bert, this may come as a surprise (but probably not) but pretty much every single example of McCann behaviour that you view as suspicious, I just don't. Now, no doubt this will cause much incredulous huffing and puffing from you, but that's just the wayit is. No evidence of lies, no suspicious behaviour, no evidence of a cover up - and the fact that you can't volunteer one single proven lie told to cover up a crime after seven years of giving ths case such intense scrutiny says it all to me.
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: xtina on September 17, 2014, 09:02:00 AM
Alf.....the thing here is ...you go on and on about proof ..[the proof is covered up with spin]..
what proof do you have ...or can even show ....one Little minute thing ...that there was an abduction ....the only thing you have on your side is ...IMO the big cover up of what happened to maddie
simply by the title of this thread ...its a one horse race for the mccs ...because...unfortunately democracy cannot function ...without free press.
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Alfred R Jones on September 17, 2014, 09:05:25 AM
Alf.....the thing here is ...you go on and on about proof ..[the proof is covered up with spin]..
what proof do you have ...or can even show ....one Little minute thing ...that there was an abduction ....the only thing you have on your side is ...IMO the big cover up of what happened to maddie
simply by the title of this thread ...its a one horse race for the mccs ...because...unfortunately democracy cannot function ...without free press.
Listen Xtina, if you make a serious allegation that someone is a liar and has covered up the death of their daughter you better be prepared to provide incontrovertible proof to back up your statement, or do you think it's ok to make such accusations without it?
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: xtina on September 17, 2014, 09:13:32 AM
Listen Xtina, if you make a serious allegation that someone is a liar and has covered up the death of their daughter you better be prepared to provide incontrovertible proof to back up your statement, or do you think it's ok to make such accusations without it?
no you listen ...orr should i say read what the hand puts ....do you realise what you are trying to cover up ...without any proof what so ever
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Alfred R Jones on September 17, 2014, 09:18:37 AM
what is your reason....what is your role in all this .....are you part of the the mcc team...to discredit anythin negative said about the mccs
I'm helping to expose the wilful, spiteful stupidity directed at the parents
why are you helping ...seems a pretty strong statement to make Alf...considering the mccs have it all there own way anyway.....
If you saw people being relentlessly mean and vindictive to the relatives of a crime victim would you not want to help them in some way, or would you join in with the campaign against them? I chose one option, you chose the other.
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: stephen25000 on September 17, 2014, 09:48:27 AM
If you saw people being relentlessly mean and vindictive to the relatives of a crime victim would you not want to help them in some way, or would you join in with the campaign against them? I chose one option, you chose the other.
Utter rubbish.
Who is responsible for the sequence of events which led to MADELEINE'S DISAPPEARANCE ?
It wasn't the bogey man, was it.
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: ferryman on September 17, 2014, 10:31:52 AM
The big cover-up of what happened to (if you must!) Maddie!
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Luz on September 17, 2014, 11:30:58 AM
I haven't seen the video but have read about it. Based on everything I have seen over the last seven years the video will be full of lies.
If you haven't seen it how can you say it's full of lies?!
In any case, my purpose is not to comment the usual posts that Davel produces, but to exhort everyone to watch this 4,5 hours documentary by Rich Hall.
It contains very small errors, and so far it is the only videoed document that was faithful to the documentation available.
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Brietta on September 17, 2014, 11:39:05 AM
If anything is being glossed over in the MSM it may very well concern Dr Amaral and his colleagues many of whom have led very chequered careers in the years before and after Madeleine’s abduction.
For example, I believe that if any one of the McCann party were to receive as much as a parking ticket we would be told about it; while police officers who have received criminal convictions and suspended jail sentences receive no mention.
So who are the actual beneficiaries of media cover-ups?
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: xtina on September 17, 2014, 03:55:03 PM
it makes you wonder sometimes &%+((£.........if the media actually do have a dig at the mccs..... now and then
strange photo to put with the headline below....[one of the ones where they are looking devastated as well on mothers day] 8(0(*
What is strange about the paper using that photo? It is the one depicted in the mural. Obviously you didn't actually read the article!
yes i did as a matter of fact ......the headline underneath along with the photo...is what i found strange ....not really an appropriate pic though was it ......
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: jassi on September 17, 2014, 06:31:17 PM
yes i did as a matter of fact ......the headline underneath along with the photo...is what i found strange ....not really an appropriate pic though was it ......
No, not really - subliminal message is how I interpret it.
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on September 17, 2014, 09:21:56 PM
Oh Jassi Pay no heed to freddie He has an unhealthy obsession about the innocence of two sneaky, snidey, manipulative parents.
Anyone who expresses an opinion which does not include 'abduction' or even if you merely ask a question, they go berserk at an alarming rate. Sometimes it is quite amusing- no, sorry, it is ALWAYS amusing!
The fact is: there are many theories as to what happened some people are open minded, and like to forensically Analise the accounts in a grown up manner- not on here- they get all passionate about one theory.
The main facts I look at are: If Kate knew Maddie was 'taken,'abducted' right away - why did they go and 'look' for her? Looking in dumpsters 'holes' ditches? why look there if she was abducted?
They were looking for a missing child and not a 'stolen from the apartment child'! They would never admit Maddie could have wandered out and was found by someone or fell into a ditch or something.
Who would abduct a child, and throw them in a dumpster near to where they were stolen from? If she was being watched, the person/s would want to have some kind of use of her by way of sexual intention or financial gain.
Think it through....
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on September 17, 2014, 11:45:30 PM
Oh Jassi Pay no heed to freddie He has an unhealthy obsession about the innocence of two sneaky, snidey, manipulative parents.
Anyone who expresses an opinion which does not include 'abduction' or even if you merely ask a question, they go berserk at an alarming rate. Sometimes it is quite amusing- no, sorry, it is ALWAYS amusing!
The fact is: there are many theories as to what happened some people are open minded, and like to forensically Analise the accounts in a grown up manner- not on here- they get all passionate about one theory.
The main facts I look at are: If Kate knew Maddie was 'taken,'abducted' right away - why did they go and 'look' for her? Looking in dumpsters 'holes' ditches? why look there if she was abducted?
They were looking for a missing child and not a 'stolen from the apartment child'! They would never admit Maddie could have wandered out and was found by someone or fell into a ditch or something.
Who would abduct a child, and throw them in a dumpster near to where they were stolen from? If she was being watched, the person/s would want to have some kind of use of her by way of sexual intention or financial gain.
Think it through....
Amusing? more like tedious. Listen to the self righteous mock indignation. It is reminiscent of a Long Johns sketch....
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: lordpookles on November 05, 2014, 12:20:22 PM
So I sat through these 4 hours. Seemed good enough and many interesting points brought up. How verifiable are many of the points he brought up like the manufactured sightings of Madeline?
Was rather pissed off after wasting 4 hours of my life and saw the other documentaries he had made like alien human mutilating invaders... absolutely ridiculous... hard to take him seriously at all now...
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Jean-Pierre on November 05, 2014, 12:52:39 PM
So I sat through these 4 hours. Seemed good enough and many interesting points brought up. How verifiable are many of the points he brought up like the manufactured sightings of Madeline?
Was rather pissed off after wasting 4 hours of my life and saw the other documentaries he had made like alien human mutilating invaders... absolutely ridiculous... hard to take him seriously at all now...
You can't say you wern't warned 8)--))
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: lordpookles on November 05, 2014, 01:12:07 PM
Yeah I just watched and read some comments later. Don't trust this guy.
A balanced serious documentary on Madeliene McCann is overdue imo. There were 1 or 2 made in the early days which I thought were fair, but that was a long time ago and in the current climate seems to me it would be very hard to attempt to make one...
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Jean-Pierre on November 05, 2014, 03:17:32 PM
Yeah I just watched and read some comments later. Don't trust this guy.
A balanced serious documentary on Madeliene McCann is overdue imo. There were 1 or 2 made in the early days which I thought were fair, but that was a long time ago and in the current climate seems to me it would be very hard to attempt to make one...
One of the problems is that a serious documentary needs to be based on some induspuable facts. And then go into informed opinion to fill in the gaps.
Can anyone find any more than half a dozen indisputable facts (hopefully without sniping).
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: slartibartfast on November 05, 2014, 03:21:24 PM
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: lordpookles on November 05, 2014, 04:44:56 PM
It's an indisputable fact they alerted. The interpretation is another thing...
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: lordpookles on November 05, 2014, 04:54:36 PM
Another indisputable fact is that the McCann's left their children 50meteres away, 70 meters walking distance for 5 nights running I believe in their holiday apartment... they checked periodically on their children, but the exact intervals are not established...
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Alfred R Jones on November 05, 2014, 04:56:17 PM
Some people would dispute that fact. Some "sceptics" reckon the children were never left alone, believe it or not.
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Carana on November 05, 2014, 04:56:51 PM
- All the couples had left their children sleeping in the apartments when they went to dinner. With the exception of the Paynes who had a powerful baby monitor, the others went to check the children periodically.
- The McCanns left the patio door unlocked.
- The twins didn't wake up.
- A number of burglaries (or attempted ones) had taken place in the area.
- Over a number of years, various children had been molested or had found a stranger sitting on their beds.
- Only one hair of the 100 or so found in 5A has been positively identified by nuclear DNA. A number of others have haplotypes that correspond to those of people known to have been in the apartment, although this is not a positive identification. Various other haplotypes do not correspond to anyone for whom the INML had a reference sample.
- The GNR asked numerous people in the vicinity if they'd noticed anything suspicious, but had not asked the individuals if they themselves had been carrying a child during the time period in question.
- The Ocean Club set their missing child protocol in motion.
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: lordpookles on November 05, 2014, 11:58:53 PM
- All the couples had left their children sleeping in the apartments when they went to dinner. With the exception of the Paynes who had a powerful baby monitor, the others went to check the children periodically.
- The McCanns left the patio door unlocked.
- The twins didn't wake up.
- A number of burglaries (or attempted ones) had taken place in the area.
- Over a number of years, various children had been molested or had found a stranger sitting on their beds.
- Only one hair of the 100 or so found in 5A has been positively identified by nuclear DNA. A number of others have haplotypes that correspond to those of people known to have been in the apartment, although this is not a positive identification. Various other haplotypes do not correspond to anyone for whom the INML had a reference sample.
- The GNR asked numerous people in the vicinity if they'd noticed anything suspicious, but had not asked the individuals if they themselves had been carrying a child during the time period in question.
- The Ocean Club set their missing child protocol in motion.
The bolded part. Is this an indisputable fact? Mathew Oldfield made a check earlier. Did he go through the unlocked patio doors?
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: lordpookles on November 06, 2014, 12:46:11 AM
The bolded part. Is this an indisputable fact? Mathew Oldfield made a check earlier. Did he go through the unlocked patio doors?
Without actually checking the words that he went into 5A via the patio window, I think it must be fact, LP, cos Matt came from Russells flat via the alleyway.
Russell let him out of his patio door into the alleyway.
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: pegasus on November 06, 2014, 02:32:44 AM
The bolded part. Is this an indisputable fact? Mathew Oldfield made a check earlier. Did he go through the unlocked patio doors?
So we went out and we debated about whether we'd go in first or go in later, but Russell wanted to get back because Evie had been a little bit unsettled and so we went back first and he went in and I went in to check on Grace and actually went in through the door, unlocked the door, looked in, into her room, all fine, came back out, shut the door, erm, went over to his apartment and he said that Evie had been sick so he was staying back with her. So I went back and did the check on five 'A', on Madeleine and the kids, erm, and went back through the patio entrance, so through the gate, through the patio doors, erm, there was, it was light enough to see through the apartment and there sort of a little table light on the right at the end of the sofa and when you walk into the room, you could see straight into it, because the door was open.
Without actually checking the words that he went into 5A via the patio window, I think it must be fact, LP, cos Matt came from Russells flat via the alleyway.
Russell let him out of his patio door into the alleyway.
Matt did go in via the patio, but seems to have popped over to Russ's front door to collect him (at which point Russ said he was staying with his daughter) and went the long way round. It doesn't say anything about having been in the JT/O'Brien apartment and being let out via the patio.
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Jean-Pierre on November 06, 2014, 10:43:18 AM
Soapartfrom two or three, there are precios few facts that are certain or not disputable. This means that everything is speculation and more or less informed guesswork.
(With due respect to those posters who insist that abduction is impossible, of course) 8)--))
Title: Re: New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.
Post by: Jean-Pierre on November 06, 2014, 10:59:21 AM