Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: pathfinder73 on November 24, 2014, 11:01:44 PM
Title: The mystery letter claiming Madeleine had been dumped in the Bravura Dam.
Post by: pathfinder73 on November 24, 2014, 11:01:44 PM
The Daily Mirror have got two video interviews with the gardener a letter was found saying Madeleine was dumped in a lake.
Madeleine McCann cops 'ignored tip-off that her body was dumped in lake' Nov 24, 2014 22:30 By David Collins
An employee of the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz found it in the doorway of apartment 5A, where Madeleine vanished, on the first anniversary of her disappearance
A letter handed in to Portuguese police claimed to know the final resting place of Madeleine McCann, it has emerged.
An employee of the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz found the letter in the doorway of apartment 5A, where Madeleine vanished, on the first anniversary of her disappearance.
The handyman, who we are not naming but was formerly employed by the holiday resort, immediately handed in the note to the police in May 2008.
He described the letter as being headed: “Madeleine Beth McCann”, with a description below of how she had been dumped in the Barragem da Bravura reservoir, nine miles from the holiday resort.
He said: “It was raining that night so it was soaking wet when I found it. It clearly said Madeleine’s name at the top. It was written in Portuguese.
“Beneath it was a location for what it claimed was her final resting place.
“I spoke to the other staff about it and they said to hand it in to the Portuguese police. I gave it to them, but I have no idea what they did about it.
It is believed that although the surrounding woodland was initially looked at by detectives on the case, there has never been an underwater search of the reservoir.
Tonight a spokesperson for Kate and Gerry McCann said they would “welcome” any new searches of the area.
Clarence Mitchell said: “Kate and Gerry will be informed of what this witness is telling the Daily Mirror.
"We would welcome any new searches. But they cannot comment on any specific detail as that is entirely a matter for Operation Grange and the Portuguese authorities.”
The man-made lake is close to the A22 motorway which runs from Praia da Luz towards the Spanish border.
In October 2007, five months after Madeleine disappeared, officers from the Civil Guard helped search the large area of woodland, which has a lake in the middle supplying water to surrounding towns and villages.
The search was re-ordered by lead investigator Paulo Rebelo, who took over the stalled investigation, after concerns the area had not been searched properly when Madeleine went missing.
Detectives believed it was a possibility the youngster’s body may have been weighed down with rocks and disposed of in the huge expanse of water.
However reports at the time say police, along with specially trained sniffer dogs, spent just two hours at the site and are not thought to have deployed underwater search teams.
One eyewitness, who was there at the time of the search, said: “I never saw any divers physically trawl through that lake. The water is dark and murky and would need to be searched thoroughly.
”It’s so close to Praia da Luz, and such an obvious place to hide a body, that I’m amazed following an actual tip off this hasn’t been done.”
The Portuguese investigation into Madeleine’s disappearance has been widely criticised and is known to have made several serious mistakes, including the failure to close off the apartment which led to the contamination of the crime scene after up to 20 people were allowed inside.
It has previously been reported how a Dutch newspaper was sent an anonymous letter and a map of the area near the same reservoir bearing a cross and the words: “Where Madeleine is buried.”
The desolate Barragem da Bravura lake, or the “Reservoir of the Wilderness”, occupies an area two-and-a-half miles wide and a perimeter of 25 miles.
Only a handful of isolated dwellings dot the beauty spot.
Many of the Ocean Club staff believe the four-year-old could have been taken there after she vanished from the McCanns’ holiday apartment.
In February 2008, a team of divers hired by Portuguese lawyer Marcos Aragao Correia searched the Barragem do Arada reservoir, which is 35 miles east of Praia da Luz.
The human rights lawyer claimed that underworld criminals told him Madeleine was dumped in a nearby lake that was “deserted with lots of trees and a beach area” - however the search came to nothing.
Kate, 46, and Gerry, 45, of Rothley, Leics, were at a tapas bar about 80 yards from their apartment when Madeleine vanished.
Gerry checked on her and her brother and sister at 9.15pm. At 10pm Kate found she had gone.
Police believe seven new possible suspects, five men and two women, may have information.
It has been reported they also plan to re-interview expat Robert Murat, 41, who was cleared by the 2007 inquiry.
A friend of the McCann’s from Rothley, Leics, said they were desperate to find out what had happened to Madeleine and were confident Scotland Yard would “do everything in their power” to unravel the mystery.
The friend said: “They hope police search any potentially significant new place but until there is evidence to suggest otherwise Kate and Gerry remain hopeful that Madeleine could still be alive.
”If an anonymous letter has come to light which suggests their daughter’s body could be in a lake in a barren area not far from Praia da Luz then they know police will be thinking ‘Was this area searched before and do we need to look at it again?’
”They would hope it has been acted on before but if there is new information it will surely be in police hands.”
Former GP Kate and heart doctor Gerry, both 46, rarely comment on the huge multi-million police inquiry ordered by Prime Minister David Cameron.
But in a joint statement released this summer when cops were digging up part of the resort from were three-year-old Maddie was snatched in May 2007, they said: “We are very pleased that significant activity has taken place in Praia da Luz over the last eight days with police officers and support teams from the UK working closely with the Portuguese Policia Judiciaria and the Guarda Nacional Republicana.
”We are further encouraged that, despite intensive searches, no trace of Madeleine has been found and this reinforces our belief that she could still be alive.”
Kate and Gerry’s Portuguese lawyer Isabel Duarte told the Mirror: “They want to know exactly what has happened to their child.”
A Scotland Yard spokesperson refused to comment.
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Title: Re: The mystery letter claiming Madeleine had been dumped in the Bravura Dam.
Post by: pathfinder73 on November 24, 2014, 11:06:48 PM
This search was 8 months before the letter.
Madeleine: Police Divers To Trawl Reservoir 12:40, UK, Monday 15 October 2007
A reservoir is being scoured by specialist police divers as the hunt for Madeleine McCann intensifies.
Detectives are said to be preparing to search a 10-mile area around Praia da Luz, where the child vanished on May 3.
The hunt is also focusing on the Barragem da Bravura reservoir, which is around 15 miles away from the Algarve resort.
Paulo Rebelo, the man who is now heading the investigation, has ordered his officers to search the 2.5 mile-wide reservoir.
His investigators are also set to comb a three-mile stretch of coastline and beaches near Praia da Luz.
A spokesman for Madeleine's parents Kate and Gerry McCann said: "Any widening of the search area is encouraging and we welcome it."
The previous investigation team was criticised for not searching properly for Madeleine, who went missing shortly before her fourth birthday.
Mr Rebelo has assembled a team of specialist detectives to boost the investigation, including two murder experts.
Portuguese newspaper Diario De Noticias claimed the search areas were related to mobile phone calls made by Madeleine's parents and their friends.
Madeleine McCann cops 'ignored tip-off that her body was dumped in lake' Nov 24, 2014 22:30 By David Collins
An employee of the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz found it in the doorway of apartment 5A, where Madeleine vanished, on the first anniversary of her disappearance
A letter handed in to Portuguese police claimed to know the final resting place of Madeleine McCann, it has emerged.
An employee of the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz found the letter in the doorway of apartment 5A, where Madeleine vanished, on the first anniversary of her disappearance.
The handyman, who we are not naming but was formerly employed by the holiday resort, immediately handed in the note to the police in May 2008.
He described the letter as being headed: “Madeleine Beth McCann”, with a description below of how she had been dumped in the Barragem da Bravura reservoir, nine miles from the holiday resort.
He said: “It was raining that night so it was soaking wet when I found it. It clearly said Madeleine’s name at the top. It was written in Portuguese.
“Beneath it was a location for what it claimed was her final resting place.
“I spoke to the other staff about it and they said to hand it in to the Portuguese police. I gave it to them, but I have no idea what they did about it.
It is believed that although the surrounding woodland was initially looked at by detectives on the case, there has never been an underwater search of the reservoir.
Tonight a spokesperson for Kate and Gerry McCann said they would “welcome” any new searches of the area.
Clarence Mitchell said: “Kate and Gerry will be informed of what this witness is telling the Daily Mirror.
"We would welcome any new searches. But they cannot comment on any specific detail as that is entirely a matter for Operation Grange and the Portuguese authorities.”
The man-made lake is close to the A22 motorway which runs from Praia da Luz towards the Spanish border.
In October 2007, five months after Madeleine disappeared, officers from the Civil Guard helped search the large area of woodland, which has a lake in the middle supplying water to surrounding towns and villages.
The search was re-ordered by lead investigator Paulo Rebelo, who took over the stalled investigation, after concerns the area had not been searched properly when Madeleine went missing.
Detectives believed it was a possibility the youngster’s body may have been weighed down with rocks and disposed of in the huge expanse of water.
However reports at the time say police, along with specially trained sniffer dogs, spent just two hours at the site and are not thought to have deployed underwater search teams.
One eyewitness, who was there at the time of the search, said: “I never saw any divers physically trawl through that lake. The water is dark and murky and would need to be searched thoroughly.
”It’s so close to Praia da Luz, and such an obvious place to hide a body, that I’m amazed following an actual tip off this hasn’t been done.”
The Portuguese investigation into Madeleine’s disappearance has been widely criticised and is known to have made several serious mistakes, including the failure to close off the apartment which led to the contamination of the crime scene after up to 20 people were allowed inside.
It has previously been reported how a Dutch newspaper was sent an anonymous letter and a map of the area near the same reservoir bearing a cross and the words: “Where Madeleine is buried.”
The desolate Barragem da Bravura lake, or the “Reservoir of the Wilderness”, occupies an area two-and-a-half miles wide and a perimeter of 25 miles.
Only a handful of isolated dwellings dot the beauty spot.
Many of the Ocean Club staff believe the four-year-old could have been taken there after she vanished from the McCanns’ holiday apartment.
In February 2008, a team of divers hired by Portuguese lawyer Marcos Aragao Correia searched the Barragem do Arada reservoir, which is 35 miles east of Praia da Luz.
The human rights lawyer claimed that underworld criminals told him Madeleine was dumped in a nearby lake that was “deserted with lots of trees and a beach area” - however the search came to nothing.
Kate, 46, and Gerry, 45, of Rothley, Leics, were at a tapas bar about 80 yards from their apartment when Madeleine vanished.
Gerry checked on her and her brother and sister at 9.15pm. At 10pm Kate found she had gone.
Police believe seven new possible suspects, five men and two women, may have information.
It has been reported they also plan to re-interview expat Robert Murat, 41, who was cleared by the 2007 inquiry.
A friend of the McCann’s from Rothley, Leics, said they were desperate to find out what had happened to Madeleine and were confident Scotland Yard would “do everything in their power” to unravel the mystery.
The friend said: “They hope police search any potentially significant new place but until there is evidence to suggest otherwise Kate and Gerry remain hopeful that Madeleine could still be alive.
”If an anonymous letter has come to light which suggests their daughter’s body could be in a lake in a barren area not far from Praia da Luz then they know police will be thinking ‘Was this area searched before and do we need to look at it again?’
”They would hope it has been acted on before but if there is new information it will surely be in police hands.”
Former GP Kate and heart doctor Gerry, both 46, rarely comment on the huge multi-million police inquiry ordered by Prime Minister David Cameron.
But in a joint statement released this summer when cops were digging up part of the resort from were three-year-old Maddie was snatched in May 2007, they said: “We are very pleased that significant activity has taken place in Praia da Luz over the last eight days with police officers and support teams from the UK working closely with the Portuguese Policia Judiciaria and the Guarda Nacional Republicana.
”We are further encouraged that, despite intensive searches, no trace of Madeleine has been found and this reinforces our belief that she could still be alive.”
Kate and Gerry’s Portuguese lawyer Isabel Duarte told the Mirror: “They want to know exactly what has happened to their child.”
A Scotland Yard spokesperson refused to comment.
Somebody in Portugal is getting really desperate. Did the Met really waste all that time & money at the wasteland instead of trawling the reservoir?
Title: Re: The mystery letter claiming Madeleine had been dumped in the Bravura Dam.
Post by: faithlilly on November 24, 2014, 11:26:21 PM
Title: Re: The mystery letter claiming Madeleine had been dumped in the Bravura Dam.
Post by: bros on November 24, 2014, 11:30:48 PM
Nice diversion to stop looking for child which is probably live and well since SY stated there are no evidence she is not live. I just love there desperate ideas, it is coming to end.
Title: Re: The mystery letter claiming Madeleine had been dumped in the Bravura Dam.
Post by: pathfinder73 on November 24, 2014, 11:33:12 PM
Somebody in Portugal is getting really desperate. Did the Met really waste all that time & money at the wasteland instead of trawling the reservoir?
There's a video interview with the gardener who said he found the letter on one year anniversary May 2008. That's near to where the Dutch letter said she was buried which I was interested in investigating further. I'm going to look into it.
That weekend 2/3 June is looking suspicious. One month after her disappearance.
SAT 2 June 2007 14:14 Ladeira do Vau (a mile to the North of Portimao) { 2 hours 21 minutes gap } 16:35 Praia Rocha Este (Beach to the South of Portimao) Last ping in Praia da Rocha at 19:48 Reach Lagos Norte at 20:11 { 2.5 hour gap } Next ping at 22:46 back in PdL Centro
I'm going to double check these phone gaps.
Title: Re: The mystery letter claiming Madeleine had been dumped in the Bravura Dam.
Post by: Alfred R Jones on November 24, 2014, 11:37:26 PM
There's a video interview with the gardener who said he found the letter on one year anniversary May 2008. That's near to where the Dutch letter said she was buried which I was interested in investigating further. I'm going to look into it.
That weekend 2/3 June is looking suspicious. One month after her disappearance.
SAT 2 June 2007 14:14 Ladeira do Vau (a mile to the North of Portimao) { 2 hours 21 minutes gap } 16:35 Praia Rocha Este (Beach to the South of Portimao) Last ping in Praia da Rocha at 19:48 Reach Lagos Norte at 20:11 { 2.5 hour gap } Next ping at 22:46 back in PdL Centro
I'm going to double check these phone gaps.
This area seems not much habited. It would be easy to get the phone masts data from the area in the days of Madeleine's disappearance and compare it with the data for PDL for May 3. They can write a program to search for every day for several months.. If they find a match then this can be pretty big..
Title: Re: The mystery letter claiming Madeleine had been dumped in the Bravura Dam.
Post by: misty on November 25, 2014, 12:00:33 AM
Is it only me.. the gardener video makes me feel uneasy..
No, it's not just you. The 2nd video is garbled & makes no real sense. Is he saying someone saw him there "with the boys" in a white van on the day Madeleine went missing? Does he know Dan who did the gardening for Jenny Murat?
Title: Re: The mystery letter claiming Madeleine had been dumped in the Bravura Dam.
Post by: pathfinder73 on November 25, 2014, 12:05:03 AM
Detectives visited Father Jose at his parents’ home in Odiaxere, about 10 miles from Praia da Luz and close to the Barragem da Bravura lake which detectives searched last month for the body of the missing four-year-old girl.
MADELEINE: POLICE QUIZ PRIEST AGAIN Tuesday November 20,2007 By Nick Fagge in Praia da Luz
Wait a minute! Wasn't this lake searched for days using private funds by this guy who was the solicitor for Cipriano mother? Carreira something?
Different one as Eleanor said.
Marcos Aragao Correia is thought to be spending more than £1,000 a day to keep up the dive hunt at the Barragem do Arade reservoir.
Title: Re: The mystery letter claiming Madeleine had been dumped in the Bravura Dam.
Post by: Anna on November 25, 2014, 12:22:55 AM
Old News CDM
Rebelo takes 6 new inspectors for the Maddie case by José Manuel Oliveira 14 outubro 2007 PJ will make new searches within a radius of 15 km from Praia da Luz The brigade inspectors now led by Paulo Rebelo in case Madeleine McCann and reinforced by six elements of various central departments shall, in the coming days, focus their research in areas located within a 15 kilometer radius of action from the The Ocean apartment Club, where the English child on vacation with her parents and twin brothers. Will be the resumption of work in the days following the disappearance of Maddie - when the abduction theory was then considered the most consistent - days after the national director of the Judicial Police (PJ), Alipio Ribeiro, having said that are open all lines of research and so far nothing is conclusive about the disappearance of British child, on 3 May, in Praia da Luz. The surrounding area of the dam Bravery in Odiáxere, dominated large areas of forest and detached houses from the site of Pincho, north of Lagos municipality, is one that continues to deserve particular attention of the police. However, other areas located south of The Ocean Club, next to the beach of the town of Light and to the area of Burgau, shall be re-passed the comb by inspectors, and in particular where communications were detected through mobile phones made by the couple McCann and friends with whom they spent their holidays in the Algarve. For now, the new Madeleine case coordinator and head of the Criminal Investigation Department (CID) of Portimão PJ, Paulo Rebelo, which has an adjusted working group for this process and consists of more than a dozen inspectors, is to find out all the details of action developed by his colleagues over the last five months of the middle. Has learned the DN, Rebelo want to deepen some "loose ends" that considers the reports already exist in their power over this investigation. This is an investigator "with extensive experience and very meticulous," say police sources. The apartment where Maddie disappeared again be ana- lysed for at least two consecutive, by inspectors, early last week. In the coming days, the team of Paulo Rebelo should return there. http://www.dn.pt/especiais/interior.aspx?content_id=978749&especial=Caso Maddie&seccao=SOCIEDADE
Title: Re: The mystery letter claiming Madeleine had been dumped in the Bravura Dam.
Post by: pathfinder73 on November 25, 2014, 12:23:16 AM
Was he aware he was being filmed? I don't think he was.
No it doesn't look like he knew.
Title: Re: The mystery letter claiming Madeleine had been dumped in the Bravura Dam.
Post by: pegasus on November 25, 2014, 12:24:11 AM
In the video the man does not say "on 3 May 2008" and does not say "on the doorstep". I trust what I actually hear the witness saying. And never trust what a UK newspaper adds over and above what a witness actually says. This guy is 100% honest. But you can't trust UK newspapers to get things right. (Look at their smithman route for example) IMO this note was probably found and handed to PJ in Oct 2007. Happy to be proven wrong and in this case I might be. Do we have weather 3 May 2008?
Title: Re: The mystery letter claiming Madeleine had been dumped in the Bravura Dam.
Post by: pegasus on November 25, 2014, 12:45:14 AM
@Anna thanks for that 14 Oct article, interesting, north/northeast and far away, they are are the exact opposites of, nearby and southwest.
Title: Re: The mystery letter claiming Madeleine had been dumped in the Bravura Dam.
Post by: lordpookles on November 25, 2014, 12:45:20 AM
Yeah Brietta it looks like he was filmed from across the road in secret. They maybe offered him some $ so he agrees to talk and doesn't know the cameras are there...
So what quantifiably makes him seem creepy? Not that he isn't shifty. The found note makes me suspicious, but any freak could do that for kicks and he rightly gives it in to the police.
Title: Re: The mystery letter claiming Madeleine had been dumped in the Bravura Dam.
Post by: pathfinder73 on November 25, 2014, 12:47:08 AM
45. Given the number of days that had passed since the disappearance of Madeleine McCann it was considered appropriate to request help from the Lagos Voluntary Firemen who took part in the operations, and on this day carried out searches as the Bravura dam, situated to the north of Odeaxere, using their aquatic equipment, considering that a body that has fallen or been thrown into water tends to surface after 72 hours, this team searched all the branches of the dam using an outboard motor and found nothing suspicious.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GNR_SNIFFER.htm
Title: Re: The mystery letter claiming Madeleine had been dumped in the Bravura Dam.
Post by: pegasus on November 25, 2014, 01:32:19 AM
Does the paper claim the note was found 3rd May 2008? I do not hear the the witness saying the date and I always questions details added by the paper. Have the paper misunderstood and misprinted the wrong date? Don't know about all the rest of the day but at exactly 7.43pm it was not raining and the sky looked clear.
Title: Re: The mystery letter claiming Madeleine had been dumped in the Bravura Dam.
Post by: pathfinder73 on November 25, 2014, 01:38:14 AM
This is what it said:
The handyman, who we are not naming but was formerly employed by the holiday resort, immediately handed in the note to the police in May 2008.
Title: Re: The mystery letter claiming Madeleine had been dumped in the Bravura Dam.
Post by: pegasus on November 25, 2014, 01:41:22 AM
I thought one UK media report claimed it was found on the one year anniversary of the event?
May is one year. They are always looking for better headlines. Only the PJ will know the actual date. I doubt he would remember the actual date.
Title: Re: The mystery letter claiming Madeleine had been dumped in the Bravura Dam.
Post by: pegasus on November 25, 2014, 01:53:45 AM
The Mirror claims it was found "on the first anniversary". That's a day not a month. I am claiming that at 7.43pm on that day it was not raining and the sky was clear, also at one point earlier that day twas blazing sunshine. The witness is 100% honest, I am thinking a journo has misunderstood and written a wrong date. It makes much more sense if it was found Oct 2007 doesn't it? (I might be wrong)
Title: Re: The mystery letter claiming Madeleine had been dumped in the Bravura Dam.
Post by: misty on November 25, 2014, 01:58:09 AM
The Mirror claims it was found "on the first anniversary". That's a day not a month. I am claiming that at 7.43pm on that day it was not raining and the sky was clear, also at one point earlier that day twas blazing sunshine. The witness is 100% honest, I am thinking a journo has misunderstood and written a wrong date. It makes much more sense if it was found Oct 2007 doesn't it? (I might be wrong)
It makes even more sense that he's telling fibs. Nice head of hair for a 60 year-old.
Title: Re: The mystery letter claiming Madeleine had been dumped in the Bravura Dam.
Post by: pegasus on November 25, 2014, 02:05:52 AM
I find him to be extremely straight and honest talking to reporter, I questioning only the newspaper's accuracy, not the witness.
Isn't he breaching the official secrecy law?
Title: Re: The mystery letter claiming Madeleine had been dumped in the Bravura Dam.
Post by: pegasus on November 25, 2014, 02:19:08 AM
@pathfinder Well done, as I said blazing sunshine during the day. But its later in the day we need isn't it? Try this, as you can clearly see it is exactly 7.43 PM
Title: Re: The mystery letter claiming Madeleine had been dumped in the Bravura Dam.
Post by: pathfinder73 on November 25, 2014, 02:30:30 AM
Well done, as I said blazing sunshine during the day. But its later in the day we need isn't it? Try this, as you can clearly see it is exactly 7.43 PM
It may have been lying there a few days.
He works on Wednesday - Check 30 April and 7/14/21/28 May weather. A rainy Wednesday.
"He works for the Ocean Club, every week on Wednesdays."
Title: Re: The mystery letter claiming Madeleine had been dumped in the Bravura Dam.
Post by: pegasus on November 25, 2014, 02:38:03 AM
But isn't the ground dry in those 3 may 2008 photos? IMO it is likely to be October 2007 latest.
Title: Re: The mystery letter claiming Madeleine had been dumped in the Bravura Dam.
Post by: pegasus on November 25, 2014, 02:51:17 AM
@pathfinder thanks for mentioning wednesdays IMO the witness said "anniversary" to journo. Maybe journo misunderstood and incorrectly added the words "one year"? When witness was actually referring to a x month anniversary. Check all the monthly anniversaries in the first year, only one is on a wednesday, and it is .... Oct 3rd. Time for a weather check ETA Faro Oct 3 no rain, woops looks like I was wrong ETA or maybe right. Sagres Oct 1st 7.87mm, Oct 2nd 3.05mm, that's a very soggifying amount of rain, just before the only anniversary which fell on a wednesday.
Title: Re: The mystery letter claiming Madeleine had been dumped in the Bravura Dam.
Post by: sadie on November 25, 2014, 03:04:20 AM
Why don't you read back a few pages and find out? The gardener said he found the letter on a video interview posted by the Daily Mirror and it was handed in to the police.
Title: Re: The mystery letter claiming Madeleine had been dumped in the Bravura Dam.
Post by: Carana on November 25, 2014, 12:21:13 PM
Not everything in the files has been released, of course.
But I can't think why something like that would be withheld.
There was an initial search of the dam (organised by the GNR major), with a boat checking the surface of the water based on the idea that a body would float to the surface, but nothing that I can find about divers or specialist equipment to check for a potentially weighted-down body.
Title: Re: The mystery letter claiming Madeleine had been dumped in the Bravura Dam.
Post by: pathfinder73 on November 25, 2014, 12:38:05 PM
I can't find anything in the files about police divers searching the dam for the moment.
45. Given the number of days that had passed since the disappearance of Madeleine McCann it was considered appropriate to request help from the Lagos Voluntary Firemen who took part in the operations, and on this day carried out searches as the Bravura dam, situated to the north of Odeaxere, using their aquatic equipment, considering that a body that has fallen or been thrown into water tends to surface after 72 hours, this team searched all the branches of the dam using an outboard motor and found nothing suspicious.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GNR_SNIFFER.htm
It wasn't properly searched with divers i.e. body weighed down with rocks.
Title: Re: The mystery letter claiming Madeleine had been dumped in the Bravura Dam.
Post by: Carana on November 25, 2014, 12:44:55 PM
45. Given the number of days that had passed since the disappearance of Madeleine McCann it was considered appropriate to request help from the Lagos Voluntary Firemen who took part in the operations, and on this day carried out searches as the Bravura dam, situated to the north of Odeaxere, using their aquatic equipment, considering that a body that has fallen or been thrown into water tends to surface after 72 hours, this team searched all the branches of the dam using an outboard motor and found nothing suspicious.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GNR_SNIFFER.htm
It wasn't properly searched with divers i.e. body weighed down with rocks.
Yes, thanks, I'd found that... but not the claimed later search (cf Anna's CdaM article and the Sky one). I reckon the media just copied each other again and it didn't actually take place. I've searched through everything I could think of, but I haven't found anything yet about divers.
Title: Re: The mystery letter claiming Madeleine had been dumped in the Bravura Dam.
Post by: Victoria on November 25, 2014, 01:25:01 PM
45. Given the number of days that had passed since the disappearance of Madeleine McCann it was considered appropriate to request help from the Lagos Voluntary Firemen who took part in the operations, and on this day carried out searches as the Bravura dam, situated to the north of Odeaxere, using their aquatic equipment, considering that a body that has fallen or been thrown into water tends to surface after 72 hours, this team searched all the branches of the dam using an outboard motor and found nothing suspicious.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GNR_SNIFFER.htm
It wasn't properly searched with divers i.e. body weighed down with rocks.
Skimming around on the surface whilst ignoring the substantially greater depths below seems like a pretty accurate metaphore for the entire Amaral investigation, unfortunately.
Title: Re: The mystery letter claiming Madeleine had been dumped in the Bravura Dam.
Post by: pathfinder73 on November 25, 2014, 01:38:04 PM
Madeleine McCann's family 'would welcome' fresh search of lake close to holiday resort where she vanished amid claims her body may have been dumped there
Rain-sodden letter found on first anniversary of Madeleine's disappearance Note was discovered outside room where three-year-old vanished in 2007 Claimed her body had been dumped in the Barragem da Bravura reservoir Letter immediately given to police but underwater search 'never took place'
By JOHN HALL FOR MAILONLINE PUBLISHED: 12:47 GMT, 25 November 2014 | UPDATED: 12:49 GMT, 25 November 2014
Madeleine McCann's family say they 'would welcome' a fresh search of a man-made lake close to the holiday resort where the three-year-old was taken, amid claims her body may have been dumped there. A rain-sodden letter reportedly discovered outside the room from which she vanished on the first anniversary of her disappearance contained details of what it claimed was her final resting place. A handyman who discovered the note is said to have immediately handed it to the Portuguese police, but it is understood that a full underwater search of the Barragem da Bravura reservoir - which lies nine miles from the Ocean Club resort in Praia da Luz - has never been carried out. Despite the claims made in the letter, there remains no evidence to suggest Madeleine is dead, and her parents Gerry and Kate McCann still cling to the hope that she will one day be found alive.
The letter containing allegations relating to Madeleine's disappearance was discovered by a handyman on the rain-soaked doorstep of the Ocean Club's room 5A - the room from which Madeleine went missing - according to the Mirror. It was found on the the night of May 3, 2008 - a year to the day of Madeleine's disappearance.
The letter is understood to have been headed 'Madeleine Beth McCann' but otherwise written in Portuguese. It reportedly started with a description of her being dumped in the Barragem da Bravura reservoir which it described as her 'final resting place'. 'I spoke to the other staff about it and they said to hand it in to the Portuguese police. I gave it to them, but I have no idea what they did about it,' the handyman told the newspaper. He went on to describe Barragem da Bravura as 'the perfect place to hide a body'.
The woodland area surrounding the reservoir is understood to have been searched several months before the emergence of the letter but no underwater investigation was carried out. Following the discovery of the note, a two-hour second search was carried out using sniffer dogs, but eyewitnesses reportedly claim that police divers were still not deployed. A spokesperson for Kate and Gerry McCann said they would 'welcome' any new searches of the Barragem da Bravura and the surrounding woodland. Clarence Mitchell said: 'Kate and Gerry will be informed of what this witness is telling the Daily Mirror. 'We would welcome any new searches. But they cannot comment on any specific detail as that is entirely a matter for Operation Grange and the Portuguese authorities.'
Last week a Portuguese newspaper claimed that police investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann want to question British ex-pat Robert Murat. Scotland Yard detectives want to speak to several potential witnesses including Mr Murat, who was previously questioned by Portuguese police after Madeleine vanished in 2007 just before her fourth birthday, the newspaper Jornal de Noticias reported. Mr Murat, 41, who has always denied any involvement in Madeleine's disappearance, said neither he nor his lawyer had been contacted by police, but said he would co-operate if contacted. Mr Murat was named as an arguido – a person of interest or suspect - during the Portuguese investigation seven years ago, as were Madeleine's parents Kate and Gerry McCann. All three were later cleared when the Portuguese investigation ended in 2008. Scotland Yard launched its own investigation and its inquiry team travelled to Praia da Luz to conduct searches and observe Portuguese police interviews. Read more: Madeleine McCann cops ignored tip-off that her body was dumped in lake - Mirror Online
So why are they keeping his name secret? He has done nothing wrong by handing a found note in.
Did someone find that note in 5A doorway .... or is it a red herring laid by someone?
To discourage people from searching for a living Madeleine?
It's the gardener. Why should he have his name in the press or in forums? He hasn't been found to do anything wrong. You shouldn't be posting his name. You can find him easily in the files yourself.
Title: Re: The mystery letter claiming Madeleine had been dumped in the Bravura Dam.
Post by: pegasus on November 25, 2014, 02:13:46 PM
Weather on the one year anniversary 3rd May 2008 and the preceding night Sagres http://www.tutiempo.net/en/Climate/SAGRES/05-2008/85330.htm Faro http://www.tutiempo.net/en/Climate/Faro_Aeroporto/05-2008/85540.htm PP = Precipitation amount (mm) = zero And there are photos of that day in PDL showing ground dry, sunshine, little cloud, no rain. The witness is 100% honest. The incorrect date is something the UK paper has added wrongly IMO. (IMO it is probably exactly 7 months out).
Title: Re: The mystery letter claiming Madeleine had been dumped in the Bravura Dam.
Post by: pathfinder73 on November 25, 2014, 02:16:39 PM
Check Wednesdays for rain.
Title: Re: The mystery letter claiming Madeleine had been dumped in the Bravura Dam.
Post by: Carana on November 25, 2014, 02:18:34 PM
So why are they keeping his name secret? He has done nothing wrong by handing a found note in.
Did someone find that note in 5A doorway .... or is it a red herring laid by someone?
To discourage people from searching for a living Madeleine?
The guy probably doesn't want to be named. Who would? He may well be on the ever-changing list of people that the Met would like to be interviewed and even if he isn't, he may well not want amateur sleuths googling him for 500 hours or the press camped outside his home.
If it turns out that a letter did exist (although how it would have been legible if sodden remains to be explained), it could have been left by someone who had a suspicion but who didn't want to become embroiled for whatever reason.
Title: Re: The mystery letter claiming Madeleine had been dumped in the Bravura Dam.
Post by: pegasus on November 25, 2014, 02:32:21 PM
Here is the correct date Pathfinder It was found daytime Wednesday 3rd Oct 2007 IMO Because although didn't rain at Faro, it rained a lot the previous two days at Sagres. IMO this rain covered PDL also, extending into night of 2nd Oct. http://www.tutiempo.net/en/Climate/SAGRES/10-2007/85330.htm
Title: Re: The mystery letter claiming Madeleine had been dumped in the Bravura Dam.
Post by: VIXTE on November 25, 2014, 02:53:02 PM
It would be better if they searched the phone data for May 2007 covering this area and see whether there is a match of any number used in PDL and also here..
Title: Re: The mystery letter claiming Madeleine had been dumped in the Bravura Dam.
Post by: pegasus on November 25, 2014, 03:22:41 PM
It would be better if they searched the phone data for May 2007 covering this area and see whether there is a match of any number used in PDL and also here..
Answering on another thread
Title: Re: The mystery letter claiming Madeleine had been dumped in the Bravura Dam.
Post by: jassi on November 25, 2014, 06:17:05 PM
One assumes that SY know about this letter and have either discounted it or are waiting for warmer weather before donning their swimming trunks.
Title: Re: The mystery letter claiming Madeleine had been dumped in the Bravura Dam.
Post by: Victoria on November 25, 2014, 06:43:34 PM
Skimming around on the surface whilst ignoring the substantially greater depths below seems like a pretty accurate metaphore for the entire Amaral investigation, unfortunately.
Do we know the contours of the lake? Diving at depths in excess of 30m becomes a bit complex. It is not like p****ng about with a snorkel in your local swimming pool. Not to say it can't be done but it needs a load of money, men and equipment chucked at it. Work out the rest for yourself.
Title: Re: The mystery letter claiming Madeleine had been dumped in the Bravura Dam.
Post by: jassi on November 25, 2014, 07:29:59 PM
Might prove a bit deep for the dogs.
Title: Re: The mystery letter claiming Madeleine had been dumped in the Bravura Dam.
Post by: Carana on November 25, 2014, 08:07:55 PM
If that dam is indeed deep and murky, I doubt that divers alone could have conducted a comprehensive search. It would have required specialist skills and sonar equipment, IMO, which may not have been considered proportionate in the absence of reliable intelligence at the time.
Perhaps the UK could have offered those services earlier on (and perhaps may have done), but Amaral seemed to be suspicious of the UK police from the start.
I find that sad. There is no shame in accepting assistance - it happens in natural disasters all the time, for example, wherever they may occur.
Title: Re: The mystery letter claiming Madeleine had been dumped in the Bravura Dam.
Post by: bros on November 25, 2014, 09:00:04 PM
SY is behind investigation its a whole country resources on this domestic and foreign. Airborne low frequency sonar today can detect wedding ring on the bottom of the river. They are also not dumb when someone is trying cheap tricks.
Title: Re: The mystery letter claiming Madeleine had been dumped in the Bravura Dam.
Post by: Anna on November 25, 2014, 09:19:06 PM
If that dam is indeed deep and murky, I doubt that divers alone could have conducted a comprehensive search. It would have required specialist skills and sonar equipment, IMO, which may not have been considered proportionate in the absence of reliable intelligence at the time.
Perhaps the UK could have offered those services earlier on (and perhaps may have done), but Amaral seemed to be suspicious of the UK police from the start.
I find that sad. There is no shame in accepting assistance - it happens in natural disasters all the time, for example, wherever they may occur.
Divers search lake and it looks like the same one, but not enough divers, I would have thought http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1577580/Divers-search-lake-for-Madeleine-McCann.html
Title: Re: The mystery letter claiming Madeleine had been dumped in the Bravura Dam.
Post by: Victoria on November 25, 2014, 09:23:49 PM
Divers search lake and it looks like the same one, but not enough divers, I would have thought http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1577580/Divers-search-lake-for-Madeleine-McCann.html
It's not the same one.
Title: Re: The mystery letter claiming Madeleine had been dumped in the Bravura Dam.
Post by: Anna on November 25, 2014, 09:33:09 PM
If that dam is indeed deep and murky, I doubt that divers alone could have conducted a comprehensive search. It would have required specialist skills and sonar equipment, IMO, which may not have been considered proportionate in the absence of reliable intelligence at the time.
Perhaps the UK could have offered those services earlier on (and perhaps may have done), but Amaral seemed to be suspicious of the UK police from the start.
I find that sad. There is no shame in accepting assistance - it happens in natural disasters all the time, for example, wherever they may occur.
Right on baby.
Title: Re: The mystery letter claiming Madeleine had been dumped in the Bravura Dam.
Post by: Anna on November 25, 2014, 10:14:38 PM
Barragem appears to mean dam or reservoir in Portuguese.
the other lake was also a reservoir, but closer to PDL, I believe. Reminds me of the murdered woman found many years later in the lake district, by a couple of divers who found her by accident whilst enjoying a diving session. She was in a weighted bag.
Title: Re: The mystery letter claiming Madeleine had been dumped in the Bravura Dam.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on November 25, 2014, 10:22:31 PM
the other lake was also a reservoir, but closer to PDL, I believe. Reminds me of the murdered woman found many years later in the lake district, by a couple of divers who found her by accident whilst enjoying a diving session. She was in a weighted bag.
If you remembered correctly there was one in Coniston Water and one in Wastw..er. One with a wedding ring and one without a wedding ring.
Title: Re: The mystery letter claiming Madeleine had been dumped in the Bravura Dam.
Post by: Victoria on November 26, 2014, 09:49:48 AM
the other lake was also a reservoir, but closer to PDL, I believe. Reminds me of the murdered woman found many years later in the lake district, by a couple of divers who found her by accident whilst enjoying a diving session. She was in a weighted bag.
Yes, I remember that case too.
In this case, the lake that was searched wasn't searched thoroughly, since as I understand it, the man who was funding the search couldn't afford a meticulous trawl of the whole lake and so the divers he paid for only covered a small section.
Between the two lakes, there is an incredible amount of water that has never been searched.
Title: Re: The mystery letter claiming Madeleine had been dumped in the Bravura Dam.
Post by: Alice Purjorick on November 26, 2014, 11:04:48 AM
In this case, the lake that was searched wasn't searched thoroughly, since as I understand it, the man who was funding the search couldn't afford a meticulous trawl of the whole lake and so the divers he paid for only covered a small section.
Between the two lakes, there is an incredible amount of water that has never been searched.
It would be difficult not to remember it. It being the subject of a Channel 5 programme broadcast last night 8(>((
Title: Re: The mystery letter claiming Madeleine had been dumped in the Bravura Dam.
Post by: Victoria on November 26, 2014, 11:07:46 AM
Divers search lake and it looks like the same one, but not enough divers, I would have thought http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1577580/Divers-search-lake-for-Madeleine-McCann.html
That's Barragem do Arade (the one Correia had searched).
Title: Re: The mystery letter claiming Madeleine had been dumped in the Bravura Dam.
Post by: pathfinder73 on November 26, 2014, 11:30:47 AM
After seven years I fear there would be little left to find.
Whoever done it will be getting life regardless of the body condition.
Title: Re: The mystery letter claiming Madeleine had been dumped in the Bravura Dam.
Post by: pathfinder73 on November 28, 2014, 02:24:37 PM
Dogs will find anything. They are simply amazing. Watch this!
Title: Re: The mystery letter claiming Madeleine had been dumped in the Bravura Dam.
Post by: pegasus on November 29, 2014, 04:40:30 PM
The mirror have misunderstood. The note was not found on 3 May 2008 that is rubbish and its impossible. IMO the note was found on 3 Oct 2007. And yes Rebelo IMO did take it seriously - he diverted resources away from the area just southwest of PDL, to search the area of the reservoir, as you can read in press reports of Oct 2007. When those Oct 2007 reports have a "source" saying the searches around the reservoir were "not based on any specific lead", peeps really should have learned by now, to not trust that source IMO.
Title: Re: The mystery letter claiming Madeleine had been dumped in the Bravura Dam.
Post by: pegasus on November 29, 2014, 04:53:54 PM
Re my note found Oct 3 theory.
Those who think there were "forces behind the scenes deliberately diverting the investigation" could easily come up with the following
"Great, got him sacked this morning, lets waste no time, from day one lets send the replacement leading detective on the wrong track, gisabitofpaperanapen, oh and grab your coat, its p***ing down"
Purely hypothetical of course
Title: Re: The mystery letter claiming Madeleine had been dumped in the Bravura Dam.
Post by: pathfinder73 on November 29, 2014, 05:07:25 PM
Why wasn't the letter mentioned in any of the October reports? But rather mobile tracking.
Title: Re: The mystery letter claiming Madeleine had been dumped in the Bravura Dam.
Post by: pegasus on November 29, 2014, 05:22:56 PM
Why wasn't the letter mentioned in any of the October reports? But rather mobile tracking.
In those Oct 2007 newspaper reports, read carefully, the phone tracking was pointing southwest. The sudden decision to search around the reservoir diverted PJ resources away from the areas indicated by the ping data, and away from PDL itself, IMO.
Title: Re: The mystery letter claiming Madeleine had been dumped in the Bravura Dam.
Post by: pegasus on November 29, 2014, 08:08:25 PM
This paragraph states where the PJ were searching in Oct 2007 based on phone forensics
"Sites to the south of the Ocean Club where the McCanns and their friends stayed, including Luz and Burgau beaches, are also to be 'fine combed' by inspectors, who will particularly focus on spots where the British group used their mobile telephones"
And here is where much of the PJ resources were suddenly diverted to, and there were no pings there
"Rebelo has ordered his reinforced team to pay 'special attention' to the area around the jagged reservoir, which has a 25 mile perimeter, and is 15 miles from Luz"
IMO Rebelo's Oct 2007 search of the area around this reservoir was based directly on the note.
I am surprised that even pathfinder who knows beyond doubt that the ground in PDL was dry on 3 May 2008 and even helped by posting undeniable photographic proof, is still going along with manipulation in the UK press which falsely places the find on a completely dry day in the wrong month and wrong year, so it can falsely twist the story to wrongly criticise the PJ.
IMO the soggy note was probably found about 2pm to 3pm Wed 3 Oct and had been deposited there evening Tue 2 Oct after dark.
Source of quoted passages http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1566115/Madeleine-McCann-police-to-trawl-reservoir.html
Title: Re: The mystery letter claiming Madeleine had been dumped in the Bravura Dam.
Post by: pathfinder73 on November 29, 2014, 08:24:24 PM
This paragraph states where the PJ were searching in Oct 2007 based on phone forensics
"Sites to the south of the Ocean Club where the McCanns and their friends stayed, including Luz and Burgau beaches, are also to be 'fine combed' by inspectors, who will particularly focus on spots where the British group used their mobile telephones"
And here is where much of the PJ resources were suddenly diverted to, and there were no pings there
"Rebelo has ordered his reinforced team to pay 'special attention' to the area around the jagged reservoir, which has a 25 mile perimeter, and is 15 miles from Luz"
IMO Rebelo's Oct 2007 search of the area around this reservoir was based directly on the note.
I am surprised that even pathfinder who knows beyond doubt that the ground in PDL was dry on 3 May 2008 and even helped by posting undeniable photographic proof, is still going along with manipulation in the UK press which falsely places the find on a completely dry day in the wrong month and wrong year, so it can falsely twist the story to wrongly criticise the PJ.
IMO the soggy note was probably found about 2pm to 3pm Wed 3 Oct and had been deposited there evening Tue 2 Oct after dark.
Source of quoted passages http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1566115/Madeleine-McCann-police-to-trawl-reservoir.html
I've posted the October report on this thread. It said the location was chosen from mobile records. But it's a newspaper report so you can't be sure. That reservoir is an obvious location being near to PDL. The dodgy lawyer and Metodo 3 searched another one with divers much further away in Silves. You can't say when the letter was found. Only the PJ will know the day it was found. So why isn't it in the files?
Title: Re: The mystery letter claiming Madeleine had been dumped in the Bravura Dam.
Post by: pegasus on November 29, 2014, 08:38:34 PM
I've posted the October report on this thread. It said the location was chosen from mobile records. But it's a newspaper report so you can't be sure. That reservoir is an obvious location being near to PDL. The dodgy lawyer and Metodo 3 searched another one with divers much further away in Silves. You can't say when the letter was found. Only the PJ will know the day it was found. So why isn't it in the files?
1. Please can you post again just the link to the Oct 2007 news report which says the Barragem De Bravura search was based on phone data. 2. Some post-Amaral evidence does appear in the published files (for example the golfbag sighting) but I think most of it doesn't.
Title: Re: The mystery letter claiming Madeleine had been dumped in the Bravura Dam.
Post by: pathfinder73 on November 29, 2014, 08:44:43 PM
1. Please can you post again just the link to the Oct 2007 news report which says the Barragem De Bravura search was based on phone data. 2. Some post-Amaral evidence does appear in the published files (for example the golfbag sighting) but I think most of it doesn't.
Portuguese newspaper Diario De Noticias claimed the search areas were related to mobile phone calls made by Madeleine's parents and their friends.
That report describes TWO very different search areas "Barragem da Bravura reservoir" and "a three-mile stretch of coastline and beaches near Praia da Luz".
IMO "related to mobile phone calls" applies only to the PDL-Burgau coast searches. Time to find the original Diario De Noticias article.
Title: Re: The mystery letter claiming Madeleine had been dumped in the Bravura Dam.
Post by: pathfinder73 on November 29, 2014, 08:54:28 PM
That report describes TWO very different search areas "Barragem da Bravura reservoir" and "a three-mile stretch of coastline and beaches near Praia da Luz".
IMO "related to mobile phone calls" applies only to the PDL-Burgau coast searches. Time to find the original Diario De Noticias article.
Yes find the original article. That will be useful.
Title: Re: The mystery letter claiming Madeleine had been dumped in the Bravura Dam.
Post by: pegasus on November 29, 2014, 09:02:09 PM
The Sky article is copied from but has changed the meaning of the original Diário de Notícias article re phone data.
Here in the original Diário de Notícias article of 14 Oct 2007 is the only reference to the phone data "Contudo, outras zonas localizadas a sul do The Ocean Club, junto ao areal da localidade da Luz e até à zona de Burgau, deverão voltar a ser passadas a pente fino pelos inspectores, nomeadamente os locais onde foram detectadas comunicações através de telemóveis..."
Translated: "However, other areas located south of The Ocean Club, next to Praia Da Luz and to the area of Burgau, will be searched by inspectors, in particular where communications were detected through mobile phones..."
So the phone data applied only to the search of the PDL to Burgau coastline, (and not to the search at Barragem de Bravura)
Title: Re: The mystery letter claiming Madeleine had been dumped in the Bravura Dam.
Post by: ShiningInLuz on December 12, 2014, 05:01:23 PM
I haven't read this thread but I will do when I get time.
The rain-sodden note does not exist now and did not exist then.
Details. Please go to shininginluz.wordpress.com and look at The Barragem Da Bravura Note.
Summary. You can check the weather before and after 3rd May 2008. It was bone dry, thus no rain-sodden anything. The barragem do Arade was the hot topic in Feb 2008.
Since I don't know where Madeleine is, and since I have not searched either barragem, I cannot rule either barragem out. But the note is a figment of imagination that should have been quickly discarded.
Even if rain-sodden-note-on-1st-anniversary sells copy.
Title: Re: The mystery letter claiming Madeleine had been dumped in the Bravura Dam.
Post by: pegasus on December 13, 2014, 01:42:55 AM
@ShiningInLuz Correct it was not 3rd May 2008. That date is UK tabloid invented rubbish. If you listen to the words the witness says in the 2 videos guess what - he in fact never says he found it on 3rd May 2008. That date is a serious error which the UK tabloid have added. I've already pointed out the note was most likely found on 3rd Oct 2007. Check whether that was a workday for the witness. And check the weather - I can give you great weather link if you want. And check if there were searches at Barragem Bravura shortly afterwards. You will find that you easily tick all 3 boxes.
Title: Re: The mystery letter claiming Madeleine had been dumped in the Bravura Dam.
Post by: ShiningInLuz on December 13, 2014, 04:42:59 AM
I will check out the other two points in quick order.
But here is the third. The PJ check of the Barragem do Arade was a few days after Madeleine went missing. It was a surface sweep check, based upon the presumption that by then a dead body would have come to the surface.
It is the one and only reference in the files to barragem do arade.
Date of the story of gardener rain-note-tale is widely reported as 1st anniversary. Original report. Repeat reports. Now digging around - how many dates do I have to rule out? *&(+(+
Title: Re: The mystery letter claiming Madeleine had been dumped in the Bravura Dam.
Post by: pegasus on December 14, 2014, 03:22:02 PM
I will check out the other two points in quick order.
But here is the third. The PJ check of the Barragem do Arade was a few days after Madeleine went missing. It was a surface sweep check, based upon the presumption that by then a dead body would have come to the surface.
It is the one and only reference in the files to barragem do arade.
Date of the story of gardener rain-note-tale is widely reported as 1st anniversary. Original report. Repeat reports. Now digging around - how many dates do I have to rule out? *&(+(+
"Anniversary" is not in the the audio of the two videos, however the tabloid did add the word "anniversary" in text to their article, therefore it is likely the witness did say to the tabloid something about finding it on an anniversary, but IMO the tabloid has misinterpreted this as meaning 1-year anniversary when IMO it was an anniversary of a an exact number of calendar months (or of an exact round number of days).
The witness worked at this location Wednesday afternoons about 2pm to 4pm (statement in files).
In videos he says the note was soggy and that it rained the preceding night.
I already posted excellent weather rainfall source for Sagres. And me and pathfinder posted the balloon photos showing the ground in PDL was dry on the 1-year anniversary.
Witness says in video there was a delay before handing note to police. (He showed it to work colleagues and they persuaded him to hand it in). It is ludicrous to assume Rebelo would ignore the note. Therefore we look for when there was a sudden decision to search around Barragem de Bravura - and there was only one such decision - about Oct 13th.
Therefore it is even possible to deduce the delay of handing in the note, which IMO was about 7 to 10 days.
Do you have link for a search at Arade in early May 2007 please?
Title: Re: The mystery letter claiming Madeleine had been dumped in the Bravura Dam.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on December 17, 2014, 08:13:57 PM
"Anniversary" is not in the the audio of the two videos, however the tabloid did add the word "anniversary" in text to their article, therefore it is likely the witness did say to the tabloid something about finding it on an anniversary, but IMO the tabloid has misinterpreted this as meaning 1-year anniversary when IMO it was an anniversary of a an exact number of calendar months (or of an exact round number of days).
The witness worked at this location Wednesday afternoons about 2pm to 4pm (statement in files).
In videos he says the note was soggy and that it rained the preceding night.
I already posted excellent weather rainfall source for Sagres. And me and pathfinder posted the balloon photos showing the ground in PDL was dry on the 1-year anniversary.
Witness says in video there was a delay before handing note to police. (He showed it to work colleagues and they persuaded him to hand it in). It is ludicrous to assume Rebelo would ignore the note. Therefore we look for when there was a sudden decision to search around Barragem de Bravura - and there was only one such decision - about Oct 13th.
Therefore it is even possible to deduce the delay of handing in the note, which IMO was about 7 to 10 days.
Do you have link for a search at Arade in early May 2007 please?
I have mixed up my two barragems, therefore I confess my guilt.
The short term search perimeter extended to around 15km. This included Bravura. As Arade is 30 miles away, it was outside the search area.
Arade is the story about the lawyer with the criminal who passed inside info. Lazy police, so lawyer checks barragem in Feb 2008.
Bravura? Same story. Inside info passed to police and lazy police did not bother.
Back to the gardener, and again I cocked up. There is one source for the gardener, then repeated through other sources.
He had been (allegedly) hauled back for a second interview in Faro. This was despite the fact that his house had been searched the first time round. His car had been searched the first time round. According to the PJ files he gave DNA the first time round. He is quoted as saying this (DNA) did not happen.
What was my second cockup? Well, I missed the source of the stories, which should have put me on high alert. But more importantly, I missed what did not happen.
Nobody from Scotland Yard flew out to Faro. Not a single media source had them jetting in for the interview.
The 4 folks grilled at Faro a short while back? Lots of piccies and stories.
The 11 grilled at Faro this time round? Piccies, stories, rage, attacks and more.
No gardener.
Trivia question. What colour was Nicola Walls nail polish?
Title: Re: The mystery letter claiming Madeleine had been dumped in the Bravura Dam.
Post by: Mr Gray on December 18, 2014, 09:19:14 PM
There is evidence that she was alive..so not stalemate
What?
Title: Re: The mystery letter claiming Madeleine had been dumped in the Bravura Dam.
Post by: pegasus on December 19, 2014, 05:11:08 PM
@shininginluz. He is telling the truth, the files do not state anything at all about any dna sample from him. Peeps have been reading an incorrect bit of text written by a third-party website on their index page.
Title: Re: The mystery letter claiming Madeleine had been dumped in the Bravura Dam.
Post by: ShiningInLuz on July 05, 2015, 12:52:28 PM
It is interesting that this story seems to have dated back to Oct 2007. Was this before or after the barragem do Arade story?
Bensafrim telephone mast is activated many times in the files by people simply on the A22 moving between Luz - Portimão and Luz - Faro.
You might wish to update the graphic with the approx. location of Colinas Verdes and Odiáxere to let folks see how close Odiáxere is not.
Streetview does not cover Colinas Verdes. Shame, as that might clarify where the nearest AliSuper was.
Title: Re: The mystery letter claiming Madeleine had been dumped in the Bravura Dam.
Post by: pathfinder73 on July 05, 2015, 01:05:59 PM
It is interesting that this story seems to have dated back to Oct 2007. Was this before or after the barragem do Arade story?
Bensafrim telephone mast is activated many times in the files by people simply on the A22 moving between Luz - Portimão and Luz - Faro.
You might wish to update the graphic with the approx. location of Colinas Verdes and Odiáxere to let folks see how close Odiáxere is not.
Streetview does not cover Colinas Verdes. Shame, as that might clarify where the nearest AliSuper was.
It's no myth and not back dated to October 2007. This was months before barragem do Arade search by Metodo 3 - say no more!
Original Source: TELEGRAPH: 14 OCTOBER 2007 By Aislinn Simpson in Odiaxere Last Updated: 5:28pm BST 14/10/2007
A vast reservoir near to the town where Madeleine McCann went missing is set to be trawled as police relaunch an active search for her.
The new inquiry head has now tripled the size of his team in a bid to crack the case and ordered fresh searches of a 10 mile area around the holiday town of Praia da Luz from where she disappeared five months ago.
A search is also expected of the dense woodland and isolated dwellings around the reservoir - known locally as Barragem da Bravura, literally the Reservoir of the Wilderness - which leading detective Paulo Rebelo believes was not combed carefully enough in the days following the four-year-old's disappearance.
According to Portuguese newspaper the Correio Da Manha, the "meticulous" Rebelo has ordered his reinforced team to pay "special attention" to the area around the jagged reservoir, which has a 25 mile perimeter, and is 15 miles from Luz.
Title: Re: The mystery letter claiming Madeleine had been dumped in the Bravura Dam.
Post by: John on July 05, 2015, 03:54:28 PM
I wouldn't consider Odiáxere to be close to the Barragem de Bravua lake, its actually 9km distant. What I do find coincidental however is that Odiáxere features earlier in this case as it was there that the two GNR officers who attended Madeleine's disappearance were originally investigating a suspected breaking and entry when the call came for them to go to Praia da Luz.
Could these two incidents be connected?
Title: Re: The mystery letter claiming Madeleine had been dumped in the Bravura Dam.
Post by: ShiningInLuz on July 05, 2015, 04:51:39 PM
It's no myth and not back dated to October 2007. This was months before barragem do Arade search by Metodo 3 - say no more!
Original Source: TELEGRAPH: 14 OCTOBER 2007 By Aislinn Simpson in Odiaxere Last Updated: 5:28pm BST 14/10/2007
A vast reservoir near to the town where Madeleine McCann went missing is set to be trawled as police relaunch an active search for her.
The new inquiry head has now tripled the size of his team in a bid to crack the case and ordered fresh searches of a 10 mile area around the holiday town of Praia da Luz from where she disappeared five months ago.
A search is also expected of the dense woodland and isolated dwellings around the reservoir - known locally as Barragem da Bravura, literally the Reservoir of the Wilderness - which leading detective Paulo Rebelo believes was not combed carefully enough in the days following the four-year-old's disappearance.
According to Portuguese newspaper the Correio Da Manha, the "meticulous" Rebelo has ordered his reinforced team to pay "special attention" to the area around the jagged reservoir, which has a 25 mile perimeter, and is 15 miles from Luz.
Please keep your shirt on. I did not say "back dated". I said I found it interesting that the article dates back to Oct 2007, and that is quite different. It means the origin was well before the "rain-sodden" note on the 1st anniversary, which is actually very important.
Some stuff on AliSuper may have been pruned, but I don't remember and I don't care.
The nearest AliSuper I can locate, to this point, was in Bensafrim.
Final thought, wasn't the barragem do Arade search by some lawyer claiming his client had informed him that Madeleine was in a deep, dark place?
Title: Re: The mystery letter claiming Madeleine had been dumped in the Bravura Dam.
Post by: misty on July 06, 2015, 12:11:40 AM
Alisuper Supermarkets network is present in the whole Algarve region, from Sagres to Monte Gordo, passing by Rogil, Vilamoura, Albufeira and so many other locations! We are also present in the centre and north of the country with stores in Monte Estoril, Aboboda, Matarraque, Oeiras, Miratejo and Moimenta da Beira.
Stores in Algarve: Rogil • Sagres(2) • Praia da Salema • Lagos(2) • Alvor • Portimão(2) • Praia da Rocha • Silves • Armação de Pêra • Galé • Albufeira(9) • Boliqueime • Açoteias • Vilamoura(5) • Quarteira • Vale do Lobo • Quinta do Lago • Almancil • Olhão • Moncarapacho • Vila Nova de Cacela • Manta Rota • Altura • Monte Gordo(2)
I wouldn't consider Odiáxere to be close to the Barragem de Bravua lake, its actually 9km distant. What I do find coincidental however is that Odiáxere features earlier in this case as it was there that the two GNR officers who attended Madeleine's disappearance were originally investigating a suspected breaking and entry when the call came for them to go to Praia da Luz.
Could these two incidents be connected?
Yes they could be connected. I would liked to have seen the June letter in the files. They needed cadaver dogs in that search. The lake is an obvious spot close to Luz. The gardener said the letter he found had Madeleine Beth McCann written on it.
Wednesday 06 June 2007 Kate and Gerry's exit from Berlin is delayed when the Portugese police say they have received some information that they need to be consulted on. Gerry dismisses this as 'nothing of interest' and it means they miss 2 TV programmes due to arriving in Amsterdam 3 hours late. They do manage to find time to catch up briefly with a few old friends from the time they spent in Amsterdam.
Thursday 07 June 2007 After the scheduled meetings, Gerry catches up with 'a friend of mine who was attending a medical conference in Amsterdam'. It is speculated that this was Matthew Oldfield who is believed to have been attending the Euromedlab 2007 event in the city at that time. See figure on the left of picture below.
Monday 11 June 2007 An anonymous letter and map are received in the offices of The Telegraaf, a Dutch newspaper, which claim to show where Madeleine is buried. The reporters immediately contact police and hand over the documents. A decision is made not to publish the map or hand it over to third parties.
Thursday 14 June 2007 Initial searches of scrubland indicated by the letter to The Telegraaf do not reveal anything unusual.
Friday 15 June 2007 Police with sniffer dogs search scrubland 9 miles from Praia da Luz where Madeleine's body is reported to be but the hunt is called off after only 4 hours. Extensive search finds nothing but a towel.
"The information indicated an area 15km from the place of the disappearance of the little child.
Barragem de Bravua to apartment 5A = 13.2km
Letter searches to apartment 5A = 13.75km
Letter searches to Barragem de Bravua = 5-6km
Title: Re: The mystery letter claiming Madeleine had been dumped in the Bravura Dam.
Post by: pathfinder73 on July 06, 2015, 02:12:24 AM
Please keep your shirt on. I did not say "back dated". I said I found it interesting that the article dates back to Oct 2007, and that is quite different. It means the origin was well before the "rain-sodden" note on the 1st anniversary, which is actually very important.
Some stuff on AliSuper may have been pruned, but I don't remember and I don't care.
The nearest AliSuper I can locate, to this point, was in Bensafrim.
Final thought, wasn't the barragem do Arade search by some lawyer claiming his client had informed him that Madeleine was in a deep, dark place?
Sorry I misread what you wrote - in a rush today but no excuse. Yes that's correct about a lawyer who lied (shock horror lol) about that Barragem do Arade search. He was Informed first then it turned out to be a dream or some nonsense. I wouldn't give anything to do with Metodo 3 the time of day. If you were going to search a lake then the closest Barragem de Bravua is the obvious one.
Title: Re: The mystery letter claiming Madeleine had been dumped in the Bravura Dam.
Post by: pathfinder73 on July 06, 2015, 02:15:27 AM
Alisuper Supermarkets network is present in the whole Algarve region, from Sagres to Monte Gordo, passing by Rogil, Vilamoura, Albufeira and so many other locations! We are also present in the centre and north of the country with stores in Monte Estoril, Aboboda, Matarraque, Oeiras, Miratejo and Moimenta da Beira.
Stores in Algarve: Rogil • Sagres(2) • Praia da Salema • Lagos(2) • Alvor • Portimão(2) • Praia da Rocha • Silves • Armação de Pêra • Galé • Albufeira(9) • Boliqueime • Açoteias • Vilamoura(5) • Quarteira • Vale do Lobo • Quinta do Lago • Almancil • Olhão • Moncarapacho • Vila Nova de Cacela • Manta Rota • Altura • Monte Gordo(2)
That's the current list. Note it does not mention the two AliSupers that were in Luz in 2007. I believe there was one in Espiche in 2007, which I have not looked for as it does not seem relevant. The list does not have the Bensafrim one, and I cannot find that one, only a villa rental nearby stating there is (or more likely was) an AliSuper in Bensafrim.
The chain went bust around 2011, and seems to have resurrected itself with fewer stores in its current incarnation. Hence no current Luz or Bensafrim versions.
Title: Re: The mystery letter claiming Madeleine had been dumped in the Bravura Dam.
Post by: ShiningInLuz on July 06, 2015, 02:27:23 PM
Yes the locations of the Bensafrim telephone masts on a map would be much appreciated. Thank you.
I have found (I think) two. Heriberto alerted me to that fact that each of the 3 networks used their own masts, so I am missing one.
These two are on a hill N of Bensafrim. In streetview, go to NE Bensafrim and look N.
I know the PJ graphic shows the Bensafrim mast to be much further S. However, other PJ maps are clearly in error, and I cannot find any suitable location for a mast in the area they pinpoint.
From memory, your records relate to 'Bensafrim central', and these two are definitely not in central Bensafrim, but I have not found one in central Bensafrim.
And that is why Heriberto's records are better.
Title: Re: The mystery letter claiming Madeleine had been dumped in the Bravura Dam.
Post by: pathfinder73 on July 06, 2015, 03:12:42 PM
Thanks. I only need a rough location on this map. Black spot is where the June De Telegraaf letter searches took place. 5 to 6 km from Barragem de Bravua. If you were at Barragem de Bravua would you be on a Bensafrim mast?
(http://i58.tinypic.com/33pcw79.jpg)
Title: Re: The mystery letter claiming Madeleine had been dumped in the Bravura Dam.
Post by: ShiningInLuz on July 06, 2015, 08:37:22 PM
Thanks. I only need a rough location on this map. Black spot is where the June De Telegraaf letter searches took place. 5 to 6 km from Barragem de Bravua. If you were at Barragem de Bravua would you be on a Bensafrim mast?
(http://i58.tinypic.com/33pcw79.jpg)
I don't know.
Google Earth makes the distance 5.4 km. The phone engineer in the PJ files says mobile phone radius is up to 8km in the country, thus max range has not been exceeded.
However, I don't know if there is a nearer mast that should be picking up the signal.
Or if the relevant phone could, or could not, operate through the Bensafrim masts.
Lots of variables.
Title: Re: The mystery letter claiming Madeleine had been dumped in the Bravura Dam.
Post by: pathfinder73 on July 07, 2015, 12:27:02 AM
That's great thanks for your help. It looks like to get to the lake you would possibly activate Odiaxere mast and Bensafrim so that is what I will check next.
Title: Re: The mystery letter claiming Madeleine had been dumped in the Bravura Dam.
Post by: ShiningInLuz on July 07, 2015, 02:19:56 PM
That's great thanks for your help. It looks like to get to the lake you would possibly activate Odiaxere mast and Bensafrim so that is what I will check next.
Graphic shows location of an Odiáxere mast (SW entrance to town.) The distance to Bravura is 7.2km, on the upper range limit. The A22 is closer.
I have added a red dot for the Bensafrim mast.
There is a further mast (red dot) beside the A22at 4.5km from Bravura, almost on the Odiáxere-Bravura line.
I'm guessing (!!!) it is the one called Monte Alto, even though it is nearer to Monte Ruivo than Monte Alto. I don't know which operators can use that mast.
Title: Re: The mystery letter claiming Madeleine had been dumped in the Bravura Dam.
Post by: pathfinder73 on July 22, 2015, 10:43:25 PM
June 2007
Search Location/Report
De Telegraaf Letter June 2007 http://www.mccannfiles.com/id78.html
October 2007
A search is also expected of the dense woodland and isolated dwellings around the reservoir - known locally as Barragem da Bravura, literally the Reservoir of the Wilderness - which leading detective Paulo Rebelo believes was not combed carefully enough in the days following the four-year-old's disappearance.
According to Portuguese newspaper the Correio Da Manha, the "meticulous" Rebelo has ordered his reinforced team to pay "special attention" to the area around the jagged reservoir.
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id202.html
November 2014
A letter handed in to Portuguese police claimed to know the final resting place of Madeleine McCann, it has emerged.
An employee of the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz found the letter in the doorway of apartment 5A, where Madeleine vanished, on the first anniversary of her disappearance.
The handyman, who we are not naming but was formerly employed by the holiday resort, immediately handed in the note to the police in May 2008.
He described the letter as being headed: “Madeleine Beth McCann”, with a description below of how she had been dumped in the Barragem da Bravura reservoir, nine miles from the holiday resort.
He said: “It was raining that night so it was soaking wet when I found it. It clearly said Madeleine’s name at the top. It was written in Portuguese.
“Beneath it was a location for what it claimed was her final resting place.
“I spoke to the other staff about it and they said to hand it in to the Portuguese police. I gave it to them, but I have no idea what they did about it.
Title: Re: The mystery letter claiming Madeleine had been dumped in the Bravura Dam.
Post by: Angelo222 on July 23, 2015, 11:06:19 AM
I don't buy this 'dumped in a reservoir' story because who in their right mind would take the risk of abducting a kid only to get rid of them in such a manner? The entire episode was probably invented as a distraction at a time when investigators were getting too close to what really befell Maddie.
Title: Re: The mystery letter claiming Madeleine had been dumped in the Bravura Dam.
Post by: stephen25000 on July 23, 2015, 11:34:23 AM
I don't buy this 'dumped in a reservoir' story because who in their right mind would take the risk of abducting a kid only to get rid of them in such a manner? The entire episode was probably invented as a distraction at a time when investigators were getting too close to what really befell Maddie.
Was this theory the one supported by the psychic Correia.
A truly amazing man.
Title: Re: The mystery letter claiming Madeleine had been dumped in the Bravura Dam.
Post by: Angelo222 on July 23, 2015, 12:07:30 PM
Was this theory the bone supported by the psychic Correia.
A truly amazing man.
Wasn't there was a note found on the road outside 5a claiming that Maddie was put in the reservoir. The Portuguese police checked the reservoir a few days after the disappearance on the basis that a body would rise to the surface.
To put Correia into context, he wasn't involved with searches at a reservoir until Feb 2008 and that was the more distant River Arade Dam near Silves.
Title: Re: The mystery letter claiming Madeleine had been dumped in the Bravura Dam.
Post by: Anna on July 23, 2015, 12:37:31 PM
Was this theory the bone supported by the psychic Correia.
A truly amazing man.
That was another reservoir, Barragem do Arade, much further away so he if was involved they searched the wrong one. Barragem da Bravura is closest to PDL. After nothing came from the Silves reservoir maybe the thought was they wouldn't bother searching another.
February 2008
The desolate reservoir in Barragem do Arade - 150ft deep in places - has a beach and a walkway leading to a tower. It matches clues the Portuguese lawyer was given.
Marcos said: "I am convinced this is the place. My sources told me Madeleine was thrown into a deserted lake with murky waters, a beach and lots of trees.
"I believe this would have been the best place for someone to have dumped the body, based on my investigations.
I don't buy this 'dumped in a reservoir' story because who in their right mind would take the risk of abducting a kid only to get rid of them in such a manner? The entire episode was probably invented as a distraction at a time when investigators were getting too close to what really befell Maddie.
15 October 2007
A reservoir is being scoured by specialist police divers as the hunt for Madeleine McCann intensifies.
Detectives are said to be preparing to search a 10-mile area around Praia da Luz, where the child vanished on May 3.
The hunt is also focusing on the Barragem da Bravura reservoir, which is around 15 miles away from the Algarve resort.
Paulo Rebelo, the man who is now heading the investigation, has ordered his officers to search the 2.5 mile-wide reservoir.
His investigators are also set to comb a three-mile stretch of coastline and beaches near Praia da Luz.
A spokesman for Madeleine's parents Kate and Gerry McCann said: "Any widening of the search area is encouraging and we welcome it."
The previous investigation team was criticised for not searching properly for Madeleine, who went missing shortly before her fourth birthday.
Mr Rebelo has assembled a team of specialist detectives to boost the investigation, including two murder experts.
Portuguese newspaper Diario De Noticias claimed the search areas were related to mobile phone calls made by Madeleine's parents and their friends.
Title: Re: The mystery letter claiming Madeleine had been dumped in the Bravura Dam.
Post by: Brietta on July 23, 2015, 12:54:07 PM
Not the easiest thing in the world to locate a body which someone doesn't want found. Alice Gross was under 3ft of water and was near to where she was last seen ... what chance would even a team of divers have had searching an area such as the reservoir for a little child.
**snip Residents said the section of river where the body was found had already been searched in the days following Alice’s disappearance. However, police believe that whoever dumped the body in the river made “significant efforts” to conceal it. On Wednesday night it emerged that logs and other material had been used to conceal Alice’s remains in an area of water approximately 3ft (90cm) deep. London Fire Brigade used specialist equipment to lift the material out. http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/oct/01/body-found-river-alice-gross-police
Title: Re: The mystery letter claiming Madeleine had been dumped in the Bravura Dam.
Post by: pathfinder73 on July 23, 2015, 01:06:28 PM
Not the easiest thing in the world to locate a body which someone doesn't want found. Alice Goss was under 3ft of water and was near to where she was last seen ... what chance would even a team of divers have had searching an area such as the reservoir for a little child.
**snip Residents said the section of river where the body was found had already been searched in the days following Alice’s disappearance. However, police believe that whoever dumped the body in the river made “significant efforts” to conceal it. On Wednesday night it emerged that logs and other material had been used to conceal Alice’s remains in an area of water approximately 3ft (90cm) deep. London Fire Brigade used specialist equipment to lift the material out. http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/oct/01/body-found-river-alice-gross-police
You need dogs.
Title: Re: The mystery letter claiming Madeleine had been dumped in the Bravura Dam.
Post by: Anna on July 23, 2015, 01:29:35 PM
Chilling: The letter reportedly started with a description of Madeleine being dumped in the Barragem da Bravura reservoir which it described as her 'final resting place'
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2848727/Madeleine-McCann-s-family-welcome-fresh-search-lake-close-holiday-resort-vanished-amid-claims-body-dumped-there.html#ixzz3giUpTsLp Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook
Title: Re: The mystery letter claiming Madeleine had been dumped in the Bravura Dam.
Post by: Anna on July 23, 2015, 01:31:11 PM
**snip The South Wales victim detection dogs are part of a huge team from more than 20 forces across the country trying to find the 14 year old, who has not been seen for more than a month. http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/alice-gross-welsh-sniffer-dogs-7853553
Title: Re: The mystery letter claiming Madeleine had been dumped in the Bravura Dam.
Post by: pathfinder73 on July 23, 2015, 02:10:09 PM
So was Eddie used to search this area, Pathfinder?
No Anna Eddie was only used in PDL.
The dog has successfully in training and in operational casework located a human cadavers in water either from the bank side or when deployed in a boat.
The dog has successfully in training and in operational casework located a human cadavers in water either from the bank side or when deployed in a boat.
Perhaps we should adopt this as an official forum map.
Porto de Lagos - relevant to the story as the place where all the rubbish in Luz ends up.
Needs a blip for Espiche (gardener man) and Burgau.
I'm trying to work out where the Autódromo Internacional do Algarve fits in (relevant to arguido Ricardo Rodrigues).
Can you post a version without the circles? It looks like quite a good base map for a lot of related information.
My effort re the Ricardo Rodrigues story is attached.
The original as requested plus the cropped version.
Title: Re: The mystery letter claiming Madeleine had been dumped in the Bravura Dam.
Post by: pathfinder73 on July 29, 2015, 07:12:12 PM
In all cases of missing persons who are suspected of being murdered, the nearest area for water disposal should be considered for an underwater search. (NCOF)