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Alleged Miscarriages of Justice => Jeremy Bamber and the callous murder of his father, mother, sister and twin nephews. Case effectively CLOSED by CCRC on basis of NO APPEAL REFERRAL. => Topic started by: John on August 17, 2012, 06:15:54 PM
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The only way that Jeremy Bamber will ever overturn his conviction is to persuade the CCRC and then the Appeal Court that Sheila was responsible for four murders and her own suicide. Quite an uphill task if the truth be known.
We have looked at all the evidence, we have even looked at the preposterous wild theories being promoted by Bamber fanatic Mike (ali bongo) Teskowski and others and it all comes down to one thing.
SHEILA IS INNOCENT!
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The only way that Jeremy Bamber will ever overturn his conviction is to persuade the CCRC and then the Appeal Court that Sheila was responsible for four murders and her own suicide. Quite an uphill task if the truth be known.
We have looked at all the evidence, we have even looked at the preposterous wild theories being promoted by Bamber fanatic Mike (ali bongo) Teskowski and others and it all comes down to one thing.
SHEILA IS INNOCENT!
You are so right John. The numpties on the blue forum ( Egap, Tesko, Lookout, Maggie, April , Caroline R etc ) are literally desperate to convince someone that Sheila could have been responsible. This is Bamber's only real line of defence. Sorry, silly old Lookout. She was not strong at all and is described by those who actually knew her as having very poor arm musculature. All this endless armchair theorising by people who did not know her nor have had full access to her medical history is bizarre. These people seem to have limitless time to post about things which they do not understand basing their " expert " knowledge on Google searches. They all need to get a life and to stop defaming the memory of someone who cannot answer back. Their kangaroo trial of Sheila is evil, unfair and unjust.
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I think (for what it's worth) there has been too much emphasis on Sheila's mental state, possibly (and I say it as loud as I can) because people watch the news about killings and there are times when a paranoid schizophrenic hasn't taken medication and turned on a relative. Its unfortunate that SOME people associate this to Sheila "Oh, she's gone off on one and killed 5 people" which is clearly not the case.
There are plenty of people who suffer from a mental illness or episode who successfully recover or continue to receive treatment without issue or have an issue and then sucessfully recover.
Obviously JB and his bamberettes haven't caught on (and I was one of them) after 25 years that he isn't going to leave prison despite numerous appeals, surely that must make people think. I know people have to wait a long time for justice (Stefan Kizcho/Barry George to name too) but what about justice for Sheila? We're half way there-JB is in prison, now it's his fan club who need telling.
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I don't think telling will work with them Joanne. It is going to take something a bit stronger like an injunction but all good things come to them that wait they say.
Thanks to my insiders within Essex Police I previously posted that a high level team were already looking into the activities of a certain person who has constantly libelled several police officers and others. I stated at the time that they were not allowed to move on this information until the CCRC application had been exhausted.
Not long to go now. 8(0(*
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You're absolutely right John.
I do feel sorry for the remainder of the family, everytime there's an appeal or programme on TV, the pro forums go mad and hype things up to the max. It's not good for them having to deal with it, they lost enough at the time without the 'free JB campaign', it's a shame the people can't or won't read the whole evidence and then make their minds up.
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You're absolutely right John.
I do feel sorry for the remainder of the family, everytime there's an appeal or programme on TV, the pro forums go mad and hype things up to the max. It's not good for them having to deal with it, they lost enough at the time without the 'free JB campaign', it's a shame the people can't or won't read the whole evidence and then make their minds up.
Members of the family who loved and cherished Nevill, June, Sheila. Daniel and Nicholas have never been allowed closure . Bamber and his weird collection of followers have kept up the pressure for nearly 27 years. Police officers, members of the family and other witnesses have been libelled . Buddy's last bout on this forum in relation to Julie Mugford was a good example. Trial by internet is unjust. These hypocrites rant on about fairness for Bamber but then proceed to in effect try others alive and deceased. Most ordinary people cannot afford the cost, complexity and emotional turmoil of pursuing a libel case, particularly when the perpetrators probably have few assets anyway. So if it is true that Essex Police are considering civil action then as far as I am concerned, they have my full support.
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Oh, and please add Patti/Grahame to my list of blue forum numpties who need to get out more and try to have a life.
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How can anyone contemplate Sheila dashing up and downstairs to reload from the bullets spilled near the phone in the kitchen or from the gun cupboard?
If you are prepared to destroy a whole family, especially with .22 ammunition, you would need to carry as much as possible about your person, either in a pocket or gun-belt pocket, or in another magazine, as once you had started you may well have woken up those still sleeping and would have to carry out the rest of the operation in as little time as possible...., Sheila's nightdress had no pockets, and no live rounds, only spent ones and shell cases were found upstairs.
Photographs of the Eley subsonic hollow-points like those used in the Anschutz 525 can be deceptive.
Although longer at about 25mm., their diameter at just over 5mm. is similar to the run of the mill .22 slug-firing air rifle.
An illustration of similar .22's size and penetrating power at short range is shown in this video...,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeVMaEXk_Yk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeVMaEXk_Yk)
A still photograph of their actual size (inset) is shown below, which should display at the right scale whatever monitor resolution you are using.
So although small and "delicate" to look at they can cause severe damage to internal tissues and organs by their mushrooming action.
Would Sheila have had the wherewithal to carry out all this destruction bearing in mind that according to Colin she had never used a gun, and who, to others in the family couldn't make a coffee or beans on toast without spilling any of it?
Even Jeremy Bamber himself admitted in police interview that he had never seen her use a rifle.
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How can anyone contemplate Sheila dashing up and downstairs to reload from the bullets spilled near the phone in the kitchen or from the gun cupboard?
If you are prepared to destroy a whole family, especially with .22 ammunition, you would need to carry as much as possible about your person, either in a pocket or gun-belt pocket, or in another magazine, as once you had started you may well have woken up those still sleeping and would have to carry out the rest of the operation in as little time as possible...., Sheila's nightdress had no pockets, and no live rounds, only spent ones and shell cases were found upstairs.
Photographs of the Eley subsonic hollow-points like those used in the Anschutz 525 can be deceptive.
Although longer at about 25mm., their diameter at just over 5mm. is similar to the run of the mill .22 slug-firing air rifle.
An illustration of similar .22's size and penetrating power at short range is shown in this video...,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeVMaEXk_Yk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeVMaEXk_Yk)
A still photograph of their actual size (inset) is shown below, which should display at the right scale whatever monitor resolution you are using.
So although small and "delicate" to look at they can cause severe damage to internal tissues and organs by their mushrooming action.
Would Sheila have had the wherewithal to carry out all this destruction bearing in mind that according to Colin she had never used a gun, and who, to others in the family couldn't make a coffee or beans on toast without spilling any of it?
Even Jeremy Bamber himself admitted in police interview that he had never seen her use a rifle.
Excellent points, Myster. from my family contacts, I can confirm that Sheila detested guns. Bamber, in contrast, was competent in using this type of weapon. He attended a public school, and I beleive was a capable shot there. Having attended a similiar school, I know that weapons training was a normal part of the curriculum. We all had to be members of the Combined Cadet Force, had army rifles, were taught how to fire them on army ranges and also had an indoor .22 range on the school site.
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Thanks Dillon, it's good to have someone else other than close family confirm Sheila's disinterest in firearms.
It's normally the male members of farming families, (in my experience at any rate) who show an interest in such things. They have to, in order to keep down vermin, rabbits, pigeons, etc.
Yes it was Gresham's.., the same school attended by James Dyson of vacuum cleaner fame.
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How can anyone contemplate Sheila dashing up and downstairs to reload from the bullets spilled near the phone in the kitchen or from the gun cupboard?
If you are prepared to destroy a whole family, especially with .22 ammunition, you would need to carry as much as possible about your person, either in a pocket or gun-belt pocket, or in another magazine, as once you had started you may well have woken up those still sleeping and would have to carry out the rest of the operation in as little time as possible...., Sheila's nightdress had no pockets, and no live rounds, only spent ones and shell cases were found upstairs.
Photographs of the Eley subsonic hollow-points like those used in the Anschutz 525 can be deceptive.
Although longer at about 25mm., their diameter at just over 5mm. is similar to the run of the mill .22 slug-firing air rifle.
An illustration of similar .22's size and penetrating power at short range is shown in this video...,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeVMaEXk_Yk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeVMaEXk_Yk)
A still photograph of their actual size (inset) is shown below, which should display at the right scale whatever monitor resolution you are using.
So although small and "delicate" to look at they can cause severe damage to internal tissues and organs by their mushrooming action.
Would Sheila have had the wherewithal to carry out all this destruction bearing in mind that according to Colin she had never used a gun, and who, to others in the family couldn't make a coffee or beans on toast without spilling any of it?
Even Jeremy Bamber himself admitted in police interview that he had never seen her use a rifle.
Excellent points, Myster. from my family contacts, I can confirm that Sheila detested guns. Bamber, in contrast, was competent in using this type of weapon. He attended a public school, and I beleive was a capable shot there. Having attended a similiar school, I know that weapons training was a normal part of the curriculum. We all had to be members of the Combined Cadet Force, had army rifles, were taught how to fire them on army ranges and also had an indoor .22 range on the school site.
That is what the camp site manager Mr Carr said in his statement as well. He said that Sheila may have gone out shooting with some of them when she was a teenager but she wouldn't carry a gun. She detested firearms.
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June's sister even recalled an event at white House farm one day not that long before the murders when Jeremy tried to show Sheila how to load the magazine and rifle but she wasn't having any it. And now we are expected to believe that she could pick up a rifle, load it at least three times and fire off twenty five rounds with expert precision and end up maintaining her perfectly manicured finger nails.
Something else worth noting. It says on the official Bamber website that 26 bullets were fired. Is there something Jeremy isn't telling us since only 25 rounds are accounted for?
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If police picked up a gun from the window, as Mike insists, and walked around with it, before placing it on Sheila (I'm sorry, why was that, again?) wouldn't they at least make sure that there wasn't a bullet left in it? Wouldn't the gun be made safe before someone started waving it about, and messing with Sheila's finger on the trigger?
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June was worried about Jeremy trying to get Sheila interested in handling guns, probably because Sheila was notoriously ill coordinated and this was exacerbated by her medication. Some say that her ability to paint her toe nails contradicts this, but Sheila was a very pretty girl, who had been interested in her appearance since her early teens, so applying make up etc would have been a very over learned skill set. I have posted before that it is a myth to think that women on farms were necessarily competent with firearms. Some are, but the traditional nature of farming is such that they would often have had different roles such as being excellent cooks, rearing poultry etc. However, women often participate in farm shoots as beaters; a sociable day out. If one bought into the theory that Sheila went from being placid earlier in the evening prior to the killings into a huge state of manic, psychotic rage, is it really likely that she would have used a rifle, firing multiple relatively accurate shots and having to reload the weapon ? This has to be nonsense. It is far more likely that an individual with her abilities would have resorted to more primitive weapons under those circumstances, such as kitchen knives.
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June was worried about Jeremy trying to get Sheila interested in handling guns, probably because Sheila was notoriously ill coordinated and this was exacerbated by her medication. Some say that her ability to paint her toe nails contradicts this, but Sheila was a very pretty girl, who had been interested in her appearance since her early teens, so applying make up etc would have been a very over learned skill set. I have posted before that it is a myth to think that women on farms were necessarily competent with firearms. Some are, but the traditional nature of farming is such that they would often have had different roles such as being excellent cooks, rearing poultry etc. However, women often participate in farm shoots as beaters; a sociable day out. If one bought into the theory that Sheila went from being placid earlier in the evening prior to the killings into a huge state of manic, psychotic rage, is it really likely that she would have used a rifle, firing multiple relatively accurate shots and having to reload the weapon ? This has to be nonsense. It is far more likely that an individual with her abilities would have resorted to more primitive weapons under those circumstances, such as kitchen knives.
Quite right Dillon. Sheila hated guns as you know and wouldn't even let the boys have toy guns. It is hardly plausible therefore that she would use the very weapon she abhorred.
It was all too convenient for my liking, jeremy trying to educate Sheila as to how to load the rifle and in the presence of Pamela. Then the rifle and magazine being left conveniently in view for Sheila to use. Had it not been for Julie Mugford's testimony about the months prior to the murders we may have never known that what was in fact isolated events was instead a concerted attempt by Jeremy Bamber to prepare the way in order to blame Sheila. He is a cold calculating killer in many ways, his deeds are testament to this.
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If police picked up a gun from the window, as Mike insists, and walked around with it, before placing it on Sheila (I'm sorry, why was that, again?) wouldn't they at least make sure that there wasn't a bullet left in it? Wouldn't the gun be made safe before someone started waving it about, and messing with Sheila's finger on the trigger?
Shona, please don't take the noxious dribble being posted by Tesko as anything which could ever be taken seriously.
There is no mystery about the rifle. It was checked shortly after the police firearms unit entered the room and both the rifle and the magazine were found to be empty. There was no smell which would evidenced that a firearm had recently been discharged. The rifle would have been laid to the side to facilitate inspection and photography of the body.
Tesko's rants are those of a psychotic lunatic.
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Thank heavens for Bridget. Can Tesko and Roachford really be that blind? >@@(*&)
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Thank heavens for Bridget. Can Tesko and Roachford really be that blind? >@@(*&)
There's none so blind as those who will not see. And in the case of Tesko and Roch that couldn't be more true!
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Thank heavens for Bridget. Can Tesko and Roachford really be that blind? >@@(*&)
I don't know how she puts up with being patronised by those 2 idiots. Anyone with half an eye can see that the gun hasn't moved in any way, it's just angles and shadows.
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If police picked up a gun from the window, as Mike insists, and walked around with it, before placing it on Sheila (I'm sorry, why was that, again?) wouldn't they at least make sure that there wasn't a bullet left in it? Wouldn't the gun be made safe before someone started waving it about, and messing with Sheila's finger on the trigger?
Shona, please don't take the noxious dribble being posted by Tesko as anything which could ever be taken seriously.
There is no mystery about the rifle. It was checked shortly after the police firearms unit entered the room and both the rifle and the magazine were found to be empty. There was no smell which would evidenced that a firearm had recently been discharged. The rifle would have been laid to the side to facilitate inspection and photography of the body.
Tesko's rants are those of a psychotic lunatic.
It really is a no brainer ! I don't know why we have to continue debating the obvious in this case other then to counteract the bilge propagated by a small group of individuals who seem to be obsessed with the notion of Bamber's innocence. I just wish that they could try and consider the evidence objectively and realise how ridiculous it is to consider that Sheila Caffell was responsible. It is all very well for posters on Tesko's forum to describe this forum as poisonous etc but with a little bit of insight they should appreciate that desecrating the memory of an innocent victim of a killer is pretty nasty . I cannot understand their motives . If there is mud slinging, then the blue forum people are being incredibly hypocritical . Some of their posters chuck the insults around as much as people here who at times react to their illogical and bizarre theorising. A case of the pot calling the kettle black !
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One day, a really brave Bamber member will say that JUNE was responsible for the murders (remember, Mike?) and Ralph fathered the twins (remember, Mike?) and Sheila ran about the house barking like a dog...you get it. Mike, you've pushed it too far. And the Maddy thing (please come and get me, Mr. Mike) is hurtful and offensive. You've lost the plot. You know who killed Sheila (and the family) and you haven't got a clue about Maddy. You look a bit of a tit.
IMO.
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Trying to read the propaganda in the Bamber case on twitter is like trying to thread a needle with a pair of rubber gloves on. The blame Sheila campaign is well and truly underway as this is the only option now available to them. How awful it must be for Sheila's real parents, I just hope they are never unfortunate enough to read any of it.
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Is there any information about Sheila's birth parents?
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Sheila might have had her problems but she was a wonderful mother to her sons. Show me any mother who claims to have never had some problems or misgivings about rearing their offspring and I will show you a liar. Child rearing is the most difficult but the most rewarding job in the world.
Jeremy Bamber took all that away from Sheila and Colin. He stole their whole lives away from them.
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Is there any information about Sheila's birth parents?
Sheila Jean Caffell (1957 - 1985) was born to Christine Jay, the daughter of a chaplain of the Archbishop of Canterbury. She later married and is now known as Mrs Christine Sykora and lives in Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada.
Out of respect for Sheila the letters will not be posted.
(http://i.imgur.com/MKObs.jpg)
Statement by DI Paul Brown after meeting Mrs Sykora.
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(http://i.imgur.com/d3hXb.jpg)
Statement by Sheila's uncle.
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Isn't it strange how both Julie Mugford and Christine Jay ended up in Canada. Do you think they knew each other?
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Oh blame Sheila time again is it? Groundhog day again at Tesco Towers!
At least they have an eco conscience. I have never seen so much pointless recycling!
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Oh blame Sheila time again is it? Groundhog day again at Tesco Towers!
At least they have an eco conscience. I have never seen so much pointless recycling!
Surprise, surprise !! The Bamber supporters know perfectly well that the only real defence case that they can present is to blame Sheila so here they go again churning out the same repetitive ill informed garbage. Silly sad individuals like " Lookout " reel out ad nauseum their prejudiced fiction about the family being dysfunctional and a distorted perception of Sheila's health problems . Of course we know that it is extraordinarily unlikely that Sheila was responsible. It is not a complicated case. Innocent Sheila = Guilty Jeremy. End of story. It really is not rocket science . Just a shame that some people's lives are so lacking in meaning that they have to waste endless lonely hours tapping away at their computers.
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Oh blame Sheila time again is it? Groundhog day again at Tesco Towers!
At least they have an eco conscience. I have never seen so much pointless recycling!
Surprise, surprise !! The Bamber supporters know perfectly well that the only real defence case that they can present is to blame Sheila so here they go again churning out the same repetitive ill informed garbage. Silly sad individuals like " Lookout " reel out ad nauseum their prejudiced fiction about the family being dysfunctional and a distorted perception of Sheila's health problems . Of course we know that it is extraordinarily unlikely that Sheila was responsible. It is not a complicated case. Innocent Sheila = Guilty Jeremy. End of story. It really is not rocket science . Just a shame that some people's lives are so lacking in meaning that they have to waste endless lonely hours tapping away at their computers.
There's that name again? There would appear to be a concerted effort by unnamed individuals on the blue forum to try and discredit Sheila and lay the blame at what happened at her door. I have seen the same nonsense being promoted on twitter by other faceless individuals. Had Sheila been in such a disturbed state of mind she could very well have used the rifle, it isn't rocket science after all. What she couldn't have done though was to achieve total annihilation in the way it occurred. Only someone with acute cunning and expert knowledge of that particular weapon could have done that. The lack of prints, the absence of blood spatter on Sheila and the absence of the slightest forensic evidence on her body or clothing which could put her anywhere near the actual killings is testament to her innocence.
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Oh blame Sheila time again is it? Groundhog day again at Tesco Towers!
At least they have an eco conscience. I have never seen so much pointless recycling!
Surprise, surprise !! The Bamber supporters know perfectly well that the only real defence case that they can present is to blame Sheila so here they go again churning out the same repetitive ill informed garbage. Silly sad individuals like " Lookout " reel out ad nauseum their prejudiced fiction about the family being dysfunctional and a distorted perception of Sheila's health problems . Of course we know that it is extraordinarily unlikely that Sheila was responsible. It is not a complicated case. Innocent Sheila = Guilty Jeremy. End of story. It really is not rocket science . Just a shame that some people's lives are so lacking in meaning that they have to waste endless lonely hours tapping away at their computers.
There's that name again? There would appear to be a concerted effort by unnamed individuals on the blue forum to try and discredit Sheila and lay the blame at what happened at her door. I have seen the same nonsense being promoted on twitter by other faceless individuals. Had Sheila been in such a disturbed state of mind she could very well have used the rifle, it isn't rocket science after all. What she couldn't have done though was to achieve total annihilation in the way it occurred. Only someone with acute cunning and expert knowledge of that particular weapon could have done that. The lack of prints, the absence of blood spatter on Sheila and the absence of the slightest forensic evidence on her body or clothing which could put her anywhere near the actual killings is testament to her innocence.
Thank you. Nicely put, John. Knowing what I do about Sheila, I think that if she had gone crazy with a gun the shots would have been all over the place, probably half of them bringing the plaster down from the ceiling. Whoever did this had to be quite skilled with this specific type of weapon as you shrewdly suggest.
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You'll be giving Tesko ideas now Dillon.... he'll be dusting off all his crime scene photos, and scouring them with a magnifying glass for signs of gypsum on the carpet. >@@(*&)
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Oh blame Sheila time again is it? Groundhog day again at Tesco Towers!
At least they have an eco conscience. I have never seen so much pointless recycling!
Surprise, surprise !! The Bamber supporters know perfectly well that the only real defence case that they can present is to blame Sheila so here they go again churning out the same repetitive ill informed garbage. Silly sad individuals like " Lookout " reel out ad nauseum their prejudiced fiction about the family being dysfunctional and a distorted perception of Sheila's health problems . Of course we know that it is extraordinarily unlikely that Sheila was responsible. It is not a complicated case. Innocent Sheila = Guilty Jeremy. End of story. It really is not rocket science . Just a shame that some people's lives are so lacking in meaning that they have to waste endless lonely hours tapping away at their computers.
There's that name again? There would appear to be a concerted effort by unnamed individuals on the blue forum to try and discredit Sheila and lay the blame at what happened at her door. I have seen the same nonsense being promoted on twitter by other faceless individuals. Had Sheila been in such a disturbed state of mind she could very well have used the rifle, it isn't rocket science after all. What she couldn't have done though was to achieve total annihilation in the way it occurred. Only someone with acute cunning and expert knowledge of that particular weapon could have done that. The lack of prints, the absence of blood spatter on Sheila and the absence of the slightest forensic evidence on her body or clothing which could put her anywhere near the actual killings is testament to her innocence.
Thank you. Nicely put, John. Knowing what I do about Sheila, I think that if she had gone crazy with a gun the shots would have been all over the place, probably half of them bringing the plaster down from the ceiling. Whoever did this had to be quite skilled with this specific type of weapon as you shrewdly suggest.
I think we are reading from the same page Dillon. Those shots were targeted very much so, I am going from memory here but I think only one bullet missed a target. An emotionally unbalanced young woman would never have been able to do such a thing, not in a million years and that is where Jeremy's tale falls down.
If there was the slightest evidence that Sheila used that rifle or was anywhere near the victims then I would give Jeremy the benefit of the doubt but this is simply not the case. The forensic evidence is 99.5% clear on this fact and that is one hell-of-a mountain to climb!
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Oh blame Sheila time again is it? Groundhog day again at Tesco Towers!
At least they have an eco conscience. I have never seen so much pointless recycling!
Surprise, surprise !! The Bamber supporters know perfectly well that the only real defence case that they can present is to blame Sheila so here they go again churning out the same repetitive ill informed garbage. Silly sad individuals like " Lookout " reel out ad nauseum their prejudiced fiction about the family being dysfunctional and a distorted perception of Sheila's health problems . Of course we know that it is extraordinarily unlikely that Sheila was responsible. It is not a complicated case. Innocent Sheila = Guilty Jeremy. End of story. It really is not rocket science . Just a shame that some people's lives are so lacking in meaning that they have to waste endless lonely hours tapping away at their computers.
There's that name again? There would appear to be a concerted effort by unnamed individuals on the blue forum to try and discredit Sheila and lay the blame at what happened at her door. I have seen the same nonsense being promoted on twitter by other faceless individuals. Had Sheila been in such a disturbed state of mind she could very well have used the rifle, it isn't rocket science after all. What she couldn't have done though was to achieve total annihilation in the way it occurred. Only someone with acute cunning and expert knowledge of that particular weapon could have done that. The lack of prints, the absence of blood spatter on Sheila and the absence of the slightest forensic evidence on her body or clothing which could put her anywhere near the actual killings is testament to her innocence.
Thank you. Nicely put, John. Knowing what I do about Sheila, I think that if she had gone crazy with a gun the shots would have been all over the place, probably half of them bringing the plaster down from the ceiling. Whoever did this had to be quite skilled with this specific type of weapon as you shrewdly suggest.
I think we are reading from the same page Dillon. Those shots were targeted very much so, I am going from memory here but I think only one bullet missed a target. An emotionally unbalanced young woman would never have been able to do such a thing, not in a million years and that is where Jeremy's tale falls down.
If there was the slightest evidence that Sheila used that rifle or was anywhere near the victims then I would give Jeremy the benefit of the doubt but this is simply not the case. The forensic evidence is 99.5% clear on this fact and that is one hell-of-a mountain to climb!
Exactly. I don't doubt Sheila could have fired the rifle and killed people if she was experiencing a psychotic episode due to her mental health problems (and let's remember that there don't seem to be any witnesses to such episodes from her past where she had harmed anyone else, only herself). However, I don't believe she would have been able to reload at least twice, batter her father senseless, fire so many shots on target and then have next to no evidence on her self and her clothing which would indicate she had done all of this. And choosing to do this in a flimsy nightie with no pockets would have made it very hard to have ammo to hand to reload with. And the idea that she ran upstairs with a significant neck wound when police had presumed she was already dead sounds like something out of a bad horror movie.
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And the idea that she ran upstairs with a significant neck wound when police had presumed she was already dead sounds like something out of a bad horror movie.
Yes, a Tesko horror movie. 8)-))) ?>)()<
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I think (for what it's worth) there has been too much emphasis on Sheila's mental state, possibly (and I say it as loud as I can) because people watch the news about killings and there are times when a paranoid schizophrenic hasn't taken medication and turned on a relative. Its unfortunate that SOME people associate this to Sheila "Oh, she's gone off on one and killed 5 people" which is clearly not the case.
There are plenty of people who suffer from a mental illness or episode who successfully recover or continue to receive treatment without issue or have an issue and then sucessfully recover.
Obviously JB and his bamberettes haven't caught on (and I was one of them) after 25 years that he isn't going to leave prison despite numerous appeals, surely that must make people think. I know people have to wait a long time for justice (Stefan Kizcho/Barry George to name too) but what about justice for Sheila? We're half way there-JB is in prison, now it's his fan club who need telling.
A good post Joanne but such a pity you have chosen to run off and align yourself with those idiots who would malign Sheila and her memory regardless of how respectful they pretend to be.
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Gosh, that's a good video, that roch has posted. Am I allowed to say that JB looked like a horribly cocky tw..?
He really, really thought that he was going to get away with it, didn't he?
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Gosh, that's a good video, that roch has posted. Am I allowed to say that JB looked like a horribly cocky tw..?
He really, really thought that he was going to get away with it, didn't he?
He sure did. I noticed a tweet today which associated Bambers case with the Birmingham 6. What the hell Bamber has in common with a group of suspected Irish terrorists defies reason. It seems that even 27 years later the monumental brutality of his crime in killing two innocent six year old boys along with his sister and parents still has some people wondering how such a nice well dressed and good looking young man could ever have done such a dreadful thing? The bit that most observers fail to understand is that psychopaths come in all shapes and sizes.
He did think that his guile and cunning would get him off and nearly did. Two jurors were fooled by him which doesn't surprise me in the least. Had they known what we know now and had the benefit of DNA at that time I have no doubt that the verdict would have been unanimous.
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Not just a horrible cocky tw.. but really evil psychotic eyes. That picture of him being led into the police van was all that I needed to be convinced that he was guiltly. Really evil.
Gosh, that's a good video, that roch has posted. Am I allowed to say that JB looked like a horribly cocky tw..?
He really, really thought that he was going to get away with it, didn't he?
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For sure - they have been pushing this miscarriages of justice line for ages -trying to align themselves with the great miscarriages of justice of all time. Difference is that they have no legitimiate support. The Birmingham Six/ Guildford Four had great lawyers behind them like Gareth Peirce and Michael Mansfield QC and a host of highly- respected journalists and campaigners. Why - because everyone knew they were innocent. Who has Bamber got fighting his corner - Simon Mckay and previously Giovanni Di Steffano ( awaiting trial on 28 charges of fraud). Enough said.
Gosh, that's a good video, that roch has posted. Am I allowed to say that JB looked like a horribly cocky tw..?
He really, really thought that he was going to get away with it, didn't he?
He sure did. I noticed a tweet today which associated Bambers case with the Birmingham 6. What the hell Bamber has in common with a group of suspected Irish terrorists defies reason. It seems that even 27 years later the monumental brutality of his crime in killing two innocent six year old boys along with his sister and parents still has some people wondering how such a nice well dressed and good looking young man could ever have done such a dreadful thing? The bit that most observers fail to understand is that psychopaths come in all shapes and sizes.
He did think that his guile and cunning would get him off and nearly did. Two jurors were fooled by him which doesn't surprise me in the least. Had they known what we know now and had the benefit of DNA at that time I have no doubt that the verdict would have been unanimous.
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Not just a horrible cocky tw.. but really evil psychotic eyes. That picture of him being led into the police van was all that I needed to be convinced that he was guiltly. Really evil.
Gosh, that's a good video, that roch has posted. Am I allowed to say that JB looked like a horribly cocky tw..?
He really, really thought that he was going to get away with it, didn't he?
And when you watch him at the funeral, you realise what a piss-poor actor he was, too.
Thank goodness for Julie Mugford.
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For sure - they have been pushing this miscarriages of justice line for ages -trying to align themselves with the great miscarriages of justice of all time. Difference is that they have no legitimiate support. The Birmingham Six/ Guildford Four had great lawyers behind them like Gareth Peirce and Michael Mansfield QC and a host of highly- respected journalists and campaigners. Why - because everyone knew they were innocent. Who has Bamber got fighting his corner - Simon Mckay and previously Giovanni Di Steffano ( awaiting trial on 28 charges of fraud). Enough said.
Wasn't Mansfield the QC in the Simon Hall case too? It be interesting to see if he comes back to it if the CCRC gives the go ahead. Somehow I have my doubts on both counts.
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As I previously posted this blaming Sheila is the only option left to Jeremy and his entourage. It is obvious from the direction the campaign has taken that they have no other option available to them. There never was a stranger or an intruder involved, this was all just more hot air put out there to confuse. The evidence relating to Sheila is very very clear however, there are no ambiguities or dubious facts. We can follow the trail of devastation as it proceeded from the master bedroom to the kitchen and then back again. We know what shots were fired where and when and we know that Nevill fought like a hero for his life. Isn't it rather ironic that he fought and survived the war and came home a hero only to be murdered in his twilight years by a conniving coward.
Sheila can never be implicated in the killings, it is an impossibility and I am quite sure the CCRC are very aware of this just as we are. There is no way his case will ever be referred to the court of appeal no matter how many fantasy stories are told. His only hope is to come clean and admit his crimes. Then and only then he might get an opportunity for parole at some stage but time is running out.
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Mansfield is sort of semi-retired now - he doesnt do as many cases and is much more choosy as to what he does take on.
For sure - they have been pushing this miscarriages of justice line for ages -trying to align themselves with the great miscarriages of justice of all time. Difference is that they have no legitimiate support. The Birmingham Six/ Guildford Four had great lawyers behind them like Gareth Peirce and Michael Mansfield QC and a host of highly- respected journalists and campaigners. Why - because everyone knew they were innocent. Who has Bamber got fighting his corner - Simon Mckay and previously Giovanni Di Steffano ( awaiting trial on 28 charges of fraud). Enough said.
Wasn't Mansfield the QC in the Simon Hall case too? It be interesting to see if he comes back to it if the CCRC gives the go ahead. Somehow I have my doubts on both counts.
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He wouldn't be the sort of guy to take Mrs Blumpkins nonsense lightly if what they say about him is in any way true, These older QC's with reputations like to hold onto them at all costs and all it would take to tarnish them is one messy case. Hall would be better with fresh senior counsel in any event as the arguments before the CCRC are based primarily on new information aside from the fibres issue which for me is a non starter in any event.
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Gosh, that's a good video, that roch has posted. Am I allowed to say that JB looked like a horribly cocky tw..?
He really, really thought that he was going to get away with it, didn't he?
I posted that video on here a while back Shona.
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Gosh, that's a good video, that roch has posted. Am I allowed to say that JB looked like a horribly cocky tw..?
He really, really thought that he was going to get away with it, didn't he?
I posted that video on here a while back Shona.
Sorry, Andy, I don't know how I missed it.
(Do you love the John Lewis snowman advert??!!)
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Gosh, that's a good video, that roch has posted. Am I allowed to say that JB looked like a horribly cocky tw..?
He really, really thought that he was going to get away with it, didn't he?
I posted that video on here a while back Shona.
Here is a link to your original post Andrea.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=633.msg21274#msg21274
Why don't you post it in the video library so that everyone can view it at ease?
http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=related&v=udJLbDXhTuk&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DudJLbDXhTuk%26feature%3Drelated&gl=GB
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Getting back to the subject matter of this thread it is no surprise that this old chestnut has raised its head again. Sheila is the perfect and convenient fall guy for them. She has nobody to speak for her any more. Colin is remarried and off to Cornwall doing his sculptures and her birth mother lives thousands of miles away in Canada if she is even still alive. For all intents and purposes the Bamber lot can say what they like about her and get away with it. I find this to be very distasteful in the extreme and as far as I am concerned anyone who makes derogatory comments about Sheila are fair game no matter what name they post under.
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Getting back to the subject matter of this thread it is no surprise that this old chestnut has raised its head again. Sheila is the perfect and convenient fall guy for them. She has nobody to speak for her any more. Colin is remarried and off to Cornwall doing his sculptures and her birth mother lives thousands of miles away in Canada if she is even still alive. For all intents and purposes the Bamber lot can say what they like about her and get away with it. I find this to be very distasteful in the extreme and as far as I am concerned anyone who makes derogatory comments about Sheila are fair game no matter what name they post under.
Totally agree with those sentiments Matthew. If they chosse to defame Sheila in death they open themself up to the same treatment imho. 8@??)(
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Getting back to the subject matter of this thread it is no surprise that this old chestnut has raised its head again. Sheila is the perfect and convenient fall guy for them. She has nobody to speak for her any more. Colin is remarried and off to Cornwall doing his sculptures and her birth mother lives thousands of miles away in Canada if she is even still alive. For all intents and purposes the Bamber lot can say what they like about her and get away with it. I find this to be very distasteful in the extreme and as far as I am concerned anyone who makes derogatory comments about Sheila are fair game no matter what name they post under.
Totally agree with those sentiments Matthew. If they chosse to defame Sheila in death they open themself up to the same treatment imho. 8@??)(
I couldn't have put it better myself James, an eye for an eye eh? We can add Julie, the Eatons, Boutflours, Pargeters, Stan the man and those officers from Essex Police who prosecuted the case as well as the forensic scientists and the pathologist because they all have been called liars and conspirators at some stage or other in Bamber's campaign.
I wonder have I missed anyone? 8-)(--)
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Getting back to the subject matter of this thread it is no surprise that this old chestnut has raised its head again. Sheila is the perfect and convenient fall guy for them. She has nobody to speak for her any more. Colin is remarried and off to Cornwall doing his sculptures and her birth mother lives thousands of miles away in Canada if she is even still alive. For all intents and purposes the Bamber lot can say what they like about her and get away with it. I find this to be very distasteful in the extreme and as far as I am concerned anyone who makes derogatory comments about Sheila are fair game no matter what name they post under.
Totally agree with those sentiments Matthew. If they chosse to defame Sheila in death they open themself up to the same treatment imho. 8@??)(
I couldn't have put it better myself James, an eye for an eye eh? We can add Julie, the Eatons, Boutflours, Pargeters, Stan the man and those officers from Essex Police who prosecuted the case as well as the forensic scientists and the pathologist because they all have been called liars and conspirators at some stage or other in Bamber's campaign.
I wonder have I missed anyone? 8-)(--)
That's what I mean by hypocrisy ! " Lookout " on the blue forum is irked that I have called her silly, old ***** . Well, quite mild really when compared to her continuous, disrespectful rants about poor Sheila . She herself has given away that she is over 60, so you need to come to terms dearie that you are no longer a spring chicken. Also, that you have worked as a nurse in mental health so you ought to know better then to stigmatise an individual you have never met. You clearly have little understanding of the specific details of Sheila's illness.
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Getting back to the subject matter of this thread it is no surprise that this old chestnut has raised its head again. Sheila is the perfect and convenient fall guy for them. She has nobody to speak for her any more. Colin is remarried and off to Cornwall doing his sculptures and her birth mother lives thousands of miles away in Canada if she is even still alive. For all intents and purposes the Bamber lot can say what they like about her and get away with it. I find this to be very distasteful in the extreme and as far as I am concerned anyone who makes derogatory comments about Sheila are fair game no matter what name they post under.
Totally agree with those sentiments Matthew. If they chosse to defame Sheila in death they open themself up to the same treatment imho. 8@??)(
I couldn't have put it better myself James, an eye for an eye eh? We can add Julie, the Eatons, Boutflours, Pargeters, Stan the man and those officers from Essex Police who prosecuted the case as well as the forensic scientists and the pathologist because they all have been called liars and conspirators at some stage or other in Bamber's campaign.
I wonder have I missed anyone? 8-)(--)
That's what I mean by hypocrisy ! " Lookout " on the blue forum is irked that I have called her silly, old ***** . Well, quite mild really when compared to her continuous, disrespectful rants about poor Sheila . She herself has given away that she is over 60, so you need to come to terms dearie that you are no longer a spring chicken. Also, that you have worked as a nurse in mental health so you ought to know better then to stigmatise an individual you have never met. You clearly have little understanding of the specific details of Sheila's illness.
Very true Dillon. There a million and one different forms of mental illness but it is clear that Sheila was in recovery and had faced her demons. She was looking forward to the possibility of a future with Colin and the boys and the few days stay at White House Farm was aimed at helping that recovery.
Jeremy however had other plans and those plans didn't include a future for anyone within the immediate family. He determined that he would get what he thought he was rightly owed and nobody was going to get in his way.
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I have heard of parents killing their own children when suffering mental illness or depression but has anyone heard of them killing their children and their parents at the same time. The whole thing strikes me as very strange if not even bizarre. >@@(*&) I would be keen to know if the Bamber case is unique in this.
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That's it in a nutshell Julie. How convenient for Bamber that all the people who died just happened to stand in the way of his inheritance.
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That's it in a nutshell Julie. How convenient for Bamber that all the people who died just happened to stand in the way of his inheritance.
We have heard much about the build up to the killings at White House farm. Julie and others gave evidence that Jeremy Bamber had been threatening to get rid of his parents for months. Nevill Bamber even told a neighbour that he was wary of his adopted son and would never turn his back to him for fear of the consequences. How dreadful that must have been for him, lille wonder he was driven to despair and in fact..tears over it all.
Julie told us how he planned to drug the family before setting fire to the house with them all in it but thought better of it as this would have destroyed some valuable artefacts. This is such an incredible story that it is highly unlikely it was just an invention. Julie also told how Bamber had her get tranquilers for him so he could try them out. Even Julie believed that he was just angry but that he wouldn't go through with it. Even on the morning of the murders she had told him to go back to bed when he had telephoned her at 3am????
Question is....why would she tell him to do that? If the situation was so bad and Nevill needed help then why was going back to bed an option? Am I missing something here??
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That's it in a nutshell Julie. How convenient for Bamber that all the people who died just happened to stand in the way of his inheritance.
We have heard much about the build up to the killings at White House farm. Julie and others gave evidence that Jeremy Bamber had been threatening to get rid of his parents for months. Nevill Bamber even told a neighbour that he was wary of his adopted son and would never turn his back to him for fear of the consequences. How dreadful that must have been for him, lille wonder he was driven to despair and in fact..tears over it all.
Julie told us how he planned to drug the family before setting fire to the house with them all in it but thought better of it as this would have destroyed some valuable artefacts. This is such an incredible story that it is highly unlikely it was just an invention. Julie also told how Bamber had her get tranquilers for him so he could try them out. Even Julie believed that he was just angry but that he wouldn't go through with it. Even on the morning of the murders she had told him to go back to bed when he had telephoned her at 3am????
Question is....why would she tell him to do that? If the situation was so bad and Nevill needed help then why was going back to bed an option? Am I missing something here??
As you say, Julie had heard all this before. She wasn't to know that this was indeed "the night", with all the family asleep under one roof, and a loaded gun left out. (Although there is no way in the world that Ralph would have left that gun for the boys to find.)
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That's it in a nutshell Julie. How convenient for Bamber that all the people who died just happened to stand in the way of his inheritance.
We have heard much about the build up to the killings at White House farm. Julie and others gave evidence that Jeremy Bamber had been threatening to get rid of his parents for months. Nevill Bamber even told a neighbour that he was wary of his adopted son and would never turn his back to him for fear of the consequences. How dreadful that must have been for him, lille wonder he was driven to despair and in fact..tears over it all.
Julie told us how he planned to drug the family before setting fire to the house with them all in it but thought better of it as this would have destroyed some valuable artefacts. This is such an incredible story that it is highly unlikely it was just an invention. Julie also told how Bamber had her get tranquilers for him so he could try them out. Even Julie believed that he was just angry but that he wouldn't go through with it. Even on the morning of the murders she had told him to go back to bed when he had telephoned her at 3am????
Question is....why would she tell him to do that? If the situation was so bad and Nevill needed help then why was going back to bed an option? Am I missing something here??
As you say, Julie had heard all this before. She wasn't to know that this was indeed "the night", with all the family asleep under one roof, and a loaded gun left out. (Although there is no way in the world that Ralph would have left that gun for the boys to find.)
The problem with the Bamber lot is that they have closed their eyes to the forensic evidence associated with Sheila and have chosen to go down the route of sheer speculation. Forensic material matching Sheila was found within the silencer on two counts. Blood was found initially which was the same group as Sheila and could not have come from animals as Bamber tried to suggest. DNA was obtained from inside the silencer some time after the trial which again was almost certainly a match to Sheila. These are the facts in this case. This taken together with the rest of the forensic evidence collected from Sheila and her clothing fails to place her anywhere near the killings. This is a hurdle which they will never be able to get over regardless of how many fantasy stories they invent.