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Alleged Miscarriages of Justice => Jeremy Bamber and the callous murder of his father, mother, sister and twin nephews. Case effectively CLOSED by CCRC on basis of NO APPEAL REFERRAL. => Topic started by: adam on January 24, 2015, 06:05:04 AM
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A lot of discussion on Neville's call to Bamber has been on why Neville would not phone Bamber. However what is the main reason he would phone ?
Neville obviously felt Bamber was a better option than telephoning other relatives and the Foakes's. And a better option than the police unless you believe Neville actually called them.
Neville hoped/expected Bamber to rush over, force entry into WHF and restrain/calm down Sheila. As well as not involve the police as Neville liked to keep things private.
Quite why Neville and June could not restrain/calm down Sheila themselves I do not know. If they couldn't, then Neville was putting Bamber in danger.
Why was Neville so very very wrong ?
Bamber did the complete opposite to what Neville expected/hoped. Ringing the police and not leaving his cottage for at least 30 minutes after Neville's call. Then driving very slowly to WHF, rather than rushing over.
Upon arriving at WHF he made no attempt to go within 50 feet of WHF. Unwilling to attempt to restrain and calm down Sheila as Neville hoped/expected. He failed to tell the police he knew of ways inside WHF.
Perhaps Bamber was scared and confused. Which is understandable. Neville obviously felt Bamber would be brave and, risk his own life and attempt to save his family.
Bamber also had a very poor relationship with Sheila. Telling the police she would not be pleased to see him. Saying himself decades later he did not understand her illness. Surely Neville knew this. He was both their father.
Why do people believe Neville made such a bad judgement call at 3am ?
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Nevill would not have phoned Jeremy, he would have dealt with Sheila as he had done on previous occasions. In any event Sheila doted on her adopted father, she would never have turned on him in the way Jeremy Bamber described.
The only thing Nevill got wrong was misjudging the extent of Jeremy's hate for him and most importantly, what he was capable of!
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Those who insist Neville phoned Jeremy come in two main camps- 1) those who know he didn't but refuse to admit the truth because they are using this case to suit some agenda they have; 2) those who don't want to believe Jeremy did it and thus are willing to ignore evidence and instead simply blindly believe what they choose to believe.
Anyone who thinks he is going to get either camp to admit their folly is misguided.
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The telephone handset left off the cradle is in my opinion very revealing. There was no reason why it should have been anywhere other than on its cradle. When Jeremy rang Goldhanger from the farmhouse he had to leave the handset off the cradle so that his own phone in Goldhanger would continue to ring long enough for him to be seen to answer the call.
Having done so and then hung up he had unintentionally blocked all incoming and outgoing calls to his own phone. Thus a reason for the mysterious delay in phoning the police. Truth is, he had blocked his own line until the automated system in the old exchange cleared it.
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The telephone handset left off the cradle is in my opinion very revealing. There was no reason why it should have been anywhere other than on its cradle. When Jeremy rang Goldhanger from the farmhouse he had to leave the handset off the cradle so that his own phone in Goldhanger would continue to ring long enough for him to be seen to answer the call.
Having done so and then hung up he had unintentionally blocked all incoming and outgoing calls to his own phone. Thus a reason for the mysterious delay in phoning the police. Truth is, he had blocked his own line until the automated system in the old exchange cleared it.
It is possible that Jeremy phoned himself and then answered but he could have used his answering machine to accomplish the same thing then went home and erased the tape. It is also possible he didn't call himself at all and simply claimed that the phone was used.
The other main reason for leaving the phone off the hook would be to support the bogus narrative he told.
He claimed the call was cut off. He wanted police to believe that Sheila found him on the phone, disconnected the call and attacked him at that point. So he thought leaving the phone off the hook supported her attacking him as opposed to him calmly hanging the phone up.
Jeremy thought police would believe Sheila grabbed the gun from the kitchen table (that is initially where he told them he left it) she threatened him, he called Jeremy then she attacked and killed him there and went upstairs killing everyone else. As it turns out though we know that the shooting started upstairs. Neville was shot upstairs then went to the kitchen while wounded.
So the whole notion of him using the kitchen phone to call Jeremy before any shooting started is not credible at all. He didn't make it to the kitchen till he was already wounded. It is just one of the things he didn't realize police would figure out.
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It is possible that Jeremy phoned himself and then answered but he could have used his answering machine to accomplish the same thing then went home and erased the tape. It is also possible he didn't call himself at all and simply claimed that the phone was used.
The other main reason for leaving the phone off the hook would be to support the bogus narrative he told.
He claimed the call was cut off. He wanted police to believe that Sheila found him on the phone, disconnected the call and attacked him at that point. So he thought leaving the phone off the hook supported her attacking him as opposed to him calmly hanging the phone up.
Jeremy thought police would believe Sheila grabbed the gun from the kitchen table (that is initially where he told them he left it) she threatened him, he called Jeremy then she attacked and killed him there and went upstairs killing everyone else. As it turns out though we know that the shooting started upstairs. Neville was shot upstairs then went to the kitchen while wounded.
So the whole notion of him using the kitchen phone to call Jeremy before any shooting started is not credible at all. He didn't make it to the kitchen till he was already wounded. It is just one of the things he didn't realize police would figure out.
That is a good point. That Bamber wanted to give the impression Neville got his 7 shots and brutal beating in one place, the kitchen. After picking up the phone.
But was there not twelve cartridges upstairs ?
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That is a good point. That Bamber wanted to give the impression Neville got his 7 shots and brutal beating in one place, the kitchen. After picking up the phone.
But was there not twelve cartridges upstairs ?
He didn't have the foresight to move some of the casings. This was the pre-CSI era where people are familiar with such. It would not have helped anyway because One bullet that grazed Neville ended up in the bed thus revealing he was shot upstairs plus Nevill tracked blood on his way to the kitchen.
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All part of the forensics picture, a picture which some still fail to acknowledge.
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This thread was started over 1.5 years ago with the title 'Why did Nevill get it so 'very, very' wrong? The first post ends with the question 'Why do people believe Nevill made such a bad judgement call at 3am' ? Ie why did NB call JB to tell him 'Sheila's gone crazy, she's got the gun'.
If opium poppies were being grown at WHF for an illegal purpose this is clearly a reason not to want the police turning up potentially observing the poppies and asking questions. The potential consequences:
- Police investigation
- Criminal trial
- Monetary fine
- Imprisonment
- Reputation in tatters
- Ostracised by family, friends and community
- Criminal record
- Police busting a drug cartel as a result of their investigations above and fear of reprisals
Most, If not all, in the innocent camp believe NB called JB AND EP. Those in the guilty camp don't believe NB called JB or EP at circa 3am. They believe JB shot NB before he had a chance to phone out. I think I'm about the only one that believes NB called JB but not EP.