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Alleged Miscarriages of Justice => Jeremy Bamber and the callous murder of his father, mother, sister and twin nephews. Case effectively CLOSED by CCRC on basis of NO APPEAL REFERRAL. => Topic started by: adam on February 03, 2015, 11:13:45 PM
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Why didn't it include Neville's alleged call to the police ?
There was a big fanfare only two years earlier. Front page news in national newspapers, long Youtube videos and chapters in the Official Site. It was not included in the 2002 appeal as they did not know about it then. It is still on the Official site and on Youtube videos.
There can only be one reason - It was not considered worthy of being included. Although the documents are apparently evidence that Jeremy Bamber did not kill his family. Jeremy, or at least his lawyers must have felt when it came to the crunch, it was unconvincing and not credible. The Daily Mirror is one thing, CCRC applications another.
There was enough time to include the evidence in the forthcoming CCRC application. After all the evidence was available to the public.
But surely it was worth including it to bulk up the application ? No harm in adding in there is there ? Obviously not. It seems it would actually do more harm than good. The application as a whole losing credibility if Neville's alleged call was included.
The other reason is the campaign team felt their CCRC application was so strong, that they simply did not not need this evidence. If they believed this, they were badly wrong. As the application did not get to the COA.
It was certainly a surprise when decades later the claim was made. Meaning the police lied from the first minutes on the massacre night. Not telling Jeremy of the call although they believed he was innocent.
Sadly for Jeremy once he made a this claim with such conviction, there is no going back. It's now public knowledge he believes the call happened. Quietly taking it off the Official site or deleting the Official Youtube videos won't go unnoticed. He has to stick to the claim. Even though some supporters do not believe the call happened and guilters just snigger at the suggestion.
Why do other people believe Neville's call was not in the CCRC application ?
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You have the reason Adam, it wasn't worthy of inclusion because it was invented by Jeremy in an attempt to manufacture an alibi.
Quite clearly, Jeremy never put much effort into it since such a call had it occurred would have contained so much more information and emotion not to mention background noise. Not surprisingly, this is all missing from Jeremy's report of the claimed call.
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That's a good point.
The police report of Neville's call will have a lot of extra information.
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It should be obvious that a case of this length and breadth will contain a number of procedural and administrative errors based on nothing more than genuine human error, ambiguous communication etc. I haven't really looked into the claims that NB called EP to have any strong views but my gut feeling tells me it is an administrative error.
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Ooops sorry Adam I didn't really answer your question. Given all the previous knock backs by the CCRC and CoA I don't believe JB's defence and campaign team would omit the phone call if it was remotely credible on the basis that they had enough in the bag. I would imagine the defence looked closely at the log and deemed it unworthy of inclusion? A number of weak points were raised at the CoA 2002 eg Porsche (shelved before appeal) and scabs to back of hands so there was no reason not to include the NB log claim even if it only had an outside chance. I don't believe the case loses brownie points for no-goers.
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Nevill never phoned the police because the police and civilian operators at Chelmsford Police Control Room would have testified had it occurred. Only Jeremy telephoned them. One call only.
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The CCRC will only consider evidence that they believe will raise the possibility of a conviction to be quashed.
The last submission (to my knowledge) was analysis of all 406 crime scene photos and expert testimony from crime and forensic professionals in the United States.
I don't think we could prove if the calls did or didn't happen, did itemised billing exist back then and would BT keep a record? I doubt it.
And if you could somehow prove those calls happened what is to stop a prosecution arguing that Jeremy made Neville's phone call? All Jeremy would have to do is ring his number from WHF just so it appears on paper a call was made.
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You're correct, BT had no record of the calls. Had there been more than one call to the police at Chelmsford I think we would have heard from the operators by now.
As it was, only one call requesting assistance was made to Chelmsford Police Station control room and that was received by PC West.
www.miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=170.msg1779#msg1779
PC West in turn relayed it to police civilian operator Malcolm Bonnet at Chelmsford Police HQ before contacting the officers at Witham Police Station on their personal radio link.
www.miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=177.msg1786#msg1786
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You're correct, BT had no record of the calls. Had there been more than one call to the police at Chelmsford I think we would have heard from the operator by now.
BT Itemised billing was first introduced to London customers only at an extra premium in 1984, Then everywhere else in 1988. So your never going to prove it did or didn't happen.
However there are still 350,000 sheets of paper the police have in regards to this case. If any call was made to 999 it would have been recorded on this such device. Sadly the tapes where always erased after a month to make room for more recordings
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/06/29/article-2166125-13D59356000005DC-582_634x844.jpg)
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Even most members on the JB forum don't believe Nevill called police. Even Lookout said it would make no sense for Nevill to phone Jeremy if he planned to call police. Naturally once lookout found out how much it would help Jeremy if Neville called she became one of the few to vote it happened.
It's plainly obvious Nevill never called police. Had he done so then police wwould have responded as a result of his call they would not have waited for Jeremy to call let alone have told the responders they were responding as a result of Jeremy's call. Moreover, there would not have bene any reason to hide it initially and it would have been told to the family to quash their doubts. in fact it would have been raised to them before they even voiced their doubts.
This issue is a good measure of how deluded someone is only the most deluded assert this babble.
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It all leaves a nasty taste in the mouth.
Bamber trying to con the public. Making a serious enough claim that it gets onto the front pages of national newspapers. If the claim is true it automatically makes him innocent. The Daily Mirror is read by millions so it will increase his support.
After the Daily Mirror article further claims are made on the Official Site.
Bamber was hoping no one would notice that Neville's alleged call was not included in the CCRC application two years later.
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It would be better for Bamber if people believed Neville's alleged call was included in the CCRC application.
There is a whole chapter on the OS about the CCRC. Saying it is not fit for purpose.
People can then accuse the CCRC for getting it wrong and not referring his application to the COA. While at the same time still believing Neville called the police.
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It all leaves a nasty taste in the mouth.
Bamber trying to con the public. Making a serious enough claim that it gets onto the front pages of national newspapers. If the claim is true it automatically makes him innocent. The Daily Mirror is read by millions so it will increase his support.
After the Daily Mirror article further claims are made on the Official Site.
Bamber was hoping no one would notice that Neville's alleged call was not included in the CCRC application two years later.
Adam I get the feeling JB's campaign team and others call the shots. JB has very limited access to the outside world and is reliant on others to do his bidding?
I doubt most Daily Mirror readers are even aware of JB's case let alone the finer details of phone calls etc. Editors will closely monitor sales and internet traffic to plug anything remotely popular. Even after the hairy one from the sparsely populated island engineered the following it didn't make it down South. Why not? My guess is it was a flop in the North. The case is 30 years old and most under say 45ish will have no recollection of it. I'm obviously an exception 8(0(* Those that do recall the case are unlikely to have any particular interest in it; hahaha save a few oddballs eg the likes of us *&*%£
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/524489/Mass-killer-Jeremy-Bamber-s-threat-to-Scots-author-Harrison