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Off Topic and General Discussions => Off topic, general discussions and the Wide Awake Club. => Topic started by: AerialHunter on December 23, 2015, 09:22:48 PM
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Mr John Cannan has spent the last 28 years behind bars for the murder of Mrs Shirley Banks in 1986. Much to his own disadvantage he has maintained his innocence during his incarceration, the system being determined to keep him detained as he is "In Denial Of Murder", IDOM for short. This, for the uninitiated, is a modern day version of the ducking stool, it's just carried out over 40 years instead of 40 minutes, confess and we'll let you go, deny and you die.
There are a number of discrepancies in the investigation which remain questionable, even the superb investigation team, led by the excellent Bryan Saunders expressed doubt on occasion when looking at the evidence, that doubt was maintained by Saunders right up to the trial. The thing the police hadn't spotted is that they were, in fact, too thorough. Between the investigators and the forensic team they found everything that was left for them to find. This simple fact accounts for all the "errors" in the case.
This case is the tip of an iceberg and the police don't want to know. A number of outstanding cases in and around the Bristol area have been linked, and still they have their heads in the sand. A sad indictment of the times, I'm no longer afraid to say.
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Mr John Cannan has spent the last 28 years behind bars for the murder of Mrs Shirley Banks in 1986. Much to his own disadvantage he has maintained his innocence during his incarceration, the system being determined to keep him detained as he is "In Denial Of Murder", IDOM for short. This, for the uninitiated, is a modern day version of the ducking stool, it's just carried out over 40 years instead of 40 minutes, confess and we'll let you go, deny and you die.
There are a number of discrepancies in the investigation which remain questionable, even the superb investigation team, led by the excellent Bryan Saunders expressed doubt on occasion when looking at the evidence, that doubt was maintained by Saunders right up to the trial. The thing the police hadn't spotted is that they were, in fact, too thorough. Between the investigators and the forensic team they found everything that was left for them to find. This simple fact accounts for all the "errors" in the case.
This case is the tip of an iceberg and the police don't want to know. A number of outstanding cases in and around the Bristol area have been linked, and still they have their heads in the sand. A sad indictment of the times, I'm no longer afraid to say.
Yeah I am sure John Cannan is innocent - In a parallel universe somewhere far far away.
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For sure Cannan is guilty as sin, his behaviour prior to his arrest for murder was intolerable, of that there is no doubt, his own admission of armed robbery, rape, deceit, etc are all well documented. But the hard facts remain that he never targeted women purely with the intent of causing them harm, everything was a secondary event during the pursuit of a robbery. Don't get me wrong, he has served the sentence he should have got when he was given 8 years for the attack in Leamington Spa, I don't have the slightest shred of sympathy for him, 28 years is about right for rape in my view, however, the fact remains that he did not kill Mrs Shirley Banks. After his incarceration the attacks on women continued, the ruling powers have made it quite clear what our opinion is, but, unfortunately for them, some of us are not that compliant. They never considered that the attacks were connected, they steadfastly refuse to even consider such an approach even though we offered to try and help them. The police and the judiciaries primary consideration is to maintain the status of their own position and prevent it being called into question, it is not to seek justice, a result, any result in fact is the only objective, and they do not give a monkeys who gets the blame, that is not their problem.
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Yet more evidence of the UK police suffering from an outbreak of ineptitude. Have a read about Romano van Der Dussen, incarcerated for years for a crime he could not have committed, and just draw the parallels with Cannan. Hopeless, absolutely hopeless.
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Yet more evidence of the UK police suffering from an outbreak of ineptitude. Have a read about Romano van Der Dussen, incarcerated for years for a crime he could not have committed, and just draw the parallels with Cannan. Hopeless, absolutely hopeless.
What makes you think Cannan's case is a MOJ?...... A murderer continuously claiming innocence is hardly evidence. Jeremy Bamber has been doing that for decades and he is guilty beyond any doubt.
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What makes you think Cannan's case is a MOJ?...... A murderer continuously claiming innocence is hardly evidence. Jeremy Bamber has been doing that for decades and he is guilty beyond any doubt.
Tim, I think you mean that you believe Bamber is "guilty beyond any doubt" !
He might well be guilty: I am very much on the fence on this one, but not everyone believes he is guilty, so there must be some doubt.
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Tim,
The true aim was to take revenge on Annabel Rose (Dixey), she had acted as solicitor to the killers first wife during the divorce case late 1986. Look at the murder of Melanie Hall, the police even went as far as determining that Cannan had orchestrated her abduction and murder from his cell by ordering a proxy murder. Which planet are they on? All his attacks follow the same pattern, Linda Cook was one of his as well. Everything about the material evidence used to convict Cannan could have been planted on him.
Shirley Banks may well have know her killer as well, they are the same age and over the last day we have discovered that they were in the same area in their childhood/youth. Might go some way to explaining why Shirley Banks made a quite calm phone call to her employer to cry off sick without sounding as if she had spent the last twelve hours being held against her will by an abductor.
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Graham Mcgredy-Hunt wrote a book about his search for Suzy Lamplugh, in it he highlights some critical information, but probably is unaware of what he's done. Shame really, he was so close, so very, very close, and yet as they say, no banana.
His angle was that Fred West carried out attacks Cannan was blamed for, it was if he had hold of a key meant for that type of padlock, it was just the wrong padlock. If only he'd have known where to look.
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Quite, and that which is owes nothing whatsoever to the wait of evidence in its favor, for it either is or is not irrespective of the evidence in either direction. Many times convictions should likely be overturned.
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The police themselves identified the flaw in their own case. One of their number pointed out that the similarities between Shirley Banks and Melanie Hall were so consistent that they could not be ignored, they went as far as interviewing Cannan in his cell under the assumption that he had orchestrated the attack on Hall using a proxy, an ex cellmate or someone he had spent time behind bars with. Not once did they consider that the real killer was still out there, that they had screwed up in monumental style.
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Trying to find out if Cannan has a legal representative at present, tried to contact Flo Krause but she's another one that talks the talk but never walks the walk. If anyone has some info either post here or PM me.
TVM
AH
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Tried Matthew Claughton at Olliers, Manchester. Nil response. Any other suggests from the members welcome.
AH
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Hello all this is a very interesting thread as I never read before of doubts about Cannan's conviction. Was Shirley Banks' Mini car not found in Cannan's garage and her fingerprint on a piece of paper at his flat? Genuine question and again I do believe that there are some corrupt police about who will plant evidence and lie their heads off. However I do find hard to believe that they could plant a car in Cannan's garage?
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6331279/Suzy-Lamplugh-murder-police-dig-former-garden-prime-suspects-mother.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6331279/Suzy-Lamplugh-murder-police-dig-former-garden-prime-suspects-mother.html)
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6331279/Suzy-Lamplugh-murder-police-dig-former-garden-prime-suspects-mother.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6331279/Suzy-Lamplugh-murder-police-dig-former-garden-prime-suspects-mother.html)
I remember when Suzy disappeared, and I have always followed possible new developments in the case. I do hope, for the sake of her family and friends, that she is found, and they get closure, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if they don't. Cynical me----------------------
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Would be good for them to finally get closure, like you I hope it happens but wonder if it ever will
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Interesting turn of events. The timing couldn’t be more astonishing, just when we discovered the link we were searching for to Over Stowey and the immediate area where Shirley Bank’s body was found, this happens. What is driving the police to spend money they haven’t got on a search based on a tip off from someone in prison that was given to them so long ago. Perhaps they are so desperate to find anything to keep Cannan from being released so we can’t get near him, the whole thing is being portrayed in the press as if Cannan is the only suspect, steering the minds of the general, and gullible, public.
We’re still here Mr Plod, we haven’t and never will go away. You refused to listen to what we wanted to explain to you, you closed the door to us. Keep digging, it keeps you out of our way. Cannan was no murderer, and that realisation is growing on you, you had him clutching at straws, now it’s your turn.
AH
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http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=8060.msg499615#msg499615
Prisoners like Cannon still have access to the outside world. They have the time to follow trends and some of them have the ability to socially engineer groups of people to support them.
The impunity enjoyed by prisoners like Cannon as I've stated elsewhere needs addressing with immediate effect IMO.
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This slimy monobrowed creep reminds me of Ted Bundy. A sweet-talking pseudo pretending to admire Ghandi, LOL!!! and Bertrand Russell, or should that be Bertram Mills?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-U3mmHpaS6U (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-U3mmHpaS6U)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwjzZB_gZdY&feature=share (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwjzZB_gZdY&feature=share)
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Myster, you make me laugh, you are spot on, Cannan is a hopeless lazy w....... and a crap armed robber to boot.
BUT HE AINT NO KILLER!
AH
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'"There were countless mistakes and errors at the start of the investigation. It's entirely the police's fault that Cannan wasn't convicted of Suzy's murder before
Mr Banks now would like to see officers brought to justice for their significant failings in properly convicting Cannan.
He said: 'It would be very rewarding to see some of those police officers in the dock charged with criminal conspiracy at some stage.'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6349071/Husband-Shirley-Banks-murdered-John-Cannan-says-police-covered-failings.html
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'"There were countless mistakes and errors at the start of the investigation. It's entirely the police's fault that Cannan wasn't convicted of Suzy's murder before
Mr Banks now would like to see officers brought to justice for their significant failings in properly convicting Cannan.
He said: 'It would be very rewarding to see some of those police officers in the dock charged with criminal conspiracy at some stage.'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6349071/Husband-Shirley-Banks-murdered-John-Cannan-says-police-covered-failings.html
There were countless mistakes and errors at the start of the investigation into JA"s murder.
It's entirely the police's fault Simon Hall's conviction was flawed. He should have been convicted for a sexually motivated murder as opposed to the made up burglary gone wrong motive!
The significant failings in properly convicting these perpetrators are what gives the guilty plausible deniability in order to maintain innocence in the first place.
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Myster, you make me laugh, you are spot on, Cannan is a hopeless lazy w....... and a crap armed robber to boot.
BUT HE AINT NO KILLER!
AH
So Shirley Banks' freshly-sprayed blue Mini with false registration plates was a plant by Avon & Somerset Police? I think in this case I'd rather believe them, the jury's unanimous guilty verdict and Maurice Drake's judgement over you any day!
https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=ijNAAAAAIBAJ&sjid=RFkMAAAAIBAJ&pg=3302,4280501 (https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=ijNAAAAAIBAJ&sjid=RFkMAAAAIBAJ&pg=3302,4280501)
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/7652995/suzy-lamplugh-murder-suspect-police-tapes/ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/7652995/suzy-lamplugh-murder-suspect-police-tapes/)
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In 1987 police interviews Cannan came across as an arrogant, conceited and controlling prick. Seems nothing had changed by the year 2000.
And for those who still want to believe in AerialHunter's 'he ain't no killer' claptrap... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPGljgtJQjU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPGljgtJQjU)
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Myster, Cannan came across as conceited and controlling because he knew he hadn’t killed Banks. You believe what you want but we’ve been investigating the true killer and the deposition of the body was quite specific it follows the same profile as all the others. I’m quite interested in what your motives are, perhaps you inclined to obey the police and hold them in some esteem, I’m not quite so easily influenced.
AH
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Just been reading up on this delightful piece of shit. Definitely guilty as hell. It doesn't matter what the evidence is or how terrible the crime there is always someone prepared to claim they are innocent or fitted up.
This is main reason I gave up on this board. Worse than Tesco's in many ways.
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In 1987 police interviews Cannan came across as an arrogant, conceited and controlling prick. Seems nothing had changed by the year 2000.
And for those who still want to believe in AerialHunter's 'he ain't no killer' claptrap... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPGljgtJQjU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPGljgtJQjU)
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The simple fact remains that a particular group of people have been pursued by the police for the series of attacks focused around Bath and Bristol, and, as a consequence of that inquiry, have had destroyed their lives and careers. Evidence designed to incriminate has been most carefully hidden on repeat occasions. But it is all kept out of sight, the police appreciate those who help them by disguising what they are doing and the creeps keeping it all quiet like to be patted on the head (seperate list of names available).
The police then identified that the same hand was at play in the murders of both Shirley Banks (1987) and Melanie Hall (1996) and suggested that Cannan (jailed since 1987) had orchestrated the murder of Hall from his cell, probably by coercing a proxy he had shared prison time with. As if!
Cannan and Dixie were both part of that same social group that the police went after, (well Dixie more than Cannan to be fair), I've got the list of names, times, dates and places in a folder two feet away from me. The police never knew all these people were connected, they were just acting on information received, some quality tip offs, top quality, they came from within their own cosy little high fiving world.
The man who attacked and brutally murdered Shirley Banks attacked my wife in 1992. We know who he is, and he knows I'm coming for him, the police are not interested, not in the least bit. We understand their position in not wanting to act.
AH
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Mr John Cannan has spent the last 28 years behind bars for the murder of Mrs Shirley Banks in 1986. Much to his own disadvantage he has maintained his innocence during his incarceration, the system being determined to keep him detained as he is "In Denial Of Murder", IDOM for short. This, for the uninitiated, is a modern day version of the ducking stool, it's just carried out over 40 years instead of 40 minutes, confess and we'll let you go, deny and you die.
Much of the research regarding prisoners and denial is outdated and fundamentally flawed for varying reasons so your argument regarding IDOM holds little weight.
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The simple fact remains that a particular group of people have been pursued by the police for the series of attacks focused around Bath and Bristol, and, as a consequence of that inquiry, have had destroyed their lives and careers. Evidence designed to incriminate has been most carefully hidden on repeat occasions. But it is all kept out of sight, the police appreciate those who help them by disguising what they are doing and the creeps keeping it all quiet like to be patted on the head (seperate list of names available).
The police then identified that the same hand was at play in the murders of both Shirley Banks (1987) and Melanie Hall (1996) and suggested that Cannan (jailed since 1987) had orchestrated the murder of Hall from his cell, probably by coercing a proxy he had shared prison time with. As if!
Cannan and Dixie were both part of that same social group that the police went after, (well Dixie more than Cannan to be fair), I've got the list of names, times, dates and places in a folder two feet away from me. The police never knew all these people were connected, they were just acting on information received, some quality tip offs, top quality, they came from within their own cosy little high fiving world.
The man who attacked and brutally murdered Shirley Banks attacked my wife in 1992. We know who he is, and he knows I'm coming for him, the police are not interested, not in the least bit. We understand their position in not wanting to act.
AH
Do you refer to this "Dixie?"
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4994794/sally-anne-bowman-murder-mark-dixie-rapes-romano-van-der-dussen/
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3440874/Dutchman-wrongly-jailed-rape-freed-TWELVE-YEARS-Spanish-prison-British-killer-Sally-Anne-Bowman-admitted-carrying-sex-attack.html
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Interesting turn of events. The timing couldn’t be more astonishing, just when we discovered the link we were searching for to Over Stowey and the immediate area where Shirley Bank’s body was found, this happens. What is driving the police to spend money they haven’t got on a search based on a tip off from someone in prison that was given to them so long ago. Perhaps they are so desperate to find anything to keep Cannan from being released so we can’t get near him, the whole thing is being portrayed in the press as if Cannan is the only suspect, steering the minds of the general, and gullible, public.
We’re still here Mr Plod, we haven’t and never will go away. You refused to listen to what we wanted to explain to you, you closed the door to us. Keep digging, it keeps you out of our way. Cannan was no murderer, and that realisation is growing on you, you had him clutching at straws, now it’s your turn.
AH
What do you mean by "we can't get near him?" Can't you contact his solicitor or write to him directly?
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We’ve tried contacting Matthew Claughton at Olliers, and Flo Krause, but we didn’t offer them any money up front. We presume that’s why they won’t talk to us.
The Dixey we refer to was Annabel Dixey (née Rose), John Cannans girlfriend. She was a solicitor.
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We’ve tried contacting Matthew Claughton at Olliers, and Flo Krause, but we didn’t offer them any money up front. We presume that’s why they won’t talk to us.
The Dixey we refer to was Annabel Dixey (née Rose), John Cannans girlfriend. She was a solicitor.
Thanks for clarifying
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The simple fact remains that a particular group of people have been pursued by the police for the series of attacks focused around Bath and Bristol, and, as a consequence of that inquiry, have had destroyed their lives and careers. Evidence designed to incriminate has been most carefully hidden on repeat occasions. But it is all kept out of sight, the police appreciate those who help them by disguising what they are doing and the creeps keeping it all quiet like to be patted on the head (seperate list of names available).
The police then identified that the same hand was at play in the murders of both Shirley Banks (1987) and Melanie Hall (1996) and suggested that Cannan (jailed since 1987) had orchestrated the murder of Hall from his cell, probably by coercing a proxy he had shared prison time with. As if!
Cannan and Dixie were both part of that same social group that the police went after, (well Dixie more than Cannan to be fair), I've got the list of names, times, dates and places in a folder two feet away from me. The police never knew all these people were connected, they were just acting on information received, some quality tip offs, top quality, they came from within their own cosy little high fiving world.
The man who attacked and brutally murdered Shirley Banks attacked my wife in 1992. We know who he is, and he knows I'm coming for him, the police are not interested, not in the least bit. We understand their position in not wanting to act.
AH
I find it absolutely staggering and incredible that you keep on insisting that Cannan is innocent of Shirley Banks' murder, after all the evidence that was stacked up against him, which you carefully skip questions on, such as why he had: SB's Mini (renumber-plated and poorly hand-painted, not resprayed apparently) locked away in his rented garage near Foye House, her tax disk in his BMW glove compartment, and her thumbprint on the surveillance document he commissioned about his former solicitor squeeze, in his flat.
Glaringly obvious that you're the usual run-of-the-mill cop conspiracy theorist... you know, the same type who believe all the baloney that Bamber was framed by Essex Police.
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I wont carefully skip questions on anything. You have to realise that the perpetrator is an expert in what the police will go on in terms of building a case, and he's either got balls of steel or he's not afraid of the consequences. Everything on Cannan was plantable, and it was planted. Cannan's explanation of buying the car is entirely plausible and the false number plates were already there. I'm not going to start a mud slinging match over this but even the police had their doubts, serious ones and so did the women who were involved with him, its the press that hyped the negative side.
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As I thought, another like Teskowski, with an open agenda against the police.
Shirley Banks' Mini? Bought from some shifty guy (whose name Hodgkiwhatchamacallit, Cannan plucked out of thin air and the police never traced) at a car auction (which Cannan couldn't even remember the name of or where it was)? He must be the unluckiest rapist in the world to have bought that specific tinny piece of junk when he already had an upmarket black BMW to impress his potential dating agency victims with.
If I were you AH, I’d give up trying to defend the undefendable. Thank God Cannan won’t be released any time soon... Judge Drake’s recommendation that he should never see the outside of prison walls and the latest Worboys fiasco have put paid to that. The prison parole board, should he ever appear before one, will be extra vigilant in freeing a violent depraved rapist to carry on his evil trade and murder again.
Your talents are wasted. You should join that other paranoid shower – the Jeremy Bamber Supporters Club.
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Myster, you read my thoughts, ha ha. I want to give up, I don't want to defend Cannan and I've no inclination to engineer his release from prison, BUT, the inquiry we have undertaken has unveiled the evidential case we weren't really looking for. If we're right the his the highest probability the our primary suspect was behind the murder of Shirley Banks, it dovetails exactly in terms of the motive, the placing of the body in the stream at Over Stowey, the placing of incriminating evidence for the police to find came second, for a particular reason.
If I'm proved right you can buy the beers, if Cannan dies in prison I'll buy them.
AH
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It rather looks like desperation on the part of the police, digging up gardens and patios, plastering Cannan's picture and the great tale anywhere that they can simply to keep the gullible public believing what they're told, its been a while since 1987, they don't want people not knowing or forgetting now Cannan gets towards the end of his sentence. What a shame for plod, its all coming back to bite them, poor things. Perhaps a mutual truncheon polishing will cheer them up, something they must be good at.
AH
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Tim,
The true aim was to take revenge on Annabel Rose (Dixey), she had acted as solicitor to the killers first wife during the divorce case late 1986. Look at the murder of Melanie Hall, the police even went as far as determining that Cannan had orchestrated her abduction and murder from his cell by ordering a proxy murder. Which planet are they on? All his attacks follow the same pattern, Linda Cook was one of his as well. Everything about the material evidence used to convict Cannan could have been planted on him.
Shirley Banks may well have know her killer as well, they are the same age and over the last day we have discovered that they were in the same area in their childhood/youth. Might go some way to explaining why Shirley Banks made a quite calm phone call to her employer to cry off sick without sounding as if she had spent the last twelve hours being held against her will by an abductor.
Wow, the police had forensic proof Cannan murdered Shirley Banks. He even had her mini in his garage.
He definitely kidnapped and murdered her.
But I have intelligence that he didn’t abduct Suzy
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Would like to know what intelligence that is then?