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Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: faithlilly on February 18, 2016, 09:32:47 AM
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Following a rash of stories in the tabloids in the last few days focusing on the remaining McCann children I wondered what fellow members of the forum felt about this use of these vulnerable children to gain column inches ?
In a few months the twins will be starting secondary school, a totally different proposition from the, arguably, more sheltered environment of the primary school. Children can be cruel, and teenagers especially so, so is it really helpful to have the twins names and actions spread all over the tabloids, especially as there seems no discernible reason why they have been exposed to public scrutiny in this way. Is Kate really unable to tell the relevant journalist that while she and her husband are 'fair game' discussion of their children is ' off limits' ? Would this really be so hard ?
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/features/6937582/The-twins-are-doing-really-well-but-they-want-their-sister-back-Kate-McCann-opens-up-about-Maddies-siblings.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3451086/Kate-McCann-reveals-told-twins-disappearance-daughter-Madeleine-children-want-sister-back.html with (moderated) comments below
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/495325/Madeleine-McCann-siblings-miss-her-Praia-de-Luz-disappear-Gerry-Kate-McCann-summary
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Following a rash of stories in the tabloids in the last few days focusing on the remaining McCann children I wondered what fellow members of the forum felt about this use of these vulnerable children to gain column inches ?
In a few months the twins will be starting secondary school, a totally different proposition from the, arguably, more sheltered environment of the primary school. Children can be cruel, and teenagers especially so, so is it really helpful to have the twins names and actions spread all over the tabloids, especially as there seems no discernible reason why they have been exposed to public scrutiny in this way. Is Kate really unable to tell the relevant journalist that while she and her husband are 'fair game' discussion of their children is ' off limits' ? Would this really be so hard ?
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/features/6937582/The-twins-are-doing-really-well-but-they-want-their-sister-back-Kate-McCann-opens-up-about-Maddies-siblings.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3451086/Kate-McCann-reveals-told-twins-disappearance-daughter-Madeleine-children-want-sister-back.html with (moderated) comments below
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/495325/Madeleine-McCann-siblings-miss-her-Praia-de-Luz-disappear-Gerry-Kate-McCann-summary
I totally agree Faith, if anyone else were to use them in such a manner undoubtedly there would be complaints.
It should be pointed out that all the articles are based on the initial interview which Kate McCann gave to the Sun newspaper.
The McCanns are shamelessly exploiting their remaining children in my opinion. It's all very well keeping the twins in the loop but using them in such a manner is surreal.
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Now they are using the twins as a ' good marketing strategy ' it seems.
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Following a rash of stories in the tabloids in the last few days focusing on the remaining McCann children I wondered what fellow members of the forum felt about this use of these vulnerable children to gain column inches ?
In a few months the twins will be starting secondary school, a totally different proposition from the, arguably, more sheltered environment of the primary school. Children can be cruel, and teenagers especially so, so is it really helpful to have the twins names and actions spread all over the tabloids, especially as there seems no discernible reason why they have been exposed to public scrutiny in this way. Is Kate really unable to tell the relevant journalist that while she and her husband are 'fair game' discussion of their children is ' off limits' ? Would this really be so hard ?
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/features/6937582/The-twins-are-doing-really-well-but-they-want-their-sister-back-Kate-McCann-opens-up-about-Maddies-siblings.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3451086/Kate-McCann-reveals-told-twins-disappearance-daughter-Madeleine-children-want-sister-back.html with (moderated) comments below
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/495325/Madeleine-McCann-siblings-miss-her-Praia-de-Luz-disappear-Gerry-Kate-McCann-summary
I would think that those who despise the mccanns and every word that comes out of their mouth will be outraged and others will be indifferent...totally predictable and boring
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She is getting desperate and I wonder why &%+((£
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I would think that those who despise the mccanns and every word that comes out of their mouth will be outraged and others will be indifferent...totally predictable and boring
Point being that Kate McCann never learns, she lost one child because of her selfishness and abject stupidity and now she is using the twins solely to get Press headlines.
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I don't have a problem with a general update on the twins.
What I have a problem with is:
- "experts" insisting that their sister is dead with no proof.
- "experts" accusing their parents of various forms of criminal activity
- nutters threatening to kidnap them to "make Kate talk"
- armchair detectives snapping them and uploading their photos.
- nutters announcing they're going to inform them that their sister's body is under RM's driveway
- nutters who perpetuate long-debunked myths in the hope that the twins will eventually learn the "truth"
- "satirists" who post obscene / upsetting cartoons / graphics / photoshopped images
- nutters pamphleting their village as they were about to start school
- interfering busibodies attempting to get their parents struck off the medical register
- interfering busibodies attempting to get the twins taken away from their parents
- nutters who were petitioning to get the case reopened because they assumed that the parents would soon be locked up, then who petitioned to get the case shut down again when they realised that this wasn't the case
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I don't have a problem with a general update on the twins.
What I have a problem with is:
- "experts" insisting that their sister is dead with no proof.
- "experts" accusing their parents of various forms of criminal activity
- nutters threatening to kidnap them to "make Kate talk"
- armchair detectives snapping them and uploading their photos.
- nutters announcing they're going to inform them that their sister's body is under RM's driveway
- nutters who perpetuate long-debunked myths in the hope that the twins will eventually learn the "truth"
- "satirists" who post obscene / upsetting cartoons / graphics / photoshopped images
- (...)
so...so...true
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I don't have a problem with a general update on the twins.
What I have a problem with is:
- "experts" insisting that their sister is dead with no proof.
- "experts" accusing their parents of various forms of criminal activity
- nutters threatening to kidnap them to "make Kate talk"
- armchair detectives snapping them and uploading their photos.
- nutters announcing they're going to inform them that their sister's body is under RM's driveway
- nutters who perpetuate long-debunked myths in the hope that the twins will eventually learn the "truth"
- "satirists" who post obscene / upsetting cartoons / graphics / photoshopped images
- (...)
Very well said Carana.
Amazing the outrage at these press stories which pale into insignificance when compared with the "muck " posted online about their parents.
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Point being that Kate McCann never learns, she lost one child because of her selfishness and abject stupidity and now she is using the twins solely to get Press headlines.
Is it selfish and stupid to keep awareness of a missing child in the public domain ... or to use your horrific experience to help try to recover the children of others who may one day find themselves in a similar situation and traumatised by their child going missing?
All a matter of opinion.
The notion that the McCann children are being exploited by their parents is risible.
**Snip
Kate told how her family have been "completely amazed" by the fact Maddie, whose 13th birthday is in May, is still so much in the minds of the public despite being missing for so long.
She said the "outpouring" of support has kept them going over the past nine years.
This week Kate launched a two week campaign in The Sun to get a million people to sign up to receive free text alerts when a child goes missing or is believed to be in imminent danger.
The Child Rescue Alert campaign encourages people to sign up by texting the word HERO and their postcode to 85080.
It is run by charity Missing People in partnership with the National Crime Agency and education technology company Groupcall.
So far more than 330,000 have pledged their support for the campaign.
Registration costs a standard network text message rate.
Sign up free at www.childrescuealert.org.uk
Read more: http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/Missing-Madeleine-McCann-s-twin-brother-sister/story-28761684-detail/story.html#ixzz40W1Q5o1b
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And I have a problem with parents of a missing child who:
- Jeopardize their children's safety by their selfish conduct.
- Blame everyone else while refusing to take responsibility for their own actions.
- Claim abduction in the absence of any evidence.
- Invent timings and refuse to take part in an official reconstruction.
- Refuse to cooperate with police including answering questions while under caution.
- Undermine the official police investigation and publish childish slants aimed at serving police officers.
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so...so...true
I just added to my growing list...
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I don't have a problem with a general update on the twins.
What I have a problem with is:
- "experts" insisting that their sister is dead with no proof.
- "experts" accusing their parents of various forms of criminal activity
- nutters threatening to kidnap them to "make Kate talk"
- armchair detectives snapping them and uploading their photos.
- nutters announcing they're going to inform them that their sister's body is under RM's driveway
- nutters who perpetuate long-debunked myths in the hope that the twins will eventually learn the "truth"
- "satirists" who post obscene / upsetting cartoons / graphics / photoshopped images
- nutters pamphleting their village as they were about to start school
- interfering busibodies attempting to get their parents struck off the medical register
- interfering busibodies attempting to get the twins taken away from their parents
- nutters who were petitioning to get the case reopened because they assumed that the parents would soon be locked up, then who petitioned to get the case shut down again when they realised that this wasn't the case
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You do seem to have a lot of problems.
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Is it selfish and stupid to keep awareness of a missing child in the public domain ... or to use your horrific experience to help try to recover the children of others who may one day find themselves in a similar situation and traumatised by their child going missing?
All a matter of opinion.
The notion that the McCann children are being exploited by their parents is risible.
**Snip
Kate told how her family have been "completely amazed" by the fact Maddie, whose 13th birthday is in May, is still so much in the minds of the public despite being missing for so long.
She said the "outpouring" of support has kept them going over the past nine years.
This week Kate launched a two week campaign in The Sun to get a million people to sign up to receive free text alerts when a child goes missing or is believed to be in imminent danger.
The Child Rescue Alert campaign encourages people to sign up by texting the word HERO and their postcode to 85080.
It is run by charity Missing People in partnership with the National Crime Agency and education technology company Groupcall.
So far more than 330,000 have pledged their support for the campaign.
Registration costs a standard network text message rate.
Sign up free at www.childrescuealert.org.uk
Read more: http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/Missing-Madeleine-McCann-s-twin-brother-sister/story-28761684-detail/story.html#ixzz40W1Q5o1b
The association of the McCanns with a child alert system is what is laughable. These are the parents whose selfish actions resulted in them losing their daughter (reason for disappearance still undetermined) which renders the project somewhat tainted by Kate McCann's involvement.
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I don't have a problem with a general update on the twins.
What I have a problem with is:
- "experts" insisting that their sister is dead with no proof.
- "experts" accusing their parents of various forms of criminal activity
- nutters threatening to kidnap them to "make Kate talk"
- armchair detectives snapping them and uploading their photos.
- nutters announcing they're going to inform them that their sister's body is under RM's driveway
- nutters who perpetuate long-debunked myths in the hope that the twins will eventually learn the "truth"
- "satirists" who post obscene / upsetting cartoons / graphics / photoshopped images
- (...)
Excellent post, Carana.
Even if the McCanns wished to protect the twins from all of that and more they could not. The only way to protect them is if they have a total understanding of exactly what happened as far as they know it and the truth of all that has happened at the time and since.
I think they must have gradually had to introduce the twins to what is on the internet ... it would be impossible for them to be allowed access otherwise.
I wonder if there is a single sceptic who would welcome it if their family was being portrayed in the way the McCann family and any associated with them have been.
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I don't have a problem with a general update on the twins.
What I have a problem with is:
- "experts" insisting that their sister is dead with no proof.
- "experts" accusing their parents of various forms of criminal activity
- nutters threatening to kidnap them to "make Kate talk"
- armchair detectives snapping them and uploading their photos.
- nutters announcing they're going to inform them that their sister's body is under RM's driveway
- nutters who perpetuate long-debunked myths in the hope that the twins will eventually learn the "truth"
- "satirists" who post obscene / upsetting cartoons / graphics / photoshopped images
- (...)
Likewise, I have a problem with:
''experts'' who think Madeleine who has come to no harm.
''experts'' who say there was an abduction, without the slightest bit of real evidence to support it.
''experts'' who denigrate Amaral for trying to do his job, yet won't criticize the mccanns for failing to look after their children properly.
''experts'' who say loads of people have done the same as the mccanns , yet fail to back up the 'loads'.
''experts'' who satarise Amaral or any anyone else who doesn't toe the line of the mccann story.
''experts'' who make up fantasy stories about global conspiracies in an unproved abduction.
and there's more.
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The association of the McCanns with a child alert system is what is laughable. These are the parents whose selfish actions resulted in them losing their daughter (reason for disappearance still undetermined) which renders the project somewhat tainted by Kate McCann's involvement.
I think there is reason to believe they are perfectly aware that dining less than two minutes from their children was the wrong thing to do. They have said so often enough and they are having to live with the loss of their daughter.
The work they have done trying to assist others must be cathartic as well as being an exceedingly useful endeavour on behalf of people with whom she has perfect empathy ... knowing exactly what they are experiencing and going through.
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I think there is reason to believe they are perfectly aware that dining less than two minutes from their children was the wrong thing to do. They have said so often enough and they are having to live with the loss of their daughter.
The work they have done trying to assist others must be cathartic as well as being an exceedingly useful endeavour on behalf of people with whom she has perfect empathy ... knowing exactly what they are experiencing and going through.
The McCanns are a disgrace, they have never made any attempt to personally search for Maddie in Portugal. Gerry's career comes first but then that was always the case.
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I happen to be of the opinion that the media should respect the twins right to a private life.
For Kate to discuss the twins private lives with the Sun was therefore a mistake, IMO.
The story was supposed to be about the Child Rescue Alert system, yet all the papers have majored on the twins, to the extent that the second link in the OP does not even mention the alert system.
This bit was the part that troubled me the most - She added: "They still raise money at school for the Find Madeleine Fund which is great."
I do hope that stops before they go to secondary school, otherwise they are putting themselves in the firing line for whatever some kids will invariably dish out.
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The McCanns are a disgrace, they have never made any attempt to personally search for Maddie in Portugal. Gerry's career comes first but then that was always the case.
IMO the idea that the only way to search is for the McCanns to keep making trips to Portugal is ridiculous - and is the least productive and the most wasteful use of resources. It also directly contradicts the expert advice that the best way to 'search' is to keep the child's profile as high as possible for as long as possible in the public eye as that gives them the best chance of being found.
However, Kate has made several trips back to Portugal. Please provide a cite that none of those trips involved physical searching on her part.
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IMO the idea that the only way to search is for the McCanns to keep making trips to Portugal is ridiculous - and is the least productive and the most wasteful use of resources. It also directly contradicts the expert advice that the best way to 'search' is to keep the child's profile as high as possible for as long as possible in the public eye as that gives them the best chance of being found.
However, Kate has made several trips back to Portugal. Please provide a cite that none of those trips involved physical searching on her part.
Cite the proof she has searched.
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Likewise, I have a problem with:
''experts'' who think Madeleine who has come to no harm.
''experts'' who say there was an abduction, without the slightest bit of real evidence to support it.
''experts'' who denigrate Amaral for trying to do his job, yet won't criticize the mccanns for failing to look after their children properly.
''experts'' who say loads of people have done the same as the mccanns , yet fail to back up the 'loads'.
''experts'' who satarists Amaral or any anyone else who doesn't toe the line of the mccann story.
''experts'' who make up fantasy stories about global conspiracies in an unproved abduction.
and there's more.
How does that negatively impact the twins?
They will certainly already know that their parents weren't there when Madeleine disappeared while they were sleeping. That may - or may not - have created some insecurity issues along the way, but if so family love and counsellors will presumably have helped them through that and I see no need for others to insist on it every single day on social media.
Another potential issue would be if the parents became hyperprotective of the twins, thus stifling their development. However the parents and counsellors have managed to deal with that is, again, a family matter.
How do threats from nutters about firebombing their home, kidnapping them, spying on them, constant unsubstantiated accusations about their parents and all the rest of it help their development?
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The Twins have been warned of what could happen and that some really nasty people might attempt to tell them lies. This is just Kate's way of letting everyone know.
A necessary precaution. No doubt one of many. The Twins can't escape this, so much better that they know.
But I wouldn't say much for the chances of anyone who tries.
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How does that negatively impact the twins?
They will certainly already know that their parents weren't there when Madeleine disappeared while they were sleeping. That may - or may not - have created some insecurity issues along the way, but if so family love and counsellors will presumably have helped them through that and I see no need for others to insist on it every single day on social media.
Another potential issue would be if the parents became hyperprotective of the twins, thus stifling their development. However the parents and counsellors have managed to deal with that is, again, a family matter.
How do threats from nutters about firebombing their home, kidnapping them, spying on them, constant unsubstantiated accusations about their parents and all the rest of it help their development?
How many of these so called threats are real ?
Since if they were the police would be investigating and charging these people.
As to the rest, in time those children will grow up and judge for themselves, as to who is telling the truth.
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You do seem to have a lot of problems.
Do you find it acceptable?
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How many of these so called threats are real ?
Since if they were the police would be investigating and charging these people.
As to the rest, in time those children will grow up and judge for themselves, as to who is telling the truth.
And their lives could be made hell, by nasty children being influenced by people like you who continually cast suspicion on their parents. Fancy a child being told by their classmates that their parents murdered their beloved sister, becuase of nasty unpleasant suspicious people implanting that thought
They could be psychologically damaged for life becos of people.
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Cite the proof she has searched.
I'm not the one claiming that the McCanns have never made any attempt to personally search in Portugal.
You should direct your question to the poster who did make that claim - i.e Angelo and ask him for his proof.
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And their lives could be made hell, by nasty children being influenced by people like you who continually cast suspicion on their parents. Fancy a child being told by their classmates that their parents murdered their beloved sister, becuase of nasty unpleasant suspicious people implanting that thought
They could be psychologically damaged for life becos of people.
Their parents caused the damage to them, by their actions in not protecting them or Madeleine.
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And their lives could be made hell, by nasty children being influenced by people like you who continually cast suspicion on their parents. Fancy a child being told by their classmates that their parents murdered their beloved sister, becuase of nasty unpleasant suspicious people implanting that thought
They could be psychologically damaged for life becos of people.
I somewhat doubt that Stephen would encourage his children or grandchildren to behave like this.
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I'm not the one claiming that the McCanns have never made any attempt to personally search in Portugal.
You should direct your question to the poster who did make that claim - i.e Angelo and ask him for his proof.
Their last admitted search was the morning after the night she disappeared.
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IMO the idea that the only way to search is for the McCanns to keep making trips to Portugal is ridiculous - and is the least productive and the most wasteful use of resources. It also directly contradicts the expert advice that the best way to 'search' is to keep the child's profile as high as possible for as long as possible in the public eye as that gives them the best chance of being found.
However, Kate has made several trips back to Portugal. Please provide a cite that none of those trips involved physical searching on her part.
Had one or both returned to the Luz area and taken part in a search they would have gained so much support and respect from locals but they chose not to instead farming out the search to criminal entities like Metodo and Oakley.
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Do you find it acceptable?
I'm one of Davel's indifferent ones. Not big on empathy.
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I somewhat doubt that Stephen would encourage his children or grandchildren to behave like this.
Indeed.
I would never encourage anyone to do what the mccanns did.
Absolutely right.
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I'm one of Davel's indifferent ones. Not big on empathy.
OK. So no empathy towards the twins, either?
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OK. So no empathy towards the twins, either?
The McCanns should not be using their children as Press fodder... end off!!
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The McCanns should not be using their children as Press fodder... end off!!
in your opinion...and that's all it is
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OK. So no empathy towards the twins, either?
Not really. Its not as if empathy will improve the situation they find themselves in.
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in your opinion...and that's all it is
Maybe we should ask the general public?
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Indeed.
I would never encourage anyone to do what the mccanns did.
Absolutely right.
That doesn't deserve the courtesy of a reply.
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Maybe we should ask the general public?
You will find them in the comments section of most rubbish tabloids. Directed there by their Cess Pit Forums.
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I totally agree Faith, if anyone else were to use them in such a manner undoubtedly there would be complaints.
It should be pointed out that all the articles are based on the initial interview which Kate McCann gave to the Sun newspaper.
The McCanns are shamelessly exploiting their remaining children in my opinion. It's all very well keeping the twins in the loop but using them in such a manner is surreal.
hardly surprising really.....do they really care what happens to them ....or are they to wrapped up in there own importance to care...
leaving them in the first place says it all to me
they did;t care then ...they don't care now
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The McCanns should not be using their children as Press fodder... end off!!
The best stunt since John Selwyn Gummer and "Eat the f*****g beef burger you little madam"
And just as tasteless.
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how dare they exploit the twins like this and making them earn money at school? the supporters will lap this up of course
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This Forum leaves me in despair on occasions.
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Their last admitted search was the morning after the night she disappeared.
I suggest you read Angelo's post again. Or alternatively perhaps you can provide evidence that at NO time during Kate's several visits to Portugal over the last few years has she ever spent any time 'searching' for her daughter.
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Likewise, I have a problem with:
''experts'' who think Madeleine who has come to no harm.
''experts'' who say there was an abduction, without the slightest bit of real evidence to support it.
''experts'' who denigrate Amaral for trying to do his job, yet won't criticize the mccanns for failing to look after their children properly.
''experts'' who say loads of people have done the same as the mccanns , yet fail to back up the 'loads'.
''experts'' who satarise Amaral or any anyone else who doesn't toe the line of the mccann story.
''experts'' who make up fantasy stories about global conspiracies in an unproved abduction.
and there's more.
well said this is child explotation imo
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great, another thread started with the sole aim of McCann bashing. I'm sure the twins are very grateful to Faithlilly for all her efforts in keeping the hatred for their parents alive on the internet.
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Had one or both returned to the Luz area and taken part in a search they would have gained so much support and respect from locals but they chose not to instead farming out the search to criminal entities like Metodo and Oakley.
So IOW you can't provide even a scrap of evidence that during Kate's visits to Portugal since Madeleine disappeared she has never spent any of that time searching for her daughter.
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You will find them in the comments section of most rubbish tabloids. Directed there by their Cess Pit Forums.
I don't think so.
You really need to, appreciate that some people are just up to here with the mccanns doing the 'poor me' act in the press.
and now using their kids to get money. &%&£(+ &%&£(+ &%&£(+
Why don't the mccanns use their own money .
Why should other people pay for the mistakes of the mccanns ?
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I suggest you read Angelo's post again. Or alternatively perhaps you can provide evidence that at NO time during Kate's several visits to Portugal over the last few years has she ever spent any time 'searching' for her daughter.
The mccanns have claimed to be searching.
It isa up to the mccanns to prove they have, and not Angelo to prove they haven't.
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Is physically searching the only means of doing so?
Does campaigning to highlight the fact that she is still missing not count?
If so, what advice would you give to the parents of other missing children?
- never attempt to publicise what your missing child looks like
- never attempt to appeal to the public
- never encourage the public to post missing child posters
- never implore an abductor to drop off the missing person at a place of safety
- never ask the public to remain vigilant
- never report anything suspicious to LE, Crimestoppers or to a hotline
- never attempt to get a shelved cased reopened.
Is that the gist?
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Is physically searching the only means of doing so?
Does campaigning to highlight the fact that she is still missing not count?
If so, what advice would you give to the parents of other missing children?
- never attempt to publicise what your missing child looks like
- never attempt to appeal to the public
- never encourage the public to post missing child posters
- never implore an abductor to drop off the missing person at a place of safety
- never ask the public to remain vigilant
- never report anything suspicious to LE, Crimestoppers or to a hotline
- never attempt to get a shelved cased reopened.
Is that the gist?
and she hasn't been found in nearly nine years of 'searching'................
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and she hasn't been found in nearly nine years of 'searching'................
That is, indeed, the sad fact so far.
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The mccanns have claimed to be searching.
It isa up to the mccanns to prove they have, and not Angelo to prove they haven't.
Wrong. The McCanns don't have to prove anything.
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The mccanns have claimed to be searching.
It isa up to the mccanns to prove they have, and not Angelo to prove they haven't.
I would have assumed that the penny might have dropped by now that the Policia Judiciaria and Scotland yard are searching for Madeleine McCann.
An action which has come about only because of the exhaustive efforts of her parents to have her case reopened ... efforts which have been questioned, vilified, criticised etc. etc.
Who is going to suggest that is not a more effective course of action than prowling the streets of Luz ... knocking on the doors of people who,like Shining, very likely were not resident at the time ... demanding ... " Excuse me, I wonder if you would mind terribly if I invaded your home to 'look for' my kidnapped daughter ... what do you know about it ... when did you have that patio laid ... you won't mind if I dig up that flower bed ...???"
Hmmm ... not terribly sane, is it?
The abuse directed at the twins does not emanate from their loving, caring parents ... it is born of downright hatred for a family who have suffered greatly ... but are seen as fair game because they have risen above that to move heaven and earth to find out what happened to Madeleine.
Perhaps the motivation for that hatred should be given some self examination.
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well said this is child explotation imo
Child exploitation is being responsible for the botched investigation which failed to turn up a single clue about what may have happened to a missing child.
Compounded by writing a book to excuse that failure by accusing the parents of the missing child of involvement in her disappearance ... interpreted by some as murder ... while making a lot of money out of his failure.
There is the money making media careers of 'documentary makers' ... pundits ... doctored videos ... sale of books and pamphlets etc.
All of which exploit Madeleine McCann.
Since Madeleine's disappearance ... not only have the twins had to cope with losing their big sister ... they have had to be protected from the utter tripe projected on the internet about their family.
That is child exploitation ... if you give it some rational thought ... even you may see that.
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I would have assumed that the penny might have dropped by now that the Policia Judiciaria and Scotland yard are searching for Madeleine McCann.
An action which has come about only because of the exhaustive efforts of her parents to have her case reopened ... efforts which have been questioned, vilified, criticised etc. etc.
Who is going to suggest that is not a more effective course of action than prowling the streets of Luz ... knocking on the doors of people who,like Shining, very likely were not resident at the time ... demanding ... " Excuse me, I wonder if you would mind terribly if I invaded your home to 'look for' my kidnapped daughter ... what do you know about it ... when did you have that patio laid ... you won't mind if I dig up that flower bed ...???"
Hmmm ... not terribly sane, is it?
The abuse directed at the twins does not emanate from their loving, caring parents ... it is born of downright hatred for a family who have suffered greatly ... but are seen as fair game because they have risen above that to move heaven and earth to find out what happened to Madeleine.
Perhaps the motivation for that hatred should be given some self examination.
Which abuse directed at the twins?
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Which abuse directed at the twins?
Beat me to it.
Has abuse already been directed at the twins? When? By whom? Why?
I can see a bunch of ignorant teenagers doing so at secondary school. That is what ignorant teenagers are capable of getting up to.
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The mccanns have claimed to be searching.
It isa up to the mccanns to prove they have, and not Angelo to prove they haven't.
LOL you've wriggled so much - you've now got everything completely back to front. It was Angelo who claimed as a fact that the McCanns have never personally searched for Madeleine in Portugal. So it's up to him to provide evidence to back that up. Unless he was privy to Kate's itineries - there is no way he can possibly know what her plans were on her visits to Portugal - or whether or not they involved searching for her daughter. And that is a fact - no matter how many times you try to move the goalposts.
It's against forum rules to make claims which you can't substantiate. As far as I am concerned Angelo's claim is one of them.
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Beat me to it.
Has abuse already been directed at the twins? When? By whom? Why?
I can see a bunch of ignorant teenagers doing so at secondary school. That is what ignorant teenagers are capable of getting up to.
Do you not think the abuse directed at their parents upsets the twins
It absolute must do
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Beat me to it.
Has abuse already been directed at the twins? When? By whom? Why?
I can see a bunch of ignorant teenagers doing so at secondary school. That is what ignorant teenagers are capable of getting up to.
Do you think that constant accusations against their parents on social media inhibit or facilitate potential bullying?
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why would 11 year olds be looking up the mcanns and shouldnt children have internet supervison??
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Now they are using the twins as a ' good marketing strategy ' it seems.
Yeah, like the Maddie 'LOOK' eye... They seem better at Marketing and making money, than they do at child rearing it would seem.
Nice she mentions that children make them money for the 'Fund' at school,this will be 2 fold marketing;
1. to encourage people 'give to the fund'
2. great PR for the company which should be known as Madeleine Beth McCann investment company.
( if she is found dead, the money dries up, lets give out the story 'we do know she is alive')...
Ah the Sun, great newspaper choice of the dregs as some on here say....says it all really when some bemoan about trashy tabloids comment sections...*snigger's* pots n kettles.
Those twins will one day come face to face with actual facts and one being where their 3 year old sister challenged their parents about leaving them alone, crying....Yes. That day will come. Will they shrug it off as a lie? Will they blame Amaral or Brenda or internet trolls? Hmm
I do hope the twins being used as marketing/advertising tools get a share of the money. How much does the CEO make again? hmmm
The other thing to think about is
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Beat me to it.
Has abuse already been directed at the twins? When? By whom? Why?
I can see a bunch of ignorant teenagers doing so at secondary school. That is what ignorant teenagers are capable of getting up to.
Carana and Davel beat me to it.
Anyone in the future who wishes to abuse the twins has such a stack of ready made material available they will be spoilt for choice ... and they will be able to keep up the abuse for an indeterminate period without once repeating themselves.
I have already seen on-line comment from what I presume are adults with suggestions for what the twins should be contacted with.
If you do not think the twins have already been targeted ... may I refer you to the serial abuse of a fragile parent which could have had serious repercussions for their stable family life ... or the failed endeavours to take action against their parents for child neglect ... for what purpose??? ... to heap more stress on an already unbearable situation? ... or to really triumph by having the twins taken into local authority care?
Make no mistake about it ... the twins photographs have been circulated on the internet in the past, that was abuse and when they come across a pornographic image of their mother - which they will - because I have and nowhere near anything to do with anything McCann ... that will be further abuse.
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why would 11 year olds be looking up the mcanns and shouldnt children have internet supervison??
Children listen to their parents chatting, hence raising the next generation of people lacking empathy who might see fit to torment The Twins.
Very few children are actually bullies, mostly from families who have raised them to be so. Although the odd one or two take it upon themselves.
But the school that The Twins attend will be very aware of this.
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Do you not think the abuse directed at their parents upsets the twins
It absolute must do
I would have thought that some of the comments directed at their parents, should the twins have heard of it, almost certainly would upset the twins.
I certainly would not have been comfortable if this had been directed at my parents. And I came from a family whom I felt loved me and strove hard to get better for me than they had themselves.
And this is the nub of the problem. Who wins in a battle, IF that battle is the twins v the world, or even just some elements of the world? Let me think. 12 year old immature, inexperienced brains v fully grown, experienced and hostile brains?
Or even 12 year old, immature, inexperienced brains v other 12 year old, inexperienced but hostile brains.
I wouldn't let my kids go into either situation.
Which is why I would not be letting my kids run Madeleine cash-raising schemes in secondary school (they haven't done that yet, I know). Which is why I would insist with the media that they had a right to privacy (it's not their fault they got headlines, is it?). Which is why, in advance, I would be putting other safeguards in place with their school. (Not crossing fingers and hoping.)
As a person with a near-total lack of empathy (that's me), I can see it all coming. Some of it is unavoidable. Much of it is. I may not do empathy, but I do do foresight combined with action.
The twins deserve at least that. They should not be tabloid fodder.
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The other thing to think about is the affect on their mental health and well being. Kate n Gerry are adults, very media savvy and have an agenda. They told the twins at an early age that a bad man took Maddie. They are probably telling the kids that people round the world believe them and nasty trolls are liars...but the twins will suffer, they are being exploited in a cruel,disgusting way much the same as they exploit the name of a then 3 year old child.
Kate wants to be very famous and very rich, her behaviour is making sure of that. She wants to bring her children on board to validate that she is the best mum ever.Big sister Maddie would have something to say about that! She wants people to believe that if Maddie is found alive: they will be reunited and Maddie will be very happy that her family paid people to look for her- mibees not so happy about being'abducted', and Maddie will tell the world it was not her parents fault at all... Could Hans Christian Andersen beat this one?
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I would have thought that some of the comments directed at their parents, should the twins have heard of it, almost certainly would upset the twins.
I certainly would not have been comfortable if this had been directed at my parents. And I came from a family whom I felt loved me and strove hard to get better for me than they had themselves.
And this is the nub of the problem. Who wins in a battle, IF that battle is the twins v the world, or even just some elements of the world? Let me think. 12 year old immature, inexperienced brains v fully grown, experienced and hostile brains?
Or even 12 year old, immature, inexperienced brains v other 12 year old, inexperienced but hostile brains.
I wouldn't let my kids go into either situation.
Which is why I would not be letting my kids run Madeleine cash-raising schemes in secondary school (they haven't done that yet, I know). Which is why I would insist with the media that they had a right to privacy (it's not their fault they got headlines, is it?). Which is why, in advance, I would be putting other safeguards in place with their school. (Not crossing fingers and hoping.)
As a person with a near-total lack of empathy (that's me), I can see it all coming. Some of it is unavoidable. Much of it is. I may not do empathy, but I do do foresight combined with action.
The twins deserve at least that. They should not be tabloid fodder.
Perhaps a super injunction will be attempted, though it would have no affect on the internet.
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Perhaps a super injunction will be attempted, though it would have no affect on the internet.
Harassment Charges might.
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Harassment Charges might.
Judging by the Dossier results, probably not.
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Judging by the Dossier results, probably not.
it isnt illegal to have a opinion online or not
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Do you think that constant accusations against their parents on social media inhibit or facilitate potential bullying?
Facilitate.
It is not the twins fault that they may be bullied by the actions of people on social media. The problem to solve is - they may be bullied. How does one solve this problem, as best one can?
Surely not to pop them in the tabloids. That's the bit I simply don't get.
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The other thing to think about is the affect on their mental health and well being. Kate n Gerry are adults, very media savvy and have an agenda. They told the twins at an early age that a bad man took Maddie. They are probably telling the kids that people round the world believe them and nasty trolls are liars...but the twins will suffer, they are being exploited in a cruel,disgusting way much the same as they exploit the name of a then 3 year old child.
Kate wants to be very famous and very rich, her behaviour is making sure of that. She wants to bring her children on board to validate that she is the best mum ever.Big sister Maddie would have something to say about that! She wants people to believe that if Maddie is found alive: they will be reunited and Maddie will be very happy that her family paid people to look for her- mibees not so happy about being'abducted', and Maddie will tell the world it was not her parents fault at all... Could Hans Christian Andersen beat this one?
Para 1. The twins are being exploited by people like you.
People who dont care what they say about their parents, and even Madekleine has had crude and cruel jokes made about her. This is bound to affect the twins , maybe psychologically as well.
I predict that if the twins do suffer psychologically then you guys will blame it on the parents .... and duck any blame yourselves by twisting words and facts. As we so often see on this forum
The second para is pure tommy rot and souinds likie the rantings of a woman jealous of Kate.
IMO.
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Judging by the Dossier results, probably not.
Targeting The Twins would be a whole new ball game.
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it isnt illegal to have a opinion online or not
Several people have recently been convicted for that.
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Perhaps a super injunction will be attempted, though it would have no affect on the internet.
How does Kate get a super injunction if Kate is the one speaking to the tabloids?
Have I missed the point of your post?
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How does Kate get a super injunction if Kate is the one speaking to the tabloids?
Have I missed the point of your post?
Only in so much as I was thinking along the lines of not allowing photos of the twins or where they go to school.
Indeed, if they changed their name and went to school somewhere else (Scotland, or Canada) that might make matters easier.
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Targeting The Twins would be a whole new ball game.
I don't think we see anyone targeting the twins, I think their privacy should be respected by all sides including the McCs. To bring them to the forefront of publicity smacks of using them as a human shield, i.e. Don't say anything nasty about us or you will upset the twins.
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I don't think we see anyone targeting the twins, I think their privacy should be respected by all sides including the McCs. To bring them to the forefront of publicity smacks of using them as a human shield, i.e. Don't say anything nasty about us or you will upset the twins.
children are oftern used as human shields sadly
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I don't think we see anyone targeting the twins, I think their privacy should be respected by all sides including the McCs. To bring them to the forefront of publicity smacks of using them as a human shield, i.e. Don't say anything nasty about us or you will upset the twins.
What about that Stephen Birch character?
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What about that Stephen Birch character?
He is a prat.
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children are oftern used as human shields sadly
Cite please
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He is a prat.
But he does exist and has threatened to target The Twins. In fact, he says he has already done so by approaching children at the same school.
He might be a prat, but he is a very dangerous one. And I doubt that he is alone.
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But he does exist and has threatened to target The Twins. In fact, he says he has already done so by approaching children at the same school.
He might be a prat, but he is a very dangerous one. And I doubt that he is alone.
Exactly
There are sickos out there who will go out iof their way to get at The Mccanns by targetting the children.
Anything to put the boot in.
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But he does exist and has threatened to target The Twins. In fact, he says he has already done so by approaching children at the same school.
He might be a prat, but he is a very dangerous one. And I doubt that he is alone.
They're very active again on that web page, Eleanor.
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Para 1. The twins are being exploited by people like you.
Reply: Evidence please you must have that . you know nothing about me.
People who dont care what they say about their parents, and even Madekleine has had crude and cruel jokes made about her. This is bound to affect the twins , maybe psychologically as well.
Reply: Indeed, disgusting as that is, it could all have been avoided if only her parents has protected them more.
I predict that if the twins do suffer psychologically then you guys will blame it on the parents .... and duck any blame yourselves by twisting words and facts. As we so often see on this forum
Reply: So you are claiming the twins are not affected at at all at this time by what has happened, what about that bad man story?, sister being abducted whilst sleeping in the same room as them. You are stating that they are not affected by this at all. And you are suggesting they may suffer because of people on this forum?
The second para is pure tommy rot and souinds likie the rantings of a woman jealous of Kate.
Reply@ au contraire... I have all my family in tact, all doing very well, all well balanced. And my wealth, which exceeds Kate's, was earned honestly- without exploiting my children. what part of her life do you believe I am jealous?
IMO.
My replies in orange.
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They're very active again on that web page, Eleanor.
can you give the addie please. By pm if you prefer.
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Only in so much as I was thinking along the lines of not allowing photos of the twins or where they go to school.
Indeed, if they changed their name and went to school somewhere else (Scotland, or Canada) that might make matters easier.
Interesting thought, but I consider it a tad extreme.
They need their parents to shield them from a patently obvious possibility.
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can you give the addie please. By pm if you prefer.
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They're very active again on that web page, Eleanor.
Really? Could you PM me a link, please. I want to know what these people are up to.
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But he does exist and has threatened to target The Twins. In fact, he says he has already done so by approaching children at the same school.
He might be a prat, but he is a very dangerous one. And I doubt that he is alone.
Why not report him to the police if you think the children are in danger of this creep. ( I have never heard of him)
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He is a prat.
A Major prat, and he also believes the mccanns claim of abduction.
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Sorry, Misty, but I can't have that link on this Forum.
Requests by PM if anyone wants it.
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Why not report him to the police if you think the children are in danger of this creep. ( I have never heard of him)
You don't seem to have heard of much.
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Only in so much as I was thinking along the lines of not allowing photos of the twins or where they go to school.
Indeed, if they changed their name and went to school somewhere else (Scotland, or Canada) that might make matters easier.
... there are no "people who have the right to voice their opinions as they see fit ... or who have the right to "doubt" and "question" in Scotland or Canada ???
... the internet isn't global?
Just take a step back and listen to yourself please ... would you approve if children of yours had to change their names and move, not to a school in a different town but to a school in a land separated from all they know and love by the Atlantic ocean??
Make matters easier ... WOW ... what an attitude!
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You don't seem to have heard of much.
I don't crawl around the internet with an obsessive interest in this case. I also do not associate with people who love or hate the McCanns. I have an independant view of events as presented by various mediums and comment on them. I also challenge and give opinions on the families behaviours. Like the supporters do to ANYONE who does not toe the Mccann line.
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... there are no "people who have the right to voice their opinions as they see fit ... or who have the right to "doubt" and "question" in Scotland or Canada ???
... the internet isn't global?
Just take a step back and listen to yourself please ... would you approve if children of yours had to change their names and move, not to a school in a different town but to a school in a land separated from all they know and love by the Atlantic ocean??
Make matters easier ... WOW ... what an attitude!
I mentioned earlier that I didn't do empathy 8(0(* I've really no interest in what happens to them, though I don't wish them harm.
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I mentioned earlier that I didn't do empathy 8(0(* I've really no interest in what happens to them, though I don't wish them harm.
...also it is the family's continuous,constant media precence which made it and keeps if global. Empathy indeed.
Jassi you do know by not crying your eyes out and wringing your hands on a daily basis that makes you.... all sorts of horrible adjectives* and nouns.
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I mentioned earlier that I didn't do empathy 8(0(* I've really no interest in what happens to them, though I don't wish them harm.
It isn't a question of "empathy". It is a question of what is right and what is wrong. There is no way the twins can fail to be adversely affected by the open hostility and lies reiterated day and daily about their family.
Your suggestion that to escape its effect, one remedy would involve changing their names and moving abroad is unworkable for the simple reason there is no escape for anyone who is on the wrong side of the McCann divide from the perpetrators of these outrages.
Utterly risible and predictable the faux outrage at a mother telling that her children are kept up to date with developments in the search for their sibling.
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It isn't a question of "empathy". It is a question of what is right and what is wrong. There is no way the twins can fail to be adversely affected by the open hostility and lies reiterated day and daily about their family.
Your suggestion that to escape its effect, one remedy would involve changing their names and moving abroad is unworkable for the simple reason there is no escape for anyone who is on the wrong side of the McCann divide from the perpetrators of these outrages.
Utterly risible and predictable the faux outrage at a mother telling that her children are kept up to date with developments in the search for their sibling.
So that is their misfortune. What do you suggest I should do about it?
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...also it is the family's continuous,constant media precence which made it and keeps if global. Empathy indeed.
Jassi you do know by not crying your eyes out and wringing your hands on a daily basis that makes you.... all sorts of horrible adjectives* and nouns.
There has been little 'media presence' going on since the end was achieved of having Madeleine's case reopened.
Madeleine ... remember her??
The little girl who all the publicity and media presence has been about. There are people who have raised various objections to the cost of this, you may have read some of their objections or maybe not??
As the anniversary of Madeleine's abduction with her birthday a few days later approaching ... there is interest ... and while there is, there is an excellent opportunity to ensure people remember exactly what and who all the expense is about.
It is also worth mulling over what 'active' or 'live' means in the context of an investigation.
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So that is their misfortune. What do you suggest I should do about it?
That is a question for you.
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That is a question for you.
Well, I'm going to do nothing, except to continue disbelieving a word the McCanns say. How about you?
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I don't think we see anyone targeting the twins, I think their privacy should be respected by all sides including the McCs. To bring them to the forefront of publicity smacks of using them as a human shield, i.e. Don't say anything nasty about us or you will upset the twins.
Their privacy is protected, the McCann's stopped all photographing of the twins years ago.
I read on line some stupid woman whilst donating to the Amaral fund said her child had donated pocket money to the Amaral fund as the child had been told all about the nasty McCann's and she hoped it would go back to the twins through the children.
Unfortunately you get people like this, any normal adult would keep what they thought away from their children not poison their minds into believing what they do, but some are so thick and ignorant they don't do that.
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Well, I'm going to do nothing, except to continue disbelieving a word the McCanns say. How about you?
That is quite ridiculous, but the norm with some, because they left the children they must be lying about everything. All the other friends left their children too but no one says anything about them.
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There has been little 'media presence' going on since the end was achieved of having Madeleine's case reopened.
Madeleine ... remember her??
The little girl who all the publicity and media presence has been about. There are people who have raised various objections to the cost of this, you may have read some of their objections or maybe not??
As the anniversary of Madeleine's abduction with her birthday a few days later approaching ... there is interest ... and while there is, there is an excellent opportunity to ensure people remember exactly what and who all the expense is about.
It is also worth mulling over what 'active' or 'live' means in the context of an investigation.
No amount of money is going to find Maddie. AND no amount of money is going to find out what happened to her if this was the case, then she would have been found by now.
There will be no arrests as no one is going to confess, and any witnesses to any abduction will have been eliminated or would be threatened with implication. If Maddie is dead her remians will be well disposed of- if she is alive she may not be aware or her situation, or who she really is, and may not care to be reunited to her real parents if she was made aware.
This forum is guilty of being used as a platformnot to talk about Maddie or her suffering ( which her parents claim came to no harm), but to defend the parents at all costs. SO bit hypocritical to mention Maddie being the centre of all media attention brought by her mother for her 'charity'.
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That is quite ridiculous, but the norm with some, because they left the children they must be lying about everything. All the other friends left their children too but no one says anything about them.
So they did and I don't believe much of what they have said, either.
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I believe the McCann's are quite right in keeping the twins 'in the loop'. They are explaining everything to them and letting them know exactly what is happening so that they know the truth, then if anything is said to them they do not feel upset that they are hearing something that they didn't have a clue about, also if anything untoward is said they know that the person is wrong and will be able to react accordingly.
There is no way the twins can be kept from all the goings on, the McCann's can't stop them finding things out as they get older, neither, as they want the hunt to continue for Madeleine can the McCann's just sweep everything under the carpet as if Madeleine didn't exist.
For some now to say that they feel sorry for the twins and what they are having to put up with when they go to school is just nine years too late. People should have thought of the twins from word go and have refrained from calling their parents murders and liars, accusing them of all sorts of things when nothing has been proven.
The McCann's would have had help with dealing with the twins and what they should know and how they should be told, they are coming along fine Kate said so they sound as though they are level headed and normal children.
All this 'living in Madeleine's shadow' is ludicrous, they know they have a missing sister and that she is being looked for, they are leading normal lives otherwise.
As for the twins raising money for 'No Stone Unturned' as anyone stopped to wonder if the school itself suggested it and not the McCann's?
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That is quite ridiculous, but the norm with some, because they left the children they must be lying about everything. All the other friends left their children too but no one says anything about them.
They appear to be maintaining a "hull down" position. Out of sight out of mind.
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I believe the McCann's are quite right in keeping the twins 'in the loop'. They are explaining everything to them and letting them know exactly what is happening so that they know the truth, then if anything is said to them they do not feel upset that they are hearing something that they didn't have a clue about, also if anything untoward is said they know that the person is wrong and will be able to react accordingly.
There is no way the twins can be kept from all the goings on, the McCann's can't stop them finding things out as they get older, neither, as they want the hunt to continue for Madeleine can the McCann's just sweep everything under the carpet as if Madeleine didn't exist.
For some now to say that they feel sorry for the twins and what they are having to put up with when they go to school is just nine years too late. People should have thought of the twins from word go and have refrained from calling their parents murders and liars, accusing them of all sorts of things when nothing has been proven.
The McCann's would have had help with dealing with the twins and what they should know and how they should be told, they are coming along fine Kate said so they sound as though they are level headed and normal children.
All this 'living in Madeleine's shadow' is ludicrous, they know they have a missing sister and that she is being looked for, they are leading normal lives otherwise.
As for the twins raising money for 'No Stone Unturned' as anyone stopped to wonder if the school itself suggested it and not the McCann's?
What you should say, is they are telling the children their version of events.
The truth of what actually happened is not known.
However, using your own children to fill the fund is in my view quote disgusting.
Whatever happened to taking responsibility for your own actions, and why can't they put their own money in the fund ???
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All the other friends left their children too but no one says anything about them.
Conspicuous by their absence!
Their children will also know and read about how their parents treated them. One day one of the children will talk and it may not be what the parents will be wanting to hear.
I believe there was a case to answer in so far as bringing their company' NHS 'into disrepute. BIG door closed and they are all protected.
Very creepy selfish,arrogant bunch in my opinion.
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The other thing to think about is the affect on their mental health and well being. Kate n Gerry are adults, very media savvy and have an agenda. They told the twins at an early age that a bad man took Maddie. They are probably telling the kids that people round the world believe them and nasty trolls are liars...but the twins will suffer, they are being exploited in a cruel,disgusting way much the same as they exploit the name of a then 3 year old child.
Kate wants to be very famous and very rich, her behaviour is making sure of that. She wants to bring her children on board to validate that she is the best mum ever.Big sister Maddie would have something to say about that! She wants people to believe that if Maddie is found alive: they will be reunited and Maddie will be very happy that her family paid people to look for her- mibees not so happy about being'abducted', and Maddie will tell the world it was not her parents fault at all... Could Hans Christian Andersen beat this one?
What on earth are you talking about?
Are you sure that you haven't mixed up Kate (mother of a missing child) with some football WAG?
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What on earth are you talking about?
Are you sure that you haven't mixed up Kate (mother of a missing child) with some football WAG?
Nah, she hasn't got the right physical attributes. Bet she's high maintenance, though.
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What you should say, is they are telling the children their version of events.
The truth of what actually happened is not known.
However, using your own children to fill the fund is in my view quote disgusting.
Whatever happened to taking responsibility for your own actions, and why can't they put their own money in the fund ???
I should imagine they tell the twins exactly what happened and what SY think happened too.
Using their own children to fill the fund? Don't be ridiculous, they are probably all doing a sponsored silence or something in their class for pennies for god's sake. Are you saying that children who need an op abroad or what ever can't have the school they attend to have a sponsored walk or whatever to raise money for it? It's all money with you isn't it, why is that? The fund is there to find Madeleine not for the McCann's themselves.
As to taking responsibility for their own actions what do you think they were doing when they were campaigning for a review? Which then got the case reopened.
How do you know they haven't used their own money? Money!! what is it with you Stephen?
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I believe the McCann's are quite right in keeping the twins 'in the loop'. They are explaining everything to them and letting them know exactly what is happening so that they know the truth, then if anything is said to them they do not feel upset that they are hearing something that they didn't have a clue about, also if anything untoward is said they know that the person is wrong and will be able to react accordingly.
There is no way the twins can be kept from all the goings on, the McCann's can't stop them finding things out as they get older, neither, as they want the hunt to continue for Madeleine can the McCann's just sweep everything under the carpet as if Madeleine didn't exist.
For some now to say that they feel sorry for the twins and what they are having to put up with when they go to school is just nine years too late. People should have thought of the twins from word go and have refrained from calling their parents murders and liars, accusing them of all sorts of things when nothing has been proven.
The McCann's would have had help with dealing with the twins and what they should know and how they should be told, they are coming along fine Kate said so they sound as though they are level headed and normal children.
All this 'living in Madeleine's shadow' is ludicrous, they know they have a missing sister and that she is being looked for, they are leading normal lives otherwise.
As for the twins raising money for 'No Stone Unturned' as anyone stopped to wonder if the school itself suggested it and not the McCann's?
There is no option, Lace.
Even if the twins' parents wanted to shield them, and I am sure they would like to, it would be an impossibility. They need therefore to be equipped to be able to deal with anything which will come their way.
The only way that can happen is if they are in full possession of all the facts past present and future.
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I should imagine they tell the twins exactly what happened and what SY think happened too.
Using their own children to fill the fund? Don't be ridiculous, they are probably all doing a sponsored silence or something in their class for pennies for god's sake. Are you saying that children who need an op abroad or what ever can't have the school they attend to have a sponsored walk or whatever to raise money for it? It's all money with you isn't it, why is that? The fund is there to find Madeleine not for the McCann's themselves.
As to taking responsibility for their own actions what do you think they were doing when they were campaigning for a review? Which then got the case reopened.
How do you know they haven't used their own money? Money!! what is it with you Stephen?
No Lace.
It is clearly the mccanns who are consumed with obtaining money.
So when have they used the money they've earned to pay for 'searching' ?
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I would have thought that some of the comments directed at their parents, should the twins have heard of it, almost certainly would upset the twins.
I certainly would not have been comfortable if this had been directed at my parents. And I came from a family whom I felt loved me and strove hard to get better for me than they had themselves.
And this is the nub of the problem. Who wins in a battle, IF that battle is the twins v the world, or even just some elements of the world? Let me think. 12 year old immature, inexperienced brains v fully grown, experienced and hostile brains?
Or even 12 year old, immature, inexperienced brains v other 12 year old, inexperienced but hostile brains.
I wouldn't let my kids go into either situation.
Which is why I would not be letting my kids run Madeleine cash-raising schemes in secondary school (they haven't done that yet, I know). Which is why I would insist with the media that they had a right to privacy (it's not their fault they got headlines, is it?). Which is why, in advance, I would be putting other safeguards in place with their school. (Not crossing fingers and hoping.)
As a person with a near-total lack of empathy (that's me), I can see it all coming. Some of it is unavoidable. Much of it is. I may not do empathy, but I do do foresight combined with action.
The twins deserve at least that. They should not be tabloid fodder.
Why don't you have any empathy? Have you been tested and found to be devoid of the ability to empathise generally, or only in this case?
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What on earth are you talking about?
Are you sure that you haven't mixed up Kate (mother of a missing child) with some football WAG?
Well exactly my point. Why court publicity and thrust your children into a cruel media cess pit?
This reminds me of Pish n Pecks and their brood... or Katie Price being famous for having fake boobs and victim of every(love/sex) crime you can think of- and other non entities who are famous for nothing much really. They hog the Sun and other low rated mediums because they are non stories. Real journalism is not to be found in such rags.
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All the other friends left their children too but no one says anything about them.
Conspicuous by their absence!
Their children will also know and read about how their parents treated them. One day one of the children will talk and it may not be what the parents will be wanting to hear.
I believe there was a case to answer in so far as bringing their company' NHS 'into disrepute. BIG door closed and they are all protected.
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Very creepy selfish,arrogant bunch in my opinion.
Conspicuous by their absence you say, and you know this how?
Are you waiting for one of the children to turn on it's parents, what a nasty mind you have.
All protected, CONSPIRACY is it? Funny the McCann's were made arguido's.
You think the friends are all selfish and arrogant all by reading their statements, you sound weird and arrogant to me.
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Wow two McCann knockers honest enough to admit they do't "do" empathy, what about the rest of you guys though?
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To be honest its hard to find any real journalism.
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Well, I'm going to do nothing, except to continue disbelieving a word the McCanns say. How about you?
Why do you feel the need to do that publicly, on the internet where your words will stand as a public testimonny for all time, out of interest?
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Wow two McCann knockers honest enough to admit they do't "do" empathy, what about the rest of you guys though?
Is empathy something to be proud of?
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No Lace.
It is clearly the mccanns who are consumed with obtaining money.
So when have they used the money they've earned to pay for 'searching' ?
If they were consumed with obtaining money they would have kept the sales from Kate's book. Just because they want to raise money to search for their child doesn't mean they are consumed with obtaining money.
Again how do you know they haven't used money they've earned to pay for searching, actually Kate earned the money from her book.
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Is empathy something to be proud of?
you clearly don't believe so.
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Does anyone know if these alert thingimyjiggs work for missing adults ? It appears no one has seen or heard from Gerry for months !!
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you clearly don't believe so.
I don't usually give it a thought. Just curious.
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I don't usually give it a thought. Just curious.
you care enough to remind the rest of us just how little you care about any of this on a fairly regular basis, which seems a bit odd. If you honesly didn't give a shit (which is the impression you seem keen to convey) then why bother commenting at all?
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Is empathy something to be proud of?
It seems to be some kind of badge of honour round here.
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Does anyone know if these alert thingimyjiggs work for missing adults ? It appears no one has seen or heard from Gerry for months !!
define "no one".
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you care enough to remind the rest of us just how little you care about any of this on a fairly regular basis, which seems a bit odd. If you honesly didn't give a shit (which is the impression you seem keen to convey) then why bother commenting at all?
Maybe because I like to give an alternative view.
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Maybe because I like to give an alternative view.
you don't give any view, apart from it's all very boring and you don't really care one way or the other, but thanks for sharing.
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you don't give any view, apart from it's all very boring and you don't really care one way or the other, but thanks for sharing.
Please feel free to put me on ignore if you don't like my posts.
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If they were consumed with obtaining money they would have kept the sales from Kate's book. Just because they want to raise money to search for their child doesn't mean they are consumed with obtaining money.
Again how do you know they haven't used money they've earned to pay for searching, actually Kate earned the money from her book.
They wouldn't have dared keeping the sales from the book.
As to the mccanns not putting in money they have earned from work in, well that would be in the accounts of the funds , wouldn't it.
&%+((£
P.S. why should other people pay for the incompetence of the mccanns ?
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Please feel free to put me on ignore if you don't like my posts.
Your posts are no problem to me, you don't pretend to be anything other than a cynical, couldn't really care less Mc.cann basher, not here for any higher purpose than to be vaguely unpleasant about the parents of a missing child.
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They wouldn't have dared keeping the sales from the book.
As to the mccanns not putting in money they have earned from work in, well that would be in the accounts of the funds , wouldn't it.
&%+((£
P.S. why should other people pay for the incompetence of the mccanns ?
They could hardly accuse Amaral of making money from Madeleine's fate while making money from it themselves.
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Your posts are no problem to me, you don't pretend to be anything other than a cynical, couldn't really care less Mc.cann basher, not here for any higher purpose than to be vaguely unpleasant about the parents of a missing child.
Parents who made the choices which resulted in Madeleine's disappearance.
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Your posts are no problem to me, you don't pretend to be anything other than a cynical, couldn't really care less Mc.cann basher, not here for any higher purpose than to be vaguely unpleasant about the parents of a missing child.
@)(++(* Is anybody here for a high purpose?
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Conspicuous by their absence you say, and you know this how?
Are you waiting for one of the children to turn on it's parents, what a nasty mind you have.
All protected, CONSPIRACY is it? Funny the McCann's were made arguido's.
You think the friends are all selfish and arrogant all by reading their statements, you sound weird and arrogant to me.
my reply in red
Conspicuous by their absence you say, and you know this how?
Because they are not in the news demanding to be treated as poor inniocents
Are you waiting for one of the children to turn on it's parents, what a nasty mind you have.
My earlier work has involved deaing with children who have been abused ( physical/mental/sexual) by parents, and were then fostered out/adopted. When parents wanted to get in touch or children wanted to meet their birth parents it was NEVER, EVER pleasant. This was not my nasty mind wishing it you understand- this was actual outcomes. And this is a real possibility that it will happen. This doesn't tie in with the wholesome happy family you buy into.
All protected, CONSPIRACY is it? Funny the McCann's were made arguido's.
Protected at work!
You think the friends are all selfish and arrogant all by reading their statements, you sound weird and arrogant to me.
Thank you for your opinion of me, based on my opinion of someone you worship. That makes you a better person I'm sure.
are we still doing Irony in here?
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@)(++(* Is anybody here for a high purpose?
there do seem to be some posters here who think their work is important in getting Justice 4 Maddie, if i'm not very much mistaken...
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there do seem to be some posters here who think their work is important in getting Justice 4 Maddie, if i'm not very much mistaken...
So what are you here for Alfred ?
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Some people just come to discuss the case and the different theories. Others come to protect the McCann reputation, not knowing if they are involved in her disappearance or not.
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Is empathy something to be proud of?
Some people seem to think so. They don't seem able to empathise with anyone who disagrees with them however.
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Some people seem to think so. They don't seem able to empathise with anyone who disagrees with them however.
I understand you can only take this empathy thing so far. 8(0(*
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so, empathy is not a quality to be valued I take it, from the way people are sneering at the concept. Yes, imagine a world without empathy - much more civilized I'm sure!
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so, empathy is not a quality to be valued I take it, from the way people are sneering at the concept. Yes, imagine a world without empathy - much more civilized I'm sure!
Good Morning, Alfred. What is Empathy exactly? I'm not sure if lack of it is frightfully civilised, but it is no doubt much less worrying.
Is one born with Empathy or does it just grow on some of us?
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Good Morning, Alfred. What is Empathy exactly? I'm not sure if lack of it is frightfully civilised, but it is no doubt much less worrying.
Is one born with Empathy or does it just grow on some of us?
I'm not sure whether it is innate or learnt. I do know that some of the most despicable crimes are committed by those who don't have it, but then some of the most successful in business and politics are evidently without it either but then maybe it's all part of the same thing. I'm sure humanity would be alot more efficient if we did not have the ability to empathise but perhaps the world would be a harsher place to live. I certainly wouldn't want to live in a world where the concept was generally sneered at.
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I'm not sure whether it is innate or learnt. I do know that some of the most despicable crimes are committed by those who don't have it, but then some of the most successful in business and politics are evidently without it either but then maybe it's all part of the same thing. I'm sure humanity would be alot more efficient if we did not have the ability to empathise but perhaps the world would be a harsher place to live. I certainly wouldn't want to live in a world where the concept was generally sneered at.
That is probably the problem. Sneering at those of us who do have it. Sneering at anyone who shows concern for others.
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That is probably the problem. Sneering at those of us who do have it. Sneering at anyone who shows concern for others.
But apparently we lack empathy for those who lack empathy! On the contrary, I feel very sorry for such people and for the relatives of such people.
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But apparently we lack empathy for those who lack empathy! On the contrary, I feel very sorry for such people and for the relatives of such people.
I've been saying this for a long time. I feel sorry for them as well. But quite a lot of people think I'm daft.
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my reply in red
Conspicuous by their absence you say, and you know this how?
Because they are not in the news demanding to be treated as poor inniocents
Are you waiting for one of the children to turn on it's parents, what a nasty mind you have.
My earlier work has involved deaing with children who have been abused ( physical/mental/sexual) by parents, and were then fostered out/adopted. When parents wanted to get in touch or children wanted to meet their birth parents it was NEVER, EVER pleasant. This was not my nasty mind wishing it you understand- this was actual outcomes. And this is a real possibility that it will happen. This doesn't tie in with the wholesome happy family you buy into.
All protected, CONSPIRACY is it? Funny the McCann's were made arguido's.
Protected at work!
You think the friends are all selfish and arrogant all by reading their statements, you sound weird and arrogant to me.
Thank you for your opinion of me, based on my opinion of someone you worship. That makes you a better person I'm sure.
are we still doing Irony in here?
The McCann's are not in the news demanding to be treated as poor innocents either, they admitted what they did was wrong and deeply regret what they did, why do you think Kate McCann was screaming and crying 'we've let her down'? Most of the time they are in the news to promote something or Kate is trying to raise money for charity.
What the hell has your work got to do with the McCann case? You said one of the children will say something, what I haven't a clue, unless you are trying to say that one of them will say 'you left us alone' which is not new news to them as they probably knew this from an early age. When parents explain to their children that they did leave them alone but that they were checking on them regularly, that they were asleep and that they hadn't wanted anything bad to have happened to them that they love them and wanted to keep them safe, that they are doing all they can to find their sister, that they have dedicated their lives to put right a wrong, I would think normal child would understand that.
My opinion of you was based on the opinion you have of the McCann's and their friends, who you have never met, do not know personally and have just got the opinion that they are weird arrogant and creepy from just reading statements by them on the internet.
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The McCann's are not in the news demanding to be treated as poor innocents either, they admitted what they did was wrong and deeply regret what they did, why do you think Kate McCann was screaming and crying 'we've let her down'? Most of the time they are in the news to promote something or Kate is trying to raise money for charity.
What the hell has your work got to do with the McCann case? You said one of the children will say something, what I haven't a clue, unless you are trying to say that one of them will say 'you left us alone' which is not new news to them as they probably knew this from an early age. When parents explain to their children that they did leave them alone but that they were checking on them regularly, that they were asleep and that they hadn't wanted anything bad to have happened to them that they love them and wanted to keep them safe, that they are doing all they can to find their sister, that they have dedicated their lives to put right a wrong, I would think normal child would understand that.
My opinion of you was based on the opinion you have of the McCann's and their friends, who you have never met, do not know personally and have just got the opinion that they are weird arrogant and creepy from just reading statements by them on the internet.
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who you have never met, do not know personally and have just got the opinion that they are weird arrogant and creepy
so have you met them personally then ....do you know them ...otherwise it is only your opinion of what you think they are like ...so what right have you to question what others think of them sweetie
they don't care about the children ....they would not of left them without a second thought for there safety if they did ...it was an open complex ..on an open road no perimeter fence .....they left them to the elements ..[even there valuables were locked in a safe].if they had cared enough for maddie an twins as they do for themselves ...maddie would be here today .
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who you have never met, do not know personally and have just got the opinion that they are weird arrogant and creepy
so have you met them personally then ....do you know them ...otherwise it is only your opinion of what you think they are like ...so what right have you to question what others think of them sweetie
they don't care about the children ....they would not of left them without a second thought for there safety if they did ...it was an open complex ..on an open road no perimeter fence .....they left them to the elements ..[even there valuables were locked in a safe].if they had cared enough for maddie an twins as they do for themselves ...maddie would be here today .
i don't know why my posts keeps going into the quoted post
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who you have never met, do not know personally and have just got the opinion that they are weird arrogant and creepy
so have you met them personally then ....do you know them ...otherwise it is only your opinion of what you think they are like ...so what right have you to question what others think of them sweetie
they don't care about the children ....they would not of left them without a second thought for there safety if they did ...it was an open complex ..on an open road no perimeter fence .....they left them to the elements ..[even there valuables were locked in a safe].if they had cared enough for maddie an twins as they do for themselves ...maddie would be here today .
i don't know why my posts keeps going into the quoted post
I do know first hand that Gerry is extremely well liked and respected at Leicester Medical School
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I do know first hand that Gerry is extremely well liked and respected at Leicester Medical School
who by ...you @)(++(*
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who you have never met, do not know personally and have just got the opinion that they are weird arrogant and creepy
so have you met them personally then ....do you know them ...otherwise it is only your opinion of what you think they are like ...so what right have you to question what others think of them sweetie
they don't care about the children ....they would not of left them without a second thought for there safety if they did ...it was an open complex ..on an open road no perimeter fence .....they left them to the elements ..[even there valuables were locked in a safe].if they had cared enough for maddie an twins as they do for themselves ...maddie would be here today .
i don't know why my posts keeps going into the quoted post
Miss Token Identity was talking about the friends of the McCann's not the McCann's.
Why are you stating the obvious? We all know they left the children, we all know if they hadn't Madeleine would probably be her now, [I say probably as if the abductor was determined to abduct Madeleine then he could have taken her when the McCann's were asleep]
You say they didn't care about the children, how can you say that? They made a bad decision, one all their friends made too, they checked on them, they didn't want anything to happen to them, but Madeleine was taken, how on earth can anyone foresee that happening? It doesn't mean they didn't care about the children at all.
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who by ...you @)(++(*
Everything I have read about the McCann's people say they are friendly and easy to get on with. I haven't found anything to say that they weren't well liked by neighbours or anyone else they came across. Have you? [anti's on the internet don't count]
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Everything I have read about the McCann's people say they are friendly and easy to get on with. I haven't found anything to say that they weren't well liked by neighbours or anyone else they came across. Have you? [anti's on the internet don't count]
So pros on the internet don't count either.
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So [ censored word ] on the internet don't count either.
My view is based on poeple who know Gerry....those poeple find your views ridiculous
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My view is based on poeple who know Gerry....those poeple find your views ridiculous
Hearsay evidence then and not allowed.
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Hearsay evidence then and not allowed.
it really annoys you doesn't it....it doesn't bother me in the slightest what you think...it just reinforces how wrong you are about the whole situation
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it really annoys you doesn't it....
No.....just using the Davel rules of evidence.
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So [ censored word ] on the internet don't count either.
Sorry is the word 'a' censored? Didn't know that, I apologise.
Obviously not people who are against the McCann's and believe them to be guilty as they haven't met them, I mean anyone who has met them, how they describe them.
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No.....just using the Davel rules of evidence.
I don't make the rules unfortunately....and it isn't hearsay
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I don't make the rules unfortunately....and it isn't hearsay
If you know people who know the McCs and your opinion is based on their opinion, it is hearsay.
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An example -
Doug Skehan, clinical director of cardiology at Glenfield hospital, described Mr McCann as "extremely popular, someone we have a deep affection for".
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If you know people who know the McCs and your opinion is based on their opinion, it is hearsay.
I haven't quoted my opinion...I have quoted their opinion given ...so it is NOT hearsay...think about it
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An example -
Doug Skehan, clinical director of cardiology at Glenfield hospital, described Mr McCann as "extremely popular, someone we have a deep affection for".
That is exactly the impression I was given directly from students who knew Gerry
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An example -
Doug Skehan, clinical director of cardiology at Glenfield hospital, described Mr McCann as "extremely popular, someone we have a deep affection for".
and what did a fellow student when at University say about him ?
You can look it up.
Personally , I find him an extremely arrogant man.
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and what did a fellow student when at University say about him ?
You can look it up.
Personally , I find him an extremely arrogant man.
One fellow student at University!!! can't you do better than that? Gerry got better grades than him did he.
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One fellow student at University!!! can't you do better than that? Gerry got better grades than him did he.
Well you quoted one person, giving their view as well, i.s. anecdote.
No idea what grades he got.
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You say they didn't care about the children, how can you say that?
how can i say they didn't care about the children ...simple i just type it in ..
but on the other hand ...you don't know they checked on them ....you don't know how often..you only know there account of what they said happened ...
also what version do you believe ...there was about 20 inconsistency's [and that's just the timeline]...they changed there mind to suit....did the high tea at 5 30 exist ...k mcc seemed to be doing three things at once at 5 30 that day ...you cant believe anything they say ...
lets face it its them you should be questioning ...not me they are the ones who did wrong ...its not my intelligence they insult ...
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Well you quoted one person, giving their view as well, i.s. anecdote.
No idea what grades he got.
Notice the 'we' in the part I posted?
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An example -
Doug Skehan, clinical director of cardiology at Glenfield hospital, described Mr McCann as "extremely popular, someone we have a deep affection for".
how petty .....its worse than my dad is bigger than yours....who cares anyway who likes them ....you never get to read ...people that don't ...and there is plenty who do not ...or believe maddie was abducted..... fgs
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You say they didn't care about the children, how can you say that?
how can i say they didn't care about the children ...simple i just type it in ..
but on the other hand ...you don't know they checked on them ....you don't know how often..you only know there account of what they said happened ...
also what version do you believe ...there was about 20 inconsistency's [and that's just the timeline]...they changed there mind to suit....did the high tea at 5 30 exist ...k mcc seemed to be doing three things at once at 5 30 that day ...you cant believe anything they say ...
lets face it its them you should be questioning ...not me they are the ones who did wrong ...its not my intelligence they insult ...
Yes you did just type it in, it's easy isn't it to just type something that you don't know is true.
The waiter said he noticed people getting up from the table to check.
There are always inconsistencies, the police would be suspicious if there weren't, so if they are guilty why didn't they get their statements all reading the same?
The did do wrong and know they did, no reason to paint them as uncaring, they didn't want anything to happen to their children did they?
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Notice the 'we' in the part I posted?
You quoted the comment of one person.
How do 'we' know it's true ? 8)--))
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how petty .....its worse than my dad is bigger than yours....who cares anyway who likes them ....you never get to read ...people that don't ...and there is plenty who do not ...or believe maddie was abducted..... fgs
The internet is swamped with nasty comments about the McCann's, to read them you would swear they were devils in disguise, but when you actually read what the people who know them have to say, they resemble different people, that is all I'm saying. Nothing to do with what happened to Madeleine, except that by giving a picture of people you don't know as being these uncaring evil characters, you are more likely to get those who read what you have to say believe any old tosh with regards to the Madeleine case and the parents involvement.
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Can we try to stay On Topic, Please.
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and what did a fellow student when at University say about him ?
You can look it up.
Personally , I find him an extremely arrogant man.
I think it's fair to describe him as a 'man's man' as Jane Tanner put it. Kate acknowledged he could be abrupt, and doesn't make romantic gestures.
The group appeared boisterous but good natured with Gerry being the central figure. His gregarious character making him appear to be the central figure in the group and almost holding court.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JEREMY_BRIGET.htm
Let me tell you something about Gerry. His honesty
and openness make him very direct, often to the
point of bluntness, and he’s not a touchy-feely guy.
Like many men, he assumes I take his feelings as
read and doesn’t see any need to express them with
soft-soaping, flowers or cards.
Kate McCann's book.
I mean Gerry, the sort of person Gerry is, I could never see us being best buddies because he’s very, we’re very different. I think he’s very err he’s quite forthright and so I don’t think we’d ever be best friends but there’s no problem there or anything like that you know, I feel bad saying that because it makes it sound like there is a problem but there’s not but you know it’s not, whereas Kate I was really, I was getting to know Kate quite well but yeah I think Gerry is sort of like more of a man’s man maybe.”
Jane Tanner's rogatory interview.
Initially I thought that Gerry McCann was a bit harsh, but as we got to know each other he revealed himself to be very nice and fun [-loving].
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/KA-LEMc.htm
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I think it's fair to describe him as a 'man's man' as Jane Tanner put it. Kate acknowledged he could be abrupt, and doesn't make romantic gestures.
The group appeared boisterous but good natured with Gerry being the central figure. His gregarious character making him appear to be the central figure in the group and almost holding court.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JEREMY_BRIGET.htm
Let me tell you something about Gerry. His honesty
and openness make him very direct, often to the
point of bluntness, and he’s not a touchy-feely guy.
Like many men, he assumes I take his feelings as
read and doesn’t see any need to express them with
soft-soaping, flowers or cards.
Kate McCann's book.
I mean Gerry, the sort of person Gerry is, I could never see us being best buddies because he’s very, we’re very different. I think he’s very err he’s quite forthright and so I don’t think we’d ever be best friends but there’s no problem there or anything like that you know, I feel bad saying that because it makes it sound like there is a problem but there’s not but you know it’s not, whereas Kate I was really, I was getting to know Kate quite well but yeah I think Gerry is sort of like more of a man’s man maybe.”
Jane Tanner's rogatory interview.
Initially I thought that Gerry McCann was a bit harsh, but as we got to know each other he revealed himself to be very nice and fun [-loving].
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/KA-LEMc.htm
So he is not an Arnie type of man. 8)-)))
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I think it's fair to describe him as a 'man's man' as Jane Tanner put it. Kate acknowledged he could be abrupt, and doesn't make romantic gestures.
The group appeared boisterous but good natured with Gerry being the central figure. His gregarious character making him appear to be the central figure in the group and almost holding court.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JEREMY_BRIGET.htm
Let me tell you something about Gerry. His honesty
and openness make him very direct, often to the
point of bluntness, and he’s not a touchy-feely guy.
Like many men, he assumes I take his feelings as
read and doesn’t see any need to express them with
soft-soaping, flowers or cards.
Kate McCann's book.
I mean Gerry, the sort of person Gerry is, I could never see us being best buddies because he’s very, we’re very different. I think he’s very err he’s quite forthright and so I don’t think we’d ever be best friends but there’s no problem there or anything like that you know, I feel bad saying that because it makes it sound like there is a problem but there’s not but you know it’s not, whereas Kate I was really, I was getting to know Kate quite well but yeah I think Gerry is sort of like more of a man’s man maybe.”
Jane Tanner's rogatory interview.
Initially I thought that Gerry McCann was a bit harsh, but as we got to know each other he revealed himself to be very nice and fun [-loving].
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/KA-LEMc.htm
So another direct quote showing Gerry to be well liked and respected
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So mccann is a 'A' personality theory type, it would appear.
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If there was anything in the McCanns lives before PdL which put them in a bad light - newspaper journalists would have winkled it out years ago. They would have paid a fortune for a juicy story to spread across their front page. The best they could do IMO is that when Kate was a student at Uni - she behaved like - guess what? - a student! - Wow!
However, in 9 years no-one has come forward to say anything even remotely critical of the McCanns. All the people who actually know them - be it neighbours, friends, work colleagues etc etc have nothing but good things to say about them.
The photographs/videos in particular show what a great life Madeleine had - some would say 'privileged' compared to many other children. Of course this isn't what some sceptics want to believe - and so claim all piccies are photoshopped. Such is the level of their desperation to believe the McCanns are nasty evil parents instead of what is quite obvious to any reasonably intelligent person - i.e. that they were loving parents living a happy normal life with their adored children - before Pdl.
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So mccann is a 'A' personality theory type, it would appear.
and your point is?
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If there was anything in the McCanns lives before PdL which put them in a bad light - newspaper journalists would have winkled it out years ago. They would have paid a fortune for a juicy story to spread across their front page. The best they could do IMO is that when Kate was a student at Uni - she behaved like - guess what? - a student! - Wow!
However, in 9 years no-one has come forward to say anything even remotely critical of the McCanns. All the people who actually know them - be it neighbours, friends, work colleagues etc etc have nothing but good things to say about them.
The photographs/videos in particular show what a great life Madeleine had - some would say 'privileged' compared to many other children. Of course this isn't what some sceptics want to believe - and so claim all piccies are photoshopped. Such is the level of their desperation to believe the McCanns are nasty evil parents instead of what is quite obvious to any reasonably intelligent person - i.e. that they were loving parents living a happy normal life with their adored children - before Pdl.
Wrong again Benice.
However, you can keep trying.
Adoring , loving parents, do not put their children in needless jeopardy, putting socializing above the welfare of those said children.
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and your point is?
Look it up jp.
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Wrong again Benice.
However, you can keep trying.
Adoring , loving parents, do not put their children in needless jeopardy, putting socializing above the welfare of those said children.
You've completely missed the point.
If I'm wrong - then point out the parts of my post that I've got wrong about their lives before PDL.
It doesn't matter how much you want to pretend it doesn't happen - thousands upon thousands of other parents have left their children asleep in their apartments while they went to dinner - any number of whom could have been abducted in the absence of those parents. Are you saying that is proof that none of them were loving parents who adored their children? Don't be silly.
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So mccann is a 'A' personality theory type, it would appear.
Most successful people are
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You've completely missed the point.
If I'm wrong - then point out the parts of my post that I've got wrong about their lives before PDL.
It doesn't matter how much you want to pretend it doesn't happen - thousands upon thousands of other parents have left their children asleep in their apartments while they went to dinner - any number of whom could have been abducted in the absence of those parents. Are you saying that is proof that none of them were loving parents who adored their children? Don't be silly.
You have made a statement, now provide the cites, and display how many of these people left their children in unlocked accomodation.
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Asking for impossible Cites is a bit pointless.
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Asking for impossible Cites is a bit pointless.
Well, perhaps they shouldn't make the claims as facts, and instead just state it is their opinion.
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Well, perhaps they shouldn't make the claims as facts, and instead just state it is their opinion.
I think we know that what Benice said is true. Certainly in large numbers.
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I think we know that what Benice said is true. Certainly in large numbers.
No we don't.
...and what about the numbers of people who have never done or would do what the mccanns did ?
I am sick to the teeth of those giving excuses for the inexcusable.
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Well, perhaps they shouldn't make the claims as facts, and instead just state it is their opinion.
Maybe you should take your own advice and do the same.
IMO you have no intentions of entering into any discussion. Your answer to anything said on here that you don't like but can't counter or disprove - is to immediately slag off and sneer at the McCanns and anyone else who doesn't hold your views on them - and that is the sum total of your contribution to a debate imo.
Most adults left that immature behaviour in the playground where it belongs.
Why would anyone join a discussion forum and then do everything in their power to avoid any civilised discussion/debate.
That makes no sense to me.
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Maybe you should take your own advice and do the same.
IMO you have no intentions of entering into any discussion. Your answer to anything said on here that you don't like but can't counter or disprove - is to immediately slag off and sneer at the McCanns and anyone else who doesn't hold your views on them - and that is the sum total of your contribution to a debate imo.
Most adults left that immature behaviour in the playground where it belongs.
Why would anyone join a discussion forum and then do everything in their power to avoid any civilised discussion/debate.
That makes no sense to me.
IMO you are merely here to defend the mccanns.
... and no more than that.
Likewise , you 'slag off' those who question the mccanns actions, which clearly are reprehensible.
Don't bother saying that is a personal attack, when you in your previous post attacked me.
Very blatant, and extremely childish of you. IMO of course.
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Look it up jp.
I know the personality type classification. I was merely wondering why you think its relevant to say the Dr McCann is a type A personality and what point you were trying to make?
Its not exactly rocket science - and because the medical profession is so competitive at all levels and particularly at consultant level, there are likely to a higher than average number of medics displaying "type A" personality traits.
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IMO you are merely here to defend the mccanns.
... and no more than that.
Likewise , you 'slag off' those who question the mccanns actions, which clearly are reprehensible.
Don't bother saying that is a personal attack, when you in your previous post attacked me.
Very blatant, and extremely childish of you. IMO of course.
and on the evidence it would seem that you are only here to (a) slag off the McCanns and (b) sneer at and slag at other members who do not share your view of the world in general and this case in particular. Which is fair enough. Just seems to be an odd and rather negative way to get your jollies.
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and on the evidence it would seem that you are only here to (a) slag off the McCanns and (b) sneer at and slag at other members who do not share your view of the world in general and this case in particular. Which is fair enough. Just seems to be an odd and rather negative way to get your jollies.
On the evidence of those who post here, those points I would say apply to most of those who support the mccanns on here.
i.e. attacking those who don't believe/support abduction.
As to getting jollies, not in the slightest.
If mccann supporters are keen to say that many other people did what the mccanns did, they should back it up with facts, not hyperbole.
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On the evidence of those who post here, those points I would say apply to most of those who support the mccanns on here.
i.e. attacking those who don't believe/support abduction.
As to getting jollies, not in the slightest.
If mccann supporters are keen to say that many other people did what the mccanns did, they should back it up with facts, not hyperbole.
Are you saying that child-listening facilities at various hotels / resorts have never existed?
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Are you saying that child-listening facilities at various hotels / resorts have never existed?
Quite a difference between 2007 and never.
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Are you saying that child-listening facilities at various hotels / resorts have never existed?
No.
However, I did ask for cites.
Not the drivel I 've heard repeatedly of 'many other people have done it'.
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Quite a difference between 2007 and never.
Child-listening still exists.
Here's one based on a 2-second Google search, presumably at a ski resort in which older family members would be out skiing for several hours at a stretch.
http://www.espritski.com/childcare/babylistening/
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Child-listening still exists.
Here's one based on a 2-second Google search, presumably at a ski resort in which older family members would be out skiing for several hours at a stretch.
http://www.espritski.com/childcare/babylistening/
And a few more.
https://smithandfamily.co.uk/hotels-with-baby-listening?sgid=S_56c7412b8c20f8.83210081
http://www.britainsfinest.co.uk/hotels/search_results.cfm/searchclasscode/305
So its not uncommon.
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Child-listening still exists.
Here's one based on a 2-second Google search, presumably at a ski resort in which older family members would be out skiing for several hours at a stretch.
http://www.espritski.com/childcare/babylistening/
As long as they can ski between 1930 and 2300 it would seem. That's easy for the blind but it might pose problems for the sighted ?>)()<
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As long as they can ski between 1930 and 2300 it would seem. That's easy for the blind but it might pose problems for the sighted ?>)()<
Fair enough on that example, as infants could be taken into crèches during the day.
However, there was still the evening listening service.
FREE evening Baby-Listening/ Child Patrol Service every night in all our Chalet Hotels, Xtra Chalets and larger chalets, and in all properties on our staff’s one night off per week
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On the evidence of those who post here, those points I would say apply to most of those who support the mccanns on here.
i.e. attacking those who don't believe/support abduction.
As to getting jollies, not in the slightest.
If mccann supporters are keen to say that many other people did what the mccanns did, they should back it up with facts, not hyperbole.
it has been backed up and examples given...baby listening services are still being promoted and there has never been a reported serious incident in a child that has been left until Maddie..
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it has been backed up and examples given...baby listening services are still being promoted and there has never been a reported serious incident in a child that has been left until Maddie..
Left without a listening service as I recall.
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Left without a listening service as I recall.
I think you recall correctly.
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Left without a listening service as I recall.
Which is why they chose their own child-listeing arrangements, as I recall.
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Left without a listening service as I recall.
incorrect
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Interesting, one agrees one doesn't another sits on the fence @)(++(*
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Interesting, one agrees one doesn't another sits on the fence @)(++(*
thats because we all have independent minds and not part of some conspiracy as some idiots believe