Alleged Miscarriages of Justice => Jeremy Bamber and the callous murder of his father, mother, sister and twin nephews. Case effectively CLOSED by CCRC on basis of NO APPEAL REFERRAL. => Topic started by: Holly Goodhead on March 30, 2016, 08:33:28 PM
Title: Could Jeremy Bamber have used a windsurfer or a boat the night of the murders?
Post by: Holly Goodhead on March 30, 2016, 08:33:28 PM
There was nothing to stop JB using a windsurfer to travel to and from WHF. I've found a youtube vid of a windsurfer on the River Blackwater. It would take next to no time for JB to stroll down to the seawall where he could have hidden his windsurfer and it would take probably 5 mins to hook round to WHF - see map above. Pages Lane is between Lauriston Farm and Rolls Farm.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MY_IVBsMB9k
He might have attached a lamping light to the boom head which he could then remove for the short walk from the river up the field and onto Pages Lane.
There was nothing to stop JB using a windsurfer to travel to and from WHF. I've found a youtube vid of a windsurfer on the River Blackwater. It would take next to no time for JB to stroll down to the seawall where he could have hidden his windsurfer and it would take probably 5 mins to hook round to WHF - see map above. Pages Lane is between Lauriston Farm and Rolls Farm.
Too bloody right! I don't have a sweet tooth so my Pete buys me various Marmite gifts like jars of marmite with champagne in that say "I Love You". How sweet savoury is is that? 8)-)))
I think those 70's ads caused women of a certain age to have a lot of relationship problems with men when they were unable to reconcile the men in their lives with those portrayed in the ads risking life and limb to deliver a box of chocolates. If you REALLY loved me....
Title: Re: Could Jeremy Bamber have used a windsurfer or a boat the night of the murders?
Post by: Holly Goodhead on April 01, 2016, 03:55:06 PM
There was nothing to stop JB using a windsurfer to travel to and from WHF. I've found a youtube vid of a windsurfer on the River Blackwater. It would take next to no time for JB to stroll down to the seawall where he could have hidden his windsurfer and it would take probably 5 mins to hook round to WHF - see map above. Pages Lane is between Lauriston Farm and Rolls Farm.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MY_IVBsMB9k
He might have attached a lamping light to the boom head which he could then remove for the short walk from the river up the field and onto Pages Lane.
Adam and David I believe you are young guys, maybe late teens early twenties, so maybe you have dabbled in watersports? Can you see any flaws with my theory about JB potentially using a windsurfer to travel to and from WHF? To my mind it makes perfect sense and far more logical than any of the other suggested modes of transport: bike, car or walk. Why do we have to remain rooted with theories of the past?
I can windsurf ok, although I'm no Sarah-Quita, but I think it would be a breeze.
Title: Re: Could Jeremy Bamber have used a windsurfer or a boat the night of the murders?
Post by: Myster on April 01, 2016, 04:16:18 PM
I think those 70's ads caused women of a certain age to have a lot of relationship problems with men when they were unable to reconcile the men in their lives with those portrayed in the ads risking life and limb to deliver a box of chocolates. If you REALLY loved me....
... I'd send you a bottle of Marmite that's been nestling in my cupboard untouched for the past ten years... FREE to a good home. Don't test it out on "your Pete" though, he might not survi....... mmm, on second thoughts you could try a soupçon in his curry.
Title: Re: Could Jeremy Bamber have used a windsurfer or a boat the night of the murders?
Post by: Myster on April 01, 2016, 04:21:29 PM
Adam and David I believe you are young guys, maybe late teens early twenties, so maybe you have dabbled in watersports? Can you see any flaws with my theory about JB potentially using a windsurfer to travel to and from WHF? To my mind it makes perfect sense and far more logical than any of the other suggested modes of transport: bike, car or walk. Why do we have to remain rooted with theories of the past?
I can windsurf ok, although I'm no Sarah-Quita, but I think it would be a breeze.
Adam?... a young man!!!? He must be at least 900 years old! How come Julie never heard about this outlandish windsurfing theory? &%+((£
Title: Re: Could Jeremy Bamber have used a windsurfer or a boat the night of the murders?
Post by: APRIL on April 01, 2016, 04:29:30 PM
There was nothing to stop JB using a windsurfer to travel to and from WHF. I've found a youtube vid of a windsurfer on the River Blackwater. It would take next to no time for JB to stroll down to the seawall where he could have hidden his windsurfer and it would take probably 5 mins to hook round to WHF - see map above. Pages Lane is between Lauriston Farm and Rolls Farm.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MY_IVBsMB9k
He might have attached a lamping light to the boom head which he could then remove for the short walk from the river up the field and onto Pages Lane.
You should have kept that post for today Holly. Maybe he took a boat?
But it's not foolish!
When I visited the seawall I did notice some small boats moored up. But windsurfing gives credence to the wetsuit theory put forward by RWB and Bob Woffinden!
Title: Re: Could Jeremy Bamber have used a windsurfer or a boat the night of the murders?
Post by: Myster on April 01, 2016, 09:43:54 PM
If the top and bottom half of his wetsuit were found by police in his bedroom at WHF (CAL, page 325), which wetsuit would be the one he wore on the return journey to Head Street? Are there going to be as many as the alleged number of moderators?
Title: Re: Could Jeremy Bamber have used a windsurfer or a boat the night of the murders?
Post by: Holly Goodhead on April 01, 2016, 10:18:24 PM
If the top and bottom half of his wetsuit were found by police in his bedroom at WHF (CAL, page 325), which wetsuit would be the one he wore on the return journey to Head Street? Are there going to be as many as the alleged number of moderators?
This was the wetsuit he forgot when he went windsurfing to Pevensey the second w.e after the WHF tragedy with JM and the Bishops?
Check out these girls doing beach starts and imagine how easy it would be on the river. For all we know JB might have been quite accomplished but even if a novice windsurfing from GH to WHF and back would be a breeze!
I think to stick rigidly to theories when there's no concrete evidence is closing our minds to other possibilities!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=r9IMRe6RhoA
Title: Re: Could Jeremy Bamber have used a windsurfer or a boat the night of the murders?
Post by: Holly Goodhead on April 02, 2016, 05:13:56 PM
JB asked PE about purchasing an automatic shotgun to go pigeon shooting with the landlord of The Chequers. This was confirmed by EP. I'm wondering if the landlord 'assisted' JB by storing a windsurfer and allowed JB to enter and exit the river via the back of the pub? Or did the landlord act as an accomplice by following JB on a windsurfer?
I'm now convinced IF JB is the perp he travelled to and from WHF via the river using a windsurfer.
Title: Re: Could Jeremy Bamber have used a windsurfer or a boat the night of the murders?
Post by: Myster on April 02, 2016, 05:37:37 PM
JB asked PE about purchasing an automatic shotgun to go pigeon shooting with the landlord of The Chequers. This was confirmed by EP. I'm wondering if the landlord 'assisted' JB by storing a windsurfer and allowed JB to enter and exit the river via the back of the pub? Or did the landlord act as an accomplice by following JB on a windsurfer?
I'm now convinced IF JB is the perp he travelled to and from WHF via the river using a windsurfer.
Yes, he did... and took two lots of fish, chips and mushy peas with him just in case they became peckish on the journey!
Holly... You make me @)(++(* April 1st has been and gone! You cannot be serious?... as Boris Becker used to say. &%+((£
Title: Re: Could Jeremy Bamber have used a windsurfer or a boat the night of the murders?
Post by: Holly Goodhead on April 02, 2016, 05:47:35 PM
JB asked PE about purchasing an automatic shotgun to go pigeon shooting with the landlord of The Chequers. This was confirmed by EP. I'm wondering if the landlord 'assisted' JB by storing a windsurfer and allowed JB to enter and exit the river via the back of the pub? Or did the landlord act as an accomplice by following JB on a windsurfer?
I'm now convinced IF JB is the perp he travelled to and from WHF via the river using a windsurfer.
I'm not saying there isn't an exit from the Chequers courtyard into the fields beyond but I've had lunch outside several times during the summer and I don't recall seeing one. Of course, it could now be covered by foliage which wasn't there in 1985. On the other hand, it might not be a very good idea to have an easily accessible, but hidden, entrance. How might Jeremy have explained his late night wind surfing jaunt to the landlord?
Title: Re: Could Jeremy Bamber have used a windsurfer or a boat the night of the murders?
Post by: Holly Goodhead on April 02, 2016, 06:15:02 PM
I'm not saying there isn't an exit from the Chequers courtyard into the fields beyond but I've had lunch outside several times during the summer and I don't recall seeing one. Of course, it could now be covered by foliage which wasn't there in 1985. On the other hand, it might not be a very good idea to have an easily accessible, but hidden, entrance. How might Jeremy have explained his late night wind surfing jaunt to the landlord?
Look like various access routes to the sea wall including via the home of the bearded man in the sky.
The landlord may or may not have been involved. Perhaps he innocently stored JB's windsurfer for general use on the river.
I don't see a direct route from the back of the pub. He'd have had to make his way through tombstones at some point and access from the churchyard to the field is maybe not the easiest to negotiate at night. Whilst I worry about the landlord's potential involvement, why don't we suppose that he may have had a small speedboat from which Jeremy hitched a ride on water skis.
Title: Re: Could Jeremy Bamber have used a windsurfer or a boat the night of the murders?
Post by: Holly Goodhead on April 02, 2016, 06:51:02 PM
I don't see a direct route from the back of the pub. He'd have had to make his way through tombstones at some point and access from the churchyard to the field is maybe not the easiest to negotiate at night. Whilst I worry about the landlord's potential involvement, why don't we suppose that he may have had a small speedboat from which Jeremy hitched a ride on water skis.
Men in wetsuits can fight a few brambles with a handheld light. The route is NE to E out of The Chequers down to the sea wall. I'm not sure what the Blackwater river policy is on motorised boats/watersports but in any event the noise could potentially alert others. A windsurfer is very quiet other than a bit of noise from the sail.
Title: Re: Could Jeremy Bamber have used a windsurfer or a boat the night of the murders?
Post by: APRIL on April 02, 2016, 07:04:58 PM
Men in wetsuits can fight a few brambles with a handheld light. The route is NE to E out of The Chequers down to the sea wall. I'm not sure what the Blackwater river policy is on motorised boats/watersports but in any event the noise could potentially alert others. A windsurfer is very quiet other than a bit of noise from the sail.
So is this how you think Jeremy got himself to WHF? I have to say it has more elegance and sophistication about it than bumping over ruts on a bike but maybe I'm being disturbed by visions of the choccie box man -although I HATE Milk Tray.
Title: Re: Could Jeremy Bamber have used a windsurfer or a boat the night of the murders?
Post by: Myster on April 02, 2016, 07:46:17 PM
Men in wetsuits can fight a few brambles with a handheld light. The route is NE to E out of The Chequers down to the sea wall. I'm not sure what the Blackwater river policy is on motorised boats/watersports but in any event the noise could potentially alert others. A windsurfer is very quiet other than a bit of noise from the sail.
You're overegging the pudding, as usual. If JB did go by the BLUE sea wall route, he would have chosen to keep himself dry by cycling or walking, not fiddle-faddle about with a surfboard. For starters, he'd have to carry a large, awkward object from the pub hiding place to the sea wall, then back again on the return journey. And what would happen if the wind was blowing in the wrong direction, or he became becalmed... he's stymied!
Nope, sorry... I'm sticking with the shortest RED route, travelling by bike via the farm track at the back of WHF.... as he confided to his girlfriend.
Title: Re: Could Jeremy Bamber have used a windsurfer or a boat the night of the murders?
Post by: APRIL on April 02, 2016, 08:08:36 PM
You're overegging the pudding, as usual. If JB did go by the BLUE sea wall route, he would have chosen to keep himself dry by cycling or walking, not fiddle-faddle about with a surfboard. For starters, he'd have to carry a large, awkward object from the pub hiding place to the sea wall, then back again on the return journey. And what would happen if the wind was blowing in the wrong direction, or he became becalmed... he's stymied!
Nope, sorry... I'm sticking with the shortest RED route, travelling by bike via the farm track at the back of WHF.... as he confided to his girlfriend.
From your vid, it's no short distance -plus a difficult manoeuvre- from the church boundary to the water unencumbered. He'd certainly have felt the shape and weight of a surf board by the time he got there. I can't help feeling he'd have gone for the easiest option.
Title: Re: Could Jeremy Bamber have used a windsurfer or a boat the night of the murders?
Post by: Myster on April 02, 2016, 08:24:43 PM
From your vid, it's no short distance -plus a difficult manoeuvre- from the church boundary to the water unencumbered. He'd certainly have felt the shape and weight of a surf board by the time he got there. I can't help feeling he'd have gone for the easiest option.
And not just any plain old surfboard, but one with a large, cumbersome sail, handle and mast as well. Can't get that jolly tune out of my head, April. Wonder what it's called? &%+((£
Title: Re: Could Jeremy Bamber have used a windsurfer or a boat the night of the murders?
Post by: Holly Goodhead on April 02, 2016, 08:35:55 PM
You're overegging the pudding, as usual.If JB did go by the BLUE sea wall route, he would have chosen to keep himself dry by cycling or walking, not fiddle-faddle about with a surfboard. For starters, he'd have to carry a large, awkward object from the pub hiding place to the sea wall, then back again on the return journey. And what would happen if the wind was blowing in the wrong direction, or he became becalmed... he's stymied!
Nope, sorry... I'm sticking with the shortest RED route, travelling by bike via the farm track at the back of WHF.... as he confided to his girlfriend.
8(8-))
It is said the perp would sustain blood staining to his/her clothing. If JB was wearing a wetsuit all he needed to do was shower down at WHF then out the window jog down to the river and hop back on his board. If the windsurfer was stored at or around The Chequers, with or without the landlord's knowledge, it would simply be a case of changing out of his day clothes, slipping into/out of his wetsuit and away he goes. If he was taking windsurfing w.e's at Pevensey chances are he was half-decent. A cruise along the river and he wouldn't get anything more than a big toe wet. The wind direction is irrelevant the sail is adjusted. So long as you can feel a breeze on your face it's possible to move!
And not just any plain old surfboard, but one with a large, cumbersome sail, handle and mast as well. Can't get that jolly tune out of my head, April. Wonder what it's called? &%+((£
You hum it, I'll sing it %£&)**#
Title: Re: Could Jeremy Bamber have used a windsurfer or a boat the night of the murders?
Post by: Holly Goodhead on April 02, 2016, 08:39:53 PM
And not just any plain old surfboard, but one with a large, cumbersome sail, handle and mast as well. Can't get that jolly tune out of my head, April. Wonder what it's called? &%+((£
The whole kit is light and easy to carry. I'm not saying you would want to climb a mountain with it but a jaunt on the flat for a fit farmer no probs!
Title: Re: Could Jeremy Bamber have used a windsurfer or a boat the night of the murders?
Post by: Holly Goodhead on April 02, 2016, 08:58:07 PM
I'm not saying my windsuring theory is correct but as far as I can see it's as plausible as other theories put forward?
Title: Re: Could Jeremy Bamber have used a windsurfer or a boat the night of the murders?
Post by: Myster on April 02, 2016, 08:59:18 PM
That was a 2015 teenager's mini-surfboard he was packing up and carrying. In 1985 when windsurfing was in its infancy, boards were larger and made of heavier materials than they are today.
Title: Re: Could Jeremy Bamber have used a windsurfer or a boat the night of the murders?
Post by: John on April 03, 2016, 06:44:10 PM
Please note that I have given these posts their own thread as the theory put forward by Holly is both interesting and plausible.
For what its worth I don't think he used any form of water transport that night, for a start it was too weather dependent and risky. It was much easier just to cycle to the farm in the darkness along the main road and the hard farm tracks avoiding the headlights of any passing traffic as he went. If he needed to change clothes he could have made all the preparations easily in advance and hidden all he wanted somewhere along the tracks.
Jeremy explained away the presence of his mother's bicycle at the cottage in Goldhanger as being transport for Julie to get to the station. Julie summarily denied this.
There was also the matter of the caked mud on the sidewalls of the bicycle tyres which Jeremy could not explain.
Title: Re: Could Jeremy Bamber have used a windsurfer or a boat the night of the murders?
Post by: david1819 on April 03, 2016, 07:11:10 PM
There was nothing to stop JB using a windsurfer to travel to and from WHF. I've found a youtube vid of a windsurfer on the River Blackwater. It would take next to no time for JB to stroll down to the seawall where he could have hidden his windsurfer and it would take probably 5 mins to hook round to WHF - see map above. Pages Lane is between Lauriston Farm and Rolls Farm.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MY_IVBsMB9k
He might have attached a lamping light to the boom head which he could then remove for the short walk from the river up the field and onto Pages Lane.
What JB actually done was this. He borrowed Lord Lucan's sea plane like the one in the picture below. Brett Collins then flew and landed the plane out to sea, then JB windsurfed to the sea plane while Brett Collins was waiting for him, then they took off and flew over WHF at high altitude and JB jumped out and parachuted to the roof of White house farm!
Please note that I have given these posts their own thread as the theory put forward by Holly is both interesting and plausible.
For what its worth I don't think he used any form of water transport that night, for a start it was too weather dependent and risky. It was much easier just to cycle to the farm in the darkness along the main road and the hard farm tracks avoiding the headlights of any passing traffic as he went. If he needed to change clothes he could have made all the preparations easily in advance and hidden all he wanted somewhere along the tracks.
Jeremy explained away the presence of his mother's bicycle at the cottage in Goldhanger as being transport for Julie to get to the station. Julie summarily denied this.
There was also the matter of the caked mud on the sidewalls of the bicycle tyres which Jeremy could not explain.
I believe that Holly has taken this 'April fools' thing, too far! At least, I hope she has. I would never be able to take her seriously again, otherwise.