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Alleged Miscarriages of Justice => Jeremy Bamber and the callous murder of his father, mother, sister and twin nephews. Case effectively CLOSED by CCRC on basis of NO APPEAL REFERRAL. => Topic started by: Myster on September 07, 2016, 05:25:16 PM
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Suicide note... or just another dead end?...
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/707781/Jeremy-Bamber-supporters-claim-police-ignored-sister-suicide-note-white-farm-essex]http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/707781/Jeremy-Bamber-supporters-claim-police-ignored-sister-suicide-note-white-farm-essex
http://www.jeremy-bamber.co.uk/
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Suicide note... or just another dead end?...
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/707781/Jeremy-Bamber-supporters-claim-police-ignored-sister-suicide-note-white-farm-essex (http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/707781/Jeremy-Bamber-supporters-claim-police-ignored-sister-suicide-note-white-farm-essex)
Depends what their objectives are. Extremely unlikely it could be used in a CCRC application. Or if it was it would simply be rejected before it gets off the starting block. The CCRC look for information the jury didn't know about. The jury were aware SC was mentally ill and suffered all sorts of bizarre thoughts etc and discussed suicide ideation with others eg Dr Ferguson and a cousin Helen Grimster who both testified at trial. The jury heard all this and found JB guilty by a majority of 10-2.
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Suicide note... or just another dead end?...
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/707781/Jeremy-Bamber-supporters-claim-police-ignored-sister-suicide-note-white-farm-essex (http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/707781/Jeremy-Bamber-supporters-claim-police-ignored-sister-suicide-note-white-farm-essex)
Dead end. Non starter. BUT - I think the CT know this. The legal team would surely have told them this. CT are just looking to use it to raise money.
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Dead end. Non starter. BUT - I think the CT know this. The legal team would surely have told them this. CT are just looking to use it to raise money.
Ugh, what a bunch of dodgy scroungers. As if they couldn't come up with a couple of grand between them! If Troods and that fat bloke gave up jaffa cakes for a week, they'd be nearly there.
8((()*/
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Suicide note... or just another dead end?...
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/707781/Jeremy-Bamber-supporters-claim-police-ignored-sister-suicide-note-white-farm-essex (http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/707781/Jeremy-Bamber-supporters-claim-police-ignored-sister-suicide-note-white-farm-essex)
I've no idea about any suicide note. I've read that it was apparently given the exhibit number DRH/42. All I can say is that as a result of recently rereading DC Hammersley's trial testimony looking for an exhibit number for the bible, which is DRH/44, I noticed that DRH/42 was missing.
DC Hammersley's trial testimony covers all the exhibits he logged and removed in numerical order. Exhibits that precede and succeed DRH/42 are as follows:
Date Exhibit Logged Exhibit Number Description Of Exhibit And Its Location
7th August DRH/40 Casing - Twins room
8th August DRH/41 Casing - Kitchen
?* DRH/42* Suicide note - SC's Bedroom*
9th August DRH/43 Casing - Main Bedroom
9th August DRH/44 Bible - Main Bedroom
* Have seen no official documents.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=165.0;attach=219
I ask myself why DC Hammersley became emotional during his COLP interview?
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=178.0;attach=431
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I've no idea about any suicide note. I've read that it was apparently given the exhibit number DRH/42. All I can say is that as a result of recently rereading DC Hammersley's trial testimony looking for an exhibit number for the bible, which is DRH/44, I noticed that DRH/42 was missing.
DC Hammersley's trial testimony covers all the exhibits he logged and removed in numerical order. Exhibits that precede and succeed DRH/42 are as follows:
Date Exhibit Logged Exhibit Number Description Of Exhibit And Its Location
7th August DRH/40 Casing - Twins room
8th August DRH/41 Casing - Kitchen
?* DRH/42* Suicide note - SC's Bedroom*
9th August DRH/43 Casing - Main Bedroom
9th August DRH/44 Bible - Main Bedroom
* Have seen no official documents.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=165.0;attach=219
I ask myself why DC Hammersley became emotional during his COLP interview?
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=178.0;attach=431
Sounds like more propaganda from the CT - trying to get publicity by passing off those 'notes/letter' as a suicide note written by Sheila while the police were outside WHF. Complete rubbish! This is the note that Hammersley collected and is exhibit number DRH/42
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Sounds like more propaganda from the CT - trying to get publicity by passing off those 'notes/letter' as a suicide note written by Sheila while the police were outside WHF. Complete rubbish! This is the note that Hammersley collected and is exhibit number DRH/42
Mystery solved! Thanks.
That looks like an adult, probably SC, is helping DC or NC or both with learning to read and write. How can anyone suggest this is a suicide letter or has any meaning other than children scribbling?
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Mystery solved! Thanks.
That looks like an adult, probably SC, is helping DC or NC or both with learning to read and write. How can anyone suggest this is a suicide letter or has any meaning other than children scribbling?
yes that sounds right holly
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Mystery solved! Thanks.
That looks like an adult, probably SC, is helping DC or NC or both with learning to read and write. How can anyone suggest this is a suicide letter or has any meaning other than children scribbling?
If everything that has be labelled a suicide note was actually written by SC, she wouldn't have had time to kill anyone or the strength to shoot herself. It really does get eembarrassing.
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It's surely too long to be a suicide note, they are usually short, or so I have read. (I have no experience of actually seeing one I'm glad to say!). Either that, or there are several of them, being addressed to family members/friends.
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If everything that has be labelled a suicide note was actually written by SC, she wouldn't have had time to kill anyone or the strength to shoot herself. It really does get eembarrassing.
too true caroline. @)(++(* @)(++(*
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Suicide note... or just another dead end?...
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/707781/Jeremy-Bamber-supporters-claim-police-ignored-sister-suicide-note-white-farm-essex (http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/707781/Jeremy-Bamber-supporters-claim-police-ignored-sister-suicide-note-white-farm-essex)
Oh my! Is this the big reveal, a sad letter to her birth mother which was released after the last appeal five years ago?
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Oh my! Is this the big reveal, a sad letter to her birth mother which was released after the last appeal five years ago?
It's not even that.
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It's surely too long to be a suicide note, they are usually short, or so I have read. (I have no experience of actually seeing one I'm glad to say!). Either that, or there are several of them, being addressed to family members/friends.
Long? Which suicide note do you mean... DRH/42, the one Caroline posted above?
A little short if you ask me and it's more likely to be McCartney's first draft of "Please, Please Me".... whoa yeah!
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Isn't the campaign team claiming that the note which was found in Sheila's room addressed to mummy represented a suicide note and not the single page of scribble given the identifier DRH/42 (see below).
(http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=7606.0;attach=7283;image)
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Long? Which suicide note do you mean... DRH/42, the one Caroline posted above?
A little short if you ask me and it's more likely to be McCartney's first draft of "Please, Please Me".... whoa yeah!
I think they looked at it as a suicide note but realised fairly quickly that it was nothing. No matter what the CT say, it was the short illegibale note that was on the table.
Just read the bit about the Marrianne Faithful song, Broken English. First line of the song is 'Could have come through anytime". Sheila must have liked the song and wrote out the lyrics but instead of writing 'Could have come through' she wrote 'Put a gun through'. I just listened to it and apart from his being dreary and hard to listen to had I not known the words were 'Could have come through ....' I'd have sworn it was 'Put a gun through'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHrsv0NVa6k
How many times do people sing the wrong words to a song? I can see what they chose this song though,
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I think they looked at it as a suicide note but realised fairly quickly that it was nothing. No matter what the CT say, it was the short illegibale note that was on the table.
Just read the bit about the Marrianne Faithful song, Broken English. First line of the song is 'Could have come through anytime". Sheila must have liked the song and wrote out the lyrics but instead of writing 'Could have come through' she wrote 'Put a gun through'. I just listened to it and apart from his being dreary and hard to listen to had I not known the words were 'Could have come through ....' I'd have sworn it was 'Put a gun through'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHrsv0NVa6k
How many times do people sing the wrong words to a song? I can see what they chose this song though,
OMG... that woman's voice is enough to turn anybody crackers!
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The claim by the CT that the letter somehow supports their assertion that Sheila was "in conversation" with the armed response team is basically hogwash. Had that been the case it would have come out in many of the police statements of events on that morning. Sheila was always going to be Jeremy Bamber's scapegoat/patsy, he planned it that way and now thirty one years on, little has changed.
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The claim by the CT that the letter somehow supports their assertion that Sheila was "in conversation" with the armed response team is basically hogwash. Had that been the case it would have come out in many of the police statements of events on that morning. Sheila was always going to be Jeremy Bamber's scapegoat/patsy, he planned it that way and now thirty one years on, little has changed.
totally agree john.without sheila the plan was dead.say for instance if sheila bought the twins to stay but did not stay herself jb would have no plan and no one would have been killed
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Long? Which suicide note do you mean... DRH/42, the one Caroline posted above?
A little short if you ask me and it's more likely to be McCartney's first draft of "Please, Please Me".... whoa yeah!
. No, the long, mostly illegible one now in the CT 'so possession, starting "Mummy darling".
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Isn't the campaign team claiming that the note which was found in Sheila's room addressed to mummy represented a suicide note and not the single page of scribble given the identifier DRH/42 (see below).
(http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=7606.0;attach=7283;image)
Yes
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Sorry - Yes, John. Haven't quite got the hang of this quoting thing yet!
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Isn't the campaign team claiming that the note which was found in Sheila's room addressed to mummy represented a suicide note and not the single page of scribble given the identifier DRH/42 (see below).
(http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=7606.0;attach=7283;image)
Yes, that's what they are trying to say but DRH/42 was the note found in Sheila's bedroom.
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. No, the long, mostly illegible one now in the CT 'so possession, starting "Mummy darling".
OK then... If Romeo's interpretation is correct that the note was about SC apologising to her natural mother (Mummy?) for having some very risque photos taken in her friend's back garden, then it has nothing to do with the claim by the CT that it was hurriedly written after the murders but before the police arrived at WHF. Those photos were taken in 1984.
Romeo, Romeo... wherefore art thou Romeo?
Please post thy translation here, if thou wouldst-io.
http://www.jeremy-bamber.co.uk/ (http://www.jeremy-bamber.co.uk/)
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OK then... If Romeo's interpretation is correct that the note was about SC apologising to her natural mother (Mummy?) for having some very risque photos taken in her friend's back garden, then it has nothing to do with the claim by the CT that it was hurriedly written after the murders but before the police arrived at WHF. Those photos were taken in 1984.
Romeo, Romeo... wherefore art thou Romeo?
Please post thy translation here, if thou wouldst-io.
http://www.jeremy-bamber.co.uk/ (http://www.jeremy-bamber.co.uk/)
Who's Romeo?
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Who's Romeo?
Juliet's lover.
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Juliet's lover.
@)(++(*
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Juliet's lover.
Major Marsham! Wow!
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OK then... If Romeo's interpretation is correct that the note was about SC apologising to her natural mother (Mummy?) for having some very risque photos taken in her friend's back garden, then it has nothing to do with the claim by the CT that it was hurriedly written after the murders but before the police arrived at WHF. Those photos were taken in 1984.
Romeo, Romeo... wherefore art thou Romeo?
Please post thy translation here, if thou wouldst-io.
http://www.jeremy-bamber.co.uk/ (http://www.jeremy-bamber.co.uk/)
Someone on Blue has just sent me a message about recent posts there. I don't tend to read it much now. Could all this be to do with the identity of SC's birth father or something of that nature rather than nude photos?
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Who's Romeo?
he's a new member on blue.i think this is another dead end
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he's a new member on blue.i think this is another dead end
Maybe not.
Is he good looking and does he like Naughty Nuns? Maybe I can find a way to get my lifetime ban lifted &%+((£
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cant tell you his looks holly.but if his forum name is anything to go by than he could well be a ladies man.sounds like a nice fella judging by his posts 8(0(*
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cant tell you his looks holly.but if his forum name is anything to go by than he could well be a ladies man.sounds like a nice fella judging by his posts 8(0(*
Or even a nice female? 8(0(*
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Or even a nice female? 8(0(*
yes i suppose april
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Or even a nice female? 8(0(*
How "nice" is nice April? 8(0(*
http://www.iflscience.com/editors-blog/study-suggests-women-are-all-bisexual-or-gay-almost-never-straight/
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Yes, that's what they are trying to say but DRH/42 was the note found in Sheila's bedroom.
Just to clarify, did the several page letter which the Express referred to have a police log number?
And were both the letter and the single page note found together on the bedroom table?
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Just to clarify, did the several page letter which the Express referred to have a police log number?
And were both the letter and the single page note found together on the bedroom table?
I don't think it did have a police log number just the one page weird note (DRH/42). I have never heard they were found together. In fact someone posted on blue that Jeremy doesn't think they wee written by Sheila or that they were found at the scene.
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I don't think it did have a police log number just the one page weird note (DRH/42). I have never heard they were found together. In fact someone posted on blue that Jeremy doesn't think they wee written by Sheila or that they were found at the scene.
Thanx Caroline.
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I don't think it did have a police log number just the one page weird note (DRH/42). I have never heard they were found together. In fact someone posted on blue that Jeremy doesn't think they wee written by Sheila or that they were found at the scene.
Trudi Benjamin says
Jeremy Bamber
@JBamberFacebook
#WhiteHouseFarm BRAND NEW fresh evidence supporting #JeremyBamber's innocence features in the
@dailystar
live now.
https://dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/police-hid-jeremy-bambers-sister-21377938…
@EmmaParkerUK
@Bambertweets
@FreeBamberNow
@jbcampaignltd
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Trudi Benjamin says
Jeremy Bamber
@JBamberFacebook
#WhiteHouseFarm BRAND NEW fresh evidence supporting #JeremyBamber's innocence features in the
@dailystar
live now.
https://dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/police-hid-jeremy-bambers-sister-21377938…
@EmmaParkerUK
@Bambertweets
@FreeBamberNow
@jbcampaignltd
Not sure what they're on about this time but my post refers to a several pages of scribble that they were trying to pass off as a suicide note some time back.
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Not sure what they're on about this time but my post refers to a several pages of scribble that they were trying to pass off as a suicide note some time back.
Have you seen this https://www.express.co.uk/showbiz/tv-radio/1241278/white-house-farm-jeremy-bamber-sheila-caffell-itv-drama-crucial-photographs-spt
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Have you seen this https://www.express.co.uk/showbiz/tv-radio/1241278/white-house-farm-jeremy-bamber-sheila-caffell-itv-drama-crucial-photographs-spt
Just read it, not sure why they are claiming that's new.
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Just read it, not sure why they are claiming that's new.
It’s not new - the headlines misleading
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It’s not new - the headlines misleading
Just tad @)(++(*
Going back to the other article, there is something that isn't being said; Stan Jones (the very guy talking about Bamber being guilty from more or less day 1) is supposed to be discussing a suicide note? Nah! More to that than meets the eye and if they has known about it since 2011, why wasn't part of the last submissions? Clearly Siomon McKay wasn't impressed?
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Just tad @)(++(*
Going back to the other article, there is something that isn't being said; Stan Jones (the very guy talking about Bamber being guilty from more or less day 1) is supposed to be discussing a suicide note? Nah! More to that than meets the eye and if they has known about it since 2011, why wasn't part of the last submissions? Clearly Siomon McKay wasn't impressed?
The CT are claiming on twitter
”You won't see this in the #ITV drama! In the interview, DS Stanley Brian Jones claims the scene was immediately treated as "four murders and a suicide" because... the team had a note saying: "I've killed myself."
“I’ve killed myself”
Never mind ‘#ITV’, they won’t be seeing Bamber in the CoA
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The CT are claiming on twitter
”You won't see this in the #ITV drama! In the interview, DS Stanley Brian Jones claims the scene was immediately treated as "four murders and a suicide" because... the team had a note saying: "I've killed myself."
“I’ve killed myself”
Never mind ‘#ITV’, they won’t be seeing Bamber in the CoA
It's laughable isn't it, or would be if it wasn't so warped. How long before they regurgitate the theory about Crispy the Shih tzu firing the second, fatal shot
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The CT are claiming on twitter
”You won't see this in the #ITV drama! In the interview, DS Stanley Brian Jones claims the scene was immediately treated as "four murders and a suicide" because... the team had a note saying: "I've killed myself."
“I’ve killed myself”
Never mind ‘#ITV’, they won’t be seeing Bamber in the CoA
Their Twitter page is hilarious.
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It's laughable isn't it, or would be if it wasn't so warped. How long before they regurgitate the theory about Crispy the Shih tzu firing the second, fatal shot
The CT still haven’t published the vets statement; neither did Mike Tesco in all those years
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Their Twitter page is hilarious.
#WhiteHouseFarm is officially the number one show in the UK. Thanks so much to everyone who worked on it. So gratifying to see your incredible efforts rewarded
https://mobile.twitter.com/KrisMrksa/status/1227015708933939201
Wrong thread
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The CT still haven’t published the vets statement; neither did Mike Tesco in all those years
They won't either - for obvious reasons.
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They won't either - for obvious reasons.
What is contained in the vets statement?.
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What is contained in the vets statement?.
I don't have a copy of it but I have seen it and copied down the text weird for word. I have posted it previously but will post again later.
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I don't have a copy of it but I have seen it and copied down the text weird for word. I have posted it previously but will post again later.
This is what the vet stated;
The Vet’s W/S:
Robert McTaggart Hill, w/s, 14 October 1985; vet with Neill & Scott, Maldon.
Jeremy Bamber called him on 8 August and he went to Bourtree:
‘On my arrival Mr Jeremy Bamber told me that he wished me to put down the Shih Tzu dog that had belonged to Mrs Bamber, his mother. He said that the dog was very attached to his mother, and since her death, he thought that the dog should not go to another home. He also said that the dog had turned a bit nasty since the killings at WHF and it was a bit snappy. I also spoke with Mr Jeremy Bamber about finding a new home for another dog from WHF, this was a black Labrador gun dog. He seemed concerned that the dog should be found another home on a farm but if that didn’t work out that dog should also be put down. Through the vet’s practise another home was found for this dog at Corporation Farm at Maldon and we housed the dog on Friday, 9 August 1985… Mr J Bamber brought the dog to the surgery on that afternoon. On the occasions I saw Jeremy Bamber, he seemed upset when I saw him on 8.8.85 but he seemed to be more composed on 9.8.85 when I saw him in Maldon at the surgery. On the latter occasion he explained that he was on tranquillisers. I knew nothing of Jeremy Bamber or his family prior to 8.8.85.’