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Alleged Miscarriages of Justice => Jeremy Bamber and the callous murder of his father, mother, sister and twin nephews. Case effectively CLOSED by CCRC on basis of NO APPEAL REFERRAL. => Topic started by: John on November 15, 2012, 01:08:43 PM
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Well its finally been announced. The court hearing to debate whether the review of the Jeremy Bamber case should be reconsidered by the CCRC will be held in two weeks time on thursday 29 November 2012. Thanks to Carl for bringing this to my attention.
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Well its finally been announced. The court hearing to debate whether the review of the Jeremy Bamber case should be reconsidered by the CCRC will be held in two weeks time on thursday 29 November 2012. Thanks to Carl for bringing this to my attention.
Cool. I will give anyone on the Blue Forum 5 to 1 odds on a bet that Bamber fails miserably yet again! I wonder if any of the Bamberettes will actually acknowledge then that Bamber has no hope of even getting an another Appeal? I doubt it!
No doubt Bamber's blog will continue with his fantasies of getting a chateau and vineyard in France and learning to ski! If Bamber does actually write those blogs, he fully expects to nor only be free but to be rich too!!!
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Well its finally been announced. The court hearing to debate whether the review of the Jeremy Bamber case should be reconsidered by the CCRC will be held in two weeks time on thursday 29 November 2012. Thanks to Carl for bringing this to my attention.
Cool. I will give anyone on the Blue Forum 5 to 1 odds on a bet that Bamber fails miserably yet again! I wonder if any of the Bamberettes will actually acknowledge then that Bamber has no hope of even getting an another Appeal? I doubt it!
No doubt Bamber's blog will continue with his fantasies of getting a chateau and vineyard in France and learning to ski! If Bamber does actually write those blogs, he fully expects to nor only be free but to be rich too!!!
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All part of the fantasy Tim. ?>)()<
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Is anyone going along to hear the arguments? >@@(*&)
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This is a huge deal. I don't think that people will fully understand the importance of this hearing until after it has happened because 1) If it succeeds it means big things for the Bamber case obviously but 2) If it fails... Bambr is gonig to dissappear for years. The CCRC will not give him another opening for the forseeable future.
Simon is gonig to FIGHT HARD in this hearing.
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It is being held at the Royal Courts of Justice in London if what I am being told is correct.
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It is being held at the Royal Courts of Justice in London if what I am being told is correct.
Yes, 10am at the Royal Courts on The Strand. Will Jackie P and Co be there with their banners? @)(++(*
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I doubt Bamber would be happy if Preece intended to attend.
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This is a huge deal. I don't think that people will fully understand the importance of this hearing until after it has happened because 1) If it succeeds it means big things for the Bamber case obviously but 2) If it fails... Bambr is gonig to dissappear for years. The CCRC will not give him another opening for the forseeable future.
Simon is gonig to FIGHT HARD in this hearing.
What is likely to happen in your opinion Mat?
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I think it is lost already - I don't see what they can do. Imagine sitting down with blue, red and yellow flowers........and your wife wants red flowers or you're not getting back in!
How do you give them what they want - when you don't have it?
You can try make her accept what doesn't work....but she won't.
Lose within thirty minutes.
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I think our Mr McKay has his work cut out for him trying to persuade judges of the significance of his marvellous new evidence if that is what it amounts to. Bamber won't be there of course so he will have to await the news just like the rest of us.
It would be magic to be in London though just to see his reaction when the judicial review fails. That would be priceless!
I must see if we can get reports via twitter.
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I wouldn't mind popping along to the RCJ but getting in might be another problem. Should make for an interesting morning if nothing else.
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Im going to try to go if I can get in the courtroom - its going to be packed and the viewing galleries are quite small.
Is anyone going along to hear the arguments? >@@(*&)
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Actually its ocurred to me that it may not necessarily be in London - the Administrative Court sits in other cities now also. Do we know that it will be at the the Royal Courts of Justice in the Stand?
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Actually its ocurred to me that it may not necessarily be in London - the Administrative Court sits in other cities now also. Do we know that it will be at the the Royal Courts of Justice in the Stand?
Are you able to find out for sure frank or is it a matter of telephoning some office at the RCJ ?
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I could give the Admin Court a call and ask them. They may say they cant tell me but Ill give it a go.
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Otherwise I would definitely know the day before when the listing sheets are posted online.
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Thanks frank. I had a look at the RCJ website but frankly it wasn't very helpful. If one person found out we could share the information. I don't think McK would tell us. @)(++(*
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Well its finally been announced. The court hearing to debate whether the review of the Jeremy Bamber case should be reconsidered by the CCRC will be held in two weeks time on thursday 29 November 2012. Thanks to Carl for bringing this to my attention.
Cool. I will give anyone on the Blue Forum 5 to 1 odds on a bet that Bamber fails miserably yet again! I wonder if any of the Bamberettes will actually acknowledge then that Bamber has no hope of even getting an another Appeal? I doubt it!
No doubt Bamber's blog will continue with his fantasies of getting a chateau and vineyard in France and learning to ski! If Bamber does actually write those blogs, he fully expects to nor only be free but to be rich too!!!
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To quote from the last commentary by my namesake David Boutflour, it is time that this case was brought to an end. The family have suffered enough over the last 27 years. Bamber only lives for the publicity and the knowledge that some of the public are interested in his case. I say shut him down and prosecute those who have defamed the surviving family.
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I see that the Blue Forum seems to think there will be two judges on Thursday. Case must be at the RCJ ( High Court) in London then. If its true ( I guess they have their sources), its a good thing. There will probably be a senior judge in there ( possibly from the Court of Appeal). Makes it harder for Bamber to appeal it further if he loses decisively.
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Posted this in the wrong place
Hearing details for tomorrow's JR . Sir John Thomas is President of the Queens Bench Division - quite tough. Dont know Globe.
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COURT 3
Before SIR JOHN THOMAS PQBD and MR JUSTICE GLOBE
Thursday 29 November, 2012
At half past 10
Applications for Permission
CO/6487/2012 The Queen on the application of Bamber v Criminal Cases Review Commission
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Will the final decision follow immediately, frank..... or will we have to wait for it like the ECHR one?
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Should be at the end of the hearing. Obviously if permission is granted then there wont be a long judgment.
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I don't believe we should underestimate the importance of today's decision by the Royal Courts of Justice in the judicial review before them. If they rule that the CCRC decision NOT to refer the case to the Appeal Court is sound and competent then Bamber is effectively STUFFED!
When that happens it will be so amusing to watch the blue forum implode. @)(++(*
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Its been thrown out.
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Just saw it on the news. Didnt take them long - it didnt even last a session. Bamber says that he has no choice but to resubmit new evidence to the CCRC and hope that it doesnt take them another 8 years. Well sorry to disappoint you old pal but the CCRC will not reopen the case whatever you throw at them. They made it perfectly clear when they published their decision that it was a final decision.
THE END.
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Its been thrown out.
Well no surprises there then »
Killer Jeremy Bamber has failed in his latest High Court action to overturn a conviction for murdering five relatives 27 years ago in Essex.
Two judges in London rejected a judicial review application.
Bamber challenged a refusal by the Criminal Cases Review Commission (CCRC) to refer his case back to the Court of Appeal as a miscarriage of justice.
The CCRC, an independent body which investigates possible miscarriages, rejected Bamber's last appeal in April.
The decision on Thursday follows a single judge rejecting Bamber's application for permission to seek judicial review of the CCRC's decision after he studied the case papers in private.
Bamber made a renewed application dealt with by Sir John Thomas, president of the Queen's Bench Division, and Mr Justice Globe.
Announcing the decision, Sir John said that having looked at the approach taken by the CCRC in the case he could not see "any way" in which a challenge could be made to the decision reached
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Sense has prevailed yet again. Justice for the family. 8@??)(
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Someone else here confirm that I'm right about the CCRC appeals. You can't just send them in when you feel like it, you need to have their permission they need to agree to look at the case again.
Neil said by law they have to. That's not correct. They don't. Once they agree to look at the case, then obviously by law they have to. But once they have lawfully said NO! then you have to reapply for them to accept a new set of submissions.
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Someone else here confirm that I'm right about the CCRC appeals. You can't just send them in when you feel like it, you need to have their permission they need to agree to look at the case again.
Neil said by law they have to. That's not correct. They don't. Once they agree to look at the case, then obviously by law they have to. But once they have lawfully said NO! then you have to reapply for them to accept a new set of submissions.
That's correct Mat. 8((()*/
The Judicial Review decision yesterday means Bamber's case is effectively closed and is not now active or live. If new evidence is obtained at some later date he will have to reapply to the CCRC as the Law stands.
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Someone else here confirm that I'm right about the CCRC appeals. You can't just send them in when you feel like it, you need to have their permission they need to agree to look at the case again.
Neil said by law they have to. That's not correct. They don't. Once they agree to look at the case, then obviously by law they have to. But once they have lawfully said NO! then you have to reapply for them to accept a new set of submissions.
That's correct Mat. 8((()*/
The Judicial Review decision yesterday means Bamber's case is effectively closed and is not now active or live. If new evidence is obtained at some later date he will have to reapply to the CCRC as the Law stands.
Yep, I knew it. The CCRC said so in the press release when they said that it was their final decision. The Bamber case will now be a 'case in waiting' once Simon Mckay reapplies......but from what I'm reading on the blue forum they don't seem to know they need to reapply??
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4 - Can I apply to the CCRC more than once?
If necessary you can apply to the CCRC more than once in relation to the same
conviction or sentence. However, if you apply to us for another review of a case
that we have looked at before, your re-application will need to raise something
new that you didn’t mention to us in any earlier applications and that was not
raised at your trial or appeal. If it does not, we will not review your case again.
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I dont know why they are bothering to reapply. The CCRC will not look at it and then MCkay will bring yet another ridiculous Judicial Review of that refusal. Eventually Bamber will be declared a vexatious litigant by the High Court - Im sure of it. As for Mckay, his judgment is sadly lacking. To have a case dismissed in less than a session like that is pretty humiliating..
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I dont know why they are bothering to reapply. The CCRC will not look at it and then MCkay will bring yet another ridiculous Judicial Review of that refusal. Eventually Bamber will be declared a vexatious litigant by the High Court - Im sure of it. As for Mckay, his judgment is sadly lacking. To have a case dismissed in less than a session like that is pretty humiliating..
Frank, so it's true. The session didn't actually finish and it was over?
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Well yes. The hearing started at 10.30 and was over before lunch. And that included ths judgment at the end
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mmm interesting i didn't realise he was going down that road again. i am also perplexed by his, amongst others, application to the european court against their "whole life tariffs". how is that going to work? assuming he is successful, i would imagine this involves some kind of release on parole. but i always understood that parole was granted after the offender had admitted his guilt and shown genuine repentance. how is Bamber going to do that?
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mmm interesting i didn't realise he was going down that road again. i am also perplexed by his, amongst others, application to the european court against their "whole life tariffs". how is that going to work? assuming he is successful, i would imagine this involves some kind of release on parole. but i always understood that parole was granted after the offender had admitted his guilt and shown genuine repentance. how is Bamber going to do that?
The ECHR have already rejected Bamber's claim that Whole Life Tarrifs are illegal. All Bamber is able to try now is to get them to make the British Government have to periodically review such tarrifs!
And don't worry hun he is going to lose this appeaal too! Bamber is going nowhere ..... ever .... until the gates of hell open for him!
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What I want to know is where is all of this money funding the legal battles coming from? NGB? And if Simon McKay isn't getting paid to do this how much longer will he be representing Jeremy? With the best will in the world even if McKay genuinely believes Bamber to be innocent (though when asked this question outright he tellingly refused to answer) and is doing it for the love of it the guy has a living to make surely?
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I cant see Mckay carrying on - he would be mad. He knows that any further submissions to the CCRC will be rejected out of hand, so he will be wasting his time. I think Bamber will change tack and try to campaign through the media. The good thing is that nobody of any significance is particularly interested anymore.
What I want to know is where is all of this money funding the legal battles coming from? NGB? And if Simon McKay isn't getting paid to do this how much longer will he be representing Jeremy? With the best will in the world even if McKay genuinely believes Bamber to be innocent (though when asked this question outright he tellingly refused to answer) and is doing it for the love of it the guy has a living to make surely?
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I dont know why they are bothering to reapply. The CCRC will not look at it and then MCkay will bring yet another ridiculous Judicial Review of that refusal. Eventually Bamber will be declared a vexatious litigant by the High Court - Im sure of it. As for Mckay, his judgment is sadly lacking. To have a case dismissed in less than a session like that is pretty humiliating..
I just love those words 'vexatious litigant' ....nice choice Frank! 8((()*/
From Wiki >Vexatious litigation is legal action which is brought, regardless of its merits, solely to harass or subdue an adversary. A perfect analogy with Bamber's campaign.
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I bet I could name others >@@(*&)
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Perhaps NGB could comment on how an future Bamber submissions to the CCRC will be funded?
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I just love those words 'vexatious litigant' ....nice choice Frank! 8((()*/
From Wiki >Vexatious litigation is legal action which is brought, regardless of its merits, solely to harass or subdue an adversary. A perfect analogy with Bamber's campaign.
Never mind about that font of all knowledge Wikipedia, check out:
http://www.infotextmanuscripts.org/vexatiouslitigant/