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Alleged Miscarriages of Justice => Jeremy Bamber and the callous murder of his father, mother, sister and twin nephews. Case effectively CLOSED by CCRC on basis of NO APPEAL REFERRAL. => Topic started by: Holly Goodhead on April 24, 2017, 09:32:48 PM

Title: Does the Henri Van Breden case in SA echo the White House Farm murders case?
Post by: Holly Goodhead on April 24, 2017, 09:32:48 PM
It will be interesting to see how this pans out. 

Henri Van Breden seems to have the support of his maternal aunt:

Soon after, Teresa van Breda's sister said speculation that Henri, her nephew, had murdered his family was incorrect.

Narita du Toit told the weekly You magazine that 20-year-old Henri was a “lovely child” who would never attack his family.

Du Toit said one could tell when “a child has done something wrong” but with her nephew “there was nothing”.

She told the magazine that rumours that Henri was on drugs, had been in rehab and a psychiatric clinic, were untrue.


http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/analysis-was-the-van-breda-family-broken-from-within-20160614

I would be interested in knowing more about the father's business dealings:

Martin Van Breda amassed a fortune from property and other investments while living in Perth, Australia, for seven years.

Shortly before the murders, he moved back to South Africa with his family to cash in on a lucrative business deal.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4439476/Son-accused-killing-parents-axe-murder-testify.html

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Title: Re: Does the Henri Van Breden case in SA echo the White House Farm murders case?
Post by: Holly Goodhead on April 24, 2017, 09:57:14 PM
It seems the family had only fairly recently returned to South Africa having spent 7 years in Australia.  Henri Van Braden was around 20 at the time of the murders so around 14 when they emigrated.  This might explain why he was unaware of emergency number.
Title: Re: Does the Henri Van Breden case in SA echo the White House Farm murders case?
Post by: Myster on April 24, 2017, 10:10:46 PM
It seems the family had only fairly recently returned to South Africa having spent 7 years in Australia.  Henri Van Braden was around 20 at the time of the murders so around 14 when they emigrated.  This might explain why he was unaware of emergency number.

So it took him 4 hours to find it, even after googling.  Bamber was like grease lightning by comparison!

'Van Breda said he was delayed from calling for help for four hours after the murders because he did not know the number to dial.'
Title: Re: Does the Henri Van Breden case in SA echo the White House Farm murders case?
Post by: Holly Goodhead on April 24, 2017, 10:12:33 PM
I think we need to start a new thread re 'Comparisons with the Van Bradens' or put the case elsewhere as a stand alone?   
Title: Re: Does the Henri Van Breden case in SA echo the White House Farm murders case?
Post by: Holly Goodhead on April 24, 2017, 10:13:30 PM
So it took him 4 hours to find it, even after googling.  Bamber was like grease lightning by comparison!

'Van Breda said he was delayed from calling for help for four hours after the murders because he did not know the number to dial.'

Yes but he passed out somewhere along the line and lost track of time!
Title: Re: Does the Henri Van Breden case in SA echo the White House Farm murders case?
Post by: Myster on April 24, 2017, 10:18:33 PM
Yes but he passed out somewhere along the line and lost track of time!

I think this is going to be a no-brainer, although weird things can happen in South African courts.
Title: Re: Does the Henri Van Breden case in SA echo the White House Farm murders case?
Post by: Samson on April 25, 2017, 12:07:59 PM
I think this is going to be a no-brainer, although weird things can happen in South African courts.
I have seen nothing strange in SA courts.
Oscar Pistorius obviously blazed away at a supposed intruder, acted in haste and repents at leisure.
Shrien Dewani got royally dicked by false testimony of second tier gangsters and the case was seen straight through by another smart female judge.
Title: Re: Does the Henri Van Breden case in SA echo the White House Farm murders case?
Post by: John on April 25, 2017, 08:43:01 PM
It will be interesting to see how this pans out. 

Henri Van Breden seems to have the support of his maternal aunt:

Soon after, Teresa van Breda's sister said speculation that Henri, her nephew, had murdered his family was incorrect.

Narita du Toit told the weekly You magazine that 20-year-old Henri was a “lovely child” who would never attack his family.

Du Toit said one could tell when “a child has done something wrong” but with her nephew “there was nothing”.

She told the magazine that rumours that Henri was on drugs, had been in rehab and a psychiatric clinic, were untrue.


http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/analysis-was-the-van-breda-family-broken-from-within-20160614

I would be interested in knowing more about the father's business dealings:

Martin Van Breda amassed a fortune from property and other investments while living in Perth, Australia, for seven years.

Shortly before the murders, he moved back to South Africa with his family to cash in on a lucrative business deal.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4439476/Son-accused-killing-parents-axe-murder-testify.html

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An interesting case and sounds very fishy to me given the delay in contacting the police.  There would surely have been lots of blood around and if an intruder had been present there would have been unaccounted-for footprints etc.

A South African Bamber case?
Title: Re: Does the Henri Van Breden case in SA echo the White House Farm murders case?
Post by: adam on April 25, 2017, 10:41:34 PM
So it took him 4 hours to find it, even after googling.  Bamber was like grease lightning by comparison!

'Van Breda said he was delayed from calling for help for four hours after the murders because he did not know the number to dial.'

Four hours ?
Title: Re: Does the Henri Van Breden case in SA echo the White House Farm murders case?
Post by: Myster on April 26, 2017, 05:25:27 AM
I have seen nothing strange in SA courts.
Oscar Pistorius obviously blazed away at a supposed intruder, acted in haste and repents at leisure.
Shrien Dewani got royally dicked by false testimony of second tier gangsters and the case was seen straight through by another smart female judge.
Take off those mud-covered specs. Pistorius knew very well he was firing at Reeva Steenkamp in the toilet. She had her holdall already packed to leave him that night, and he was determined to stop her at any cost. But Masipa, blinded by this fictional intruder who supposedly got in through an upstairs window without a ladder anywhere in sight, let Pistorius off with a paltry six years.
Title: Re: Does the Henri Van Breden case in SA echo the White House Farm murders case?
Post by: Myster on April 26, 2017, 05:31:40 AM
Four hours ?
Well, it was three hours according to other reports, but still a hell of a lot longer than Bamber. I googled it in 10 seconds.
Title: Re: Does the Henri Van Breden case in SA echo the White House Farm murders case?
Post by: adam on April 26, 2017, 09:10:55 AM
Well, it was three hours according to other reports, but still a hell of a lot longer than Bamber. I googled it in 10 seconds.

3/4 hours to do what.  Ring up the police after finding out relatives had been killed ?

Sorry can't be bothered to read up on the case. So won't post if I get a reply. It's just 3 - 4 hours sounds amazing if still claiming innocence.