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Welcome to the UK Justice Forum => New members please introduce yourself here. => Topic started by: Crabtree on December 04, 2012, 06:09:11 PM
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Hello everyone,
I have just joined thus forum, having spent months trawling the Internet in support of a friend who has been wrongly convicted, we have been to the Court of Appeal in the last few months on "new evidence" but the application was dismissed. I have my friends permission to put his case out there in hope we will get justice, can I do this here?
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Hello everyone,
I have just joined thus forum, having spent months trawling the Internet in support of a friend who has been wrongly convicted, we have been to the Court of Appeal in the last few months on "new evidence" but the application was dismissed. I have my friends permission to put his case out there in hope we will get justice, can I do this here?
Hi Crabtree
Why yes of course you can. If you give a few details I am sure that one of the admins will sort it all out.
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Yes. I think if you go to the lower part of the forum and post under the first one which includes misc things and the pub, then John might move it to the main part if there's enough info or one of the moderators might be able to do it.
The more info you can give the better and links 8((()*/
If you need any help let us know and I will wake Padgate up or Toby!
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Thank you to you both for your replies, I will move over to the other section and do the posting - appreciate the guidance, this is all very new to me, fighting for justice, and forums >@@(*&)
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Thank you to you both for your replies, I will move over to the other section and do the posting - appreciate the guidance, this is all very new to me, fighting for justice, and forums >@@(*&)
Welcome to the forum Crabtree. 8((()*/
Just start a new topic as Joanne suggests here > http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?board=12.0
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Welcome.
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You saved me, thank you John, was struggling to find the location To start, cheers 8((()*/
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Sorry, I was half way typing and I forgot the name of the section I meant 8(8-))
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You saved me, thank you John, was struggling to find the location To start, cheers 8((()*/
Just give me the case name and a suitable title and a few details so that I can find it on the internet and I will set it up. You can add the threads as necessary.
Joanne is a dab hand at introducing new cases so she may be able to help you as well.
Have we dealt with your case previously Crabtree?
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Thanks guys, I have just put a long posting up, I tried to condense it but its really hard... Any assistance is greatly welcomed as I'm trying my best to save my friend from rotting in jail for the rest of his life
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Do you have a website or anything to help us out here Crabtree? Even a link to a newspaper report?
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Do you have a website or anything to help us out here Crabtree? Even a link to a newspaper report?
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Date+set+for+trial+of+three+on+murder+plot+charge.-a0126167936
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2005/may/24/ukcrime.drugsandalcohol
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We are setting up a website - another friend is doing this, the postings jam jam have posted will help, there was lots of reports in the Liverpool echo, we kept it very low profile whilst the solicitor was preparing the appeal, maybe in hindsight we should have put this out there from the start, sorry for not being organised before I came on here?
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For Darren case
http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0100regionalnews/tm_objectid=15548769&method=full&siteid=50061&headline=sas-killer-gets-life-name_page.html
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Thanks guys, I have just put a long posting up, I tried to condense it but its really hard... Any assistance is greatly welcomed as I'm trying my best to save my friend from rotting in jail for the rest of his life
Rome wasn't build in a day so take your time and when the admins give you space you can add different threads which will make the case easier to read and follow for the newbie. 8((()*/
welcome to the forum to 8((()*/
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We are setting up a website - another friend is doing this, the postings jam jam have posted will help, there was lots of reports in the Liverpool echo, we kept it very low profile whilst the solicitor was preparing the appeal, maybe in hindsight we should have put this out there from the start, sorry for not being organised before I came on here?
Things like websites can take a while to do correctly but are useful for keeping the case in the public eye. Always try and keep the information on a website to a minimum. When I set my first site up it took over a year to build but I built it from scratch designing my own graphics as I went. Nowadays you can use one of the free website providers such as webs.com which offer a basic but speedy service.
It is useful to have a forum to discuss the case though and that in itself can be a full-time occupation. You are very welcome to showcase Darren's plight on here and direct interested parties directly to your site when you have it up and running and vice versa.
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Thank you John and Huggy for the welcome and info. I will look at the free website you mentioned, that's helpful.
I have been reading so many different websites, some put almost everything on, such as prosecution statements etc others are brief Will the info I have put on move to the miscarriage of justice section? It is very much like a full time occupation, I'm finding I'm home from work, on the net searching for him, before you know it, it's 11pm, day in day out. Ive collected all the case papers from the solicitors so they are safe and to hand for me, I really do appreciate the guidance. 8(0(*
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Thank you John and Huggy for the welcome and info. I will look at the free website you mentioned, that's helpful.
I have been reading so many different websites, some put almost everything on, such as prosecution statements etc others are brief Will the info I have put on move to the miscarriage of justice section? It is very much like a full time occupation, I'm finding I'm home from work, on the net searching for him, before you know it, it's 11pm, day in day out. Ive collected all the case papers from the solicitors so they are safe and to hand for me, I really do appreciate the guidance. 8(0(*
Hi Crabtree. I am not aware of this case but find it to be quite interesting from what you have already described. Do you know Darren well enough to be sure of his innocence? This is crucial in taking his case forward. Far too many times we see spouses and parents pleading for their loved ones out of sentiment and not reality.
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Hi Davy, yes I understand your comments, I have been reading the case of the bloke who denied killing his wife, her body was never discovered, Sandra Lean was involved in protesting his innocence alongside His new girlfriend and the he admitted it!! I am not blinded by love and know Darren very well. I am mindful of the fact that someone lost their life here devastating a family, but Darren was not the gunman. The ID parade was always a sticking point but was hard to argue before a jury, it's never easy to suggest to a jury, some police are bent and corrupt, that can go down like a lead ball on, so the defence team had to tread carefully. When Darren gee sent the Xmas card stating the police told him what Darren was wearing, and then provided a statement to that effect, it all clicked into place. He actually said in his statement Darren Waterhouse was not the gunman, the gunman was now dead!! I have not put the whole case up, just snippets, otherwise it would become a book. ?{)(** if you look after Craig's death, people were being killed pretty soon after, an underlined suggestion it was linked or acts of retribution. Darren gee is serving for murder, the other occupant mark Richardson also serving for murder for Mikey Wright, a name on the list supplied to police who was involved in the death of Craig. These " prosecution witness" were active in a huge way in the criminal world, mark Richardson is connected to Tony Richardson, who dated Jennifer Ellison, and had a huge contract on his head. This is all in the public domain. Why won't the CPS disclose the 999 call, I'm told its quite common in defence cases for these transcripts to be served, why not here? Raises the suspicion greatly, the police had lost control due to the high amount of shootings and I feel they just wanted to show they were in control and wrapped up the wrong person. Darren had extensive firearms expertise, travelled to Liverpool so must be him. Darren's co- d, john, pleaded, William I believe has now accepted his role in prison, Darren refuses to engage with the prison service on sentence planning meetings and still maintains his innocence. I've read on a campaign site it's worth writing to the local MP, I'm not sure if that will help but I guess if you don't ask.....if we don't try he will spend 30 years plus in jail, as he will never accept responsibility for this he will serve beyond his tariff.
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Hi Davy, yes I understand your comments, I have been reading the case of the bloke who denied killing his wife, her body was never discovered, Sandra Lean was involved in protesting his innocence alongside His new girlfriend and the he admitted it!! I am not blinded by love and know Darren very well. I am mindful of the fact that someone lost their life here devastating a family, but Darren was not the gunman. The ID parade was always a sticking point but was hard to argue before a jury, it's never easy to suggest to a jury, some police are bent and corrupt, that can go down like a lead ball on, so the defence team had to tread carefully. When Darren gee sent the Xmas card stating the police told him what Darren was wearing, and then provided a statement to that effect, it all clicked into place. He actually said in his statement Darren Waterhouse was not the gunman, the gunman was now dead!! I have not put the whole case up, just snippets, otherwise it would become a book. ?{)(** if you look after Craig's death, people were being killed pretty soon after, an underlined suggestion it was linked or acts of retribution. Darren gee is serving for murder, the other occupant mark Richardson also serving for murder for Mikey Wright, a name on the list supplied to police who was involved in the death of Craig. These " prosecution witness" were active in a huge way in the criminal world, mark Richardson is connected to Tony Richardson, who dated Jennifer Ellison, and had a huge contract on his head. This is all in the public domain. Why won't the CPS disclose the 999 call, I'm told its quite common in defence cases for these transcripts to be served, why not here? Raises the suspicion greatly, the police had lost control due to the high amount of shootings and I feel they just wanted to show they were in control and wrapped up the wrong person. Darren had extensive firearms expertise, travelled to Liverpool so must be him. Darren's co- d, john, pleaded, William I believe has now accepted his role in prison, Darren refuses to engage with the prison service on sentence planning meetings and still maintains his innocence. I've read on a campaign site it's worth writing to the local MP, I'm not sure if that will help but I guess if you don't ask.....if we don't try he will spend 30 years plus in jail, as he will never accept responsibility for this he will serve beyond his tariff.
I'm still reading up on the case Crabtree but in respect of the non disclosed 999 call, if you are sure that such a recording exists you can take a court action to force the police to hand it over. I believe this has been managed recently in other cases.
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Hi Davy, yes I understand your comments, I have been reading the case of the bloke who denied killing his wife, her body was never discovered, Sandra Lean was involved in protesting his innocence alongside His new girlfriend and the he admitted it!! I am not blinded by love and know Darren very well. I am mindful of the fact that someone lost their life here devastating a family, but Darren was not the gunman. The ID parade was always a sticking point but was hard to argue before a jury, it's never easy to suggest to a jury, some police are bent and corrupt, that can go down like a lead ball on, so the defence team had to tread carefully. When Darren gee sent the Xmas card stating the police told him what Darren was wearing, and then provided a statement to that effect, it all clicked into place. He actually said in his statement Darren Waterhouse was not the gunman, the gunman was now dead!! I have not put the whole case up, just snippets, otherwise it would become a book. ?{)(** if you look after Craig's death, people were being killed pretty soon after, an underlined suggestion it was linked or acts of retribution. Darren gee is serving for murder, the other occupant mark Richardson also serving for murder for Mikey Wright, a name on the list supplied to police who was involved in the death of Craig. These " prosecution witness" were active in a huge way in the criminal world, mark Richardson is connected to Tony Richardson, who dated Jennifer Ellison, and had a huge contract on his head. This is all in the public domain. Why won't the CPS disclose the 999 call, I'm told its quite common in defence cases for these transcripts to be served, why not here? Raises the suspicion greatly, the police had lost control due to the high amount of shootings and I feel they just wanted to show they were in control and wrapped up the wrong person. Darren had extensive firearms expertise, travelled to Liverpool so must be him. Darren's co- d, john, pleaded, William I believe has now accepted his role in prison, Darren refuses to engage with the prison service on sentence planning meetings and still maintains his innocence. I've read on a campaign site it's worth writing to the local MP, I'm not sure if that will help but I guess if you don't ask.....if we don't try he will spend 30 years plus in jail, as he will never accept responsibility for this he will serve beyond his tariff.
I'm still reading up on the case Crabtree but in respect of the non disclosed 999 call, if you are sure that such a recording exists you can take a court action to force the police to hand it over. I believe this has been managed recently in other cases.
The Freedom Of Information act might also be used to force the CPS to release the 999 recording.
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the recording exsits as thats been confirmed in the CPS letter, John could you share any further light on this course of action please? and or i could submit an FOI request very interesting points you guys raise- that is food for thought - thank you