I spent much of Thursday reading the Scott Lomax book; I was surprised at the strength of the case he makes, for example he says Bamber dialled the local Filth because he didn't want flashing lights and sirens. This is plausible as are many other things, but still not good enough.
Furthermore he makes all manner of ludicrous claims including that garbage about someone moving in the house - a claim set up by Bamber - and the one-sided conversation.
Then he goes really over the top by suggesting the phone line to the house was open and the police may have or had tapes.
The bottom line though is that the officer in charge of the case was convinced Sheila was responsible initially. Why did he change his mind if any of these ludicrous claims were true?
Why did any of them? The implication is that they knew Bamber was innocent but put him under surveillance anyway and then allowed Julie Mugford and others to set him up.
This is Alice-in-Wonderland stuff.
One question no one seems to have asked is did Bamber have an accomplice? It appears not but it's surprising no one has suggested it.
I am more convinced now than ever that Bamber's leaving the silencer was deliberate. True, he wanted an audience, but consider the Shipman case.
This is a guy with a stratospheric IQ who has murdered over 200 people, then he murders his last victim and forges her will so clumsily, so suspiciously, and Mrs Grundy's daughter was a solicitor. How could he have hoped to get away with it?
By that time, Shipman realised subconsciously that it had to stop. I think deep down Bamber realised that he too shouldn't have got away with it.
Just me but what do people think?
In an ideal world Bamber would have dumped the silencer, however this was simply not a possibility as wherever it would have been dumped it would have been found and probably traced. This would have incriminated him so he had to leave it in the house. I believe he cleaned it as best he could and hoped it wouldn't be found or he would have cleaned it well enough for it not to be suspicious, but may have been panicking a bit so was a bit remiss(remember a lot of unexpected things happened during the murder, chiefly he shot her with the silencer on and had to remove it because no one would believe she could have done this herself with the silencer on). I personally don't think he ever thought he would be caught.
Absolutely Matthew, surely you would have expected some sort of blood presence inside the rifle barrel (if Sheila had shot herself with the tip of the barrell pressing into her neck). There was none but there were traces of blood in the silencer. QED.
Afternoon Matthew!
I don't know what you mean by apologist Patti? Could you explain please?
There was blood on the back on Sheila's right hand and along her thumb, if you would care to observe.
I'd like to know where you have seen photo's of the inside of her hands, because there isn't any.
Bye for now! ?{)(**
Afternoon Matthew!Yes an apologist is someone who makes excuses for someone else and that is what you are doing for Jeremy Bamber by trying to blame Sheila Caffell. If I have got this wrong I do apologise. 8((()*/
I don't know what you mean by apologist Patti? Could you explain please?
There was blood on the back on Sheila's right hand and along her thumb, if you would care to observe.
I'd like to know where you have seen photo's of the inside of her hands, because there isn't any.
Bye for now! ?{)(**
The Blue forum should understand our stance; there is a mountain of evidence that Sheila could not have fired that rifle and is a victim of murder and anyone who accuses her of murdering her adored sons and parents is doing her a massive injustice.
Any sensible and reasonable person need only to read the extent of the fight injuries to Neville to realise that Sheila could never have beaten him so badly and remained forensically clean. Neville was hit so hard it broke his jaw and broke the rifle's stock; Sheila didn't even have a bruise on her!
I think it is reasonable to say that no one who reads the evidence of Sheila's condition after death can possibly accuse her of those 5 murders and expect to be taken seriously!
The blue forum continually go on about 'new evidence' which obviously doesn't exist because Jeremy Bamber is still inside. I think it's probably time for them to accept he's as guilty as can be and to really stop debating the issue to within a milimeter of it's life. It's all very batty to continue pushing the issue, he isn't coming out, other than in a box. They need to find other things to debate.
The Blue forum should understand our stance; there is a mountain of evidence that Sheila could not have fired that rifle and is a victim of murder and anyone who accuses her of murdering her adored sons and parents is doing her a massive injustice.
Any sensible and reasonable person need only to read the extent of the fight injuries to Neville to realise that Sheila could never have beaten him so badly and remained forensically clean. Neville was hit so hard it broke his jaw and broke the rifle's stock; Sheila didn't even have a bruise on her!
I think it is reasonable to say that no one who reads the evidence of Sheila's condition after death can possibly accuse her of those 5 murders and expect to be taken seriously!
I don't know how anyone can convince some members of the Blue Forum that it is incredibly unlikely that Sheila could have been responsible. Besides the evidence which is so clearly outlined in the thread on Sheila'S INNOCENCE , I have heard from a number of people who knew Sheila well and indeed from her early childhood, that this act would have been totally out of character. Her psychiatric history has been much distorted by people who ought to know better. People on the Blue Forum who claim to support the cause of fighting injustice !
The really terrible and disgusting injustice has been to defame the memory of Sheila and other victims of this evil crime. Patti who appears to be one of the few reasonable posters on Tesko's forum, seems to have expressed some doubts as to Sheila's responsibility whilst doggedly maintaining a belief in Bamber's innocence putting foward the " third party " argument , which really does not stand up to much scrutiny.
I have hopes for David, Patti and Grahame yet! 8(0(*
I have hopes for David, Patti and Grahame yet! 8(0(*
It looks like Mike Teskowski has accepted the inevitable. No more Ali Bongo or elusive meetings with Z while a helicopter hovers overhead? @)(++(*
Maybe he will go back to blowing bubbles over the Madeleine McCann case now that he has lost the Bamber case. 8(0(*
and Mr Tesko... he is not the slightest bit interested in Jeremy Bamber. His only motive is to try and bring discredit on the the police and the prison system, which have been the bane of his life, because he chose criminality as a career choice. All of his posts are written in the hope that he will persuade others that all 'coppers and screws' are b*stards and that he will, by some sheer fluke or legal technicality, unearth some great conspiracy that will expose the justice system and bring heads to roll. This would maybe enable him to take comfort in feeling that he 'got the b*stards back'. Well, guess what Mr Tesko, you are a criminal because you chose to be a criminal and you achieved little positive in your life because of it. It was the fault of nobody else but your own selfish desires for material gain at the expense of others. You gain as much sympathy as you deserve. Most of us have achieved in life because we've worked hard, have sound values and recognise what's important - and don't live our lives through an internet forum because we are consumed with hatred for the police.
Ooh er missus, where did that come from? @)(++(*
and Mr Tesko... he is not the slightest bit interested in Jeremy Bamber. His only motive is to try and bring discredit on the the police and the prison system, which have been the bane of his life, because he chose criminality as a career choice. All of his posts are written in the hope that he will persuade others that all 'coppers and screws' are b*stards and that he will, by some sheer fluke or legal technicality, unearth some great conspiracy that will expose the justice system and bring heads to roll. This would maybe enable him to take comfort in feeling that he 'got the b*stards back'. Well, guess what Mr Tesko, you are a criminal because you chose to be a criminal and you achieved little positive in your life because of it. It was the fault of nobody else but your own selfish desires for material gain at the expense of others. You gain as much sympathy as you deserve. Most of us have achieved in life because we've worked hard, have sound values and recognise what's important - and don't live our lives through an internet forum because we are consumed with hatred for the police.
Ooh er missus, where did that come from? @)(++(*
The whole debate surrounding JB seems to be going round and round in circles. Someone brave needs to pull the blinds down and either tell them it's time to call it quits or find something else to debate which is already being done anyway but even when I've read the other boards, trying to debate the subject is futile.
One of the posters is just about illiterate and spells how they speak (sometimes) and I get the jist that when they get a member who is vaguely intellegent they don't really like it which is a shame but they could always join here.
Awwwww folks I write with tears in my eyes at the Jeremy Bamber Fanclub's latest 'Christmas With Jeremy' video. The toast and jam bit had the tears dripping from my chin.
www.jeremybamber.blogspot.com
I should add the tears were of laughter!
8)><( 8)><(
Absolutely Centaur hun ...... pathetic is the word. Jeremy would be a rich man now eating all the Crimbo dinners he wanted if he hadn't murdered children in their sleep.Awwwww folks I write with tears in my eyes at the Jeremy Bamber Fanclub's latest 'Christmas With Jeremy' video. The toast and jam bit had the tears dripping from my chin.
www.jeremybamber.blogspot.com
I should add the tears were of laughter!
8)><( 8)><(
its quite pathetic isnt it??? the toast and jam routine is a bit lame by now dont you think tim?? @)(++(*
Awwwww folks I write with tears in my eyes at the Jeremy Bamber Fanclub's latest 'Christmas With Jeremy' video. The toast and jam bit had the tears dripping from my chin.
www.jeremybamber.blogspot.com
I should add the tears were of laughter!
8)><( 8)><(
Awwwww folks I write with tears in my eyes at the Jeremy Bamber Fanclub's latest 'Christmas With Jeremy' video. The toast and jam bit had the tears dripping from my chin.
www.jeremybamber.blogspot.com (http://www.jeremybamber.blogspot.com)
I should add the tears were of laughter!
8)><( 8)><(
UGH. The creepy, dead-eyed tw... He's lucky to get toast and jam, IMO.
And what a crappy video!! @)(++(*
Awwwww folks I write with tears in my eyes at the Jeremy Bamber Fanclub's latest 'Christmas With Jeremy' video. The toast and jam bit had the tears dripping from my chin.
www.jeremybamber.blogspot.com (http://www.jeremybamber.blogspot.com)
I should add the tears were of laughter!
8)><( 8)><(
UGH. The creepy, dead-eyed tw... He's lucky to get toast and jam, IMO.
And what a crappy video!! @)(++(*
Look what I had to eat when I forgot to order my Christmas dinner last year... Bamber should count himself lucky he got jam on it!
(http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/2295/mouldybreadfd002575.jpg)
Hysterical!
Oh well, only a few more christmases to go before he tops himself, with any luck.
Hysterical!
Oh well, only a few more christmases to go before he tops himself, with any luck.
A bit harsh although I suppose that if he had been locked up in some states in the US they might be just about getting round to giving him a Christmas present of the lethal injection now that he has exhausted every avenue of appeal against his conviction. Personally, I am strongly against the death penalty which I think just lowers the rest of society to the level of killers like Bamber. I hope, but am not too optimistic, that in 2013 Bamber and his supporters will face up to reality and that he will accept his guilt. He needs to have the guts to apologise to all those members of the family he has harmed and allow them some closure after all these years. Maybe, maybe that could open the door to some sort of closely supervised release after a period of rehabilitation but perhaps not before he reaches 60 years of age.
Hysterical!
Oh well, only a few more christmases to go before he tops himself, with any luck.
A bit harsh although I suppose that if he had been locked up in some states in the US they might be just about getting round to giving him a Christmas present of the lethal injection now that he has exhausted every avenue of appeal against his conviction. Personally, I am strongly against the death penalty which I think just lowers the rest of society to the level of killers like Bamber. I hope, but am not too optimistic, that in 2013 Bamber and his supporters will face up to reality and that he will accept his guilt. He needs to have the guts to apologise to all those members of the family he has harmed and allow them some closure after all these years. Maybe, maybe that could open the door to some sort of closely supervised release after a period of rehabilitation but perhaps not before he reaches 60 years of age.
Bamber should be given the option to top himself and donate his organs. A tiny glimmer of redemption.
Hysterical!
Oh well, only a few more christmases to go before he tops himself, with any luck.
A bit harsh although I suppose that if he had been locked up in some states in the US they might be just about getting round to giving him a Christmas present of the lethal injection now that he has exhausted every avenue of appeal against his conviction. Personally, I am strongly against the death penalty which I think just lowers the rest of society to the level of killers like Bamber. I hope, but am not too optimistic, that in 2013 Bamber and his supporters will face up to reality and that he will accept his guilt. He needs to have the guts to apologise to all those members of the family he has harmed and allow them some closure after all these years. Maybe, maybe that could open the door to some sort of closely supervised release after a period of rehabilitation but perhaps not before he reaches 60 years of age.
Bamber should be given the option to top himself and donate his organs. A tiny glimmer of redemption.
Would you accept donated organs from a child killer?
I wondered where my loaf had gone.
Can't they just take JB's organs now? He might as do some good out of all of this.
my answer to that would be a resounding no and not in any circumstances. there are just some things not worth compromising on.Hysterical!
Oh well, only a few more christmases to go before he tops himself, with any luck.
A bit harsh although I suppose that if he had been locked up in some states in the US they might be just about getting round to giving him a Christmas present of the lethal injection now that he has exhausted every avenue of appeal against his conviction. Personally, I am strongly against the death penalty which I think just lowers the rest of society to the level of killers like Bamber. I hope, but am not too optimistic, that in 2013 Bamber and his supporters will face up to reality and that he will accept his guilt. He needs to have the guts to apologise to all those members of the family he has harmed and allow them some closure after all these years. Maybe, maybe that could open the door to some sort of closely supervised release after a period of rehabilitation but perhaps not before he reaches 60 years of age.
Bamber should be given the option to top himself and donate his organs. A tiny glimmer of redemption.
Would you accept donated organs from a child killer?
my answer to that would be a resounding no and not in any circumstances. there are just some things not worth compromising on.Hysterical!
Oh well, only a few more christmases to go before he tops himself, with any luck.
A bit harsh although I suppose that if he had been locked up in some states in the US they might be just about getting round to giving him a Christmas present of the lethal injection now that he has exhausted every avenue of appeal against his conviction. Personally, I am strongly against the death penalty which I think just lowers the rest of society to the level of killers like Bamber. I hope, but am not too optimistic, that in 2013 Bamber and his supporters will face up to reality and that he will accept his guilt. He needs to have the guts to apologise to all those members of the family he has harmed and allow them some closure after all these years. Maybe, maybe that could open the door to some sort of closely supervised release after a period of rehabilitation but perhaps not before he reaches 60 years of age.
Bamber should be given the option to top himself and donate his organs. A tiny glimmer of redemption.
Would you accept donated organs from a child killer?
my answer to that would be a resounding no and not in any circumstances. there are just some things not worth compromising on.Hysterical!
Oh well, only a few more christmases to go before he tops himself, with any luck.
A bit harsh although I suppose that if he had been locked up in some states in the US they might be just about getting round to giving him a Christmas present of the lethal injection now that he has exhausted every avenue of appeal against his conviction. Personally, I am strongly against the death penalty which I think just lowers the rest of society to the level of killers like Bamber. I hope, but am not too optimistic, that in 2013 Bamber and his supporters will face up to reality and that he will accept his guilt. He needs to have the guts to apologise to all those members of the family he has harmed and allow them some closure after all these years. Maybe, maybe that could open the door to some sort of closely supervised release after a period of rehabilitation but perhaps not before he reaches 60 years of age.
Bamber should be given the option to top himself and donate his organs. A tiny glimmer of redemption.
Would you accept donated organs from a child killer?
Well, god forbid, if my life, or more importantly the life of someone I loved, depended on a transplanted organ, I wouldn't question the source. It's never going to be a brain, they can't do that. But if it's a kidney, or a liver, or a heart....f..king go for it. I would actually feel guilty if a pig had to sacrifice it's life for me, but not a dead-eyed b........ like Bamber.
And the blue forum is a disgrace. Shameful. A small group of lost people who get endless entertainment from the murder of two lovely boys. Bamber actually considered burning the farm down. He asked Sheila, for the first time ever, when she and the boys would be at the farm. And he made sure that a loaded gun would be left on the settle.
However you want to play this, Sheila didn't move after the first shot. Mike lied.
All you poor, sad f..kers, who think Bamber is the second coming.....justify how he ripped Ralph off. And broke
his heart.
He didnt do it to prove poor security or he would have paid it back. Greed.
Forget the silencer, forget the family, forget the police, forget Julie Mugford.
LOOK AT SHEILA, she is the strongest piece of evidence proving her own innocence.
All you poor, sad f..kers, who think Bamber is the second coming.....justify how he ripped Ralph off. And broke
his heart.
I wish it had never happened.
Forget the silencer, forget the family, forget the police, forget Julie Mugford.
LOOK AT SHEILA, she is the strongest piece of evidence proving her own innocence.
Brilliant post.
It sounds as though there will be a fourth attempt at applying to the CCRC for appeal, how long would that take?
It sounds as though there will be a fourth attempt at applying to the CCRC for appeal, how long would that take?
I don't see why. There isn't anything they could possibly do which will ever change the decision. The best they can ever hope for is joint enterprise which basically changes NOTHING. 8(0(*
It sounds as though there will be a fourth attempt at applying to the CCRC for appeal, how long would that take?
I don't see why. There isn't anything they could possibly do which will ever change the decision. The best they can ever hope for is joint enterprise which basically changes NOTHING. 8(0(*
Do you think there could have been a third party John?
I seem to remember the CCRC telling Bamber's defense team that they wanted to see everything that was possibly considered new evidence at the last failed application. Obviously inferring that this was make or break for Bamber (do or die ... in prison!).
That is why the CCRC bent over backwards to accommodate Bamber and his solicitors; allowing 3 extensions of deadlines I believe AND excepting submissions when they failed to meet the 'final' deadline. I don't think there can be any doubt that the CCRC decided this was definitely Bamber's last hurrah and they now consider this case done and dusted.
Does anyone else remember them saying they wanted to see all possible submissions?
I wish it had never happened.
What do you wish hadn't happened, Joanne?
I seem to remember the CCRC telling Bamber's defense team that they wanted to see everything that was possibly considered new evidence at the last failed application. Obviously inferring that this was make or break for Bamber (do or die ... in prison!).
That is why the CCRC bent over backwards to accommodate Bamber and his solicitors; allowing 3 extensions of deadlines I believe AND excepting submissions when they failed to meet the 'final' deadline. I don't think there can be any doubt that the CCRC decided this was definitely Bamber's last hurrah and they now consider this case done and dusted.
Does anyone else remember them saying they wanted to see all possible submissions?
I wish it had never happened.
What do you wish hadn't happened, Joanne?
Its not stopped the people it's meant to have and I can't see it stopping anytime soon, so thats how ever many hours of time I'm never going to get back.
I seem to remember the CCRC telling Bamber's defense team that they wanted to see everything that was possibly considered new evidence at the last failed application. Obviously inferring that this was make or break for Bamber (do or die ... in prison!).
That is why the CCRC bent over backwards to accommodate Bamber and his solicitors; allowing 3 extensions of deadlines I believe AND excepting submissions when they failed to meet the 'final' deadline. I don't think there can be any doubt that the CCRC decided this was definitely Bamber's last hurrah and they now consider this case done and dusted.
Does anyone else remember them saying they wanted to see all possible submissions?
Is the JR all done and dusted, finished with?
Well the CCRC have to agree to look at the case again. They've said that they've closed the case and made their final decision.
If the CCRC agree to look at the case again I'd imaigne a 2-3 year wait.
8-)(--) And there was me thinking this was all done and dusted....... @)(++(*