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Off Topic and General Discussions => Off topic, general discussions and the Wide Awake Club. => Topic started by: Mr Gray on January 27, 2018, 10:17:30 AM

Title: UK Justice System in turmoil over Crown failure to make disclosure.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 27, 2018, 10:17:30 AM
The whole of the uk justice system has not just learnt that they should not ignore evidence that does not fit it's narrative... That is, a basic concept

what I see is a continual criticism of the uk justice system and police simply because they do not fit the narrative of the sceptics...imo
Title: Re: UK Justice System in turmoil over Crown failure to make disclosure.
Post by: Robittybob1 on January 27, 2018, 10:29:15 AM
Quote from: Davel on January 27, 2018, 10:17:30 AM
The whole of the uk justice system has not just learnt that they should not ignore evidence that does not fit it's narrative... That is, a basic concept
well I don't know what is happening over there.
Title: Re: UK Justice System in turmoil over Crown failure to make disclosure.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 27, 2018, 10:31:01 AM
Quote from: Robittybob1 on January 27, 2018, 10:29:15 AM
well I don't know what is happening over there.

Thats why I asled slarti for a cite and not you
Title: Re: UK Justice System in turmoil over Crown failure to make disclosure.
Post by: slartibartfast on January 27, 2018, 11:55:40 AM
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/police-crown-prosecution-service-disclosure-lawyers-trial-a7846021.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/police-crown-prosecution-service-disclosure-lawyers-trial-a7846021.html)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42841346 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42841346)

https://news.sky.com/story/every-rape-case-to-be-urgently-reviewed-over-evidence-disclosure-11224122 (https://news.sky.com/story/every-rape-case-to-be-urgently-reviewed-over-evidence-disclosure-11224122)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42834667 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42834667)

http://www.2harecourt.com/training-and-knowledge/disclosure-failure-the-court-of-appeal-make-it-plain-that-compliance-with-cpr-is-critical/ (http://www.2harecourt.com/training-and-knowledge/disclosure-failure-the-court-of-appeal-make-it-plain-that-compliance-with-cpr-is-critical/)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42795058 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42795058)

To keep you going.
Title: Re: UK Justice System in turmoil over Crown failure to make disclosure.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 27, 2018, 12:00:47 PM
Quote from: slartibartfast on January 27, 2018, 11:55:40 AM
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/police-crown-prosecution-service-disclosure-lawyers-trial-a7846021.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/police-crown-prosecution-service-disclosure-lawyers-trial-a7846021.html)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42841346 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42841346)

https://news.sky.com/story/every-rape-case-to-be-urgently-reviewed-over-evidence-disclosure-11224122 (https://news.sky.com/story/every-rape-case-to-be-urgently-reviewed-over-evidence-disclosure-11224122)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42834667 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42834667)

http://www.2harecourt.com/training-and-knowledge/disclosure-failure-the-court-of-appeal-make-it-plain-that-compliance-with-cpr-is-critical/ (http://www.2harecourt.com/training-and-knowledge/disclosure-failure-the-court-of-appeal-make-it-plain-that-compliance-with-cpr-is-critical/)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42795058 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42795058)

To keep you going.

so you can provide a cite but didnt want to ....is non disclosure only a problem in the uk or is it that our system is so open these sort of things come to light
Title: Re: UK Justice System in turmoil over Crown failure to make disclosure.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 27, 2018, 12:51:28 PM


I notice they plan to review 'all live rape and serious sexual assault cases'

No plans for reviews of historic rape cases then....

Just last week Ms Saunders claimed that no one innocent is in prison due to disclosure failures....

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/rape-trials-collapse-no-innocent-people-jail-disclosure-failures-dpp-alison-saunders-police-a8166746.html
Title: Re: UK Justice System in turmoil over Crown failure to make disclosure.
Post by: Eleanor on January 27, 2018, 12:58:08 PM
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on January 27, 2018, 12:51:28 PM

I notice they plan to review 'all live rape and serious sexual assault cases'

No plans for reviews of historic rape cases then....

Just last week Ms Saunders claimed that no one innocent is in prison due to disclosure failures....

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/rape-trials-collapse-no-innocent-people-jail-disclosure-failures-dpp-alison-saunders-police-a8166746.html

Ms. Saunders is obviously talking out of the bottom of her backside.

I am horrified by the lack of interest in Social Media, where most of the evidence of innocence is to be found.

This Social Media has been available for at least ten years.  She should be sacked, if only for incompetence.
Title: Re: UK Justice System in turmoil over Crown failure to make disclosure.
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 27, 2018, 01:10:20 PM
Quote from: Eleanor on January 27, 2018, 12:58:08 PM
Ms. Saunders is obviously talking out of the bottom of her backside.

I am horrified by the lack of interest in Social Media, where most of the evidence of innocence is to be found.

This Social Media has been available for at least ten years.  She should be sacked, if only for incompetence.

I'm glad you said that, I was going to suggest she should be honoured with a P45.

I believe there has been a deliberate attempt to improve rape conviction rates through non disclosure.

The conviction rate is between 5% to 10%, I believe.
Title: Re: UK Justice System in turmoil over Crown failure to make disclosure.
Post by: slartibartfast on January 27, 2018, 04:30:57 PM
Quote from: Davel on January 27, 2018, 12:00:47 PM
so you can provide a cite but didnt want to ....is non disclosure only a problem in the uk or is it that our system is so open these sort of things come to light

We expect posters to be aware of major news stories.
Title: Re: UK Justice System in turmoil over Crown failure to make disclosure.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 27, 2018, 05:15:20 PM
Quote from: slartibartfast on January 27, 2018, 04:30:57 PM
We expect posters to be aware of major news stories.

I've been out.... I am aware and think I understand  it better than you... I will explain later
Title: Re: UK Justice System in turmoil over Crown failure to make disclosure.
Post by: Mr Gray on January 28, 2018, 12:24:10 PM
This is odd...has my explanation been removed
Title: Re: UK Justice System in turmoil over Crown failure to make disclosure.
Post by: Nicholas on November 01, 2018, 09:23:02 AM
Departing director of public prosecutions warns that huge amounts of online evidence are adding to strain and delaying investigations
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/crime-prosecutions-uk-police-cps-budget-cuts-criminal-justice-system-alison-saunders-a8605276.html
Title: Re: UK Justice System in turmoil over Crown failure to make disclosure.
Post by: Eleanor on November 07, 2018, 07:16:30 AM
Quote from: Stephanie on November 01, 2018, 09:23:02 AM
Departing director of public prosecutions warns that huge amounts of online evidence are adding to strain and delaying investigations
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/crime-prosecutions-uk-police-cps-budget-cuts-criminal-justice-system-alison-saunders-a8605276.html

Tough, if it proves Innocence.