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Alleged Miscarriages of Justice => Jeremy Bamber and the callous murder of his father, mother, sister and twin nephews. Case effectively CLOSED by CCRC on basis of NO APPEAL REFERRAL. => Topic started by: Holly Goodhead on February 03, 2018, 12:40:39 PM
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Conflicting accounts exist as to who saw 'movement' at the window from PS Bews and PC Myall (it was not JB). My view is that it was probably a trick of the mind rather than a trick of the light. In any event we will never know so it is pointless speculating and I can't see how it can assist JB at this late stage. A lawyer might say Rivlin should have made more of this at trial and maybe he could/should have done.
Conflicting accounts of lights going on and off can be accounted for by witness statements from the various police officers incorrectly identifying the rooms/windows so it appears lights were going on and off.
Noises from within WHF when raid team broke in can IMO be accounted for by Crispy who was found cowering under NB and June's bed and was subsequently placed in a wardrobe to prevent him disturbing soc.
Had SC taken her own life whilst the police were outside then it's unlikely they would have heard as a contact wound acts as a silencer in terms of sound.
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Do you believe Sheila had shot herself before the police & Bamber arrived outside WHF ?
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Do you believe Sheila had shot herself before the police & Bamber arrived outside WHF ?
Before or shortly afterwards.
PS Bews et al were only at WHF for a short time when they made the decision to move back so would not have heard SC take her own life as contact shots act as a natural suppressor.
In many cases, the body's absorption of the muzzle blast will act as a suppressor, trapping the propellant gases under the skin and muffling the sound of the shot.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contact_shot
I know the sash window was open but not wide open. Does the soc image show? I can't recall.
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Actually that's not correct I don't know the window was open as I wasn't there! I should be more careful what I write. According to PC Collins it was open about 3":
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=160.0;attach=6053
Do soc images show it open? I can't recall.
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Yes soc image shows the top sash dropped:
http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Whitehorse+farm+scene+of+crime+images&safe=strict&client=safari&hl=en-gb&prmd=ivns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj-1bD8qIrZAhXJBsAKHYDoCd0QsAQICw#mhpiv=15&spf=1517680665346
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Before or shortly afterwards.
PS Bews et al were only at WHF for a short time when they made the decision to move back so would not have heard SC take her own life as contact shots act as a natural suppressor.
In many cases, the body's absorption of the muzzle blast will act as a suppressor, trapping the propellant gases under the skin and muffling the sound of the shot.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contact_shot
I know the sash window was open but not wide open. Does the soc image show? I can't recall.
I agree. The OS, Mike, David & most supporters believe Sheila kept herself alive until just before or after the raid team entered WHF. This is a colossal 4 extra hours. They have never said why or what Sheila was doing.
This approach is taken to support the 'two bodies in the kitchen', 'trick of the light' & now the '6.09am 999 call' avenues.
The suggestion Sheila was alive while the police were outside of course makes Bamber innocent. So better to champion this.
The OS believe Sheila was alive in the kitchen when the raid team entered WHF. She then went upstairs and shot herself. Mike believes the same except that the police shot Sheila after she got upstairs.
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I agree. The OS, Mike, David & most supporters believe Sheila kept herself alive until just before or after the raid team entered WHF. This is a colossal 4 extra hours. They have never said why or what Sheila was doing.
This approach is taken to support the 'two bodies in the kitchen', 'trick of the light' & now the '6.09am 999 call' avenues.
The suggestion Sheila was alive while the police were outside of course makes Bamber innocent. So better to champion this.
The OS believe Sheila was alive in the kitchen when the raid team entered WHF. She then went upstairs and shot herself. Mike believes the same except that the police shot Sheila after she got upstairs.
Mike also believes that the earth is flat, and looks like a tit in his Bacofoil hat.
I notice that Dame Nelly Melba, who finances that forum, sits back and lets the madness happen. AND didn't intervene when Mike attacked and insulted Buddy who, apart from being one of the nicest people I've never met, has been a stalwart of the blue forum since almost day one.
*&^^&
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Mike also believes that the earth is flat, and looks like a tit in his Bacofoil hat.
I notice that Dame Nelly Melba, who finances that forum, sits back and lets the madness happen. AND didn't intervene when Mike attacked and insulted Buddy who, apart from being one of the nicest people I've never met, has been a stalwart of the blue forum since almost day one.
*&^^&
I believe it was Justice who Mike attacked.
Buddy does come up with a lot of crazy theories. Such as Bamber should have 'lobbed Julie overboard' & the relatives scrapped period blood from soaking wet underwear into a silencer.
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I believe it was Justice who Mike attacked.
Buddy does come up with a lot of crazy theories. Such as Bamber should have 'lobbed Julie overboard' & the relatives scrapped period blood from soaking wet underwear into a silencer.
Mike's another one who should get off his fat, lazy arse and do a day's work, instead of breaking into decent peoples' houses and filching their hard-earned stuff. He's a bloody disgrace. And Nelly's worse, for endorsing his lunacy.
Ugh. Bamber supporters. What a bunch of freaks. %56&
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Mike's another one who should get off his fat, lazy arse and do a day's work, instead of breaking into decent peoples' houses and filching their hard-earned stuff. He's a bloody disgrace. And Nelly's worse, for endorsing his lunacy.
Ugh. Bamber supporters. What a bunch of freaks. %56&
The good news for Jeremy is Nugs has strongly suggested that he is working outside of the forum to assist the 'Campaign for Freedom. Nugs being on board should now result in a 2018 release.
This news was given after I suggested Mike, David, Nugs & Lookout join forces away from the forum. A sort of 'crime fab four'.
Nugs said he won't provide the forum any updates on his current or future outside solo work.
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The good news for Jeremy is Nugs has strongly suggested that he is working outside of the forum to assist the 'Campaign for Freedom. Nugs being on board should now result in a 2018 release.
This news was given after I suggested Mike, David, Nugs & Lookout join forces away from the forum. A sort of 'crime fab four'.
Nugs said he won't provide the forum any updates on his current or future outside solo work.
JB has the 3 musketeers coming to his rescue: Nelly Red Belly (NRB) as defence counsel, moi as research asst, and David as boy Friday.
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I believe it was Justice who Mike attacked.
Buddy does come up with a lot of crazy theories. Such as Bamber should have 'lobbed Julie overboard' & the relatives scrapped period blood from soaking wet underwear into a silencer.
Mike did launch a foul-mouthed tirade on Buddy when he was challenged over denying the Holocaust.
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JB has the 3 musketeers coming to his rescue: Nelly Red Belly (NRB) as defence counsel, moi as research asst, and David as boy Friday.
The latest theories over the weekend are -
Julie knew about the kitchen window because she saw someone bang it closed from outside when visiting WHF.
The bike wasn't at Bamber's cottage on the massacre night.
The defence counsel claimed the police or relatives told Julie about the kitchen window (Source requests ignored).
Bamber has disputed 90% of the incriminating evidence against him, rather than 2%. (Source requests ignored).
Be careful what you wish for.
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The latest theories over the weekend are -
Julie knew about the kitchen window because she saw someone bang it closed from outside when visiting WHF.
The bike wasn't at Bamber's cottage on the massacre night.
The defence counsel claimed the police or relatives told Julie about the kitchen window (Source requests ignored).
Bamber has disputed 90% of the incriminating evidence against him, rather than 2%. (Source requests ignored).
Be careful what you wish for.
There are two main reasons imo this case has ended up the way it has ie a complete shambles:
- Lack of effective leadership
- Poor communication
If you consider anything that has a good track record of winning eg the military or world class athletes and sports teams they epitomise everything JB lacks. The OS says it all IMO: what's not factually wrong is irrelevant.
Consider the support other MoJ's have benefited from:
Stefan Kiszko - Mother who was just an ordinary woman who doggedly pursued justice for her son in a dignified manner and was savvy enough to source the right help by way of solicitor Campbell Malone).
Sally Clarke (Father former police officer, husband solicitor)
David Bain (Former All Black, Joe Karam)
Amanda Knox (Judges For Justice)
JB - useless lawyers, Mike Tesko, GDS and the CT who thought a bake-off and graveside reading were a good idea. I despair at the posters on Blue who claim to support JB.
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Mike did launch a foul-mouthed tirade on Buddy when he was challenged over denying the Holocaust.
I wrote the above last night whilst multi-tasking along with a glass of Erdinger! So just to be clear Mike denied the holocaust and Buddy challenged him only to be met by a foul-mouthed tirade.
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I wrote the above last night whilst multi-tasking along with a glass of Erdinger! So just to be clear Mike denied the holocaust and Buddy challenged him only to be met by a foul-mouthed tirade.
I've always managed to avoid any badness from Mike, suprises me but for some reason our paths have never crossed and any time I've spoken with him it's been quite cordial.
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I've always managed to avoid any badness from Mike, suprises me but for some reason our paths have never crossed and any time I've spoken with him it's been quite cordial.
Yes he seems to accept some disagreeing with others sending him into meltdown mode. I started writing that I couldn't recall him directing a foul-mouthed tirade at a female poster and then I recalled his rant at Bridget where prostitution and hanging were mentioned.
It would be interesting to know something about his background to understand why he is the way he is. I can't help thinking that Mike's perhaps a perfect example of why it might be a good idea to reintroduce national service.
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http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9098.msg429193.html#msg429193
Mike recently suggested a man called Jeff Blake committed the massacre.
This would have been after Bamber returned the bike back to WHF about a day after taking it, & after Julie saw someone bang the kitchen window shut from outside.
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http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9098.msg429193.html#msg429193
Mike recently suggested a man called Jeff Blake committed the massacre.
This would have been after Bamber returned the bike back to WHF about a day after taking it, & after Julie saw someone bang the kitchen window shut from outside.
I believe Mike met JB 1989 so nearly 3 decades on he has no coherent narrative and flits from one cranky theory to the next. I'm surprised the likes of Andrew Hunter and Ewan Smith entertained him but maybe they had no choice if he was appointed JB's MacKenzie man. A complete disaster for JB other than making available docs/forum but let's not forget it was largely down to Hartley documents were put into some sort of order and a system allowing retrieval and Abs with the photo thread. Perhaps it's a failing on my part and I need to be more tolerant.
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I believe Mike met JB 1989 so nearly 3 decades on he has no coherent narrative and flits from one cranky theory to the next. I'm surprised the likes of Andrew Hunter and Ewan Smith entertained him but maybe they had no choice if he was appointed JB's MacKenzie man. A complete disaster for JB other than making available docs/forum but let's not forget it was largely down to Hartley documents were put into some sort of order and a system allowing retrieval and Abs with the photo thread. Perhaps it's a failing on my part and I need to be more tolerant.
Now that Mike, Nugs & David are working outside on the case, Bamber should steam through a successful CCRC submission & then 3rd appeal. Maybe this year.
We will then belatedly see the evidence, work & photo's which Bill, Mike, Roch, David, Nugs & JackieD have withheld from the forum.
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Bamber now claims,
‘yes the first person to spot someone at the window was a policeman - he pointed it out to me and another policeman and all three of us watched them move in front of the window and then disappear. they were a silhouette back lit so we couldn’t positively identify who it was other than an adult person. in court the two policeman were not asked endlessly about this - they just answered in vague terms - shadows and unsure now etc
as for julie mugford - she wanted revenge primarily and I’m sure will...
https://mobile.twitter.com/PPLLondon/status/1220298458004951043
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Bamber now claims,
‘yes the first person to spot someone at the window was a policeman - he pointed it out to me and another policeman and all three of us watched them move in front of the window and then disappear. they were a silhouette back lit so we couldn’t positively identify who it was other than an adult person. in court the two policeman were not asked endlessly about this - they just answered in vague terms - shadows and unsure now etc
as for julie mugford - she wanted revenge primarily and I’m sure will...
https://mobile.twitter.com/PPLLondon/status/1220298458004951043
witnessed by Michelle Diskin’s Bates,
‘someone inside the house who had been seen pacing back and forth in front of an upstairs window seen carrying a firearm’
https://jeremybamber.blogspot.com/2016/08/justice-is-never-served-by-conviction.html
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I believe Mike met JB 1989 so nearly 3 decades on he has no coherent narrative and flits from one cranky theory to the next. I'm surprised the likes of Andrew Hunter and Ewan Smith entertained him but maybe they had no choice if he was appointed JB's MacKenzie man. A complete disaster for JB other than making available docs/forum but let's not forget it was largely down to Hartley documents were put into some sort of order and a system allowing retrieval and Abs with the photo thread. Perhaps it's a failing on my part and I need to be more tolerant.
Bamber’s association with Mike Tesco is extremely telling and if you were to put Bamber’s narratives side by side from then to now you’d see he too has flitted ‘from one cranky theory to the next’
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Bamber now claims,
‘yes the first person to spot someone at the window was a policeman - he pointed it out to me and another policeman and all three of us watched them move in front of the window and then disappear. they were a silhouette back lit so we couldn’t positively identify who it was other than an adult person. in court the two policeman were not asked endlessly about this - they just answered in vague terms - shadows and unsure now etc
as for julie mugford - she wanted revenge primarily and I’m sure will...
https://mobile.twitter.com/PPLLondon/status/1220298458004951043
Will be interesting to see how Bamber’s supporters react to ‘crime writer’ Gayle Curtis’ musings
https://www.belfastlive.co.uk/news/jeremy-bambers-revealing-letter-jail-17634522
Bamber writes (12th Dec 2014)
“It is never easy to figure out what it is that could be seen as the worst situation I’ve ever had to cope with. I think that the 7th August 1985 and having to support and care for my cousins Jacqueline and Anthony, my brother in law Colin and the others at my house, whilst having to cope with my own grief over the death of my mum and dad, Sheila the boys Daniel and Nicholas couple with that with grief for letting my dad down in not being able to come to his rescue and confusion over what on earth could have gone so terribly wrong
The effect of that day has been life changing as I’ve been tasked with defending my mum and dads reputation. So many people who have made out that they were so close to my mum and dad and loved them so much have spent 30 years doing everything possible to denigrate my mum and dads characters, doing so to false create a motive for them having been murdered. I have had to put the record straight about what my mum and dad were really like. I am proud to be their son and proud to be setting records straight about what lovely people they were
As to what has stayed with me, a sense of guilt of about what if. That moment at 04.00am when PC Bews, PC Myall and myself watched the silhouette of someone walking in front of the master bedroom window, the main light in the bedroom was on, the curtains completely open - when PC Bews ran back to the police car with PC Myall and myself running after him, why didn’t we run up to the back door and not towards the police car could we have broken in and saved someone or everyone. Why was I so compliant in the presence of police officers so that I did whatever they wanted?
Why was I such a let down and such a weak character when faced with things that morning? It’s left me feeling ashamed for letting my family down when they obviously needed me the most.
Though my life has been filled with trials and tribulations and no doubt there will be many more yet to come.
Have a great Christmas.
Jeremy
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Will be interesting to see how Bamber’s supporters react to ‘crime writer’ Gayle Curtis’ musings
https://www.belfastlive.co.uk/news/jeremy-bambers-revealing-letter-jail-17634522
‘Crime writer’ Gayle Curtis states,
“But if we think someone is innocent, we see what we want to see, if we believe someone is guilty, we see what we want to see, and this is no basis for a safe conviction.”
She seems to believe all those who have studied the Bamber case have applied her dichotomous thinking.
Her dichotomous language betrays her.
She goes on to state,
“And after studying his letter, Curtis has now called for Bamber’s case to be re-examined and judged on evidential standards before a modern day court.
“Now, in 2020 I wonder how much we’ve learned as I read and hear theories that are based on supposition instead of fact.
No idea what she sees as “supposition instead of fact” as she omits this but her motivations to speak out publicly at this time appear clear.
‘Studying’ one letter and calling for the case to be ‘re-examined’ on this basis strikes me as rather naive and baseless.
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Bamber’s association with Mike Tesco is extremely telling and if you were to put Bamber’s narratives side by side from then to now you’d see he too has flitted ‘from one cranky theory to the next’
I formed my opinions on the case by listening to the experts and those considered an expert at JB's trial.
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‘Crime writer’ Gayle Curtis states,
“But if we think someone is innocent, we see what we want to see, if we believe someone is guilty, we see what we want to see, and this is no basis for a safe conviction.”
She seems to believe all those who have studied the Bamber case have applied her dichotomous thinking.
Her dichotomous language betrays her.
She goes on to state,
“And after studying his letter, Curtis has now called for Bamber’s case to be re-examined and judged on evidential standards before a modern day court.
According to all testimony AP and JW were not at his house on 7th Aug.
I don't believe someone like JB could be incarcerated for so long and it not have a detrimental effect on his mental health. I say someone like JB as he's no Nelson Mandela or Terry Waite who appear to have emerged unscathed.
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According to all testimony AP and JW were not at his house on 7th Aug.
Do you mean their witness statements?
Where were AP and JW on the 7th?
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According to all testimony AP and JW were not at his house on 7th Aug.
Why then do you think Bamber’s written,
’I think that the 7th August 1985 and having to support and care for my cousins Jacqueline and Anthony,
Do you think he means something else?
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Do you mean their witness statements?
Where were AP and JW on the 7th?
Testimony from everyone who was at WHF on 7th Aug, incl JB, along with testimony from AP and JW.
I don't know where they were on 7th Aug probably at their respective homes/places of work.
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Why then do you think Bamber’s written,
’I think that the 7th August 1985 and having to support and care for my cousins Jacqueline and Anthony,
Do you think he means something else?
I'm not aware he even spoke with them on the phone on 7th Aug so I can only assume his mind has become scrambled by his long incarceration or its his attempt to show himself as selfless and caring to counter the Bamber beast narrative.
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I don't believe someone like JB could be incarcerated for so long and it not have a detrimental effect on his mental health.
But there’s no evidence anywhere to suggest Bamber has any mental health issues?
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But there’s no evidence anywhere to suggest Bamber has any mental health issues?
If during his 34 plus year incarceration he has suffered from anxiety, depression, stress and any other conditions how would we know unless he was forthcoming with such info? Even if he hasn't been inflicted with any such conditions spending nearly 34 years in a high security prison will by definition mean he behaves differently to the population at large who haven't been incarcerated for 34 years in a high security prison.
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If during his 34 plus year incarceration he has suffered from anxiety, depression, stress and any other conditions how would we know unless he was forthcoming with such info? Even if he hasn't been inflicted with any such conditions spending nearly 34 years in a high security prison will by definition mean he behaves differently to the population at large who haven't been incarcerated for 34 years in a high security prison.
I think he'll just be institutionalised.
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If during his 34 plus year incarceration he has suffered from anxiety, depression, stress and any other conditions how would we know unless he was forthcoming with such info?
Sounds like you’re suggesting he isn’t a ‘forthcoming’ type of bloke - you’d think after 34 years maintaining innocence he’d hide nothing to clear his name
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I think he'll just be institutionalised.
Yeah that's the word I was looking for.
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Sounds like you’re suggesting he isn’t a ‘forthcoming’ type of bloke - you’d think after 34 years maintaining innocence he’d hide nothing to clear his name
I've no idea about his character/personality. I can only go on his communication with the public and me personally and as far as his case goes I think he talks a load of rubbish.
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SC going about her normal business would not have had a need to venture into that part of the house at that time of the night. Bearing in mind PB was told by June that SC was off to bed.
I've no idea about his character/personality. I can only go on his communication with the public and me personally and as far as his case goes I think he talks a load of rubbish.
As someone who believes he's innocent evidence.
Can you explain your reasoning here
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Can you explain your reasoning here
I believe he's innocent based on my interpretation of the expert evidence and I think JB talks a load of rubbish about his case. It's not necessary to lap up all the rubbish he peddles about his case eg having alibis, a call from NB to EP and all the stuff he's clearly wrong about eg AP/JW at his cottage on 7th Aug.
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I've no idea about his character/personality. I can only go on his communication with the public and me personally and as far as his case goes I think he talks a load of rubbish.
Give him his dues though... he knows the difference between affect and effect.
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I believe he's innocent based on my interpretation of the expert evidence and I think JB talks a load of rubbish about his case. It's not necessary to lap up all the rubbish he peddles about his case eg having alibis, a call from NB to EP and all the stuff he's clearly wrong about eg AP/JW at his cottage on 7th Aug.
Well, what he says is also important but what he says isn't rubbish, it's excuses.
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I believe he's innocent based on my interpretation of the expert evidence and I think JB talks a load of rubbish about his case. It's not necessary to lap up all the rubbish he peddles about his case eg having alibis, a call from NB to EP and all the stuff he's clearly wrong about eg AP/JW at his cottage on 7th Aug.
Today on twitter re the Bamber case, forensic biologist Mark Webster stated;
‘A common misunderstanding of forensic science and criminal investigation; there is no evidence other than DNA!
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I'm not aware he even spoke with them on the phone on 7th Aug so I can only assume his mind has become scrambled by his long incarceration or its his attempt to show himself as selfless and caring to counter the Bamber beast narrative.
Or he’s being duplicitous
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Today on twitter re the Bamber case, forensic biologist Mark Webster stated;
‘A common misunderstanding of forensic science and criminal investigation; there is no evidence other than DNA!
https://twitter.com/forscicon?lang=en (https://twitter.com/forscicon?lang=en)
Before retirement...
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Give him his dues though... he knows the difference between affect and effect.
But I can spell rifle [rifel]. ?{)(**
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Well, what he says is also important but what he says isn't rubbish, it's excuses.
What about what he doesn't say? 8(0(*
I can't account for what you asked him and what you think he avoided replying to but as far as my communication with him goes and much of what I've seen in the public domain I do think he talks a lot of rubbish. Eg claims over years that his release is imminent; that AE/DB should be arrested; that he has a cast iron alibi; that NB wasn't shot upstairs; that AP/JW were at his cottage 7th Aug.
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Today on twitter re the Bamber case, forensic biologist Mark Webster stated;
‘A common misunderstanding of forensic science and criminal investigation; there is no evidence other than DNA!
In JB's case DNA evidence hadn't even been envisaged at the time evidence was collected and at trial.
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Or he’s being duplicitous
But why say AP/JW were at his cottage on 7th Aug when numerous others can testify to the contrary?
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What about what he doesn't say? 8(0(*
I can't account for what you asked him and what you think he avoided replying to but as far as my communication with him goes and much of what I've seen in the public domain I do think he talks a lot of rubbish. Eg claims over years that his release is imminent; that AE/DB should be arrested; that he has a cast iron alibi; that NB wasn't shot upstairs; that AP/JW were at his cottage 7th Aug.
Well, yes, it is interesting what he doesn't say. I agree with the rest of your post. He repeats those things over and over.
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But why say AP/JW were at his cottage on 7th Aug when numerous others can testify to the contrary?
Why indeed Holly.
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But I can spell rifle [rifel]. ?{)(**
put was replaced by set
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What about what he doesn't say? 8(0(*
What do you think he’s hiding?
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put was replaced by set
Think this refers to settle (furniture).
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But why say AP/JW were at his cottage on 7th Aug when numerous others can testify to the contrary?
Another freudian slip
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Think this refers to settle (furniture).
The news article, the journo quotes ‘set the record straight’ Bamber wrote ‘put the record straight’
Give him his dues though... he knows the difference between affect and effect.
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https://twitter.com/forscicon?lang=en (https://twitter.com/forscicon?lang=en)
Before retirement...
I can't find anything about the case he refers to. In any event I don't see how it could assist in JB's case given the issues with contamination.
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The news article, the journo quotes ‘set the record straight’ Bamber wrote ‘put the record straight’
Which article are you referring to?
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In JB's case DNA evidence hadn't even been envisaged at the time evidence was collected and at trial.
I believe he's innocent based on my interpretation of the expert evidence
So what ‘evidence’ are you basing your belief in his innocence on?
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What do you think he’s hiding?
I was just being facetious. As I think he's innocent I don't think he's hiding anything particularly sinister.
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Which article are you referring to?
The one further back in this thread - the one you’ve referred to re ‘cousins Jacqueline and Anthony’
Will be interesting to see how Bamber’s supporters react to ‘crime writer’ Gayle Curtis’ musings
https://www.belfastlive.co.uk/news/jeremy-bambers-revealing-letter-jail-17634522
Bamber writes (12th Dec 2014)
“It is never easy to figure out what it is that could be seen as the worst situation I’ve ever had to cope with. I think that the 7th August 1985 and having to support and care for my cousins Jacqueline and Anthony, my brother in law Colin and the others at my house, whilst having to cope with my own grief over the death of my mum and dad, Sheila the boys Daniel and Nicholas couple with that with grief for letting my dad down in not being able to come to his rescue and confusion over what on earth could have gone so terribly wrong
The effect of that day has been life changing as I’ve been tasked with defending my mum and dads reputation. So many people who have made out that they were so close to my mum and dad and loved them so much have spent 30 years doing everything possible to denigrate my mum and dads characters, doing so to false create a motive for them having been murdered. I have had to put the record straight about what my mum and dad were really like. I am proud to be their son and proud to be setting records straight about what lovely people they were
As to what has stayed with me, a sense of guilt of about what if. That moment at 04.00am when PC Bews, PC Myall and myself watched the silhouette of someone walking in front of the master bedroom window, the main light in the bedroom was on, the curtains completely open - when PC Bews ran back to the police car with PC Myall and myself running after him, why didn’t we run up to the back door and not towards the police car could we have broken in and saved someone or everyone. Why was I so compliant in the presence of police officers so that I did whatever they wanted?
Why was I such a let down and such a weak character when faced with things that morning? It’s left me feeling ashamed for letting my family down when they obviously needed me the most.
Though my life has been filled with trials and tribulations and no doubt there will be many more yet to come.
Have a great Christmas.
Jeremy
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I was just being facetious. As I think he's innocent I don't think he's hiding anything particularly sinister.
What about what he doesn't say? 8(0(*
I can't account for what you asked him and what you think he avoided replying to but as far as my communication with him goes and much of what I've seen in the public domain I do think he talks a lot of rubbish. Eg claims over years that his release is imminent; that AE/DB should be arrested; that he has a cast iron alibi; that NB wasn't shot upstairs; that AP/JW were at his cottage 7th Aug.
Is that what the winking emoji means on the end of ‘What about what he doesn’t say?’
Facetious means ‘treating serious issues with deliberately inappropriate humour
Wouldn’t a smiling or laughing emoji have been more appropriate?
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So what ‘evidence’ are you basing your belief in his innocence on?
Blood serology evidence, ballistics, soc reconstruction, trace evidence.
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Blood serology evidence, ballistics, soc reconstruction, trace evidence.
‘A common misunderstanding of forensic science and criminal investigation; there is no evidence other than DNA![/i]
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Is that what the winking emoji means on the end of ‘What about what he doesn’t say?’
Facetious means ‘treating serious issues with deliberately inappropriate humour
Wouldn’t a smiling or laughing emoji have been more appropriate?
Yes Caroline knows I think JB innocent so I was just being facetious.
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Yes Caroline knows I think JB innocent so I was just being facetious.
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I think he's saying there's other forensic evidence other than DNA?
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Hope you're all not missing my invaluable input too much?! I'm back to my spirutal home!
Can I tempt any of the regulars here with a secondment to the Bamber board? It would be good to see some different views? 8((()*/
You’ve been seeing ‘some different views’
Do you mean you need ‘some different views’ but the same as your own?
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Will be interesting to see how Bamber’s supporters react to ‘crime writer’ Gayle Curtis’ musings
https://www.belfastlive.co.uk/news/jeremy-bambers-revealing-letter-jail-17634522
Bamber writes (12th Dec 2014)
“It is never easy to figure out what it is that could be seen as the worst situation I’ve ever had to cope with. I think that the 7th August 1985 and having to support and care for my cousins Jacqueline and Anthony, my brother in law Colin and the others at my house, whilst having to cope with my own grief over the death of my mum and dad, Sheila the boys Daniel and Nicholas couple with that with grief for letting my dad down in not being able to come to his rescue and confusion over what on earth could have gone so terribly wrong
The effect of that day has been life changing as I’ve been tasked with defending my mum and dads reputation. So many people who have made out that they were so close to my mum and dad and loved them so much have spent 30 years doing everything possible to denigrate my mum and dads characters, doing so to false create a motive for them having been murdered. I have had to put the record straight about what my mum and dad were really like. I am proud to be their son and proud to be setting records straight about what lovely people they were
As to what has stayed with me, a sense of guilt of about what if. That moment at 04.00am when PC Bews, PC Myall and myself watched the silhouette of someone walking in front of the master bedroom window, the main light in the bedroom was on, the curtains completely open - when PC Bews ran back to the police car with PC Myall and myself running after him, why didn’t we run up to the back door and not towards the police car could we have broken in and saved someone or everyone. Why was I so compliant in the presence of police officers so that I did whatever they wanted?
Why was I such a let down and such a weak character when faced with things that morning? It’s left me feeling ashamed for letting my family down when they obviously needed me the most.
Though my life has been filled with trials and tribulations and no doubt there will be many more yet to come.
Have a great Christmas.
Jeremy
Have been informed crime writer Gayle Curtis is ‘not supporting’ Bamber