Alleged Miscarriages of Justice => Jeremy Bamber and the callous murder of his father, mother, sister and twin nephews. Case effectively CLOSED by CCRC on basis of NO APPEAL REFERRAL. => Topic started by: Holly Goodhead on March 30, 2018, 12:50:03 PM
Title: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Holly Goodhead on March 30, 2018, 12:50:03 PM
Holly you are doing the work of scientific rationalists everywhere, and it is thankless. This is a maudlin recitation of a hoax that Essex police and the relatives put together. I am sorry you're in this jelly fight, but implore you to persevere.
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Nicholas on March 31, 2018, 11:04:58 AM
I wonder if JackieD(elicious)Preece had a helping hand in this? She seemed to have some ideas about a tv prog.
Highly unlikely imho
Mrksa believes the motivations of the story and what it says about the Britain of the time will make for gripping TV if it gets green lit.
He told RadioTimes.com: “There’s a strong procedural line running through it but it’s really more about the characters. I think there’s a complex story there of the pressures and resentments and dysfunction of families
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Nicholas on March 31, 2018, 11:11:26 AM
I imagine the prison will put Bamber on suicide watch (ACCT) during the airing if it gets the green light
I expect it will help solidify Bambers guilt but he'll no doubt relish the attention. Of course it won't do him any favours with his fellow inmates. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1463264/Killer-Bamber-has-throat-slit-in-jail-attack.html
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Caroline on March 31, 2018, 12:22:24 PM
I wonder if JackieD(elicious)Preece had a helping hand in this? She seemed to have some ideas about a tv prog.
Doubt it, Jackie was talking about something that would investigate Julie Mugford and was very much from an innocent perspective. The article makes it clear that this drama will be based on him as the killer.
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Holly Goodhead on March 31, 2018, 02:37:53 PM
Doubt it, Jackie was talking about something that would investigate Julie Mugford and was very much from an innocent perspective. The article makes it clear that this drama will be based on him as the killer.[/color=red]
That's not the way I read it?.
The Sun article states:
"The programme could reopen the debate about Bamber's guilt"
But this might just be the Sun's interpretation.
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Nicholas on May 07, 2018, 12:10:36 AM
"Mention the name Jeremy Bamber and anyone with memories of the 1980s will almost certainly recall the man convicted of murdering his adoptive parents, adoptive sister and her twin six-year-old sons in a remote Essex farmhouse.
And now RadioTimes.com can reveal that the tragic story is being turned into an ITV drama.
The channel is developing a six-part series provisionally called The White House Farm Murders.
It’s being written by talented Australian writer Kris Mrksa, the man behind the recent creepy BBC1 thriller Requiem.
The story will recount events around the bloody carnage of the night of 6 to 7 August 1985 when Nevill and June Bamber were shot and killed inside their farmhouse, along with their adoptive daughter, Sheila Caffell, and Sheila’s six-year-old twin sons, Daniel and Nicholas Caffell.
The police initially believed that Sheila Cafell committed the murders but Bamber was eventually arrested.
At his trial, the prosecution argued that, motivated by a large inheritance, Bamber had shot the family with his father’s semi-automatic rifle, then placed the gun in his unstable sister’s hands to make it look like a murder–suicide.
Bamber was convicted of five counts of murder in October 1986 and was sentenced to a minimum of 25 years. He was told in 1994 that he would never be released, a judgement that has since been upheld on appeal.
Bamber still denies his involvement in the crimes.
Mrksa believes the motivations of the story and what it says about the Britain of the time will make for gripping TV if it gets green lit.
He told RadioTimes.com: “There’s a strong procedural line running through it but it’s really more about the characters. I think there’s a complex story there of the pressures and resentments and dysfunction of families.”
If it goes ahead, the programme would join a roster of dramas from ITV based on real life events.
These include dramas which have aired including Little Boy Blue about the murder of Rhys Jones and an in-production story of the detective who hunted for the killer Levi Bellfield whose victims included Surrey schoolgirl Milly Dowler. Martin Clunes is playing DCI Colin Sutton, the investigating officer, in the drama.
An ITV spokeswoman said: “We can confirm a drama series entitled The White House Farm Murders is being developed for ITV.” http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2018-03-29/itv-is-developing-a-series-based-on-the-jeremy-bamber-murder-case/
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: puglove on May 07, 2018, 12:23:12 AM
Bamber supporters think that he's the only one maintaining innocence. Not true. They all do. Basically, no one wants to live in a concrete hole, shit in a tin pot, and pretend that they didn't kill children. No one wants to be the lowest of the low. But there will always be Bamber, Huntley, Bridger, West, Sutcliffe, Brady. Hindley.
s..m.
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: puglove on May 07, 2018, 01:08:04 AM
One more message to lookout, before I feed my baby hedgehog.
Prisons are full of killers, who lie. You need to wise up. You daft old boiler.
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Nicholas on May 07, 2018, 11:17:36 AM
"Mention the name Jeremy Bamber and anyone with memories of the 1980s will almost certainly recall the man convicted of murdering his adoptive parents, adoptive sister and her twin six-year-old sons in a remote Essex farmhouse.
And now RadioTimes.com can reveal that the tragic story is being turned into an ITV drama.
The channel is developing a six-part series provisionally called The White House Farm Murders.
It’s being written by talented Australian writer Kris Mrksa, the man behind the recent creepy BBC1 thriller Requiem.
The story will recount events around the bloody carnage of the night of 6 to 7 August 1985 when Nevill and June Bamber were shot and killed inside their farmhouse, along with their adoptive daughter, Sheila Caffell, and Sheila’s six-year-old twin sons, Daniel and Nicholas Caffell.
The police initially believed that Sheila Cafell committed the murders but Bamber was eventually arrested.
At his trial, the prosecution argued that, motivated by a large inheritance, Bamber had shot the family with his father’s semi-automatic rifle, then placed the gun in his unstable sister’s hands to make it look like a murder–suicide.
Bamber was convicted of five counts of murder in October 1986 and was sentenced to a minimum of 25 years. He was told in 1994 that he would never be released, a judgement that has since been upheld on appeal.
Bamber still denies his involvement in the crimes.
Mrksa believes the motivations of the story and what it says about the Britain of the time will make for gripping TV if it gets green lit.
He told RadioTimes.com: “There’s a strong procedural line running through it but it’s really more about the characters. I think there’s a complex story there of the pressures and resentments and dysfunction of families.”
If it goes ahead, the programme would join a roster of dramas from ITV based on real life events.
These include dramas which have aired including Little Boy Blue about the murder of Rhys Jones and an in-production story of the detective who hunted for the killer Levi Bellfield whose victims included Surrey schoolgirl Milly Dowler. Martin Clunes is playing DCI Colin Sutton, the investigating officer, in the drama.
An ITV spokeswoman said: “We can confirm a drama series entitled The White House Farm Murders is being developed for ITV.” http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2018-03-29/itv-is-developing-a-series-based-on-the-jeremy-bamber-murder-case/
Will be interesting to see how they portray Bamber the psychopath
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Real justice on May 07, 2018, 06:29:37 PM
Bamber supporters think that he's the only one maintaining innocence. Not true. They all do. Basically, no one wants to live in a concrete hole, shit in a tin pot, and pretend that they didn't kill children. No one wants to be the lowest of the low. But there will always be Bamber, Huntley, Bridger, West, Sutcliffe, Brady. Hindley.
s..m.
As the saying goes, “they all shit in the same pot”
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Alice on May 07, 2018, 08:04:59 PM
Regarding the ITV series I have to say I am not hopeful that it will be in any way enlightening. In my opinion Requiem left a lot to be desired in terms of plot holes and unsustained flights of fancy. If that sort of flimsy gets painted onto the Bamber story I feel it may just convince a whole new bunch of numpties that he might be innocent!
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: APRIL on May 07, 2018, 08:15:29 PM
Regarding the ITV series I have to say I am not hopeful that it will be in any way enlightening. In my opinion Requiem left a lot to be desired in terms of plot holes and unsustained flights of fancy. If that sort of flimsy gets painted onto the Bamber story I feel it may just convince a whole new bunch of numpties that he might be innocent!
Alice, I've yet to see ITV do anything BBC couldn't have done better.........but of course, that's just MY opinion.
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Alice on May 07, 2018, 08:18:48 PM
Requiem was BBC but u could have taken it for ITV on a bad day! It was not the usual BBC quality I thought
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: adam on May 07, 2018, 08:20:53 PM
Regarding the ITV series I have to say I am not hopeful that it will be in any way enlightening. In my opinion Requiem left a lot to be desired in terms of plot holes and unsustained flights of fancy. If that sort of flimsy gets painted onto the Bamber story I feel it may just convince a whole new bunch of numpties that he might be innocent!
That is right.
A 6 part series will be padded out as a 'who done it' rather than focusing on the evidence that convicted Bamber. That will create publicity & increase viewers.
More David's & Nigel's will join the Blue forum.
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Alice on May 07, 2018, 08:58:28 PM
A bad move all round just to bump up viewing figures. I cant imagine poor Colin Caffell will welcome this or any of the relations in Tolleshunt.
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Nicholas on May 07, 2018, 09:54:24 PM
A 6 part series will be padded out as a 'who done it' rather than focusing on the evidence that convicted Bamber. That will create publicity & increase viewers.
More David's & Nigel's will join the Blue forum.
Adam do you think Mike/Nigel's forum will still be online by the time the drama series is aired?
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: adam on May 07, 2018, 10:22:35 PM
Adam do you think Mike/Nigel's forum will still be online by the time the drama series is aired?
I do. Can't see why it would be taken down.
The 'Crimes that shook Britain' got a lot of people interested in the case & supporting Bamber. A 6 parter suggesting Sheila may have been the killer will do the same.
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Caroline on May 08, 2018, 12:47:40 AM
The 'Crimes that shook Britain' got a lot of people interested in the case & supporting Bamber. A 6 parter suggesting Sheila may have been the killer will do the same.
I didn't see any mention of it being centered on Sheila as the killer?
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Alice on May 08, 2018, 07:27:43 AM
I dont think they will reveal what their slant is but if it is anything like that Requiem rubbish it will be full of weird unanswered questions and a full on dose of the supernatural.
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: APRIL on May 08, 2018, 07:46:57 AM
I dont think they will reveal what their slant is but if it is anything like that Requiem rubbish it will be full of weird unanswered questions and a full on dose of the supernatural.
The supernatural has already been introduced featuring esoteric symbols/numbers and Sheila's claims of being a white witch.
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Nicholas on May 08, 2018, 09:15:11 AM
I didn't see any mention of it being centered on Sheila as the killer?
It didn't. Do you believe a 6 part drama will just focus on Bamber as the killer ?
It will cover both possibilities to make the drama more entertaining for the viewers. This will result in people thinking Bamber may be innocent. Just as you did after watching the 'Crimes that shook Britain' documentary.
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Nicholas on May 08, 2018, 09:28:56 AM
It didn't. Do you believe a 6 part drama will just focus on Bamber as the killer ?
It will cover both possibilities to make the drama more entertaining for the viewers. This will result in people thinking Bamber may be innocent. Just as you did after watching the 'Crimes that shook Britain' documentary.
Do you not think it will also focus on his "groupies?"
https://www.cameronsmanagement.com.au/kris-mrska/
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: adam on May 08, 2018, 09:43:02 AM
Do you not think it will also focus on his "groupies?"
https://www.cameronsmanagement.com.au/kris-mrska/
Six hour long episodes could be -
Childhood & build up to 7th August 1985. For both Bamber & Sheila.
Massacre reconstruction for both Bamber & Sheila. The aftermath over the next 24 hours.
The next month leading up to Bamber's arrest. The police changing direction.
Work of defence & prosecution lawyers over the next 12 months.
Trial.
Bambers 'Campaign for Freedom' over the next 30+ years.
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Throughout the 6 parts, Bamber is protesting his innocence. The first 2 episodes suggest it could have been Sheila & has the police saying it was Sheila. So people unfamilar with the case will start thinking Bamber may be innocent.
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: adam on May 08, 2018, 11:34:36 AM
A 6 part ITV drama is a no lose situation for Bamber -
It won't make current supporters change their mind.
It won't make current guilters change their mind.
It will be watched by millions which is huge publicity for Bamber.
Out of the millions watching, some newbies will join the 'Campaign for Freedom'.
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Alice on May 08, 2018, 12:17:30 PM
It didn't. Do you believe a 6 part drama will just focus on Bamber as the killer ?
It will cover both possibilities to make the drama more entertaining for the viewers. This will result in people thinking Bamber may be innocent. Just as you did after watching the 'Crimes that shook Britain' documentary.
I don't think it will cover both possibilities - the description makes it clear that Bamber will be seen as the killer but that it will look at the complex relationships within the family.
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 23, 2018, 10:43:23 AM
Mass killer Jeremy Bamber, convicted of murdering five members of his family 32 years ago, will be portrayed by Freddie Fox in a six-part television drama about the massacre.
Fox, 29, brilliant as an aristocrat in Oscar Wilde’s An Ideal Husband at the Vaudeville Theatre, which has just a couple of weeks left to run, has signed on to portray the narcissistic psychopath.
The ITV series, using a screenplay by Kris Mrksa, who wrote the spooky BBC1 Requiem series, is based, in part, on a published investigation of the murders by author Carol Ann Lee.
Filming starts later next month, and it’s clear to see why the story of what happened at White House Farm is likely to make compelling viewing.
Originally, police suspicion had fallen on Ms Caffell, a schizophrenic who had taken herself off her medication. One early theory was that it could be a case of murder-suicide.
However, some of the more astute officers on the murder squad felt a number of things didn’t add up — and a few were suspicious of Bamber the moment they set eyes on him.
There were inconsistencies that troubled the police. And then came a bombshell: Bamber’s former girlfriend Julie Mugford told police that he had spoken about killing his family and claiming a lucrative inheritance.
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Alice on June 23, 2018, 11:26:40 AM
'Requiem' was the biggest lot of convoluted nonsensical confusion I've watched in a long time, so combine that with a 'vaudeville' actor and you might have something more laughable that conclusive or even factual?
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Nicholas on June 23, 2018, 12:29:17 PM
'Requiem' was the biggest lot of convoluted nonsensical confusion I've watched in a long time, so combine that with a 'vaudeville' actor and you might have something more laughable that conclusive or even factual?
Am keeping an open mind. The fact it's been stated Bamber will be portrayed as the narcissistic psychopath he is, means it could wrap up his public campaign once and for all? Though there aren't many people left who believe him to be innocent.
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Caroline on June 23, 2018, 01:10:32 PM
Am keeping an open mind. The fact it's been stated Bamber will be portrayed as the narcissistic psychopath he is, means it could wrap up his public campaign once and for all? Though there aren't many people left who believe him to be innocent.
Hope it's more accurate than the article that states "Originally, police suspicion had fallen on Ms Caffell, a schizophrenic who had taken herself off her medication. One early theory was that it could be a case of murder-suicide.
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: adam on June 23, 2018, 01:30:24 PM
The documentaries often have inaccurracies. The latest 'Countdown to Murder' had the kitchen fight before any shots had been fired.
A 6 part drama could have hundreds of deliberate or accidential discrepancies. It's a drama, not a documentary.
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: adam on June 23, 2018, 01:47:42 PM
The latest article says -
'The drama’s creative and production team are debating what they will (and won’t) show of the brutal killings'.
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There was a Youtube documentary which had quite a brutal reconstruction. Showing Bamber shooting Nevill, June & Sheila. It then portrayed Bamber as negating Nevill in the kitchen with one blow. Which was wrong.
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: APRIL on June 23, 2018, 02:54:05 PM
'Requiem' was the biggest lot of convoluted nonsensical confusion I've watched in a long time, so combine that with a 'vaudeville' actor and you might have something more laughable that conclusive or even factual?
A " 'vaudeville' " actor who, curiously, does bear a passing resemblance to the person he's about to play. Curiously, too, because the family from whom he's descended is said to have links to The Family who one of their number is famous for having once played....................the same Family that, it's been erroneously suggested, Jeremy is descended from. Curiouser and curiouser.
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Myster on June 23, 2018, 06:21:38 PM
A " 'vaudeville' " actor who, curiously, does bear a passing resemblance to the person he's about to play. Curiously, too, because the family from whom he's descended is said to have links to The Family who one of their number is famous for having once played....................the same Family that, it's been erroneously suggested, Jeremy is descended from. Curiouser and curiouser.
Foxy won't require any prostheses or much make-up either...
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Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: APRIL on June 23, 2018, 06:34:16 PM
Foxy won't require any prostheses or much make-up either...
Interesting likeness, isn't it? There's also to be remembered that Jeremy was, naturally, much fairer than pictures suggest, He was dark because it was coloured.
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Myster on June 23, 2018, 06:38:35 PM
If it works why fix it... with yet another drama-doc. This 1993 version featuring Neil Roberts as Jeremy Bamber and Diane Keen as Miss Marple was perfectly adequate although now deleted from YouTube...
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: adam on June 24, 2018, 09:35:23 PM
They have not even started filming it yet, but it's already getting in the newspapers & ITV news.
This is a dream for Bamber as he's in a situation where any publicity is better than no publicity. This is also all free publicity. The CT are going to go into overdrive over the next few months
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: John on June 25, 2018, 11:03:03 AM
They have not even started filming it yet, but it's already getting in the newspapers & ITV news.
This is a dream for Bamber as he's in a situation where any publicity is better than no publicity. This is also all free publicity. The CT are going to go into overdrive over the next few months
Let's hope they get the facts right as this is after all a real life ongoing case.
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: puglove on June 25, 2018, 05:10:50 PM
They have not even started filming it yet, but it's already getting in the newspapers & ITV news.
This is a dream for Bamber as he's in a situation where any publicity is better than no publicity. This is also all free publicity. The CT are going to go into overdrive over the next few months
If this series happens, it will be an absolute disaster for Bamber.
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2018, 10:48:56 AM
Page 44 today's Daily Mail:
Cressida's big break as tragic model Bambi
Cressida Bonas, former girlfriend of Prince Harry, is to play SC. I wonder if she realises JB's birth father pinned the Royal announcement of Harry's birth to the gates of Buck palace.
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Holly Goodhead on June 29, 2018, 10:52:41 AM
CC is to be played by Mark Stanley.
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Myster on June 29, 2018, 05:12:25 PM
Cressida Bonas, former girlfriend of Prince Harry, is to play SC. I wonder if she realises JB's birth father pinned the Royal announcement of Harry's birth to the gates of Buck palace.
Sounds like a skimpy salad dish that a hipster would order in a posh eatery... or an old Toyota with bonus fifth gear and metallic paint.
There was immense speculation when Winterbottom made the Knox movie, and he delivered all right. Showing that Foxy was stone innocent. This new cinematic endeavour will shock you.
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Alice on July 05, 2018, 12:22:29 PM
It's just TV hype, and if its as bad as Requiem then the only thing that will shock me will be the realisation that I've wasted hours watching drivel. It certainly wont shake my assertion that Bamber is 100& guilty and rightly imprisoned for brutal murder.
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Caroline on July 05, 2018, 01:35:41 PM
There was immense speculation when Winterbottom made the Knox movie, and he delivered all right. Showing that Foxy was stone innocent. This new cinematic endeavour will shock you red.
As it's about him being GUILTY it's you who will be suffering from shock!
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Samson on July 05, 2018, 01:43:27 PM
Eh? That's like saying they should tell anyone the ship sinks in Titantic!
There is a chance for glory here if the film makers tell the truth that Holly assures us will emerge later this year. This is an important opportunity to explain how lies and greed can get one man caged and his vengeful relatives get his money.
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Caroline on July 05, 2018, 11:36:55 PM
There is a chance for glory here if the film makers tell the truth that Holly assures us will emerge later this year. This is an important opportunity to explain how lies and greed can get one man caged and his vengeful relatives get his money.
They aren't interested in glory, just telling the story of what happened and they clearly don't think he's innocent.
It was lies and greed that had him caged - his own.
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Myster on July 06, 2018, 05:11:26 AM
There is a chance for glory here if the film makers tell the truth that Holly assures us will emerge later this year. This is an important opportunity to explain how lies and greed can get one man caged and his vengeful relatives get his money.
Holly has assured us many times over the years that JB would be released by Christmas, but every time he's had to swallow soggy sprouts instead, other than one year when he had to suffer the indignity of dry toast and runny jam... poor soul. I might start to believe her wishful though highly inaccurate predictions if she said that New Zealand will one day win the World Cup.
The lies and greed emanated from the guilty one who murdered his family, such a shame that you can't see that.
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 06, 2018, 09:31:49 AM
Holly has assured us many times over the years that JB would be released by Christmas, but every time he's had to swallow soggy sprouts instead, other than one year when he had to suffer the indignity of dry toast and runny jam... poor soul. I might start to believe her wishful though highly inaccurate predictions if she said that New Zealand will one day win the World Cup.
The lies and greed emanated from the guilty one who murdered his family, such a shame that you can't see that.
I maintain JB's conviction will be quashed but I don't recall putting a time frame on it? That tends to come from JB/CT.
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 06, 2018, 12:38:41 PM
Holly has assured us many times over the years that JB would be released by Christmas, but every time he's had to swallow soggy sprouts instead, other than one year when he had to suffer the indignity of dry toast and runny jam... poor soul. I might start to believe her wishful though highly inaccurate predictions if she said that New Zealand will one day win the World Cup.
The lies and greed emanated from the guilty one who murdered his family, such a shame that you can't see that.
It doesn't matter what I can see, but watching Lee' interview for the series, I note this.
She quotes as most telling the disbelief that Sheila had the energy to kill. Interesting, because Charlie posted something you are welcome to refute, where no energy was required, except holding a light weapon.
"Yes, blunt force trauma sufficient to cause a skull fracture would be obvious, and bullets in the skull do cause fractures.
Besides which, it's not as though Vanezis dug up the body and found something he had missed. He was elaborating on his original findings, supposedly. So did he forget to mention it in his first report? I don't think so. Look how he worded it:
"In my view none of the fractures to the skull were associated with gunshot injuries. The bruising to both eyes in my view could not be associated solely with fractures to the skull but in my view could have also been caused by blows by a blunt object or objects in the vicinity of both eyes."
What does that even mean? Compare with what he said in his first report:
"The track of the above two wounds [i.e., from the bullets in the skull] was through the temporal bone causing two punctured holes in the skull with associated linear fractures radiating to the top of the skull in the frontal bone as far as the saggital suture as well as across the right orbital plate and frontal bone. The track of both wounds continued through the brain causing disruptive injury principally to both temporal lobes, right parietal lobe and midbrain structures. One of the bullets then caused everted fractures to the left parietal bone with the bullet imbedded in the fracture site. The other bullet had exited just behind the left ear causing a fracture to the temporal bone and a small exit laceration."
Emphasis is mine. It's a good deal more clear and precise, don't you think? The bullets caused the skull fractures."
The overriding take is that Lee relies on this to subvert the public to a false belief, that there was combat. No, the crime scene evidence shows three victims shot in their beds, one victim disabled by shots to mouth and shoulder and arm, then a reloaded gun finishing this victim off. Add in that she was in bed by 9pm, was found with undigested food in her stomach showing she got up in the night, her bloody underwear in a bucket, a tampon applicator in the living room and an inserted tampon in her corpse, there is your movie. Are ITV so thick they will ignore all this? I am making damn sure that if they make fools of themselves they will be exposed by the rationalists.
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Samson on July 07, 2018, 04:29:32 AM
From the clip, Carol Anne Lee says the following:
"When I interviewed her psychiatrist, he said it was drug induced Parkinsonism, and Sheila's best friend also told me, that the last time she'd seen Sheila which was just a week before the murders, she couldn't get up from the sofa without help and she said when I heard about the murders and I found out that they said Sheila was the guilty party, she said I just knew it wasn't possible."
No warning bells here about Lee's conclusions? This is confirmation bias, but the impassioned delivery in the interview speaks of certainty. The opposite of course is shown at the crime scene with Sheila in the kitchen for food and attending to that pesky period. I don't imagine anyone carried her downstairs from bed for this nocturnal escapade.
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Caroline on July 07, 2018, 10:41:12 AM
"When I interviewed her psychiatrist, he said it was drug induced Parkinsonism, and Sheila's best friend also told me, that the last time she'd seen Sheila which was just a week before the murders, she couldn't get up from the sofa without help and she said when I heard about the murders and I found out that they said Sheila was the guilty party, she said I just knew it wasn't possible."
No warning bells here about Lee's conclusions? This is confirmation bias, but the impassioned delivery in the interview speaks of certainty. The opposite of course is shown at the crime scene with Sheila in the kitchen for food and attending to that pesky period. I don't imagine anyone carried her downstairs from bed for this nocturnal escapade.
In order to counteract the affects of haloperidol, she was given other drungs and had the halp reduced. If anyone should be hearing warning bells, it's you!
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: John on July 07, 2018, 01:25:45 PM
Will be interesting to see if they bring Jeremy's New Zealand pal into the equation *%87
The troubling thing tho is if they attempt to base the documentary on CAL's book then it will come up short. Her apparent ignorance of many matters including the means by which Jeremy Bamber used to gain access to an otherwise secure farmhouse is hard to square with her pre launch claim of a definitive account. The sequence in which the twins were murdered will also create a problem as that remains undetermined as does the method he used to get to the farmhouse from Goldhanger.
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Myster on July 08, 2018, 08:20:46 AM
It doesn't matter what I can see, but watching Lee' interview for the series, I note this.
She quotes as most telling the disbelief that Sheila had the energy to kill. Interesting, because Charlie posted something you are welcome to refute, where no energy was required, except holding a light weapon.
"Yes, blunt force trauma sufficient to cause a skull fracture would be obvious, and bullets in the skull do cause fractures.
Besides which, it's not as though Vanezis dug up the body and found something he had missed. He was elaborating on his original findings, supposedly. So did he forget to mention it in his first report? I don't think so. Look how he worded it:
"In my view none of the fractures to the skull were associated with gunshot injuries. The bruising to both eyes in my view could not be associated solely with fractures to the skull but in my view could have also been caused by blows by a blunt object or objects in the vicinity of both eyes."
What does that even mean? Compare with what he said in his first report:
"The track of the above two wounds [i.e., from the bullets in the skull] was through the temporal bone causing two punctured holes in the skull with associated linear fractures radiating to the top of the skull in the frontal bone as far as the saggital suture as well as across the right orbital plate and frontal bone. The track of both wounds continued through the brain causing disruptive injury principally to both temporal lobes, right parietal lobe and midbrain structures. One of the bullets then caused everted fractures to the left parietal bone with the bullet imbedded in the fracture site. The other bullet had exited just behind the left ear causing a fracture to the temporal bone and a small exit laceration."
Emphasis is mine. It's a good deal more clear and precise, don't you think? The bullets caused the skull fractures."
The overriding take is that Lee relies on this to subvert the public to a false belief, that there was combat. No, the crime scene evidence shows three victims shot in their beds, one victim disabled by shots to mouth and shoulder and arm, then a reloaded gun finishing this victim off. Add in that she was in bed by 9pm, was found with undigested food in her stomach showing she got up in the night, her bloody underwear in a bucket, a tampon applicator in the living room and an inserted tampon in her corpse, there is your movie. Are ITV so thick they will ignore all this? I am making damn sure that if they make fools of themselves they will be exposed by the rationalists.
The crime scene kitchen photo shows that some kind of struggle took place there. Why was Nevill's watch found broken and hidden under the mat in front of the sink? (with associated bruising to his left wrist where he probably wore it). There was blood spatter on the AGA and kettle as well as a wooden shard broken off the rifle, indicating that he had been severely beaten with it. How did the high ceiling lampshade central in the room come to be shattered with its shards scattered on the floor? Did Nevill climb onto a chair waving his hands about to effect this?!!!
And any drama/doc will tend to obfuscate rather than clarify, as they have done several times in the past. I remember one which showed the gun cupboard as a simple sideboard with easy access, not the actual cramped, wedge-shaped compartment under the stairs which could only be entered/examined by crawling on hands and knees. For a drama to be truthful it needs to be accurate, and reliant on the actual layout/plans of WHF.
ITV will take no notice of you Samson, much as you would hope. They're aim is to boost audience figures not kowtow to the misplaced concerns of one or two on social media.
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: adam on July 08, 2018, 09:05:42 AM
The silencer also scratched the aga during the kitchen fight.
David has said the relatives scratched the aga without seeing the kitchen crime scene photos. Which was very risky of them. This was extra evidence the silencer had been used after the relatives (according to David) had gone into a bucket of water & expertly put period blood into the silencer from underwear.
A very innovative framing plan by the relatives. Risky as well, as they didn't know Sheila's arm lenght, if there had been any contact shots, or if the police already had evidence the massacre had been committed without the silencer.
Never the less, optimistically realising the relatives could have fabricated the silencer without police assistance, was the reason David changed stance from hardcore guilter. Not sure how a very optimistic 'could' opinion negates all his previous evidence reasons for being a hardcore guilter.
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: adam on July 08, 2018, 09:35:32 AM
I can't see the ITV drama having a scene where the relatives are sat around a table -
AE
'I don't know if Sheila is guilty, but I want the inheritance money'.
DB
'Why don't we frame Jeremy ?'.
PE
'Splendid idea. But how ?'
DB
'Simple, we expertly put wet period blood into a silencer & scratch the aga'.
PE
'Now why didn't I think of that ?
AE
'Only a 1% chance of it working & we will get 5 years each if rumbled. But let's do it'.
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The programme makers won't want the viewers rolling around laughing in a serious drama.
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Samson on July 08, 2018, 11:54:41 AM
I can't see the ITV drama having a scene where the relatives are sat around a table -
AE
'I don't know if Sheila is guilty, but I want the inheritance money'.
DB
'Why don't we frame Jeremy ?'.
PE
'Splendid idea. But how ?'
DB
'Simple, we expertly put wet period blood into a silencer & scratch the aga'.
PE
'Now why didn't I think of that ?
AE
'Only a 1% chance of it working & we will get 5 years each if rumbled. But let's do it'.
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The programme makers won't want the viewers rolling around laughing in a serious drama.
Let us work backwards from suicide. Why not, you are working back from mass murder. Charlie asked a question about blunt force trauma, why not essay an answer, we are talking past each other. We all want to deconstruct this crime.
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 08, 2018, 01:54:58 PM
The crime scene kitchen photo shows that some kind of struggle took place there. Why was Nevill's watch found broken and hidden under the mat in front of the sink? (with associated bruising to his left wrist where he probably wore it). There was blood spatter on the AGA and kettle as well as a wooden shard broken off the rifle, indicating that he had been severely beaten with it. How did the high ceiling lampshade central in the room come to be shattered with its shards scattered on the floor? Did Nevill climb onto a chair waving his hands about to effect this?!!!
And any drama/doc will tend to obfuscate rather than clarify, as they have done several times in the past. I remember one which showed the gun cupboard as a simple sideboard with easy access, not the actual cramped, wedge-shaped compartment under the stairs which could only be entered/examined by crawling on hands and knees. For a drama to be truthful it needs to be accurate, and reliant on the actual layout/plans of WHF.
ITV will take no notice of you Samson, much as you would hope. They're aim is to boost audience figures not kowtow to the misplaced concerns of one or two on social media.
Talking of obfuscating rather than clarifying:
- NB's watch was 'discovered' under a rug. There's no evidence anyone attempted to hide it.
- NB sustained non-gsw injuries to his right arm only
- The blood found near the Aga was described as "smears" not blood spatter. "There was blood smears on a tile above his head, on the kettle on the hob and the Aga at his side" CAL P. 702. Pathology report states "substantial blood staining" to NB's right hand. Probably came out when NB outstretched his only working arm (right) to steady himself.
- Dr V was unable to gauge the force used in all but one of NB's non-gsw's. The one he was able to gauge he described as "considerable" but this only caused a "severe superficial skin injury". In a later report he stated that there was nothing a woman of SC's build was unable to inflict:
- The kitchen lampshade was found broken and the only people to describe the fall out as "shards of glass" are you and John. Soc officer DC Hammersley describes the fall out as "debris" confined to a particular area:
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Alice on July 08, 2018, 02:15:36 PM
Whether you think Sheila is guilty or not, surely no one really believes the idea of a set up involving menstrual blood soaking in a bucket? So ludicrous it's almost laughable. The other issue I've always had is the idea of Sheila shooting herself twice. The intense pain and damage from the first shot would surely render any person incapable of righting the gun and firing again. We all have a fundamental level of self preservation and this goes completely against that.
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: adam on July 08, 2018, 02:36:36 PM
Whether you think Sheila is guilty or not, surely no one really believes the idea of a set up involving menstrual blood soaking in a bucket? So ludicrous it's almost laughable. The other issue I've always had is the idea of Sheila shooting herself twice. The intense pain and damage from the first shot would surely render any person incapable of righting the gun and firing again. We all have a fundamental level of self preservation and this goes completely against that.
David had attempted a quiet stance change.
When exposed he said he changed stance because he realised the relatives could have fabricated the silencer without police assistance. I assume this means he believes the police were not involved in any framing.
After repeated questioning by me, David eventually said he believed the relatives used the period blood in the bucket of water.
Good luck in getting more from him on this issue. I couldn't although this is his reason for a 360 degree U turn.
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: APRIL on July 08, 2018, 02:49:39 PM
Whether you think Sheila is guilty or not, surely no one really believes the idea of a set up involving menstrual blood soaking in a bucket? So ludicrous it's almost laughable. The other issue I've always had is the idea of Sheila shooting herself twice. The intense pain and damage from the first shot would surely render any person incapable of righting the gun and firing again. We all have a fundamental level of self preservation and this goes completely against that.
Equally risible is the suggestion that having been previously shot through the neck -in the kitchen!!!- and having either feigned death of passed out- she then, complete with shattered vertebrae causing who knows what pain, she manages to climb the stairs, each step presumably jarring her damaged spine and intensifying the pain. She then, whether sitting standing or laying, has to raise her arms to lift the gun into position, probably ALSO having to position her head to a place suitable to place the final shot. God knows how, had she failed -again- she'd have accomplished a third!!!
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Caroline on July 08, 2018, 05:46:59 PM
- NB's watch was 'discovered' under a rug. There's no evidence anyone attempted to hide it.
- NB sustained non-gsw injuries to his right arm only
- The blood found near the Aga was described as "smears" not blood spatter. "There was blood smears on a tile above his head, on the kettle on the hob and the Aga at his side" CAL P. 702. Pathology report states "substantial blood staining" to NB's right hand. Probably came out when NB outstretched his only working arm (right) to steady himself.
- Dr V was unable to gauge the force used in all but one of NB's non-gsw's. The one he was able to gauge he described as "considerable" but this only caused a "severe superficial skin injury". In a later report he stated that there was nothing a woman of SC's build was unable to inflict:
- The kitchen lampshade was found broken and the only people to describe the fall out as "shards of glass" are you and John. Soc officer DC Hammersley describes the fall out as "debris" confined to a particular area:
The fact is the light was broken and Nevill's head was battered with the rifle hard enough to break the stock. I know you think that a person carrying out such an act wouldn't be splattered with the victims blood but I certainly don't agree and Sheila certainly wasn't.
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Myster on July 08, 2018, 06:37:47 PM
- NB's watch was 'discovered' under a rug. There's no evidence anyone attempted to hide it.
- NB sustained non-gsw injuries to his right arm only
- The blood found near the Aga was described as "smears" not blood spatter. "There was blood smears on a tile above his head, on the kettle on the hob and the Aga at his side" CAL P. 702. Pathology report states "substantial blood staining" to NB's right hand. Probably came out when NB outstretched his only working arm (right) to steady himself.
- Dr V was unable to gauge the force used in all but one of NB's non-gsw's. The one he was able to gauge he described as "considerable" but this only caused a "severe superficial skin injury". In a later report he stated that there was nothing a woman of SC's build was unable to inflict:
- The kitchen lampshade was found broken and the only people to describe the fall out as "shards of glass" are you and John. Soc officer DC Hammersley describes the fall out as "debris" confined to a particular area:
Check the facts before you nitpick, oh footy fanatic!
1). I didn't say anyone attempted to hide the watch... it was found hidden, as in hidden from view.
2). Nope, his left arm and WRIST were bruised, see pathology report attached.
3). Described as smears by CAL, but observed by ME as spots/spatter (call it what you will) on the AGA front and the kettle resting on top. Some of us don't agree with CAL on certain points, including the order of shooting.
4). Nevill's face was beaten to a pulp, and that wasn't by a feather duster.
5). The lampshade was BROKEN!... so where did the shards/pieces/debris (again, call them what you will) end up? In the hall, on the stairs, in the bedrooms?!!! Did Sheila sweep them up so none would cut the soles of her feet?!!! Soooooo pedantic!
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: adam on July 08, 2018, 08:51:00 PM
I don't believe the watch was hidden. Bamber wouldn't hide the watch in the middle of the kitchen crime scene.
The watch fell off Nevill's wrist as he was protecting his head from rifle blows from Bamber. Mats would have moved during the kitchen fight & one ended up on top of the watch.
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 08, 2018, 09:28:27 PM
Check the facts before you nitpick, oh footy fanatic!
1). I didn't say anyone attempted to hide the watch... it was found hidden, as in hidden from view.
2). Nope, his left arm and WRIST were bruised, see pathology report attached.
3). Described as smears by CAL, but observed by ME as spots/spatter (call it what you will) on the AGA front and the kettle resting on top. Some of us don't agree with CAL on certain points, including the order of shooting.
4). Nevill's face was beaten to a pulp, and that wasn't by a feather duster.
5). The lampshade was BROKEN!... so where did the shards/pieces/debris (again, call them what you will) end up? In the hall, on the stairs, in the bedrooms?!!! Did Sheila sweep them up so none would cut the soles of her feet?!!! Soooooo pedantic!
Check the facts before you nitpick, oh footy fanatic!
1). I didn't say anyone attempted to hide the watch... it was found hidden, as in hidden from view.
2). Nope, his left arm and WRIST were bruised, see pathology report attached.
3). Described as smears by CAL, but observed by ME as spots/spatter (call it what you will) on the AGA front and the kettle resting on top. Some of us don't agree with CAL on certain points, including the order of shooting.
4). Nevill's face was beaten to a pulp, and that wasn't by a feather duster.
5). The lampshade was BROKEN!... so where did the shards/pieces/debris (again, call them what you will) end up? In the hall, on the stairs, in the bedrooms?!!! Did Sheila sweep them up so none would cut the soles of her feet?!!! Soooooo pedantic!
There's no evidence for anything you suggest:
1). let's agree on discovered!?
2). A later report states no injuries to left forearm:
3). The first I heard of these blood stains was via CAL. I will need to check her source. Anyway no mention in DC Hammersley's trial testimony who was responsible for collecting such.
4). Please provide evidence of NB's face beaten to a pulp. Dr Vanezis said there was nothing about his injuries that a woman of SC's build was unable to inflict:
5). The lampshade was described as opaque and the debris was said to have fallen between the stool and mag rack. Talk of shards all over the place has no place in reality:
Whether you think Sheila is guilty or not, surely no one really believes the idea of a set up involving menstrual blood soaking in a bucket? So ludicrous it's almost laughable. The other issue I've always had is the idea of Sheila shooting herself twice. The intense pain and damage from the first shot would surely render any person incapable of righting the gun and firing again. We all have a fundamental level of self preservation and this goes completely against that.
Absolutely correct. The whole idea that someone could shoot themself twice in the throat and not end up with blood all over their hands, fingers and the rifle is frankly laughable.
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 09, 2018, 05:12:19 PM
Absolutely correct. The whole idea that someone could shoot themself twice in the throat and not end up with blood all over their hands, fingers and the rifle is frankly laughable.
SC did have blood on her hands and blood was present on the rifle.
Charlie Wilkes on IA reconstructed with his .22 and demonstrated how blood trailed down SC's arm.
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Alice on July 09, 2018, 06:58:32 PM
If she'd shot herself the first time and failed the pain would be immeasurable and it would be a reflex surely to raise your hands to the wound so yes there would be some blood stain on her hands. I just do not accept that in that agony and as you suggest mental turmoil she could ever set about inflicting a second shot. I think with pain that awful she'd just have passed out or just lay writhing if conscious.
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 09, 2018, 08:52:50 PM
If she'd shot herself the first time and failed the pain would be immeasurable and it would be a reflex surely to raise your hands to the wound so yes there would be some blood stain on her hands. I just do not accept that in that agony and as you suggest mental turmoil she could ever set about inflicting a second shot. I think with pain that awful she'd just have passed out or just lay writhing if conscious.
June sustained at least 5 gsw's and walked around the bed and back.
NB sustained 4 gsw's upstairs and was able to get to the kitchen under his own steam despite the pathologist saying the 2 x facial wounds he sustained would have produced "extreme pain".
It is often said women have higher pain thresholds as a result of childbirth but I've no idea if any research backs this up.
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Angelo222 on July 10, 2018, 02:51:18 PM
If she'd shot herself the first time and failed the pain would be immeasurable and it would be a reflex surely to raise your hands to the wound so yes there would be some blood stain on her hands. I just do not accept that in that agony and as you suggest mental turmoil she could ever set about inflicting a second shot. I think with pain that awful she'd just have passed out or just lay writhing if conscious.
Agreed and the tips of her fingers would have been bloodied...they weren't. The pathologist's expert evidence was that the first shot would have paralysed Sheila effectively making any second shot impossible.
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: APRIL on July 10, 2018, 03:46:25 PM
Agreed and the tips of her fingers would have been bloodied...they weren't. The pathologist's expert evidence was that the first shot would have paralysed Sheila effectively making any second shot impossible.
Shattered vertebrae would certainly have made head movement difficult, if not, impossible. I can't see how she'd have raised her head, after the first shot, to position it for a successful second shot.
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 10, 2018, 03:48:10 PM
Agreed and the tips of her fingers would have been bloodied...they weren't. The pathologist's expert evidence was that the first shot would have paralysed Sheila effectively making any second shot impossible.
The pathologist said it would have been possible for SC to walk around having sustained the first shot as per attached trial testimony.
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 10, 2018, 03:55:21 PM
Shattered vertebrae would certainly have made head movement difficult, if not, impossible. I can't see how she'd have raised her head, after the first shot, to position it for a successful second shot.
The pathologist has SC partially sitting up for both gsw's as per attached
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Angelo222 on July 10, 2018, 04:21:17 PM
The pathologist said it would have been possible for SC to walk around having sustained the first shot as per attached trial testimony.
But she didn't walk around otherwise the carpet and the soles of her feet would have been smeared in blood.
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Alice on July 10, 2018, 04:36:17 PM
It's one thing to look at what someone suggests could happen and another to imagine the reality of shooting yourself in the head and neck and then getting up and walking away! I imagine she was in a position with her head slightly propped up because that's where here brother jammed her to get a purchase on the gun and ensure the second shot didn't fail like the first.
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 10, 2018, 04:44:39 PM
But she didn't walk around otherwise the carpet and the soles of her feet would have been smeared in blood.
I'm not suggesting she did walk around but from a physiological point of view it was possible as per both pathologists at trial. If she was capable of walking around she was capable of inflicting the second gsw.
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: adam on July 10, 2018, 05:56:00 PM
I'm not suggesting she did walk around but from a physiological point of view it was possible as per both pathologists at trial. If she was capable of walking around she was capable of inflicting the second gsw.
When do you believe Sheila killed herself ?
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 11, 2018, 12:19:56 PM
Very shortly after murdering her parents and twin sons. I think it's likely all occupants were dead when the police arrived.
There's no evidence SC died later. All the expert evidence supports all victims (incl SC) dying around the same time ie shortly after JB claims NB called.
There's no evidence SC had a "ritual cleanse", wrote suicide notes, read the bible, burned NB's back etc, etc.
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: adam on July 11, 2018, 01:09:57 PM
So who burnt Nevill's back ?
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: adam on July 11, 2018, 01:20:42 PM
I did create a thread on the Blue forum asking why Sheila would keep herself alive for several hours after killing everyone.
I got no response but virtually every supporter says Sheila stayed alive right up until or after the police entered WHF. The latest claim that a 999 call was made from WHF at around 6am.
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 11, 2018, 01:26:48 PM
Prof Knight did not think the marks on NB's back were burn marks. This was the only aspect of the case the two pathologists disagreed on. Obviously Prof Knight didn't have the advantage of seeing the marks first hand but I'm inclined to go along with his opinion on this as it makes no sense for SC or JB to single out NB to inflict burns. Plus there's no evidence of an implement heated up to inflict such. The lawyers at trial didn't ask whether the marks were definitely caused on the night of the murders and the expert witnesses didn't volunteer by confirming or rejecting.
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 11, 2018, 01:42:18 PM
I did create a thread on the Blue forum asking why Sheila would keep herself alive for several hours after killing everyone.
I got no response but virtually every supporter says Sheila stayed alive right up until or after the police entered WHF. The latest claim that a 999 call was made from WHF at around 6am.
That's because they refuse to work with the expert evidence from highly qualified individuals with long experience from the likes of Dr Craig, Dr Vanezis and Prof Knight. Instead they spew out ill thought out cranky theories which contradict all the expert evidence and in reality are incapable of helping man or Bamber the beast! Worse still they accuse the experts of incompetence, negligence, lying, committing perjury and problems with alcohol without a shred of evidence.
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 11, 2018, 03:39:38 PM
Prof Knight did not think the marks on NB's back were burn marks. This was the only aspect of the case the two pathologists disagreed on. Obviously Prof Knight didn't have the advantage of seeing the marks first hand but I'm inclined to go along with his opinion on this as it makes no sense for SC or JB to single out NB to inflict burns. Plus there's no evidence of an implement heated up to inflict such. The lawyers at trial didn't ask whether the marks were definitely caused on the night of the murders and the expert witnesses didn't volunteer by confirming or rejecting.
Correction: Dr V thought the marks were recent as in caused at the same time as NB's other injuries.
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Alice on July 11, 2018, 04:32:35 PM
So if we agree on that, why on earth would Sheila burn Nevill's back? Makes more sense to me that JB did it to ensure he'd really finished him off before he left the scene.
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Holly Goodhead on July 12, 2018, 09:35:36 AM
So if we agree on that, why on earth would Sheila burn Nevill's back? Makes more sense to me that JB did it to ensure he'd really finished him off before he left the scene.
The experts disagree on the nature of the marks.
It makes no sense to me that JB or SC would single out NB.
NB sustained 8 gsw's 4 to his head. If JB/SC wanted to inflict burns to ensure he was dead then why not do the same with the other victims? How could they be certain the other victims were dead?
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: adam on July 12, 2018, 07:43:38 PM
It makes no sense to me that JB or SC would single out NB.
NB sustained 8 gsw's 4 to his head. If JB/SC wanted to inflict burns to ensure he was dead then why not do the same with the other victims? How could they be certain the other victims were dead?
This was answered on your thread on this.
Sheila - Can't burn her own back. Bamber was supposed to be making it look like suicide.
The twins - Both 6 years old. Shot in the head while they slept. Both dead.
June - Shot 7 times. The last two shots would have caused death quickly.
Bamber couldn't go around burning everyone's back. It was supposed to be an mad rage, not a calculated murder.
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Why did Bamber decide to burn Nevill's back ? Answers in your thread.
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: adam on July 12, 2018, 07:57:50 PM
If Bamber had burnt Sheila's Nevill's, June's, Nicholas's & Daniel's backs, it would make him guilty. As Sheila couldn't burn her own back.
It just leaves June & the twins. Who Bamber was satisfied were dead after 15 shots.
A 16 stone 6.4 Nevill was perhaps very much alive after 4 shots & a kitchen fight. He was also next to the aga with his back easily accessible after Bamber lifted him onto the coal scuttle.
Bamber had to shoot Nevill another 4 times & simultaneously burn his back 3 times. Until satisfied he was dead.
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Myster on August 31, 2018, 06:18:02 PM
Where's adam? Is he having a cheap op in Poland to remove his apple?
And has Her Holy Godliness gone AWOL again with Z-lister Tom... or his she on location, designing the sets and making sure reconstructions are accurate to the nearest squillimetre...
Where's adam? Is he having a cheap op in Poland to remove his apple?
And has Her Holy Godliness gone AWOL again with Z-lister Tom... or his she on location, designing the sets and making sure reconstructions are accurate to the nearest squillimetre...
Where's adam? Is he having a cheap op in Poland to remove his apple?
And has Her Holy Godliness gone AWOL again with Z-lister Tom... or his she on location, designing the sets and making sure reconstructions are accurate to the nearest squillimetre...
You don't half complicate things, dearest! @)(++(*
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Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Samson on September 02, 2018, 12:35:51 AM
I see filming has begun. How embarrassing for all those involved if they attempt a filming of JB being involved. They have a wall of evidence around bullet casings, trajectories, and compliance of Sheila to reconcile.
Fail grade.
On the other hand, maybe they have studied Holly's recreation, and plan a film of what actually happened.
I see filming has begun. How embarrassing for all those involved if they attempt a filming of JB being involved. They have a wall of evidence around bullet casings, trajectories, and compliance of Sheila to reconcile.
Fail grade.
On the other hand, maybe they have studied Holly's recreation, and plan a film of what actually happened.
Why would they study anything from armature detectives? No disrespect to Holly but you're completely deluded.
I wouldn't be at all surprised if the director, scriptwriter and actors have been gleaning these very pages for months.
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Myster on September 04, 2018, 08:58:00 PM
Crikey! We'll never hear the last of this...https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/7143593/jeremy-bamber/ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/7143593/jeremy-bamber/)
You'd have thought they could have found a house that actually resembled pebble-dashed Bourtree Cottage. So much for accuracy!
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Myster on September 05, 2018, 04:48:09 AM
And whoever pointed that brickwork needs shoo...... errrrm, a severe talking to!
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: APRIL on September 05, 2018, 07:13:56 AM
I feel sure I've seen it said that they went to Goldhanger to do the filming but nothing has been said locally.
Probably in the wee small hours when the sleepy village was asleep, with Freddie leaving and returning on a push bike, sporting a ridiculous black wig. Freddie that is, not the push bike.
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: APRIL on September 05, 2018, 08:42:10 AM
Probably in the wee small hours when the sleepy village was asleep, with Freddie leaving and returning on a push bike, sporting a ridiculous black wig. Freddie that is, not the push bike.
Wasn't "a ridiculous black wig" the look Jeremy acquired after the tint job?
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: adam on September 05, 2018, 06:13:36 PM
Maybe Mike or Nugs will come up with some new evidence which frees Bamber, before filming has finished. Resulting in a script change.
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Myster on September 05, 2018, 07:44:22 PM
Yu meen thu gost uv Maddie Macan in pry da looz as forkast whu dun it?
I used to believe Nugs didn't have the capacity to provide sources.
But he proved me wrong by supplying one source on Barry George. To support his vision that 'The Sun' turned down Bamber's offer of a free life story.
The reason he stone walls source requests are because his threads are more to do with his visions, than the facts. Posters discussing on his threads validates his visions.
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: APRIL on September 06, 2018, 08:49:51 AM
I used to believe Nugs didn't have the capacity to provide sources.
But he proved me wrong by supplying one source on Barry George. To support his vision that 'The Sun' turned down Bamber's offer of a free life story.
The reason he stone walls source requests are because his threads are more to do with his visions, than the facts. Posters discussing on his threads validates his visions.
Ooh! that's a bit deep for 8.13am
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: John on September 09, 2018, 01:22:28 AM
I understand they've been tidied up @ Wakefiled courtesy of Aarash and the Central Asian hair removal technique known as threading. Apparently they improvise with dental floss!
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Caroline on September 23, 2018, 11:33:47 AM
I understand they've been tidied up @ Wakefiled courtesy of Aarash and the Central Asian hair removal technique known as threading. Apparently they improvise with dental floss!
Using the twanging technique he's very familiar with. 8((()*/
Cor Blimey, stone the crows an' watch yer mate!... where've you been? Missed ya dreadfully and thought you'd popped yer clogs, Oh Darlin' (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hkt8E2Ul-Xw)
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Post by: Holly Goodhead on September 23, 2018, 05:08:21 PM
Ah! It's a drama and made specifically with entertainment in mind - but I suppose we should give it a chance. I bet we'll all be watching it!
You bet! We could even watch the final episode all together. I understand it's due for release in the summer so if we can stream it live from a lappy onto a big screen we could make a bit of do out of it with a bbq that's assuming it goes ahead.
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Holly Goodhead on September 23, 2018, 05:32:57 PM
Using the twanging technique he's very familiar with. 8((()*/
Cor Blimey, stone the crows an' watch yer mate!... where've you been? Missed ya dreadfully and thought you'd popped yer clogs, Oh Darlin' (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hkt8E2Ul-Xw)
Oh yes the pulling of cotton threads from his aran sweater which, according to DS Jones, he twanged between his teeth during his police interviews. Maybe JB is a threader rather than threaded 8)-)))
Yeah hiya (ty6e[ 8**8:/: I'm still alive n kicking but there's nothing new to discuss at the moment. I just called in today re the Guardian article.
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Myster on October 05, 2018, 05:49:55 AM
A bit fishy, or a taste of things to come... https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-6240767/Prince-Harrys-ex-Cressida-Bonas-strips-NAKED-pose-shark-anti-fishing-campaign.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-6240767/Prince-Harrys-ex-Cressida-Bonas-strips-NAKED-pose-shark-anti-fishing-campaign.html)
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Myster on October 12, 2018, 04:12:12 AM
Ooooo, isn't it exciting! 8(*( ... but at the wrong Chequers. 8(8-))
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Myster on October 12, 2018, 06:46:26 AM
Place the faces... https://www.essexlive.news/news/essex-news/gallery/photos-chelmsford-pub-show-brand-2094974 (https://www.essexlive.news/news/essex-news/gallery/photos-chelmsford-pub-show-brand-2094974)
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Myster on October 10, 2019, 05:18:36 AM
Here at last, with Prince Harry playing Colin Caffell...
Does anyone know if White House Farm is being used to film scenes?
I very much doubt if the Eatons would want a load of thespians and film crew tramping through their home, no matter how much was on offer. More likely that ITV built replica rooms or used the substitute 19th century manse below for internal scenes. The owners of the house might have been paid handsomely, in addition to having their drive gravelled with a few decorative concrete balls thrown in for good measure.
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Caroline on October 21, 2019, 12:47:48 AM
Agreed, can't believe his solicitor has backed it though!
He's trying to make a name for himself. Got to laugh though, Bamber's last lawyer was quick at distancing himself once he realised how much of a mug he was.
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Caroline on October 22, 2019, 01:17:25 PM
He's trying to make a name for himself. Got to laugh though, Bamber's last lawyer was quick at distancing himself once he realised how much of a mug he was.
I doubt it will be the kind of name he expected. He's supposed to be a 'hotshot' in respect to MOJ's but he must know this case and realise that the so called 'compelling' evidence is nothing of the sort. CCRC must be rubbing their hands!
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Nicholas on October 28, 2019, 05:15:50 PM
I doubt it will be the kind of name he expected. He's supposed to be a 'hotshot' in respect to MOJ's but he must know this case and realise that the so called 'compelling' evidence is nothing of the sort. CCRC must be rubbing their hands!
Attention-seeker' has murder conviction quashed - Martin Wainwright June 2009
Ian Lawless, who confessed to vigilante killing of supposed paedophile, freed by appeal court after seven years in jail
”A man whose craving for attention led to his conviction for the murder of a man wrongly suspected of being a paedophile was released today after seven years on the orders of the court of appeal.
Three senior judges ruled that fresh medical evidence cast doubt on whether 47-year-old Ian Lawless could have played the part he claimed in the 2001 killing of retired sea captain Alf Wilkins in Grimsby.
Lawyers for the family of Lawless, a fantasist who tried to persuade fellow prisoners on remand that he was a Taliban fighter, triggered the fresh hearing by presenting medical findings to the criminal cases review commission. The former cellarman was given a life sentence in 2002 for setting fire to the flat of 67-year-old Wilkins, who had recently been cleared of abusing a nine-year-old girl.
Lawless's unemployed godson Gary Lawson, then 19, was also convicted of murder and two neighbours on Grimsby's Yarborough estate were jailed for conspiracy and intimidation. Lawson, who is serving a life sentence, told police after his arrest: "When it became known that Alf was dead, everyone wanted to party."
The trial at Hull crown court heard evidence of Lawless's drunken fantasies, but he was convicted on a majority verdict after more than three days' deliberation. The jury had earlier found Lawson guilty.
Lord Justice Richards, sitting with Mrs Justice Gloster and Mrs Justice Dobbs, said today that the appeal court was satisfied that the new medical evidence "might have affected the jury's assessment of the reliability of the various confessions made by the appellant. Their verdict might have been different."
The court also bore in mind the "very long period of deliberation" before the guilty verdict was returned.
The new evidence, presented after an earlier appeal by Lawless failed, set out his personality disorder in detail, adding that his need for attention was made worse when he was drunk. Described at the trial by his own QC as "obnoxious", he made a string of confessions to fellow drinkers at a Grimsby pub, but later denied them to police.
After the hearing, where the appeal was not opposed by the prosecution and no retrial was ordered, Lawless was released and came out of the royal courts of justice with members of his family and legal team. Standing beside his daughter Laura Jayne, he said: "I should never have been in there." He felt "ecstatic but strange" to be out of prison after so long.
His solicitor, Mark Newby, said: "Ian is delighted to have his liberty today," but added that the case showed the continuing risk of "vulnerable people being pushed through the court process without the necessary safeguards in place". https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/jun/16/ian-lawless-murder-conviction-quashed
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Post by: Nicholas on October 28, 2019, 05:17:13 PM
Attention-seeker' has murder conviction quashed - Martin Wainwright June 2009
Ian Lawless, who confessed to vigilante killing of supposed paedophile, freed by appeal court after seven years in jail
”A man whose craving for attention led to his conviction for the murder of a man wrongly suspected of being a paedophile was released today after seven years on the orders of the court of appeal.
Three senior judges ruled that fresh medical evidence cast doubt on whether 47-year-old Ian Lawless could have played the part he claimed in the 2001 killing of retired sea captain Alf Wilkins in Grimsby.
Lawyers for the family of Lawless, a fantasist who tried to persuade fellow prisoners on remand that he was a Taliban fighter, triggered the fresh hearing by presenting medical findings to the criminal cases review commission. The former cellarman was given a life sentence in 2002 for setting fire to the flat of 67-year-old Wilkins, who had recently been cleared of abusing a nine-year-old girl.
Lawless's unemployed godson Gary Lawson, then 19, was also convicted of murder and two neighbours on Grimsby's Yarborough estate were jailed for conspiracy and intimidation. Lawson, who is serving a life sentence, told police after his arrest: "When it became known that Alf was dead, everyone wanted to party."
The trial at Hull crown court heard evidence of Lawless's drunken fantasies, but he was convicted on a majority verdict after more than three days' deliberation. The jury had earlier found Lawson guilty.
Lord Justice Richards, sitting with Mrs Justice Gloster and Mrs Justice Dobbs, said today that the appeal court was satisfied that the new medical evidence "might have affected the jury's assessment of the reliability of the various confessions made by the appellant. Their verdict might have been different."
The court also bore in mind the "very long period of deliberation" before the guilty verdict was returned.
The new evidence, presented after an earlier appeal by Lawless failed, set out his personality disorder in detail, adding that his need for attention was made worse when he was drunk. Described at the trial by his own QC as "obnoxious", he made a string of confessions to fellow drinkers at a Grimsby pub, but later denied them to police.
After the hearing, where the appeal was not opposed by the prosecution and no retrial was ordered, Lawless was released and came out of the royal courts of justice with members of his family and legal team. Standing beside his daughter Laura Jayne, he said: "I should never have been in there." He felt "ecstatic but strange" to be out of prison after so long.
His solicitor, Mark Newby, said: "Ian is delighted to have his liberty today," but added that the case showed the continuing risk of "vulnerable people being pushed through the court process without the necessary safeguards in place". https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/jun/16/ian-lawless-murder-conviction-quashed
When is a “vulnerable” person not a “vulnerable” person?
Ian Lawless wins murder conviction compensation ruling - 25 January 2013 ”A man who spent eight years in jail for a murder he did not commit could get up to £500,000 in compensation after winning a High Court case. Ian Lawless was jailed for life in 2002 for the murder of retired sea captain Alf Wilkins in Grimsby. In 2009 his conviction was ruled unsafe after judges heard fresh evidence. High Court judges ruled that a previous decision to refuse Mr Lawless compensation was legally flawed and must be reconsidered. Four other people whose convictions had been quashed including Barry George, the man wrongly convicted of the murder of BBC TV presenter Jill Dando, lost their bids for compensation. 'Need for attention' Mr Lawless's solicitor Mark Newby said he was "absolutely delighted" with the ruling in his client's case. He said the government would now have to reassess whether compensation should be awarded to Mr Lawless, taking the judges' ruling into account, and he expected that it would be. Mr Newby said: "It's likely to still take a while for Mr Lawless but at least he now knows it will move in the right direction. There's an overall cap of £500,000 for the sort of length of time that Mr Lawless served. Certainly it would be more than £100,000 for an eight-year sentence." The solicitor said Mr Lawless was "struggling with his life on the outside" and while a compensation payout would help provide for his future, it would "never make up" for the years he had lost. Mr Wilkins' body was found in the kitchen of his smoke-damaged flat on Grimsby's Yarborough estate with his 12-year-old Alsatian dog Lucky lying nearby. Mr Lawless was convicted of murder after making various "confessions" to third parties, including regulars in a pub and a taxi driver, His conviction was later ruled unsafe after fresh medical evidence revealed he had a "pathological need for attention". His freedom at the age of 47 followed a referral of his case to the Court of Appeal by the Criminal Cases Review Commission, the independent body which investigates possible miscarriages of justice. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-humber-21204099
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Nicholas on October 28, 2019, 06:06:49 PM
I doubt it will be the kind of name he expected. He's supposed to be a 'hotshot' in respect to MOJ's but he must know this case and realise that the so called 'compelling' evidence is nothing of the sort. CCRC must be rubbing their hands!
In what way do you mean “they must be rubbing their hands?”
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Nicholas on October 28, 2019, 06:13:54 PM
In what way do you mean “they must be rubbing their hands?”
Two trials, three jailhouse snitches, a four-part documentary – but no evidence
Bob Woffinden - 8 September 2016 | The Investigator? Mark Williams-Thomas
8th September 2016
In July and August, ITV gave the former Thames Valley Police officer, Mark Williams-Thomas, an astonishing transmission time of four hours to conduct an inquiry into the case of Russell Causley, whose wife Carole disappeared in 1985. Well, it was the summer holidays, the media’s silly season.
Causley was convicted of his wife’s murder in 1996 and again in 2004. Despite the apparent double resolution of the case, there was simply no evidence about what had actually happened. So: enter MWT, self-styled ‘Investigator’.
‘In all my years as an investigator, I’ve never had a case like this’, MWT informs viewers. ‘After thirty years, I need to find out what really did happen to Carole Packham.
‘I’m starting my investigation with an open mind.’
In a documentary series characterised throughout by half-truths, evasions and disingenuousness, this would turn out to be the biggest lie of all.
Nicholas CasesThe Investigator – A British Crime Story was transmitted on ITV during July-August 2016 – you can watch it here.
You can read David Rose’s review of Bob Woffinden’s new book The Nicholas Cases on the Justice Gap here.
If only the complacency [that British justice is the best in the world] was well-founded. As Bob Woffinden shows in this new, essential book, nothing could be further from the truth, and if anything, in the wake of swingeing legal aid cuts, the situation is getting worse, not better.’ David Rose
Russell Causley, an independent businessman, who frequently lived beyond his means, tried to fake his own death in 1993. Anthony Hackett-Jones, Causley’s solicitor, hired a 40-foot yacht and, together with Causley’s partner, Patricia, and another woman, sailed to St Peter Port, Guernsey. They then ostensibly set out to return late in the evening, before putting out a distress call that there was a man overboard.
No one was taken in for very long: on the one hand, the sea rescue services could find no sign of a body; on the other, an examination of passenger manifests revealed that someone using the surname Russell had bought a one-way ticket on a late ferry back to the mainland.
A life insurance claim for £800,000 was submitted within days, but the insurance investigator (one can’t help thinking of Edward G Robinson in Double Indemnity) was already on the case. The guilty parties were traced to Brighton and then put on trial. Causley was given a two-year prison term; Patricia’s sentence was suspended. As a legal professional, Hackett-Jones, who had pleaded not guilty, would have received a longer sentence in any event; he was jailed for three years. (No action was taken against the other woman.)
This ill-starred episode turned out to be doubly disastrous for Causley.
In the 1980s, as Russell Packham, he lived with his wife Carole and daughter Samantha in Bournemouth. In 1984, Patricia – or Trisha – Causley sold her flat, giving the proceeds to Russell and Carole and moved in with them, partly to help to look after Samantha.
She and Russell were already having an affair, and Carole was probably having extra-marital affairs as well. A guest at one of the Packhams’ dinner-parties, which could potentially end in wife-swapping, commented, ‘I wouldn’t have said Carole was an unwilling partner.’
She walked out, or disappeared, on 14 June 1985, leaving behind her wedding ring and a note saying simply: ‘I’ve had enough, I’m leaving, I’m not coming back.’
Two months later the family reported her as missing. Dorset police launched a brief inquiry and put out press releases. A woman then walked into a local police station, identifying herself as Carole and saying that she was safe and well. The file was closed.
Now, in the wake of the insurance fraud convictions, the police took a renewed interest into what had happened to Carole a decade earlier. The upshot was that Russell Causley (as he now was, having taken Trisha’s surname in 1989) was convicted of murder.
For any investigator going back over all this ground, there was an obvious first question: if Causley had indeed killed his wife, it would mean that his first crime had been the perfect murder; and his second had been an insurance fraud of such laughable incompetence that it could have been picked apart by schoolchildren.
A no point, however, did MWT consider this fundamental disconnect.
The next matter that MWT did not pursue was the handwriting on the note. Was it Carole’s? It is a key evidential point and yet MWT maintained complete silence about it. At the time, it seems, no one raised any concerns. As such, it is one of the many potential defence points that MWT seeks to brush under the carpet.
MWT researched what had happened to the family in the years following Carole’s disappearance. He discovered that Causley and Trisha worked in the aerospace industry in Montreal – as, indeed, Causley had previously done with Carole. So they were known in the ex-pat community there. It must been someone from that community who, after a few weeks, alerted the immigration authorities to the fact that Trisha was using Carole’s work permit. As a result, they had to leave the country and return to the UK.
At this juncture, MWT asks the viewers rhetorically: ‘Was he doing this to lay a paper trail of Carole still being alive?’
Fairly obviously, the answer to this daft question is, No. If Causley had wanted to do that, he could have found some other less dangerous way. Here, the ruse was almost bound to fail (as indeed it did) because their colleagues were fully aware that Trisha and Carole were two different people. In reality, one imagines that it was simply more convenient for Trisha to use an existing work permit rather than to go through the hassle of applying for a fresh one (and also run the risk of being refused).
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Post by: Nicholas on October 28, 2019, 06:22:35 PM
Cont.l.
MWT further established that Trisha had impersonated Carole on a visit to a solicitor’s office in order to get her name removed from the title deeds of the Bournemouth house. It was straightforward to unpick this deception; a handwriting expert could tell almost instantly that the signatures did not match.
This was a significant piece of work by MWT, but he failed to make its import clear to viewers. MWT had spoken to local officers about Carole’s disappearance. They all asserted that they’d made the usual thorough inquiries to establish her whereabouts. It was after drawing blanks at every turn that they began to conclude firstly that she was dead and secondly that Causley had murdered her.
We all know the golden rule of investigations (follow the money) and so the fact that the police inquiries into Carole’s disappearance had failed to uncover the title deeds scam merely showed how inept those inquiries must have been.
There are, in fact, three “disappeared wives” cases. They are all drawn from a relatively small geographical area of the south-west. This may indicate merely that the Crown Prosecution Service in these parts is more cavalier in its prosecutions. The other cases are those of John Allen, who sadly died in prison last year, not having had the chance to fulfil his last wish of establishing his innocence, and Glyn Razzell.
I narrated the Razzell case in some detail in The Nicholas Cases and there I make exactly the same point as applies in the Causley case: that although the police claimed to have made strenuous attempts to locate the missing person, in reality those were the most half-hearted inquiries.
Accordingly, the foundation of the prosecution case in each instance – that because of the exhaustive nature of the police inquires, we can say with certainty that the woman must be dead – is simply bogus.
This leads on to a point of huge significance – which is, of course, that when police did try to locate Carole, they succeeded: she went into a police station.
This is a highly inconvenient piece of information for MWT, so how does he deal with it?
‘All it took’, he tells viewers, ‘is for one person to walk into a police station and say she is Carole. No checks made and no questions asked.’
We have already learned both that the officer who dealt with this woman has since died and also that all the relevant files have since been destroyed.
So when MWT blithely says, No checks made and no questions asked – how can he know that? Logically, he can’t.
After all, the officer may indeed have asked a couple of questions to check the woman’s identity, and may also checked with the photograph on the missing person’s file.
Trisha, a natural redhead, did indeed go into a solicitor’s office in what she described as a cheap, blonde wig and pretend to be Carole.
MWT’s inference is obviously that Trisha, or someone, must have impersonated Carole on this occasion also. Yet while Trisha may have felt confident in impersonating Carole in a provincial solicitor’s office, here the circumstances were entirely different.
An impersonator walking into a police station would have had no idea of how thorough the checks were going to be. Officers might well have spent time comparing the file photograph with the actual person. The wearing of a wig may well have been quickly uncovered, and the impersonator unmasked.
Then the consequences could have been disastrous. The impersonator would suffer immediate detention followed by a possible prison sentence. Much more seriously, however, if this was indeed a ploy to pretend that a deceased Carole was actually still alive, then police would be driven to the conclusion that she had been murdered and an investigation would ensue. Such subterfuge could have been so seriously counter-productive that I do not believe anyone would contemplate it.
The key point is not whether or not checks in the police station were made; it is the foreknowledge of a potential impersonator of the likelihood that checks would be made.
Obviously, police witnesses at the subsequent trials would wish to downplay the significance of this evidence, highly favourable to the defence as it is. As with all evidence, it is important to examine the contemporary evidence – as it was viewed at the actual time, and not as it was reinterpreted in later years in the light of what was then thought to be known.
This relatively minor episode becomes more bewildering still, because MWT suddenly says, ‘I’ve established that the woman who spoke to police took a child of a similar age to Sam with her’. He repeats this assertion, saying, ‘I also know that when that person walked in there was a child with them’.
So where has this come from?
It is, at the least, journalistically dishonest. It is unprofessional to put on screen what is asserted to be key evidence while withholding its provenance from the audience. Indeed, it is because we have no idea where it comes from that many would conclude that MWT has just made it up. As before, the same background circumstances apply: the officer has died, the files have been destroyed.
So an analysis of this relatively small area of the case highlights MWT’s style and approach. It is actually a massively important defence point. MWT cannot undermine it so he resorts to unsourced claims (‘I’ve established…’, ‘I also know…’) hoping that viewers won’t notice such journalistic deceptions.
In terms of the case itself, the only point that matters is that that person could have Carole, and that at the time the police were satisfied, by whatever means, that it was Carole. That alone should have been sufficient to secure Causley an acquittal.
By this stage, viewers would surely have been wondering what on earth was the actual evidence on which Causley was convicted. Although The Investigator – A British Crime Story is a bloated and relentlessly repetitive series, MWT finds almost no time to dwell on the evidence that sent Causley to prison to life.
In fact, this is merely another of the elements of dishonesty that characterise the series. Had MWT fully analysed the Crown’s courtroom evidence, then viewers would have realised that the case against Causley at trial was essentially non-existent.
Basically, the trial evidence consisted of the evidence of Samantha, who had been turned wholly against her father by then but who, realistically, could give no evidence of murder; and the evidence of three jailhouse snitches.
Samantha told MWT that, after running away from home in the wake of her mother’s disappearance, she ‘made a statement against my father’. However, he then arrived and coerced her into retracting the statement and making a fresh one. As is usual, MWT provides no supporting evidence at all for this; perhaps there is none. Again, one yearns for information about the actual contemporary evidence, not the evidence as it may have been reshaped in subsequent years.
Jailhouse snitch testimony, when a prisoner claims that another has “confessed” to him, is certainly admissible evidence, but that does not mean that it is acceptable evidence. On the contrary, it is morally repugnant. All prisoners are vulnerable, and a number may perceive advantages and benefits from giving evidence that assists the authorities.
Nevertheless, the jailhouse snitch can help to pull the wool over the eyes of less sophisticated juries. The prosecution may use the evidence of a jailhouse snitch to try to top up a weak court case; sometimes, as in the case of Gordon Park, also described in The Nicholas Cases, there are two jailhouse snitches; to the initiated, that’s a clear sign that the case really is bogus.
Before Causley, I’d never heard of three being used in a case before. From this perspective alone, one can tell that this prosecution case was rotten to the core. Almost inevitably, the evidence of each was at odds with that of the others (one stated that Causley had hacked his wife to death, another that he’d put her in an acid bath, and another that two others had taken away the corpse).
Jailhouse snitch represents a high water mark of prosecution disingenuousness. Prosecutors will know that it has in all probability been obtained by inducements of various kinds (it has never occurred to me that they actually believe it themselves), but will use it when it suits. However, should evidence of a similar nature be available for the defence, then the Crown immediately protest: he’s a convicted man, no one can believe him.
Causley was convicted at Winchester in 1996. His conviction was then quashed at the Court of Appeal in 2003, and a retrial was ordered. In The Nicholas Cases I argue that, in fairness, retrials should take place at the Old Bailey in London. Causley was retried at Exeter. It is 67 miles from Winchester to London and almost twice that distance to Exeter; but the authorities would have wanted an enfeebled case such as this to be heard in prosecution-friendly courts like Winchester and Exeter. Had had he been retried in London, I have no doubt that he would have been acquitted.
On neither occasion did he give evidence himself despite, as I understand it, wanting to. I can, however, appreciate that defence lawyers recognised that Causley, with an abrasive personality and a sharp manner, was not ideal witness-box material. Nor would they have wanted him to be cross-examined about his domestic arrangements in front of the socially conservative juries of the south-west. Again, had the retrial been held in London, I suspect he would have given evidence himself.
Having neglected to consider the trial evidence, MWT instead directs his attentions towards finding a body, or at least some remains. At one point, he has a remarkable conversation with another former police officer:
‘We looked at various places, storm drains’, says the former Dorset police officer. ‘He could have dismembered her and scattered her remains. It’s either that or he’s disposed of her by burning.’
‘Disposal of body by cutting her up, potentially burning the body’, adds MWT, ‘I think both of those have got to be really strong possibilities.’
Subsequently, MWT tells his viewers, ‘I have no doubt, absolutely no doubt, that she died here, she was murdered in this house’.
This is semi-hysterical nonsense for sure, but MWT presses ahead with his investigation. Having brought in equipment to determine the hot spots where burning has occurred in the past, he brings in an osteo-archaeologist and her team to dig up the garden of the Bournemouth house (I do hope that the current occupants were suitably recompensed by ITV) in the hope of finding some of Carole’s remains.
Naturally, this seemed an exercise in futility to vie with Peter Cook’s efforts to teach ravens to fly underwater, and the osteo-archaeologist duly confirmed that their intensive investigations of the garden soil had yielded only animal bone. No human bone at all.
‘This doesn’t mean he didn’t murder her,’ MWT quickly tells the viewers.
The criminal justice system is predicated on the assessment of evidence. That’s the warp and weft; there is nothing without evidence. Here, in effect, MWT is glibly saying that the absence of evidence is immaterial – we know he’s guilty anyway.
This is a second major prosecution deceit: the idea that if an area of investigation doesn’t provide evidence for the Crown, then it somehow falls into a category of non-evidence. In fact, this is all defence evidence, and it is very powerful defence evidence.
Disposing of a body is not easy. Clearly, Causley did not have an acid bath on site. Dismembering or burning the body are, indeed, logical possibilities – but each may well leave behind tell-tale evidence. In this case, there emphatically is none.
The house was not searched by forensic officers until almost a decade later, but it should be remembered that in the Lynette White murder case in Cardiff, forensics officers were able to find incriminating DNA evidence in the room where she was murdered more than a decade later.
Alternatively, had the body been burned, then it is certainly possible that some material would have been left behind – and yet, having conducted the most exhaustive search possible, MWT found nothing at all.
So he cannot glibly say that Causley might still have murdered her. The only point is that Causley’s case was always very strong, and, albeit inadvertently, MWT has actually made it stronger.
Another point needs to be made here. The Dorset police officer points out to MWT, ‘[Causley] had to do something with the body quickly because he still had Sam in the house’.
Once again, key information is being withheld from the viewers. This remark should actually have been: ‘he had to do something with the body quickly because he still had Sam and Trisha in the house’.
When this information is accurately given, it puts everything into a very different context. It is possible (even if highly unlikely) that Causley might have been able to conceal her mother’s remains from his teenage daughter. It is absurd to imagine that he could also conceal them from Trisha.
Given their mindset, MWT and the other former police officers assume that, because Trisha had colluded on the fraud, then she would also collude on the murder. Of course, this does not follow at all; they are wholly different categories of criminality. The idea that Trisha would have simply acquiesced in Carole’s murder seems ludicrous. If it had happened, then she would surely have been sickened by it and would not have stood by him (as she did) for the next 20 years.
The upshot of this (although it is another inescapable feature of the case that MWT ignores) is that Causley would have had scant opportunity to dispose of a body.
So, there is the inevitable question: what has happened to Carole Packham? Well, in the first place, it shouldn’t matter a great deal. There’s no evidence that she’s dead, and there’s an end to it.
The evidence of Brian and Shirley Tizzard, the next-door neighbours, is compelling. They are, after all, independent witnesses who knew her well and whom she visited the day before she disappeared.
‘She told me she was thinking of leaving’, commented Brian Tizzard. ‘She seemed quite calm, quite determined on the path she wanted to take, she wanted to move on with her life.
‘She was a very competent lady and, had she put her mind to it, she probably could have disappeared.’
I was intrigued by the comments of Shirley Tizzard. Asked by MWT what she thought had happened, she responded, ‘Do you want me to be honest? I still have a question-mark in my mind. Did she get away?’
That initial response – do you want me to be honest? – suggests a natural reluctance to challenge the official verdict, and yet she and her husband have the integrity to overcome their inhibitions and give their clear impressions. I’m sure they’re right. Meanwhile, this is more inconvenient evidence for MWT so he simply skates over it.
Had this documentary series been an honest one, then it would have included some general information about missing people in the UK. Approximately 250,000 people go missing each year. Many of those are never found. Creating a new identity may not be difficult. For ‘a very competent lady’, a combination of some fresh paperwork and a trip to the hairdresser’s could suffice.
Should the question be asked, but why hasn’t she come forward? The answer, of course, is that she has. Knowing that the police have disregarded her evidence and pursued a different course entirely might have left her feeling apprehensive about coming forward again. Now, she might fear a perverting the course of justice charge (even though I don’t see how she could be guilty of that). She might have moved abroad and be oblivious of these events; she might in the meantime have died of natural causes.
The point is that all of these are realistic possibilities. If someone disappears, then murder is the least likely explanation of their disappearance not, as some police officers appear to assume, the most likely.
MWT spent almost two parts of this series trying to establish the truth of a confession written by Causley – while concealing from the viewers the key point that Causley had disavowed the confession.
The confession itself did not surprise me. There are three considerations here. The first is that, after 20 years in prison, a prisoner’s mental faculties may understandably deteriorate. The second is the constant pressure they are under to confess to their ‘crime’. They suffer psychological torment, being told again and again that, if they do not confess, they will never be released. It is not surprising that some crack. The third point is that Causley’s mental equilibrium would undoubtedly have been shattered when, in August 2014, Trisha broke off her relationship with him. This finally pushed him over the edge.
‘I would give anything’, he wrote, ‘even now to hear Trish’s voice again, just one more time.’
By the end of the series, MWT has highlighted merely the opposite of what he intended to establish – not that he has the intellectual courage to concede this. His year-long investigation has exposed the absence of any evidence that Causley murdered his wife and, by extension, the intrinsic weaknesses of the UK criminal justice system. Causley has now served 20 years in prison for a murder for which there is simply no bona fide evidence whatever.
This series could well be used by university media departments as a study in how television documentaries seek to mislead and conceal. Had it been attempted in the days when scrupulous standards still applied at ITV, it would have been deemed untransmittable and junked. Bob Woffinden is a former ITV documentaries producer. The Nicholas Cases, which contains chapters on the Glyn Razzell and Gordon Park cases, is available on Amazon and from bookshops https://www.thejusticegap.com/two-trials-three-jailhouse-snitches-four-part-documentary-no-evidence/
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Nicholas on October 28, 2019, 06:26:35 PM
MWT further established that Trisha had impersonated Carole on a visit to a solicitor’s office in order to get her name removed from the title deeds of the Bournemouth house. It was straightforward to unpick this deception; a handwriting expert could tell almost instantly that the signatures did not match.
This was a significant piece of work by MWT, but he failed to make its import clear to viewers. MWT had spoken to local officers about Carole’s disappearance. They all asserted that they’d made the usual thorough inquiries to establish her whereabouts. It was after drawing blanks at every turn that they began to conclude firstly that she was dead and secondly that Causley had murdered her.
We all know the golden rule of investigations (follow the money) and so the fact that the police inquiries into Carole’s disappearance had failed to uncover the title deeds scam merely showed how inept those inquiries must have been.
There are, in fact, three “disappeared wives” cases. They are all drawn from a relatively small geographical area of the south-west. This may indicate merely that the Crown Prosecution Service in these parts is more cavalier in its prosecutions. The other cases are those of John Allen, who sadly died in prison last year, not having had the chance to fulfil his last wish of establishing his innocence, and Glyn Razzell.
I narrated the Razzell case in some detail in The Nicholas Cases and there I make exactly the same point as applies in the Causley case: that although the police claimed to have made strenuous attempts to locate the missing person, in reality those were the most half-hearted inquiries.
Accordingly, the foundation of the prosecution case in each instance – that because of the exhaustive nature of the police inquires, we can say with certainty that the woman must be dead – is simply bogus.
This leads on to a point of huge significance – which is, of course, that when police did try to locate Carole, they succeeded: she went into a police station.
This is a highly inconvenient piece of information for MWT, so how does he deal with it?
‘All it took’, he tells viewers, ‘is for one person to walk into a police station and say she is Carole. No checks made and no questions asked.’
We have already learned both that the officer who dealt with this woman has since died and also that all the relevant files have since been destroyed.
So when MWT blithely says, No checks made and no questions asked – how can he know that? Logically, he can’t.
After all, the officer may indeed have asked a couple of questions to check the woman’s identity, and may also checked with the photograph on the missing person’s file.
Trisha, a natural redhead, did indeed go into a solicitor’s office in what she described as a cheap, blonde wig and pretend to be Carole.
MWT’s inference is obviously that Trisha, or someone, must have impersonated Carole on this occasion also. Yet while Trisha may have felt confident in impersonating Carole in a provincial solicitor’s office, here the circumstances were entirely different.
An impersonator walking into a police station would have had no idea of how thorough the checks were going to be. Officers might well have spent time comparing the file photograph with the actual person. The wearing of a wig may well have been quickly uncovered, and the impersonator unmasked.
Then the consequences could have been disastrous. The impersonator would suffer immediate detention followed by a possible prison sentence. Much more seriously, however, if this was indeed a ploy to pretend that a deceased Carole was actually still alive, then police would be driven to the conclusion that she had been murdered and an investigation would ensue. Such subterfuge could have been so seriously counter-productive that I do not believe anyone would contemplate it.
The key point is not whether or not checks in the police station were made; it is the foreknowledge of a potential impersonator of the likelihood that checks would be made.
Obviously, police witnesses at the subsequent trials would wish to downplay the significance of this evidence, highly favourable to the defence as it is. As with all evidence, it is important to examine the contemporary evidence – as it was viewed at the actual time, and not as it was reinterpreted in later years in the light of what was then thought to be known.
This relatively minor episode becomes more bewildering still, because MWT suddenly says, ‘I’ve established that the woman who spoke to police took a child of a similar age to Sam with her’. He repeats this assertion, saying, ‘I also know that when that person walked in there was a child with them’.
So where has this come from?
It is, at the least, journalistically dishonest. It is unprofessional to put on screen what is asserted to be key evidence while withholding its provenance from the audience. Indeed, it is because we have no idea where it comes from that many would conclude that MWT has just made it up. As before, the same background circumstances apply: the officer has died, the files have been destroyed.
So an analysis of this relatively small area of the case highlights MWT’s style and approach. It is actually a massively important defence point. MWT cannot undermine it so he resorts to unsourced claims (‘I’ve established…’, ‘I also know…’) hoping that viewers won’t notice such journalistic deceptions.
In terms of the case itself, the only point that matters is that that person could have Carole, and that at the time the police were satisfied, by whatever means, that it was Carole. That alone should have been sufficient to secure Causley an acquittal.
By this stage, viewers would surely have been wondering what on earth was the actual evidence on which Causley was convicted. Although The Investigator – A British Crime Story is a bloated and relentlessly repetitive series, MWT finds almost no time to dwell on the evidence that sent Causley to prison to life.
In fact, this is merely another of the elements of dishonesty that characterise the series. Had MWT fully analysed the Crown’s courtroom evidence, then viewers would have realised that the case against Causley at trial was essentially non-existent.
Basically, the trial evidence consisted of the evidence of Samantha, who had been turned wholly against her father by then but who, realistically, could give no evidence of murder; and the evidence of three jailhouse snitches.
Samantha told MWT that, after running away from home in the wake of her mother’s disappearance, she ‘made a statement against my father’. However, he then arrived and coerced her into retracting the statement and making a fresh one. As is usual, MWT provides no supporting evidence at all for this; perhaps there is none. Again, one yearns for information about the actual contemporary evidence, not the evidence as it may have been reshaped in subsequent years.
Jailhouse snitch testimony, when a prisoner claims that another has “confessed” to him, is certainly admissible evidence, but that does not mean that it is acceptable evidence. On the contrary, it is morally repugnant. All prisoners are vulnerable, and a number may perceive advantages and benefits from giving evidence that assists the authorities.
Nevertheless, the jailhouse snitch can help to pull the wool over the eyes of less sophisticated juries. The prosecution may use the evidence of a jailhouse snitch to try to top up a weak court case; sometimes, as in the case of Gordon Park, also described in The Nicholas Cases, there are two jailhouse snitches; to the initiated, that’s a clear sign that the case really is bogus.
Before Causley, I’d never heard of three being used in a case before. From this perspective alone, one can tell that this prosecution case was rotten to the core. Almost inevitably, the evidence of each was at odds with that of the others (one stated that Causley had hacked his wife to death, another that he’d put her in an acid bath, and another that two others had taken away the corpse).
Jailhouse snitch represents a high water mark of prosecution disingenuousness. Prosecutors will know that it has in all probability been obtained by inducements of various kinds (it has never occurred to me that they actually believe it themselves), but will use it when it suits. However, should evidence of a similar nature be available for the defence, then the Crown immediately protest: he’s a convicted man, no one can believe him.
Causley was convicted at Winchester in 1996. His conviction was then quashed at the Court of Appeal in 2003, and a retrial was ordered. In The Nicholas Cases I argue that, in fairness, retrials should take place at the Old Bailey in London. Causley was retried at Exeter. It is 67 miles from Winchester to London and almost twice that distance to Exeter; but the authorities would have wanted an enfeebled case such as this to be heard in prosecution-friendly courts like Winchester and Exeter. Had had he been retried in London, I have no doubt that he would have been acquitted.
On neither occasion did he give evidence himself despite, as I understand it, wanting to. I can, however, appreciate that defence lawyers recognised that Causley, with an abrasive personality and a sharp manner, was not ideal witness-box material. Nor would they have wanted him to be cross-examined about his domestic arrangements in front of the socially conservative juries of the south-west. Again, had the retrial been held in London, I suspect he would have given evidence himself.
Having neglected to consider the trial evidence, MWT instead directs his attentions towards finding a body, or at least some remains. At one point, he has a remarkable conversation with another former police officer:
‘We looked at various places, storm drains’, says the former Dorset police officer. ‘He could have dismembered her and scattered her remains. It’s either that or he’s disposed of her by burning.’
‘Disposal of body by cutting her up, potentially burning the body’, adds MWT, ‘I think both of those have got to be really strong possibilities.’
Subsequently, MWT tells his viewers, ‘I have no doubt, absolutely no doubt, that she died here, she was murdered in this house’.
This is semi-hysterical nonsense for sure, but MWT presses ahead with his investigation. Having brought in equipment to determine the hot spots where burning has occurred in the past, he brings in an osteo-archaeologist and her team to dig up the garden of the Bournemouth house (I do hope that the current occupants were suitably recompensed by ITV) in the hope of finding some of Carole’s remains.
Naturally, this seemed an exercise in futility to vie with Peter Cook’s efforts to teach ravens to fly underwater, and the osteo-archaeologist duly confirmed that their intensive investigations of the garden soil had yielded only animal bone. No human bone at all.
‘This doesn’t mean he didn’t murder her,’ MWT quickly tells the viewers.
The criminal justice system is predicated on the assessment of evidence. That’s the warp and weft; there is nothing without evidence. Here, in effect, MWT is glibly saying that the absence of evidence is immaterial – we know he’s guilty anyway.
This is a second major prosecution deceit: the idea that if an area of investigation doesn’t provide evidence for the Crown, then it somehow falls into a category of non-evidence. In fact, this is all defence evidence, and it is very powerful defence evidence.
Disposing of a body is not easy. Clearly, Causley did not have an acid bath on site. Dismembering or burning the body are, indeed, logical possibilities – but each may well leave behind tell-tale evidence. In this case, there emphatically is none.
The house was not searched by forensic officers until almost a decade later, but it should be remembered that in the Lynette White murder case in Cardiff, forensics officers were able to find incriminating DNA evidence in the room where she was murdered more than a decade later.
Alternatively, had the body been burned, then it is certainly possible that some material would have been left behind – and yet, having conducted the most exhaustive search possible, MWT found nothing at all.
So he cannot glibly say that Causley might still have murdered her. The only point is that Causley’s case was always very strong, and, albeit inadvertently, MWT has actually made it stronger.
Another point needs to be made here. The Dorset police officer points out to MWT, ‘[Causley] had to do something with the body quickly because he still had Sam in the house’.
Once again, key information is being withheld from the viewers. This remark should actually have been: ‘he had to do something with the body quickly because he still had Sam and Trisha in the house’.
When this information is accurately given, it puts everything into a very different context. It is possible (even if highly unlikely) that Causley might have been able to conceal her mother’s remains from his teenage daughter. It is absurd to imagine that he could also conceal them from Trisha.
Given their mindset, MWT and the other former police officers assume that, because Trisha had colluded on the fraud, then she would also collude on the murder. Of course, this does not follow at all; they are wholly different categories of criminality. The idea that Trisha would have simply acquiesced in Carole’s murder seems ludicrous. If it had happened, then she would surely have been sickened by it and would not have stood by him (as she did) for the next 20 years.
The upshot of this (although it is another inescapable feature of the case that MWT ignores) is that Causley would have had scant opportunity to dispose of a body.
So, there is the inevitable question: what has happened to Carole Packham? Well, in the first place, it shouldn’t matter a great deal. There’s no evidence that she’s dead, and there’s an end to it.
The evidence of Brian and Shirley Tizzard, the next-door neighbours, is compelling. They are, after all, independent witnesses who knew her well and whom she visited the day before she disappeared.
‘She told me she was thinking of leaving’, commented Brian Tizzard. ‘She seemed quite calm, quite determined on the path she wanted to take, she wanted to move on with her life.
‘She was a very competent lady and, had she put her mind to it, she probably could have disappeared.’
I was intrigued by the comments of Shirley Tizzard. Asked by MWT what she thought had happened, she responded, ‘Do you want me to be honest? I still have a question-mark in my mind. Did she get away?’
That initial response – do you want me to be honest? – suggests a natural reluctance to challenge the official verdict, and yet she and her husband have the integrity to overcome their inhibitions and give their clear impressions. I’m sure they’re right. Meanwhile, this is more inconvenient evidence for MWT so he simply skates over it.
Had this documentary series been an honest one, then it would have included some general information about missing people in the UK. Approximately 250,000 people go missing each year. Many of those are never found. Creating a new identity may not be difficult. For ‘a very competent lady’, a combination of some fresh paperwork and a trip to the hairdresser’s could suffice.
Should the question be asked, but why hasn’t she come forward? The answer, of course, is that she has. Knowing that the police have disregarded her evidence and pursued a different course entirely might have left her feeling apprehensive about coming forward again. Now, she might fear a perverting the course of justice charge (even though I don’t see how she could be guilty of that). She might have moved abroad and be oblivious of these events; she might in the meantime have died of natural causes.
The point is that all of these are realistic possibilities. If someone disappears, then murder is the least likely explanation of their disappearance not, as some police officers appear to assume, the most likely.
MWT spent almost two parts of this series trying to establish the truth of a confession written by Causley – while concealing from the viewers the key point that Causley had disavowed the confession.
The confession itself did not surprise me. There are three considerations here. The first is that, after 20 years in prison, a prisoner’s mental faculties may understandably deteriorate. The second is the constant pressure they are under to confess to their ‘crime’. They suffer psychological torment, being told again and again that, if they do not confess, they will never be released. It is not surprising that some crack. The third point is that Causley’s mental equilibrium would undoubtedly have been shattered when, in August 2014, Trisha broke off her relationship with him. This finally pushed him over the edge.
‘I would give anything’, he wrote, ‘even now to hear Trish’s voice again, just one more time.’
By the end of the series, MWT has highlighted merely the opposite of what he intended to establish – not that he has the intellectual courage to concede this. His year-long investigation has exposed the absence of any evidence that Causley murdered his wife and, by extension, the intrinsic weaknesses of the UK criminal justice system. Causley has now served 20 years in prison for a murder for which there is simply no bona fide evidence whatever.
This series could well be used by university media departments as a study in how television documentaries seek to mislead and conceal. Had it been attempted in the days when scrupulous standards still applied at ITV, it would have been deemed untransmittable and junked. Bob Woffinden is a former ITV documentaries producer. The Nicholas Cases, which contains chapters on the Glyn Razzell and Gordon Park cases, is available on Amazon and from bookshops https://www.thejusticegap.com/two-trials-three-jailhouse-snitches-four-part-documentary-no-evidence/
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Nicholas on October 28, 2019, 06:35:27 PM
Note Andrew Green’s comment at bottom of above article
Andrew Green says: October 10, 2016 at 8:31 am It’s upsetting to see a pic of this tedious ex-cop every time I go to the home page of The Justice Gap. Please replace it with one of the many more interesting images you have available.
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Nicholas on October 28, 2019, 06:56:31 PM
The Criminal Cases Review Commission has failed by Bob Woffinden 30th November 2010 Set up to investigate miscarriages of justice, the CCRC's poor track record in recent years shows it is little more than a fig leaf
When it was set up in 1997, the Criminal Cases Review Commission was an experiment. It was an idea unique in worldwide criminal justice: an extra-judicial body that could give another chance to cases that had reached the end of the legal road. The time has now come to acknowledge that it was an experiment that failed. The CCRC began work on 1 April 1997. In gauging its overall success, we need first of all to look at its own statistics, according to which its work has led to the quashing of 304 convictions. Taken at face value, this is impressive; looked at more closely, the figure quickly crumbles.
Firstly, the CCRC refers some cases to the court of appeal on the basis of sentence alone. If the sentence is subsequently varied, then the CCRC triumphantly – but inaccurately – marks this down as a "quashed" case, and a success. It also counts as successes cases where alternative convictions are substituted – the most common example being manslaughter for murder. This may be little more than a technical adjustment to the conviction and may make no practical difference to the liberty of the prisoner. Secondly, there is multiple counting. The CCRC rates its success not in terms of individual cases but numbers of convictions. Had the commission ever been tasked with analysing the Birmingham Six and Guildford Four cases, they would have examined two cases but chalked them off as 10 successes. Thirdly, there is the case of Russell Causley, whose case was referred to appeal in 2001. His conviction was quashed at appeal, but the court ordered a retrial and Causley was reconvicted. So he will be sitting in his cell today, still convicted of the same crime that he once persuaded the CCRC to reopen, wondering just how the CCRC can count him as one of its "successes".
Fourthly, and crucially, any examination of the details of the CCRC "successes" reveals that, especially in recent years, the commission has been getting relatively lightweight convictions overturned: dishonestly obtaining a telecommunication service; allowing a dog to be dangerously out of control in a public place; failing to comply with an amended section 215 notice under the Town and Country Planning Act; cheating HM Revenue and Customs contrary to common law; and, that old chestnut, keeping a disorderly house. Those wrongly convicted in these and other similar cases are doubtless eternally grateful to the CCRC for helping to restore their reputations. But no one should pretend that such low-level injustices precipitated the creation of the CCRC. It was set up because of wrongful convictions in major cases, especially murder cases, that were being rejected at the court of appeal. In its early years, the CCRC was valuable and productive: the hiatus while it was being established meant there was a build-up of compelling cases, some of which had been part-worked on at the Home Office; and the CCRC began with an altruistic impulse and some highly motivated commissioners, such as the late Dr James MacKeith, the forensic psychiatrist, and the commercial lawyer Laurie Elks.
However, if we look at the CCRC's performance in major cases in England and Wales since the start of 2005, we get a very different statistic. In that period, the CCRC has successfully referred seven major cases to appeal. That's all. Seven. In fact, even this meagre tally overstates the CCRC's performance level. One of these cases was that of Sean Hodgson, whose legal team had the brilliant idea of bypassing the CCRC altogether. They took it straight to the police and prosecution, who discovered that the DNA on the victim's body was not Hodgson's and said the appeal would not be contested. So the CCRC was presented with a fait accompli – which did not, of course, prevent it from listing the case as one of its "successes". Yet had the lawyers simply submitted the case to the CCRC, Hodgson would still be in prison. Then there was the case of Barry George (wrongly convicted of murdering the television presenter Jill Dando), which half the country recognised as a miscarriage of justice.
Another was that of Patrick Nolan. This was a confession-made-under-duress case, of the kind that the appeal court had been quashing convictions in for at least 10 years. Any competent body could probably have dealt with it in a couple of months, rather than the more than five years it took the CCRC. One case I can't tell you about, because the legal process is ongoing. The three remaining cases are those of Andrew Adams, which took the CCRC seven years to refer; the Victor Boreham and Michael and Malcolm Byrne case; and the Ian Lawless case, all of which were piloted to appeal by first-class lawyers (respectively, Ben Rose, Maslen Merchant and Mark Newby). By my reckoning, six cases are yet to be heard, including the Simon Hall case, which goes to appeal in a couple of weeks. During this time, there have been referrals of 10 other cases that have failed at appeal. They include the cases of Michael Attwooll and John Roden; Robert Kennedy; and David Shale. These are all meritorious cases and so the injustice remains unaddressed.
Although we have no idea of the true number of miscarriages of justice that should be being rectified, I can put it in perspective by pointing out that there are at least 100 contentious murder convictions being analysed by justice groups throughout the country. A host of cases – the convictions of Jeremy Bamber (originally flagged as a miscarriage of justice by the Guardian in November 1993), Susan May, Mark Stonerseed, Warren Slaney, Karl Watson and Eddie Gilfoyle et al – predate the CCRC and, all these years later, are still awaiting resolution. The complaints are that the CCRC has become characterised by pusillanimity and procrastination. It is taking far too long to evaluate cases; it is not referring the cases it should; and even where it does refer convictions, its poor case analysis leads to poor appeals. The government did look at the CCRC in the comprehensive spending review, but it survived. After all, it has become a highly expedient mechanism. It allows ministers to deflect all questions about, and accordingly blame for, miscarriages of justice and the malfunctioning of the judicial system. Probably that's its main residual function: as a fig leaf.
• Bob Woffinden will be one of the speakers at a public meeting in the House of Commons: Is the CCRC fit for purpose[/b]
In what way do you mean “they must be rubbing their hands?”
WESTMINSTER COMMISSION ON MISCARRIAGES OF JUSTICE TRANSCRIPT OF THIRD EVIDENCE SESSION – ACADEMICS 3 September 2019
Carolyn Hoyle stated: “Having people with a background in finance is quite interesting and quite helpful, too. Not least, don’t forget, some of the Commissioners sit on the board, also they have to manage this organisation in the way that any organisation getting money from the government must do – it must be accountable to its funders. So, there are other skill sets there. And then there have been journalists on the Commission before – people like David Jessel – who bring investigative skills to look at the cases in detail. https://appgmiscarriagesofjustice.files.wordpress.com/2019/10/session-3-academics-4.pdf
”Now we had a perception from interviewing screening Commissioners that they were doing things quite differently. So, we looked at all the screening over a period of 15 years. We looked at all of those cases that came in and who screened what, in or out. So, if you take screening as a dichotomous variable, you either screen a case in for a full review, or you screen it out, and the applicant gets a letter saying ‘nothing happening here’. We found vast variability. One screening Commissioner was pushing through about 50% of cases – about half the applications that were screened by him went to full review. Another Commissioner screened in about 4%. And then there was a whole series of people in between. This data caused them enormous anxiety, as you would imagine it would, because we said to them ‘here is very hard, quantitative, empirical data, that is robust, to show variability at that crucial triage stage’.
“Now, some of them will be innocent, but many of them will not, and you really can't tell from a lot of those applications.
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Nicholas on October 28, 2019, 10:29:05 PM
The Criminal Cases Review Commission has failed by Bob Woffinden 30th November 2010 Set up to investigate miscarriages of justice, the CCRC's poor track record in recent years shows it is little more than a fig leaf
When it was set up in 1997, the Criminal Cases Review Commission was an experiment. It was an idea unique in worldwide criminal justice: an extra-judicial body that could give another chance to cases that had reached the end of the legal road. The time has now come to acknowledge that it was an experiment that failed. The CCRC began work on 1 April 1997. In gauging its overall success, we need first of all to look at its own statistics, according to which its work has led to the quashing of 304 convictions. Taken at face value, this is impressive; looked at more closely, the figure quickly crumbles.
Firstly, the CCRC refers some cases to the court of appeal on the basis of sentence alone. If the sentence is subsequently varied, then the CCRC triumphantly – but inaccurately – marks this down as a "quashed" case, and a success. It also counts as successes cases where alternative convictions are substituted – the most common example being manslaughter for murder. This may be little more than a technical adjustment to the conviction and may make no practical difference to the liberty of the prisoner. Secondly, there is multiple counting. The CCRC rates its success not in terms of individual cases but numbers of convictions. Had the commission ever been tasked with analysing the Birmingham Six and Guildford Four cases, they would have examined two cases but chalked them off as 10 successes. Thirdly, there is the case of Russell Causley, whose case was referred to appeal in 2001. His conviction was quashed at appeal, but the court ordered a retrial and Causley was reconvicted. So he will be sitting in his cell today, still convicted of the same crime that he once persuaded the CCRC to reopen, wondering just how the CCRC can count him as one of its "successes".
Fourthly, and crucially, any examination of the details of the CCRC "successes" reveals that, especially in recent years, the commission has been getting relatively lightweight convictions overturned: dishonestly obtaining a telecommunication service; allowing a dog to be dangerously out of control in a public place; failing to comply with an amended section 215 notice under the Town and Country Planning Act; cheating HM Revenue and Customs contrary to common law; and, that old chestnut, keeping a disorderly house. Those wrongly convicted in these and other similar cases are doubtless eternally grateful to the CCRC for helping to restore their reputations. But no one should pretend that such low-level injustices precipitated the creation of the CCRC. It was set up because of wrongful convictions in major cases, especially murder cases, that were being rejected at the court of appeal. In its early years, the CCRC was valuable and productive: the hiatus while it was being established meant there was a build-up of compelling cases, some of which had been part-worked on at the Home Office; and the CCRC began with an altruistic impulse and some highly motivated commissioners, such as the late Dr James MacKeith, the forensic psychiatrist, and the commercial lawyer Laurie Elks.
However, if we look at the CCRC's performance in major cases in England and Wales since the start of 2005, we get a very different statistic. In that period, the CCRC has successfully referred seven major cases to appeal. That's all. Seven. In fact, even this meagre tally overstates the CCRC's performance level. One of these cases was that of Sean Hodgson, whose legal team had the brilliant idea of bypassing the CCRC altogether. They took it straight to the police and prosecution, who discovered that the DNA on the victim's body was not Hodgson's and said the appeal would not be contested. So the CCRC was presented with a fait accompli – which did not, of course, prevent it from listing the case as one of its "successes". Yet had the lawyers simply submitted the case to the CCRC, Hodgson would still be in prison. Then there was the case of Barry George (wrongly convicted of murdering the television presenter Jill Dando), which half the country recognised as a miscarriage of justice.
Another was that of Patrick Nolan. This was a confession-made-under-duress case, of the kind that the appeal court had been quashing convictions in for at least 10 years. Any competent body could probably have dealt with it in a couple of months, rather than the more than five years it took the CCRC. One case I can't tell you about, because the legal process is ongoing. The three remaining cases are those of Andrew Adams, which took the CCRC seven years to refer; the Victor Boreham and Michael and Malcolm Byrne case; and the Ian Lawless case, all of which were piloted to appeal by first-class lawyers (respectively, Ben Rose, Maslen Merchant and Mark Newby). By my reckoning, six cases are yet to be heard, including the Simon Hall case, which goes to appeal in a couple of weeks. During this time, there have been referrals of 10 other cases that have failed at appeal. They include the cases of Michael Attwooll and John Roden; Robert Kennedy; and David Shale. These are all meritorious cases and so the injustice remains unaddressed.
Although we have no idea of the true number of miscarriages of justice that should be being rectified, I can put it in perspective by pointing out that there are at least 100 contentious murder convictions being analysed by justice groups throughout the country. A host of cases – the convictions of Jeremy Bamber (originally flagged as a miscarriage of justice by the Guardian in November 1993), Susan May, Mark Stonerseed, Warren Slaney, Karl Watson and Eddie Gilfoyle et al – predate the CCRC and, all these years later, are still awaiting resolution. The complaints are that the CCRC has become characterised by pusillanimity and procrastination. It is taking far too long to evaluate cases; it is not referring the cases it should; and even where it does refer convictions, its poor case analysis leads to poor appeals. The government did look at the CCRC in the comprehensive spending review, but it survived. After all, it has become a highly expedient mechanism. It allows ministers to deflect all questions about, and accordingly blame for, miscarriages of justice and the malfunctioning of the judicial system. Probably that's its main residual function: as a fig leaf.
• Bob Woffinden will be one of the speakers at a public meeting in the House of Commons: Is the CCRC fit for purpose[/b]
Carolyn Hoyle (page 3) “That said, there have been criticisms of the Commission that it is ‘not fit for purpose’. We've all heard that expression being used. First, that expression is meaningless because if you ask the Commission what its purpose is, if you ask the Court of Appeal what its purpose is, if you ask a campaigner, if you ask an applicant and so on and so forth, they will all have very different answers, so it's a meaningless expression https://appgmiscarriagesofjustice.files.wordpress.com/2019/10/session-3-academics-4.pdf
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WESTMINSTER COMMISSION ON MISCARRIAGES OF JUSTICE TRANSCRIPT OF THIRD EVIDENCE SESSION – ACADEMICS 3 September 2019
Carolyn Hoyle stated: “Having people with a background in finance is quite interesting and quite helpful, too. Not least, don’t forget, some of the Commissioners sit on the board, also they have to manage this organisation in the way that any organisation getting money from the government must do – it must be accountable to its funders. So, there are other skill sets there. And then there have been journalists on the Commission before – people like David Jessel – who bring investigative skills to look at the cases in detail. https://appgmiscarriagesofjustice.files.wordpress.com/2019/10/session-3-academics-4.pdf
”Now we had a perception from interviewing screening Commissioners that they were doing things quite differently. So, we looked at all the screening over a period of 15 years. We looked at all of those cases that came in and who screened what, in or out. So, if you take screening as a dichotomous variable, you either screen a case in for a full review, or you screen it out, and the applicant gets a letter saying ‘nothing happening here’. We found vast variability. One screening Commissioner was pushing through about 50% of cases – about half the applications that were screened by him went to full review. Another Commissioner screened in about 4%. And then there was a whole series of people in between. This data caused them enormous anxiety, as you would imagine it would, because we said to them ‘here is very hard, quantitative, empirical data, that is robust, to show variability at that crucial triage stage’.
“Now, some of them will be innocent, but many of them will not, and you really can't tell from a lot of those applications.
Righting wrongs Too many cases, too few resources and no room for complacency – John Curtis reports on the Criminal Cases Review Commission state of play.
21 November 2014 marked the 40th anniversary of the Birmingham Pub Bombings: a chain of events that led to the deaths of 21 people, 182 serious woundings, the incarceration of the Birmingham Six, their release from prison some 19 years later and the recognition that miscarriages of justice were a reality of Britain’s justice system.
The case, coupled with several others and with the work of BBC’s Rough Justice programme, impelled Parliament to confront the issue and to establish the Criminal Cases Review Commission (CCRC). Decisions about cases that had already been unsuccessfully appealed were transferred from the political
prerogative of the Home Secretary to the new, independent body constituted of lay and legal Commissioners. The Criminal Appeal Act 1995 confers on the CCRC a range of investigative powers and requires the Court of Appeal Criminal Division to hear the Commission’s references as fresh appeals. Now in its 17th operational year, the Commission’s work covers cases from England, Wales and Northern Ireland with a separate counterpart in Scotland. As an inquisitorial body within an adversarial system, the CCRC occupies a unique and influential position.
Hosted at UCL’s Judicial Institute in central London and chaired by investigative journalist David Rose, the CCRC’s recent conference for stakeholders provided an opportunity for reflecting on progress and identifying the challenges. Delegates represented the Police, Crown Prosecution Service, miscarriage of justice campaign groups, solicitors and the Bar, together with judges, academics and students with interest in wrongful convictions.
Court of Appeal support
Lord Justice Treacy gave the opening speech. As Chair of the Sentencing Council, his Lordship acknowledged that “the task of any responsible and civilised legal system is to develop mechanisms designed to minimise miscarriages of justice”. He explained that the Court of Appeal’s approach to “fresh evidence” is governed by legislation that provides a “checklist” of elements for the court to consider including its “admissibility” and the reasons why such evidence was not produced at trial. However, as the Lord Justice explained: “In recent years there has been very clear recognition by the court that the factors in the checklist are subordinate to an overall test of what is necessary and expedient in the interests of justice.” His Lordship was a strong supporter of the CCRC, commending the Commission’s sensitivity when interviewing jurors for investigations carried out on behalf of the court and noting that, “in making references, the Commission focuses with a degree of realism on the points which can properly be argued”. On behalf of the court, Treacy LJ said: “We value very highly the work done by the Commission and we wish it well for the future.”
Funding and investigation concerns
Richard Foster, the CCRC’s third and current Chairman, saw no room for complacency, telling the conference: “Although the criminal justice system has improved considerably in recent years, we see no reduction in the level of miscarriages – we refer about one case a fortnight.” The majority of those are quashed. Foster reflected on the organisation’s early days and current challenges. In 1997, his predecessor had stated that the Commission had “too many cases and too few resources”. That refrain has not changed. Since the pioneering period, policies and practices have been developed from scratch and application volumes have risen dramatically, partly because of the introduction of an “Easy Read” application form to cater for low literacy levels in prison. Funding has been dramatically reduced and although process improvements have yielded efficiency gains, thoroughness cannot be sacrificed for speed.
Foster warned that without more resources, queues would only lengthen and miscarriages would risk going undetected. January 2015 sees a Justice Select Committee inquiry into the Commission’s work, where the CCRC Chairman said he would repeat his view that the Commission now needs an uplift of £1m to its £5.5m budget to function effectively. Of equal concern was the erosion of the CCRC’s investigative powers. The Commission is able to obtain material from public bodies through Statutory Notices but the power does not currently extend to private bodies. With privatisation and the migration of public services to the “third” sector, the distinction is becoming blurred. Increasingly organisations, including forensic providers, care homes and welfare services, hesitate or decline to provide assistance to the Commission as they are fearful of breaching data protection laws. Successive governments have promised legislation to remedy this but none has done so, leading Foster to ask: “What more is needed to get passed into legislation something which enjoys all-party support, would save money, improve the administration of justice and, crucially, help us to right wrongs which would otherwise go uncorrected?”
Critical perspectives
Mick Creedon, Chief Constable of Derbyshire, gave a perspective on the changing nature of police investigations with digital technology, electronic surveillance and regulation through the Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984, Criminal Procedure and Investigations Act 1996, Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000 and the European Convention on Human Rights. Creedon explained: “We now have pieces of legislation that dictate what happens at every stage of the criminal justice process, at what time it happens, and to whom it happens.” He also candidly acknowledged that disclosure presented and continues to present major issues, but pointed to the differing public perception of convictions overturned because of evidence that suggested innocence and defective processes where “loopholes” were exploited. The Chief Constable also spoke out for victims and witnesses, emphasising the importance of ensuring that they were treated with dignity and properly protected. Ultimately, he said, “no witnesses could only mean no justice”.
The afternoon gave a more critical perspective with solicitor Mark Newby urging the CCRC to undertake more proactive reviews, to challenge the Police and to search for evidence rather than to accept assurances that it had been lost or had never existed. This was important in historic sex abuse cases and Newby cited cases where it was established that defendants were innocent of allegations of child abuse, a subject that Conference Chair, David Rose described as being one of society’s few remaining taboos. Newby also drew attention to the plight of Victor Nealon. He was released in June 2014 after 17 years’ imprisonment. It was on the third application to the Commission that his case was referred to the Court of Appeal which quashed the conviction due to fresh DNA evidence. He was discharged with £46 but no address at which he could stay, and the Ministry of Justice has refused his claim for compensation.
Newby’s concerns on reviews were echoed by Professor Carolyn Hoyle of Oxford University. Professor Hoyle is leading an externally funded research project covering the Commission’s investigative and decision-making processes. The CCRC has facilitated access to its archives and open interviews with personnel. Hoyle’s initial findings suggest some differences between the CCRC’s investigators. Some appear to be more prepared to go “beyond the bundle” than others, to ask questions, or to conduct crime scene visits, or to speak with those connected with the case be they experts, representatives or police officers.
Value of pro bono
In panel discussions, the Commission responded with contributions from staff explaining that investigations and interviews were determined by evidential value and that references are made whenever the statutory test is met. The Commission also commended the pro bono work done by professionals, law clinics and university projects in assisting applicants to assemble information and to highlight lines of inquiry.
Aspiration
The Commission’s contribution to society is important. Miscarriages of justice remain a reality, as are the challenges to the organisation charged with their investigation. The CCRC Chairman’s concluding words provide an apt statement of aspiration: “We can’t know whether a particular person is telling the truth or not. We do not know whether they committed the crime they are accused of or not.” But, he said, people are entitled to be taken seriously when they approach the CCRC claiming to have been the victim of a miscarriage of justice. “Detailed, thorough, impartial investigation may confirm what they are saying – or it may tell us otherwise. But the possibility that what they are saying may indeed be the truth must always, always be our starting point. How different might the case of the Birmingham Six have been had it been approached from the beginning in that spirit?”
Features, Law in Practice Issue: January 2015 Author details: John Curtis John was Called to the Bar in 1996. He works at the Criminal Cases Review Commission investigating potential miscarriages of justice. He was a panellist at the Commission’s recent stakeholder event. https://www.counselmagazine.co.uk/articles/righting-wrongs
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Righting wrongs Too many cases, too few resources and no room for complacency – John Curtis reports on the Criminal Cases Review Commission state of play.
21 November 2014 marked the 40th anniversary of the Birmingham Pub Bombings: a chain of events that led to the deaths of 21 people, 182 serious woundings, the incarceration of the Birmingham Six, their release from prison some 19 years later and the recognition that miscarriages of justice were a reality of Britain’s justice system.
The case, coupled with several others and with the work of BBC’s Rough Justice programme, impelled Parliament to confront the issue and to establish the Criminal Cases Review Commission (CCRC). Decisions about cases that had already been unsuccessfully appealed were transferred from the political
prerogative of the Home Secretary to the new, independent body constituted of lay and legal Commissioners. The Criminal Appeal Act 1995 confers on the CCRC a range of investigative powers and requires the Court of Appeal Criminal Division to hear the Commission’s references as fresh appeals. Now in its 17th operational year, the Commission’s work covers cases from England, Wales and Northern Ireland with a separate counterpart in Scotland. As an inquisitorial body within an adversarial system, the CCRC occupies a unique and influential position.
Hosted at UCL’s Judicial Institute in central London and chaired by investigative journalist David Rose, the CCRC’s recent conference for stakeholders provided an opportunity for reflecting on progress and identifying the challenges. Delegates represented the Police, Crown Prosecution Service, miscarriage of justice campaign groups, solicitors and the Bar, together with judges, academics and students with interest in wrongful convictions.
Court of Appeal support
Lord Justice Treacy gave the opening speech. As Chair of the Sentencing Council, his Lordship acknowledged that “the task of any responsible and civilised legal system is to develop mechanisms designed to minimise miscarriages of justice”. He explained that the Court of Appeal’s approach to “fresh evidence” is governed by legislation that provides a “checklist” of elements for the court to consider including its “admissibility” and the reasons why such evidence was not produced at trial. However, as the Lord Justice explained: “In recent years there has been very clear recognition by the court that the factors in the checklist are subordinate to an overall test of what is necessary and expedient in the interests of justice.” His Lordship was a strong supporter of the CCRC, commending the Commission’s sensitivity when interviewing jurors for investigations carried out on behalf of the court and noting that, “in making references, the Commission focuses with a degree of realism on the points which can properly be argued”. On behalf of the court, Treacy LJ said: “We value very highly the work done by the Commission and we wish it well for the future.”
Funding and investigation concerns
Richard Foster, the CCRC’s third and current Chairman, saw no room for complacency, telling the conference: “Although the criminal justice system has improved considerably in recent years, we see no reduction in the level of miscarriages – we refer about one case a fortnight.” The majority of those are quashed. Foster reflected on the organisation’s early days and current challenges. In 1997, his predecessor had stated that the Commission had “too many cases and too few resources”. That refrain has not changed. Since the pioneering period, policies and practices have been developed from scratch and application volumes have risen dramatically, partly because of the introduction of an “Easy Read” application form to cater for low literacy levels in prison. Funding has been dramatically reduced and although process improvements have yielded efficiency gains, thoroughness cannot be sacrificed for speed.
Foster warned that without more resources, queues would only lengthen and miscarriages would risk going undetected. January 2015 sees a Justice Select Committee inquiry into the Commission’s work, where the CCRC Chairman said he would repeat his view that the Commission now needs an uplift of £1m to its £5.5m budget to function effectively. Of equal concern was the erosion of the CCRC’s investigative powers. The Commission is able to obtain material from public bodies through Statutory Notices but the power does not currently extend to private bodies. With privatisation and the migration of public services to the “third” sector, the distinction is becoming blurred. Increasingly organisations, including forensic providers, care homes and welfare services, hesitate or decline to provide assistance to the Commission as they are fearful of breaching data protection laws. Successive governments have promised legislation to remedy this but none has done so, leading Foster to ask: “What more is needed to get passed into legislation something which enjoys all-party support, would save money, improve the administration of justice and, crucially, help us to right wrongs which would otherwise go uncorrected?”
Critical perspectives
Mick Creedon, Chief Constable of Derbyshire, gave a perspective on the changing nature of police investigations with digital technology, electronic surveillance and regulation through the Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984, Criminal Procedure and Investigations Act 1996, Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000 and the European Convention on Human Rights. Creedon explained: “We now have pieces of legislation that dictate what happens at every stage of the criminal justice process, at what time it happens, and to whom it happens.” He also candidly acknowledged that disclosure presented and continues to present major issues, but pointed to the differing public perception of convictions overturned because of evidence that suggested innocence and defective processes where “loopholes” were exploited. The Chief Constable also spoke out for victims and witnesses, emphasising the importance of ensuring that they were treated with dignity and properly protected. Ultimately, he said, “no witnesses could only mean no justice”.
The afternoon gave a more critical perspective with solicitor Mark Newby urging the CCRC to undertake more proactive reviews, to challenge the Police and to search for evidence rather than to accept assurances that it had been lost or had never existed. This was important in historic sex abuse cases and Newby cited cases where it was established that defendants were innocent of allegations of child abuse, a subject that Conference Chair, David Rose described as being one of society’s few remaining taboos. Newby also drew attention to the plight of Victor Nealon. He was released in June 2014 after 17 years’ imprisonment. It was on the third application to the Commission that his case was referred to the Court of Appeal which quashed the conviction due to fresh DNA evidence. He was discharged with £46 but no address at which he could stay, and the Ministry of Justice has refused his claim for compensation.
Newby’s concerns on reviews were echoed by Professor Carolyn Hoyle of Oxford University. Professor Hoyle is leading an externally funded research project covering the Commission’s investigative and decision-making processes. The CCRC has facilitated access to its archives and open interviews with personnel. Hoyle’s initial findings suggest some differences between the CCRC’s investigators. Some appear to be more prepared to go “beyond the bundle” than others, to ask questions, or to conduct crime scene visits, or to speak with those connected with the case be they experts, representatives or police officers.
Value of pro bono
In panel discussions, the Commission responded with contributions from staff explaining that investigations and interviews were determined by evidential value and that references are made whenever the statutory test is met. The Commission also commended the pro bono work done by professionals, law clinics and university projects in assisting applicants to assemble information and to highlight lines of inquiry.
Aspiration
The Commission’s contribution to society is important. Miscarriages of justice remain a reality, as are the challenges to the organisation charged with their investigation. The CCRC Chairman’s concluding words provide an apt statement of aspiration: “We can’t know whether a particular person is telling the truth or not. We do not know whether they committed the crime they are accused of or not.” But, he said, people are entitled to be taken seriously when they approach the CCRC claiming to have been the victim of a miscarriage of justice. “Detailed, thorough, impartial investigation may confirm what they are saying – or it may tell us otherwise. But the possibility that what they are saying may indeed be the truth must always, always be our starting point. How different might the case of the Birmingham Six have been had it been approached from the beginning in that spirit?”
Features, Law in Practice Issue: January 2015 Author details: John Curtis John was Called to the Bar in 1996. He works at the Criminal Cases Review Commission investigating potential miscarriages of justice. He was a panellist at the Commission’s recent stakeholder event. https://www.counselmagazine.co.uk/articles/righting-wrongs
“Mr Creedon said he was ordered to limit his inquiries into the MP, now Lord Janner of Braunstone.
He was forbidden from arresting the politician or searching his home, despite ‘credible evidence’ that warranted further investigation. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2770235/Police-told-limit-abuse-probe-MP.html
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“Mr Creedon said he was ordered to limit his inquiries into the MP, now Lord Janner of Braunstone.
He was forbidden from arresting the politician or searching his home, despite ‘credible evidence’ that warranted further investigation. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2770235/Police-told-limit-abuse-probe-MP.html
Don Hale OBE @perryscope21 Apr 16, 2015 Who ordered Mick Creedon NOT to arrest Janner? https://twitter.com/IrkHudson/status/588689019476779008
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Post by: Nicholas on October 29, 2019, 02:17:07 PM
I doubt it will be the kind of name he expected. He's supposed to be a 'hotshot' in respect to MOJ's but he must know this case and realise that the so called 'compelling' evidence is nothing of the sort. CCRC must be rubbing their hands!
I’ve posted this link previously on the forum but it might be worth listening to Carolyn Hoyle’s talk on her book about the CCRC
The link to the talk is just under the first para.
Am only half way through but already there are many more clues..
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Post by: Nicholas on October 29, 2019, 07:50:56 PM
Mark Newby, Mike Naughton, Dennis Eady & Glyn Maddocks, Carolyn Hoyle, Carole McCartney and Josephine Hodgson giving evidence at the justice committee 13th Jan 2015
I doubt it will be the kind of name he expected. He's supposed to be a 'hotshot' in respect to MOJ's but he must know this case and realise that the so called 'compelling' evidence is nothing of the sort. CCRC must be rubbing their hands!
Anything's possibly with the CCRC; let’s not forget the Simon Hall case referral.
And the Dwayne George case.
“Dwayne, who had always protested his innocence, had the good fortune to write to and involve the Innocence Project at Cardiff University. Over successive years volunteering law students studied the case, and considered various avenues which might lead to the overturning of the conviction. The case of Barry George [2007] EWCA Crim 2722 with its staunch criticisms of the standards which had applied to gun shot residue evidence, and its recognition of the important revision of those standards under the auspices of the FSS and in particular their lead scientist Angela Shaw, led to the students securing the services of a firearms expert to write a report on the impact of the Barry George decision on Dwayne George’s case. Detailed submissions to the CCRC were prepared by the many students, into all aspects of the case. Impressed by the work involved the CCRC themselves commissioned Angela Shaw to write a report on the GSR findings in the case, and the approach which had been adopted to them. As a result the Commission referred the case back to the Court of Appeal. http://doughty-street-chambers.newsweaver.com/Appeals/1cisha3cvxh?a=1&p=456442&t=174031
Conclusion 54. Having admitted the evidence of Ms Shaw, we have concluded that it might reasonably have affected the decision of the trial jury so that these convictions are no longer safe; in the circumstances, the appeal is allowed and the convictions quashed. In addition to expressing our gratitude to the Criminal Cases Review Commission, we pay tribute to the work of the Innocence Project and Pro Bono Unit at Cardiff Law School, which took up the appellant’s case and pursued it so diligently. https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/r-v-dwaine-george.pdf
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Mark Newby, Mike Naughton, Dennis Eady & Glyn Maddocks, Carolyn Hoyle, Carole McCartney and Josephine Hodgson giving evidence at the justice committee 13th Jan 2015
6. We have received some evidence highlighting the effects of both the existing provisions regarding the admissibility of fresh evidence to the Court of Appeal, which generally requires it not to have been available at trial, and of the requirements necessary for a victim of a miscarriage of justice to obtain compensation, under which the person must prove beyond reasonable doubt that they did not commit the offence. Both of these issues fall outside the terms of reference of this inquiry, but it has been drawn to our attention that there is widespread concern that they are having an unjust effect. There may therefore be some benefit in these being reviewed by our successor Committee in the next Parliament.
7. In the course of our inquiry we received 47 written submissions and we held four oral evidence sessions, hearing from
Glyn Maddocks and Mark Newby, solicitors, Dr Dennis Eady, Case Consultant, Cardiff University Law School Innocence Project, and Dr Michael Naughton, Director, University of Bristol Innocence Project; Professor Jacqueline Hodgson, University of Warwick School of Law, Professor Carolyn Hoyle, Centre for Criminology, University of Oxford, and Dr Carole McCartney, Northumbria University School of Law; Lord Runciman, Chair, and Professor Michael Zander QC, Member, Royal Commission on Criminal Justice; Paul May and Bob Woffinden; Richard Foster, Chair, and Karen Kneller, Chief Executive, CCRC; and Rt Hon Mike Penning MP, Minister of State for Policing, Criminal Justice and Victims, and Stephen Muers, Director for Sentencing and Rehabilitation, Ministry of Justice.
Towards the conclusion of the inquiry we received an offer from the former Lord Chief Justice, Lord Judge, to give oral evidence; unfortunately we were unable to take him up on his offer because of a lack of available time, but he subsequently submitted written evidence to the inquiry. We are grateful to all those who gave written and oral evidence to us in this inquiry. https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201415/cmselect/cmjust/850/85004.htm
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Post by: Nicholas on October 31, 2019, 06:31:31 PM
Anything's possibly with the CCRC; let’s not forget the Simon Hall case referral.
And the Dwayne George case.
“Dwayne, who had always protested his innocence, had the good fortune to write to and involve the Innocence Project at Cardiff University. Over successive years volunteering law students studied the case, and considered various avenues which might lead to the overturning of the conviction. The case of Barry George [2007] EWCA Crim 2722 with its staunch criticisms of the standards which had applied to gun shot residue evidence, and its recognition of the important revision of those standards under the auspices of the FSS and in particular their lead scientist Angela Shaw, led to the students securing the services of a firearms expert to write a report on the impact of the Barry George decision on Dwayne George’s case. Detailed submissions to the CCRC were prepared by the many students, into all aspects of the case. Impressed by the work involved the CCRC themselves commissioned Angela Shaw to write a report on the GSR findings in the case, and the approach which had been adopted to them. As a result the Commission referred the case back to the Court of Appeal. http://doughty-street-chambers.newsweaver.com/Appeals/1cisha3cvxh?a=1&p=456442&t=174031
Conclusion 54. Having admitted the evidence of Ms Shaw, we have concluded that it might reasonably have affected the decision of the trial jury so that these convictions are no longer safe; in the circumstances, the appeal is allowed and the convictions quashed. In addition to expressing our gratitude to the Criminal Cases Review Commission, we pay tribute to the work of the Innocence Project and Pro Bono Unit at Cardiff Law School, which took up the appellant’s case and pursued it so diligently. https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/r-v-dwaine-george.pdf
Ex-gang member Dwaine George cleared of 2002 murder on appeal Presiding judge Sir Brian Leveson said the conviction was "no longer safe" and praised the students' "diligent" work. Mr George was a member of the Cheetham Hill gang and was convicted on the basis of particles of gunshot residue. He appealed against the conviction in 2004, but failed on that occasion, and was released on licence from prison after 12 years. The students were working for the Innocence Project, which was set up to represent people it believes were wrongly convicted. Sir Brian, president of the Queen's Bench Division, expressed "gratitude" to the Criminal Cases Review Commission (CCRC), which referred Mr George's case to the court. He also thanked the Cardiff Law School students, who "took up the appellant's case and pursued it so diligently". https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-30395753
Sir Brian Leveson warns crimes are not being prosecuted “The most senior criminal judge in England and Wales has expressed "enormous concern" that many crimes are not being prosecuted. "It is very, very concerning that citizens suffer wrongs and are not obtaining redress through the criminal courts," he said. "The criminal courts are a critical part of our society and they are the way that society reflects the minimum standards of behaviour which it requires of all its citizens and therefore it is an enormous concern that crimes are not being detected and crimes are not being prosecuted," he added.
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Post by: Nicholas on November 05, 2019, 11:03:50 AM
An argument for reforming the Court of Appeal By Glyn Maddocks 4 November 2019 Today, it is now widely accepted that the criminal justice system in this country is, to use the words of Mark George QC, facing a ‘perfect storm’. Overzealous governments have produced legislation by the bucketload aimed exclusively at increasing the conviction rate while simultaneously and savagely destroying the court service, the CPS, the police and the legal aid system. This has led to prisons being full to breaking point. As Polly Toynbee recently said in the Guardian: ‘The tottering edifice is only kept going by the super human goodwill of the dwindling members operating within it.’
Over a period of a few years the criminal justice system has been systematically devalued and the once robust and independent structure which valued human rights and the rule of law is rapidly being destroyed. In the last seven years, the Ministry of Justice’s budget has been cut by 38% – the deepest cuts of any government department. This is unsustainable when all involved are required to do more for less. Former director of public prosecutions Lord Macdonald waded in recently by graphically describing the system we are left with as demoralised, denuded and chronically malnourished.
Investigating miscarriages
In 2017, a group of parliamentarians established the All Party Parliamentary Group on Miscarriages of Justice (APPGMJ). During its first two years, it has grown in strength and expertise and has been very busy and held many events. But of most significance, the APPGMJ has established a Westminster Commission on Miscarriages of Justice (WCMJ) with a brief to investigate the ability of the criminal justice system to identify and rectify miscarriages of justice. Following the model of a select committee this commission has as its co-chairs, Baroness Stern, president of the Association of Members of Independent Monitoring Boards, and Lord Garnier QC, a former solicitor general. They have been joined by Dame Anne Owers, former chief inspector of prisons; Michelle Nelson QC, barrister; Dr Philip Joseph, consultant forensic psychiatrist; and Erwin James, editor-in-chief of the prisoners’ newspaper Inside Time. I act as the commission’s special adviser and it has been fortunate to receive generous support from Simpson Thacher and Garden Court Chambers.
So far, the commission has heard evidence from Helen Pitcher, chair of the Criminal Cases Review Commission, and its chief executive, Karen Kneller. It has also heard from Gerard Sinclair and Chris Reddick, representing the Scottish CCRC. They were able to provide valuable insight into the Scottish approach to dealing with alleged miscarriages of justice, which applies a different test when deciding whether to refer a case to the Scottish Court of Appeal. Many regard this test as less subjective than the ‘real possibility’ test which is applied in England and Wales, and which Pitcher and Kneller said they would welcome the commission looking at to consider whether it should be modified. The WCMJ has also heard from specialist QCs, academics, and experienced appeal solicitors, with further evidence sessions currently being organised.
The commission has also received a large number of written submissions from lawyers, academics, investigative reporters, charities, prisoners and their families. Concerns raised include the failure of the CCRC to carry out proper reviews or engage experts, the problems that arise from the ‘real possibility’ test, the lack of funding available for legal representation when applying to the CCRC, and failures elsewhere in the criminal justice process. Those who have direct experience of applying to the CCRC have also been encouraged to share their experiences by completing a questionnaire.
To date perhaps the most powerful evidence received by the commission has come from Dr Dennis Eady, of Cardiff University’s Innocence Project. Eady pointed out that the CCRC’s referral rate had plummeted over the last three years – down from a 20-year average of over 30 to just 13 last year. Eady said that a referral rate of about 1% of the total number of applications represented a ‘snowball’s chance in hell’. He went on to say that he believes that things have got so bad and so serious that there is a greater need now for a royal commission than there was in the 1990s.
Reform the Court of Appeal?
Eady was also understandably concerned that the WCMJ might make a few recommendations for the CCRC to be ‘a bit bolder’ as the Justice Select Committee did in 2015.
‘There is a danger we might mess around on the periphery of things which might make them better for a little while, but I think essentially we’ve got to be more radical in the approach we take’, he said. ‘We’ve lowered the standard of proof consistently, we’ve knocked out due process safeguards, and we’ve become a much more convictionalist kind of society. We’ve had moral panics around sex offences and joint enterprise and that has got lower and lower and lower in terms of convicting people. At the other end, as we have heard, the Court of Appeal’s bar has got higher and higher and higher. The CCRC is stuck between a rock and a hard place.’
Eady suggested it was high time to reform the Court of Appeal and allow the CCRC to have more power and the ability to quash convictions.
Whether this will form part of the recommendations to be made by the Westminster commission remains to be seen. Many feel that, sadly, the topic of miscarriages of justice is not given the priority that it deserves by those in power. There is obviously a great deal to be done and it is fair to say that the commission is determined to complete its task as soon as possible, and provide robust and practical recommendations for reform that will hopefully go some way to restore faith in the system. https://www.lawgazette.co.uk/practice-points/an-argument-for-reforming-the-court-of-appeal/5102022.article#.XcFSL8Fx8GM.twitter
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Myster on November 11, 2019, 08:13:12 AM
Looks like Colin C. will be in line for some royalties when ISOTRE is republished in 2020 to coincide with the new WHF drama...
Diane Keen's portrayal is a dead ringer for Ann Eaton.
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Post by: Myster on December 04, 2019, 05:22:24 PM
Lags of Full Sutton, Wakefield or wherever the star of the show is holed up now, will soon be enjoying some titillation on their licence-free tellies...
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Post by: Angelo222 on December 06, 2019, 11:03:29 PM
White House Farm true crime drama starts January on ITV.
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Post by: Myster on December 07, 2019, 06:43:49 AM
I wonder if this will include Holly's really true version of events?... as endorsed by Samson.
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Post by: John on December 07, 2019, 02:23:14 PM
I haven't watched any of the trailers except the one above but am I right in thinking that the drama is based on the conviction of Jeremy Bamber and relates his attempts to put the blame on his adoptive sister?
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Post by: Myster on December 07, 2019, 04:45:29 PM
I haven't watched any of the trailers except the one above but am I right in thinking that the drama is based on the conviction of Jeremy Bamber and relates his attempts to put the blame on his adoptive sister?
There's only one short teaser trailer so far, as above... but could be more to come before it begins on Jan 20th.
And yes, it won't upset the applecart unless his campaign team have nobbled the producer.
If you're in the London area you'll have the opportunity to preview it further in early Jan. and question Freddie on how it feels portraying a murderer. Knowing Holly, she'll be there raising the roof to complain, and touting for a new film to be made about her absolutely incredible solution to the McCann case.
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Post by: Nicholas on December 08, 2019, 06:53:09 PM
Jeremy Bamber lawyers challenge CPS over withheld evidence By Eric Allison and Simon Hattenstone
Lawyers representing Jeremy Bamber, who is serving a whole life sentence for killing his adoptive parents, sister and her six-year-old twin boys in 1985, have launched a high court challenge to the Crown Prosecution Service for its failure to disclose evidence they say would undermine the safety of his conviction.
The statement of facts and grounds, lodged at the high court on Friday, maintains that the CPS has refused to follow directions made by the court of appeal in 2002 to disclose the sought-after material. It also accuses the CPS of rejecting a report by an eminent ballistics expert appointed by Bamber, without instructing its own expert to challenge the claims.
During the night of 6-7 August 1985, Nevill and June Bamber were shot and killed inside their Essex farmhouse, along with their adoptive daughter, Sheila Caffell, and Sheila’s six-year-old twin sons, Daniel and Nicholas Caffell. Bamber, then 24, had phoned the police to say Nevill had phoned him, saying his sister, Sheila, had “gone crazy and has the gun”.
Initially, police believed that Sheila, diagnosed with schizophrenia, had fired the shots then turned the gun on herself. But, on 10 August, after the police ended their examination of the crime scene, a relative of Nevill and June Bamber, David Boutflour, found a silencer in the gun cupboard of the farmhouse. It was later said to contain blood belonging to Sheila Caffell.
On 7 September 1985, Jeremy Bamber’s ex-girlfriend told police Bamber had discussed killing his family with her and that he was involved. On 29 September 1985, Bamber was charged with the murders.
The silencer featured heavily at the trial at Chelmsford crown court the following year with the prosecution contending it was attached to the rifle during the killings. If true, that would have made the rifle too long for Caffell to have shot herself. The trial judge, in his summing up, told the jury: “On the evidence of the silencer alone you may find Mr Bamber guilty.”
After the jury were sent out to reach a verdict, they returned and asked the judge for clarification on the silencer and blood evidence. The judge said it contained only the blood of Sheila Caffell. Seventeen minutes later, they returned and convicted Bamber by a 10 to two majority.
But a week before the trial, the head of biology at Huntingdon Forensic Science Laboratories wrote to Essex police in a letter seen by the Guardian last year, saying the blood on the silencer “could have come from Sheila Caffell or Robert Boutflour”, another relative. That letter was not disclosed to the defence.
Last year, the Guardian reported on a letter sent to Bamber’s lawyers from the then head of special crime at the CPS on this issue. It stated that while he did not believe there was evidence of a second silencer, if any emerged it “would significantly undermine the case against JB [Jeremy Bamber] and any material supporting such a possibility would plainly be material which casts doubt on the safety of the conviction.”
Earlier this year a peer-reviewed report compiled by Phillip Boyce, a ballistics expert at Forensic Equity Ltd, was sent to the CPS suggesting there had been more than one silencer. Boyce, who has advised governments and the United Nations on ballistics, concluded that, based on differing groove patterns, sizes and exhibit numbers, “at least two sound moderators had been examined in this case”. Boyce believes both silencers contain blood that could belong to either Caffell or Robert Boutflour. The CPS has dismissed his findings, without employing its own expert to study his report, as is the protocol.
Last year, the then director of public prosecutions, Alison Saunders, published a revised version of CPS disclosure manual. Saunders concluded: “To maintain public confidence in the criminal justice system, it is essential that the relevant disclosure regime is complied with in every case and all duties performed to a high standard. I hope this manual will continue to offer practical guidance to practitioners and give the lay reader a degree of reassurance that the prosecution team is fully committed to meeting its obligations in this hugely important area.”
Speaking from Wakefield prison, Bamber said his requests for disclosure had been ignored for almost 35 years, despite court orders issued in 2002 during his only full appeal that directed complete disclosure to be made.
“We are now in a position to show exactly what has been withheld, which amounts to thousands of key files and documents pertaining to, not just the forensic examination of two silencers, but also to my innocence. This repeated non–disclosure means that the truth remains unknown, as the evidence that gives my case clarity still remains hidden,” he said.
Mark Newby, a solicitor advocate from QualitySolicitors Jordans, which represents Bamber, said: “It is disappointing that the CPS has not agreed to provide material that is needed by an independent expert to support the overwhelming inference that a second silencer was examined during the police and forensic science service investigations. We hope that this can quickly be resolved so that the expert can get on with his job and the case can be put back before the court of appeal in order to correct this very grave miscarriage of justice.” https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/dec/08/jeremy-bamber-lawyers-challenge-cps-over-withheld-evidence
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Nicholas on December 09, 2019, 12:48:53 AM
Greenwood, Holly. & Eady, Dennis. (in press). Re-evaluating post-conviction disclosure: a case for ‘better late than never’. International Journal of Law, Crime & Justice https://cronfa.swan.ac.uk/Record/cronfa50369
Dennis Eady - 7th Feb 2017 “The Jeremy Bamber case is perhaps the mother and father of illustrations of this resistance to disclosure (see www.jeremy-bamber.co.uk). After more than 30 years, the preferred option is to leave a potentially innocent man on a full life sentence rather than simply disclose material that could potentially exonerate him. https://www.thejusticegap.com/disclosures-catch-22/
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Post by: Nicholas on December 09, 2019, 02:37:35 PM
Posted on December 9, 2019 “Today the Guardian Newspaper has published an article which confirms that on Friday 6th December Judicial Review Proceedings were issued against the Crown Prosecution Service over significant non disclosure we can comment as follows : We have been engaged in an extensive dialogue with the Crown Prosecution Service for sometime as our investigation in conjunction with the team supporting this case has uncovered what appears to be significant evidence pointing to the fact that there has been a miscarriage of justice . However in order that we can progress this case further essential further disclosure is required which has been set out to the Crown Prosecution Service in precise terms .
It is disappointing that the CPS has chosen not to engage with that process and accordingly there is no alternative but to pursue that judicial review , particularly in circumstances where it appears that this may demonstrate that a misleading position was placed before the jury in relation to the forensic evidence .
We do not propose to comment further upon the matter whist judicial review proceedings are underway . We are aware that this case gives rise to huge media interest , but we would recommend caution whilst proceedings are underway in view of the consequences to this litigation and any future appeal https://www.qualitysolicitors.com/jordans/news/2019/12/jeremy-bamber-judicial-review-against-the-crown-prosecution-service-statement
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Post by: Nicholas on December 09, 2019, 02:46:21 PM
Mark Newby @MarkNewbyqsj 10/10 for trying but really ......Killer claims his life sentence is served because he briefly died 2:59 PM · Nov 9, 2019·Tweetbot for iΟS https://mobile.twitter.com/MarkNewbyqsj/status/1193181306496135169
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Post by: Amanda3266 on December 09, 2019, 03:28:02 PM
Mark Newby @MarkNewbyqsj 10/10 for trying but really ......Killer claims his life sentence is served because he briefly died 2:59 PM · Nov 9, 2019·Tweetbot for iΟS https://mobile.twitter.com/MarkNewbyqsj/status/1193181306496135169
I read that this week too. Got to admire his thinking here.
Also read that Mark Williams Thomas is backing JB and saying it was a murder/suicide.
Along with other stuff my biggest issue is how Sheila was found...the gun resting on her body. It would have been well away from her surely as the force of firing it to kill herself would have pushed it away from her. And who shoots themselves in the neck TWICE?
For me that alone takes Sheila out of the running when looking at suspects.
It doesn’t necessarily convict Jeremy ...I think he did that all by himself with his actions but it does mean the family were murdered by someone other than Sheila.
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Nicholas on December 09, 2019, 04:27:23 PM
Mark Williams Thomas on twitter
Mark Williams-Thomas @mwilliamsthomas 18h Years ago I made this programme about the #WhiteHouseFarmMurders that #JeremyBamber is in jail for . I am in regular contact with him & the evidence now available is compelling- that it was Sheila Caffell responsible for murder/suicide. https://youtu.be/_i2CjYDJGTo Image
Kevin Thomson 🏴 @pancaketheduck 18h Did you get a chance to review the Luke Mitchell case at all?
Mark Williams-Thomas @mwilliamsthomas Replying to @pancaketheduck No- seems like a very compelling case against him - why do you think he is innocent? 10:26 PM · Dec 8, 2019·Twitter for Android
🎀 Michelle Diskin Bates 🎀 @Michelle_Diskin 4h Replying to @mwilliamsthomas and @pancaketheduck Because there isn’t any evidence linking him to the killing, just media/police innuendo. A 14yr old boy found his girlfriend’s body...and was hounded by the media for his damaged response. I believe he is innocent.
Mark Williams-Thomas @mwilliamsthomas 3h Interesting Michelle - I obviously need to look deeper. I will watch the u tube link I have been sent . Hope you are well
🎀 Michelle Diskin Bates 🎀 @Michelle_Diskin 3h Very well, thank you Mark 🤗 Very busy as usual, but you’d know all about that. Take care of you, Mark.
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Nicholas on December 09, 2019, 05:11:50 PM
Dr Michael Naughton on the Bamber case
Empowering the Innocent (ETI) @EmpowerInnocent 8h There must be full disclosure in all alleged wrongful conviction cases so that the truth of claims of innocence can be determined What is being hidden and why?
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Post by: Nicholas on December 09, 2019, 07:27:33 PM
🎀 Michelle Diskin Bates 🎀 @Michelle_Diskin I won’t back a claim unless I can see the case evidence...there is none linking Robin to his wife’s murder...but much pointing away - towards other hands. The murderer is walking free, and may even have killed again
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Nicholas on December 09, 2019, 08:12:03 PM
Monday, 9 December 2019 Statement from Jeremy on the 9th December 2019 regarding a Judicial Review of the CPS
“It is of the upmost importance that the Administrative Court reach a decision in line with the disclosure ordered in 2001/2002 for all of the case documentation to be disclosed to myself and my legal team. I have made continual attempts for almost 35 years to gain disclosure of this material which includes all of the forensic documents, witness statements and case photographs, especially those of the silencers, and I am still being refused access to it despite the previous orders made by the Court of Appeal. All involved, including Essex Police, the Criminal Cases Review Commission, the Forensic Science Service and the Crown Prosecution Service appear to believe that the partial disclosure they have made is sufficient. However, we are now in a position to show exactly what has been withheld, which amounts to thousands of key files and documents pertaining to not just the forensic examination of two silencers, but also to my innocence. This repeated non–disclosure means that much of the truth remains unknown, as the evidence that gives my case clarity still remains hidden. https://jeremybamber.blogspot.com/2019/12/statement-from-jeremy-on-9th-december.html
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Post by: Nicholas on December 10, 2019, 11:02:29 PM
Monday, 9 December 2019 Statement from Jeremy on the 9th December 2019 regarding a Judicial Review of the CPS
“It is of the upmost importance that the Administrative Court reach a decision in line with the disclosure ordered in 2001/2002 for all of the case documentation to be disclosed to myself and my legal team. I have made continual attempts for almost 35 years to gain disclosure of this material which includes all of the forensic documents, witness statements and case photographs, especially those of the silencers, and I am still being refused access to it despite the previous orders made by the Court of Appeal. All involved, including Essex Police, the Criminal Cases Review Commission, the Forensic Science Service and the Crown Prosecution Service appear to believe that the partial disclosure they have made is sufficient. However, we are now in a position to show exactly what has been withheld, which amounts to thousands of key files and documents pertaining to not just the forensic examination of two silencers, but also to my innocence. This repeated non–disclosure means that much of the truth remains unknown, as the evidence that gives my case clarity still remains hidden. https://jeremybamber.blogspot.com/2019/12/statement-from-jeremy-on-9th-december.html
Bambers blog Thursday, 15 December 2011
“The CCRC have agreed in principal that I should have a further extension of time for submissions up until 31st January 2012. This is to allow full forensic reports to be sent to the CCRC along with detailed submissions as planned previously. The CCRC have not elaborated on whether they will be able to disclose the Event and Scene logs that we have requested.
2011 has been a year which has seen many different and sometimes unexpected events for my case. Although I am not unused to taking knock back’s in my case, the provisional ruling not to refer my case for appeal came from the CCRC back in February and was a great surprise to us all. Fortunately there have been many avenues not already explored at the trial or subsequent appeals which we are now investigating. The addition of many documents has unearthed so much more in the case and gave the campaign renewed vigour and knowledge.
Crime scene photographs developed electronically at high resolution which have never been seen, gave us many new areas for exploration and also a greater understanding of how poorly the investigation was handled by Essex Police officers. We have been able to raise awareness of my case and also gained a great amount of public support which has often overwhelmed me with letters of kindness. But this year has also seen how the judiciary handles complaints very badly in light of the events which triggered riots and also in the collapse of the trial of police officers involved in the wrongful convictions of the Cardiff Three.
I am confident that there will be justice for me. There is a wealth of evidence prepared and presented to the judiciary in my case which has been ignored. Let’s hope the latest evidence will be heard by a court in the New Year. Eddie Gilfoyle and Sue May are also just two people who have felt frustration and the disappointment of a system which seeks to maintain wrongful convictions without considering the wider issues of innocence and a safer society through a more transparent justice system that admits mistakes and learns from them.
I have already spoken to many people and written at length on the two sound moderators in my case and how this was concealed from the jury and perverted the course of justice, the trail of fabricated evidence is plainly shown throughout forensic documents. There have also been many revelations concerning the reliability of prosecution witnesses. The uncovering of new evidence is only possible through a great amount of work by my lawyers and campaigners who help tremendously. I am confident that 2012 will see justice done and my freedom will bring the whole truth to light at last.
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to everyone.”
"It is part of a whole interview transcript about the allegations of corruptions. While going through the lab at different times the silencer for some unexplained reason had two different serial numbers 22 and 23 then back to 22 again. ;D "
You constantly take errors that were proven to be errors and still try pretending that the errors were intentional deceptions to hide that they were juggling multiple moderators. You resort to this multiple moderator nonsense because you have zilch to establish the moderator was doctored.
What you failed to take into account is that COLP found out it was simply an error and who made it. When filling out the Holab forms in triplicate Cook screwed up and on one of them he wrote 23 by accident. So 2 of the forms said 22 and the third said 23. All 3 forms were filed the same day. 1 copy went to HQ, 1 was returned to SOC for their files and 1 was retained by the lab.
If submitting 2 different moderators to the lab on this day then all 3 Holab forms would say item 22 and item 23 and have a different exhibit number as opposed to each only referring to a single moderator with the exhibit number SBJ/1. Moreover there would be a lab examination record for 2 moderators not one. Howard expressly stated under questioning that only 1 moderator was turned in to her for examination and she only examined one.
COLP determined that the Holab record containing the error went back to SOC. They determined that Davidson subsequently lifted information from this erroneous record and this is how a document created by him ended up erroneously referring to it as item 23 instead of 22. So we have two records that referred to it as item 23:
1) 1 of 3 copies of a document Cook created where all 3 copies were supposed to be identical had 1 difference and thus we know for sure that it was simply a clerical error that they were not identical
and
2) a document created by Davidson which lifted the item 23 from the page Cook screwed up.
In your world this is evidence that undermines the moderator but in the real world it is simply a meaningless clerical error that caused another meaningless clerical error.
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Myster on December 16, 2019, 04:41:57 AM
Freddie's not interested in being foxed... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-50711576 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-50711576)
On acting... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6XZ0CtwA1g (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6XZ0CtwA1g)
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Post by: Myster on December 16, 2019, 04:33:34 PM
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Nicholas on December 17, 2019, 10:00:21 AM
Mark Newby @MarkNewbyqsj 35m ITV are scheduled to broadcast a drama series on Jeremy Bamber “White House Farm” . This is our statement on behalf of our client , in view of pending judicial review proceedings there will be no further comment https://mobile.twitter.com/MarkNewbyqsj/status/1206867123118706693
Jeremy Bamber ITV Drama - Statement Posted on December 17, 2019
“On or around the 8th January 2020 ITV is scheduled to broadcast a Drama based on the case of Jeremy Bamber and what happened at White House Farm . This is our statement on behalf of our Client Jeremy Bamber . In view of the proposed broadcast of this drama series approaches are being made by the media for a comment by our Client and his campaign over this drama due to be aired .
This arises in the context of an on going and very active process to seek to return the case of Jeremy Bamber back to the Court of Appeal ,including importantly judicial review proceedings which have been issued against the Director of Public Prosecutions relating to serious non disclosure which our Client says have occured .
As a result of this we have written to the producers of the Drama Series and invited them to postpone the broadcast of this series whilst matters are resolved in the High Court . We have intimated that we are concerned that such a drama series by its nature will place a fictious narrative in the public domain which may be counter productive to the administration of justice in due course .
Our Client understands that considerable resources may have been put into this drama series and therefore does not today suggest it should be cancelled rather that as a matter of precaution any broadcast should be delayed pending the High Court Case .
We will not be making any further comment in view of the ongoing case before the Court .
Mark Newby @MarkNewbyqsj 35m ITV are scheduled to broadcast a drama series on Jeremy Bamber “White House Farm” . This is our statement on behalf of our client , in view of pending judicial review proceedings there will be no further comment https://mobile.twitter.com/MarkNewbyqsj/status/1206867123118706693
Jeremy Bamber ITV Drama - Statement Posted on December 17, 2019
“On or around the 8th January 2020 ITV is scheduled to broadcast a Drama based on the case of Jeremy Bamber and what happened at White House Farm . This is our statement on behalf of our Client Jeremy Bamber . In view of the proposed broadcast of this drama series approaches are being made by the media for a comment by our Client and his campaign over this drama due to be aired .
This arises in the context of an on going and very active process to seek to return the case of Jeremy Bamber back to the Court of Appeal ,including importantly judicial review proceedings which have been issued against the Director of Public Prosecutions relating to serious non disclosure which our Client says have occured .
As a result of this we have written to the producers of the Drama Series and invited them to postpone the broadcast of this series whilst matters are resolved in the High Court . We have intimated that we are concerned that such a drama series by its nature will place a fictious narrative in the public domain which may be counter productive to the administration of justice in due course .
Our Client understands that considerable resources may have been put into this drama series and therefore does not today suggest it should be cancelled rather that as a matter of precaution any broadcast should be delayed pending the High Court Case .
We will not be making any further comment in view of the ongoing case before the Court .
Typical psychopathic behaviour displayed by Bamber.
How about he and his legal team put the CCRC’s refusal documents into the public domain so we can judge for ourselves whether or not his case stands a chance of going back to the CoA?
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Nicholas on December 17, 2019, 11:18:50 AM
Mark Newby
“I don’t know whether or not you are working on behalf of Bamber pro bono or if his ‘campaign team’ or ‘innocent activists’ as John Collins refers to them in the above interview, are paying you or if Bamber has been awarded legal aid however I do know that prisoners like Jeremy Bamber have been allowed to cause & are causing severe psychological torture and distress to many innocent people over the years and to date it appears UK prisons either turn a blind eye or don’t intervene because of current legislation which was set up to protect prisoners without there appearing to be much concern or protections for the unsuspecting public?
Your recent public statement which includes,
Quote
”We have intimated that we are concerned that such a drama series by its nature will place a fictious narrative in the public domain which may be counter productive to the administration of justice in due course”
requires backing up with supporting evidence. The Bamber case has been debated in great depth and for many years across 2 Internet forums here http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk and here http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?board=6.0…
During which time Jeremy Bamber has been caught in the lie over and over. Whilst you are of course entitled to choose to act on his behalf please don’t insult those of us who have studied this case and Jeremy Bamber in depth. If his case were ever to get back to the CoA on a technicality of some description, you know and we know this would in no way be indicative of Bamber being innocent for the murders of his family members (including two sleeping 6 year old twin boys, one found with his thumb still in his mouth) it just shows the lengths some offenders like him are prepared to go in attempt to outwit the criminal justice system.”
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Nicholas on December 17, 2019, 01:08:58 PM
“I don’t know whether or not you are working on behalf of Bamber pro bono or if his ‘campaign team’ or ‘innocent activists’ as John Collins refers to them in the above interview, are paying you or if Bamber has been awarded legal aid however I do know that prisoners like Jeremy Bamber have been allowed to cause & are causing severe psychological torture and distress to many innocent people over the years and to date it appears UK prisons either turn a blind eye or don’t intervene because of current legislation which was set up to protect prisoners without there appearing to be much concern or protections for the unsuspecting public?
Your recent public statement which includes,
requires backing up with supporting evidence. The Bamber case has been debated in great depth and for many years across 2 Internet forums here http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk and here http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?board=6.0…
During which time Jeremy Bamber has been caught in the lie over and over. Whilst you are of course entitled to choose to act on his behalf please don’t insult those of us who have studied this case and Jeremy Bamber in depth. If his case were ever to get back to the CoA on a technicality of some description, you know and we know this would in no way be indicative of Bamber being innocent for the murders of his family members (including two sleeping 6 year old twin boys, one found with his thumb still in his mouth) it just shows the lengths some offenders like him are prepared to go in attempt to outwit the criminal justice system.”
This is the level of power and control your client Jeremy Bamber excerpts over his alleged ‘unsuspecting victims’ like Trudi Benjamin for example. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3472521/Mass-murder-Jeremy-Bamber-sends-supporter-read-bizarre-rant-grave-parents-killed-blaming-sister-murdered-mass-killing.html
Would be interested to know what people like Trudi Benjamin’s knowledge and understanding of a mass murdering psychopath is?
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Nicholas on December 17, 2019, 01:20:00 PM
This is the level of power and control your client Jeremy Bamber excerpts over his alleged ‘unsuspecting victims’ like Trudi Benjamin for example. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3472521/Mass-murder-Jeremy-Bamber-sends-supporter-read-bizarre-rant-grave-parents-killed-blaming-sister-murdered-mass-killing.html
Would be interested to know what people like Trudi Benjamin’s knowledge and understanding of a mass murdering psychopath is?
What do Jeremy Bambers prison records state regarding the following incident and what do prison psychologists and offender managers say?
“Mass killer Jeremy Bamber launched a vicious attack on a fellow prisoner with a broken bottle. He rammed the jagged edges of a sauce bottle into his victim's face and tried to cut off his nose and ears. The inmate's scalp was also cut open. The Home Office last night pledged an inquiry in the attack by Bamber, jailed for life after slaughtering his family for a pounds 500,000 inheritance. The victim is believed to be serving a sentence for burglary. He was rushed to hospital for emergency surgery after the attack. It is not the first time that Bamber, an inmate at Long Lartin top security prison in Worcestershire, has been in trouble in jail. He has been one of the most hated prisoners in Britain since the 1985 killing of his adoptive parents, his sister Sheila and her twin sons. Last year he was robbed of pounds 1,000-worth of jewellery, cash and personal belongings. Earlier this year he was briefly removed from Long Lartin for his own safety after surviving a knife attack. He was transferred to Full Sutton jail near York, where he took up martial arts and keep-fit for his own defence. It is understood the man he attacked with a bottle had tried to pick a fight with him. A Home Office spokesman said there would be a major investigation. “There was an incident in the prison which left one prisoner seriously injured," he said. https://www.thefreelibrary.com/KILLER+BAMBER%27S+BROKEN+BOTTLE+JAIL+ATTACK.-a061330122
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Nicholas on December 17, 2019, 02:35:39 PM
How about he and his legal team put the CCRC’s refusal documents into the public domain so we can judge for ourselves whether or not his case stands a chance of going back to the CoA?
How many ‘fishing expeditions’ has Bamber already been on?
Before the already underfunded criminal justice system consider a judicial review or any other kind of review, the public need to see Jeremy Bambers psychologically reports, the CCRC’s statement of reasons for their previous refusals and all other documentation he’s so far hidden from public scrutiny.
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Nicholas on December 17, 2019, 03:39:46 PM
“I don’t know whether or not you are working on behalf of Bamber pro bono or if his ‘campaign team’ or ‘innocent activists’ as John Collins refers to them in the above interview, are paying you or if Bamber has been awarded legal aid however I do know that prisoners like Jeremy Bamber have been allowed to cause & are causing severe psychological torture and distress to many innocent people over the years and to date it appears UK prisons either turn a blind eye or don’t intervene because of current legislation which was set up to protect prisoners without there appearing to be much concern or protections for the unsuspecting public?
Your recent public statement which includes,
requires backing up with supporting evidence. The Bamber case has been debated in great depth and for many years across 2 Internet forums here http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk and here http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?board=6.0…
During which time Jeremy Bamber has been caught in the lie over and over. Whilst you are of course entitled to choose to act on his behalf please don’t insult those of us who have studied this case and Jeremy Bamber in depth. If his case were ever to get back to the CoA on a technicality of some description, you know and we know this would in no way be indicative of Bamber being innocent for the murders of his family members (including two sleeping 6 year old twin boys, one found with his thumb still in his mouth) it just shows the lengths some offenders like him are prepared to go in attempt to outwit the criminal justice system.”
Supreme Court’s judgment in Nunn a “disaster” that reinforced difficulties getting exhibits, says Mark Newby https://mobile.twitter.com/C4CrimAppeals/status/964528097327566848
POSTED BY: ADMIN OCTOBER 14, 2015 “Challenging Miscarriages – the Inability of the System to Accept Responsibility”
by Mark Newby, United Against Injustice, Conference, Liverpool, Saturday 10th October 2015.
Thank you for inviting me here today to speak to you about a subject that not only we are concerned about but that every right thinking member of society should care about – miscarriages of justice.
Today I want to talk to the subject of the inability of the establishment to accept responsibility.
My argument here today is that we are probably at the worst moment we have ever been at for tackling such miscarriages and I would say that one of the fundamental reasons for this is the inability of the machinery of the state to accept responsibility and admit error when they are wrong.
You see we are all human beings in the end and a system that relies on individuals will in the end deliver outcomes based upon human error. Whether you are the hapless accused, the Police, the Prosecutor, the Defence Counsel, the Jury, the Judge, the appeal lawyer, the CCRC or the Appeal Judges We All Make Mistakes And We Are All Infallable .
Of course the fundamental problem with a system that never admits mistakes is that it is in a downward spiral – organisations that cannot admit fault in the end will become failing organisations. The easiest answer is to brush it under the carpet or find an excuse for why things went wrong.
But sticking plasters will not save a system which is bleeding from every artery.
As we will see one case which demonstrates better than most complete system failure is the case of Victor Nealon and you will hear from Victor this afternoon about this and the personal impact the best part of the last two decades have had upon him. But of course there are other illustrations and so for example I will also mention another case I am now instructed in and have been interested in for some time the Appeal of Susan May. Finally I would like to deal with the current spate of cases in the aftermath of the Savile scandal.
But before we enter into the cases let’s consider how bad the situation is and look at some of the key issues facing us :
1. We have given control of our Justice System to the Media and Politicians
2. We have removed fundamental safeguards of those accused and each year these safeguards are eroded further
3. Public funding has been subject to a sustained and unremitting attack
4. Past cuts have encouraged poor representation and cases where every corner is cut
5. The CPS is in my view badly administered and massively underfunded, high quality advocacy and review in the CPS has been positively discouraged by the changes introduced for example the new policy on charging offenders in sexual offence cases leading to the lowest common denominator for prosecutions.
6. We have taken the Forensic Science Service which was admired across the World and decimated it and the retention of exhibits for another perceived financial saving. Now we leave exhibits in the hands of private organisations with restricted ability to access those exhibits when a case goes wrong.
7. The Police themselves have equally been attacked by substantial cut backs, large reduction in experienced investigators and a drive towards results at all costs.
8. The Courts are skewed in favour of convictions at all costs and we live in a world where “statistics” are the order of the day, we charge additional fines and disincentivise those who want to plead not guilty.
9. We have a public funding system for criminal appeals which is non-existent, difficult to achieve and awash with delay.
10. The Court of Appeal has become a hurdle which few get across in seeking to appeal their convictions and the Court itself has put in place significant hurdles. For example it has over recent years narrowed appeals based on false memory, weakened fatally good character directions and recently introduced a requirement for original legal teams to comment on the grounds and factual basis. Whether through design or by accident the net effect of these reforms has been to narrow the opportunity to appeal.
11. The Supreme Court in Nunn has reinforced difficulties in obtaining access to Original Exhibits denying some appellants the opportunity to ever put right their wrongful convictions
12. The CCRC remains under funded, delays are wholly unacceptable and there remains a lack of dialogue and accountability for CCRC decisions
13. Even if you manage to achieve against all odds a successful quashing of your conviction it is virtually impossible to be compensated for what has happened to you.
Mark Newby wants to go back to where it all began if he wants to truly understand how and why genuine victims aren’t being recognised by the state.
Before delivering the above speech and feeding into the ideologies of all those who were in attendance at the meeting, he should look at those convictions that have been overturned on technicalities, recognise the con artists and wolves in sheep’s clothing and look at how their cases have changed the criminal justice system and indeed legislation.
‘the fundamental problem’ with all those individuals who choose to never admit to their ‘mistakes is that’ they are ‘in a downward spiral’
‘organisations that cannot admit fault in the end will become failing organisations. The easiest answer is to brush it under the carpet or find an excuse for why things went wrong.’
Again, what mistakes were made in the Simon Hall case? Where did it all go wrong? Who made the mistakes and what efforts, if any, have they made to ensure they don’t repeat past mistakes?
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Myster on December 18, 2019, 05:27:13 AM
There'd be a revolution as big as the Tory victory if ITV kowtowed to Bamber and Newby, and postponed the series.
An interview with Colin Caffell, and additional ones with WHF actors to the right...
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Nicholas on December 18, 2019, 09:16:07 AM
Interview with Mark Addy here who remembers seeing Bamber on the TV,
“I remember seeing the news footage of Bamber at the funeral of his adoptive parents and Sheila and his ‘crying’. I remember back then thinking that was not real. I felt it was for the cameras. He was a good actor, but not that good.”
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Nicholas on December 19, 2019, 10:05:59 AM
Latest News 19.12.19 Statement regarding the White House Farm ITV drama. “We first became aware of a planned ITV drama about Jeremy’s case in December 2017, and took immediate steps to offer our assistance by contacting Kim Varvell at Production Company ‘New Pictures’, Commissioning Editor Kevin Lygo at ITV and writer Chris Mrska. We were willing to provide access to brand new forensic reports, our team of scientists, the case material, fresh evidence, and Jeremy and his legal team. Our offers were ignored, and we believe therefore, that the drama can only be based on factually incorrect and very out of date material. Our campaign is not only about proving Jeremy’s innocence, but protecting the memory of his much-loved family who will undoubtedly have their characters dissected and denigrated in order to make sensationalised television. This will not benefit anyone, least of all Jeremy in his fight for justice, but will simply be a money pot for ITV, reaping in millions of pounds from a family tragedy that is still unresolved. We need to make it clear that the Jeremy Bamber Campaign, Jeremy, and his legal team, do not endorse this drama. Mark Newby, Jeremy’s solicitor, has written to ITV requesting that owing to the sensitivity in the current legal approaches that have been made to the High Court that the drama at the very least be postponed. Mr Newby of Quality Solicitors Jordans wrote: “We have written to the producers of the Drama Series and invited them to postpone the broadcast of this series whilst matters are resolved in the High Court . We have intimated that we are concerned that such a drama series by its nature will place a fictitious narrative in the public domain which may be counter productive to the administration of justice in due course.” We sincerely hope that in the interests of fairness and justice that ITV accede to this request. 09.12.19 The application for Judicial Review against the Crown Prosecution Service. On 6 December 2019, Jeremy Bamber’s legal team served a Judicial Review application against the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) following their repeated refusal to disclose key documentation to the defence. The decision to take action followed over three years of discussions between Jeremy’s legal team and various Heads of department at the CPS. The Judicial Review is specific to two defined areas. 1. Directions made by the Court of Appeal in 2001/2002 for full disclosure of police and forensic material that have never been complied with. Partial disclosure was made after the appeal concluded, however PII rules at the time prevented this being disclosed to Jeremy and the campaign team. In 2011 this material was finally disclosed and subsequent analysis resulted in a comprehensive schedule detailing exactly what is missing. This includes forensic documents, photographs and police/scientist/civilian statements. The directions were presented to the CPS with details of exactly what was still undisclosed, yet disclosure has been refused. 2. Fresh documentary and scientific evidence was provided to the CPS together with a detailed forensic report which set out how we are able to show conclusively that two silencers were seized from White House Farm, that were both forensically examined, and were both found to have blood and paint contaminates on and in them, in different areas, contaminates which increased over time. The police data base “Holmes” Box reference numbers were provided for the material, as well as the reasons this evidence is important, including the necessity for the defence to establish a complete chain of evidence for the two silencers, and to enable this material to be submitted to the CCRC in as a complete and substantial application as possible. The claim is now in the hands of the Administrative Court to consider and we will advise, if appropriate, as and when permission for a hearing is granted.
Statement from Mark Newby, Solicitor representing Jeremy Bamber Jeremy Bamber: Judicial Review against the Crown Prosecution Service Posted on December 9, 2019 Today the Guardian Newspaper has published an article which confirms that on Friday 6th December Judicial Review Proceedings were issued against the Crown Prosecution Service over significant non-disclosure we can comment as follows: We have been engaged in an extensive dialogue with the Crown Prosecution Service for sometime as our investigation in conjunction with the team supporting this case has uncovered what appears to be significant evidence supporting the fact that there has been a miscarriage of justice. However in order that we can progress this case further essential further disclosure is required which has been set out to the Crown Prosecution Service in precise terms. It is disappointing that the CPS has chosen not to engage with that process and accordingly there is no alternative but to pursue that judicial review , particularly in circumstances where it appears that this may demonstrate that a misleading position was placed before the jury in relation to the forensic evidence . We do not propose to comment further upon the matter whist judicial review proceedings are underway. We are aware that this case gives rise to huge media interest, but we would recommend caution whilst proceedings are underway in view of the consequences to this litigation and any future appeal. Read a statement from Jeremy Bamber here --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Update: 19.10.19 New evidence further supports Jeremy's 3.36 call to the police made 10 minutes after his father's at 3.26, reported in the Mirror today online, and on the Front page and double page spread of the print edition. To view the evidence found in 2010 on the call logs alongside the lastest evidence click here. There is also a video explaining the issue from 2010 here. Read the statement from, Jeremy's solicitor, Mark Newby here This comes after the Guardian reported that the jury did not know that the blood found in the sound moderator, which apparently matched the group of Sheila Caffell, also matched estate beneficiary Robert Boutflour. In 2002, at the last Appeal, it could not be proven that Sheila's DNA was ever in the sound moderator. Update 03.07.19 Jeremy Bamber's lawyer, Mark Newby, is currently in an ongoing discussion with the CPS regarding the non-disclosure of key evidence. At the time of the trial the Defence did not know that there was more than one sound moderator seized by police. One came from the relatives (later estate beneficiaries) who found the moderator at the house days after the police had finished their work. The other was probably taken by police from the house before the end of their scenes of crime work. It is impossible to tell the difference between them at various times, but disclosed paperwork shows that there were two moderators being examined on the same day, each with different contaminates and having different characteristics. This means that we can be certain there were two. A new forensic report has been given to the CPS which supports this evidence together with a legal a request for disclosure of all chain of evidence material. The report also brings into question the integrity of the police forensic examinations. These moderators (silencers) were swapped and used interchangeably by police. Furthermore, it is impossible to know which one was examined for the 2002 Appeal in which there was no DNA from Sheila Caffell obtained, but there was DNA from an unidentified male. There is a possibility the DNA came from one of the Bamber estate beneficiaries, Robert Boutflour, who had an identical blood group to Sheila. The trial court was not told about this simple fact, even when the jury asked if Robert Boutflour and the beneficiaries had financial motive to lie. This issue was recently reported in the Guardian by Eric Allison and Simon Hattenstone. https://www.jeremy-bamber.co.uk/case
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: adam on December 19, 2019, 12:00:01 PM
It would be a surprise if Nevill also went through Yellow Pages & called the fifth furthest away police station.
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: mrswah on December 19, 2019, 01:13:52 PM
I have the utmost respect for Colin, in that he has emerged from such ghastly, tragic circumstances to make a new and successful life for himself.
But , did he really think that if he moved to Cornwall, nobody would know who he was? They must have done: the White House Farm murders made sensational, national news, not just local news. I remember it well.
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Myster on December 29, 2019, 06:15:00 AM
What CAL really thinks... https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/family-killer-jeremy-bamber-thinks-21177954 (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/family-killer-jeremy-bamber-thinks-21177954)
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Myster on December 29, 2019, 07:10:29 AM
Yet another rambling potty-mouthed podcast... if you can be bothered. Carbolic at the ready...
What CAL really thinks... https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/family-killer-jeremy-bamber-thinks-21177954 (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/family-killer-jeremy-bamber-thinks-21177954)
Ho ho!! "The key to the door"!!!
They'll be throwing THAT key away once and for all, in 2020!!
8((()*/
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Holly Goodhead on December 29, 2019, 12:38:34 PM
The Times carried a whole page article yesterday dedicated to the new series.
CC was quoted and appears to have endorsed the series. He also talks about his forthcoming book which I found a little surprising given his reluctance to get involved with CAL a few years back and his obvious objections to all the rubbish on social media that his young daughter can't help stumble across. But I guess his daughter is not so young now so maybe this has changed his mind somewhat.
Hopefully the series, 6 x 1 hour slots, will be better than the low-budget hour long stuff of the past but I can't see it being fact based since Kris Mrska said the series will not include a re-enactment on the basis no one survived to know what happened! He obviously isn't aware of soc reconstruction based on ballistics and blood stain analysis!
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Holly Goodhead on December 29, 2019, 12:49:37 PM
Quite poignant when you consider JB's birth father was tasked with announcing Prince Harry's birth a year before the shootings and now Harry's former girlfriend is playing the part of SC and Harry's own son will be around a year old!
Also JB's angry rant about the affect CC's first book might have had on his first appeal and here he is in the same position some 30 years on!
Wonder what the next 30 years might hold!
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Myster on December 29, 2019, 02:53:27 PM
The Times carried a whole page article yesterday dedicated to the new series.
CC was quoted and appears to have endorsed the series. He also talks about his forthcoming book which I found a little surprising given his reluctance to get involved with CAL a few years back and his obvious objections to all the rubbish on social media that his young daughter can't help stumble across. But I guess his daughter is not so young now so maybe this has changed his mind somewhat.
Hopefully the series, 6 x 1 hour slots, will be better than the low-budget hour long stuff of the past but I can't see it being fact based since Kris Mrska said the series will not include a re-enactment on the basis no one survived to know what happened! He obviously isn't aware of soc reconstruction based on ballistics and blood stain analysis!
JB has made all the running for 33 years... it's time to redress the balance! 8((()*/
Waterstones are selling ISOTRE for £9.99. Don't think it will contain anything new, other than glowing endorsements from Freddie and Cressida. Lucky that I bought a mint hardback copy of the original from 'world of books' on eBay for £1.50 several years ago.
Quite poignant when you consider JB's birth father was tasked with announcing Prince Harry's birth a year before the shootings and now Harry's former girlfriend is playing the part of SC and Harry's own son will be around a year old!
Also JB's angry rant about the affect CC's first book might have had on his first appeal and here he is in the same position some 30 years on!
Wonder what the next 30 years might hold!
...'effect'... 8((()*/
My funeral 8(8-)) ... and JB living to 88. ?8)@)-)
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Holly Goodhead on December 29, 2019, 03:17:53 PM
"Effect" is about inanimate objects. "Affect" is about emotions. Of course, it's perfectly possible that the effect on an inanimate object could cause a person to affected, don't you think? 8(0(*
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Caroline on December 30, 2019, 12:37:59 PM
The Times carried a whole page article yesterday dedicated to the new series.
CC was quoted and appears to have endorsed the series. He also talks about his forthcoming book which I found a little surprising given his reluctance to get involved with CAL a few years back and his obvious objections to all the rubbish on social media that his young daughter can't help stumble across. But I guess his daughter is not so young now so maybe this has changed his mind somewhat.
Hopefully the series, 6 x 1 hour slots, will be better than the low-budget hour long stuff of the past but I can't see it being fact based since Kris Mrska said the series will not include a re-enactment on the basis no one survived to know what happened! He obviously isn't aware of soc reconstruction based on ballistics and blood stain analysis!
Which is not fact based, it's theoretical.
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Caroline on December 30, 2019, 12:40:20 PM
JB has made all the running for 33 years... it's time to redress the balance! 8((()*/
Waterstones are selling ISOTRE for £9.99. Don't think it will contain anything new, other than glowing endorsements from Freddie and Cressida. Lucky that I bought a mint hardback copy of the original from 'world of books' on eBay for £1.50 several years ago.
The Times carried a whole page article yesterday dedicated to the new series.
CC was quoted and appears to have endorsed the series. He also talks about his forthcoming book which I found a little surprising given his reluctance to get involved with CAL a few years back and his obvious objections to all the rubbish on social media that his young daughter can't help stumble across. But I guess his daughter is not so young now so maybe this has changed his mind somewhat.
Hopefully the series, 6 x 1 hour slots, will be better than the low-budget hour long stuff of the past but I can't see it being fact based since Kris Mrska said the series will not include a re-enactment on the basis no one survived to know what happened! He obviously isn't aware of soc reconstruction based on ballistics and blood stain analysis!
A pity there will be no re-enactment.
Not difficult to do, based on the available evidence. CAL created a scenario.
The makers were being lazy. They have a 6 part series & will be using artisic licence some of the time. So I would not complain if the massacre was not exactly how I envisaged it.
It would not have been too gruesome for TV after 9pm. People are killed all the time in films & dramas. A good reconstruction would have been a first & unforgettable drama gold.
Seems like it's going to be a 'Mid Summer Murders' type drama. Padded out over 6 hours . Using a famous crime as publicity. But I will be watching the first episode.
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Myster on December 30, 2019, 05:46:12 PM
Wishful thinking on the ebay seller @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
'world of books' are normally reasonably-priced sellers, with a huge warehouse full of old titles. I bought quite a few from them over the years, but this smacks of outrageous profiteering... not that anyone will be stupid enough to buy it!
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Caroline on January 02, 2020, 06:53:58 PM
'world of books' are normally reasonably-priced sellers, with a huge warehouse full of old titles. I bought quite a few from them over the years, but this smacks of outrageous profiteering... not that anyone will be stupid enough to buy it!
You would hope!
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Myster on January 03, 2020, 06:06:32 PM
I also noticed in the full cast list that David Boutflour is referred to only as David, whereas others are given their full surnames. He obviously doesn't want to be associated with it.
A brief review of the first episode... https://www.radiotimes.com/news/2020-01-03/white-house-farm-review/ (https://www.radiotimes.com/news/2020-01-03/white-house-farm-review/)
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Myster on January 04, 2020, 12:18:49 PM
I also noticed in the full cast list that David Boutflour is referred to only as David, whereas others are given their full surnames. He obviously doesn't want to be associated with it.
A brief review of the first episode... https://www.radiotimes.com/news/2020-01-03/white-house-farm-review/ (https://www.radiotimes.com/news/2020-01-03/white-house-farm-review/)
I've always felt most sorry for Nevill, he was obviously a bit of a dude and a legend, but as I've got older I've empathised with June, getting comfort and support from religion when an adored child goes a bit tits and off the radar. I really hope that this drama underlines how Nevill and June both fought like tigers, even when they were terribly injured and frightened. Neither of them gave up until they could fight no more. And I also hope that it shows how Bamber stole something that was never his, the sweetness and promise of Sheila's lovely boys. The boys that he wrote off as "burdens" as he was packing up their stuff in black bin bags as if they were rubbish. Just before he tried to hawk pictures of his sister as though she meant nothing to him. Which, of course, she didn't.
I genuinely think that this drama/series will be the final nail in Bamber's coffin and he will rot away his final years with Philpott, Huntley, Bridger and all the other pieces of crap who stole children's lives away. He could never admit what he did, with the hope of parole, because his grim, shitty life would literally not be worth living. When Bamber's dead (he doesn't look great) the world will be a better, brighter, bird-song, sunrise place.
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: puglove on January 05, 2020, 12:42:53 AM
Come Wednesday, there will be a spike in interest in the blue forum. They will see Mike's filth, NGB's weird crap, barmy Bronwyn's stupid rubbish, ILB's c-word, lookout's bitter ignorance.
Bamber supporters.
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Myster on January 05, 2020, 12:28:54 PM
When this series has finished and all the fuss died down, Bamber's bunch of hybristophiliacs will still be pleading innocence and spreading BS amongst the gullible.
Bring it on Colin... Bamber's had fruitless years in the spotlight, now it's your time to shine...
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Nicholas on January 05, 2020, 01:26:39 PM
My meetings with Jeremy Bamber, the White House Farm murderer 4th Jan 2020
As an ITV drama recounts the infamous story of Jeremy Bamber, author and Telegraph journalist, Roger Wilkes tells how he was asked to help prove his innocence
“I first met Jeremy Bamber in the late summer of 1991, as I was pondering a book about his case. To my tentative first letter, Bamber had replied briskly, pointing out that I was not the first journalist to approach him about his story and asking me not to contact him again unless I was prepared to help. Convicted for the merciless shooting of five members of his family at their farmhouse in Essex in 1985, he wanted to commission a new ballistics report but had no money to pay for it. Without it there would be no prospect of a full appeal hearing, and no co-operation for me. I offered a deal; he agreed to meet.
In the visiting room at Gartree Prison in Leicestershire, in his blue sweatshirt, jeans and trainers, he was still strikingly handsome. The long dark hair of his pre-trial photos had been cropped short but prison pallor had yet to cloud his features and he returned my gaze and handshake firmly. Even before I ventured a conversational icebreaker, he told me that he did not murder his family, and that some day he would prove it.
In 1986 Jeremy Bamber had been found guilty of one of the most notorious crimes of the century – shooting dead his adoptive parents, Nevill and June Bamber, his sister Sheila, also adopted, and her six-year-old twin sons in the dead of a harvest night. Photographs of the crime scene still trouble me. The little boys had been shot in their beds in their sleep, one still sucking his thumb.
No wonder, then, that at first the police believed Jeremy when he blamed the killings on Sheila, who was mentally ill. From the start, Jeremy’s story was that his father had telephoned him in the small hours saying that Sheila had gone mad and had a gun. But a month later, Jeremy Bamber himself was arrested, questioned, tried and convicted on five counts of murder. He is now serving a whole life term.
The famous photograph at the Bamber funeral, as Jeremy appears to buckle under the weight of grief CREDIT: PA During our handful of meetings, Bamber was always friendly and struck me as a man of immense charm, but in time I came to see him as highly persuasive and manipulative; as the twins’ father, Colin Caffell, warned me, Bamber is “an extremely seductive and charismatic person”. At the outset I was perfectly prepared to believe he was innocent, not least because that would have made a better book, especially if I could have helped him prove it. But in the end I could not.
As the adopted son of a wealthy farmer, Bamber stood to gain nearly half a million pounds (about £1.3 million today) from the death of his family. Nevill and June tenanted the 300-acre White House Farm outside the Regency village of Tolleshunt D’Arcy. Within days of their deaths, Bamber was selling off family heirlooms and planning how to spend his inheritance.
But why? When I spoke to those who knew him, it emerged that Jeremy Bamber disliked his parents, was bitterly jealous of his sister and hated his life in the village, tied to the farm. Perhaps his good looks were in themselves a kind of curse. At 24, Bamber was better-looking even than the actor Freddie Fox who plays him in the new ITV drama that begins on Wednesday night. He resented the fact that his parents had supported Sheila to live and work in London as a model before her health broke. It seems he, too, craved a more glamorous life.
At the time of their deaths, the Bambers were under huge stress. Sheila’s marriage had broken down and she was back at White House Farm with her twins. She was taking powerful medication to control bouts of psychosis in which she sometimes believed she was possessed by the Devil.
Jeremy was another worry. Employed on the farm and encouraged to manage the family caravan site to give him more income and status, he made it clear that he was bored and frustrated by the work. He’d been set up in his own cottage in a neighbouring village but was always pleading poverty, piling pressure on his father.
Nevill confided to his secretary that he was afraid that Jeremy might harm him one day. The year before the murders, after reports of intruders at the caravan park, Jeremy began patrolling the site himself, armed with a shotgun. When an uncle warned him he might shoot someone with it, Bamber smirked and remarked: “I could easily kill my parents.”
But many young men resent their families as part of a natural impulse to strike out on their own. Nevill and June had adopted Jeremy when he was only six months old. Perhaps his adoption made any sense of alienation more acute. The fact was that Bamber was ill-equipped to provide for himself and needed his work on the farm. Privately educated, he had failed his A-levels. His parents funded a gap year in Australia and New Zealand where he took an expensive scuba diving course but he always returned home, looking for funds.
Some thought Bamber did what he did because of a serious head injury he had suffered as a boy. He’d fractured his skull sliding down the stairs on a tin tray at White House Farm. Other notorious killers, Fred West among them, have hit their heads in accidents. Although as one forensic psychiatrist pointed out, thousands of people bump their heads and never hurt a soul.
At the heart of this complex story lies one simple, pivotal truth. Either Jeremy Bamber murdered his family or Sheila did. Jeremy himself ruled out any other killer. He told police his father had telephoned him to say that Sheila had gone berserk and had a gun. The Bambers were murdered with a .22 semi-automatic rifle fitted with a silencer, which was later found with blood in it in a cupboard under the stairs. The jury at Bamber’s trial was told the blood in the silencer was Sheila’s, and that, Bamber claims, is what drove them to conclude that she couldn’t possibly have been the killer. The blood sample was tested to destruction, so there is nothing to return to now.
When Bamber asked me to consult Prof Leon MacDonnel in New York, then the world’s leading authority on blood evidence, the photographs of Sheila’s body convinced MacDonnel that, like the others, she had been murdered. Sheila was shot not once, but twice under the chin. Scenes from the kitchen of the farm show Nevill Bamber slumped in a chair by the Aga after a fight to the death where he’d grappled with his killer and been bludgeoned with the butt of the rifle.
The walls were smeared with blood, the breakfast dishes, carefully laid out by June before she went to bed, lay smashed and strewn across the floor. Could slightly-built Sheila have done this? All 25 bullets fired during the killer’s rampage through White House Farm had hit their mark. Everyone I spoke to who knew Sheila, told me she had never shown any interest in guns. Jeremy, by contrast, had been a crack shot with a rifle since his days in the Army Cadets at school. Apart from her bullet wounds, Sheila had no other injuries and not one of her perfectly-manicured nails had been broken.
A year after our first meeting, my book almost finished, I was convinced that Jeremy Bamber had killed them all. To think otherwise would mean accepting that Sheila was the killer and that another young woman, Julie Mugford, Jeremy Bamber’s girlfriend at the time, caused an innocent man to be jailed for life as an act of spite and revenge.
Julie is in the famous photograph at the funeral, holding Jeremy’s arm as he appears to buckle under the weight of grief. She went to the police when Jeremy dumped her to tell them he had confessed to planning and carrying out the murders. Julie said that at the funeral, Jeremy joked that he hoped the cameras would catch his best side. “I should have been an actor,” he’d whispered.
So many questions remain, not least why Jeremy Bamber, if he is indeed guilty, continues to work ceaselessly to prove his innocence. He was naturally disappointed with my book and we ceased contact by mutual agreement. Recent pictures show a pallid, overweight, middle-aged man, scholarly in his metal-rimmed glasses, his youthful looks gone. What else can he do but struggle for redemption? He has nothing left to lose.
Blood Relations by Roger Wilkes will be reissued later this year by Robinson https://www.telegraph.co.uk/family/life/meetings-jeremy-bamber-white-house-farm-murderer/
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: adam on January 05, 2020, 01:47:50 PM
Did not know Bamber used to patrol the caravan site with a shot gun. Was that allowed?
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Holly Goodhead on January 05, 2020, 07:11:35 PM
Not difficult to do, based on the available evidence. CAL created a scenario.
The makers were being lazy. They have a 6 part series & will be using artisic licence some of the time. So I would not complain if the massacre was not exactly how I envisaged it.
It would not have been too gruesome for TV after 9pm. People are killed all the time in films & dramas. A good reconstruction would have been a first & unforgettable drama gold.
Seems like it's going to be a 'Mid Summer Murders' type drama. Padded out over 6 hours . Using a famous crime as publicity. But I will be watching the first episode.
I totally agree, there is sufficient tangible evidence in the form of spent cartridges and blood spatter to re-enact at least some of what occurred in the farmhouse. Only JB knew how to get into the locked farmhouse, he also knew the layout as to who slept where and who would be his greatest threat. We know Nevill Bamber was his first target and was shot as he backed off after opening the bedroom door to a gun wielding madman. We know Nevill staggered downstairs in an attempt to get help, we know June Bamber was shot as she lay in bed. We know that JB followed Nevill downstairs after emptying the rifle into June and that there was a fight for the rifle over the kitchen table in which Nevill was struck with the rifle and slumped into an armchair. We know that JB reloaded the rifle and shot Nevill again in the head. We can only theorise what occurred next with the twins and Sheila Caffell.
IMO the only uncertainty even now is whether Bamber had help and whether he used a bicycle or a car to get to the farmhouse. To be fair to the production team, the sequence of events is also open to some debate so they probably didn't want to theorise too much.
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Angelo222 on January 06, 2020, 10:39:27 AM
Did not know Bamber used to patrol the caravan site with a shot gun. Was that allowed?
I do hope the drama includes events which occurred prior to the killings as they were an indicator of things to come. His escapades in Australia are also important as far as context goes.
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Caroline on January 06, 2020, 12:03:46 PM
I do hope the drama includes events which occurred prior to the killings as they were an indicator of things to come. His escapades in Australia are also important as far as context goes.
It starts from Jeremy's the phone coll to the police.
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Myster on January 06, 2020, 12:45:13 PM
Crikey! Every Tom, Dick and Harriet wants a piece of the action. Further gratuitous potty-mouthing, but I'll forgive them this time because they reached the right conclusion...
Crikey! Every Tom, Dick and Harriet wants a piece of the action. Further gratuitous potty-mouthing, but I'll forgive them this time because they reached the right conclusion...
Crikey! Every Tom, Dick and Harriet wants a piece of the action. Further gratuitous potty-mouthing, but I'll forgive them this time because they reached the right conclusion...
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Myster on January 06, 2020, 06:37:31 PM
Leo the Lion bites back!... https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/10683033/jeremy-bamber-white-house-farm-sheila-caffell/ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/10683033/jeremy-bamber-white-house-farm-sheila-caffell/)
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: puglove on January 06, 2020, 07:29:14 PM
Leo the Lion bites back!... https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/10683033/jeremy-bamber-white-house-farm-sheila-caffell/ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/10683033/jeremy-bamber-white-house-farm-sheila-caffell/)
Get in there Leo, my son!!
Roll on Wednesday!!
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Angelo222 on January 06, 2020, 10:58:35 PM
Leo the Lion bites back!... https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/10683033/jeremy-bamber-white-house-farm-sheila-caffell/ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/10683033/jeremy-bamber-white-house-farm-sheila-caffell/)
He claims that it was down to Jeremy or Sheila but the notion that an anorexic like Sheila could have physically wrestled with Nevill Bamber is a non starter. I also think the hitman claim is rubbish as too many things could have gone wrong. IMO Jeremy Bamber set up the scene in advance of the murders, he placed the rifle and ammunition where they were of most use, he made sure that neither Nevill nor June could phone out for help from the master bedroom, he made sure that Sheila was medicated and wouldn't be a threat to him and he made sure that there was an open window so that he could sneak in after everyone had gone to bed.
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Myster on January 07, 2020, 07:30:47 AM
More from a non-monobrowed Freddie... https://theface.com/culture/freddie-fox-actor-white-house-farm-itv-jeremy-bamber (https://theface.com/culture/freddie-fox-actor-white-house-farm-itv-jeremy-bamber)
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: APRIL on January 07, 2020, 08:38:23 AM
More from a non-monobrowed Freddie... https://theface.com/culture/freddie-fox-actor-white-house-farm-itv-jeremy-bamber (https://theface.com/culture/freddie-fox-actor-white-house-farm-itv-jeremy-bamber)
More from a non-monobrowed Freddie... https://theface.com/culture/freddie-fox-actor-white-house-farm-itv-jeremy-bamber (https://theface.com/culture/freddie-fox-actor-white-house-farm-itv-jeremy-bamber)
Blimey, Myster, you do find the best stuff!!
Freddie Fox and his treasure box.
8(*(
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Holly Goodhead on January 07, 2020, 02:37:39 PM
More from a non-monobrowed Freddie... https://theface.com/culture/freddie-fox-actor-white-house-farm-itv-jeremy-bamber (https://theface.com/culture/freddie-fox-actor-white-house-farm-itv-jeremy-bamber)
I wonder how the actors and all those involved will feel when JB's conviction is overturned.
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Myster on January 07, 2020, 03:26:46 PM
I wonder how the actors and all those involved will feel when JB's conviction is overturned.
There's as much chance of that happening as Rebecca Long Bailey becoming PM and your abduction theory being taken seriously by the OG Four.
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Myster on January 07, 2020, 03:41:53 PM
Yet more from Freddie Fox and Mark Addy on their WHF roles. You need to sign in or sign up to the ITV hub to see the full nine minute 'This Morning' interview. Simple enough, no problem. Sign up here... https://www.itv.com/hub/user/signup (https://www.itv.com/hub/user/signup)
Or if not, a much shorter excerpt here... https://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/jeremy-bamber-actor-explains-didnt-21231822 (https://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/jeremy-bamber-actor-explains-didnt-21231822)
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Caroline on January 07, 2020, 04:20:40 PM
I wonder how the actors and all those involved will feel when JB's conviction is overturned.
I bet they'll feel like I will when I sprout massive wings and fly up to the moon. With Lord Lucan and Shergar.
8)-)))
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Myster on January 08, 2020, 07:23:24 AM
"He told them that after the sound of a shot the line had gone dead."
Just shows how myths are reported and spread... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-51024716 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-51024716)
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Myster on January 08, 2020, 11:02:15 AM
"He told them that after the sound of a shot the line had gone dead."
Just shows how myths are reported and spread... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-51024716 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-51024716)
Human rights campaigner Peter Tatchell said Bamber "clearly did not have a fair trial" as evidence had been suppressed. He said: "I have only ever corresponded with Jeremy Bamber by letter and he comes across as a very balanced, kind, intelligent man. "I cannot say whether he is guilty or not, but certainly from the evidence I have heard from people who have met him, and evidence of former prisoners with him, he does not fit the profile of a mass murderer."
Would be interested to learn what Peter Tatchells understanding is of a mass murderers profile and how many mass murderers he’s corresponded with
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Holly Goodhead on January 08, 2020, 03:16:16 PM
But Colin and Cressida are not forensic scientists.
This series is a drama not a documentary with input from appropriately qualified people about a serious subject.
The producers know such a drama will pull in audiences and make money.
I can understand Colin Caffell writing a book in the aftermath but I can't understand why he wishes to produce an updated version 3 decades on if not just to make money. Why now? Why did he not wish to get involved when CAL sought him out?
JB is serving a whole life sentence and until such time he can provide compelling new evidence to undermine his conviction he will not be going anywhere so what is the purpose of such a drama?
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Nicholas on January 08, 2020, 03:36:59 PM
JB is serving a whole life sentence and until such time he can provide compelling new evidence to undermine his conviction he will not be going anywhere so what is the purpose of such a drama?
He won’t ever provide any ‘compelling new evidence’ because he is factually guilty and there is nothing to find.
This drama may well help expose the innocence fraud being perpetuated in the UK.
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Nicholas on January 08, 2020, 04:20:08 PM
“The drama also stars Alexa Davies, from Rhyl, as Jeremy Bamber's girlfriend at the time of the murders, who played an important role in the investigation.
Davies portrays Julie Mugford in the ITV series. Her second statement to police in September 1985 led to the arrest of Bamber.
In this statement, which reportedly differed from her initial account, Mugford alleged her boyfriend had been planning to kill his family.
The situation was complicated for the 20-year-old though, as expressed recently by Davies - who is best known for her role in 2018's Mamma Mia! Here We Go Again.
The 24-year-old said Mugford had "so many things to consider" and was ultimately "left with this choice to make."
She said the choices were between "doing the right thing and go to the police even though she had no evidence and didn't really have any reason to think anyone would believe her," and "keeping it to herself for the rest of her life, which would be a very selfish thing to do.
She added: "But she was 20 and in love and just wanted to get married and to have her life with this man."
The six-part series has been described by ITV bosses as a "fascinating insight" into what happened on that fateful night in 1985.
Speaking to the RadioTimes, she said: "From reading the scripts and research and meeting Paul [Whittington, the director], there are so many layers to this story and so many layers to her."
Willow Grylls, executive producer for New Pictures, said: "This notorious case has been the subject of much debate, and our programme focuses on the impact of the human tragedy."
And writer Kris Mrksa added: "This is an incredibly compelling true crime story, but it's the human dimension of these events that gripped my imagination, particularly after reading Colin Caffell’s book.
"So much discussion of the case has focused on contested legal details, but I wanted to tell this story in a way that did justice to the devastating emotional truth of what happened."
Julie Mugford wanted to marry a man whom she suspected of killing his parents, sister, and six year old twin nephews?
And, don't forget he had dumped her--------------.
She was subject to an intense grilling on the witness stand which reduced her to tears at one point, and the jury believed her truths over Bamber's lies.
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Myster on January 08, 2020, 05:30:50 PM
But Colin and Cressida are not forensic scientists.
This series is a drama not a documentary with input from appropriately qualified people about a serious subject.
The producers know such a drama will pull in audiences and make money.
I can understand Colin Caffell writing a book in the aftermath but I can't understand why he wishes to produce an updated version 3 decades on if not just to make money. Why now? Why did he not wish to get involved when CAL sought him out?
JB is serving a whole life sentence and until such time he can provide compelling new evidence to undermine his conviction he will not be going anywhere so what is the purpose of such a drama?
Are you denying Colin Caffell the right to vent his opinion and correct the lies that Bamber has promoted for 33 years? Get involved with CAL in what capacity?... he already wrote to her expressing his viewpoint in Appendix II of her book. And there's nothing like a good true crime drama... it's been done before in the 1990s so why not again now?
Perhaps in your defence of Bamber you agree with the vile sentiments he expressed to Colin Caffell...
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Myster on January 08, 2020, 06:22:11 PM
The complete Lorraine interview thanks to Steve_uk... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUn9hIdNDVI&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUn9hIdNDVI&feature=youtu.be)
Freddie Fox and Mark Addy... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raJWfQQRwNs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raJWfQQRwNs)
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Nicholas on January 09, 2020, 12:12:32 AM
“Carol Ann Lee, the author of The Murders at White House Farm: Jeremy Bamber and the killing of his family, told press that she contacted Bamber while he was in prison in the process of putting together her book.
She said at the programme’s launch that Bamber was not always forthcoming with details. Lee explained: ‘When I was writing the book on the case I corresponded with Jeremy for about three years, and at the end of that I handed all my material over to the [production] team. And Freddie [Fox] read all those letters.
The thing with Jeremy is he will tell you what he wants to tell you. There were many times when I asked questions and he would send back a 15-page, very interesting letter. And the last line would be, “Oh I’m so sorry I forgot to answer your question. Remind me in your next letter and I’ll answer it again.” ‘So the next letter would have about 10 of the last questions that he still hadn’t answered. You get what he wants you to get.’
But Colin and Cressida are not forensic scientists.
This series is a drama not a documentary with input from appropriately qualified people about a serious subject.
The producers know such a drama will pull in audiences and make money.
I can understand Colin Caffell writing a book in the aftermath but I can't understand why he wishes to produce an updated version 3 decades on if not just to make money. Why now? Why did he not wish to get involved when CAL sought him out?
JB is serving a whole life sentence and until such time he can provide compelling new evidence to undermine his conviction he will not be going anywhere so what is the purpose of such a drama?
Jeremy and the CT are regularly in the news bleating on about new evidence - if Colin now wishes to readdress the balance, good on him. He has a right to comment and as he stated, the drama was going ahead anyway, so better to be part of it and have some input.
The drama is the result of CAL's book, but such things take a while to organise - his input is clearly the result of the book so the answer to you question is - he did.
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Caroline on January 09, 2020, 03:30:07 PM
“Carol Ann Lee, the author of The Murders at White House Farm: Jeremy Bamber and the killing of his family, told press that she contacted Bamber while he was in prison in the process of putting together her book.
She said at the programme’s launch that Bamber was not always forthcoming with details. Lee explained: ‘When I was writing the book on the case I corresponded with Jeremy for about three years, and at the end of that I handed all my material over to the [production] team. And Freddie [Fox] read all those letters.
The thing with Jeremy is he will tell you what he wants to tell you. There were many times when I asked questions and he would send back a 15-page, very interesting letter. And the last line would be, “Oh I’m so sorry I forgot to answer your question. Remind me in your next letter and I’ll answer it again.” ‘So the next letter would have about 10 of the last questions that he still hadn’t answered. You get what he wants you to get.’
“I noticed in the later stage of our correspondence that when I asked him questions that were more searching of him, and where I’d found a couple of discrepancies, he would send a letter in which he would say ‘I’m really sorry I haven’t answered your questions’.
“I haven’t said it in the book but I feel he did not want to answer those questions because they were too difficult for him,” she adds.
There were only two occasions when Lee’s questions irritated him.
“One occasion came after I had taken a taxi into town and was told by the driver that he used to teach rugby at the prison.
"He said Jeremy never took part and described him as ‘the most evil man in Britain’.
"I asked Jeremy: ‘How does it feel to have someone describe you like that?’
"He told me that it hurts and said, ‘I’m not that person’.”
Lee is sanguine about her dealings with Jeremy.
“He clearly never believed I would remain impartial and of course it can never be a friendship.
“Speaking movingly about his family could have been a means to an end, and from the first letter, when he flattered me and said he had read one of my books, you do wonder about manipulation https://www.express.co.uk/news/history/595845/Inside-the-mind-of-a-murderer-Carol-Ann-Lee-Jeremy-Bamber
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: John on January 10, 2020, 09:01:03 PM
Jeremy and I spoke on the phone two or three times a week and I sent him a generous monthly allowance. We shared our hopes and dreams and I always told him he was an extended part of my family. I just wanted him to feel that he belonged and I told him I would always support him no matter what. He always told me I was one of his closest friends and one of the only people he could trust. When I went on holiday, he made me promise to email him, he always phoned me on Christmas day and I truly believed our friendship was genuine. I continued to do whatever I could to help him, even tracking down a retired senior Essex Police Officer for his help which he initially said he would do, then asked me never to contact him again! Jeremy has sent me many documents which have never been in the public domain but I can say that none of them absolutely proved his innocence. There is one though, which indicates that there MAY have been life inside the house while Jeremy was outside but that needs investigating further. Jeremy is witty, makes me laugh and usually cheeful in spite of the conditions he lives under. I discovered though that he has a dark side. He was often very evasive when I asked him questions about the case and if I ever disagreed with a piece of evidence or events, he would turn on me and shout and swear. He told me lots of lies and in the end I took everything he said with a pinch of salt. On my birthday last year, he sent me a lovely card telling me what a special friend I was and he promised to be with me to celebrate in 2014. Then things changed drasticall between us. . . . . . . .
I hear what you are saying Holly but there is a difference between offloading on friends and being controlling, manipulative and abusive. No one treats their friends like that. This is certainly not the way to behave if you claim to be a MOJ. Jeremy comes from a decent family and had an excellent education and should have been taught basic manners. Also you say you would never become involved with a person in his position. Well, he is no different to the rest of us - he is just locked away. If we didn't become emotionally involved with our friends then we would all be robots!
When we look back at his life before and shortly after the murders he was described as arrogant and controlling. It seems he hasn't changed and is losing friends left right and centre. I have been to the highest level and take it from me MOJ or not, Jeremy is never ever going to be released.
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Nicholas on January 12, 2020, 09:06:07 PM
“The drama also stars Alexa Davies, from Rhyl, as Jeremy Bamber's girlfriend at the time of the murders, who played an important role in the investigation.
Davies portrays Julie Mugford in the ITV series. Her second statement to police in September 1985 led to the arrest of Bamber.
In this statement, which reportedly differed from her initial account, Mugford alleged her boyfriend had been planning to kill his family.
The situation was complicated for the 20-year-old though, as expressed recently by Davies - who is best known for her role in 2018's Mamma Mia! Here We Go Again.
The 24-year-old said Mugford had "so many things to consider" and was ultimately "left with this choice to make."
She said the choices were between "doing the right thing and go to the police even though she had no evidence and didn't really have any reason to think anyone would believe her," and "keeping it to herself for the rest of her life, which would be a very selfish thing to do.
She added: "But she was 20 and in love and just wanted to get married and to have her life with this man."
The six-part series has been described by ITV bosses as a "fascinating insight" into what happened on that fateful night in 1985.
Speaking to the RadioTimes, she said: "From reading the scripts and research and meeting Paul [Whittington, the director], there are so many layers to this story and so many layers to her."
Willow Grylls, executive producer for New Pictures, said: "This notorious case has been the subject of much debate, and our programme focuses on the impact of the human tragedy."
And writer Kris Mrksa added: "This is an incredibly compelling true crime story, but it's the human dimension of these events that gripped my imagination, particularly after reading Colin Caffell’s book.
"So much discussion of the case has focused on contested legal details, but I wanted to tell this story in a way that did justice to the devastating emotional truth of what happened."
"But she was 20 and in love and just wanted to get married and have her life with this man"
Yet she suspected him of having carried out the murders-----------??
Might not be true, of course: it might just be the opinion of the actress who is playing Julie.
Julie Mugford appears to have had a trauma bond with Bamber.
If you listen to her interview here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k96gmbXLoMw @ around 16.30 she says from around Christmas 84 Bamber had talked about poisoning his family and of burning the house down. She goes on to say ‘He used to say things to shock people” these ‘off hand comments’ were narcissistic Bambers psychologically abusive personality traits which Julie Mugford appears to have ‘brushed off’
“Trauma bonds and cognitive dissonance tend to override the type of logic needed to get out of a toxic relationship”
Julie Mugford was in a relationship with a pathological individual; these types of relationships differ from relationships with non pathological individuals
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Nicholas on January 12, 2020, 11:41:59 PM
If you listen to her interview here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k96gmbXLoMw @ around 16.30 she says from around Christmas 84 Bamber had talked about poisoning his family and of burning the house down. She goes on to say ‘He used to say things to shock people”
Comments like this by Bamber may well have set off alarm bells in the mind of 20 year old Julie Mugford but by this time she appears to have already been under his spell and hooked in.
“Sometimes we deceive ourselves, we make excuses, we change who we are, we give up on ourselves even and to our families, we explain it away”
And this it what it seems Julie Mugford did
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Myster on January 13, 2020, 07:09:43 PM
Another podcaster jumping on the Bamber tumbril, telling us nothing we don't already know...
Very slipshod... "Nicholas and David (sic) shot in their beds... three shots to one and two to the other (sic again)" and that awful squeaky woman's voice, not to mention those noisy irritating adverts which burst in when you least expect them.
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Caroline on January 14, 2020, 01:46:09 AM
Very slipshod... "Nicholas and David (sic) shot in their beds... three shots to one and two to the other (sic again)" and that awful squeaky woman's voice, not to mention those noisy irritating adverts which burst in when you least expect them.
Wow! Pretty bad research! Unforgivable really!
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Nicholas on January 14, 2020, 03:32:54 PM
Julie Mugford appears to have had a trauma bond with Bamber.
If you listen to her interview here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k96gmbXLoMw @ around 16.30 she says from around Christmas 84 Bamber had talked about poisoning his family and of burning the house down. She goes on to say ‘He used to say things to shock people” these ‘off hand comments’ were narcissistic Bambers psychologically abusive personality traits which Julie Mugford appears to have ‘brushed off’
“Trauma bonds and cognitive dissonance tend to override the type of logic needed to get out of a toxic relationship”
Julie Mugford was in a relationship with a pathological individual; these types of relationships differ from relationships with non pathological individuals
There’s no mention here https://jeremybamber.org/julie-mugford/ of Jeremy Bambers comments to JM about his plans to poison his family or burn WHF down but the CT are presenting clear evidence of Bambers psychological abuse of JM.
Aggression and compliance ‘Emotional abuse is a complex experience. The victim may alternate between passivity and aggression. Sometimes the victim expresses anger and hostility toward other people because of the pent-up anger of having to live with an abusive person and other times he or she may be docile and compliant. This cycle of diametrically opposite behavior can be rapid and seemingly illogical to everyone.
Sometimes the abused victim takes all the negative energy that surrounds him or her and either explodes, becoming aggressive towards others, or implodes and becomes deeply depressed and withdrawn.
The internal turmoil within the victim can lead to out-of-character emotional expressions. Some victims of emotional abuse are very bothered by how they have changed for the worse as a result of being around their abusive partner. https://www.gosmartlife.com/emotional-abuse-in-marriage/what-emotional-can-do-to-a-person
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Nicholas on January 14, 2020, 05:59:38 PM
Julie Mugford appears to have had a trauma bond with Bamber.
If you listen to her interview here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k96gmbXLoMw @ around 16.30 she says from around Christmas 84 Bamber had talked about poisoning his family and of burning the house down. She goes on to say ‘He used to say things to shock people”
When JM was asked why she didn’t go to the police before, she explains how the police thought it was murder/suicide and she didn’t think people would believe her.
NGB made a post recently on the Bamber forum regarding JM and the possibility of her having been arrested?
There’s no evidence to suggest she was* but in the Simon Hall case, it didn’t become clear to me that Jamie Barker had also been arrested and questioned under caution by Suffolk police and considered a possible suspect until around the time of the Zenith burglary discovery in 2012/13. It was following this that I recognised Simon Hall and all his previous legal representatives had never requested full disclosure on this fact - either pre-trial nor in the years that followed.
*Someone would have surely got wind of JM having been arrested, one of her friends around the time for example, and spilled the beans before now?
I found it interesting when NGB raised this on the Bamber board and wondered how long he’d considered this to be a possibility?
I don’t agree and think she went to the police voluntarily
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Nicholas on January 18, 2020, 09:22:57 PM
Latest News 19.12.19 Statement regarding the White House Farm ITV drama. “We first became aware of a planned ITV drama about Jeremy’s case in December 2017, and took immediate steps to offer our assistance by contacting Kim Varvell at Production Company ‘New Pictures’, Commissioning Editor Kevin Lygo at ITV and writer Chris Mrska. We were willing to provide access to brand new forensic reports, our team of scientists, the case material, fresh evidence, and Jeremy and his legal team. Our offers were ignored, and we believe therefore, that the drama can only be based on factually incorrect and very out of date material. Our campaign is not only about proving Jeremy’s innocence, but protecting the memory of his much-loved family who will undoubtedly have their characters dissected and denigrated in order to make sensationalised television. This will not benefit anyone, least of all Jeremy in his fight for justice, but will simply be a money pot for ITV, reaping in millions of pounds from a family tragedy that is still unresolved. We need to make it clear that the Jeremy Bamber Campaign, Jeremy, and his legal team, do not endorse this drama. Mark Newby, Jeremy’s solicitor, has written to ITV requesting that owing to the sensitivity in the current legal approaches that have been made to the High Court that the drama at the very least be postponed. Mr Newby of Quality Solicitors Jordans wrote: “We have written to the producers of the Drama Series and invited them to postpone the broadcast of this series whilst matters are resolved in the High Court . We have intimated that we are concerned that such a drama series by its nature will place a fictitious narrative in the public domain which may be counter productive to the administration of justice in due course.” We sincerely hope that in the interests of fairness and justice that ITV accede to this request. 09.12.19 The application for Judicial Review against the Crown Prosecution Service. On 6 December 2019, Jeremy Bamber’s legal team served a Judicial Review application against the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) following their repeated refusal to disclose key documentation to the defence. The decision to take action followed over three years of discussions between Jeremy’s legal team and various Heads of department at the CPS. The Judicial Review is specific to two defined areas. 1. Directions made by the Court of Appeal in 2001/2002 for full disclosure of police and forensic material that have never been complied with. Partial disclosure was made after the appeal concluded, however PII rules at the time prevented this being disclosed to Jeremy and the campaign team. In 2011 this material was finally disclosed and subsequent analysis resulted in a comprehensive schedule detailing exactly what is missing. This includes forensic documents, photographs and police/scientist/civilian statements. The directions were presented to the CPS with details of exactly what was still undisclosed, yet disclosure has been refused. 2. Fresh documentary and scientific evidence was provided to the CPS together with a detailed forensic report which set out how we are able to show conclusively that two silencers were seized from White House Farm, that were both forensically examined, and were both found to have blood and paint contaminates on and in them, in different areas, contaminates which increased over time. The police data base “Holmes” Box reference numbers were provided for the material, as well as the reasons this evidence is important, including the necessity for the defence to establish a complete chain of evidence for the two silencers, and to enable this material to be submitted to the CCRC in as a complete and substantial application as possible. The claim is now in the hands of the Administrative Court to consider and we will advise, if appropriate, as and when permission for a hearing is granted.
Statement from Mark Newby, Solicitor representing Jeremy Bamber Jeremy Bamber: Judicial Review against the Crown Prosecution Service Posted on December 9, 2019 Today the Guardian Newspaper has published an article which confirms that on Friday 6th December Judicial Review Proceedings were issued against the Crown Prosecution Service over significant non-disclosure we can comment as follows: We have been engaged in an extensive dialogue with the Crown Prosecution Service for sometime as our investigation in conjunction with the team supporting this case has uncovered what appears to be significant evidence supporting the fact that there has been a miscarriage of justice. However in order that we can progress this case further essential further disclosure is required which has been set out to the Crown Prosecution Service in precise terms. It is disappointing that the CPS has chosen not to engage with that process and accordingly there is no alternative but to pursue that judicial review , particularly in circumstances where it appears that this may demonstrate that a misleading position was placed before the jury in relation to the forensic evidence . We do not propose to comment further upon the matter whist judicial review proceedings are underway. We are aware that this case gives rise to huge media interest, but we would recommend caution whilst proceedings are underway in view of the consequences to this litigation and any future appeal. Read a statement from Jeremy Bamber here --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Update: 19.10.19 New evidence further supports Jeremy's 3.36 call to the police made 10 minutes after his father's at 3.26, reported in the Mirror today online, and on the Front page and double page spread of the print edition. To view the evidence found in 2010 on the call logs alongside the lastest evidence click here. There is also a video explaining the issue from 2010 here. Read the statement from, Jeremy's solicitor, Mark Newby here This comes after the Guardian reported that the jury did not know that the blood found in the sound moderator, which apparently matched the group of Sheila Caffell, also matched estate beneficiary Robert Boutflour. In 2002, at the last Appeal, it could not be proven that Sheila's DNA was ever in the sound moderator. Update 03.07.19 Jeremy Bamber's lawyer, Mark Newby, is currently in an ongoing discussion with the CPS regarding the non-disclosure of key evidence. At the time of the trial the Defence did not know that there was more than one sound moderator seized by police. One came from the relatives (later estate beneficiaries) who found the moderator at the house days after the police had finished their work. The other was probably taken by police from the house before the end of their scenes of crime work. It is impossible to tell the difference between them at various times, but disclosed paperwork shows that there were two moderators being examined on the same day, each with different contaminates and having different characteristics. This means that we can be certain there were two. A new forensic report has been given to the CPS which supports this evidence together with a legal a request for disclosure of all chain of evidence material. The report also brings into question the integrity of the police forensic examinations. These moderators (silencers) were swapped and used interchangeably by police. Furthermore, it is impossible to know which one was examined for the 2002 Appeal in which there was no DNA from Sheila Caffell obtained, but there was DNA from an unidentified male. There is a possibility the DNA came from one of the Bamber estate beneficiaries, Robert Boutflour, who had an identical blood group to Sheila. The trial court was not told about this simple fact, even when the jury asked if Robert Boutflour and the beneficiaries had financial motive to lie. This issue was recently reported in the Guardian by Eric Allison and Simon Hattenstone. https://www.jeremy-bamber.co.uk/case
Convicted rapist and murderer Liam Reid argued similar to Bamber and that of his legal team and supporters in 2018
‘He is arguing that the show could present a "real risk of prejudging matters or issues that are to be imminently before the courts especially in the event that [Reid's] appeals are allowed in whole or part thereby resulting in a retrial".
"I have always maintained my innocence in relation to the Christchurch matter and the Dunedin matter," Reid said in an affidavit. https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11989704
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Nicholas on January 21, 2020, 06:27:44 PM
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Nicholas on January 21, 2020, 06:52:58 PM
Jeremy Bamber's chilling cruelty towards animals when he was just a child exposed
When he was still a child, Bamber was often cruel to small defenceless animals.
James' son, Robert, has chilling memories of the young Bamber.
He said: "He could be very cruel to animals and he used to take great delight in throwing stones at waterhen chicks and hitting farm animals with sticks."
🎀 Michelle Diskin Bates 🎀 @Michelle_Diskin I won’t back a claim unless I can see the case evidence...there is none linking Robin to his wife’s murder...but much pointing away - towards other hands. The murderer is walking free, and may even have killed again
I cannot get away from the fact that Michelle (nee Diskin) Bates apparent values appear to conflict with her behaviours, which in turn would be suggestive of moral duplicity?
At the bottom of this blog https://jeremybamber.blogspot.com/2016/08/justice-is-never-served-by-conviction.html
It’s says,
Article in The Justice Gap by Michelle Bates Posted by Jeremy Bamber at Thursday, August 04, 2016
The article was published 13th Feb 2015 here https://www.thejusticegap.com/innocent-innocent-enough/
At the end of the article Michelle Diskin Bates states,
“Surely the state has a moral duty to correct its wrongs and to reinstate that which was wrongly taken away?”
Michelle Diskin Bates should consider her own ‘morals’ before making demands of others.
When does she plan to ‘correct’ her own wrong-doings??
For example,
it’s been pointed out to her numerous times nighttime TV didn’t exist in 1985 yet she chooses to continue to attempt to deceive others. Why? We know she ‘lurks’ on this forum by her own admissions.
(Her ‘Not innocent enough’ petition received a total of 354 signatures https://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/not-innocent-enough-unlawful)
‘People who value morality and make it a part of their identity are less likely to be hypocritical
‘Hypocrites are likely to gain motivation from a desire to look good, more than an internal desire to satisfy personal goals.
‘Narcissists, either by nature or as the result of fame (Infamy), have a greater sense of entitlement and therefore are more likely to excuse themselves for their failings. https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/fulfillment-any-age/201603/5-ways-spot-the-hypocrites-in-your-life
Why is Michelle Diskin Bates choosing to be morally duplicious?
‘The idea of doubleness is at the core of duplicity. Duplicity comes from a Latin word meaning "double" or "twofold," and its original meaning in English has to do with a kind of deception in which you intentionally hide your true feelings or intentions behind false words or actions. If you are being duplicitous there are two yous: the one you're showing and the one you're hiding. And—key to the idea of duplicity—you're hiding that you in order to make people believe something that's not true.
The word is found in many works of literature, including the Bible:
The integrity of the upright guides them, but the unfaithful are destroyed by their duplicity. — Proverbs 11:3 (New International Version) https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/duplicity
Michelle Diskin Bates on the Bamber case,
‘No, I and the many others do NOT make things up in this case, everything is taken from documents”. https://mobile.twitter.com/Michelle_Diskin/status/1225160056238460931
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Nicholas on February 06, 2020, 12:50:31 PM
Jeremy Bamber lawyers challenge CPS over withheld evidence By Eric Allison and Simon Hattenstone
Lawyers representing Jeremy Bamber, who is serving a whole life sentence for killing his adoptive parents, sister and her six-year-old twin boys in 1985, have launched a high court challenge to the Crown Prosecution Service for its failure to disclose evidence they say would undermine the safety of his conviction.
But a week before the trial, the head of biology at Huntingdon Forensic Science Laboratories wrote to Essex police in a letter seen by the Guardian last year, saying the blood on the silencer “could have come from Sheila Caffell or Robert Boutflour”, another relative. That letter was not disclosed to the defence.
Last year, the Guardian reported on a letter sent to Bamber’s lawyers from the then head of special crime at the CPS on this issue. It stated that while he did not believe there was evidence of a second silencer, if any emerged it “would significantly undermine the case against JB [Jeremy Bamber] and any material supporting such a possibility would plainly be material which casts doubt on the safety of the conviction.”
Earlier this year a peer-reviewed report compiled by Phillip Boyce, a ballistics expert at Forensic Equity Ltd, was sent to the CPS suggesting there had been more than one silencer. Boyce, who has advised governments and the United Nations on ballistics, concluded that, based on differing groove patterns, sizes and exhibit numbers, “at least two sound moderators had been examined in this case”. Boyce believes both silencers contain blood that could belong to either Caffell or Robert Boutflour. The CPS has dismissed his findings, without employing its own expert to study his report, as is the protocol.
Mark Newby, a solicitor advocate from QualitySolicitors Jordans, which represents Bamber, said: “It is disappointing that the CPS has not agreed to provide material that is needed by an independent expert to support the overwhelming inference that a second silencer was examined during the police and forensic science service investigations. We hope that this can quickly be resolved so that the expert can get on with his job and the case can be put back before the court of appeal in order to correct this very grave miscarriage of justice.” https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/dec/08/jeremy-bamber-lawyers-challenge-cps-over-withheld-evidence
How embarrassing
Interesting to see a solicitor, who I presume isn’t involved directly with the case, to be seen to openly support Bamber
dean kingham @deankingham A very good 2018 for the @SwainSolicitors prison law team. Highlights include cat a downgrades, convictions quashed, innocent people released by the Parole Board, accused individuals found not guilty. 2019 will be better. I have a feeling Bamber and Stone will have good years. 1:04 AM · Jan 1, 2019·Twitter for iPhone https://mobile.twitter.com/deankingham/status/1079906216472653824
In relation to the Mark Alexander case Dean Kingham states,
‘Don’t claim it’s factual. No nothing about the case. Until today hadn’t heard of it. I head the team at Swain and Co prison dept but don’t know every case we have” (sic) 8th Dec 2019
“I’ve already made it clear I don’t know about this case.” (1:25 PM · Dec 9, 2019)
Does he know the ins and outs of the Bamber case or is he ‘blindly supporting’ the campaign?
‘Well known to Parole Board members, Dean is highly experienced in challenging prison authorities. His reputation of being fearless in arguments to the board has led to him to represent some of the most high profile prisoners. Dean is passionate about miscarriages of Justice and is committed to assisting prisoners who maintain their innocence. He writes articles for organisations assisting those whom maintain their innocence. https://www.associationofprisonlawyers.co.uk/employees/dean-kingham/
Systemic Bias Against Prisoners Who Maintain Innocence - 7th Jan 2019
We publish, below, a recent press release from Progressing Prisoners Maintaining Innocence (PPMI), following on a meeting, arranged by them, at the House of Commons on 10 December:
“Some 60 people met at the House of Commons on 10th December to review the problems faced by wrongly convicted prisoners, ex-prisoners maintaining innocence, and their families. Highlight of the meeting was a vigorous discussion about how best to improve the efforts made to recognise their situation in jail, and after release, and how to improve attitudes in the legal profession.
The meeting was attended by solicitors and other legal professionals working in the field, and representatives of groups campaigning for justice for wrongly convicted prisoners, ex-prisoners maintaining innocence and the families of prisoners.
The meeting opened with four presentations by Dean Kingham (Parole Board lead solicitor for the Association of Prison Lawyers), Dr. Ruth Tully (a forensic psychologist specialising in the field) and two ex-prisoners who had each served a decades-long prison sentence while continuing to maintain innocence.
A lengthy and robust discussion followed. The many difficult issues raised included –
· the patronising indifference of the legal and prison systems to the claims of innocence from convicted prisoners
· the assumption that every conviction is correct in fact as well as in law
· the specific penalties inflicted on prisoners for denying guilt, including longer sentences
· the huge problems prisoners claiming innocence have coping with frustration
· the need for prison psychologists to accept that some prisoners have been wrongly convicted, and respond accordingly
· the failure of the system to recognise that there are a significant number of individuals in prison whom are innocent and were wrongly convicted
· the expensive pointlessness of the CCRC which refuses to investigate possible miscarriages, and claims it cannot do so
· the dire shortage of legal aid after conviction
· the failure of the legal system to disclose unused evidence to prisoners.
The meeting concluded that the undeniable evidence of systemic bias against prisoners who maintain innocence needed serious attention at the highest level.
A question posed to Dean Kingham was whether the Parole Board was fit for purpose? He gave a robust talk indicating the faults within our system primarily rest with the Justice Minister, the Ministry of Justice and Parliament. He gave a number of pertinent examples.
Without any specific or justifiable reason, spending years more in prison after expiry of the sentence was vigorously condemned. Furthermore, the consequences of wrongful convictions had proven costly to the public purse, and to the individuals and their families – an aspect of wrongful convictions which ought to concern all tax-payers.
The consensus view of the meeting was the need to address these issues seriously, and at the highest legal and political levels. Such executive action was long overdue.
The meeting was organized by ‘Progressing Prisoners Maintaining Innocence’ https://mojoscotland.org/systemic-bias-against-prisoners-who-maintain-innocence/
Dean Kingham, Head of Prison Law, Public Law and Crime, Swain & Co. Parole Board Lead for the Association of Prison Lawyers (APL): “Swain and Co specialise in dealing with prisoners stuck in the system, high profile, and complex cases. We instruct psychologists regularly and require forensic psychologists at the forefront of their profession. We have always found Tully Forensic Psychology to be leaders in the world of forensic psychology. The team is lead by Dr Ruth Tully, whom has developed psychological research applicable to prisoners and rehabilitation. The reports are of great assistance to us in arguing that prisoners should move through the system, progress to open conditions, or be released. The team often face very probing questions from The Parole Board and are able to explain and develop the evidence within their reports extremely well. We have found the assessments and reports to be key components in arguing clients’ applications to The Parole Board. They are leaders in the world of forensic psychology.” https://tullyforensicpsychology.com/testimonials/
“On Monday 10th December, I attended the House of Commons at the Progressing Prisoners Maintaining Innocence (PPMI) Annual Lecture, ‘Is the Parole Process Fit for Purpose? Releasing Safe Individuals Promptly.’ This event was attended by guest speakers, Dean Kingham, Head of Prison and Public Law at Swain & Co, Ruth Tully, forensic psychologist from Tully Forensic Psychology and two ex-prisoners, Chris and Cookie. It was a thought-provoking evening and it was great to meet so many passionate people who work helping those wrongly convicted, and as well many inspiring families who have been gravely affected by miscarriages of justice. Dean Kingham was the first to answer the ever-important question, ‘Is the Parole Process Fit for Purpose?’ Dean was instructed by Mr Worboys in the Judicial Review, is in front of the parole board daily at oral hearings, and has been involved in many poignant cases in the past few years, namely The Queen (on the Application of Wakenshaw) v The Secretary of State for Justice, where the High Court made a declaration that the Justice Minister had interfered with the independence of the parole board. This is a clear example of how the Justice Minister has no respect for constitutional values that are deep rooted in this society, namely the doctrine of the separation of powers and Dicey’s Rule of Law. Dean stated in reply to the question, “It is not about whether the parole board is fit for purpose for those maintaining innocence, the question is whether the Secretary of State for Justice is fit for purpose.” Dean exclaimed that although we are not where we would ideally like to be with the parole board and how it effects those who maintain innocence, improvements have been made and the parole system is better than it used to be, in that the likes of HORIZON and KAIZEN are now offered as offending behaviour courses, where one will not have to discuss the index offence. Ultimately however, the problems of the system seem to always fall back into the Justice Minister’s hands, and problems with parole are the same. When one is recommended for open conditions by the parole board, the Secretary of State inevitably has the final decision, which in a case we worked on recently was turned on us negatively. Dean spoke at length about the troubles with progressing those who are category A, and the issues with the category A team in that they essentially penalise those who maintain innocence. Dean also discussed the major cuts on probation and the effect that this has had on the parole process itself, and moreover discussing that HMPPS in its entirety completely misunderstand maintaining innocence. Often it is naturally assumed that maintaining innocence equates to risk, but it has been evidenced that maintaining innocence is often a protective factor. It was also mentioned that despite the slight dip in release rates post-Worboys, release rates have in fact gone up, and the number of oral hearing have rocketed, given the rulings in Osborn, Booth and Reilly. Only today did we at Swain and Co get a release decision for someone maintaining innocence. On a final note, Dean mentioned the cost of keeping people incarcerated… £40,000-£60,000 per year, and £70,000 for those in the high secure estate. Thus, he detailed how necessary it was to progress those in prison to be able to have their risk managed in the community, and moreover the importance of progressing prisoners maintaining innocence. Following on from Dean, Ruth Tully, a forensic psychologist of Tully Forensic Psychology, discussed the linked with psychology and progressing prisoners maintaining innocence. Ruth is an independent psychologist who often creates psychological reports of offenders who go in front of the parole board, at the instruction of solicitors representing them. An independent psychological assessment is an assessment by a psychologist who is independent of the system that detains them, and an assessment which is conducted by those who will present their truthful professional opinion of the offender. Ruth depicted an often-common situation in which a prisoner may have had a very bad experience of prison psychology, and how that will often affect their engagement with psychology in general. Ruth clearly stated that the relationship between denial and increased risk is objectively unclear, and that denial doesn’t necessarily increase risk - the research is inconclusive overall. Ruth also spoke at length at about enabling a good rapport with offenders to be able to complete a full assessment of them, and this involves progressing those who maintain innocence, who often do not want to discuss the index offence they maintain they have never committed. Psychology often involves discussing the index offence, but an understanding of their stance and their view that they have never been involved in that, will improve the quality of report writing. Offending behaviour courses are often ‘sold’ as being the only way to reduce risk in many prisons, however, Ruth discussed that offending behaviour work is not the only pathway to progression and thus a reduced risk of serious harm. The event then heard from Chris, who was released 6 weeks ago after spending 20 years incarcerated for Joint Enterprise. The injustice of Joint Enterprise is well known, from the old case of Derek Bentley to the most recent case of Laura Mitchell and is brought to public knowledge and fought against daily by the wonderful grassroots campaign that is JENGbA.[/i] Read more here: https://www.swainandco.com/prison-law/progressing-prisoners-maintaining-innocence-annual-lecture-10th-december-2018-at-the-house-of-commons/
He uses a number of studies he has on denial/maintaining innocence, age on risk and the limitations to assessment such as the Risk Matrix 2000.
Dean is passionate about miscarriages of Justice and is committed to assisting prisoners who maintain their innocence. He writes articles for organisations assisting those whom maintain their innocence. Dean was asked to attend the Innocence Network UK 2011 annual meeting entitled, Investigating a claim of Innocence: Going beyond a desktop review and be a guest speaker. https://www.swainandco.com/team-view/dean-kingham/
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Nicholas on February 06, 2020, 03:37:06 PM
Jeremy Bamber lawyers challenge CPS over withheld evidence By Eric Allison and Simon Hattenstone
Lawyers representing Jeremy Bamber, who is serving a whole life sentence for killing his adoptive parents, sister and her six-year-old twin boys in 1985, have launched a high court challenge to the Crown Prosecution Service for its failure to disclose evidence they say would undermine the safety of his conviction. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/dec/08/jeremy-bamber-lawyers-challenge-cps-over-withheld-evidence
In January 2018 the Independent published an article on the Worboys case, the header read,
John Worboys: Black cab rapist's victims to launch own legal challenge to stop release after Government drops efforts
‘Matt Stanbury, a barrister specialising in prison law, cautioned that it will be difficult for any party to bring a judicial review without being able to see the reasons for the Parole Board’s decision.
Under current rules, which could be changed, it is not able to disclose any of the evidence used or testimony from a hearing where Worboys was interviewed.
“The worry on the part of those who appear at parole hearings regularly is that the intense scrutiny of this decision will make the board more cautious in the future, and that it may be less willing to release people who might otherwise have been given a chance,” https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/john-worboys-latest-updates-prison-release-black-cab-rapists-judicial-review-legal-challenge-victims-a8168656.html
but in March 2018 the Judicial Review succeeded
‘JUDICIAL REVIEW CHALLENGE TO WORBOYS RELEASE SUCCEEDS – CASE REMITTED TO PAROLE BOARD FOR FRESH DECISION. PAROLE BOARD RULE 25 ULTRA VIRES https://www.matrixlaw.co.uk/judgments/judicial-review-challenge-worboys-release-succeeds-case-remitted-parole-board-fresh-decision-parole-board-rule-25-ultra-vires/
Britain’s most notorious prisoner launches legal challenge to have parole hearing held in public
The challenge is being brought by the same legal team, Dean Kingham together with barrister Matt Stanbury of Garden Court North, behind the recent challenge over concerns about the independence of the Criminal Cases Review Commission (the Gary Warner case – as reported on the Justice Gap here).
The government counters that open justice requirements are met by the possibility for a parole board to allow for observers and for a summary of a decision to be published. That falls ‘significantly short’ of what would be expected under the principles of open justice, the prisoner’s lawyers argue.
A post-Worboys government review considered the possibility of some hearings being heard in public. It concluded that concerns over public access could ‘compromise the confidence of witnesses and panel members to be as open and candid as a closed hearing allows’ and that safety and privacy concerns might ‘undermine the ability of prisoners to resettle successfully and safely’. https://www.thejusticegap.com/britains-most-notorious-prisoner-launches-legal-challenge-to-have-parole-hearing-held-in-public/
It appears, unlike in the Worboys case, no barrister - or any other ‘expert’ has been prepared to stick their head above the parapet to give their opinion on the likely outcome of Bamber’s JR
Wonder why?
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Nicholas on February 06, 2020, 04:57:28 PM
According to Jon Robins who runs the justice gap, in 2012 he stated,
“The Bamber case has attracted a lot of hours of lawyers’ time and a great deal of that time will be given pro bono. Bamber is the exception to the rule, why? Because he is appealing.
Bamber has been represented by a phalanx of impressive lawyers, from Geoffrey Rivlin QC to Michael Turner QC. Most recently he was represented by Simon McKay, a solicitor advocate, pro bono.
Ever since his first trial he has had followers in two camps: the first, intrigued by him due to his charm and looks, the second because his case is factually and legally interesting. https://www.thejusticegap.com/wrongly-accused-losing-your-appeal/
Jon Robins also published the following,
Bamber campaign calls on ITV to pull ‘dangerous drama’ According to Bamber’s lawyer, Mark Newby said that they were concerned that that the drama would ‘place a fictional narrative in the public domain at a time when we have a looming High Court Challenge against the CPS’.
‘But more importantly we’re looking after that to get this case back before the Court of Appeal. Programmes such as this don’t just get aired and disappear they stay in the mind of the public and are available online. The actor playing Bamber in interviews refers to creating him from his imagination yet there is a danger the general public will assimilate the real Jeremy Bamber as being this actor.’ https://www.thejusticegap.com/bamber-campaign-calls-on-itv-to-pull-dangerous-drama/
In other words Mark Newby seems to be suggesting we ‘the general public’ don’t have the ability to separate fact from fiction.
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Nicholas on February 06, 2020, 10:04:25 PM
According to Jon Robins who runs the justice gap, in 2012 he stated,
“The Bamber case has attracted a lot of hours of lawyers’ time and a great deal of that time will be given pro bono. Bamber is the exception to the rule, why? Because he is appealing.
Bamber has been represented by a phalanx of impressive lawyers, from Geoffrey Rivlin QC to Michael Turner QC. Most recently he was represented by Simon McKay, a solicitor advocate, pro bono.
Ever since his first trial he has had followers in two camps: the first, intrigued by him due to his charm and looks, the second because his case is factually and legally interesting. https://www.thejusticegap.com/wrongly-accused-losing-your-appeal/
Jon Robins also published the following,
Notice how Jon Robins has chosen to leave out the infamous Giovanni di Stefano https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21969624 nor has he included how Bamber’s campaign first got off the ground - no mention of Mike Tesco ?
Bamber campaign calls on ITV to pull ‘dangerous drama’ According to Bamber’s lawyer, Mark Newby said that they were concerned that that the drama would ‘place a fictional narrative in the public domain at a time when we have a looming High Court Challenge against the CPS’.
‘But more importantly we’re looking after that to get this case back before the Court of Appeal. Programmes such as this don’t just get aired and disappear they stay in the mind of the public and are available online. The actor playing Bamber in interviews refers to creating him from his imagination yet there is a danger the general public will assimilate the real Jeremy Bamber as being this actor.’ https://www.thejusticegap.com/bamber-campaign-calls-on-itv-to-pull-dangerous-drama/
In other words Mark Newby seems to be suggesting we ‘the general public’ don’t have the ability to separate fact from fiction.
I have never found Bamber or indeed his case ‘appealing’
‘Factually and legally interesting’ it is not
There are more than ‘two camps’ and one of those includes the majority of the British public who believe Bamber guilty and a psychopath
But you won’t hear a lawyer talk about psychopathy and it’s rare when a journalist calls it like it is as Bob Woffinden did when he referred to Bamber as a psychopath - shame he didn’t recognise it in other cases
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Nicholas on February 07, 2020, 12:33:17 AM
According to Jon Robins who runs the justice gap, in 2012 he stated,
“The Bamber case has attracted a lot of hours of lawyers’ time and a great deal of that time will be given pro bono. Bamber is the exception to the rule, why? Because he is appealing.
Bamber has been represented by a phalanx of impressive lawyers, from Geoffrey Rivlin QC to Michael Turner QC. Most recently he was represented by Simon McKay, a solicitor advocate, pro bono.
Ever since his first trial he has had followers in two camps: the first, intrigued by him due to his charm and looks, the second because his case is factually and legally interesting. https://www.thejusticegap.com/wrongly-accused-losing-your-appeal/
Jon Robins also published the following,
Bamber campaign calls on ITV to pull ‘dangerous drama’ According to Bamber’s lawyer, Mark Newby said that they were concerned that that the drama would ‘place a fictional narrative in the public domain at a time when we have a looming High Court Challenge against the CPS’.
‘But more importantly we’re looking after that to get this case back before the Court of Appeal. Programmes such as this don’t just get aired and disappear they stay in the mind of the public and are available online. The actor playing Bamber in interviews refers to creating him from his imagination yet there is a danger the general public will assimilate the real Jeremy Bamber as being this actor.’ https://www.thejusticegap.com/bamber-campaign-calls-on-itv-to-pull-dangerous-drama/
In other words Mark Newby seems to be suggesting we ‘the general public’ don’t have the ability to separate fact from fiction.
As do Bamber’s years worth of BS; much - courtesy of those he’s ‘conned and groomed’ for these goodness knows how many years (Excluding all those who are of his ilk i.e. Giovanni Di Stefano)
It was Bamber (and his CT) directly or indirectly who put most of the ‘propaganda’ into the public arena in the first place
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Nicholas on February 07, 2020, 12:50:02 AM
Bamber campaign calls on ITV to pull ‘dangerous drama’ According to Bamber’s lawyer, Mark Newby said that they were concerned that that the drama would ‘place a fictional narrative in the public domain at a time when we have a looming High Court Challenge against the CPS’.
‘But more importantly we’re looking after that to get this case back before the Court of Appeal. Programmes such as this don’t just get aired and disappear they stay in the mind of the public and are available online. The actor playing Bamber in interviews refers to creating him from his imagination yet there is a danger the general public will assimilate the real Jeremy Bamber as being this actor.’ https://www.thejusticegap.com/bamber-campaign-calls-on-itv-to-pull-dangerous-drama/
In other words Mark Newby seems to be suggesting we ‘the general public’ don’t have the ability to separate fact from fiction.
Equally there’s a ‘danger’ of anyone, including Mark Newby creating in their own ‘imagination’ and assimilating ‘the real Jeremy Bamber’ as having been ‘wrongly convicted’ when he’s actually a consummate actor - as he was found to be at his original trial.
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Nicholas on February 13, 2020, 10:02:27 PM
Jeremy Bamber lawyers challenge CPS over withheld evidence By Eric Allison and Simon Hattenstone
Lawyers representing Jeremy Bamber, who is serving a whole life sentence for killing his adoptive parents, sister and her six-year-old twin boys in 1985, have launched a high court challenge to the Crown Prosecution Service for its failure to disclose evidence they say would undermine the safety of his conviction.
The statement of facts and grounds, lodged at the high court on Friday, maintains that the CPS has refused to follow directions made by the court of appeal in 2002 to disclose the sought-after material. It also accuses the CPS of rejecting a report by an eminent ballistics expert appointed by Bamber, without instructing its own expert to challenge the claims.
During the night of 6-7 August 1985, Nevill and June Bamber were shot and killed inside their Essex farmhouse, along with their adoptive daughter, Sheila Caffell, and Sheila’s six-year-old twin sons, Daniel and Nicholas Caffell. Bamber, then 24, had phoned the police to say Nevill had phoned him, saying his sister, Sheila, had “gone crazy and has the gun”.
Initially, police believed that Sheila, diagnosed with schizophrenia, had fired the shots then turned the gun on herself. But, on 10 August, after the police ended their examination of the crime scene, a relative of Nevill and June Bamber, David Boutflour, found a silencer in the gun cupboard of the farmhouse. It was later said to contain blood belonging to Sheila Caffell.
On 7 September 1985, Jeremy Bamber’s ex-girlfriend told police Bamber had discussed killing his family with her and that he was involved. On 29 September 1985, Bamber was charged with the murders.
The silencer featured heavily at the trial at Chelmsford crown court the following year with the prosecution contending it was attached to the rifle during the killings. If true, that would have made the rifle too long for Caffell to have shot herself. The trial judge, in his summing up, told the jury: “On the evidence of the silencer alone you may find Mr Bamber guilty.”
After the jury were sent out to reach a verdict, they returned and asked the judge for clarification on the silencer and blood evidence. The judge said it contained only the blood of Sheila Caffell. Seventeen minutes later, they returned and convicted Bamber by a 10 to two majority.
But a week before the trial, the head of biology at Huntingdon Forensic Science Laboratories wrote to Essex police in a letter seen by the Guardian last year, saying the blood on the silencer “could have come from Sheila Caffell or Robert Boutflour”, another relative. That letter was not disclosed to the defence.
Last year, the Guardian reported on a letter sent to Bamber’s lawyers from the then head of special crime at the CPS on this issue. It stated that while he did not believe there was evidence of a second silencer, if any emerged it “would significantly undermine the case against JB [Jeremy Bamber] and any material supporting such a possibility would plainly be material which casts doubt on the safety of the conviction.” https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/dec/08/jeremy-bamber-lawyers-challenge-cps-over-withheld-evidence
2010 Bambers letter to Mike Tesko re 2 sound moderators https://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=210.0
There’s mention of Aunt Agatha and Facebook too - that was around the time her and I communicated
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Nicholas on February 14, 2020, 11:16:18 AM
Equally there’s a ‘danger’ of anyone, including Mark Newby creating in their own ‘imagination’ and assimilating ‘the real Jeremy Bamber’ as having been ‘wrongly convicted’ when he’s actually a consummate actor - as he was found to be at his original trial.
MARK NEWBY JOINS THE NATIONAL COUNCIL OF THE LAW SOCIETY (Nov 2015)
“It was confirmed this afternoon that Mark Newby , Current President of Doncaster & District Law Society , has been elected to the National Council of the Law Society serving as one of the members of the Yorkshire Constituency .
Mark is delighted to have the honour to help represent Yorkshire Solicitors and hopes also to take a full opportunity to add to the Law Society’s thinking on the current issues facing the profession including importantly Legal Aid . https://doncasterlawsociety.com/2015/11/03/mark-newby-joins-the-national-council-of-the-law-society/
Andrew Isaacs @andrewisaacs Our new Law Society President in #doncasterisgreat is Mark Newby @MarkNewbyqsj He is a top bloke #excitingtimes. https://mobile.twitter.com/andrewisaacs/status/644132432883662848
... until he got involved with Bamber and his CT
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Nicholas on February 14, 2020, 04:31:53 PM
MARK NEWBY JOINS THE NATIONAL COUNCIL OF THE LAW SOCIETY (Nov 2015)
“It was confirmed this afternoon that Mark Newby , Current President of Doncaster & District Law Society , has been elected to the National Council of the Law Society serving as one of the members of the Yorkshire Constituency .
Mark is delighted to have the honour to help represent Yorkshire Solicitors and hopes also to take a full opportunity to add to the Law Society’s thinking on the current issues facing the profession including importantly Legal Aid . https://doncasterlawsociety.com/2015/11/03/mark-newby-joins-the-national-council-of-the-law-society/
Andrew Isaacs @andrewisaacs Our new Law Society President in #doncasterisgreat is Mark Newby @MarkNewbyqsj He is a top bloke #excitingtimes. https://mobile.twitter.com/andrewisaacs/status/644132432883662848
... until he got involved with Bamber and his CT
Mark Newby to Join Panel Debate on Wrongfully Accused and who is responsible for investigating miscarriages of justice - June 2012 On 27th June there will be a debate concerning the Wrongfully Accused and who should be responsible for investigating miscarriages of justice.
This follows on from a similar debate in London and the recent publication of Wrongly accused: Who is responsible for investigating miscarriages of justice?, part of the JusticeGap series. A number of Panelists will be present to lead the debate and the event is chaired by Pete Wetherby QC . There will be contributions from Panel Members
Eric Allison , the Guardian’s prison correspondent;
David Jessel , investigative journalist (Rough Justice, Trial & Error) and former commissioner at the CCRC;
Campbell Malone , defence lawyer who specialises in miscarriages of justice and chair of the Criminal Appeal Lawyers Association. Campbell was acclaimed for his role in the overturning of Stefan Kiszko’s life-sentence for murder, 17 years after his imprisonment for a crime it was later proven he could not have committed;
Robert Lizar , founder of Robert Lizar solicitors based in Moss Side, Manchester in 1978. Robert has a reputation for dealing with human rights and miscarriage of justice cases such as Robert Brown, freed when his conviction was quashed in 2002 after serving 25 years in prison; and
Mark Newby , Solicitor Advocate QualitySolicitors Jordans and Advisor to INUK with a strong track record of quashing convictions including the well reported cases of Sheikh, Joynson, Lawless and Fulton to name but a few
Full details can be accessed via the Garden Court North Chambers Website here
See also the link to Justice Gap here http://thejusticegap.com/News/wrongly-accused-debate-who-is-responsible-for-investigating-miscarriages-of-justice/ https://www.qualitysolicitors.com/jordans/news/2012/06/mark-newby-to-join-panel-debate-on-wrongfully-accused-and-who-is-responsible-for-investigating-miscarriages-of-justice
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Nicholas on February 15, 2020, 03:35:31 PM
Statement from Mark Newby, Solicitor representing Jeremy Bamber Jeremy Bamber: Judicial Review against the Crown Prosecution Service Posted on December 9, 2019 Today the Guardian Newspaper has published an article which confirms that on Friday 6th December Judicial Review Proceedings were issued against the Crown Prosecution Service over significant non-disclosure we can comment as follows: We have been engaged in an extensive dialogue with the Crown Prosecution Service for sometime as our investigation in conjunction with the team supporting this case has uncovered what appears to be significant evidence supporting the fact that there has been a miscarriage of justice. However in order that we can progress this case further essential further disclosure is required which has been set out to the Crown Prosecution Service in precise terms. It is disappointing that the CPS has chosen not to engage with that process and accordingly there is no alternative but to pursue that judicial review , particularly in circumstances where it appears that this may demonstrate that a misleading position was placed before the jury in relation to the forensic evidence . We do not propose to comment further upon the matter whist judicial review proceedings are underway. We are aware that this case gives rise to huge media interest, but we would recommend caution whilst proceedings are underway in view of the consequences to this litigation and any future appeal.
Jeremy Bamber @Bambertweets #WhiteHouseFarm Essex Police told #JeremyBamber it would be TOO COSTLY to disclose evidence between 2004-2007 Jeremy offered to pay Essex police for the work of disclosure. THEY REFUSED And they are STILL WITHHOLDING EVIDENCE! https://jeremy-bamber.co.uk/public-interest-immunity… http://chng.it/DBmX5SDs
🎀 Michelle Diskin Bates 🎀 @Michelle_Diskin And this is justice HOW? If this is acceptable then it’s acceptable to convict any of us without any accountability. That’s fascism! #NOTINMYNAME! https://mobile.twitter.com/Michelle_Diskin/status/1229021964888629249
Re: you should all know this? « Reply #1460 on: November 29, 2011, 11:40:PM » Copy of Email correspondence, between me and Essex police, about existence of more than one silencer, dated, 20th April 2004:-
RE: White House Farm murders Hide Details FROM: *****
TO: michael teskowski CC: Win Bernard Adam Hunt
Message flagged Tuesday, 20 April 2004, 8:28Message Body
Dear Mr Teskowski,
I apologise if there has been a misunderstanding or you didn't receive my email, but I was of the belief that I had previously provided you with a response to your interest about three different silencers.
The response was that the information you request is not for public consumption, hence the reason that I am unable on this occasion to provide you anymore detail. Those relevant parties such as families and legal teams involved in the case HAVE been provided all the necessary information.
I appreciate you have previously had affiliations with Jeremy Bamber and his defence team but you must likewise appreciate that in order to protect the interests of everyone, including Jeremy Bamber, we must follow certain rules and regulations before releasing any information into the public domain.
As I also previously stated, I have forwarded on all your emails to the senior investigating officer Det Supt Win Bernard and force solicitor Adam Hunt and I am sure that if there is anything else they are able to tell you they will.
Still waiting for Bamber and his supporters to disclose the CCRC’s statement of reasons along with his prison files, especially in relation to his security risks and his psychology
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: APRIL on February 16, 2020, 01:19:07 PM
Jeremy Bamber @Bambertweets #WhiteHouseFarm Essex Police told #JeremyBamber it would be TOO COSTLY to disclose evidence between 2004-2007 Jeremy offered to pay Essex police for the work of disclosure. THEY REFUSED And they are STILL WITHHOLDING EVIDENCE! https://jeremy-bamber.co.uk/public-interest-immunity… http://chng.it/DBmX5SDs
🎀 Michelle Diskin Bates 🎀 @Michelle_Diskin And this is justice HOW? If this is acceptable then it’s acceptable to convict any of us without any accountability. That’s fascism! #NOTINMYNAME! https://mobile.twitter.com/Michelle_Diskin/status/1229021964888629249
Still waiting for Bamber and his supporters to disclose the CCRC’s statement of reasons along with his prison files, especially in relation to his security risks and his psychology
This really doesn't balance with supporters demanding the Sheila was never on trial or guilty of anything othrr than being ill.
As aware as I am that there is more insanity in the world of psychiatrists than in "our" world -according to a psychiatrist!!!- there will be a discrepancy of opinion between them, but the view of one, whose name I never asked!!!!!, is that "That young man is a fantasist, an inveterate liar, a psychopath, and undoubtedly guilty". However, I accept that there are those for whom his undisputed charisma means he's innocent.
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Nicholas on February 18, 2020, 04:40:14 PM
Supreme Court’s judgment in Nunn a “disaster” that reinforced difficulties getting exhibits, says Mark Newby https://mobile.twitter.com/C4CrimAppeals/status/964528097327566848
Mark Newby wants to go back to where it all began if he wants to truly understand how and why genuine victims aren’t being recognised by the state.
Before delivering the above speech and feeding into the ideologies of all those who were in attendance at the meeting, he should look at those convictions that have been overturned on technicalities, recognise the con artists and wolves in sheep’s clothing and look at how their cases have changed the criminal justice system and indeed legislation.
‘the fundamental problem’ with all those individuals who choose to never admit to their ‘mistakes is that’ they are ‘in a downward spiral’
‘organisations that cannot admit fault in the end will become failing organisations. The easiest answer is to brush it under the carpet or find an excuse for why things went wrong.’
Comment on the Kevin Nunn Disclosure Supreme Court Ruling - Wednesday, 9 July 2014
‘The Supreme Court ruled upon the Kevin Nunn case recently when the judges decided prisoners should not retain the same rights concerning disclosure of the evidence as they had pre-trial. Once an individual is convicted they cannot simply request access to documents or forensic samples as they could, had such a request been submitted pre-trial.
This stance by the Supreme Court judges is puzzling me. What they are saying is the Criminal Cases Review Commission (CCRC) can be trusted to request any document or forensic sample to be re-tested and re-examined as they have what is known as ‘Section 17 Powers,’ (S.17) to request disclosure of everything should they choose to do so.
At one level this statement is 100% correct, but the Supreme Court judges are well aware of what the reality is. The CCRC will not deploy their powers under S.17 in 99% of the applications made to them for further investigations. They have so many requests for help in re-investigation of possible miscarriages of justice that a case workers sifting process can take many years to be completed and the person in jail and contesting their conviction has almost no opportunity to search for ‘fresh evidence’ capable of casting real doubt about the safety of their conviction.
The CCRC require the applicant to submit compelling fresh evidence before deploying their S.17 powers, the classic circular argument ‘I can only submit fresh evidence if I can obtain new material from the police/CPS that has not been disclosed to me previously.’ The police and CPS won’t accept my requests for fresh material to be made available to me unless I present a compelling argument to the CCRC first.
Innocent people will have no insight into the circumstances surrounding the crime they are convicted of. Therefore, they won’t have any idea about what areas of the evidence it was that police used against them which should be open to questioning its validity. An innocent person will know nothing more than the fact they didn’t do it.
When asked at his 1986 murder trial, are you guilty - “That’s what you’ve got to try to establish”
In my own case I’ve had to suggest specific reasons why the silencer evidence was wrong. I also had to set out how I believe the silencer evidence was falsified using snippets of information gleaned from random documents. As more and more material evidence was disclosed to me during the last 28 years (particularly since the 2002 appeal) my arguments got closer and closer to the truth. Multiple police enquiries and 16 years with the CCRC as well as two appeal hearings and a trial, along with tens of thousands of hours hard work reviewing three and a half million pages of case documents and it is only now we know what Essex police concealed about the silencer.
Since 2002 we have had to fight tooth and nail to obtain two pieces of information from police to be disclosed under S.17 by the CCRC and even now the CCRC are unable to locate original documents using their powers under S.17 because they have been ‘mislaid’ by Essex police.
Discovering what the actual truth was has taught me a very valuable lesson. Most of all I have never doubted that justice would prevail no matter what: you never know what’s around the next corner. I feel for Kevin Nunn and all of his supporter’s but the truth will find a way to reveal itself large and so long as you stay strong on your path when a corner comes along the trick is to ensure that you look around every one because around that next bend may be the answer you’ve been looking for.
Do I think disclosure should be automatic on request? No, I don’t, but the hurdle that needs to be jumped should be set very low. In my case it shouldn’t have been necessary for me to wait almost 30 years for the true facts to be discovered by piecing together documents—that seems a long time.
“Wrong doing can only be avoided if those who are not wronged feel the same indignation at it as those who are.” Solon, (c. 638 – 559 BCE)
Jeremy.
Posted by Jeremy Bamber at Wednesday, July 09, 2014 https://jeremybamber.blogspot.com/2014/07/comment-on-kevin-nunn-disclosure.html
Statement from Kevin Nunn ”Following the Supreme Court's decision not to force Suffolk Constabulary to release key exhibits for new forensic testing, lifer Kevin Nunn told Inside Justice: "The Supreme Court ruling is a bitter disappointment to my family, supporters and myself in the long struggle to prove my innocence. We didn't ask for anything special but just a level playing field for access to forensic samples that if tested with improvements in forensic methods, had a very realistic chance of providing the fresh evidence required in any future appeal process. This was a missed opportunity for the court to impart some common sense and wisdom particularly towards the retained spermatozoa sample that was given such prominence by the prosecution during the original trial . This irrational Supreme Court ruling will sadly help conceal the truth in this and many other similar miscarriage cases." Kevin Nunn
Written 26th June 2014
(without access to Supreme Court Judgement although given in on 18 th June 2014) https://www.insidejustice.co.uk/news/statement-from-kevin-nunn/25
Kevin Nunn ruling: a new duty on the CCRC by Jon Robins for The Justice Gap Excerpts: “The defence lawyer James Saunders said that the judgement reversed a position that the CCRC had taken ‘many times when refusing to carry out new scientific tests on the ground that they are speculative’. ‘The CCRC has historically taken the view that until test results have been obtained, it does not have any fresh evidence that could support a reference to the Court of Appeal, as is its purpose under the Criminal Appeal Act 1995. Without the evidence CCRC has felt unable to take up the case. Catch 22.’
The solicitor also cited the case of Victor Nealon ‘whose CCRC applications failed because of this very issue and protracted his detention by 10 years’. ‘It is to be hoped that the CCRC and police embrace the Supreme Court reasoning,’ Saunders said. ‘It is inevitable that the number of miscarriages of justice at trial will increase as legal aid for defendants has been cut back and often will not cover a proper examination of the available scientific evidence at trial.’
James Saunders ‘The different and proactive position taken in the US has resulted in hundreds of miscarriages of justice being detected, including death row cases. In about half of those cases, DNA profiling identified the true killer or rapist, and apart from doing justice to the innocent, society has an overwhelming interest in protecting itself from the actual killers and rapists.’
According to Louise Shorter, a number of police forces have been refusing to co-operate with their investigations into alleged miscarriages since March (when the case was heard by the Supreme Court) in an anticipation of the ruling. ‘We call upon all police forces to study the Supreme Court’s judgment and to co-operate as advised with enquiries made by lawyers, investigative journalists and others,’ said Shorter.
‘The decision to refuse the claimant’s request for material in this case was not taken lightly,’ commented a spokesman for Suffolk Constabulary. ‘Today’s Supreme Court judgement supports the view that the correct decisions have been taken in this case.’
Louise Shorter ‘The Supreme Court judgement talks about there being finality and that police resources must be directed mostly at new police investigations, not investigating old cases. Whether it is lawyers acting for a prisoner, organisations like Inside Justice or investigative journalists, we are not asking for the police to reinvestigate the case. All we’re doing is asking them to release evidence. In the case of Kevin Nunn, it will have taken far more in terms of police resources to block requests than it would ever have done to have exhibits released and sent off to an independent accredited laboratory. The issue of resources is a red herring.’ https://www.thejusticegap.com/new-dity-ccrtc/
Andrew Green ‘The judgement in Nunn has at last appeared – available at http://www.supremecourt.uk/decided-cases/docs/UKSC_2012_0175_Judgment.pdf
The application for disclosure of police investigation records and access to exhibits for retesting has been refused. This outcome has been expected, but it’s not particularly helpful about providing guidance as to how we should go about obtaining disclosure or access for testing of exhibits when we need it.
Nunn doesn’t appear to have been a well managed case, and the lack of clarity and precision in the applications made for disclosure / access has led to a lack of clarity in the resulting judgement. At least the UKSC recognises the value of the contributions of helpful individuals and organisations in exposing miscarriages of justice (paragraphs 36, 41). INNOCENT would argue that the continuing obligation of the police and CPS to disclose ought to be different from that defined by statute and the UKSC. We will try to find out what we have to do in practice to progress our cases in which we need disclosure of material not disclosed before conviction, and access to material for re-testing, and provide guidance on this. https://innocent.org.uk/2016/03/07/kevin-nunn-and-the-mystery-of-the-withheld-sperm-sample/
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Nicholas on February 18, 2020, 11:16:24 PM
Statement from Kevin Nunn ”Following the Supreme Court's decision not to force Suffolk Constabulary to release key exhibits for new forensic testing, lifer Kevin Nunn told Inside Justice: "The Supreme Court ruling is a bitter disappointment to my family, supporters and myself in the long struggle to prove my innocence. We didn't ask for anything special but just a level playing field for access to forensic samples that if tested with improvements in forensic methods, had a very realistic chance of providing the fresh evidence required in any future appeal process. This was a missed opportunity for the court to impart some common sense and wisdom particularly towards the retained spermatozoa sample that was given such prominence by the prosecution during the original trial . This irrational Supreme Court ruling will sadly help conceal the truth in this and many other similar miscarriage cases." Kevin Nunn
There isn’t a Kevin Nunn thread & don’t see the point starting one but this link may be of interest https://insidetime.org/the-case-of-kevin-nunn-6/ especially the comments at the foot (including more rubbish from Noel O’Gara)
“I have read everything on the web about this case and watched the documentary twice, in my opinion Nunn murdered Dawn. Of course a paid person working on the defence might have a different view, as I believe Nunn’s elderly parents have spent a small fortune on this case. Sperm on the leg means very little in this case, especially if it does come from the gym, as many men get excited watching women exercising. Tom Conti’s support means nothing. If this conviction is overturned, Nunn would have played the odds and won, he has nothing to lose. All the evidence points to Nunn, and let’s not forget, the neighbour who knew him on sight, saw him carrying something heavy from Dawn’s house the night of the murder. What was he doing there when Dawn wanted rid of him. And yet we are being led to believe, the mad sex monster appears in a sleepy village, finds a victim, ejeculates on her leg, and disapears. Nunn is the murderer in this case.
Title: Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
Post by: Nicholas on May 06, 2020, 10:12:58 AM
The Criminal Cases Review Commission has failed by Bob Woffinden 30th November 2010
“The three remaining cases are those of Andrew Adams, which took the CCRC seven years to refer; the Victor Boreham and Michael and Malcolm Byrne case; and the Ian Lawless case, all of which were piloted to appeal by first-class lawyers (respectively, Ben Rose, Maslen Merchant and Mark Newby). By my reckoning, six cases are yet to be heard, including the Simon Hall case, https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/libertycentral/2010/nov/30/criminal-cases-review-commission-failed
Does anyone know what happened to Andrew Adams partner - Clare Brayson ?
“The girlfriend of cleared Andrew Adams yesterday told of her delight at his release. Speaking after the first night they have spent together in 15 years, Clare Brayson said: "It's just great. I always knew he was innocent but it just feels fantastic that we've finally proved it and he's free." Friends had forked out for a celebration party and a hotel room for the couple as Mr Adams, 36, left the Court of Appeal with just a small plastic bag of belongings and no cash. Some were shocked at his appearance. He looked pale and thin and the first sips of champagne went straight to his head . . . it was the first alcohol he had drunk since he was 21. https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/15-years-crime-not-commit-1480763
Back to jail by Nigel Green - Sunday Sun - April 2007
“A MAN who served 15 years in jail for a murder he did not commit has returned to the maximum-security prison where he was held. Andrew Adams was fulfilling his promise to visit another prisoner who is serving a life sentence, but who also claims he is innocent. Mr Adams, 37, admitted it felt strange finding himself back behind bars at Frankland Prison, near Durham, after spending so many years fighting to win his freedom. He said: “It brought back a lot of memories when I heard the door bang behind me. “I wasn’t scared or nervous. I knew I was a free man but I was still relieved when I finally walked out again.” Mr Adams was cleared by the Court of Appeal in January after judges ruled he was the victim of a miscarriage of justice. The 37-year-old, from Newcastle, had always denied killing retired teacher Jack Royal, who was shot dead at his home in Gateshead. While in Frankland Prison Mr Adams became friends with Andrew Davies. Davies, 36, was convicted of murdering Andrew Lansdown, 26, at a house in Killingworth, North Tyneside, in 2000. Mr Lansdown had been visiting a friend when two masked men burst into the house and shot him. Davies, from Annitsford, Northumberland, was accused of being the gunman’s accomplice. He was alleged to have been wearing a plastic mask like the one used in the film Scream. In the first case of its kind, Davies was convicted on the evidence of witnesses who claimed they recognised his voice. His supporters point to discrepancies in the case, including witnesses who said the man with the mask had white skin. Davies is of mixed race. Two years ago, he took his case to the Court of Appeal but lost. Now he hopes that his case will be taken up by the Criminal Cases Review Commission, CCRC, an independent body set up to investigate alleged miscarriages of justice. Mr Adams, who also lost his first Court of Appeal hearing, was only freed after the CCRC investigated his case. He now lives in Newcastle with his girlfriend Clare Brayson, who was a regular visitor during his time in jail. Mr Adams said: “It was strange. I’d been in there all those years, but I’ve never been in as a visitor before. “I had to go through very stringent security checks. I had to have my photo taken, I had to take my shoes off and I had to go through metal detectors and endless glass doors. “It took a long time and I now know what Clare and all my other friends had to go through every time they came to see me. “It was stressful, although most of the warders recognised me and were pretty friendly. Mr Adams, who spent his time in prison studying law and the way the CCRC work, passed on his knowledge to Davies in a one-hour meeting. Mr Adams added: “He was pleased to see me, and seeing me prove my innocence has given him a lot of hope.” https://www.pressreader.com/uk/sunday-sun-1304/20070401/281930243532135