Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: John on May 13, 2018, 09:08:13 PM
Title: Does havng friends in high places have any bearing on Operation Grange?
Post by: John on May 13, 2018, 09:08:13 PM
The parents of Madeleine McCann are known to have friends in high places. In fact, this reach now extends right into the heart of government as Kate McCann's long standing friend Esther McVey MP (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esther_McVey) is currently the Secretary of State for Work and Pensions. Indeed, McVey helped the family set up the Madeleine McCann Fund, becoming a founding trustee and very vocal spokesperson after its launch in May 2007. Esther and Kate first met in 1986, when they were both 18, at the North East Technical College in West Derby, where they were studying A-levels together.
McVey joined the board of Madeleine's Fund on 20 June 2007 and continued her role as spokesperson for the Fund until her resignation was announced in January 2008. This followed a dispute over the decision to use the Fund to pay the McCann's legal costs after they were made official suspects. McVey had previously insisted that the Fund's money would be focussed on finding Madeleine and leaving no stone unturned.
More recently, McVey resigned from the advisory board of the Samaritans after accusations of hypocrisy.
Under the Con-Dem government she worked as minister for disabled people, taking a leading role in ushering in the reviled bedroom tax and benefit sanctions blamed for driving desperate people to suicide.
Theresa May surprised many by promoting the Liverpool-born MP - who now represents Tatton - to the cabinet role. The move prompted an outpouring of anger from Merseyside MPs and members of the public - many of whom recalled Ms McVey’s actions during her last stint in the same department as Minister for Disabled People.
In the short time since the appointment was made public, more than 17,000 people have signed the petition calling for the former GMTV presenter to be sacked.
With friends like McVey in government, is it little wonder that the drip feed of funds to Scotland Yard continues with very little if anything coming back?
Title: Re: Does havng friends in high places have any bearing on Operation Grange?
Post by: Mr Gray on May 13, 2018, 09:16:34 PM
Surely SY have asked for funds.. That would seem to me because the have something to investigate...
Title: Re: Does havng friends in high places have any bearing on Operation Grange?
Post by: Robin Banks on May 13, 2018, 09:25:00 PM
Just read what Colin Sutton has to say about the case and why he refused to investigate it when asked.
Title: Re: Does havng friends in high places have any bearing on Operation Grange?
Post by: Mr Gray on May 13, 2018, 09:28:56 PM
No he isn't... Nowhere in that article does it say he was offered the job.. Or that he, refused... Read it, again and post the statements here that support your claim... You won't be able to
Title: Re: Does havng friends in high places have any bearing on Operation Grange?
Post by: Robin Banks on May 13, 2018, 09:55:06 PM
No he isn't... Nowhere in that article does it say he was offered the job.. Or that he, refused... Read it, again and post the statements here that support your claim... You won't be able to
A detective tipped to head up the Madeleine McCann probe was warned he would be ordered to prove she was abducted and ignore other leads.
Colin Sutton said a high-ranking friend in the Met called him and warned him not to lead the case when Scotland Yard announced it would get involved in 2010.
The source warned that he would be tasked with proving her parents Kate and Gerry were innocent and ignoring any alternatives to the abduction theory, he claims.
Speaking to Martin Brunt on Sky News, he said: 'I did receive a call from a very senior met police officer who knew me and said it wouldn’t be a good idea for me to head investigation on the basis that I wouldn’t be happy conducting an investigation being told where I could go and where I couldn’t go, the things I could investigate and the things I couldn’t.
Asked to clarify what he meant, he added: 'The Scotland Yard investigation was going to be very narrowly focused and that focus would be away from any suspicion of wrongdoing on the part of the McCanns or the tapas friends.'
The Tapas Nine refers to the McCann parents and the seven friends they were out to dinner with when Madeleine disappeared in 2007.
What does this mean then?
Title: Re: Does havng friends in high places have any bearing on Operation Grange?
Post by: Mr Gray on May 13, 2018, 09:57:42 PM
A detective tipped to head up the Madeleine McCann probe was warned he would be ordered to prove she was abducted and ignore other leads.
Colin Sutton said a high-ranking friend in the Met called him and warned him not to lead the case when Scotland Yard announced it would get involved in 2010.
The source warned that he would be tasked with proving her parents Kate and Gerry were innocent and ignoring any alternatives to the abduction theory, he claims.
Speaking to Martin Brunt on Sky News, he said: 'I did receive a call from a very senior met police officer who knew me and said it wouldn’t be a good idea for me to head investigation on the basis that I wouldn’t be happy conducting an investigation being told where I could go and where I couldn’t go, the things I could investigate and the things I couldn’t.
Asked to clarify what he meant, he added: 'The Scotland Yard investigation was going to be very narrowly focused and that focus would be away from any suspicion of wrongdoing on the part of the McCanns or the tapas friends.'
The Tapas Nine refers to the McCann parents and the seven friends they were out to dinner with when Madeleine disappeared in 2007.
What does this mean then?
so where does it say he was offerred the job..and where does it say he refused
Title: Re: Does havng friends in high places have any bearing on Operation Grange?
Post by: Mr Gray on May 13, 2018, 10:00:44 PM
A detective tipped to head up the Madeleine McCann probe was warned he would be ordered to prove she was abducted and ignore other leads.
Colin Sutton said a high-ranking friend in the Met called him and warned him not to lead the case when Scotland Yard announced it would get involved in 2010.
The source warned that he would be tasked with proving her parents Kate and Gerry were innocent and ignoring any alternatives to the abduction theory, he claims.
Speaking to Martin Brunt on Sky News, he said: 'I did receive a call from a very senior met police officer who knew me and said it wouldn’t be a good idea for me to head investigation on the basis that I wouldn’t be happy conducting an investigation being told where I could go and where I couldn’t go, the things I could investigate and the things I couldn’t.
Asked to clarify what he meant, he added: 'The Scotland Yard investigation was going to be very narrowly focused and that focus would be away from any suspicion of wrongdoing on the part of the McCanns or the tapas friends.'
The Tapas Nine refers to the McCann parents and the seven friends they were out to dinner with when Madeleine disappeared in 2007.
What does this mean then?
On Sunday 9th May 2010 the News of the World published a story which suggested that the Met was going to reinvestigate Madeleine’s disappearance and that I would be asked to lead it. This was news to me on both counts. Nobody from the Met had, or indeed ever did, make such a request of me. http://colinsutton.blogspot.co.uk/2017/05/madeleine-mccann-and-operation-grange_9.html
#he was never offered the job....according to sutton himself
Title: Re: Does havng friends in high places have any bearing on Operation Grange?
Post by: Robin Banks on May 13, 2018, 10:10:03 PM
sutton was not offered the job....he said so himself...i have provided a cite showing you are wrong
OK, I'm putting my hands in the air and saying Colin Sutton was not offered the Job and didn't decline the Job, but it's hard siphoning the truth from the Lies, especially when your photograph and statement are displayed on a respectable site.
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Title: Re: Does havng friends in high places have any bearing on Operation Grange?
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on May 13, 2018, 10:32:25 PM
OK, I'm putting my hands in the air and saying Colin Sutton was not offered the Job and didn't decline the Job, but it's hard siphoning the truth from the Lies, especially when your photograph and statement are displayed on a respectable site.
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He was advised if he was offered the job and may have been in the running to diss it as it was not going to allow a proper review /investigation ie only an abduction theory was on the table.
They had quite a following and many friends in high places...but they have dwindled. EMcV was quite right to resign imo.
Title: Re: Does havng friends in high places have any bearing on Operation Grange?
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on May 13, 2018, 10:49:24 PM
Cite for EMcV knowing they were misusing the fund please?
Yeah go read her resignation letter. She was insisting that money should not be used for legal fees by the parents, and only for searching for Madeleine.
Oh guess what the money was used for...
Title: Re: Does havng friends in high places have any bearing on Operation Grange?
Post by: faithlilly on May 13, 2018, 10:54:03 PM
Yeah go read her resignation letter. She was insisting that money should not be used for legal fees by the parents, and only for searching for Madeleine.
Oh guess what the money was used for...
You do wonder how many directors of the fund resigned due to the decisions taken by the other directors, especially after the appointment of the parents ?
Title: Re: Does havng friends in high places have any bearing on Operation Grange?
Post by: Brietta on May 13, 2018, 10:55:55 PM
Yeah go read her resignation letter. She was insisting that money should not be used for legal fees by the parents, and only for searching for Madeleine.
Oh guess what the money was used for...
Please C&P the relevant part of the resignation letter and provide a link ... thank you.
Title: Re: Does havng friends in high places have any bearing on Operation Grange?
Post by: Mr Gray on May 13, 2018, 10:56:37 PM
The parents of Madeleine McCann are known to have friends in high places. In fact, this reach now extends right into the heart of government as Kate McCann's long standing friend Esther McVey MP (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esther_McVey) is currently the Secretary of State for Work and Pensions. Indeed, McVey helped the family set up the Madeleine McCann Fund, becoming a founding trustee and very vocal spokesperson after its launch in May 2007. Esther and Kate first met in 1986, when they were both 18, at the North East Technical College in West Derby, where they were studying A-levels together.
McVey joined the board of Madeleine's Fund on 20 June 2007 and continued her role as spokesperson for the Fund until her resignation was announced in January 2008. This followed a dispute over the decision to use the Fund to pay the McCann's legal costs after they were made official suspects. McVey had previously insisted that the Fund's money would be focussed on finding Madeleine and leaving no stone unturned.
More recently, McVey resigned from the advisory board of the Samaritans after accusations of hypocrisy.
Under the Con-Dem government she worked as minister for disabled people, taking a leading role in ushering in the reviled bedroom tax and benefit sanctions blamed for driving desperate people to suicide.
Theresa May surprised many by promoting the Liverpool-born MP - who now represents Tatton - to the cabinet role. The move prompted an outpouring of anger from Merseyside MPs and members of the public - many of whom recalled Ms McVey’s actions during her last stint in the same department as Minister for Disabled People.
In the short time since the appointment was made public, more than 17,000 people have signed the petition calling for the former GMTV presenter to be sacked.
With friends like McVey in government, is it little wonder that the drip feed of funds to Scotland Yard continues with very little if anything coming back?
Well John? show BRI The letter...
Title: Re: Does havng friends in high places have any bearing on Operation Grange?
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on May 13, 2018, 11:09:37 PM
Yeah go read her resignation letter. She was insisting that money should not be used for legal fees by the parents, and only for searching for Madeleine.
Oh guess what the money was used for...
Link please.
Title: Re: Does havng friends in high places have any bearing on Operation Grange?
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on May 13, 2018, 11:11:42 PM
McVey joined the board of Madeleine's Fund on 20 June 2007 and continued her role as spokesperson for the Fund until her resignation was announced in January 2008. This followed a dispute over the decision to use the Fund to pay the McCann's legal costs after they were made official suspects. McVey had previously insisted that the Fund's money would be focussed on finding Madeleine and leaving no stone unturned.
John, IMO, the wording of your post makes it sound as if the reason for resigning was over a dispute related to the potential use of the Fund for their legal expenses.
From the clip you posted, "... We stress that Gerry and Kate have not asked for those costs to be paid..." .
From what I can gather, the matter was raised as an item on the agenda, and the decision was to set up a separate fund to keep donations for both purposes separate.
I therefore don't see where you appear to have got the idea that she resigned due to a "dispute"...
The fact that she was appointed Secretary of State for Work and Pensions on 8 January 2018 might have meant that she wanted to shed other responsibilities to concentrate on her new job. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esther_McVey
Title: Re: Does havng friends in high places have any bearing on Operation Grange?
Post by: Mr Gray on May 15, 2018, 08:38:53 AM
Like a lot of so called facts used to condemn the mccanns when looked at are not actually true
Title: Re: Does havng friends in high places have any bearing on Operation Grange?
Post by: ShiningInLuz on May 15, 2018, 06:59:09 PM
John, IMO, the wording of your post makes it sound as if the reason for resigning was over a dispute related to the potential use of the Fund for their legal expenses.
From the clip you posted, "... We stress that Gerry and Kate have not asked for those costs to be paid..." .
From what I can gather, the matter was raised as an item on the agenda, and the decision was to set up a separate fund to keep donations for both purposes separate.
I therefore don't see where you appear to have got the idea that she resigned due to a "dispute"...
The fact that she was appointed Secretary of State for Work and Pensions on 8 January 2018 might have meant that she wanted to shed other responsibilities to concentrate on her new job. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esther_McVey
Did they have a separate fund for donations to their legal expenses?
Title: Re: Does havng friends in high places have any bearing on Operation Grange?
Post by: Carana on May 15, 2018, 08:11:29 PM
Did they have a separate fund for donations to their legal expenses?
I think McVey was referring to their legal defense costs as it was back in Jan 08.
Legal costs funding
The trustees of Madeleine's Fund announced in September that the fund would not be used to pay the McCanns' legal costs.[50] Initially, the McCanns considered setting up a separate appeal fund for legal expenses.[51] However, Richard Branson created a fund for the McCann's legal expenses, including those of their current advisor, Michael Caplan QC, a solicitor and partner in the London firm of Kingsley Napley.[52] Stephen Winyard came out in December as having contributed £100,000 to the McCanns' defence fund, which paid for DNA tests carried out on the Renault Scénic hire car used by the McCanns.[53] He also revealed Brian Kennedy as another donor.[53] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reactions_to_the_disappearance_of_Madeleine_McCann#Legal_costs_funding
Title: Re: Does havng friends in high places have any bearing on Operation Grange?
Post by: ShiningInLuz on May 15, 2018, 08:53:06 PM
I think McVey was referring to their legal defense costs as it was back in Jan 08.
Legal costs funding
The trustees of Madeleine's Fund announced in September that the fund would not be used to pay the McCanns' legal costs.[50] Initially, the McCanns considered setting up a separate appeal fund for legal expenses.[51] However, Richard Branson created a fund for the McCann's legal expenses, including those of their current advisor, Michael Caplan QC, a solicitor and partner in the London firm of Kingsley Napley.[52] Stephen Winyard came out in December as having contributed £100,000 to the McCanns' defence fund, which paid for DNA tests carried out on the Renault Scénic hire car used by the McCanns.[53] He also revealed Brian Kennedy as another donor.[53] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reactions_to_the_disappearance_of_Madeleine_McCann#Legal_costs_funding
Many thanks *&(+(+
Title: Re: Does havng friends in high places have any bearing on Operation Grange?
Post by: Brietta on May 16, 2018, 08:51:59 AM
Not really so much having friends in high places impacting on Operation Grange I think it now remains to be seen how having a friend in a high place http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2784.msg462279#msg462279 might impact on what comes out of Portugal.
Snip Neves is known to be friends with Goncalo Amaral, the Portuguese detective who led the McCann investigation before he was abruptly removed from the case in October, 2007. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Giving testimony during the 2013 libel trial, Neves confirmed he and Amaral were friends as well as colleagues. https://www.9news.com.au/world/2018/05/16/15/36/police-chief-with-madeleine-mccann-case-history-new-top-cop-in-portugal
Title: Re: Does havng friends in high places have any bearing on Operation Grange?
Post by: Sunny on July 07, 2018, 07:23:04 AM
I see Ester McVey has just had to say sorry for being somewhat economical with the truth and to parliament no less.
It would be helpful if you would provide a cite for Esther McVey fearing her reputation would be tarnished by association with the Fund, yours in anticipation.
Title: Re: Does havng friends in high places have any bearing on Operation Grange?
Post by: Alice Purjorick on July 07, 2018, 05:37:38 PM
I think McVey was referring to their legal defense costs as it was back in Jan 08.
Legal costs funding
The trustees of Madeleine's Fund announced in September that the fund would not be used to pay the McCanns' legal costs.[50] Initially, the McCanns considered setting up a separate appeal fund for legal expenses.[51] However, Richard Branson created a fund for the McCann's legal expenses, including those of their current advisor, Michael Caplan QC, a solicitor and partner in the London firm of Kingsley Napley.[52] Stephen Winyard came out in December as having contributed £100,000 to the McCanns' defence fund, which paid for DNA tests carried out on the Renault Scénic hire car used by the McCanns.[53] He also revealed Brian Kennedy as another donor.[53] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reactions_to_the_disappearance_of_Madeleine_McCann#Legal_costs_funding
An interesting choice of words.
Title: Re: Does havng friends in high places have any bearing on Operation Grange?
Post by: jassi on July 07, 2018, 06:01:25 PM
It would be helpful if you would provide a cite for Esther McVey fearing her reputation would be tarnished by association with the Fund, yours in anticipation.
Personally I don't see that it would be particularly helpful at all.
Title: Re: Does havng friends in high places have any bearing on Operation Grange?
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on July 07, 2018, 06:40:22 PM
As asked for by VS "It would be helpful if you would provide a cite for Esther McVey fearing her reputation would be tarnished by association with the Fund, yours in anticipation."
Title: Re: Does havng friends in high places have any bearing on Operation Grange?
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on July 21, 2018, 06:17:34 PM
I am not even shocked at this. This expected behaviour from the good and great among us is all to common.
misleading eh? well expert or what. I think it would be fair to say she is not well liked at all by many in her party and beyond. May is desperate.
The McCanns have managed to keep themselves out of the public eye this past while (which is great) is this because they no longer need the public love and support to find Maddie? Or is it because more and more people were asking 'awkward' questions?
Title: Re: Does havng friends in high places have any bearing on Operation Grange?
Post by: faithlilly on July 21, 2018, 06:24:26 PM
I am not even shocked at this. This expected behaviour from the good and great among us is all to common.
misleading eh? well expert or what. I think it would be fair to say she is not well liked at all by many in her party and beyond. May is desperate.
The McCanns have managed to keep themselves out of the public eye this past while (which is great) is this because they no longer need the public love and support to find Maddie? Or is it because more and more people were asking 'awkward' questions?
Of course not ! It’s because OG have asked them to 8)-)))
Title: Re: Does havng friends in high places have any bearing on Operation Grange?
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on July 21, 2018, 06:31:34 PM
Of course not ! It’s because OG have asked them to 8)-)))
Ahhhh right....But Didn't the PJ ask them also,way back in the day?
aw nevermind lol Do you think the OG team have had pressure placed on them by anyone, namely the friends in high places?
I just wonder if EMcV can handle the questions about her robbing the disabled kitty to put into her friends 'investigation' kitty £ 11 million for Maddie + nothing for some sick kids seeking benefits. Oh what a sensation that will be when More Money is requested.
Title: Re: Does havng friends in high places have any bearing on Operation Grange?
Post by: faithlilly on July 21, 2018, 06:39:33 PM
Ahhhh right....But Didn't the PJ ask them also,way back in the day?
aw nevermind lol Do you think the OG team have had pressure placed on them by anyone, namely the friends in high places?
I just wonder if EMcV can handle the questions about her robbing the disabled kitty to put into her friends 'investigation' kitty £ 11 million for Maddie + nothing for some sick kids seeking benefits. Oh what a sensation that will be when More Money is requested.
Theresa May never did seem to be a huge fan of the McCanns and her tolerance I’m sure declined after, we are told, Cameron was threatened that unflattering stories about her would be put on the front of the Sun for a week if the review wasn’t granted. That she, via the HO, is still funding the investigation IMO bodes well for justice if not the McCanns.
Title: Re: Does havng friends in high places have any bearing on Operation Grange?
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on July 21, 2018, 07:28:28 PM
Theresa May never did seem to be a huge fan of the McCanns and her tolerance I’m sure declined after, we are told, Cameron was threatened that unflattering stories about her would be put on the front of the Sun for a week if the review wasn’t granted. That she, via the HO, is still funding the investigation IMO bodes well for justice if not the McCanns.
@)(++(* you do make me laugh.
Title: Re: Does havng friends in high places have any bearing on Operation Grange?
Post by: faithlilly on July 21, 2018, 07:44:53 PM
From Leveson.
12.52pm: Brooks says she did not take the McCann issue up with Downing Street.
Editor Dominic Mohan or Tom Newton-Dunn, the Sun's political editor, will have spoken to No 10 or the Home Office about reopening the Madeleine investigation after the Sun's campaign, she says.
Was there an ultimatum or threat to the home secretary?
"I'm pretty sure there will not have been a threat, but you will have to ask Dominic Mohan," she says.
Jay says he has been told that Brooks intervened personally with the prime minister and said the Sun would put Theresa May on the front page every day until the paper's demands were met.
Brooks says that is not true. "I did not say to the prime minister we would put Theresa May on the front page every day. If I'd had any conversations with No 10 directly they would not have been particularly about that," she adds.
12.55pm: Lord Justice Leveson intervenes. He asks whether Brooks was involved in a strategy to threaten No 10 in order to obtain a review of the Madeleine investigation.
"I was certainly part of a strategy to launch a campaign in order to get a review for the McCanns," Brooks says, disputing that it was a "threat".
Leveson: "Give me another word for it, would you?"
Brooks: "Persuade?"
Leveson appears unconvinced.
Can’t imagine Theresa May would be too impressed being ‘persuaded’ to fund a review she obviously had no intention of funding.
Title: Re: Does havng friends in high places have any bearing on Operation Grange?
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on July 21, 2018, 07:59:59 PM
12.52pm: Brooks says she did not take the McCann issue up with Downing Street.
Editor Dominic Mohan or Tom Newton-Dunn, the Sun's political editor, will have spoken to No 10 or the Home Office about reopening the Madeleine investigation after the Sun's campaign, she says.
Was there an ultimatum or threat to the home secretary?
"I'm pretty sure there will not have been a threat, but you will have to ask Dominic Mohan," she says.
Jay says he has been told that Brooks intervened personally with the prime minister and said the Sun would put Theresa May on the front page every day until the paper's demands were met.
Brooks says that is not true. "I did not say to the prime minister we would put Theresa May on the front page every day. If I'd had any conversations with No 10 directly they would not have been particularly about that," she adds.
12.55pm: Lord Justice Leveson intervenes. He asks whether Brooks was involved in a strategy to threaten No 10 in order to obtain a review of the Madeleine investigation.
"I was certainly part of a strategy to launch a campaign in order to get a review for the McCanns," Brooks says, disputing that it was a "threat".
Leveson: "Give me another word for it, would you?"
Brooks: "Persuade?"
Leveson appears unconvinced.
Can’t imagine Theresa May would be too impressed being ‘persuaded’ to fund a review she obviously had no intention of funding.
Is this your evidence that Theresa May is not a fan of the McCanns?