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You sound quite paranoid, like you are afraid to enter into a sensible adult debate with me about something which is obviously quite intrinsic to the case against Bruckner.  The police have never confirmed they have photos and that?s a fact whether you like it or not.  The only revelation that was new to me was that Stellander had been told this by Fulscher, that?s  why I raised it.   A top tip - if you don?t like me raising something on a forum dedicated to this case, then either debate it properly and provide evidence to back up your assertions or jist put me on ignore if you don?t want your beliefs challenged.
Thank you for analysing me. Send me the bill and I will pay you next pay day.
I came on the forum just to provide information. I was discussing things with faithfullyI  I was puzzled why this old information was important . It had been debated before but then realised it was someone wanted to debate it again. I was talking about public knowledge. You butted in changing it to official confirmation and demanding  a cite. So it  seems you are paranoid.  A little man with a big inferiority complex.



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So basically what we seem to have established is that an unnamed source has apparently told Fulscher that the German police have photos of Madeleine dead.  Stellander was thrown by this revelation and tried to come up with a theory that also implicated the McCanns but even he realised this was too far fetched.  He felt he was losing Fulscher  but then, hurrah! later Fulscher tells him he doesn?t think the Germans are going to prosecute CB and this allows him (and all his followers) to disregard the claim about the photos and assume the source was lying.

My question is - how would Fulscher know one way or the other whether the police actually had these photos unless another source confirmed they did not?  And if that had happened why did Fulscher not reassure Stellander that his source had confirmed the photos never existed in the first place?  No, it does not follow that because the Germans have not pressed charges that means there are definitely no photos.  It could mean there are photos, the provenance and genuiness of which cannot be proven.  A bit like that photo of Andrew and  Virginia Guiffre.  Andrew claims it is a fake.  No one has been able to prove it?s genuine beyond all shadow of a doubt as far as I?m aware.  And even if it were shown to be 100% genuine, what does it actually prove beyond the fact that Andrew and her were in the same room together fully clothed? No charges have ever been brought against Andrew on the strength of this one photo because there just isn?t enough evidence of any actual wrong-doing.
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Exactly Its a nonsense.
Not really.
Is it possible the Germans have photographs of a dead Madeleine but have chosen not to share this information with her parents?

CHAT GPT (because you won?t accept it from me):

Yes. It is entirely possible, and in fact we have direct evidence that German investigators deliberately withheld important evidence from Kate and Gerry rather than giving them the details.

In June 2020, prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters said he had ?concrete evidence? that Madeleine was dead but would not tell the McCanns what that evidence was because disclosure could jeopardise the investigation. He explicitly said that the parents did not know all of the German evidence.

There is an important distinction, though.

Why would they withhold photographs from the McCanns?

If the alleged photographs really existed, there are several very strong investigative reasons.

1. They could be evidence against Br?ckner that needed protecting.

If the Germans had photographs which potentially established Madeleine?s fate, revealing exactly what they showed could tell Br?ckner and his lawyers what the prosecution knew and, crucially, what it did not know.

Wolters made this principle explicit in 2020: revealing the evidence would jeopardise the investigation.

2. They might need to establish provenance before telling the parents.

Suppose investigators possessed photographs apparently showing Madeleine after her disappearance. They would first need to establish:

* that the child really was Madeleine;
* when and where the images were taken;
* who took them;
* how they came into Br?ckner?s possession;
* whether the files had been altered;
* and whether they could ultimately be used in court.

Until that was established, telling the McCanns ?we have photographs of Madeleine dead? could be premature and potentially devastating.

3. They may have wanted to protect witnesses or the source.

This becomes particularly interesting in light of Stellander?s account. If the information came from someone connected with Br?ckner or his circle, disclosing the precise evidence could potentially identify the source.

4. They may have needed the evidence to remain unknown to Br?ckner.

This is probably the most obvious reason.

If police tell a suspect:

We have photographs showing Madeleine dead.

the suspect immediately knows exactly what the prosecution needs to explain.

Whereas if they simply say:

We have evidence which makes us believe Madeleine is dead,

the suspect has no idea whether that evidence is photographs, witness testimony, telephone records, digital material, forensic evidence, or something else.

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And there is actually a remarkable piece of evidence supporting this principle

In 2021, CBS asked Wolters directly whether his evidence included photographs or video of Madeleine.

His answer was essentially: you can speculate, but he wasn?t allowed to say whether that was correct.

That?s quite revealing.

It doesn?t prove they had photographs. But it demonstrates that photographs/video were precisely the sort of evidential detail Wolters was deliberately refusing to disclose.

And in the same interview he said the German authorities were convinced Br?ckner murdered Madeleine because of the evidence they possessed, while acknowledging that they still needed more evidence to charge him.
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hi barrier,
Do you mean something like claiming they have photos of a dead Madeleine, but not letting the parents of the child know that she is dead.
Exactly Its a nonsense.
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My view is that there's a disconnect from what is claimed and no communication to either OG or the McCanns.
hi barrier,
Do you mean something like claiming they have photos of a dead Madeleine, but not letting the parents of the child know that she is dead.
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Something new perchance? I've no interest in the McCanns, the programme showed Wendeldt needed help which was known, Brunt doorstepped Leyland ,she took her life, Stallander got a mention which was the only surprise.
Surely by now you know how this works?  If there was anything new it would have been leaked to the press beforehand to get people to watch the programme.  I havent watched the whole of the second episode yet - did they give Stellander an opportunity to divulge his barmy theory?
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Obviously you cannot cannot control me. In my original post I pointed out that I knew your little game. You want to control people.You ask a question, and if someone replies you keep on demanding answers.
I was taking about something becoming public knowledge, but you changed it to official confirmation. When I  read  Bernt 's book, I knew about the photos. So it was public knowledge then.  Why did neither Bernt nor Friedrich not know something I knew. Obviously, because their meeting was before it was public knowledge. So why are you claiming that it some new revelation and debate it all again.
You sound quite paranoid, like you are afraid to enter into a sensible adult debate with me about something which is obviously quite intrinsic to the case against Bruckner.  The police have never confirmed they have photos and that?s a fact whether you like it or not.  The only revelation that was new to me was that Stellander had been told this by Fulscher, that?s  why I raised it.   A top tip - if you don?t like me raising something on a forum dedicated to this case, then either debate it properly and provide evidence to back up your assertions or jist put me on ignore if you don?t want your beliefs challenged.
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My view is that there's a disconnect from what is claimed and no communication to either OG or the McCanns.
You have no idea what has been communicated to either OG or the McCanns regarding the evidence that has not been put in the public domain.. 
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No one forced you.  I don't know what you were expecting?  A full and frank confession from Kate and Gerry perhaps?
Something new perchance? I've no interest in the McCanns, the programme showed Wendeldt needed help which was known, Brunt doorstepped Leyland ,she took her life, Stallander got a mention which was the only surprise.
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Christ on a bike - as if I have the power to control you.  All I asked for was a cite to confirm your claim that the German police had officially claimed they have photos of dead Madeleine.  You obviously can't provide one because obviously they have never done so and you basically misled the forum. So long and thanks for all the fish.
Obviously you cannot cannot control me. In my original post I pointed out that I knew your little game. You want to control people.You ask a question, and if someone replies you keep on demanding answers.
I was taking about something becoming public knowledge, but you changed it to official confirmation. When I  read  Bernt 's book, I knew about the photos. So it was public knowledge then.  Why did neither Bernt nor Friedrich not know something I knew. Obviously, because their meeting was before it was public knowledge. So why are you claiming that it some new revelation and debate it all again.
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