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Evening all...Only me here.
« on: May 20, 2012, 08:23:25 PM »
Well, i started out on the other board, because I genuinely wanted to know about the case, and why people would believe Mr Barber Jr to be innocent.  Oddly enough, having spent 3 weeks on a board that promotes his innocence , I now think he's guilty.  I probably won't post that much, but since I'm here reading your threads I thought it would be courteous to sign up and say hello.  So..."hello"! @)(++(*
« Last Edit: May 20, 2012, 11:35:19 PM by John »

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Re: Evening all.
« Reply #1 on: May 20, 2012, 08:28:30 PM »
Well, i started out on the other board, because I genuinely wanted to know about the case, and why people would believe Mr Barber Jr to be innocent.  Oddly enough, having spent 3 weeks on a board that promotes his innocence , I now think he's guilty.  I probably won't post that much, but since I'm here reading your threads I thought it would be courteous to sign up and say hello.  So..."hello"! @)(++(*

Hi there only me.   Good to have you on the forum. 

Tell me only me....I like to ask new posters why they came to that decision.  I have conversed with several dozen people just like you who were drawn into the whole innocent thing by semantics.   I know I was exactly the same and in the beginning I couldn't believe that a young farmers son with so much ahead of him could do such a stupid thing.  I soon came to learn that it was not all as it seemed at White House farm.

What made you change your mind?
« Last Edit: May 20, 2012, 11:33:15 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

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Re: Evening all.
« Reply #2 on: May 20, 2012, 08:39:58 PM »
hi there evening all or only me ?????    8((()*/

Nice to see a few new faces around the place.  What brings you to our little forum?

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Re: Evening all.
« Reply #3 on: May 20, 2012, 11:02:25 PM »

Hi there only me.   Good to have you on the forum.

Tell me only me....I like to ask new posters why they came to that decision.  I have conversed with several dozen people just like you who were drawn into the whole innocent thing by semantics.   I know I was exactly the same and in the beginning I couldn't believe that a young farmers son with so much ahead of him could do such a stupid thing.  I soon came to learn that it was not all as it seemed at White House farm.

What made you change your mind?

Well...I'm not sure that I did "change my mind" so to speak - I really didn't have an opinion one way or another when I first started looking into it (after the failed CCRC bid).  I was wasn't quite nine when the murders happened, so it's not like they were something that had featured heavily in my life.

My reason for believing he's guilty is really simple (probably too simple). 

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50. Following removal of the bags at the mortuary, Sheila Caffell's hands and forehead were swabbed. Extremely low traces of lead were detected when the swabs were examined. Such levels being consistent with the levels found from the handling of every day things around the house. These results were compared to hand swabs taken from volunteers at the laboratory who were required to load the magazine with eighteen rounds of ammunition. Significantly higher traces of lead were found than those recorded on the hands of Mrs Caffell. The scientist Mr Elliott gave evidence that if Sheila Caffell had loaded eighteen cartridges into a magazine he would have expected the hand swabs to have revealed appreciably higher deposits of lead.

51. Mrs Caffell's nightdress was bloodstained. When tested the blood was consistent with being her own blood. The garment was also examined for the presence of any firearm discharge residues or oil from the rifle. No such traces were found. The scientist gave evidence that there would be a strong chance of finding such residues or markings on the clothing of an individual who had fired a rifle twenty-five times.

I've read the arguments that explain the above - largely, that Sheila showered and changed after committing the murders, prior to killing herself.

This is obviously opinion and not fact, but I find the assertion that Sheila showered and then changed into a nightdress completely bizarre.  Why on earth would someone put night clothes on to commit suicide?  I find it far more likely that Sheila had prepared for bed and was subsequently accosted and shot.  In fact, why would she shower at all?  It's not like she was going to have to worry about a trial if her intention was to kill herself, she didn't have to hide the evidence. 

I've also read several comments on here that seem to suggest that Sheila would have to be drugged or in an otherwise altered state in order to stay still enough to be shot, and I have to dispute that.  The vast majority of people, when confronted by someone with a weapon while they are unarmed, will do exactly what they're told. 

That's about it really.  The explanations for the lack of physical evidence on Sheila seem implausible to me. 
       
 

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Re: Evening all.
« Reply #4 on: May 20, 2012, 11:17:18 PM »
You have summed it up quite nicely, what it amounts to is that if Sheila can be shown to be innocent of any crime then it had to be Jeremy by default. You will know that this point was spelt out to the jury at the trial.  Here is the Press cutting that refers.




In a nutshell, by introducing the fake telephone call from his father her had unwittingly set the scene such that it had to have been him or his sister who did the deed.  There was room for an accomplice though but Jeremy was still involved.

There is lots of other stuff which renders Sheila innocent of course such as the lack of prints and blood on the trigger, the lack of blood on her fingers for someone who had supposedly shot them-self twice, the fact that a small feeble Sheila was most unlikely to have tackled six footer Nevill and come off unscathed.  I could go on and on but the same result is always obtained and that is that there isn't the slightest evidence that Sheila fired or wielded any rifle that fateful morning.

Can I also refer you to this thread where the reasons why Sheila is innocent are gone into in detail.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=77.0
« Last Edit: May 20, 2012, 11:23:32 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline puglove

Re: Evening all...Only me here.
« Reply #5 on: May 21, 2012, 12:10:08 AM »
Sheila was a young, vulnerable woman faced with unnuterable horror. She'd gone to bed, was dragged from her bed (check out her arm) and was frozen with fear. The only blood on her nightie (proved) was her own, no spatter from close contact shots to Ralph and June. The wallpaper behind the boys was covered in blood, but none on Sheila? Not a single bruise on her body? One smudged print on the gun? No expirated blood on her face? JB had the opportunity to rid himself of evidence, he wasn't in the frame for days, but Sheila's body was as it was found. Not a single sign of any involvement. Any thoughts, Mike?
Jeremy Bamber kicked Mike Tesko in the fanny.

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Re: Evening all...Only me here.
« Reply #6 on: May 21, 2012, 12:22:43 AM »
Mike, you and I both know that the note in the bible was written by June, she wrote endlessly about God and the apostles and retribution for her bible class. I'd do this on your forum if Gladys hadn't spat his dummy out and banned me. We both also know that the tampon case that Ann found in the lounge contained half of a torn tampon, used for dodgy purposes, and it had nothing to do with Sheila. Any news on the evidence that would secure an appeal? Any reason that you would hold onto it?
Jeremy Bamber kicked Mike Tesko in the fanny.

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Re: Evening all...Only me here.
« Reply #7 on: May 21, 2012, 12:25:52 AM »
Mike, you and I both know that the note in the bible was written by June, she wrote endlessly about God and the apostles and retribution for her bible class. I'd do this on your forum if Gladys hadn't spat his dummy out and banned me. We both also know that the tampon case that Ann found in the lounge contained half of a torn tampon, used for dodgy purposes, and it had nothing to do with Sheila. Any news on the evidence that would secure an appeal? Any reason that you would hold onto it?

Evening Shona.   I see he is off on his rants again.  I don't know about you but I find his continued back tracking and reference to subjects which are so obviously invented to be rather bizarre.  You would probably get more intelligence out of one of your horses.
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

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Re: Evening all...Only me here.
« Reply #8 on: May 21, 2012, 12:29:03 AM »
Did I mention that Simon is having a town visit in a few weeks....  8)--))  8@??)(  8((()*/
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline puglove

Re: Evening all...Only me here.
« Reply #9 on: May 21, 2012, 12:37:13 AM »
Mike, you and I both know that the note in the bible was written by June, she wrote endlessly about God and the apostles and retribution for her bible class. I'd do this on your forum if Gladys hadn't spat his dummy out and banned me. We both also know that the tampon case that Ann found in the lounge contained half of a torn tampon, used for dodgy purposes, and it had nothing to do with Sheila. Any news on the evidence that would secure an appeal? Any reason that you would hold onto it?


Evening Shona.   I see he is off on his rants again.  I don't know about you but I find his continued back tracking and reference to subjects which are so obviously invented to be rather bizarre.  You would probably get more intelligence out of one of your horses.

You have to admire his tenacity, John. A very strange connection to jb. I honestly think that one day jb will fess up, at the risk of losing his cred, but gain 5 years of freedom. Because he surely did it.
Jeremy Bamber kicked Mike Tesko in the fanny.

Offline puglove

Re: Evening all...Only me here.
« Reply #10 on: May 21, 2012, 01:25:44 AM »
Jeremy Bamber robbed the caravan park, trashed it, stole the money, kept the money, couldn't give a shit that it broke Ralph's heart, .....SPENT THE MONEY......what a f..ker.
Jeremy Bamber kicked Mike Tesko in the fanny.

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Re: Evening all...Only me here.
« Reply #11 on: May 21, 2012, 02:40:47 AM »
Jeremy Bamber robbed the caravan park, trashed it, stole the money, kept the money, couldn't give a shit that it broke Ralph's heart, .....SPENT THE MONEY......what a f..ker.

And what's more nobody would have known about it to this day had Julie Mugford not done the right thing and gone to the police.  Julie may have taken some time to come to terms with what she was dealing with but she did come to her senses in the end.  That 30-odd page statement which she gave to DS Jones certainly opened the door for all to see what really was going on behind the scenes.  It is very noticeable that it was Jeremy disputing what she was saying rather than the other way around.  In investigative circles that speaks volumes as to who is telling the truth. 

Nite all...   
« Last Edit: May 21, 2012, 02:42:46 AM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

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Re: Evening all...Only me here.
« Reply #12 on: May 21, 2012, 11:07:34 AM »
Sheila was a young, vulnerable woman faced with unnuterable horror. She'd gone to bed, was dragged from her bed (check out her arm) and was frozen with fear. The only blood on her nightie (proved) was her own, no spatter from close contact shots to Ralph and June. The wallpaper behind the boys was covered in blood, but none on Sheila? Not a single bruise on her body? One smudged print on the gun? No expirated blood on her face? JB had the opportunity to rid himself of evidence, he wasn't in the frame for days, but Sheila's body was as it was found. Not a single sign of any involvement. Any thoughts, Mike?

I think I know the marks that you are referring to, but I'm not sure they are nail gouges.  I think it's blood from her wound that dripped onto her arm.

My personal thought is that the twins were killed first (much easier to shoot two shapes in a bed than to look a child in the eye before you kill him), Sheila reacted to the noise, came out of her bedroom and was then forced at gunpoint into her parents room.  The order of events from there are less clear to me, but the bottom line is that I don't think it was Sheila.  If it wasn't Sheila, as John has stated already, it has to be Jeremy.